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« Reply #40 on: August 18, 2010, 10:59:17 AM »
The Rape of Nanking was not much different from other rapes committed by the Colonists.

The "Rape of Nanking" was just one of numerous minor but occassionally brutal military operations of the time, in an area that was historically controlled by brutal Chinese warloads.  In this case, the faction that had aligned itself with the Japanese industrialists caught the other side in a vulnerable position and nearly wiped them out.  The story was elevated to prominance by Iris Chang, who allegedly committed suicide.  Here is a link showing her jewish husband at her funeral.

http://www.life.com/image/51767307

It is a re-writing of history using the convenience of Japanese vilification, flavored with holocaust-like mythology, for the primary purpose of disassociating Nanking with the famous and much more historically significant Treaty of Nanking, an oppressive military decree (international theft by the usual suspects) imposed on the Chinese after the first Opium War.  So just as the the "holocaust" overwrites the story of the tragic fate of the German populace (e.g., Dresden, etc.) at the hand of the allies, the "rape" of Nanking overwrites the Chinese fate at the hands for the same imperialists.  Same tactic, same oppressor.       

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« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2010, 05:40:04 PM »
Read the entire Treaty of Nanking.


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ARTICLE VII.

   It is agreed that the Total amount of Twenty-one Millions of Dollars, described in the three preceding Articles,
shall be paid as follows:

   Six Millions immediately.

   Six Millions in 1843. That is:NThree Millions on or before the 30th of the month of June, and Three Millions on
or before the 31St of December.

   Five Millions in 1844. That is:NTwo Millions and a Half on or before the 30th of June, and Two Millions and a half
on or before the 31St of December.

   Four Millions in 1845. That is:NTwo Millions on or before the 30th of June, and Two Millions on or before the
31 st of December; and it is further stipulated, that Interest at the rate of 5 per cent. per annum, shall be paid by the
Government of China on any portions of the above sums that are not punctually discharged at the periods fixed.
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« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2010, 06:27:31 PM »
The "Rape of Nanking" was just one of numerous minor but occassionally brutal military operations of the time, in an area that was historically controlled by brutal Chinese warloads.  In this case, the faction that had aligned itself with the Japanese industrialists caught the other side in a vulnerable position and nearly wiped them out.  The story was elevated to prominance by Iris Chang, who allegedly committed suicide.  Here is a link showing her jewish husband at her funeral.

http://www.life.com/image/51767307

It is a re-writing of history using the convenience of Japanese vilification, flavored with holocaust-like mythology, for the primary purpose of disassociating Nanking with the famous and much more historically significant Treaty of Nanking, an oppressive military decree (international theft by the usual suspects) imposed on the Chinese after the first Opium War.  So just as the the "holocaust" overwrites the story of the tragic fate of the German populace (e.g., Dresden, etc.) at the hand of the allies, the "rape" of Nanking overwrites the Chinese fate at the hands for the same imperialists.  Same tactic, same oppressor.       



The Jews must have had a field day for 100 yrs in China.
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« Reply #43 on: August 18, 2010, 07:22:07 PM »
The Jews must have had a field day for 100 yrs in China.

The Japanese interrupted things, but they were taught a lesson.
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« Reply #44 on: August 18, 2010, 07:28:32 PM »

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« Reply #45 on: August 19, 2010, 07:32:58 AM »
So just as the the "holocaust" overwrites the story of the tragic fate of the German populace (e.g., Dresden, etc.) at the hand of the allies, the "rape" of Nanking overwrites the Chinese fate at the hands for the same imperialists.

Same tactic, same oppressor. 

Nothing has changed. Thanks for explaining, Pete.
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« Reply #46 on: August 19, 2010, 09:45:52 AM »
I just read the Treaty of Nanking.

For the times that was a heavy load, as usual, the victors came out smelling like a rose.

(Never fight a war you can't win!)
 

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« Reply #47 on: August 19, 2010, 09:59:55 AM »
I just read the Treaty of Nanking.

For the times that was a heavy load, as usual, the victors came out smelling like a rose.

(Never fight a war you can't win!)
 

Any war can be won using the right strategy.  The key is having patience.

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« Reply #48 on: August 20, 2010, 10:09:34 AM »
The key is having patience.


Unless ''Christians'' learn to become much more cohesive, nothing will change.

Time will tell.
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« Reply #49 on: August 20, 2010, 03:28:15 PM »
Pete or Laconas,

Who mentioned the other day that the copyright law should be abandoned?
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« Reply #50 on: August 20, 2010, 06:31:21 PM »
Pete or Laconas,

Who mentioned the other day that the copyright law should be abandoned?

That was Pete, and I agreed.
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« Reply #51 on: August 20, 2010, 07:40:14 PM »
That was Pete, and I agreed.

OK ~ I found this earlier, actually yesterday.

No Copyright Law  ~  The Real Reason for Germany's Industrial Expansion?



08/18/2010 -- By Frank Thadeusz

source: http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,710976,00.html#ref=nlint

Did Germany experience rapid industrial expansion in the 19th century due to an absence
of copyright  law?  A German historian argues that the massive proliferation of books, and
thus knowledge, laid the foundation for the country's industrial might.

The entire country seemed to be obsessed with reading. The sudden passion for books struck even booksellers as strange and in 1836 led literary critic Wolfgang Menzel to declare Germans "a people of poets and thinkers."

"That famous phrase is completely misconstrued," declares economic historian Eckhard Höffner, 44. "It refers not to literary greats such as Goethe and Schiller," he explains, "but to the fact that an incomparable mass of reading material was being produced in Germany."

Höffner has researched that early heyday of printed material in Germany and reached a surprising conclusion -- unlike neighboring England and France, Germany experienced an unparalleled explosion of knowledge in the 19th century.

German authors during this period wrote ceaselessly. Around 14,000 new publications appeared in a single year in 1843. Measured against population numbers at the time, this reaches nearly today's level. And although novels were published as well, the majority of the works were academic papers.

The situation in England was very different. "For the period of the Enlightenment and bourgeois emancipation, we see deplorable progress in Great Britain," Höffner states.

Equally Developed Industrial Nation

Indeed, only 1,000 new works appeared annually in England at that time -- 10 times fewer than in Germany -- and this was not without consequences. Höffner believes it was the chronically weak book market that caused England, the colonial power, to fritter away its head start within the span of a century, while the underdeveloped agrarian state of Germany caught up rapidly, becoming an equally developed industrial nation by 1900.

Even more startling is the factor Höffner believes caused this development -- in his view, it was none other than copyright law, which was established early in Great Britain, in 1710, that crippled the world of knowledge in the United Kingdom.

Germany, on the other hand, didn't bother with the concept of copyright for a long time. Prussia, then by far Germany's biggest state, introduced a copyright law in 1837, but Germany's continued division into small states meant that it was hardly possible to enforce the law throughout the empire.

Höffner's diligent research is the first academic work to examine the effects of the copyright over a comparatively long period of time and based on a direct comparison between two countries, and his findings have caused a stir among academics. Until now, copyright was seen as a great achievement and a guarantee for a flourishing book market. Authors are only motivated to write, runs the conventional belief, if they know their rights will be protected.

Yet a historical comparison, at least, reaches a different conclusion. Publishers in England exploited their monopoly shamelessly. New discoveries were generally published in limited editions of at most 750 copies and sold at a price that often exceeded the weekly salary of an educated worker.

London's most prominent publishers made very good money with this system, some driving around the city in gilt carriages. Their customers were the wealthy and the nobility, and their books regarded as pure luxury goods. In the few libraries that did exist, the valuable volumes were chained to the shelves to protect them from potential thieves.

In Germany during the same period, publishers had plagiarizers -- who could reprint each new publication and sell it cheaply without fear of punishment -- breathing down their necks. Successful publishers were the ones who took a sophisticated approach in reaction to these copycats and devised a form of publication still common today, issuing fancy editions for their wealthy customers and low-priced paperbacks for the masses.

A Multitude of Treatises

This created a book market very different from the one found in England. Bestsellers and academic works were introduced to the German public in large numbers and at extremely low prices. "So many thousands of people in the most hidden corners of Germany, who could not have thought of buying books due to the expensive prices, have put together, little by little, a small library of reprints," the historian Heinrich Bensen wrote enthusiastically at the time.

The prospect of a wide readership motivated scientists in particular to publish the results of their research. In Höffner's analysis, "a completely new form of imparting knowledge established itself."

Essentially the only method for disseminating new knowledge that people of that period had known was verbal instruction from a master or scholar at a university. Now, suddenly, a multitude of high-level treatises circulated throughout the country.

The "Literature Newspaper" reported in 1826 that "the majority of works concern natural objects of all types and especially the practical application of nature studies in medicine, industry, agriculture, etc." Scholars in Germany churned out tracts and handbooks on topics such as chemistry, mechanics, engineering, optics and the production of steel.

In England during the same period, an elite circle indulged in a classical educational canon centered more on literature, philosophy, theology, languages and historiography. Practical instruction manuals of the type being mass-produced in Germany, on topics from constructing dikes to planting grain, were for the most part lacking in England. "In Great Britain, people were dependent on the medieval method of hearsay for the dissemination of this useful, modern knowledge," Höffner explains.

The German proliferation of knowledge created a curious situation that hardly anyone is likely to have noticed at the time. Sigismund Hermbstädt, for example, a chemistry and pharmacy professor in Berlin, who has long since disappeared into the oblivion of history, earned more royalties for his "Principles of Leather Tanning" published in 1806 than British author Mary Shelley did for her horror novel "Frankenstein," which is still famous today.

'Lively Scholarly Discourse'

The trade in technical literature was so strong that publishers constantly worried about having a large enough supply, and this situation gave even the less talented scientific authors a good bargaining position in relation to publishers. Many professors supplemented their salaries with substantial additional income from the publication of handbooks and informational brochures.

Höffner explains that this "lively scholarly discourse" laid the basis for the Gründerzeit, or foundation period, the term used to describe the rapid industrial expansion in Germany in the late 19th century. The period produced later industrial magnates such as Alfred Krupp and Werner von Siemens.

The market for scientific literature didn't collapse even as copyright law gradually became established in Germany in the 1840s. German publishers did, however, react to the new situation in a restrictive way reminiscent of their British colleagues, cranking up prices and doing away with the low-price market.

Authors, now guaranteed the rights to their own works, were often annoyed by this development. Heinrich Heine, for example, wrote to his publisher Julius Campe on October 24, 1854, in a rather acerbic mood: "Due to the tremendously high prices you have established, I will hardly see a second edition of the book anytime soon. But you must set lower prices, dear Campe, for otherwise I really don't see why I was so lenient with my material interests."
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« Reply #52 on: August 20, 2010, 08:42:02 PM »

Very interesting, I didn't know the specifics but it seems to fit into my world view that what happened in this period was a unique and influential period that set the tone on how to improve science/technology. Unfortunately, it also makes me less optimistic about improvements in S/T because with so many laws today and the criterion of only investing in innovation where it is beneficial to our oligarchs in the form of money or power. Conceptually what grew in 19th Germany has spread the entire world and is the mode of thinking, but beyond improving what already exists, I don't see anything new conceptually coming along in S/T in our lifetime.

But even though Science/Technology won't change conceptually for hundreds of years, I see other institutions that will change, namely our political system based conceptually on Talmudic influenced Marxist/Socialist with an Athenian democratic veneer. As we are seeing Greece the democratic veneer is falling apart to leave the ugliness of the Talmudic based system exposed. For sure in the last few years we saw the veneer fall off the elections in Palestine, the 2000 American presidential election, and the recent overturning of the people's will in California. But, Greece might be different because it involves bigger issues and is a potential spark that could spread throughout Europe, and of course there's the symbolism as the birthplace of so called democracy.

So even though the Japanese will make better toilets, we'll have more efficient cars, and street corners will have no traffic lights -- all these things are predictable because they're based on S/T innovative mindset developed in the 19th century. What is not predictable is the kind of political system we will develop after the Athenian democratic veneer is no more. For sure the first reaction of the oligarchs will be military rule, but that can only last for so long in having a long term productive and peaceful society. Eventually a new political system will emerge that we at this time can only speculate on.
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« Reply #53 on: August 21, 2010, 08:10:27 PM »
OK ~ I found this earlier, actually yesterday.

No Copyright Law  ~  The Real Reason for Germany's Industrial Expansion?
Yes, that article is interesting & certainly has relevance to our internet age.  But we shouldn't ignore that under Bismarck Germany made vast strides in infrastructure investment, education, science & social welfare--modelled on the "American System".  How Carey & Bismarck Transformed Germany]

BTW I note that when Google searches turn up pdf's, there is often the option to view as html (a little quicker).  However they don't give that option for any Larouche pdf's from what I see.  More Joogle discrimination?

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« Reply #54 on: August 22, 2010, 04:41:41 PM »
...after the Athenian democratic veneer is no more. For sure the first reaction of the oligarchs will be military rule, but that can only last for so long in having a long term productive and peaceful society. Eventually a new political system will emerge that we at this time can only speculate on.

It's like they keep adding cargo to the old ship.  At some point, it will sink, either by the weight of the cargo, or hull failure.  After that, there will be a period where lifeboats will be important.
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« Reply #55 on: August 30, 2010, 11:00:08 AM »
Very interesting...

Conceptually what grew in 19th Germany has spread the entire world and is the mode of thinking, but beyond improving what already exists, I don't see anything new conceptually coming along in S/T in our lifetime.

To me, Laconas, this is all very interesting and not what our 'occupied public fool system' taught us. My Dad knew, my Grandparents knew, I was too young to be told and understand what really happened.

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But, Greece might be different because it involves bigger issues and is a potential spark that could spread throughout Europe, and of course there's the symbolism as the birthplace of so called democracy.

Who knows how things will play out in Greece, being a homogeneous society is their strength. One spark has changed history before.....

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For sure the first reaction of the oligarchs will be military rule, but that can only last for so long in having a long term productive and peaceful society.

This would also be the first reaction in the USA and Canada. (FEMA Camps!) The disadvantage here is that our society is not homogeneous.

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Eventually a new political system will emerge that we at this time can only speculate on.

That may be past our time.   8)



     It is imperative that the Myth of the Holocaust be upheld and nurtured. Should it ever be exposed as a
     gross fabrication (which it is), the consequences of that would be highly unsettling, to say the least
     (hefty refunds for starters). Actually, the truth is already out, but of course the Mass Media (property of
     the few) is not going to print it any time soon!

Therefore it is of great importance that the Holocaust Myth finally gets resolved. This cannot be done by a still occupied Germany.  

BUT someday maybe there will come a time when 'The Few' go one step too far and the whole house of cards comes crashing down.
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« Reply #56 on: August 30, 2010, 05:00:50 PM »
Thank you for that, EB. Most enlightening!  

The British lords, the Hapsburgs, and other imperial leaders panicked as they saw  America`s nationalist  upsurge spreading and threatening the utter route of oligarchism. Britain`s intrigues led to world war and the political catastrophes that broke up America`s international alliances. But Britain`s permanent hysteria over the post-Civil War U.S. outreach is shown by its complete purging of Lincoln-Carey politics from historical accounts of the period.

Yet, one can still see the shadow of these events in the so-called `Austrian School` of economics, concocted by the British and the Hapsburgs in the 1880s, in reaction to Germany`s radical policy reversal. In this ultra-free market dogma`” the doctrine of Friedrich von Hayek and of today`s neo-con-servatives`”Otto  von  Bismarck  and  Abraham  Lincoln are made into the twin bogeymen of modern history, the supposed originators of despotism and communism!
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« Reply #57 on: August 30, 2010, 07:00:17 PM »
Thank you for that, EB. Most enlightening!  

The British lords, the Hapsburgs, and other imperial leaders panicked as they saw  America`s nationalist  upsurge spreading and threatening the utter route of oligarchism. Britain`s intrigues led to world war and the political catastrophes that broke up America`s international alliances. But Britain`s permanent hysteria over the post-Civil War U.S. outreach is shown by its complete purging of Lincoln-Carey politics from historical accounts of the period.

Yet, one can still see the shadow of these events in the so-called `Austrian School` of economics, concocted by the British and the Hapsburgs in the 1880s, in reaction to Germany`s radical policy reversal. In this ultra-free market dogma`” the doctrine of Friedrich von Hayek and of today`s neo-con-servatives`”Otto  von  Bismarck  and  Abraham  Lincoln are made into the twin bogeymen of modern history, the supposed originators of despotism and communism!

FWIW both Bismarck & Lincoln knew how to win wars, unlike (ie post-WWII USA) nations under the sway of "free-market" economics.

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« Reply #58 on: August 31, 2010, 09:31:29 AM »
My people, 'The Jews', developed a lot of things. The entire history of porn ia a Jewish invention.

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« Reply #59 on: August 31, 2010, 08:00:12 PM »
My people, 'The Jews', developed a lot of things. The entire history of porn ia a Jewish invention.

Internet was started by the military (to carry out Zionist wars) but got BIG due to the bandwidth demands of Joo porn purveyors.