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* Police State USA: TSA Gestapo Empire
« on: November 23, 2010, 10:20:24 PM »
It doesn`t take a bureaucrat long to create an empire



by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts ~ November 23, 2010

source: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22047

John Pistole, the FBI agent who took over the Transportation Security Administration on July 1told USA Today 16 days later that protecting trains and subways from terrorist attacks will be as high a priority for him as air travel.

It is difficult to imagine New Yorkers being porno-screened and sexually groped on crowed subway platforms or showing up an hour or two in advance for clearance for a 15 minute subway ride, but once bureaucrats get the bit in their teeth they take absurdity to its logical conclusion. Buses will be next, although it is even more difficult to imagine open air bus stops turned into security zones with screeners and gropers inspecting passengers before they board.

Will taxi passengers be next?  In those Muslim lands whose citizens the US government has been slaughtering for years, favorite weapons for retaliating against the Americans are car and truck bombs. How long before Pistole announces that the TSA Gestapo is setting up roadblocks on city streets, highways and interstates to check cars for bombs? That 15 minute trip to the grocery store then becomes an all day affair.

Indeed, it has already begun. Last September agents from Homeland Security, TSA, and the US Department of Transportation, assisted by the Douglas County Sheriff`s Office, conducted a counter-terrorism operation on busy Interstate 20 just west of Atlanta, Georgia. Designated VIPER (Visible Inter-mobile Prevention and Response), the operation required all trucks to stop to be screened for bombs. Federal agents used dogs, screening devices, and a large drive-through bomb detection machine. Imagine what the delays did to delivery schedules and truckers` bottom lines.

There are also news reports of federal trucks equipped with backscatter X-ray devices that secretly scan cars and pedestrians.

With such expensive counter-terrorism activities, both in terms of the hard-pressed taxpayers` money and civil liberties, one would think that bombs were going off all over America.  But, of course, they aren`t. There has not been a successful terrorist act since 9/11, and thousands of independent experts doubt the government`s explanation of that event.

Subsequent domestic terrorist events have turned out to be FBI sting operations in which FBI agents organize not-so-bright disaffected members of society and lead them into displaying interest in participating in a terrorist act.  Once the FBI agent, pretending to be a terrorist, succeeds in prompting all the right words to be said and captured on his hidden recorder, the `terrorists` are arrested and the `plot` exposed.

The very fact that the FBI has to orchestrate fake terrorism proves the absence of real terrorists.

If Americans were more thoughtful and less gullible, they might wonder why all the emphasis on transportation when there are so many soft targets.  Shopping centers, for example. If there were enough terrorists in America to justify the existence of Homeland Security, bombs would be going off round the clock in shopping malls in every state. The effect would be far more terrifying than blowing up an airliner.

Indeed, if terrorists want to attack air travelers, they never need to board an airplane.

All they need to do is to join the throngs of passengers waiting to go through the TSA scanners and set off their bombs. The TSA has conveniently assembled the targets.

The final proof that there are no terrorists is that not a single neoconservative or government official responsible for the Bush regime`s invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and the Obama regime`s slaughters of Pakistanis, Yemenis, and Somalians has been assassinated.  None of these Americans who are responsible for lies, deceptions, and invasions that have destroyed the lives of countless numbers of Muslims have any security protection. If Muslims were capable of pulling off 9/11, they are certainly capable of assassinating Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Libby, Condi Rice, Kristol, Bolton, Goldberg, and scores of others during the same hour of the same day.

I am not advocating that terrorists assassinate anyone. I am just making the point that if the US was as overrun with terrorists as empire-building bureaucrats pretend, we would definitely be experiencing dramatic terrorist acts. The argument is not believable that a government that was incapable of preventing 9/11 is so all-knowing that it can prevent assassination of unprotected neocons and shopping malls from being bombed.

If Al Qaeda was anything like the organization that the US government claims, it would not be focused on trivial targets such as passenger airliners. The organization, if it exists, would be focused on its real enemies. Try to imagine the propaganda value of terrorists wiping out the neoconservatives in one fell swoop, followed by an announcement that every member of the federal government down to the lowest GS, every member of the House and Senate, and every governor was next in line to be bumped off.

This would be real terrorism instead of the make-belief stuff associated with shoe bombs that don`t work, underwear bombs that independent experts say could not work, and bottled water and shampoo bombs that experts say cannot possibly be put together in airliner lavatories.

Think about it.  Would a terror organization capable of outwitting all 16 US intelligence agencies, all intelligence agencies of US allies including Israel`s Mossad, the National Security Council, NORAD, air traffic control, the Pentagon, and airport security four times in one hour put its unrivaled prestige at risk with improbable shoe bombs, shampoo bombs, and underwear bombs? 

After success in destroying the World Trade Center and blowing up part of the Pentagon, it is an extraordinary comedown to go after a mere airliner.  Would a person who gains fame by knocking out the world heavyweight boxing champion make himself a laughing stock by taking lunch money from school boys?

TSA is a far greater threat to Americans than are terrorists. Pistole has given the finger to US senators and representatives, state legislators, and the traveling public who have expressed their views that virtual strip searches and sexual molestation are too high a price to pay for `security.`  Indeed, the TSA with its Gestapo attitude and methods, is succeeding in making Americans more terrified of the TSA than they are of terrorists.

Make up your own mind.  What terrifies you the most.  Terrorists, who in all likelihood you will never encounter in your lifetime, or the TSA that you will encounter every time you fly and soon, according to Pistole, every time you take a train, a subway, or drive in a car or truck? 

Before making up your mind, consider this report from antiwar.com on November 19: `TSA officials say that anyone refusing both the full body scanners and the enhanced pat down procedures will be taken into custody. Once there the detainees will not only be barred from flying, but will be held indefinitely as suspected terrorists . . . One sheriff`s office said they were already preparing to handle a large number of detainees and plan to treat them as terror suspects.`

Who is cowing Americans into submission, terrorists or the TSA Gestapo?
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
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Re: * Police State USA: TSA Gestapo Empire
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2010, 11:55:10 AM »
Great article...I think this TSA thing has gotten me more pissed than anything that has happened this year (other than the Israelis shooting up that rescue ship)...I can picture those TSA pigs touching innocent people, and I get sick to my stomach...But unfortunately many Americans just take it as something 'for our safety'.

Paul Craig Roberts is excellent, and he has no personal axes to grind.

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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2010, 03:58:10 PM »
Great article...I think this TSA thing has gotten me more pissed than anything that has happened this year (other than the Israelis shooting up that rescue ship)...I can picture those TSA pigs touching innocent people, and I get sick to my stomach...But unfortunately many Americans just take it as something 'for our safety'.

Paul Craig Roberts is excellent, and he has no personal axes to grind.

The good times have slipped away, bit by bit. It is tragic how we have been sleep-walking into a George Orwell's '1984' police state. When we consider that the book was written a half a century ago ~ how could people have been so blind?
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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Re: * Police State USA: TSA Gestapo Empire
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2010, 09:14:37 PM »
It doesn`t take a bureaucrat long to create an empire

Yesterday a privatized-MIC friend was snorting about the anti-TSA protests & mentioned something about he was 'glad he hadn't become a Libertarian'.  The dumb rednecks always claim that our wars are for Freedom yet always support destruction of Constitutional freedom.  BTW he has bragged about his "work" being billed to gov't (taxpayers) at something like $1,000/hour.  No, he doesn't get that much but the Joo companies he works for do.  & one of those big-name companies is preparing to go public...perhaps a sign that the Joo profiteers are looking to cash out while the getting is good.

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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2010, 02:28:30 PM »
The good times have slipped away, bit by bit. It is tragic how we have been sleep-walking into a George Orwell's '1984' police state. When we consider that the book was written a half a century ago ~ how could people have been so blind?

Listen, do not get downhearted, or imagine that 'We, the People' could have done much about the current state of affairs...We cannot control what trillionaire bankers conjure up, no can we have much influence on their political puppets when an agenda is in place...Unfortunately, any kind of revolution or ousting of these scum at the present time will take an act of God.

What we can do is be active in a healthy and positive way on the local level through family, friends, neighbors and by holding local officials feet to the fire...The big situation, well, this whole thing has been plotted out by various groups, societies, 'think tanks' and the lot for over 100 years...This is also a spiritual warfare, and no matter what your beliefs are in the nature of God, at least you should be able to see this is a battle between darkness & the Light...

Sometimes, God or Nature, if you will, will let a certain cycle play out, because the Universe has a certain mechanics to it...When man goes against the mechanism or cycle of this 'nature' it creates what may be called a 'downward spiral' effect...Also, when a part of a physical body starts to rot, be it human or animal, sometimes, unless radical measures or surgery is performed, the rot will follow it's course until the whole carcass is gone.

Why did we let this happen?...Possibly because man, or men have an innate sense of optimism, and prefers to press toward the future, creating new technologies, cultures or instruments to explore and improve lives...As opposed to conjuring up dark spirits...We are busy building something positive, and we cannot peer into the machinations of those who use darkness as a cover, someplace far away from us.

But, on the converse, there is a certain percentage of our race that are sociopathic, power hungry and prefer the darkness as a cover for their revolt against God, Nature and the human race...These are a relatively small minority, but because of their obsessions, genetics or even the caste they are born into, they are well positioned to leverage darkness into what is a beautiful life...As I say, this is spiritual warfare, and a war against mental illness of these 'creatures'.

This is just the nature of the world.

This said, the growing 'police-security' complex, with it's trampling over individual rights, might work as a trigger to more open revolt, as now these alien creatures push their agenda down our throats, in our own house.


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Re: * Police State USA: TSA Gestapo Empire
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2010, 08:35:30 AM »
Great article...I think this TSA thing has gotten me more pissed than anything that has happened this year (other than the Israelis shooting up that rescue ship)...I can picture those TSA pigs touching innocent people, and I get sick to my stomach...But unfortunately many Americans just take it as something 'for our safety'.

Paul Craig Roberts is excellent, and he has no personal axes to grind.

The whole thing is just utterly diseased and meant to drum up mass hysteria.

As you say in your second reply:

This said, the growing 'police-security' complex, with it's trampling over individual rights, might work as a trigger to more open revolt, as now these alien creatures push their agenda down our throats, in our own house.

Personally I think the time for 'open revolt' has already passed a long time ago, considering that FEMA CAMPS are already there, 'waiting' for dissidents or revolutionaries.

When I see how many people go gaga over Palin, just like they did over Commie O'Bummer, I don't hold out much hope.

Just think, only two years ago, President Obama sailed into the White House on the winds of voters` desire for widespread social change and their disgust with two wars and a massive recession associated with George W. Bush.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2010, 09:17:36 AM by sushigirl »
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Re: * Police State USA: TSA Gestapo Empire
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2010, 01:19:05 AM »
The Solution

I've listened to endless hours of talk radio and read the articles on the Bolshevik tactics of the TSA and though the frustration is palpable no one has suggested a solution. Most people commenting on the situation concur that this egregious behavior is permitted because of the provisions written on the ticket you pay for. Since this forum is about solutions let me step forward and suggest that those who need to travel by air do just this much - when you sign for a ticket first write in "Without Prejudice'. You could include UCC 1-207. It wouldn't hurt. In doing so you reserve all your rights and should a third party, in this case the TSA, step into the contract and do what they do best, then the traveler has recourse to a remedy by suing the airline company, along with the TSA. The latter suit is problematic (though should be encouraged for everyone) but the first suit will likely find many willing lawyers lining up to handle the intrepid traveler's suit.

Or you could make a video...
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« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2010, 04:39:59 PM »
The Solution
Since this forum is about solutions let me step forward and suggest that those who need to travel by air do just this much - when you sign for a ticket first write in "Without Prejudice'. You could include UCC 1-207.

Or you could make a video...

I am trying to imagine how this would play out, this could be a very interesting experience. At the very least I can visualize some really odd looks.

(This whole exercise might just require some bail-out money.)
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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2010, 05:01:19 PM »
I am trying to imagine how this would play out, this could be a very interesting experience. At the very least I can visualize some really odd looks.

(This whole exercise might just require some bail-out money.)

Odd looks from the ticket counter personnel you mean? At worse they'll refuse to sell you a ticket.

Should you get a ticket and affixed 'without prejudice' before signing <you could get a stamp ;)> should the TSA put you through the wringer if you tell them you don't wish to get irradiated or gropes and they decide to hold you up I expect they'll make you sign things as well. Best way to handle that is to remain calm, smile lots and sign whatever they want. To deal with their paper make sure you write down 'under duress' before signing. Chances are that by that time you've missed your flight anyway. But that risk comes with every flight nowadays (we used to only have to worry about the weather). At least you would have covered yourself should you decide that the damages were sufficient to sue, or you sue just on principle.
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« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2010, 05:16:22 PM »
The Solution

I've listened to endless hours of talk radio and read the articles on the Bolshevik tactics of the TSA and though the frustration is palpable no one has suggested a solution.

What do you think about profiling? The talk shows here on the West coast are lamenting that if only the TSA did heavy profiling (based on race/religion/travel history), there'd be no need to be groping grandma's nor any one else's "junk". Some suggest the El Al approach (e.g., Muslims with one-way tickets = INSTANT red flag).

Of course, El Al has a comparative handful of flights passing through Ben Gurion.
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« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2010, 06:25:41 PM »

What do you think about profiling? The talk shows here on the West coast are lamenting that if only the TSA did heavy profiling (based on race/religion/travel history),

Well, people profile each other day in and day out. and as you say, it's certainly not intrusive,until you're a 'suspect' by no other criteria that you are suspected.. The more fundamental question is - what are they doing in the airports anyway? Not enough INS and Customs people?

Oh yeah... the terrorista. INS and customs were apparently never as well trained as the MacDonald's graduates hired by the TSA. If you've visited MacDonald's lately you would know who the real terrorists are.
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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2010, 07:04:55 PM »
Odd looks from the ticket counter personnel you mean? At worse they'll refuse to sell you a ticket.

Should you get a ticket and affixed 'without prejudice' before signing <you could get a stamp ;)> should the TSA put you through the wringer if you tell them you don't wish to get irradiated or gropes and they decide to hold you up I expect they'll make you sign things as well. Best way to handle that is to remain calm, smile lots and sign whatever they want. To deal with their paper make sure you write down 'under duress' before signing. Chances are that by that time you've missed your flight anyway. But that risk comes with every flight nowadays (we used to only have to worry about the weather). At least you would have covered yourself should you decide that the damages were sufficient to sue, or you sue just on principle.

I would love to read about the first one who tries it. I have not planned any trips in the near future.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2010, 07:17:33 PM by sushigirl »
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2010, 07:26:33 PM »
Well, people profile each other day in and day out.

Well, the point being made by some is that the current "security" measures being taken by the TSA are precisely the result of the fact that they do NOT profile (at least not against the historically-represented demographic of terror suspects), and so the pat-downs are thusly random (e.g., white, middle-aged business men named "Jones" are being pulled out of line, white-haired grandmas are getting felt up with rubber-handed gloves). The argument is that they should be focusing on guys names "Ahmed" who are traveling one-way, sans luggage, and that this is not being done as a matter of course. 

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...you're a 'suspect' by no other criteria...

There appears to be no discernible "criteria", whatsoever. And that's the point.

It seems an odd position from an agency of a government who holds that it was Muslims/Arabs who were among the chief suspects in every terror plot over the last decade. One could argue that this seemingly random nature of the TSA's practices, indeed their reluctance to profile according to the historically-established suspect type (at least in the mainstream) constitutes tacit admission that the such a profile is, in fact, based upon a false premise.


If one were so inclined.
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