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Title: * Rethinking Hitler & National Socialism
Post by: Sue on August 17, 2012, 05:39:48 PM
Rethinking Hitler & National Socialism

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I suppose it would eventually come to this: all the reading, investigating, and research I’ve done since discovering the truth about 9/11 would lead to a re-examination and re-learning of much of history, especially the mainstream version of WWI and WWII history. Since I began looking into 9/11, I’ve explored all sorts of “conspiracy theories”, but lately, largely as a result of following the work of Deanna Spingola, ZionCrimeFactory, Carolyn Yeager, Veronica Clark, and others, I’ve began to delve deeper and deeper into revisionist history and what Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP) really stood for. And today I’d like to share some of my thoughts with you about this subject.

I’ve mentioned before that I once bought into Jim Condit, Jr.’s thesis about Adolf Hitler and the NSDAP, namely, that Hitler and many of the top Nazi leaders were either Jews themselves, or puppets of the international bankers and Jewish crime network, operating as part of the bankers controlled opposition in order to facilitate the establishment of the illegitimate, terrorist state of Israel as a safe haven and central headquarters for the global Jewish mafia, in the process fulfilling messianic Jewish prophecy in order to advance what is commonly known as “The New World Order”, whose foundations are laid out in detail in the supremacist Jewish Talmud. However, I’ve always kept an open mind about this and many other subjects, and only recently (i.e., the past six months or so) began to really explore it in greater detail. And I’m now firmly convinced that Condit and others that promote this ridiculous theory about the NSDAP being puppets of the Rothschilds are 100% wrong in their assessment. I’ve concluded that all the other ridiculous theories and outright slanders against Adolf Hitler and National Socialist Germany are merely attempts to divert people’s attention away from what Hitler and his movement actually stood for, what they represented, what they actually said, and what they actually did. By the way, Deanna Spingola and Veronica Clark refute many of these outlandish theories in a recent interview for those interested.

One thing I want to make clear here: Hitler and the National Socialist movement were most definitely “anti-Semites”, and used “anti-Semitism” in their political propaganda and messaging. After all, even critics of Hitler and the NSDAP recognize that their propaganda was based on truth, and in our ass-backwards, Jew-run world, the truth is fundamentally “anti-Semitic”. So let’s not get caught up in this childish meme of “Hitler and the Nazis were evil, racist anti-Semites’” nonsense, and simply refuse to investigate objectively what they stood for. Look at what they said, did, wrote about, and represented, and you will come to the obvious conclusion that I have: that this movement was the greatest threat the world has ever known to the parasitic, subversive, and destructive nature of the international Jewish criminal cabal largely controlling the West, pushing for their “New World Order” on every front imaginable.

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This is why Hitler and National Socialist Germany had to be destroyed. This is why Hitler and the NSDAP are constantly demonized, slandered, and blamed for every evil in the world. This is why the mass media, Hollywood and our educational system projects the crimes that the Jew-run Allies (the U.K., U.S. and Soviet Union) actually committed on to Hitler and National Socialist Germany. The Jews have completely flipped the script, blaming Hitler and the NSDAP for a fake “Holocaust” of European Jews and countless other alleged atrocities when in fact the Allies were responsible for the real holocausts and other crimes against humanity during WWII.  Organized international Jewry, the primary network behind the push for a “New World Order”, understand and recognize how dangerous Adolf Hitler and National Socialist ideology was – and potentially remains – to their totalitarian plan for world domination and subjugation.

As Veronica Clark explains in her must read article titled, Demystification of the Birth and Funding of the NSDAP, Hitler sought to overcome the class antagonism prevalent throughout Germany (and much of Europe) by establishing a political and social order based on merit, rather than class or wealth, and sought to unify German society around their common German heritage and Nordic race.  Consider the following quote from Hitler, which underscores how he felt about the capitalist system that prevailed in Europe, Britain, and the United States:

    We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.

How true does that statement ring to you, especially in light of the criminal bailout of Wall Street and the absurd bonuses all the big shots were doling out for themselves and their crooked henchman following the (still on-going) financial collapse initiated in 2008?

National Socialist ideology did have opinions about and openly discussed race and the "Jewish Problem", but it's far more nuanced than the mainstream version of history.  For starters, National Socialism was more pro-German, pro-Aryan than anti-other races - except the Jewish "race". They cherished and sought to preserve their German race and identity, recognizing the destructive and subversive nature of Jewry, and their innate ability to corrupt society. They said and wrote some "extreme" things by today's Orwellian standards - but truthful things. The National Socialists were just being honest about the nature of organized Jewry, and their threat to Gentile societies.

For instance, consider this excerpt from a 1935 bulletin published by the Reichspropagandaleitung, the Nazi Party's Central Propaganda office:

    Some believe that we are using methods in this battle that are too harsh. We reply that our attacks and methods in this battle cannot be determined by our way of thinking, by whether we find them ugly or harsh, but rather we must use methods in our attacks that are appropriate for the opponent that we are attacking. One cannot battle the Jews with the politeness of the noble Aryan soul, for which he as no understanding. We need only think back on the methods that the Jew used against our movement during the period of struggle. No lie or slander was too crude to be used, to be seized and passed on by the Jews and their Jewish lackeys with eagerness, enthusiasm, and Satanic joy. We would have had little success replying then with refined arguments. It is just as impossible today to combat this creeping, subterranean danger with methods that the Jew would only laugh at.

    The Führer’s contribution has been to make the Jewish Question a matter for the entire people. The efforts völkisch groups, organizations, etc., made in the past to spread knowledge about the world enemy were never of great significance, since only a very limited circle was reached. With his movement, Adolf Hitler created an instrument that went far beyond these groups and made the nation see that the solution to this question was a prerequisite to changing Germany’s fate. In answer to his brave act, all the powers at the command of the Jewish world were called on, including the mobilization of parties, of the press, of the radio, of finance, and of bloody terror. [...]

I also recommend reading Those Damned Nazis, written by Joseph Goebbles in 1932, which explains National Socialist ideology in greater detail.  Here are some excerpts that stand out to me: Why Are We Socialists?

We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. [...]

Why a Workers’ Party?

Work is not mankind’s curse, but his blessing. A man becomes a man through labor. It elevates him, makes him great and aware, raises him above all other creatures. It is in the deepest sense creative, productive, and culture-producing. Without labor, no food. Without food, no life.

The idea that the dirtier one’s hands get, the more degrading the work, is a Jewish, not a German, idea. [...]

We call ourselves a workers’ party because we want to rescue the word work from its current definition and give it back its original meaning. Anyone who creates value is a creator, that is, a worker. We refuse to distinguish kinds of work. Our only standard is whether the work serves the whole, or at least does not harm it, or if it is harmful. Work is service. If it works against the general welfare, then it is treason against the fatherland. [...]

Why Do We Oppose the Jews?

We oppose the Jews because we are defending the freedom of the German people. The Jew is the cause and beneficiary of our slavery. He has misused the social misery of the broad masses to deepen the dreadful split between the right and left of our people, to divide Germany into two halves thereby concealing the true reason for the loss of the Great War and falsifying the nature of the revolution.

The Jew has no interest in solving the German question. He cannot have such an interest. He depends on it remaining unsolved. If the German people formed a united community and won back its freedom, there would be no place any longer for the Jew. His hand is strongest when a people lives in domestic and international slavery, not when it is free, industrious, self-aware and determined. The Jew caused our problems, and lives from them.

That is why we oppose the Jew as nationalists and as socialists. He has ruined our race, corrupted our morals, hollowed out our customs and broken our strength. We owe it to him that we today are the Pariah of the world. He was the leper among as long as we were German. When we forgot our German nature, he triumphed over us and our future.

The Jew is the plastic demon of decomposition. Where he finds filth and decay, he surfaces and begins his butcher’s work among the nations. He hides behind a mask and presents himself as a friend to his victims, and before they know it he has broken their neck.

The Jew is uncreative. He produces nothing, he only haggles with products. With rags, clothing, pictures, jewels, grain, stocks, cures, peoples and states. He has somehow stolen everything he deals in. When he attacks a state he is a revolutionary. As soon as he holds power, he preaches peace and order so that he can devour his conquests in comfort.

What does anti-Semitism have to do with socialism? I would put the question this way: What does the Jew have to do with socialism? Socialism has to do with labor. When did one ever see him working instead of plundering, stealing and living from the sweat of others? As socialists we are opponents of the Jews because we see in the Hebrews the incarnation of capitalism, of the misuse of the nation’s goods.

What does anti-Semitism have to do with nationalism? I would put the question this way: What does the Jew have to do with nationalism? Nationalism has to do with blood and race. The Jew is the enemy and destroyer of the purity of blood, the conscious destroyer of our race. As nationalists we oppose the Jews because we see the Hebrews as the eternal enemy of our national honor and of our national freedom.

But the Jew, after all, is also a human being. Certainly, none of us doubts that. We only doubt that he is a decent human being. He does not get along with us. He lives by other laws than we do. The fact that he is a human being is not sufficient reason for us to allow him to subject us in inhumane ways. He may be a human being — but what kind of a human being is he! If someone slaps your mother in the face, do you say: “Thank you! He is after all a human being!” That is not a human being, it is a monster. Yet how much worse has the Jew done to our mother Germany, and is still doing today! [...]

Finally, consider Adolf Hitler's political testament he dictated shortly before he committed suicide:

    More than thirty years have passed since 1914 when I made my modest contribution as a volunteer in the First World War, which was forced upon the Reich.

    In these three decades love and loyalty to my people have guided all my thoughts, actions and my life. They gave me the strength to make the most difficult decisions ever to confront mortal man. In these three decades I have spent my strength and my health.

    It is untrue that I or anyone else in Germany wanted war in 1939. It was wanted and provoked solely by international statesmen either of Jewish origin or working for Jewish interests. I have made too many offers for the limitation and control of armaments, which posterity will not be cowardly enough always to disregard, for responsibility for the outbreak of this war to be placed on me. Nor have I ever wished that, after the appalling First World War, there would ever be a second against either England or America. Centuries will go by, but from the ruins of our towns and monuments the hatred of those ultimately responsible will always grow anew against the people whom we have to thank for all this: international Jewry and its henchmen. [...]

Hitler and the National Socialist movement in Germany, from what I can tell after honestly assessing the situation, were leaders and statesmen in the truest sense. They were true patriots that cared deeply about their country and their people, unlike the puppets, sell-outs and traitors in the West today that do nothing but lie to the people they allegedly represent, all the while serving a foreign criminal cabal. The National Socialists were honest with their fellow Germans, and treated them with respect by and large, certainly compared to governments in the West today.

Is it any wonder then that Hitler specifically, and National Socialist Germany generally, are so demonized, slandered, and hated by the Jews, and thus much of Western society due to their control over the mass media and educational system? Hitler and the National Socialists not only spoke openly and honestly about important subjects, clearly identifying the enemy of all humanity – international Jewry – they made serious moves against this destructive, parasitic network of criminals that had wrecked their country and sought to destroy their people. Hitler and National Socialism were the anti-thesis to Jewish Communism and Jewish plutocratic capitalism, and it's time we recognize this fact.

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Title: - * Rethinking Hitler & National Socialism
Post by: dominique on August 17, 2012, 08:20:28 PM
I don't know if this is the appropriate place to post this, but concerning Hitler, my favorite quote from him about the jews is this one, concerning their method of argument (I used to post this a few times back in the Nolajbs days):

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The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day.

Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck.

I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying.

Gradually I began to hate them.

http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch02.html



All that said, Hitler really started to lose it mentally some time after America got involved in WWII. I don't know if it was the speed, the juice (steroids) he was shooting, and/or some ingrained mental illness. Not to say he wasn't brilliant, just crazy in his later life.


Title: - * Rethinking Hitler & National Socialism
Post by: Sue on August 17, 2012, 09:18:38 PM
I don't know if this is the appropriate place to post this, but concerning Hitler, my favorite quote from him about the jews is this one, concerning their method of argument (I used to post this a few times back in the Nolajbs days):

http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch02.html

All that said, Hitler really started to lose it mentally some time after America got involved in WWII. I don't know if it was the speed, the juice (steroids) he was shooting, and/or some ingrained mental illness. Not to say he wasn't brilliant, just crazy in his later life.

Just to be fair, the realization that the USA had decided to enter the war against Germany had to be extremely unsettling. Insane - absolutely NOT - just deeply unsettled. Their war machinery was just too much, too overwhelming.
Title: - * Rethinking Hitler & National Socialism
Post by: Sue on August 17, 2012, 09:33:43 PM
More thoughts about Adolf Hitler and National Socialism

I’d like to express a few more thoughts to follow up the post I wrote a couple weeks ago, Rethinking Adolf Hitler and National Socialism.

First, Hitler and the NSDAP were not, I repeat, were not funded by Jews. They were not “Rothschild agents” or “puppets of the bankers” or “stooges for the Jews”. They were diametrically opposed to the Jewish supremacist goal of a “New World Order”, which is essentially Jewish domination and subjugation of the entire globe, a Jewish Utopia so to speak.

I linked this article by Veronica Clark in the last post, which explains in great detail the rise of the NSDAP in Germany, dispelling all of these myths about Hitler being funded by Jews, or the Rothschilds, or the Illuminati, or the bankers, ect.  Sit down and read it if you haven't yet.  I'm also currently reading Heiki B. Gortemaker's Eva Braun: Life with Hitler, which succinctly summarizes the rise of the NSDAP in just a few pages.  She discusses the central importance of the Munich beer halls as gathering places and recruitment centers (beer halls have a long history as political gathering places in Germany) of the NSDAP, the increase in popularity of the NSDAP following the economic crash of 1929, and Hitler's efforts to unite all segments of German society - industrialists, aristocrats, soldiers, civil servants, farmers, workers, teachers, students, mothers, fathers, children - under the banner of National Socialism.

(http://www.wingtv.net/images/newbabylon3.jpg)  Just to further discredit this idea that Hitler and the NSDAP were funded by "the Jews", consider the following excerpt of Michael Collins Piper's must read book, The New Babylon: Those Who Reign Supreme - A Panoramic Overview of the Historical, Religious and Economic Origins of the New World Order:

    There is also the legend that “The Jewish bankers” or “The Zionist bankers” (used often interchangeably) financed Hitler. Not true. James Pool, in his authortative work, Who Financed Hitler?, demonstrates quite to the contrary.

    In one instance, a Jewish financier in Germany did give money to the Nazi Party–prior to the rise of Adolf Hitler–but those funds were designed to help Hitler’s intra-party opposition to stop Hitler. But despite this fact, some “patriots” still say that “The Jews Backed Hitler.”

    Many of those who worship at the altar of this nonsense cite a flagrantly-fraudulent document of shadowy origins entitled Hitler’s Secret Bankers, ostensibly written by one “Sidney Warburg,” one of those “Jewish bankers.” But this document, as we’ve said, is a fraud.

    The late Dr. Anthony Sutton’s Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler has promoted this theory, based in part on the Warburg travesty and has given further institutionalization to this mythology–truth be damned.

    American banks and corporations did work with the Hitler regime, usually a continuation of previous financial arrangements going back decades, but this was not part of any grand conspiracy to bring Hitler to power. The claim that the Bush family was integral to the rise of Hitler is another myth. Kevin Phillips–no admirer of the Bush dynasty–examines the actual circumstances surrounding the Bush-Hitler scenario in his book, American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush and puts the facts in proper perspective.

If Hitler and the NSDAP were “Rothschild agents” or "Jewish puppets", why on earth did they do things like this or this or this? 

Why did they make movies like this or the one shown below if they were in the pocket of the Rothschilds and other Jewish bankers?


Why did Hitler perfectly describe the Big Lie technique (Holohoax & 9/11) used by the Jews to advance their "New World Order", deceive and rob Gentiles, and subvert their governments, economy, and culture if he was secretly working for them?

    But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute responsibility for the downfall precisely to the man who alone had shown a superhuman will and energy in his effort to prevent the catastrophe which he had foreseen and to save the nation from that hour of complete overthrow and shame. By placing responsibility for the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the Fatherland to Justice. All this was inspired by the principle - which is quite true in itself - that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes.

    From time immemorial; however, the Jews have known better than any others how falsehood and calumny can be exploited. Is not their very existence founded on one great lie, namely, that they are a religious community, whereas in reality they are a race? And what a race! One of the greatest thinkers that mankind has produced has branded the Jews for all time with a statement which is profoundly and exactly true. He (Schopenhauer) called the Jew "The Great Master of Lies". Those who do not realize the truth of that statement, or do not wish to believe it, will never be able to lend a hand in helping Truth to prevail.
    - Adolf Hitler, quote from Mein Kampf (page 184-185)

Why did Joseph Goebbels and other NSDAP leaders say things like this if they weren't for real about their convictions?

    The historic responsibility of world Jewry for the outbreak and widening of this war has been proven so clearly that it does not need to be talked about any further. The Jews wanted war, and now they have it. But the Führer’s prophecy of 30 January 1939 to the German Reichstag is also being fulfilled: If international finance Jewry should succeed in plunging the world into war once again, the result will be not the Bolshevization of the world and thereby the victory of the Jews, but rather the destruction of the Jewish race in Europe.

    We are seeing the fulfillment of the prophecy. The Jews are receiving a penalty that is certainly hard, but more than deserved. World Jewry erred in adding up the forces available to it for this war, and now is gradually experiencing the destructon that it planned for us, and would have carried out without a second thought if it had possessed the ability. It is perishing according its own law: “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.”

    Every Jew is our enemy in this historic struggle, regardless of whether he vegetates in a Polish ghetto or carries on his parasitic existence in Berlin or Hamburg or blows the trumpets of war in New York or Washington. All Jews by virtue of their birth and their race are part of an international conspiracy against National Socialist Germany. They want its defeat and annihilation, and do all in their power to bring it about. That they can do nothing inside the Reich is hardly a sign of their loyalty, but rather of the appropriate measures we took against them. [...]

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If Hitler and the NSDAP were indeed “puppets of the bankers” or “stooges of the Jews”, why on earth were they speaking openly and honestly about the Jews, publicly naming the enemy and exposing his agenda?  And Hitler and the NSDAP were not only being honest with their fellow countryman (and world, really) about the Jews and the disgraceful Versailles Treaty, they made serious moves to counteract and redress these problems.

Second, Hitler was not "the founder of Israel". This is absurd, and I’ll explain why.

It was Britain, through the Balfour Declaration, addressed to none other than Lord Rothschild himself, that initially facilitated the establishment of the illegitimate terrorist state of Israel, not Germany. Germany never supported or wanted a Jewish state in Palestine. Hitler and NSDAP policy were primarily concerned with getting the Jews out of Germany (and eventually all of Europe), and did in fact collaborate with Zionist organizations and factions that promoted Jewish emigration to Palestine.  They even entered into economic agreements with these organizations to not only facilitate the emigration of Jews from Germany, but also bolster Germans exports.

Mark Weber of the Institute for Historical Review lays this out quite clearly in an article titled, Zionism and the Third Reich:

    [...] German support for Zionism was not unlimited. Government and Party officials were very mindful of the continuing campaign by powerful Jewish communities in the United States, Britain and other countries to mobilize "their" governments and fellow citizens against Germany. As long as world Jewry remained implacably hostile toward National Socialist Germany, and as long as the great majority of Jews around the world showed little eagerness to resettle in the Zionist "promised land," a sovereign Jewish state in Palestine would not really "solve" the international Jewish question. Instead, German officials reasoned, it would immeasurably strengthen this dangerous anti-German campaign. German backing for Zionism was therefore limited to support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine under British control, not a sovereign Jewish state.

    A Jewish state in Palestine, the Foreign Minister informed diplomats in June 1937, would not be in Germany's interest because it would not be able to absorb all Jews around the world, but would only serve as an additional power base for international Jewry, in much the same way as Moscow served as a base for international Communism. Reflecting something of a shift in official policy, the German press expressed much greater sympathy in 1937 for Palestinian Arab resistance to Zionist ambitions, at a time when tension and conflict between Jews and Arabs in Palestine was sharply increasing.

    A Foreign Office circular bulletin of June 22, 1937, cautioned that in spite of support for Jewish settlement in Palestine, "it would nevertheless be a mistake to assume that Germany supports the formation of a state structure in Palestine under some form of Jewish control. In view of the anti-German agitation of international Jewry, Germany cannot agree that the formation of a Palestine Jewish state would help the peaceful development of the nations of the world." "The proclamation of a Jewish state or a Jewish-administrated Palestine," warned an internal memorandum by the Jewish affairs section of the SS, "would create for Germany a new enemy, one that would have a deep influence on developments in the Near East." Another SS agency predicted that a Jewish state "would work to bring special minority protection to Jews in every country, therefore giving legal protection to the exploitation activity of world Jewry." In January 1939, Hitler's new Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop, likewise warned in another circular bulletin that "Germany must regard the formation of a Jewish state as dangerous" because it "would bring an international increase in power to world Jewry."

Hitler and the NSDAP did not advocate for or support a Jewish state in Palestine.  In fact, in Mein Kampf Hitler accurately described what a Jewish state would look like should the Gentile world allow it to happen:

    The Jew’s domination in the state seems so assured that now not only can he call himself a Jew again, but he ruthlessly admits his ultimate national and political designs. A section of his race openly owns itself to be a foreign people, yet even here they lie. For while the Zionists try to make the rest of the world believe that the national consciousness of the Jew finds its satisfaction in the creation of a Palestinian state, the Jews again slyly dupe the dumb Goyim. It doesn’t even enter their heads to build up a Jewish state in Palestine for the purpose of living there; all they want is a central organization for their international world swindle, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states: a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks.

Bottom line is, the Jews were dead set on establishing their criminal, usurping state in Palestine, not only to fulfill their twisted messianic prophecies, but also to gain a safe haven and central headquarters for their global crime syndicate, a fact Hitler recognized.  He wanted the Jews out of Germany in order to rebuild German society after the devastation of WWI.  The Jews in Palestine perfected their use of terrorism and underhandedness and declared "independence" shortly after Germany's defeat in WWII, using their fake "Holocaust" story and agents of influence across the globe to sell their false narrative of history to the rest of the world.  And who were the first governments to recognize the illegitimate, terrorist state of Israel?  Two of international Jewry's biggest puppets: the United States and the Soviet Union.

    On May 14, 1948, the leaders of the Jewish organizations in Palestine, headed byDavid Ben-Gurion,proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel, to take effect at midnight that night.

    At that point, the State of Israel came into existence. The United States recognized the provisional Jewish government as de facto authority of the Jewish state within minutes. The Soviet Union granted de jure recognition almost immediately in 1948 along with seven other states within the next five days (Guatemala, Byelorussia, the Ukraine, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Uruguay, and Yugoslavia). [Source]

Hitler and National Socialist Germany's ultimate aim was the removal of the Jews from Germany and Europe, and they collaborated with the Zionist movement to accomplish this goal. After the Jews and their puppet Allies brutally destroyed Germany in WWII, which represented the greatest threat in history to the global Jewish crime network behind “The New World Order”, it was only a matter of time before "Israel" would be officially established.

Hitler was not “the founder of Israel” as many continue to claim, and was not responsible for the establishment of that illegitimate, criminal hellhole brutally occupying Palestine. Hitler and National Socialist Germany were destroyed to pave the way for the establishment of Israel. Blaming Hitler and National Socialist Germany for something the Jews were determined to do on their own – with the assistance of their puppets in the West – is a gross distortion of history.

(http://www.historicalreviewpress.com/ekmps/shops/hrpbizzy012/images/the-new-germany-s-desires-work-and-peace-400-p.jpg)  Third, Hitler did not start WWII, and he was not a war-monger.  Hitler wanted work and peace, as he outlined in numerous speeches after he was elected Chancellor in 1933.  He wanted to rebuild the German economy, and help the German worker and farmer.  Read all about it here.

Further, we have to remember that international Jewry declared war on Germany in 1933, and some Jewish leaders, while projecting their own tribe's long established goals of world domination onto the Germans, actually called for the total annihilation of Germany:

    For it must be patent by now that while all the Germans may not approve of the means being employed by the Nazis in achieving German-world-dominion, they are practically unanimous in agreeing that that goal must, now or in the future, be definitely achieved by Germany. Were the German nations to win this war, not one German would hesitate laying claim to a share in the loot … Yet defeat will on no account erase their desire to conquer and rule the world. There is only one way to frustrate such a desire: the goal of world-dominion must be removed from the reach of the German and the only way to accomplish that is to remove the German from the world! -Theodore Kaufman, Germany Must Perish!

Organized Jewry has been and remains the inciter of global war and genocide, including WWII.  Consider what Jewish writer Marcus Eli Ravage said in the January 1928 issue of Century Magazine:

    We [Jews] have been at the bottom not merely of the latest great war but of nearly all your wars, not only of the Russian but of every other major revolution in your history. We have brought discord and confusion and frustration into your personal and public life. We are still doing it. No one can tell how long we shall go on doing it.

Fourth, I haven’t bothered to read all of this or this, which allege that Hitler and the NSDAP were homosexuals. I think it’s pretty ridiculous on its face. The demonization and slanders against this man are never ending it seems.

Hitler is a Jew, Hitler is a Rothschild, Hitler is a puppet of the bankers, he’s a homosexual, the Nazis secretly run the world, the Nazis have underground bases in Antarctica, the Nazis are on the moon… all of these ridiculous claims about Hitler and the NSDAP can’t all be true, can they?

Let’s assume that Hitler and the NSDAP were in fact homosexuals. Can someone who supports this theory explain to me why that would matter? Would that change anything that Hitler said, wrote about, and accomplished?

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Finally, National Socialist Germany demonstrated how to effectively deal with the international Jewish conspiracy for a “New World Order”, their subversion and perversion of the German culture, economy, and government, and their control of the mass media, at least temporarily. What are the prospects of a movement of this type gaining a foothold in American society?

America today, as opposed to Germany in the 1920s and 30s, is essentially a multinational empire, a true melting pot of all races, nationalities, cultures, and lifestyles. National Socialism sought to unite all elements of Germany society on their common German heritage and Nordic (or Aryan or white, whatever term you want to use) race, and wasn't afraid or intimidated by organized Jewry, which long ago declared war on the Gentile world.

How is that going to happen in America? What is going to unite all Americans to overcome and defeat the forces of the “New World Order”, especially when there is (increasingly) no common race, no common culture, or no common ideology?

Making matters worse, most Americans are abysmally ignorant and totally brainwashed by Jewish propaganda, “entertainment”, and false history. I’d venture to say that most Americans don’t even know how to use their brains properly. Not to mention the rise of harmful vaccines, pharmaceutical drugs, alcohol and other narcotics, poisonous foods and the general degeneracy of American society… we have a lot to overcome, anyone know where to start? 

http://johnfriendsblog.blogspot.ca/2012/06/more-thoughts-about-adolf-hitler-and.html
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Post by: laconas on August 17, 2012, 10:05:26 PM
So, what lessons can be learned by studying the failed revolt against Jewish banking power by the rise of the NSDAP?
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Post by: Sue on August 17, 2012, 10:40:21 PM
So, what lessons can be learned by studying the failed revolt against Jewish banking power by the rise of the NSDAP?

I'm dead tired and off to bed, I need to do some errands out of town early tomorrow. Meanwhile laconas, please do feel free to post YOUR thoughts, I would love to read them when I get back. Good night.
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Post by: Judson on August 18, 2012, 01:42:42 AM
Great article sushigirl .... good info.
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Post by: jacob gold on August 18, 2012, 03:52:23 PM
I'm dead tired and off to bed, I need to do some errands out of town early tomorrow. Meanwhile laconas, please do feel free to post YOUR thoughts, I would love to read them when I get back. Good night.


That film is what happened to america
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Post by: Sue on August 19, 2012, 07:53:17 AM

That film is what happened to america

Precisely!

I would choose a good dictator over this so-called democracy [with umpteen 'choices'] B.S. anytime. Whoever coined these words was correct: Democracy is "two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner."
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Post by: dominique on August 19, 2012, 08:06:41 AM
Precisely!

I would choose a good dictator over this so-called democracy [with umpteen 'choices'] B.S. anytime.

"Umpteen" 'choices'? No, more like two, if you're lucky. In many offices (particularly local), sometimes there is only one.

That's why we desperately need NOTA on the ballot. If NOTA wins, it's a do-over with a clean slate of candidates.
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Post by: Sue on August 19, 2012, 08:44:44 AM
"Umpteen" 'choices'? No, more like two, if you're lucky. In many offices (particularly local), sometimes there is only one.

That's why we desperately need NOTA on the ballot. If NOTA wins, it's a do-over with a clean slate of candidates.

Sorry, I meant numerous ''candidates'' serving the elite and not the people.
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Post by: dominique on August 19, 2012, 11:40:21 AM
Sorry, I meant numerous ''candidates'' serving the elite and not the people.

Carlin said it best.

"The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. YOU DON'T. You have no choice. You have OWNERS. They OWN YOU.... "

Best monologue of all time.... "It's called the American Dream...because you have to be asleep to believe it."


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Post by: Sue on August 19, 2012, 12:32:31 PM
I have seen this one, Carlin is great!!!
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Post by: Sue on August 19, 2012, 06:22:06 PM
Nazi Expert: ‘I Have Proof Hitler Died In 1960s’

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Painting depicting an aged Adolf Hitler in his 70s

By Terrence Aym ~ Thursday, September 29, 2011 18:00

source: http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2011/09/nazi-expert-i-have-proof-hitler-died-in-1960s-1163749.html

"The biggest revelation is an authenticated secret German document which lists Hitler as
one of the passengers evacuated by plane from Austria to Barcelona on April 26, 1945."

Although official history contends Hitler committed suicide with his newlywed wife, Eva Braun, on April, 30 1945 and their corpses were burned by others in the Berlin bunker, Abel Basti claims proof the story is a fabrication.

According to Basti's meticulous research, the leader of the Third Reich spent his last years as an art dealer and had facial plastic surgery to change his appearance.

Those are just two of the astounding revelations that respected Argentine journalist and historian Abel Basti documents in his book, Hitler's Exile.

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TIME magazine announces Hitler's death in 1945

While the book was a runaway bestseller across South America, it's been suppressed in the United States and the Russian Federation. Those two countries still maintain that Germany's Führer committed suicide during the last days of World War Two.

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World newspapers report Hitler dead…were they wrong?

The claim that Hitler and some high-ranking Schutzstaffel (SS) officers escaped Germany and fled to South America is not new.

Nil Nikandrov observes (Strategic Culture Foundation, "All the Leaders of the Third Reich Fled to Latin America") (http://en.fondsk.ru/print.php?id=2022): "In his well-documented, The Hitler Survival Myth (1981), Donald McKale identifies the earliest source of the myth of Hitler's escape to the southern hemisphere as the unexpected surrender of a German submarine in early July 1945 at Mar del Plata, Argentina.

"Several Buenos Aires newspapers, in defiance of Argentine Navy statements, said that rubber boats had been seen landing from it, and other submarines spotted in the area.

"On July 16, 1945, the Chicago Times carried a sensational article on the Hitlers having slipped off to Argentina.”

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July 16, 1945: Chicago Times reports Hitler fled to South America

The Hitler-in-Argentina tale first surfaced in a book back in 1947

"Ladislao Zsabó, a Hungarian advertiser, witnessed the arrival of the U-530 and saw its crew disembarking. He had heard that the destination was the German Antarctica and, mistakenly, made a supposition that Hitler had escaped to Antarctica, and published the book Hitler está Vivo (Hitler is Alive), where he speaks about the possible location of Hitler, in Queen's Maud properties, opposite the Weddel Sea, that was then renamed Neuschwabenland, when the area was explored in 1938/39 by the German expedition [led] by Captain Ritschter.

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Brick from wall of Nazi complex in Patagonia

"Zsabó made the wrong assumption.

"Had he read the book by Professor Hugo Fernandez Artucio published in 1940, Nazis en el Uruguay, (Nazis in Uruguay) he would had discovered that there actually was a plan referring to German Antarctica, but this was nothing but the term they used for the Patagonia and that this information had been made public in New York in 1939." [Nil Nikandrov]

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'Eagle's Nest" stonework on wall of German complex, Argentina.

Basti doggedly digs deeper

When there's so much smoke there's usually a fire. Basti tracked down that fire during seven years of sometimes grueling investigations.

Author-journalist Abel Basti holds copy of his bestselling book

He personally visited German compounds surrounded by security and stern-faced guards, interviewed surviving witnesses in villages near the strongholds, and even obtained authenticated photographs of Hitler and Braun during their exile years.

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Alleged photo of Adolf and Eva with daughter Urich in Argentina

   "Basti wrote that A. Hitler, E. Braun, and Führer's closest aides flew from the burning Berlin to Spain…and then crossed the Atlantic Ocean by three submarines and reached Argentina.

"In July-August, 1945 Hitler and his clique landed in the Rio Negro province near the Caleta de los Loros village and moved on further into Argentine.

"Allegedly, the same secret route prepared by SS chief Himmler's staff was later used by Bormann, Mengele, and Eichmann.

"Basti detailed the journey of A. Hitler and E. Braun across Argentina assisted by local Nazi sympathizers and described the couple’s family life during which—despite the hardships of hiding—they even had children."

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Alleged photo of Hitler in disguise, Buenos Aires meeting, 1952

Stonewalling Soviets

The Soviets weren't helpful on the matter of the German leader's death.

"The Soviets continued to be difficult. They refused to allow Westerners into Berlin even after the surrender of Dönitz's government and the last armies in the field on May 7-9. On May 10, they announced the existence of the burned bodies in the Chancellory courtyard, but only allowed that one might be Hitler. The same report went on to say that his body might never be found.

"On June 6, a spokesman for the Soviet army in Berlin announced unequivocally that Hitler had committed suicide and that his body had been identified. Three days later, Marshall Zhukov, the head of the Soviet army gave a press conference with Deputy Foreign Minister Andrei Vishinski looking over his shoulder. 'We did not identify the body of Hitler,' he said. 'I can say nothing definite about his fate. He could have flown away from Berlin at the very last moment.'" [Nil Nikandrov ] 

Interview with Basti

In an interview on Deadline – Live, an Argentine news program, journalist Santiago Romero interviewed Abel Basti about Hitler's escape, life in Patagonia, and the events that followed World War Two.  ["Hitler huyó a la Patagonia en un submarino que zarpó desde Vigo" Edited.] (http://www.farodevigo.es/sociedad-cultura/2010/06/06/hitler-huyo-patagonia-submarino-zarpo-vigo/445299.html)

Romero: What is your opinion on Hitler’s escape?

Basti: "Hitler escaped via air from Austria to Barcelona. The last stage of his escape was in a submarine, from Vigo, heading straight to the coast of Patagonia. Finally, Hitler and Eva Braun, in a car with a chauffeur and bodyguard—a motorcade of at least three cars—drove to Bariloche (Argentina).

"He took refuge in a place called San Ramon, about 15 miles east of that town. It is a property of about 250,000 acres with a lake-front view of Lake Nahuel Huapi, which had been German property since the early twentieth century, when it belonged to a German firm by the name of Schamburg-Lippe."

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An alleged Hitler family home: Hacienda San Ramon

Romero: "On what basis do you claim that Hitler was in Spain after leaving his Berlin bunker?"

Basti: "I was able to confirm the presence of Hitler in Spain thanks to a—now elderly—Jesuit priest, whose family members were friends of the Nazi leader. And I have witnesses that allude to meetings he had with his entourage at the place where they stayed in Cantabria.

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Mr. and Mrs Hitler in Spain before voyage to Patagonia

   "In addition, a document of the British secret services reveals that in those days, a Nazi submarine convoy left Spain, and after stopping in the Canary Islands, it continued its journey to the south of Argentina.

"Hitler and Eva Braun traveled onboard one of these submarines, which later arrived in Patagonia between July and August of 1945, under the de facto President Edelmiro Farrell and later Juan Domingo Peron, then his Minister of War. There is also another important document mentioning that the FBI was looking for Hitler in Spain after World War II."

Romero: "From where did he leave to Patagonia?"

Basti: "All the evidence points to the Galician coast, which was a significant base of supplies for Nazi submarines during the Battle of the Atlantic, to the extent that Churchill considered the possibility of invading it—an action that was scrapped when they built the code-breaking “Enigma” machine and managed to decipher Nazi submarine fleet messages and the course of submarine warfare was reversed.

“There is the possibility that he left from Vigo or Ferrol, but it is almost certain that he did from Vigo, according to Britain’s MI6."

Romero: "What was Hitler’s life in Argentina like?"

Basti: "Hitler lived as a fugitive with his wife and his bodyguard. His first years were in Patagonia, and then he lived in the more northern provinces [of Argentina].

"In the early years, he held meetings in different parts of Argentina, and with other Nazis in Paraguay, as well as with sympathizers from foreign countries.

“He shaved his head and mustache, so he was not easily recognizable. He lived away from large urban areas, although he had a few meetings in Buenos Aires. He died in the sixties in Argentina.

“I’m currently investigating where he was buried and how he lived his last days."

Romero: "Did you have access to documents from the former Soviet Union?"

Basti: "Until his death in 1953, Stalin always believed that Hitler had escaped. In 1945, Stalin told the Allies this same information. There are three different shorthand writings in which Stalin mentioned that the German leader had fled.

"In Argentina, I have interviewed people who had seen and met with Hitler. In the Russian archives, there is abundant documentation that shows that Hitler had escaped."

Romero: "How did your book impact the official story of Hitler’s death?"

   Basti: "Despite the recent investigations that proved that Hitler’s remains at the Kremlin in Russia did not belong to him, most Russians have always rejected the theory that he escaped. The same applies to the nations involved in the war.

“The U.S. has just reclassified [under national security auspices] for 20 [more] years all official material related to this story, and when that deadline is met, it will probably be reclassified.

“The British reclassified all related documentation for 60 more years. The researchers cannot access that information."



Also read Before It's News': Irish Soldier: 'I Saved Hitler's Life In 1919' (http://beforeitsnews.com/war-and-conflict/2011/10/irish-soldier-i-saved-hitlers-life-in-1919-1278360.html) - In one of those odd quirks of history, World War II and the 70 million lives lost could have been averted if, on a fateful day during 1919, a young Irishman had let Adolf Hitler die … Instead he unwittingly saved the life of Germany's future Führer.
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Post by: jacob gold on August 19, 2012, 07:49:40 PM
Hitler and Eva with child

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One can only dream
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Post by: Sue on August 19, 2012, 08:12:14 PM
Hitler and Eva with child

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One can only dream

It is truly amazing how much stuff is actually out there in net-land. Facts, fictions, outright lies, you name it...

Adolf Hitler's Secret FBI files

Timothy W Maier

For almost 30 years, J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI maintained a detailed dossier on Adolf Hitler and closely investigated any report that indicated he still was alive.

ADOLF HITLER LIVES -- in cyberspace, that is, where 734 pages of Hitler's raw FBI file can be downloaded from the Internet. The files contain speeches, rare photographs, old newspaper clippings, details about discovery of the Führer's personal notes and chinaware and assassination plots -- as well as an extensive 11-year probe into the possibility that Hitler faked his own death with a bogus suicide in 1945.

At times these files read like a supermarket tabloid, with outrageous conspiracy theories that remind readers that FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover was a suspicious man. At other times, the files reveal how serious the FBI considered allegations that one of this century's most evil despots may have escaped his Berlin Bunker. 

The records begin with President Franklin Roosevelt becoming enraged upon learning of a 1933 New York conspiracy to kill Hitler and continue into the fifties with a Western Union telegram declaring:

I have positive proof that Hitler is living.

There are seven volumes of these records. A photographic exhibit of Hitler in uniform dominates the final volume. Scattered throughout are clippings from newspapers. The last story is a 1956 article about the plans of Hitler's sister, Paula Wolf, to write a book about her brother to "set some facts straight" as soon as a Munich court declares her brother dead. "The readers will forgive me," she says, "if I abstain from depicting my brother at all costs as a wicked character just for the sake of profit." An accompanying Associated Press article noted boldly:

He Is Officially Alive 'Til Court Issues Certificate.

As for that Western Union tipster, the FBI never tracked down the sender nor did it ever identify the members of the 1933 conspiracy plot to kill Hitler. But that plot sure kept Hoover's G-men busy. The file reveals that the plot began when the German Embassy asked the State Department to initiate an investigation based upon a letter signed by a "Daniel Stern," which said that unless FDR rebuked Hitler for his outrages against Jews, then "I notify you that I shall go to Germany and assassinate Hitler."

The State Department handed off the probe to the FBI, which never found Stern. But the probe opened the door for Hoover to look at pro-Nazi organizations. Don Whitehead, one of the few authors to research the plot, wrote about it in his book, The FBI Story, A Report to the People. He calls it a "diplomatic fumble" by the German ambassador in Washington, who probably wished he never had called the State Department. That's because Hoover's investigation ultimately became "a valuable reference when the Department of Justice requested additional investigations. And Hoover passed the information to the president," Whitehead observes.

All of this is in Hitler's FBI file -- even Whitehead's observations.

Between the poor copies -- some nearly impossible to read because, says FBI Freedom of Information Officer Linda Gloss, the copies were not made from originals -- and the heavy black ink blocking out what today still is considered classified, there rests a fascinating tale of the FBI's role during the World War II era.

For example, deep in the files are a series of memos written by Hoover on Oct. 5, 1939, reviewing intelligence from a confidential informant. The Hoover memos to various U.S. military-intelligence agencies and the president's chief of staff warned of future Japanese aggression and Germany's attack on France. "The Japanese will attack British Indochina and other colonies without warning, simultaneously with the German advance on France," Hoover wrote.

For the last nine years of his life Adolf Hitler, a lifelong hypochondriac had as his physician Dr Theodor Morell.

Hitler's mood swings, Parkinson's disease, gastro-intestinal symptoms, skin problems and steady decline until his suicide in 1945 are documented by reliable observers and historians, and in Morell's diaries.

The bizarre and unorthodox medications given to Hitler, often for undisclosed reasons, include topical cocaine, injected amphetamines, glucose, testosterone, estradiol, and corticosteroids.

In addition, he was given a preparation made from a gun cleaner, a compound of strychnine and atropine, an extract of seminal vesicles, and numerous vitamins and 'tonics'.

It seems possible that some of Hitler's behaviour, illnesses and suffering can be attributed to his medical care. Whether he blindly accepted such unorthodox medications or demanded them is unclear.

And there is ample evidence in the files to undermine rumors that Hitler's personal physician tried to poison him or "administer narcotics that might have contributed to the impairment of Hitler's health" or that "Hitler inherited certain [psychophysical] traits in his childhood and later on, and that these might account for his crimes and other actions," according to an FBI investigation into the matter.

The FBI's Hitler files have been available for some time to anyone who cared to schedule an appointment at FBI headquarters in Washington, but few have done so. Two recent critically acclaimed books, Hitler: Diagnosis of a Destructive Prophet by Fritz Redlich and Explaining Hitler by Ron Rosenbaum, fail to mention the FBI files -- although some of the records used to support these authors' opinions, such as Hitler's medical records, are duplicated in the files from other sources.

Redlich and Rosenbaum may have avoided Hitler's FBI file because some of the information there concerns allegations that border on the absurd -- for instance, that Hitler survived the war. Historians generally accept that Hitler committed suicide April 30, 1945, in a Berlin bunker as Allied troops closed in on him. The Soviets recently made available forensic proof of this in their possession since the war's end. But there was no such certainty in the West 50 years ago when opinion polls showed that two of every three Americans believed Hitler indeed was alive. Hoover didn't rule it out but never concluded that the Nazi dictator was dead. Besieged with letters from witnesses swearing they had spotted the defeated Nazi dictator, the files show, the Hitler hunt began.

Some tips were considered credible. One of these came from a doctor who claimed to have treated Hitler for an intestinal disorder in St. Louis -- an alarming story because the FBI obtained Hitler's classified medical records and verified that Hitler suffered from a similar condition. That information was not publicly known at the time.

Other reports simply were bizarre. A 77-year-old man claimed to have found a letter written by Hitler in 1947. "Call it a Hitler hoax, if you will," the man wrote Hoover, "and believe its delivery in German over a USA radio would be the most startling sensation since Orson Welles' attack of the Martians."

During an FBI interview with the elderly man, he admitted to "perpetrating this hoax to create a sensation," according to the interrogating agent's notes. "He seemed to be a psychopathic case," the agent wrote. And that was far from the only nut to roll out of the barrel. Others told tales of Hitler dining in a Washington restaurant in 1946; jumping out of a New Orleans train in 1948; purchasing 8,960 acres of land near Kit Carson, Colo.; and finding work as a butler in London in 1946.

Most of the letters had one thing in common: suspicions and allegations but no proof -- such as this Oct. 15, 1945, letter from a New York man who wrote:

I'll bet a dollar to a doughnut that Hitler is located right in New York City. There's no other city in the world where he could so easily be absorbed. No doubt you have considered this possibility, but I mention it for what it is worth anyway.

As incredible as all of this sounds now, the FBI treated such matters very seriously. If the G-men couldn't chase down the tip, they made every effort to find the tipster and either expose a mistake or identify a prankster or mental case. For instance, on Oct. 10, 1948, a Washington woman who operated a boardinghouse wrote to the FBI, claiming one of her borders was Hitler. She mostly was worried about whether she might be prosecuted for harboring him and wanted to know if any "action could possibly be taken against her." The FBI dismissed the complaint with the note: "She is obviously demented."

But while some sightings were dismissed without an intense investigation, others weren't. The files show that Hoover's G-men conducted a massive manhunt for Hitler on a scale not seen since Charles Lindbergh's baby was kidnapped and murdered, with agents trekking to the four corners of the globe in search of the Nazi leader.

The most frequent sighting was in South America -- a notoriously safe haven for Nazi war criminals, according to the FBI files. And so the FBI dispatched a team of G-men to investigate reports from newspaper articles (many contained in the FBI file) and independent witnesses apparently claiming Hitler was in Argentina.

The Argentina stories intrigued Hoover. In 1944, a year before Hitler's reported death, Hoover received a tip that Hitler would receive refuge in Argentina, according to a Sept. 4, 1944, memo written by an FBI agent. The memo noted that Argentine political leaders had plans to conduct clandestine meetings with Hitler "for the arranging of importing arms and technicians into Argentina." The memo notes that bicycle factories there had been converted to plants for manufacturing munitions and that a "large wealthy German colony in Argentina affords tremendous possibilities" as a refuge for Hitler and his henchmen. "One of the members [of the postwar German planners], Count Luxburg, has been mentioned as operating a ranch which would serve in providing a haven."

Within a year witnesses began flooding the FBI with Hitler sightings in Argentina. Some of these, the FBI rationalized, resulted from tabloid press reports claiming Hitler had escaped and was waiting for war to break out between the Soviet Union and the United States before emerging as a leader in the new world. And there were outspoken Nazi sympathizers such as Otto Abetz, Germany's wartime ambassador to France, boasting that Hitler "is certainly not dead" and was "not a coward -- I believe one day he will return."

The most sensational story appeared June 20, 1948, in El Tiempo, a Spanish newspaper published in Colombia, claiming Hitler had escaped via submarine to Bogotà. The paper provided a detailed account of Hitler's supposedly cowardly flight and fueled dozens of similar stories around the world. Many of those appeared in the FBI files as clippings ranging from obscure magazines to the Associated Press.

One such story claimed that the Swedes observed a mysterious yacht moving in and out of inlets on the North Sea or a Brazilian ship reportedly sunk by an unidentified submarine transporting a woman some claimed to be Eva Braun, Hitler's wife. Braun landed from that submarine off the coast of Argentina, one article claimed. The same article suggested a Japanese navy staff officer had volunteered details of a plan to evacuate Hitler and Braun to Japan after the fall of Germany.

Closer to home a mysterious submarine reportedly was seen about 1,300 miles north of Catalina, Calif., in a location where Theodore Donay, a wealthy Detroit importer, disappeared. According to wire reports, Donay was convicted in 1943 as a traitor for aiding Hans Peter Krug, an escaped Nazi, and never was found.

But none of these reports apparently could be directly linked to Hitler and the FBI repeatedly concluded they were baseless rumors. One agent expressed shock in the files that the Chicago Times carried such rumor and innuendo and chastised an unnamed writer.

His reputation is extremely poor and he is generally considered to be a journalist of the most sensational and unreliable nature.

One reason that Hitler's death was not believed for so long was that the Russians deliberately withheld information, writes Redlich. In fact, it wasn't until Russian journalist Lev Bezymenski  wrote a book translated into English in 1968 that the West learned that the Russians performed autopsies on corpses recovered May 2, 1945, in shallow graves in a garden near the Berlin bunker. The bodies were believed to be Hitler, his wife and their two dogs.

The United States was angered by the slow Russian revelations -- but the Russian government defended its actions, saying 30 years was customary for declassification of secrets. Meanwhile, at the Yalta conference in 1945, Stalin declared that Hitler had escaped.

Further adding to continuing suspicions are the autopsy reports concerning a missing testicle and superficial accounts of main body organs. Indeed, Bezymenski since has acknowledged that the autopsy reports were false, casting more mystery on Hitler's death.

Redlich says:

This only confirms what Western historians and forensic experts suspected: that the Soviet investigation was fraught with deceit, secrecy and incompetence.

Compounding the mystery was how Hitler died. It generally was believed by historians that Hitler bit down on a glass ampoule containing potassium cyanide while shooting himself in the head on April 30, 1945. But Redlich observes:

The question can be raised as to whether Hitler's Parkinson's tremor would have allowed him to follow this procedure.

Proving that theory ended after it was learned that Hitler's remains had been transferred nine times from one burial site to another and, finally, to the Lefortove prison in Moscow where they were cremated.

It wasn't until 1973 when two Western experts in forensic dentistry compared Russian medical reports and X-rays of Hitler's teeth that it became evident that the corpse found outside the bunker indeed was the Führer. For Redlich and others that is enough proof.

It is certain that Hitler, who at present would be over 100 years old, is dead and that he died by suicide. No serious student of history maintains that he escaped with the help of his paladins.

Meanwhile, the definitive proof that the X-rays of the corpse provided by the Russians to that forensic dentistry team are legitimate, rests in a Russian classified vault. What's inside that archive? Hitler's lower jawbone. At least that's what the Russians claim. Such details no doubt are being added to Hitler's FBI file even now.

The FBI believed that Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler faked his suicide in 1945, and tried to track him down for nearly 30 years after his death, according to de-classified files.

On 29 April 1945, Hitler and his lover Eva Braun killed themselves in the Berlin bunker. Now, 66 years on, the FBI files reveal that the US agency had maintained a detailed dossier on the Fuhrer and closely investigated any report that indicated he still was alive.

The files reveal how FBI agents ranch in Argentina, living in a hotel in Denmark and in New York City. He was bearded, clean-shaven, suffered from asthma and stomach ulcers, according to informants who wrote their sightings in to the then FBI director, J Edgar Hoover.

The FBI office in Los Angeles noted on 21 Sept, 1945: "Hitler and 50 of his closest family landed approximately 10 days after the fall of Berlin in two submarines in southern Argentina. Hitler has grown a beard and is hiding on a ranch."

One theory Hoover ordered his agents to pursue was an extensive 11-year probe into the possibility that Hitler faked his own death with a bogus suicide in 1945.

One sighting came from a doctor in 1954 who claimed to have treated Hitler for an intestinal disorder in St Louis. Others told tales of Hitler dining in a Washington restaurant in 1946, The Scotsman reported.



~The Indian Express
April 11, 2011

There always have been doubts as to Hitler's alleged suicide in his bunker in Berlin on April 30, 1945. The most authoritarian doubter was the Russian Dictator Josef Stalin who was convinced that Hitler escaped to Spain in April of 1945.

Even if one takes the submitted Russian report on Hitler's autopsy at face value, there still remains the fact that there was no trace of the corpse of Eva Braun, Hitler's mistress and later wife. This alone disproves the double-suicide theory now part of German history.

There never was an identifiable corpse of Adolf Hitler nor of Eva Braun. The whole suicide story of Hitler rests solely on the concocted testimony of four fanatical Nazis. The Russians found the buried (and un-burned) corpse of the double of Adolf Hitler near the bunker.

An Argentinean researcher has now claimed that Adolf Hitler did not commit suicide in the bunker in Berlin, but in fact fled to Spain in 1945.

Journalist Abel Basti is basing his claim on an FBI document published in 1947 saying the United States was looking for him in Spain, and says he has further proof that Hitler arrived in Spain on April 27 1945, with Eva Braun and 13 others on a flight which landed in Barcelona.

The claim is that Hitler was in Spain for less than a month before using a submarine to escape from Spain to South America.
Index

    Hitler Death and Survival Legends
    The Allies wanted Hitler out, so he magically committed suicide
    Fabricating the Death of Adolf Hitler
    What the Führer‘s Aides saw
    1945: Hitler - Dead or Alive?
    Hitler's Death: Conspiracy and "Operation Myth"
    How Hitler Died
    Burning Hitler
    Doppelganger
    Did Adolf Hitler Really Commit Suicide?
    The Murder of Adolf Hitler
    The Case for Adolf Hitler’s ‘Free Death’
    Hitler "Suicide Guns"
    The Death of Hitler
    Autopsy, Controversy and Urban Myth
    Hitler's Skull and Teeth
    April 30, 1945
    Did Hitler Die on May 1, 1945?
    The Tomb of Adolf Hitler
    Obituaries
    Adolf Hitler's Secret FBI files
    Hitler Still Alive! - National Police Gazette - September, 1965
    Sidelights
    The Blohm & Voss BV222
    Hitler in Spain?
    South America
    Antarctica
    Hitler sought sanctuary in Japan?
    Did Adolf Hitler Escape from Berlim in 1945? The Facts and the Doubts
    The Final Days
    The Black Sun And The German U-Boat Arm

When Russian troops entered Berlin in 1945 confusion surrounded the exact fate of Adolf Hitler. Witnesses from his staff were interrogated and two charred bodies, said to be those of Hitler and Eva Braun, were removed from the rubble of his Bunker for examination. But the Russians kept their findings to themselves, sowing confusion among the allies and stoking rumours that the Führer had survived and escaped.

Recently declassified FBI documents show that the hunt for Hitler continued long after 1945. Reports that he had escaped to Argentina reached FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, who gave them enough credence to send investigators to South America on his trail. For 11 years FBI agents followed up reported sightings of Hitler in the Andes, where a number of high-ranking Nazis had found shelter under the Peron regime, amassing a bizarre array of evidence on Hitler's apparent life in South America.

At the end of World War II hundreds of wanted war criminals succeeded in fleeing to Latin America to escape justice. This much is well known. Yet how was it done? Peron wanted Adolf Hitler to win the war. When defeat seemed inescapable he sent emissaries to Spain to provide material aid - false papers, immigration certificates, boat tickets - to war criminals who had fled there. In 1946 new escape routes were forged from Denmark and Italy, where many Nazis had fled and where governments wished to get rid of them. Quite the most shocking is the role played by the Catholic hierarchy in offering succour to fascists from Catholic Europe trying to evade the law.   

http://tst.greyfalcon.us/fbi.html
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Post by: laconas on August 19, 2012, 09:03:48 PM

I'll add another claim. I knew this old guy 30 or so years ago who was close to Hitler's age. He told me he had met Hitler in the US, in the 1920's, when Hitler visited the US.
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Post by: Sue on August 19, 2012, 09:20:07 PM
I'll add another claim. I knew this old guy 30 or so years ago who was close to Hitler's age. He told me he had met Hitler in the US, in the 1920's, when Hitler visited the US.

He must have been drunk...  ;D

To my knowledge, Hitler never visited the USA.
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Post by: laconas on August 19, 2012, 11:21:23 PM
He must have been drunk...  ;D

To my knowledge, Hitler never visited the USA.

I know the official narrative, he was born in Austria, moved to Germany, and took one trip in all his life to Paris in 1940. But who knows, he was crazy about the USA and could have made some time during the 1920's to take a short vacation.
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Post by: wag on August 20, 2012, 08:07:24 AM
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We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.

Americans equate Obama with socialism.  It's dead here.  We're destined to remain a war-mongering, jew-ligarchy welfare state, and as Putin said, a parasite on the world.
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Post by: Sue on August 22, 2012, 07:49:18 PM
I know the official narrative, he was born in Austria, moved to Germany, and took one trip in all his life to Paris in 1940. But who knows, he was crazy about the USA and could have made some time during the 1920's to take a short vacation.

I have the book here, to my surprise, I found it at our little local library. Actually it should not come as a surprise since this is not complimentary. The title is 'Grey Wolf'. There are 47 research pages at the end. That was a lot of work, all Anti Nazi of course. I have not read the book yet, but I plan to do so.

Of anyone connected to the Allied side are projected as 'Angels'. That's history for you. No wonder Henry Ford had nothing but contempt for it (history).

Nothing mentioned about any trip to the USA.
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Post by: laconas on August 22, 2012, 08:51:30 PM
I can't imagine the Jews writing or allowing a book to be written where Dolf is shown as a regular human being who might have gone on a vacation with crazy flowered shorts and sunglasses.
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Post by: Sue on August 22, 2012, 09:40:52 PM
I can't imagine the Jews writing or allowing a book to be written where Dolf is shown as a regular human being who might have gone on a vacation with crazy flowered shorts and sunglasses.

Heck, nor can I and definitely not in our lifetime.
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Post by: dominique on August 23, 2012, 05:59:38 PM
Nazi Expert: ‘I Have Proof Hitler Died In 1960s’

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Painting depicting an aged Adolf Hitler in his 70s
Kinda looks like Donald Sutherland, to me ;D


Edit to add: I just remembered him playing Hitler's spy/courier "Die Nadel" in the movie version of Ken Follett's "Eye of the Needle." Boy was he creepy and terrifying.
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Post by: EyeBelieve on August 26, 2012, 12:59:26 AM
Rethinking Hitler & National Socialism

I’ve mentioned before that I once bought into Jim Condit, Jr.’s thesis about Adolf Hitler and the NSDAP, namely, that Hitler and many of the top Nazi leaders were either Jews themselves, or puppets of the international bankers and Jewish crime network, operating as part of the bankers controlled opposition in order to facilitate the establishment of the illegitimate, terrorist state of Israel as a safe haven and central headquarters for the global Jewish mafia, in the process fulfilling messianic Jewish prophecy in order to advance what is commonly known as “The New World Order”, whose foundations are laid out in detail in the supremacist Jewish Talmud. However, I’ve always kept an open mind about this and many other subjects, and only recently (i.e., the past six months or so) began to really explore it in greater detail. And I’m now firmly convinced that Condit and others that promote this ridiculous theory about the NSDAP being puppets of the Rothschilds are 100% wrong in their assessment.
Hitler as enabler of Israel is just silly but since both he & his current adherents consider him as a military genius we're reminded that he was an open Anglophile despite the fact that he claimed to oppose int'l jewish capitalism (headquartered in London).  Hitler proposed co-equal empires, a German-continental one along with the British-naval colonialist one.  Silly pipe dream based solely on his fantasy.  Gave Brits a free pass at Dunkirk, Battle of Britain was a hash & he always seemed to assume USA would keep out or not be a factor. 

So you're saying that there's no way Hitler was a London/Rothschild tool?  Back in the 20's he openly laid out his plan in Mein Kampf where he mysteriously forgave Britain for the small matter of gassing him & killing a few million Germans.  Another side of this is current jew neocons screaming constantly for war vs current targets.  They love to promote that London was tricked by Hitler peace moves as evidence that immediate war is always best.  However neocons & conventional historians like to ignore the possibility that Chamberlain was not a dupe but was just cover for British tactic of waiting for best moment to start WWII.
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Post by: Sue on August 26, 2012, 11:04:52 AM
Hitler as enabler of Israel is just silly but since both he & his current adherents consider him as a military genius we're reminded that he was an open Anglophile despite the fact that he claimed to oppose int'l jewish capitalism (headquartered in London).  Hitler proposed co-equal empires, a German-continental one along with the British-naval colonialist one.  Silly pipe dream based solely on his fantasy.  Gave Brits a free pass at Dunkirk, Battle of Britain was a hash & he always seemed to assume USA would keep out or not be a factor.

There Was No Need For World War II

By Alex S. Perry, Jr

There was no need for World War II. Adolf Hitler was doing everything he could to come to peace terms with Britain, but Winston Churchill would not have it. Churchill knew of the many peace offers coming from the German government. He knew that neither Hitler nor any other Nazi leaders wanted to fight Britain.

Winston Churchill wrote to Josef Stalin on January 24, 1944, to tell him that Britain was going to continue the fight to the complete destruction of Germany no matter what. He should have been more exact and said that Britain was going to stay in the war as long as the United States was willing to do most of the fighting and all of the financing.
Churchill's letter read, in part:

    We never thought of peace, not even in that year when we were completely isolated and could have made peace without serious detriment to the British empire, and extensively at your cost. Why should we think of it now when victory approaches for the three of us? [1]

What Churchill meant by "when we were completely isolated" was the time before Russia and the United States became involved. Churchill kept the war going for a purpose. Britain at this time was so weak that Germany could have smashed her within a few weeks. Had Hitler been the kind of man history says he was and had he captured the British army at Dunkirk, which he could easily have done and should have done, he could have written the peace ticket without invading Britain. Churchill's worried son Randolph asked Churchill a few days after he became the prime minister how could he expect to win this war.

Churchill replied, "I shall drag the United States in." [2]

And so he did, and he knew he could. And how did he do it? He could not have dragged the United States in had Franklin Roosevelt not wanted to be dragged in, in the first place. He did it by not giving up - that is, by not accepting the peace terms Germany was offering. Roosevelt's great fear was that the war would be over before America could get in. FDR wanted to go down in history as a wartime president. Roosevelt and Churchill were in secret communication before Churchill became prime minister. This is the reason why Tyler Kent, who worked in the code room in the American Embassy in London beginning in 1939, was thrown in prison as soon as Churchill took office. Kent was sentenced not for anything criminal, but because of what he knew. Roosevelt would not rescue this American citizen from Churchill's clutches because Kent had proof that FDR was promising the British leader that he would eventually come into the war. Churchill records a conversation he and Harry Hopkins had on January 10, 1941:

    The president is determined that we shall win the war together. Make no mistake about it. He has sent me here to tell you that at all costs and by all means he will carry you through, no matter what happens to him. There is nothing that he will not do, so far as he has human power. [3]

Churchill became prime minister on May 10, 1941. When the Germans captured Poland, they found in the Polish archives the evidence about the part FDR played in getting the fuse of World War II lit. These Polish records were transported to Berlin for safekeeping, and when Germany fell to the Allies, they were shipped to Washington, where they were kept under lock and key for about 20 years so that no one could see them.

David Irving reports in Hitler's War what these documents say:

    A different aspect of Roosevelt's policy was revealed by the Polish documents ransacked by the Nazis from the archives of the ruined foreign ministry buildings in Warsaw. The dispatches of the Polish ambassadors in Washington and Paris laid bare Roosevelt's efforts to goad France and Britain into war with Germany while he rearmed the United States and psychologically prepared the American public for war. . . . n spring of 1939, [Ambassador William C.] Bullitt quoted Roosevelt as being determined "not to participate in the war from the start, but to be in at the finish." . . . The Warsaw document left little doubt as to what had stiffened Polish resistance during the August 1939 crisis.

    Irving quotes Baron von Weizsaecker as saying that Hitler "had set his heart on peace" and Hitler as saying "The survival of the British empire is in Germany's interest too." Hitler "felt he had repeatedly extended the hand of peace and friendship to the British, and each time they had blackened his eye in reply." [4]

Prof. G.C. Tansill's Back Door to War, Chap. XXIII, states that it was Roosevelt, above all others, who was working unceasingly for war. Tansill cites evidence to show that Roosevelt was using every channel at his disposal to encourage Chamberlain to go to war with Germany. Roosevelt was telling Britain and France that he would come to their aid at once should they go to war against the Germans. Ambassador Joseph P. Kennedy was repeatedly telling Chamberlain that America would rush to the assistance of Britain and France in the event of unprovoked aggression, and Bullitt was encouraging France to believe the same thing. [5]

Likewise Eleanor Roosevelt reveals that her husband was not surprised nor upset, although he allowed the public to draw the impression that he was, with the attack on Pearl Harbor. The disaster at Pearl "was a great fulfillment" as far as Roosevelt's worry over the matter was involved, and Mrs. Roosevelt "tells us that he was more 'serene' than he had been for a long time." [6]

Hitler's mistake in not capturing Britain right away was based on his belief that he was in contact with a strong peace movement in England. The peace movement was controlled by Churchill, but Hitler did not know this. All the German letters and messages sent to the peace movement were intercepted by the British government. Rudolf Hess was invited to come to Britain by this fake peace movement to discuss and make plans for peace. The sole purpose for this deception of the Germans was to delay the end of the war with Germany until the United States could involve itself.

The peace offer Hitler had in mind, if Britain would assume a neutral position, was such an astounding offer that Herbert Hoover, when he was told of Hitler's terms from Ambassador Kennedy, gasped: "Why didn't the British accept?" "Nothing but Churchill's bullheadedness," replied Kennedy. [7] Kennedy's statement was enough to condemn Churchill as a war criminal.

At the height of Hitler's power, the German chancellor offered to withdraw from France, Denmark and Norway. [8] He proposed to roll back his army without a shot being fired. He would make peace with England even if England would not agree to return the German colonies, which Britain had taken from Germany at the end of World War I. [9]

Hitler did not want war. He was so against war that he said it would not do Germany any good, even if Germany won the war, as war would put an end to all his plans. "Hitler was not thinking of war," Albert Forster, 36-year-old district leader of Danzig, told Churchill, as "the Führer's immense social and cultural plans would take years to fulfill." [10]

Hitler expressed this opinion: "A European war would be the end of all our efforts even if we should win, because the disappearance of the British empire would be a misfortune which could not be made up again." [11] He told the Dutch fascist leader Anton Mussert: "We have not the slightest reason to fight Britain. Even if we win, we gain nothing." [12] Hitler was such an admirer of the British empire that he offered to defend the empire anywhere in the world with German troops should Britain ever need them. [13]

Hitler did not want to take over the world. This idea is British propaganda. Churchill and Roosevelt wanted war, and they forced it on Germany. Hitler did all he could to be friendly with Britain and France. The duke of Windsor thought, in July 1940, that the war was allowed to go on only because certain British politicians and statesmen - if they can be called anything that sounds so dignified - had to have a reason to save their faces, even if this meant that the British empire would be bankrupted and shattered. [14]

Churchill and Roosevelt knew what was going on. Churchill bragged that "War is a game that has to be played with a smiling face." [15] Surely, they must have thought the tricks they were playing on their own countries and the world as something funny. But at the same time, millions of British and American soldiers and civilians were persuaded to look upon this war as something serious. They had no choice. Misleading the public is truly the mark of a cynical politician and the dishonest news media, in time of war as well as at other times.

One of the meanest tricks Churchill played on the Germans was the trick he played on Hess. On May 10, 1941, Hitler's right-hand man flew alone to the duke of Hamilton's estate in Scotland. He expected to land at an airfield nearby. But when he got there, he could not find the airfield and had to bail out. Not knowing how to do this, he had great trouble getting out of the plane. Finally, he turned the plane over and fell out. It was Hess's first time to use a parachute. Hess was expecting to be received with dignity. Instead, he was seized, thrown into prison and held incommunicado the rest of his life. He was charged with "crimes against peace" at Nuremberg and sentenced to life imprisonment. The last 20 years of his life, he was held in solitary confinement and not allowed to see his wife or son. Hess was given the heaviest sentence possible - a sentence worse than death. Hess's flight to Britain was done in the hope that he could convince the British government to make peace with Germany. Because of Hess's efforts to bring peace to Europe, he became truly a "prisoner of peace."

The old saw, "All's fair in war," can never be applied to Hess. The treatment he received from the Allies from May 10, 1941, until the day he died was a crime. [16] Hess would not have made his flight to Britain had not he and Hitler, in their anxiousness for peace, been fooled into believing that they were in contact with a strong peace party in Britain. There had been a strong peace party in Britain at one time, but most of its members had been thrown in jail by Churchill's administration, and the rest could not express themselves.

Churchill had, so he told his secretary in a discussion about British aid to Russia, "only one purpose: the destruction of Hitler. And my life is much simplified thereby." [17]

It would have been much easier and less costly in lives and materials, not only for the British but also for the Germans and Americans, to have encouraged the Germans to eliminate Hitler instead of trying to eliminate both the Germans and Hitler. "Unconditional surrender" sounds melodic, inspiring and dramatic. But this is all the value it had. It led the people in the Allied nations to think the Germans would never give up until they were totally demolished. It prolonged the war and made it even more bitter.

There is a hint that Hitler would have volunteered to retire had his retirement meant that Britain would have assumed a friendly attitude toward Germany. Days before the beer hall bomb [Munich, November 8, 1939] there was a hint that Hitler was prepared to go very far, indeed. German Prince Max Hohenlohe had spoken in Switzerland with representatives of Vansittart, secretary of the British Foreign Office, returning to Germany to report to Göring that peace with England was possible, but only with Hitler and Ribbentrop removed from power. One observer recorded in his diary that Göring replied that Hitler would agree to this. [18]

Mary Ball Martinez's in Pope Pius XII During the Second World War states:

    To their astonishment, the four Jesuit historians came upon records documenting the personal involvement of Pius XII in a plot to overthrow Hitler. In January 1940, he was approached by the agent of a certain clique of German generals, who asked him to tell the British government that they would undertake to "remove" Hitler if they were given assurances that the British would come to terms with a moderate German regime. Pius XII promptly passed along this message to Sir D'Arcy Osborne, Britain's envoy to the Holy See. The offer was turned down. [19]

However, on a number of occasions the Germans had offered to remove Hitler from power if they were given reasonable peace terms for doing so. Joseph E. Davies, at a town hall meeting in Los Angeles, January 20, 1943, disclosed that the Germans had offered to retire Hitler in 1940 if the British would make peace with Germany. [20] If the Germans could get rid of Hitler anytime they desired, then Hitler's "total dictatorial control" over Germany was not so total and not so dictatorial as believers in the war propaganda think, and the Germans were not his robotic slaves.

Hans Kohn reviewed John Scott's Duel for Europe in the December 14, 1942 New Republic. He stated, "If Britain had wished to make peace with Germany, she could have done it easily in 1939, in the summer of 1940, and again in the spring of 1941." It was not Hitler and Germany who could be described accurately as the war maniacs. The war maniacs were Roosevelt and Churchill and their backers, such as Bernard Baruch and Samuel Untermeyer.

One of the reasons used to justify the destruction of the Nazi system was that Hitler was a dictator. It was assumed that the Germans could not get rid of him. But why should the happiest people in the world, as David Lloyd George spoke of the Germans after Hitler came to power, want to dispose of their leader? The "unconditional surrender" declaration should dispel all thought about Hitler being in absolute command of everything in Germany. It was not the Germans who were forcing Hitler upon themselves. Roosevelt and Churchill were doing it for them, and for the sole purpose of keeping the war going as long as possible.

How did Hitler become the German leader? British history professor A.J.P. Taylor gives the answer in The Origins of the Second World War:

    Hitler was appointed chancellor by President Hindenburg in a strictly constitutional way and for solidly democratic reasons. [21]

    Conservative politicians led by Papen . . . recommended him to Hindenburg [and] kept the key posts for themselves. [22]

    He did not "seize" power. He waited for it to be thrust upon him by the men who had previously tried to keep him out. In January 1933, Papen and Hindenburg were imploring him to become chancellor, and he graciously consented. [23]

Germany never threatened Britain. Hitler had always wanted to be a good neighbor and a good friend to the British. As late as January 29, 1942, after Britain had been at war with Germany for two years and five months, Hitler expressed a desire to help the British by sending them 20 divisions to aid them in throwing the Japanese invaders out of Singapore. [24] He bent over backwards in showing his earnestness and generosity. He never would have gone to war against the British if the British had not attacked Germany, or, as Churchill blazoned, "We entered the war of our free will, without ourselves being directly assaulted." [25]

Churchill was not elected - as Hitler was in Germany - to be the prime minister by the British people. Churchill was put in power by the "powers behind the scenes" for the sole purpose of keeping the war going. Churchill's job was not to make peace but to make war.

In August 1941, Roosevelt and Churchill hypocritically said in the third point of the Atlantic Charter that they respected "the right of all peoples to choose the form of government under which they will live." Unless the words "all peoples" do not mean what they say, then this article clearly applies as much to the Germans as to anyone else. As soon as the tide of battle began to favor the British empire, Churchill threw off the pretended cloak of righteousness and became openly arrogant. He said in Parliament on September 2, 1943:

The twin roots of all our evils, Nazi tyranny and Prussian militarism, must be extirpated. Until this is achieved, there are no sacrifices we will not make and no lengths in violence to which we will not go. [26]

Of this Nazi tyranny and Churchill's eager desire to get rid of it, it should be pointed out that the Germans were not oppressing the British people and if the Germans wanted to live under their "tyrannical" form of government, it was none of Britain's business. The Atlantic Charter gave the Germans this right. Churchill did not object to Soviet tyranny, for he hailed Russia as a welcome ally when she came into the war. So it turns out the democracies were at war with Germany to force Germany to set up a democratic form of government, even though Hitler had been democratically elected and Churchill had not.

The sixth point in the Atlantic Charter called for the "destruction of Nazi tyranny" only and no other tyranny. Therefore, according to the charter, other tyrannies could live, thrive and be supported. It may be noted that the sixth point contradicts the third point. The sixth point was the same as a "secret" declaration of war against Germany. Therefore, the United States was really in the war against Germany long before Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. Hitler's declaration of war against the United States was made to keep his promise to Japan and to set things straight in the world as they really were. This declaration made it legal for the German navy to shoot back at the American ships in the Atlantic.

Roosevelt ordered, in April 1941, American warships to seek out and follow German ships and to radio their locations every four hours so British warships could come and open an attack. Roosevelt commanded American warships to "shoot on sight" at German submarines on September 11, 1941. [27]

Adm. Stark, chief of naval operations, wrote Adm. Hart on November 7, 1941: "The Navy is already in the War of the Atlantic, but the country doesn't seem to realize it. Apathy, to the opposition, is evident in a considerable section of the press. Whether the country knows it or not, we are at war." [28]

All this was in flagrant defiance of Roosevelt's promise to Americans that we would not enter any war unless we were attacked. These orders made America an aggressor nation. American leaders, with their pretended righteousness, failed in their efforts to be the first "victims," but this did not prevent them from pretending to be, and the nation from believing they were. American leaders were the victimizers, in many ways.

The war in the Pacific was also kept going much longer than necessary. Before the Germans were allowed to "surrender" and before the atom bombs were dropped, the Japanese were asking for peace. Gen. Douglas McArthur recommended negotiations on the basis of the Japanese overtures. But FDR brushed off this suggestion with the remark: "McArthur is our greatest general and our poorest politician." [29] This is the answer in a nutshell to why the war was allowed to go on and on, when it could have been over any day from 1943 on. It did not even have to have started in the first place, except that FDR wanted it to start.

Clare Booth Luce said at the Republican Party Convention in 1944 that Roosevelt "lied us into the war." To get America into the war, FDR provoked the Japanese to attack. At the same time, American boys were battling to end World War II, leading American politicians were doing all they could for political reasons to continue the conflict.

President Harry Truman, in early May 1945, informed Herbert Hoover "of the extensive Japanese peace offers and admitted then that further fighting with the Japanese was really unnecessary. But Truman also disclosed to Hoover that he did not feel strong enough to challenge Secretary Stimson and the Pentagon."

References:
[1] Walendy, Udo, The Methods of Reeducation, p. 3.
[2] Kilzer, Louis C., Churchill's Deception, p. 20.
[3] Churchill, Winston, The Grand Alliance, p. 23.
[4] Irving, David, Hitler's War, p. 35.
[5] Tansill, G.C., Back Door to War, pp. 450-51.
[6] Crocker, George Crocker, Roosevelt's Road to Russia, p. 81.
[7] Irving, ibid., p. 418.
[8] Kilzer, ibid., pp. 69-70.
[9] Kilzer, ibid., p. 221.
[10] Irving, ibid., p. 121.
[11] McLaughlin, Michael, For Those Who Cannot Speak, p. 10.
[12] Irving, ibid., p. 511.
[13] Barnes, Harry Elmer, Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace, p. 162; and Irving, ibid., p. 371.
[14] Irving, ibid., xvi.
[15] Walendy, ibid., p. 3.
[16] The Barnes Review, July/August 2001.
[17] Churchill, ibid., p. 370.
[18] Kilzer, ibid., p. 183.
[19] Journal of Historical Review, Sept./Oct. 1993, p. 27.
[20] Leese, Arnold, The Jewish War of Survival, p. 20.
[21] Ibid., p. 97.
[22] Ibid., p. 79.
[23] Ibid., p. 101
[24] Irving, ibid., p. 371.
[25] Martin, James J., The Saga of Hog Island, p. 42.
[26] Grenfell, Capt. Russell, Unconditional Hatred, p. 92.
[27] Barnes, ibid., p. 487.
[28] Tansill, ibid., p. 645.
[29] Chamberlin, William Henry, America's Second Crusade, p. 219.

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So you're saying that there's no way Hitler was a London/Rothschild tool?  Back in the 20's he openly laid out his plan in Mein Kampf where he mysteriously forgave Britain for the small matter of gassing him & killing a few million Germans.  Another side of this is current jew neocons screaming constantly for war vs current targets.  They love to promote that London was tricked by Hitler peace moves as evidence that immediate war is always best.  However neocons & conventional historians like to ignore the possibility that Chamberlain was not a dupe but was just cover for British tactic of waiting for best moment to start WWII.

You have to figure this out yourself, EB. I cannot guarantee anything, except, that we know the Victors write the history. 
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Post by: Sue on August 26, 2012, 04:23:35 PM
SEPT 1, 1939   

GAME ON!

GERMANY INVADES POLAND
   As the German army advances eastward, the badly beaten Polish forces withdraw rapidly.



SEPT 3,1939   

"BLOODY SUNDAY"       

JEWS MURDER 1000+ GERMAN CIVILIANS IN BROMBERG
   
Red Jewish terrorists rape, torture and massacre 1000+ German civilians in the town of Bromberg, Poland.

The Massacre is known as "Bloody Sunday".

(http://www.tomatobubble.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/214t8ic.jpg.w300h203.jpg) (http://www.tomatobubble.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/3332.jpg.w180h167.jpg) We know that this is true.



SEPT 3,1939
   
UK & FRANCE DECLARE WAR UPON GERMANY
   
The world press shrieks in horror over Germany's "aggression" as Britain & France declare war!
The Bromberg butchery of innocent Germans is ignored.
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Post by: laconas on August 26, 2012, 06:57:34 PM
SEPT 1, 1939   

GAME ON!

GERMANY INVADES POLAND
   As the German army advances eastward, the badly beaten Polish forces withdraw rapidly.



SEPT 3,1939   

"BLOODY SUNDAY"       

JEWS MURDER 1000+ GERMAN CIVILIANS IN BROMBERG
   
Red Jewish terrorists rape, torture and massacre 1000+ German civilians in the town of Bromberg, Poland.

The Massacre is known as "Bloody Sunday".

(http://www.tomatobubble.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/214t8ic.jpg.w300h203.jpg) (http://www.tomatobubble.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/3332.jpg.w180h167.jpg) We know that this is true.



SEPT 3,1939
   
UK & FRANCE DECLARE WAR UPON GERMANY
   
The world press shrieks in horror over Germany's "aggression" as Britain & France declare war!
The Bromberg butchery of innocent Germans is ignored.

Jews are very brave fighters against German women and children, and Palestinian schoolgirls.
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Post by: EyeBelieve on August 27, 2012, 06:23:01 PM

You have to figure this out yourself, EB. I cannot guarantee anything, except, that we know the Victors write the history.

Some good info above.  True that Hitler & Germany were between a rock and a hard place but OTOH Britain didn't win WWI just to let Germany reassert greatness.  Yes Hitler hated the Soviets & considered the Brits racial kin but really he might have put some of those considerations aside at least temporarily.  Hindight is 20/20 but Hitler wanted a permanent alliance with Britain which was pretty unheard of except, sort of, by France which was a special case being located next to UK. 

Perhaps we should have more threads about Bismarck who was tough but visionary & accomplished a lot for Germany.  I link a short article below if you have time to check it out.  It describes Bismarck's history, friendship with certain Americans (ie he admired the "American System" of protectionism, infrastructure improvement etc).  It also contradicts the conventional history cartoon of "Iron & Blood" Bismarck  being the same type as the woeful Kaiser Wilhelm.

http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2006/2006_10-19/2006_10-19/2006-17/pdf/58-65_617_histbismarck.pdf (http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2006/2006_10-19/2006_10-19/2006-17/pdf/58-65_617_histbismarck.pdf)

From a foreign policy standpoint, Germany was “saturated” from 1871 on, as Bismarck told Motley during their Varzin visit. His sole aim had been to head off a combination of Great Powers directed against Germany. While Bismarck was in power, it worked—and the same was true of German-American relations.
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Post by: Sue on August 27, 2012, 10:14:13 PM
Some good info above.  True that Hitler & Germany were between a rock and a hard place but OTOH Britain didn't win WWI just to let Germany reassert greatness.  Yes Hitler hated the Soviets & considered the Brits racial kin but really he might have put some of those considerations aside at least temporarily.  Hindight is 20/20 but Hitler wanted a permanent alliance with Britain which was pretty unheard of except, sort of, by France which was a special case being located next to UK. 

Perhaps we should have more threads about Bismarck who was tough but visionary & accomplished a lot for Germany.  I link a short article below if you have time to check it out.  It describes Bismarck's history, friendship with certain Americans (ie he admired the "American System" of protectionism, infrastructure improvement etc).  It also contradicts the conventional history cartoon of "Iron & Blood" Bismarck  being the same type as the woeful Kaiser Wilhelm.

http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2006/2006_10-19/2006_10-19/2006-17/pdf/58-65_617_histbismarck.pdf (http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2006/2006_10-19/2006_10-19/2006-17/pdf/58-65_617_histbismarck.pdf)

From a foreign policy standpoint, Germany was “saturated” from 1871 on, as Bismarck told Motley during their Varzin visit. His sole aim had been to head off a combination of Great Powers directed against Germany. While Bismarck was in power, it worked—and the same was true of German-American relations.

Thanks EB, I will read it tomorrow.

The American diplomat John Lothrop Motley (left) and Prussian
Chancellor Otto von Bismarck were life-long friends. Motley
described Bismarck as “a man of great talent and iron will,” noting
that despite their differing political views, their friendship didn’t
suffer, and “probably no man living knows him as intimately as I
do.”

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Post by: Sue on August 27, 2012, 10:39:07 PM
Long article:

Otto Eduard Leopold von Bismarck (1 April 1815-30 July 1898) was a Prussian Germanian statesman and aristocrat of the 19th century. As Minister-President of Prussia from 1862–1890, he oversaw the unification of Germania. In 1867 he became Chancellor of the North Germanian Confederation. When the Holy Germanian Empire was formed in 1871, he served as its first Chancellor until 1890 and practiced Realpolitik, which gained him the nickname "The Iron Chancellor". As Chancellor, Bismarck held an important role in the Germanian government and greatly influenced Germanian and international politics both during and after his time of service.

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Bismarck's most important legacy is the unification of Germania. Germania had existed as a collection of hundreds of separate principalities and Free Cities since the formation of the Holy Roman Empire. Over the next thousand years various kings and rulers had tried to unify the Germanian states without success until Bismarck. Largely as a result of Bismarck's efforts, the various Germanian kingdoms were united into a single country. Following unification, Germania became one of the most powerful nations in CP. Bismarck's astute, cautious, and pragmatic foreign policies allowed Germania to retain peacefully the powerful position into which he had brought it; maintaining amiable diplomacy with almost all Capitalist nations.

In British writing (eg. the biographies by Taylor, Palmer or Crankshaw) Bismarck is often seen as an ambivalent figure, undoubtedly a man of great skill but who left no lasting system in place to guide successors less skilled than himself.

During most of his nearly 30 year-long tenure, Bismarck held undisputed control over the government's policies. He was well supported by his friend Albrecht von Roon, the war minister, as well as the leader of the Prussian army Helmuth von Moltke. Bismarck's diplomatic moves relied on a victorious Prussian military, and these two people gave Bismarck the victories he needed to convince the smaller German states to join Prussia.

Bismarck took steps to silence or restrain political opposition, as evidenced by laws restricting the freedom of the press, the Kulturkampf, and the anti-socialist laws. His king (later Emperor) Willhelm I of Holy Germania rarely challenged the Chancellor's decisions; on several occasions, Bismarck obtained his monarch's approval by threatening to resign. However, Willhelm II intended to govern the country himself, making the ousting of Bismarck one of his first tasks as Emperor. Bismarck's successors as Chancellor were barely powerful, as power was concentrated in the Emperor's hands.

http://imagine.wikia.com/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck
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Post by: Sue on August 28, 2012, 04:07:04 PM
“Criticism can be expressed only through a Free Press!'' 
My sentiment entirely!

This was a very good read, EB.

How right he was:

From a foreign policy standpoint, Germany was “saturated” from 1871 on, as Bismarck told Motley during their Varzin visit. His sole aim had been to head off a combination of Great Powers directed against Germany.

While Bismarck was in power, it worked—and the same was true of German-American relations.
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Post by: EyeBelieve on August 28, 2012, 07:16:19 PM

Today I was thinking of how MSM never allows anything positive to be said about Hitler/NS...actually it's pretty amazing how US MSM never has any positive thing to say about almost any foreign country.  Verboten to think that anyone else might have good ideas or programs.
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Post by: Sue on August 28, 2012, 08:06:07 PM
Today I was thinking of how MSM never allows anything positive to be said about Hitler/NS...actually it's pretty amazing how US MSM never has any positive thing to say about almost any foreign country.  Verboten to think that anyone else might have good ideas or programs.

When you look at all the bad propaganda throughout history, you know that the power of the press (including TV and Radio, magazines, news papers) is so immense, they can print anything.

They can virtually break you ~ or ~ make you. 
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Post by: burford on August 28, 2012, 08:33:12 PM
Today I was thinking of how MSM never allows anything positive to be said about Hitler/NS...actually it's pretty amazing how US MSM never has any positive thing to say about almost any foreign country.  Verboten to think that anyone else might have good ideas or programs.

The NIH syndrome (Not Invented Here).
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Post by: Sue on August 29, 2012, 12:53:16 PM
See also Walt's post here: http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=24181.0;topicseen

If Hitler Won World War II We'd Have A Better, More Just World Today
By James Miller
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Post by: Germanic American Fox on March 08, 2013, 05:34:13 AM
I don't know if this is the appropriate place to post this, but concerning Hitler, my favorite quote from him about the jews is this one, concerning their method of argument (I used to post this a few times back in the Nolajbs days):

http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch02.html



All that said, Hitler really started to lose it mentally some time after America got involved in WWII. I don't know if it was the speed, the juice (steroids) he was shooting, and/or some ingrained mental illness. Not to say he wasn't brilliant, just crazy in his later life.
I would say I have met Gentiles with the exact same behavioral patterns! Republican Libertarians pretty much behave that way as well... I would say that is not Genetic but brainwashing!
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Post by: Sue on March 08, 2013, 09:51:38 AM
"Umpteen" 'choices'? No, more like two, if you're lucky. In many offices (particularly local), sometimes there is only one.

That's why we desperately need NOTA on the ballot. If NOTA wins, it's a do-over with a clean slate of candidates.

Use your head - Umpteen choices of available 'tools'. 
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Post by: Sue on March 08, 2013, 10:50:08 AM
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How did Hitler really die?

By HANNAH BROWN ~ 12/29/2012 20:25

A new documentary claims the Nazi leader did not commit suicide in his bunker towards the end of WWII.

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Eva Braun with Adolf Hitler Photo: Jerusalem Post Archives

Hitler’s last days were not spent in his Berlin bunker, but in tranquil luxury in an Argentine hotel – at least, that’s the story that director/ producer Noam Shalev and researcher Pablo Weschler are trying to prove in their upcoming documentary, Revealed: Hitler in Argentina, set for release next year.

“We will never know the truth,” Shalev cautions, sitting in the offices of Highlight Films, the video production company he and Weschler run in Bnei Brak. “But there is enough evidence to build an alternative theory about what happened to Hitler.”

“No one believed the Russians’ story of Hitler’s suicide in the bunker,” says Weschler. “As early as the summer of 1945, there were headlines asking, ‘Where is Hitler?’ all over the world.”


One difficulty in confirming the basic facts of Hitler’s suicide with his wife, Eva Braun, in the final days of the Allies’ approach to Berlin, was that the Russian troops did not give access to many forensic investigators. Shalev and Weschler believe that British intelligence officer and historian Hugh Trevor-Roper’s investigation was rushed and “unprofessional.”

But what inspired them to begin making their film about the evidence they believe leads to proof of Hitler’s secret flight to Argentina were recently declassified FBI documents.

“In those days, the FBI, not the CIA, was responsible for South America,” explains Weschler. “And in declassified documents, we see that the FBI took very seriously the possibility that Hitler fled to Argentina.”

The FBI set up a special unit to investigate this possibility.

Shalev and Weschler are convinced they have gathered significant evidence that pinpoints Hitler’s whereabouts during the years following World War II. Inspired by the book Hitler’s Escape by Italian journalist Patrick Burnside, they have done their own research as well.

“When Burnside published his book, in 1998, he got thousands of e-mails from people coming forward with information,” says Shalev. “Some of them were crazy, of course, but he had enough information to do more research and write another book.”

The manuscript of that book, which will be published next year, was a useful guide for Shalev and Weschler, and led them to a famous hotel.

“The Eden Hotel in La Falda, Cordoba [in Argentina] was owned by Ida and Walter Eichhorn, who were close friends of Hitler,” explains Weschler. “Hitler sent them a Mercedes Benz as a gift. It was the first Benz in Argentina.”

The once-opulent hotel, now in ruins, was the site of lavish parties, and a host of notables, including Albert Einstein, stayed there in the Twenties and Thirties. The Eichhorns were very vocal in their support for the Nazi party, and made financial contributions.

They also broadcast speeches Hitler’s, whenever he spoke on the radio, throughout the hotel.

Citing a September 1945 letter from the FBI (one of the documents declassified in the Nineties), Weschler points to the lines that show that the FBI believed that if Hitler got into trouble, he could always find a safe haven with the Eichhorns if he could manage to get there. Weschler found former employees of the hotel who say they met and waited on Hitler after the war there.

“It was easy for them to recognize him, because his picture was all over the hotel,” says Weschler. He says that his research shows that Hitler moved on from the hotel to an isolated rural estate in Argentina, where he lived out his days with Braun and their two daughters, and that he died in the mid-Sixties.

Particularly persuasive evidence, according to Weschler, is DNA testing done in 2009 on Hitler’s skull fragments that were recovered from the bunker.

“They showed that they couldn’t have been Hitler’s skull because they were from a woman under 40,” says Weschler, a finding that was reported in the mainstream press.

“DNA doesn’t lie,” he says. “The more you look into it, the less credible the official version becomes, and the more plausible an alternative theory seems.”


Adolf Hitler film Noam Shalev Pablo Weschler Revealed Hitler in Argentina
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Post by: BlackVeil on March 08, 2013, 01:05:00 PM
That is an intriguing theory, and I have always wondered why the Russians did not allow any outside authorities to survey the bunker and Hitler's death.
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Post by: wag on March 08, 2013, 02:32:29 PM
That is an intriguing theory, and I have always wondered why the Russians did not allow any outside authorities to survey the bunker and Hitler's death.

Hitler's escape would have embarrassed and infuriated the jews.  WWII is all full of big lies.
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Post by: laconas on March 08, 2013, 02:59:04 PM
Quote
“We will never know the truth,” Shalev cautions, sitting in the offices of Highlight Films, the video production company he and Weschler run in Bnei Brak. “But there is enough evidence to build an alternative theory about what happened to Hitler.”


We might learn the truth and we might never learn the truth--50/50, but we can be 100% certain the truth won't be coming from a Jewish source.
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Post by: Railroad Bum on March 08, 2013, 04:45:06 PM
"Hitler’s last days were not spent in his Berlin bunker, but in tranquil luxury in an Argentine hotel"


I hope so.  I also have fantasies about Fu fighters and Fu bombers coming swooping out of underground Antarctic bases!
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Post by: EyeBelieve on March 08, 2013, 06:08:34 PM
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How did Hitler really die?
You think there's a chance that, at least, Hitler could have escaped Berlin?  Seem doubtful, let alone the Argentina trip.  BTW, curious about posters' opinions on Hitler's last will & testament?  Actually I just found some interesting info so I'm gonna post a separate thread.
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Post by: Sue on September 20, 2013, 12:37:53 PM
Rethinking Hitler & National Socialism

'He watched as cyanide was slipped into his dog’s mouth. He was emotionless. He only wanted to know if it worked': Hitler's confidantes describe his last days in extraordinary never-before-seen interviews

    Filmed testimonies about Hitler were made three years after the war
    Favourite secretary revealed he received love letters from followers
    Hitler's air force aide reported the poisoning of Hitler's beloved Alsatian dog
    Butler revealed song Blood Red Roses was favourite of Hitler and Eva
    It was claimed that Hitler loved gossip in the programme broadcast this week

By Allan Hall

PUBLISHED: 10:21 GMT, 1 May 2013 | UPDATED: 13:53 GMT

Remarkable interviews with the circle of confidantes who surrounded Adolf Hitler in the days before his suicide have been shown for the first time on German television.

In testimony from beyond the grave, the group of aides, secretaries and friends described life in the squalid bunker retreat beneath the Reich Chancellery in Berlin as Russian troops moved in.

They revealed intimate domestic details of Hitler's favourite tea, the love letters from his admirers and the love song that he and Eva Braun, the woman he married in the underground hide, listened to over and over again.

Continue here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2317588/Adolf-Hitlers-confidantes-days-extraordinary-seen-interviews.html
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Post by: Sue on September 20, 2013, 12:52:59 PM
How Did Hitler Die?

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The death of Adolf Hitler is one of the most discussed topics in Holocaust resources. People are interested in finding out how this powerful man actually came to death. Most are interested in seeing what happened because they want to know that he was properly punished for his crimes. Others are interested in knowing how Hitler died simply because they want to get the details behind his suicide. That's right. Adolf Hitler committed suicide with his wife on April 30, 1945. While it is told that he did this to avoid 'making a spectacle of himself', the actual reasons are known only to Hitler himself.
 
A lot of people also look at the Nazi ideal of 'death before dishonor', to which some attribute the suicide of Hitler and many other Nazi Party members who also chose this route for their own deaths. The reasoning might never actually be known, but the method is described in detail in most Hitler biographies and resources that outline his rise and fall as the Fuhrer of the Third Reich during the 1930s and 40s. Adolf Hitler and his wife were married just 40 hours before their death, in a small civil ceremony. They spent the remaining hours with others before retiring to Hitler's personal study around 3:00 PM on April 30th.
 
Since Hitler had known for many weeks that he was going to commit suicide, he had a plan in place. An SS doctor had instructed him that suicide by cyanide poisoning followed by a gunshot to the head was most effective. Therefore, he obtained cyanide for him and his wife and waited until the time was right. They both ingested the cyanide, and before it took effect Hitler shot himself in the head with his own pistol. Eva Braun, his wife, did not suffer a gunshot wound. She apparently died from acute cyanide poisoning.
 
It's not known whether Eva didn't want to shoot herself, if Hitler couldn't bring himself to shoot her, or what the case may have been. He likely shot himself to ensure that he died in the event that the poison was not effective enough. There is a lot of speculation about why Eva Braun was not also shot, but it's an answer that no one will truly ever know. Although many people see suicide as a cowardly way out, it was the preferred method for Adolf Hitler and many of his leading men who didn't want to face public persecution for their crimes against humanity.