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Title: * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on March 26, 2012, 05:25:16 PM
What did actually happen to Germany in the years AFTER 1945 (“PEACE TIME”)?

Peter Stuyvesant published 20/03/2012 ~ source (http://globalfire.tv/nj/12en/history/winter_45.htm)

1 LOSS of TERRITORY : About 40 % of the German populated areas within the prewar borders of Germany were given to Poland, CSR, even the Soviet Union, or forced into separation (Austria).

2 EXPULSION: 20 million Germans were expelled from their homes, houses, farms in Eastern parts of Germany or areas in East Europe.They were killed, forced into concentration camps, forced labor and survivors deported to the West.

3 MURDER and RAPE : During the process of expulsion, 3 million German civilians were killed in unforgettable atrocities. Around two million girls and women were raped.

4 PRISONERS of WAR: Three million POW’s were killed, mostly by deliberate starvation, one million in the “Eisenhower annihilation camps” (www.Rheinwiesenlager.de )

5 FORCED LABOR: Millions of German POW’s were subjected to forced labor in many countries including those of the Western Allies. Around one million German civilians, men and women, were gathered on the streets and deported for forced labor.

6 STARVATION: Deliberate starvation of the German population that had survived the bombing raids by a range of harsh and cruel measures of the Allied forces, especially the Americans. 6,5 million German died from starvation and exhaustion from 1945 until 1950.

7 “PAPERCLIP”: All German patents and trademarks were robbed. Allied transports of patent specifications, proprietary drawings, formulas of dyes, medicaments, synthetic materials, work drawings, prototypes, proprietary specifications of technical procedures amounted to many shiploads. Many scientists were deported or “invited” to work in the Allied countries.

8 GOLD and ARTS: The German Gold reserves were stolen and transported to the US. The wealth of German museums as well as private property was robbed.

9 DE-INDUSTRIALIZATION: The German factories that had survived the bombing raids were dismantled (“DEMONTAGE”) and blown up until after 1950 including all branches, even factories producing watches, toys or china.

Today we can hardly imagine that nearly 70 years ago the victorious Allies were in the process of dismembering Germany, tearing down its economy and starving out its population. Older Germans remember the postwar winter of 1946/1947 as a dreadful hunger winter. In his book The German Question and the Origins of the Cold War (Milan 2008) Nicolas Lewkowicz notes that Germany was given the most comprehensive treatment ever dispensed to a vanquished nation in the modern history of the international political system. (p. 11) The question is how this treatment came to be and which forces played a pivotal role in these developments. In 1942 the war was far from decided as German submarines were cruising the American Eastcoast and German tanks were relentlessly advancing in Russia and Africa.

This did not stop (or maybe actually encouraged) Jewish exiles from dreaming about Germanys demise after the war. Tens of thousands of Jewish exiles from Germany had found refuge in New York and even had their own newspaper Aufbau (German word for build-up). They were not sitting idle awaiting the end of hostilities, but were active in canvassing the public opinion to lobby for imposing a hard peace on Germany. The most active and outspoken among them was Emil Cohn, better known under his German pen name Emil Ludwig.

Cohn delivered an important speech in New York in 1942, which was noted in the New YorkTimes (6th of July 1942) and printed in Aufbau (July 24th1942): “Was soll mit Deutschland geschehen?” (“What should happen with Germany?”). Ludwig advocated that Germany should be totally occupied and not be able to exercise self-government for a long time. Germany should go through a “probation” and should be re-educated".

The date of these long standing suggestions is important, since the allegation, Germany had murdered millions of convicts of the concentration camps, which could never be proven by forensic evidence, claims, the beginning of the mass murder lied in June 1942. Another contributor to Aufbau, Manfred George, made no secret about his primary allegiance when he noted in Aufbau (March 19th 1943) that one time German-speaking Jews consider this problem [of Germanys fate after the war] as Jews and not as Germans. There were many similar voices but Cohn was not a mere commentator as he was summoned to testify before the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives on March 26 1943. He proposed a partition of Germany and a long period of Allied control. In order to spread his radical ideas among the American public he published a book with the title “How To Treat The Germans” (New York: Willard, 1943). Note that there is no question mark in the title.

In Jewish circles there was little room for a distinction between National-Socialist policies and the German people, which was contrary to the American public opinion of Germany as I will illustrate below. The idea of collective punishment based on collective guilt was paramount among Jews. During a protest rally at Boston Garden on May 2 1943 assistant secretary of state Adolf Augustus Berle Jr. exclaimed: "This guilt now generalized throughout the German people must constitute one of the basic considerations in dealing with the German people in the hour of their final defeat." The World Jewish Congress published Berle’s speech at this rally in the Jewish Comment (May 28, 1943). Berle came from a family of Zionists. His father, Adolf Augustus Berle Sr., was the author of the book The World Significance Of A Jewish State (New York: M. Kennerly, 1918). Despite his seemingly rather lowly post Berle was a confidant of Roosevelt and was part of his Brain Trust, a presidential advisory group stemming from the 1930s and which also had several other Jews.

Knowing that Jewish activists with access to the White House were advocating harsh measures to be imposed on postwar Germany, it is not surprising that a harsh peace was being drafted long before the end of the war. In April 1943 the American journalist Kingsbury Smith revealed the blueprint for a defeated Germany under the title Washington’s Plan for Postwar Germany in the American Mercury 56 (April 1943).

This plan was entirely congruent with the ideas of Cohn and Berle:

1. The decentralization of Germany as a political and economic unit

2. The reduction of Germany’s heavy industry by the removal of machinery, and then placing the remaining industries under Allied control for an indefinite period of years

3. The establishment of an Allied commission for the investigation of war crimes and the trial of Germans who were responsible for sponsoring or condoning “the barbaric slaughter and persecution of Jews” in Europe as well as other war crimes.

This plan meant that the abandonment of the Anglo-American Atlantic Charter of August 1941, which stipulated that no territorial changes would be made without the consent of the people concerned. Moreover, the plan was highly criticized in the media and did not have any significant support among the American public. A public opinion-poll of June 1943 showed that only 11% of the people in the poll were in favor of carving up Germany (Germany in the Dock, Fortune, June 27, 1943). In a poll of September 1943 only a quarter of the American public responded that Germany was inherently warlike (50% thought Japan was inherently warlike). Apparently the American public did not hate (or fear) Germans. In order to achieve this the Society for the Prevention of World War III was found in December 1943. At a first glance non-Jews like the German pacifist Friedrich Wilhelm Foerster and the American fiction writer Rex Stout were in charge, but the advisory committee was stacked with Jews like William Shirer, Paul Winkler, Louis Nizer and Clifton Fadiman.

Jews were also overrepresented among the contributors and writers, because they were mustered in Jewish circles (S. Casey (2005), "The campaign to sell a harsh peace for Germany to the American public, 1944?1948," p. 11) The Society was the vanguard of advocates for Germany’s dismemberment. In 1943 Paul Winkler published a book called “The German Conspiracy: Secret Germany Behind the Mask” (New York: Charles Scribner’s sons, 1943). In 1944 Louis Nizer published his book “What To Do With Germany” (Chicago: Ziff-Davis) in which he advocated that Germany’s sovereignty as a nation should be forfeited. The society was not very successful among the public. Indeed, its hatred for the Germans as a nation caused indignation among some writers and editors, who accused the society of bad history, bad logic, and inverted racism (Common Sense, June 1944 p. 207212).

In the summer of 1944 the defeat of Germany seemed imminent and Roosevelt felt confident enough to propose an official postwar plan for Germany to his Anglo-Saxon ally Churchill during the Quebec Conference of September 1944. This time it was the Treasury Department of Roosevelt’s long-time confidant Henry Morgenthau Jr. (also from the above mentioned Brain Trust) who drafted the plan, circumnavigating the State Department. Before Morgenthau submitted his plan during the conference he visited the front in France in August 1944. He was horrified to find out that in London and among the American generals plans were afoot to administer a conquered Germany not as a madhouse full of psychopathic killers but as a defeated nation in need of rebuilding.

(J.M. Blum, From the Morgenthau Diaries, Houghton Mifflin 1967). Churchill ultimately agreed to adopt the plan in exchange for a large loan which Great-Britain desperately needed at this stage of the war. The plan was again leaked to the press, causing indignation and criticism towards the Roosevelt administration. Even from within the administration secretary of state Henry L. Stimson criticized the "Carthaginian peace."

Morgenthau envisaged the dismemberment of the German state and decimation of the German people. A quarter of Germany’s territory was to be given to neighboring countries and ethnically cleansed from Germans. The rest was to be politically divided into several pieces, which were under the control of the Allied nations. Germans were deprived of any form of self-governance and political self-determination. Economically, the remaining German territory was to be stripped of all its industry and the German people were only to be fed on a subsistence level. Germans were not allowed to emigrate and were liable to be conscripted for forced labor abroad. Access by relief organizations was not allowed, and any charity from abroad was forbidden. Germany was to become the largest concentration camp on earth.

Goebbels described the plan as followed: "The Jew Morgenthau wanted to make Germany into a giant potato patch." The Morgenthau Plan has often been downplayed: Morgenthau’s role was diminished by the suggestion that it came largely from the pen of Harry Dexter White (also Jewish, a target of Sen. Joe McCarthy, and later shown to be a communist spy), that the plan was executed after Morgenthau’s term of office, and that the Allied occupation in fact ended in the formation of the Federal Republic of Germany in 1948. However, it should be noted that Morgenthau was committed to the execution of his plan and published a book Germany Is Our Problem (New York: Harper, 1945) to personally promote the plan.

The Allied occupation regime until 1948 largely executed the Morgenthau Plan by Joint Chiefs of Staff Directive 1067 imposing a division of Germany into four zones, restrictive food distribution which caused starvation in 1947, and by dismantling German industries. Millions of Germans were submitted to forced labor abroad and millions of Germans were on the brink of starvation at home as pointed out in Herbert Hoover’s report "German Agricultural and Food Requirements." 

Eventually, it was the Cold War that hastened the creation of the Federal Republic of Germany and its merging into the camp of the Western Allies. As outlined above, the Roosevelt administration’s postwar plan for Germany did not stem from the sentiment among the American public, or even its generals at the front. The American public did not believe in the inherent evil of the Germans, nor did it desire a harsh peace. They did not hate the Germans, nor did they believe in collective guilt/punishment. It was the desire of small minority of Jewish activists and policy makers with access to President Roosevelt.

The Morgenthau Plan did not come out of the blue; its outline was in place long before September 1944. It stemmed from the same group of Jewish activists and policy makers who had advocated its basic principles for years in many publications. Morgenthau himself was deeply committed to his plan and advocated its execution after his leave from office. The Morgenthau Plan became the official Allied occupation policy of Germany until Cold War reality forced its abandonment. Still, it should be noted

Still today German chancellors are forced to sign a "Act of Submission" (Die Kanzler-Akte) to the Allied victors before entering office.

(http://globalfire.tv/nj/graphs/ehrenburg.jpg)  Ilya Ehrenburg, Stalin's Jewish propagandist for genocide!

"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil! Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin. Stamp out the fascist beast once and for all in its lair! Use force and break the racial pride of these German women. Take them as your lawful booty. Kill! As you storm onward, kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army."

Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Frankfurt, February 28, 1995 - p. 7


The above is one of the many thousands of genocide orders from Stalin's official Jewish war propagandist. With these kind of orders of the day, Ehrenburg spurred the Red Army soldiers on their way to Germany. They murdered in the eastern territorries of Germany, which they controlled and thanks to his effective propaganda of "humanity", nearly three million women, children and old people perished in the hands of his killing hordes. Ehrenburg is especially revered in Israel and his memory is still kept in the highest esteem by World-Jewry.

That was a real Holocaust! Where was God? And where is he now while the Middle East is burning?
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Vidarr on April 13, 2012, 11:54:55 PM
Where was God? And where is he now while the Middle East is burning?

Well.....  where were the Germans when the jews tortured and nailed God's son to the cross..

Stop blaiming anyone else but the jews.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: jacob gold on April 14, 2012, 07:45:08 AM
Hey Ms Sushi

I heard that the Russian/Jewish/Bolsheviks raped all the women and children when they invaded germany.  Is this true?
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Vidarr on April 14, 2012, 08:58:35 AM
Hey Ms Sushi

I heard that the Russian/Jewish/Bolsheviks raped all the women and children when they invaded germany.  Is this true?
not all of them... most german women were already firebombed prior to the rape raids.. just the living women and children that they could find on their part of "liberated" Germany...  about a few million.

They killed all the men untill there were only 15 year old boys left to defend Germany. Then they raped the women to dilute the german gene pool with their degenerate seed.

 
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Wulfgar on April 14, 2012, 09:14:52 AM
[9 DE-INDUSTRIALIZATION: The German factories that had survived the bombing raids were dismantled (“DEMONTAGE”) and blown up until after 1950 including all branches, even factories producing watches, toys or china. [/i]

That tactic is still being applied in the US, Canada, UK and Europe.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: wag on April 14, 2012, 09:50:36 AM
Hey Ms Sushi

I heard that the Russian/Jewish/Bolsheviks raped all the women and children when they invaded germany.  Is this true?

If jews could have gotten away with it, they would have genocided the entire German race.  Germans had threatened the very existence of the collective jewish parasite. But through the war and post-war attocities, jews probably were successful at severely and permanently weakening German racial stock.  I see this as the biggest sin in the history of man, and a direct jewish assault on God Almighty. 
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 14, 2012, 10:26:54 AM
Hey Ms Sushi

I heard that the Russian/Jewish/Bolsheviks raped all the women and children when they invaded germany.  Is this true?

The sisters of my father-in-law were all raped by the Bolsheviks, everyone of them, and so were their neighbors women. So yes, this was true. The American troops were not quite as bad, but they too did their share. The Brits were more benign.

Incidentally, Kevin Alfred Strom was a friend of Dr. Revilo P. Oliver

"Ravishing the Women of Conquered Europe"

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Kevin Alfred Strom

''One of this century's greatest crimes, and probably one of the greatest crimes against women in history, was the mass rape of the conquered women of Europe after the Judeo-Communist victory there in 1945. The rapists were mainly Red Army soldiers, some of them non-White troops from the Far East and Central Asian Republics of the Soviet Union. But I am sorry to say that many of the rapists were men of our own race, and some were Americans. They were brutes no doubt, but they were permitted and encouraged to indulge their lower than bestial urges by official "Allied" policies which incited hatred particularly against the Germans, but also against those of other European nationalities which were then allied with Germany in an anti-Communist bloc.

One cannot contemplate this great mass orgy of rape, gang rape, and sexual slavery of innocent women and little girls without revulsion. It would be easy for you to toss this newsletter aside and pickup more pleasant or amusing reading. But if you want to know the truth about one of the darkest secrets of our present establishment, a horrible crime against women about which the Politically Correct feminists are strangely silent, then I urge you to read on. (http://library.flawlesslogic.com/massrape.htm)

I claim no originality for the documentation or recounting of this ghastly crime perpetrated mainly by what Franklin Roosevelt called "our noble Soviet ally." We are indebted to Dr. Austin J. App, a professor and scholar of English literature at Catholic University, the University of Scranton, and LaSalle College, among others, who risked career and livelihood to bring these truths to light. In April, 1946, when he published the work upon which this article is based, entitled Ravishing the Women of Conquered Europe, he was a lone voice crying out for justice in an America still high on war propaganda and on a "victory" that in the later Cold War years and after would be seen clearly as a defeat for America and the West as much as it was for Germany.

As the Red Army advanced toward her in 1945, the city of Berlin had become a city virtually without men. Out of a civilian population of 2,700,000, 2,000,000 were women. It is small wonder that the fear of sexual attack raced through the city like a plague. Doctors were besieged by patients seeking information on the quickest way to commit suicide, and poison was in great demand.

In Berlin stood a charity institution, the Haus Dehlem, an orphanage, maternity hospital, and foundling home. Soviet soldiers entered the home, and repeatedly raped pregnant women and women who had just given birth. This was not an isolated incident. No one will ever know how many women were raped, but doctors' estimates run as high as 100,000 for the city of Berlin alone, their ages ranging from 10 to 70.

On March 24, 1945, our "noble Soviet allies" entered Danzig. A 50-year-old Danzig teacher reported that her niece, 15, was raped seven times, and her other niece, 22, was raped fifteen times. A Soviet officer told a group of women to seek safety in the Cathedral. Once they were securely locked inside, the beasts of Bolshevism entered, and ringing the bells and playing the organ, "celebrated" a foul orgy through the night, raping all the women, some more than thirty times. A Catholic pastor in Danzig declared, "They violated even eight-year-old girls and shot boys who tried to shield their mothers."

The Most Reverend Bernard Griffin, British Archbishop, made a tour of Europe to study conditions there, and reported, "In Vienna alone they raped 100,000 women, not once but many times, including girls not yet in their teens, and aged women."

A Lutheran pastor in Germany, in a letter of August 7, 1945, to the Bishop of Chichester, England, describes how a fellow pastor's "two daughters and a grandchild (ten years of age) suffer from gonorrhea, [as a] result of rape" and how "Mrs. N. was killed when she resisted an attempt to rape her," while her daughter was "raped and deported, allegedly to Omsk, Siberia, for indoctrination."

The day after our noble Soviet allies conquered Neisse, Silesia, 182 Catholic nuns were raped. In the diocese of Kattowitz 66 pregnant nuns were counted. In one convent when the Mother Superior and her assistant tried to protect the younger nuns with outstretched arms, they were shot down. A priest reported in Nord Amerika magazine for November 1, 1945, that he knew "several villages where all the women, even the aged and girls as young as twelve, were violated daily for weeks by the Russians."

Sylvester Michelfelder, a Lutheran pastor, wrote in the Christian Century: "Bands of irresponsible bandits in Russian or American uniforms pillage and rob the trains. Women and girls are violated in sight of everyone. They are stripped of their clothes."

On April 27, 1946 Vatican Radio charged that in the Russian occupation zone of Eastern Germany cries of help are going up "from girls and women who are being brutally raped and whose bodily and spiritual health is completely shaken."

The rapists did not all wear a red star. John Dos Passos, writing in Life magazine for January 7, 1946, quotes a "red-faced major" as saying that "Lust, liquor and loot are the soldier's pay." A serviceman wrote to Time magazine for November 12, 1945 "Many a sane American family would recoil in horror if they knew how 'Our Boys' conduct themselves, with such complete callousness in human relationships over here." An army sergeant wrote "Our own Army and the British Army ... have done their share of looting and raping ... This offensive attitude among our troops is not at all general, but the percentage is large enough to have given our Army a pretty black name, and we too are considered an army of rapists."

An Italian survivor of American bombing states that Black American troops, stationed in Naples, were allowed by their superiors free access to poor, hungry, and humiliated Italian women. The result of this interracial rape and sexual slavery was the production of a generation of pitiable mixed-race children, a legacy of the brutal conqueror.

According to an AP dispatch of September 12, 1945, entitled "German- American Marriages Forbidden", the Franklin Roosevelt government instructed its soldiers that marriage with the inferior Germans was absolutely forbidden, but those having illegitimate children by German women, whose husbands and boyfriends were conveniently dead or held as prisoners or slave laborers, could count on allowance money. And, according to Time magazine of September 17, 1945, the government provided these soldiers with an estimated 50 million condoms per month, and graphically instructed them as to their use. For all practical purposes, our soldiers were being told: "Teach these Germans a lesson -- and have a wonderful time!" Such were the great crusaders who brought "democracy" to Europe.

For the Americans and British, open rape was not as common as among the Soviet troops. The Soviets simply raped any female from eight years up and if a German man or woman killed a Russian soldier for anything, including rape, 50 Germans were killed for each incident, as reported in Time magazine, June 11, 1945. But for most of our boys, having that "wonderful time" depended a great deal on the "cooperation" of the German and Austrian women. From the starving and the homeless, of course, sexual "cooperation" could be bought for a few pennies or a mouthful of food. I don't think we ought to dignify this arrangement with any other than its true name of sexual slavery.

The Christian Century for December 5, 1945 reported "the American provost marshal, Lieutenant Colonel Gerald F. Beane, said that rape presents no problem for the military police because a bit of food, a bar of chocolate, or a bar of soap seem to make rape unnecessary. Think that over, if you want to understand the situation in Germany." The Weekly Review of London, for October 25, 1945, described it thus: "Young girls, unattached, wander about and freely offer themselves for food or bed ... very simply, they have one thing left to sell, and they sell it ... as a way of dying it may be worse than starvation, but it will put off dying for months -- or even years."

Dr. George N. Shuster, president of Hunter College, wrote in the Catholic Digest of December 1945 after a visit to the American Zone of occupation, "You have said it all when you say that Europe is now a place where woman has lost her perennial fight for decency because the indecent alone live." By official policy, the Allies created conditions in which the only German mothers who could keep their young children alive were those who themselves or whose sisters became mistresses of the occupying troops. Our own officials admittedly brought the Germans down to a total daily food intake less than that of an American breakfast, a level which leads to slow but sure death unless relieved.

According to testimony given in the United States Senate on July 17, 1945, when the colonial French troops under Eisenhower's command, presumably mostly Africans, entered the German city of Stuttgart, they herded German women into the subways and raped some two thousand of them. In Stuttgart alone, troops under Eisenhower's command raped more women in one week than troops under German command raped in all of France for four entire years. In fact, of all the major belligerents in World War II, the German troops had by far the smallest record of rape and looting. The German army's incidence of rape in all of Germany's occupied territories was even lower than that of American troops stationed on American soil!

According to the International News Service in London, January 31, 1946, when American soldier's wives were brought to Germany, they were given special authorization to wear military uniforms because "the GIs did not want their wives mistaken for Fraeuleins by other occupation troops." A writer for the New York World Telegram January 21, 1945 stated "Americans look on the German women as loot, just like cameras and Lugers." Dr. G. Stewart, in a health statement submitted to General Eisenhower, reported that in the first six months of American occupation, venereal disease jumped to twenty times its former level in Germany.

I want you imagine an orgy of rape like this happening in your country, in your neighborhood, to your family, to your wife, your sister, your daughter. I want you to imagine what it would feel like to be totally powerless to stop it from happening, completely unable to bring the criminals to justice. And I want to ask you, were there ever any "war crimes" or "hate crimes" trials of these butchers and rapists and inciters to butchery and rape? We in America are very good at raining "smart bombs" on our adversaries, and in violently enforcing the dictates of the United Nations on faraway peoples that our press have vilified. But we have really been very insulated from the horrors of mass warfare on our own territory.

(http://library.flawlesslogic.com/h_morgen.jpg)  Few today remember that in the 1940s, the Allies, who even then were calling their world-government-in-the-making the "United Nations," were pursuing a policy of unconditional surrender, which meant that the Germans would be obligated to accept an occupation government whose announced intentions, the infamous and genocidal Morgenthau Plan, would have reduced Germany to medieval conditions and cut her population by enforced starvation. Go to a large library and check out Secretary Morgenthau's book, Germany Is Our Problem, Harper and Brothers, 1945. You will note the use of the term "United Nations" on the front flyleaf and in the foreword by Franklin D. Roosevelt. A prominent Jewish writer in America, Theodore Kaufman, had in 1941 written a book entitled Germany Must Perish, which advocated the extermination of all Germans by sterilization. Kaufman's book received favorable reviews in major American magazines and newspapers. Other books, such as Louis Nizer's What To Do With Germany, also contributed to this atmosphere of strident anti-German hatred. War propaganda and official policy combined to create an image of the German as sub-human and deserving of almost infinite punishment if not annihilation. [Image: Henry Morgenthau, Jr., FDR's Jewish Secretary of State.]

Churchill said to the Germans in January, 1945, "We Allies are no monsters. This, at least, I can say, on behalf of the United Nations, to Germany ... Peace, though based on unconditional surrender, will bring to Germany and Japan immense and immediate alleviation of suffering and agony."

Against that false claim the late Dr. Austin App proclaimed the truth: Those Allies who were "no monsters" literally raped more European women than had ever before been raped in the history of the world. They put Germany on a starvation-level diet. Under direct orders from Dwight Eisenhower, they killed more than a million German POWs. They looted 12 million people of their homes, goods, food, and even clothes and drove them from their homelands. They took one-fourth of their farmland, they took their ships and their factories and their farm implements and then told them to live by farming. They abused and starved to death more German babies than there ever were Jews in Germany. They raped and debauched hundreds of thousands of German, Austrian, and Hungarian girls and women from eight to eighty. They brought to their death five times as many Germans in one year of peace as died during five years of war. Yes, yes, of course, these men of the United Nations, these men of the New World Order are no monsters.

Quite apart from any ethnic or ideological considerations, World War II was a war between, on the one side, the elitists who created Communism as a way-station on the road to their New World Order; and on the other, those who opposed that New World Order. It is a tragedy of millennial proportions that America and Britain were induced to fight on the side of Communism and Communism's masters.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 14, 2012, 10:37:25 AM
not all of them... most german women were already firebombed prior to the rape raids.. just the living women and children that they could find on their part of "liberated" Germany...  about a few million.

They killed all the men untill there were only 15 year old boys left to defend Germany. Then they raped the women to dilute the german gene pool with their degenerate seed.

True! Again, where was God ????
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: jacob gold on April 14, 2012, 10:57:25 AM
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Which way to "Das Kamps"?
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 14, 2012, 11:10:15 AM
not all of them... most german women were already firebombed prior to the rape raids.. just the living women and children that they could find on their part of "liberated" Germany...  about a few million.

They killed all the men untill there were only 15 year old boys left to defend Germany. Then they raped the women to dilute the german gene pool with their degenerate seed.

Where you there at the time?
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 14, 2012, 11:16:00 AM
If jews could have gotten away with it, they would have genocided the entire German race.  Germans had threatened the very existence of the collective jewish parasite. But through the war and post-war attocities, jews probably were successful at severely and permanently weakening German racial stock.  I see this as the biggest sin in the history of man, and a direct jewish assault on God Almighty.

Absolutely!!! People cannot even imagine what it is like to be fire-bombed. Sheer man-made HELL followed by plunder and rape of survivors. I was only 4 years old and only remember certain high lights, most of all starvation.

My husband remembers much more than I do, he is 6 years older.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 14, 2012, 04:11:46 PM
Well.....  where were the Germans when the jews tortured and nailed God's son to the cross..

Stop blaiming anyone else but the jews.

So you see Vidarr, Jews alone, without their oh-so-willing executioners, could not have pulled this off entirely on their own.

"Ravishing the Women of Conquered Europe"
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Judson on April 14, 2012, 04:47:33 PM
"The Germans are not human beings. From now on, the word 'German' is the most horrible curse. From now on, the word 'German' strikes us to the quick. We have nothing to discuss. We will not get excited. We will kill. If you have not killed at least one German a day, you have wasted that day ... If you cannot kill a German with a bullet, then kill him with your bayonet. If your part of the front is quiet and there is no fighting, then kill a German in the meantime ... If you have already killed a German, then kill another one - there is nothing more amusing to us than a heap of German corpses. Don't count the days, don't count the kilometers. Count only one thing: the number of Germans you have killed. Kill the Germans! ...  - Kill the Germans! Kill!" 

Ilya Grigoryevich Ehrenburg
Jewish Soviet Propagandist


One need not wonder if the Soviet Mongolian hordes were harsh to the German women as they rampaged across eastern Europe ... this order above would get any man standing before a firing squad today.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 14, 2012, 05:50:03 PM
One need not wonder if the Soviet Mongolian hordes were harsh to the German women as they rampaged across eastern Europe ... this order above would get any man standing before a firing squad today.

Not since Genghis Khan has another brutal horde invaded the civilized center of Europe with such barbarity.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: graybeard on April 14, 2012, 06:14:30 PM
"According to an AP dispatch of September 12, 1945, entitled "German- American Marriages Forbidden", the Franklin Roosevelt government instructed its soldiers that marriage with the inferior Germans was absolutely forbidden..."

Isn't it odd that the Administration which regarded Germans as 'inferior' would cart off all those German patents and technology and even the men/women who paraded as scientists?  Hmmm...makes you wonder who was actually the inferior group.

1.  It always slays me to read the wild accusations which the jooz hurl at the Germans--such as German soldiers supposedly tossing joobabies into the air and bayonetting them on the way down.  Ha ha.  I happen to be of German descent and know a little about the nature of the German people--and I have learned more than a little about the nature of the heebs.  I KNOW which group is capable of such behavior, and which is not.  And the capable group is famous for projecting its 'unenviable' characteristics on those whom it wishes to libel.

2.  I'm gratified to read that the Brits and Americans weren't nearly as monstrous as the Russians were;  I think it's worthwhile to realize that those Russian soldiers had been reared under the rule of the Bolsheviks--who were virtually all jooish.

3.  The Germans contributed to their own demise by allowing the heebs to thrive in their presence--instead of continuing to ban them from their territory as had been the practice of native Europeans for generations.   

4.  Why did the Germans and other Europeans stop banning the joobastards from polite company as they had for so long?  Could it be because of the influence of their new religion known as Judeo-Christianity which the jooz had given them (as boasted of by Eli Marcus Ravage)?  The religion which taught them to love their enemies, and 'do good to those who despitefully use you and persecute you'? 

5.  Looks to me like da jooz still have the goyim where they want 'em, and will continue to have their way with them.   The joogurl Ayn Rand gave it her best shot in trying to show the world the evil of Christianity (as well as all religion) but I think it's now (25 years after her death) accurate to say that she failed.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 14, 2012, 06:38:46 PM

Thank you for your contribution. You never fail to come back with a great reply, Graybeard and know what you are talking about.  :)

If and when you have a moment, please visit  Gerry Frederic's Website (http://www.germancross.com/indice.htm) you will find it most informative.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 14, 2012, 07:22:25 PM
"Germany, from a great confused mass of warriors and thinkers and workers, militant at cross-purposes, wearing themselves out in vain struggles and preyed upon by malevolent neighbors, has become a great power in arms, in art, in science, in literature; a fortress of high thought; a guardian of civilization; the natural ally of every nation which seeks the better development of humanity.

"Andrew Dickson White, American historian and educator, US Ambassador to Germany in 1905
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: laconas on April 14, 2012, 08:24:48 PM
"Germany, from a great confused mass of warriors and thinkers and workers, militant at cross-purposes, wearing themselves out in vain struggles and preyed upon by malevolent neighbors, has become a great power in arms, in art, in science, in literature; a fortress of high thought; a guardian of civilization; the natural ally of every nation which seeks the better development of humanity.

"Andrew Dickson White, American historian and educator, US Ambassador to Germany in 1905

Now the Germans know how the Greeks and Romans felt after the Jews with their Christianity set human evolution back a 1,500 years. Imagine where the world would have been if Greco-Roman thought was allowed to grow without being choked by a Jewish desert god who had no tolerance for logic, reason, art, innovation, and even the Olympic Games.

The Greeks and Romans accepted their fate and to this day bow down to the son of a Jewish god. In the same way younger Germans have learned to bow to The Holocaust which represents the visible symbol of worldwide Jewish power. As the older German generation dies off the reasons for the great revolt against Jewish power in the middle of the 20th Century will also die off.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 14, 2012, 09:20:25 PM
Now the Germans know how the Greeks and Romans felt after the Jews with their Christianity set human evolution back a 1,500 years. Imagine where the world would have been if Greco-Roman thought was allowed to grow without being choked by a Jewish desert god who had no tolerance for logic, reason, art, innovation, and even the Olympic Games.

The Greeks and Romans accepted their fate and to this day bow down to the son of a Jewish god. In the same way younger Germans have learned to bow to The Holocaust which represents the visible symbol of worldwide Jewish power. As the older German generation dies off the reasons for the great revolt against Jewish power in the middle of the 20th Century will also die off.

Ever since the defeat of the German People and their trusted allies, it is pretty near impossible to talk about "truths". However, the whole world is increasingly becoming aware of the true virus.

Ultimately (as I have said numerous times before) it may only take a spark, sometime, somewhere. It is the height of arrogance to be walking on thin ice and assuming to get away with it forever.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: graybeard on April 14, 2012, 09:37:11 PM
Now the Germans know how the Greeks and Romans felt after the Jews with their Christianity set human evolution back a 1,500 years. Imagine where the world would have been if Greco-Roman thought was allowed to grow without being choked by a Jewish desert god who had no tolerance for logic, reason, art, innovation, and even the Olympic Games.

The Greeks and Romans accepted their fate and to this day bow down to the son of a Jewish god. In the same way younger Germans have learned to bow to The Holocaust which represents the visible symbol of worldwide Jewish power. As the older German generation dies off the reasons for the great revolt against Jewish power in the middle of the 20th Century will also die off.

Great comment, laconas!

I've often wondered (but have been too lazy to research it) how the damjooz managed to inject Christianity into Roman culture.  From what I've read, similar mystic religions were floating around in Greece, but didn't make much headway in that population.  Do you have a theory about it?

I can see why the kazars embraced judaism rather than Christianity or Islam:  that wretched bloodthirsty 'religion' was right down their alley!  Imagine how delighted a thief would be to be told that stealing from neighboring tribes was sanctioned and encouraged by the one and only deity--if the thief was a chosenut (which could be arranged).

I also wonder why/how Germans became such a spectacular, accomplished people.   Had they been students of ancient Greece and were still coasting on that knowledge/culture after they'd become infected with Christianity?  Was it their unique language which enabled them to think more precisely and efficiently than others?  (When I was in high school German was the language commonly used by scientists.)

I've always understood the jooz' hatred of the Germans to be the 'woman scorned' syndrome.  They had never had it so good anywhere on the planet as they had it in Germany...and then Hitler pulled the rug out from under them and burned the Welcome mat.   If the Germans had made them live in ghettos and imposed the normal restrictions on them they wouldn't have gotten their panties in such a wad when the jooshit hit the fan.  Plus, on some level they would have sensed how inferior they were to their hosts on nearly every level and resented them for it.

Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: laconas on April 14, 2012, 10:02:30 PM
Ever since the defeat of the German People and their trusted allies, it is pretty near impossible to talk about "truths". However, the whole world is increasingly becoming aware of the true virus.

Ultimately (as I have said numerous times before) it may only take a spark, sometime, somewhere. It is the height of arrogance to be walking on thin ice and assuming to get away with it forever.

I wouldn't know where to start of the damage that has been done to so called European people in the last 100 years. I guess we can start with the educational system which has intentionally dumbed-down kids, move on to cultural and societal beliefs in the 'isms" that have broken down traditions like family, and finally the environment which chokes-off innovation and production.

The irony of course is that it was the above European values that allowed Jews to conquer the world. The dumbing down has forced Jews to import Chinese and Indian scientists and doctors, the destruction of the productive environment has forced them to wage more wars to secure nations with cheap labor, and their goal of replacing European type population with Latin American types by giving them all the benefits to breed 5 or 6 kids for future cheap labor will change the demographic of the US where 50% of the population will be Spanish in 2 generations.

I can't see any of these trends changing anytime soon.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: graybeard on April 14, 2012, 10:19:21 PM
Ever since the defeat of the German People and their trusted allies, it is pretty near impossible to talk about "truths". However, the whole world is increasingly becoming aware of the true virus.

Ultimately (as I have said numerous times before) it may only take a spark, sometime, somewhere. It is the height of arrogance to be walking on thin ice and assuming to get away with it forever.

So long as their milk cow (the U.S.) is powerful and able to bully the rest of the world and kowtow to jooish interests, I don't foresee them falling through the ice.  However, the balance of power may very well be different on the other side of this financial-crisis-in-progress.   

For instance, movements are well under way to avoid using the U$D in international trade.  If the whole fiat currency scam collapses (as many of us expect), the U.S. could wake up one morning with less respect than Rodney Dangerfield.  Imagine its situation if no one feared it and most everyone hates and resents it because of its proud role as israhell's benefactor and the host of the majority of jooz in the world.

I can't help but believe that most of the world knows that jooz are directly and fully responsible for the current financial crisis, which centers around the many fraudulent financial instruments they created and foisted on the unsuspecting goyim around the world.  With no big bully to protect them, I can easily visualize a slew of short joobankers swinging from tall lamp posts...
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: laconas on April 14, 2012, 10:31:55 PM
Great comment, laconas!

I've often wondered (but have been too lazy to research it) how the damjooz managed to inject Christianity into Roman culture.  From what I've read, similar mystic religions were floating around in Greece, but didn't make much headway in that population.  Do you have a theory about it?

I can see why the kazars embraced judaism rather than Christianity or Islam:  that wretched bloodthirsty 'religion' was right down their alley!  Imagine how delighted a thief would be to be told that stealing from neighboring tribes was sanctioned and encouraged by the one and only deity--if the thief was a chosenut (which could be arranged).

I also wonder why/how Germans became such a spectacular, accomplished people.   Had they been students of ancient Greece and were still coasting on that knowledge/culture after they'd become infected with Christianity?  Was it their unique language which enabled them to think more precisely and efficiently than others?  (When I was in high school German was the language commonly used by scientists.)

I've always understood the jooz' hatred of the Germans to be the 'woman scorned' syndrome.  They had never had it so good anywhere on the planet as they had it in Germany...and then Hitler pulled the rug out from under them and burned the Welcome mat.   If the Germans had made them live in ghettos and imposed the normal restrictions on them they wouldn't have gotten their panties in such a wad when the jooshit hit the fan.  Plus, on some level they would have sensed how inferior they were to their hosts on nearly every level and resented them for it.

During Tiberius' rule(14 AD to 37 AD) so called Christianity wasn't anything special, mystics were everywhere preaching one belief or another. The whole thing really took a few centuries to spread and wasn't really cemented until 313 AD when Christianity was made the official religion of the empire. One theory is many of the so called Christians could read and write and had assumed many of the clerical type jobs in the Roman Empire that gave them influence. The leaders of the early church also made a good living going around telling people to give to the desert god. And for the great masses, the message of an after-life(oxymoron?) was probably very appealing.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: FrankDialogue on April 14, 2012, 10:49:42 PM
During Tiberius' rule(14 AD to 37 AD) so called Christianity wasn't anything special, mystics were everywhere preaching one belief or another. The whole thing really took a few centuries to spread and wasn't really cemented until 313 AD when Christianity was made the official religion of the empire. One theory is many of the so called Christians could read and write and had assumed many of the clerical type jobs in the Roman Empire that gave them influence. The leaders of the early church also made a good living going around telling people to give to the desert god. And for the great masses, the message of an after-life(oxymoron?) was probably very appealing.
Germans are nothing special...Because of their pride & rebellion, they have been given into the hands of Satan & the Jews
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: laconas on April 14, 2012, 10:51:52 PM
So long as their milk cow (the U.S.) is powerful and able to bully the rest of the world and kowtow to jooish interests, I don't foresee them falling through the ice.  However, the balance of power may very well be different on the other side of this financial-crisis-in-progress.   

For instance, movements are well under way to avoid using the U$D in international trade.  If the whole fiat currency scam collapses (as many of us expect), the U.S. could wake up one morning with less respect than Rodney Dangerfield.  Imagine its situation if no one feared it and most everyone hates and resents it because of its proud role as israhell's benefactor and the host of the majority of jooz in the world.

I can't help but believe that most of the world knows that jooz are directly and fully responsible for the current financial crisis, which centers around the many fraudulent financial instruments they created and foisted on the unsuspecting goyim around the world.  With no big bully to protect them, I can easily visualize a slew of short joobankers swinging from tall lamp posts...

I can't see how the whole fiat money system cannot collapse, and its collapse will mean war, a big war.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: laconas on April 14, 2012, 11:03:02 PM
Germans are nothing special...Because of their pride & rebellion, they have been given into the hands of Satan & the Jews

They had their day in the sun in the 19th Century and early part of the 20th Century. But at this time all that is overshadowed because of that revolt against Jewish power they had 70 years ago.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: wag on April 15, 2012, 06:20:27 AM
"The Germans are not human beings. From now on, the word 'German' is the most horrible curse. From now on, the word 'German' strikes us to the quick. We have nothing to discuss. We will not get excited. We will kill. If you have not killed at least one German a day, you have wasted that day ... If you cannot kill a German with a bullet, then kill him with your bayonet. If your part of the front is quiet and there is no fighting, then kill a German in the meantime ... If you have already killed a German, then kill another one - there is nothing more amusing to us than a heap of German corpses. Don't count the days, don't count the kilometers. Count only one thing: the number of Germans you have killed. Kill the Germans! ...  - Kill the Germans! Kill!" 

Ilya Grigoryevich Ehrenburg
Jewish Soviet Propagandist


One need not wonder if the Soviet Mongolian hordes were harsh to the German women as they rampaged across eastern Europe ... this order above would get any man standing before a firing squad today.

The jew Ehrenburg (aka the rape advocate) actually put the holohoax on the map, with the jew-collaborative fiction known as the "Black Book", 1945.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 15, 2012, 09:26:19 AM
I wouldn't know where to start of the damage that has been done to so called European people in the last 100 years. I guess we can start with the educational system which has intentionally dumbed-down kids, move on to cultural and societal beliefs in the 'isms" that have broken down traditions like family, and finally the environment which chokes-off innovation and production.

The irony of course is that it was the above European values that allowed Jews to conquer the world. The dumbing down has forced Jews to import Chinese and Indian scientists and doctors, the destruction of the productive environment has forced them to wage more wars to secure nations with cheap labor, and their goal of replacing European type population with Latin American types by giving them all the benefits to breed 5 or 6 kids for future cheap labor will change the demographic of the US where 50% of the population will be Spanish in 2 generations.

I can't see any of these trends changing anytime soon.

Nor can I, Laconas. The dumb-ing down and browning of western nations has been a success story for the enemies for the enemies of humanity for a long time, for me, it goes back to 1967.

White nations are being d-i-s-m-a-n-t-l-e-d for a purpose:

THE SHORT VERSION:

IF YOU AGREE with the following statement, then you understand what "globalization" means--and you needn't read the rest of this mailing:

IMMIGRATION, REFUGEE, and ASYLUM policies in Canada and America ARE BEING USED to effect the GENOCIDE AND CULTURICIDE of the white race in NORTH AMERICA--to create a borderless free-trade market for greedy capitalists and a one-world socialist State for utopian Marxists; both camps requiring forced integration and racial mongrelization to effect.

[[NOTE: GREAT BRITAIN suffers the same
CAPITALIST-/MARXIST-DRIVEN tyrannies.]]

IN OTHER WORDS - immigration, refugee and asylum policies ARE BEING USED to effect the GENOCIDE AND CULTURICIDE of the white race in NORTH AMERICA--to create a borderless free-trade market for greedy capitalists and a one-world socialist State for utopian Marxists; both camps requiring forced integration and racial mongrelization to effect.

More here (http://www.newnation.org/Archives/NNN-Guest-Column-03.html)
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 15, 2012, 10:16:19 AM
So long as their milk cow (the U.S.) is powerful and able to bully the rest of the world and kowtow to jooish interests, I don't foresee them falling through the ice.  However, the balance of power may very well be different on the other side of this financial-crisis-in-progress.

Indeed, but no empire lasts forever, we have the history to prove it.   

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For instance, movements are well under way to avoid using the U$D in international trade.  If the whole fiat currency scam collapses (as many of us expect), the U.S. could wake up one morning with less respect than Rodney Dangerfield.  Imagine its situation if no one feared it and most everyone hates and resents it because of its proud role as israhell's benefactor and the host of the majority of jooz in the world.

Good analogy Mr. Graybeard. We all know where the once proud Reich's Mark went, finally it took a wheelbarrow of worthless paper to buy a loaf of bread.

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I can't help but believe that most of the world knows that jooz are directly and fully responsible for the current financial crisis, which centers around the many fraudulent financial instruments they created and foisted on the unsuspecting goyim around the world.  With no big bully to protect them, I can easily visualize a slew of short joobankers swinging from tall lamp posts...

Judging by my community here with a current population of 2,600 and 3 very active Churches: Catholic Church ~ Anglican United Church ~ Jehovah's Witnesses (who regularly collect and then proudly send these $$$ donations to poor Izzy-land).
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 15, 2012, 10:21:02 AM
Germans are nothing special...Because of their pride & rebellion, they have been given into the hands of Satan & the Jews

Frank, have you actually ever been in Poland? Or were you born in America?
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 15, 2012, 11:05:21 AM
The jew Ehrenburg (aka the rape advocate) actually put the holohoax on the map, with the jew-collaborative fiction known as the "Black Book", 1945.

THE BLACK BOOK

About the evil, universal murder of Jews
By the German-Fascist Aggressors
In the temporarily occupied regions
Of the Soviet Union
And in the Camps of Poland
During the War 1941 – 1945

Compiled and Edited by
Vasily Grossman
Ilya Erenburg

Kiev
M.I.P. “Oberig”
1991

It lists every chapter, but unfortunately no details.

AMAZON DESCRIPTION: The Complete Black Book of Russian Jewry is a collection of eyewitness testimonies, letters, diaries, affidavits, and other documents on the activities of the Nazis against Jews in the camps, ghettoes, and towns of Eastern Europe. Arguably, the only apt comparison is to The Gulag Archipelago of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. This definitive edition, including for the first time materials omitted from previous editions, is a major addition to the literature on the Holocaust. Now available in paperback, it will be of particular interest to students, teachers, and scholars of the Holocaust and those interested in the history of Europe. The Black Book is the single most important text documenting the slaughter of Jews in the USSR. Until now, it was only available in English in truncated editions. Because of its profound significance, this definitive English translation of The Complete Black Book of Russian Jewry is a major literary and intellectual event. "

(O)ne of the most important books in the vast literature on the Holocaust...The extent of cruelty exhibited here and the uncontrolled ways in which it happened are a graphic demonstration of what the human race is capable of when left entirely to its own devices."-William B. Helmreich, Long Island Jewish World "[P]repared by Ehrenburg and Grossman themselves, with fine literary skill...Each section of the documents has a useful set of notes compiled by David Patterson, author of this excellent translation, which clarifies factual issues, and presents brief biographies of more significant figures."

-Richard Overy, Times Literary Supplement.

Interesting Website (http://www.newnation.org/Archives/NNN-Guest-Column-03.html) Of course the little Jews get this spread on their bagels to keep the H/C alive and well. $$$
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 15, 2012, 11:13:37 AM
THE FOLLOWING ESSAY is instructive.

Whites' Ready-made Civilization ©2000

THERE'S NOWHERE FOR WHITES TO GO

How High-Culture Civilizations are Destroyed

Civilizations begin as racially-, religiously-, culturally- and linguistically-connected people, working together to build and retain their race and culture.

If you study the history of white tribes in Britain and Europe, you'll discover how America came to be--and why r a c e ((genetic heritage)) is so vitally important to building and keeping civilization.

Culture is a genetic manifestation of the heritable characteristics in a gene pool ((of racial and/or interracial ethnic groups)).

In other words, black Africans could not build Japanese culture, and Japanese Asians could not build African culture. Their differences in heritable character, temperament, intelligence ((and even physical traits)) make it impossible, as they are evolutionarily disparate races, which fact is why liberals' "pluralism" and "tolerance" effect a divide-and-conquer consequence in white Western democracies; terms used to trick you into accepting open-borders immigration of diverse races.

For any mongrelist, racial and/or sex differences impede Utopia. How?:

If there are heritable differences which make certain gene pools incompatible, then Marxists' socialist Utopia is impossible to effect. So the importance of interracial genetic differences -- of heritable differences between races -- must be forcefully denied.

[[Note: Mongrelists believe that race doesn't matter ((generally, they believe it doesn't matter who produces offspring with whom)).

So if men and women are heritably different regarding certain human drives, then men and women are inherently u-n-e-q-u-a-l.

Marxists' Utopia is premised on effecting near-perfect equality by shedding capitalism's meritocratic competitions and the nuclear family's anti-collective influences.

There has been a massive propaganda push this century by leftists ((by progressive Jews, secular humanists, and liberal Christians)) to deny any heritable differences between the races, between the cultures that races build, and between men and women.

Leftists argue that there is about .01 genetic difference between the races, and that that relates only to physical differences. Well, the sun doesn't rise and set each day and bears don't doo-doo in the woods if you believe that. The differences are large, stark and deadly!

Whites' Ready-made Civilization

Have you noticed that people of color are fleeing their homelands ((or planning to flee)) to any white Western democracy, particularly America or Canada?

There's a ready-made, high-culture civilization in white Western democracies---so why would a person of color try building high-culture in his/her own country?

Unfortunately for white civil societies, the invaders ((legal and illegal)) destroy what they seek because they bring with them what they flee from: heritable low-culture proclivities.

Where Can Whites Go To Be With Their Own Race?

A recent Census Bureau report on Maryland's demographics shows a decline of whites there but a rise of black, Asian and Hispanic populations (("Black Population posts fast growth," September 4th, Metropolitan section of The Washington Times)).

Whites still flee this Marxist government's forced integration of minorities into white communities.

Maryland Department of Planning economist Mark Goldstein sees the steady flow of minorities into the state as part of a growing trend in America: "migration from bigger cities and suburban areas in search of a better quality of life," which drives whites out of their communities.

Read my essay, "Playing Marxists' Bet-Your-Life Lotto in America." It explains the cycle of whites' high-culture communities picking up roots in certain parts of America to flee incoming, low-culture people of color, then picking up and moving again to escape liberals' continuing forced integration.

Soon there'll be no place for whites to go and find other whites with which to carrying forward the unique gene pool that conceived and built the greatest civilization in history.

Marxist Social Engineers Destroy Whites' Civilization

We're witnessing how past civilizations were destroyed:

the importation of diverse races and cultures lacking the heritable wherewithal to carry on what the PROGENITOR white race and culture conceived and built.

In the past, such destruction of high-culture civilization was effected by invading barbarians.

Today, our elite politicians on both the left ((one-world Utopians hoping to build a mongrelized collective of workers for the State)) and right ((greedy capitalists hungry for low-wage workers and more consumers to heat up the economy for profits)) are simply importing tribes from around the world; tribes which otherwise might have raised armies to take what they could not conceive and build.

And white males appear too feminized to save their gene pool and culture from genocide and culturicide.
Founders' America, P.O. Box 71024, Richmond, Va 23255

http://www.newnation.org/Archives/NNN-Guest-Column-03c.html
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: FrankDialogue on April 15, 2012, 02:42:09 PM
Frank, have you actually ever been in Poland? Or were you born in America?
Born here, 3rd generation, grandparents born in the old country.

Don't feel bad, same description could be used for Poles.

You may be surprised, but I consider Germany more advanced in many ways...But along with rise of anti-Christianity in elite circles in 'enlightened' Germany and misguided actions by Prussian militarist elements which drew Germany into both WW, I think my criticism has justification.

Satan use both the Kaiser & Hitler.

However modern Germany is a relatively young nation with much promise
..The people suffer due to their leaders.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: jacob gold on April 15, 2012, 02:51:15 PM
(http://www.maikeru.cc/images/lenin-and-stalin_big.jpg)

Hitler was a monster but Stalin and Lenin were good people.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: FrankDialogue on April 15, 2012, 03:48:02 PM
BTW, when I say 'modern Germany' I mean Germany never existed as unified nation until 19th century.

Also, the whole Bolshevik cabal were demons...Their name is legion.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sceptic on April 15, 2012, 04:13:09 PM
So if men and women are heritably different regarding certain human drives, then men and women are inherently u-n-e-q-u-a-l.


This is an inaccurate statement and a typical misconception that is so transparent & misogynistic it's hilarious. It's oft used by the muslim crowd to justify their jew-like sharia too.

DIFFERENT does not mean UNEQUAL.

Different just means not identical, which NO ONE ever claimed that women & men are. Men very well know of these differences & have gleefully exploited them, resulting in inequality. Not being identical DOES NOT mean they are not equal. Equal does not mean identicalness.

This is why very few women are so reluctant to support these sort of movements.

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And white males appear too feminized to save their gene pool and culture from genocide and culturicide.
Shaming feminists won't solve the problem, & in any case "feminizing' isn't the cause; it's plain old masculinity to blame. If you lost your so-called masculinity bc women make similar salaries...you never had it in the first place. Fathers need to teach their sons better.

On the rest of article, good points on race & culture wars etc. Race mixing was started by men & men are responsible for most of it throughout history; he failed to mention that. I object to referring to mixed race ppl as "mongrels" though. There are many problems w/race mixing, even studies done showing biracial ppl have more psychological problems w/their identity etc (Obama, Tiger Woods, Halle Berry good ex). But most don't put forethought into avoiding problems they see everyday. AFAIK, the majority of ppl in all races still mate w/their own. This could change w/religious conversion & other social factors.

Problem is certain ppl who cannot raise quality offspring are mating too much. Their aggressive culture then overwhelms, as the original apathetic pop'ns destroy themselves.

Racial tension is also big problem with importing loads of radically different ppl.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 15, 2012, 08:30:03 PM
BTW, when I say 'modern Germany' I mean Germany never existed as unified nation until 19th century.

Correct, Old Bismark virtually pounded it together.

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Also, the whole Bolshevik cabal were demons...Their name is legion.

Well, we know who they were, nothing much has changed actually. 8)
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: EyeBelieve on April 15, 2012, 08:40:46 PM
Now the Germans know how the Greeks and Romans felt after the Jews with their Christianity set human evolution back a 1,500 years. Imagine where the world would have been if Greco-Roman thought was allowed to grow without being choked by a Jewish desert god who had no tolerance for logic, reason, art, innovation, and even the Olympic Games.

The Greeks and Romans accepted their fate and to this day bow down to the son of a Jewish god. In the same way younger Germans have learned to bow to The Holocaust which represents the visible symbol of worldwide Jewish power. As the older German generation dies off the reasons for the great revolt against Jewish power in the middle of the 20th Century will also die off.

I think it's an oversimplification to say Greco-Roman culture was all good & Christianity was all bad.  Plato/Pythagoras were good; Aristotle was bad...humanity & science vs oligarch principle.  While I share the suspicion of Christianity being a jewish plot to weaken whites, perhaps that plan backfired somewhat.  If I'm not mistaken Rome was already degenerating under her bloated empire before adopting Christianity.  German & France did better IIRC while operating under Christianity than under jewish "secularism" (ie Napoleon/French Revolution & Weimar).  Much of the supposed faults of Christianity (ie causing "Dark Ages") are due to corruption, ignorance etc & not intrinsic faults of Christianity.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: burford on April 15, 2012, 08:42:25 PM
If and when you have a moment, please visit  Gerry Frederic's Website (http://www.germancross.com/indice.htm) you will find it most informative.

Thank you for posting this link SG.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 15, 2012, 09:10:45 PM
Born here, 3rd generation, grandparents born in the old country.

Don't feel bad, same description could be used for Poles. You may be surprised, but I consider Germany more advanced in many ways...

I don't feel bad, Frank - however, certain elements behind the scenes did an awful of lot of damage. Germany had no oil, but their intellectual wealth was the best war-booty EVER.

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But along with rise of anti-Christianity in elite circles in 'enlightened' Germany and misguided actions by Prussian militarist elements which drew Germany into both WW, I think my criticism has justification.

To my knowledge there was NO anti Christianity in Germany that I know of. You might want to look a little further east ~ Ex Soviet Union.

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Satan use both the Kaiser & Hitler.

I disagree, the ''Satan'' that you are talking about, sounds like heavy j-propaganda, Frank, we know very well how good they are at that when it comes to misinformation.

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However modern Germany is a relatively young nation with much promise

Sad to say that, but Mrs. Merkel is just another oh-so-willing tool, picked and groomed by the you-know-who. Years in advance, just like here... Sad but true.

Visit and read some articles here: http://www.germancross.com/indice.htm - also http://carolynyeager.net/

"SEE NEW ARTICLES: GERMANY, HITLER, HOLOCAUST, ALLIED ATROCITIES, CONCENTRATION CAMP, WAR CRIMES, JEWIS THOUGHT".

He also wrote: Did you know that one of the 'jewels' in Philadelphia was Germantown and that this area, after the Germans left has deteriorated into a cesspool?

Did you know that the same can be said of all areas worldwide from which the German settlers have either been removed by force of arms, or left voluntarily? The Balkans, the Volgas region, the Sudetenland, Pomerania, Silesia, West Prussia, East Prussia. First the Germans come and create and built like noone else, then they are mass-murdered and the rest is driven out and subsequently these regions degenerate to an unfathomable degree.

Would someone please explain this insanity to me?

1936: Churchill stated in a conversation: "Germany is getting too strong. We must smash her".

And they blame Adolf - ha, ha, ha.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 15, 2012, 09:18:00 PM
Thank you for posting this link SG.

My pleasure, you are welcome.  :)
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 15, 2012, 09:48:10 PM
Racial tension is also big problem with importing loads of radically different ppl.

Absolutely, this is exactly what has been happening, it was planned that way, the intent was/is to weaken the racial fabric of the nation.

To the PTB, unity is bad, chaos is good. 
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 15, 2012, 11:01:13 PM
(http://www.germancross.com/PolArt/HistPolFacObs.jpg) (http://www.germancross.com/PolArt/Historical%20And%20Political%20Facts%20And%20Observations.htm)

By Gerry Frederics (older article, very passionate and informative.)

Did you know that one of the 'jewels' in Philadelphia was Germantown and that this area, after the Germans left has deteriorated into a cesspool?

Did you know that the same can be said of all areas worldwide from which the German settlers have either been removed by force of arms, or left voluntarily? The Balkans, the Volgas region, the Sudetenland, Pomerania, Silesia, West Prussia, East Prussia. First the Germans come and create and built like noone else, then they are mass-murdered and the rest is driven out and subsequently these regions degenerate to an unfathomable degree.

Would someone please explain this insanity to me?

The vilification, defamation and attempted destruction of Germans and all things related to Germany, including its territory is in historical terms a relatively new phenomenon. It is also the most virulent ever experienced by any group of peoples. That we Germans have contributed to this insanity is quite clear and in many instances utterly incomprehensible, as in the case of Marlene Dietrich, Thomas Mann, Pastor Niemoeller, Admital Canaris or General Halder for instance. One of the major causes however is an underlying inferiority complex by other nations, real or imagined something skilfully used by World Jewry, which has since the early 19th. century done everything conceivable to destroy us and Western Civilization as we know it. Why? Because we Germans have in the past 200 or-so-years been the main-stay of Western Civilization. We inherited it and enriched it immensely in every area of human endeavor, far out of proportion to our numbers or geographic area. This in turn gave rise to a feeling of superiority in the German, which unfortunately caused an attitude which has been perceived as arrogant by others even if under examination we are no more arrogant, and a damn sight less so, than the French, the English, not to forget the most chauvinistic people on earth (and one might ask, on what basis?) the Poles.

The Jew is incapable of tolerating any other people and many prominent Jews have openly admitted this as their reason for constantly attempting to destroy civilizations. In order to subvert the Germans, their pride, self confidence and their very soul have to be destroyed first. This has so far been accomplished by a combination of incessant international vilification, by the invariable de-humanization of the Germans in movies, books, "Eye-witness reports" (strangely never backed up by any solid evidence, as well as getting more shrill, more insane and intense the further away from the actual events we move time-wise), by the utter destruction of all Germanic virtues and the corruption of their youth. Everything German is 'hateful' and pointing out the ugliness, the de-humanizing injustice that this represents is screechingly denounced as 'hate-speech'. Hate, as defined by the Jewish masters of the world is anything German or anyone who defends Germany's honor and record. This has been done to the degree, that reasonable people go into a rage when confronted by someone who merely says: "Prove Germann perfidy. Prove German crimes. Prove the Holocaust. Prove the existence of gas chambers. Prove the photos and movies and stories are true.

* Prove it with FORENSIC, DOCUMENTARY evidence, as required in any court of law!" Normal, decent people go ballistic and mindlessly screech "Nazi!"

* At the Nuremberg trials numerous photos were introduced as 'evidence', photos which in reality showed murdered, roasted alive German women and children at Dresden in February 1945. Movies were introduced, which had been professionally made using half-starved German prisoners Of War, who had been put into Concentration Camp inmate uniforms and had been placed behind barbed wire fences. The incredible dishonesty of the English-speaking world which engineered these things surely seeks its equal in the annals of recorded history.

On the other hand prove of anything anti-German is not only superfluous, it's regarded as wholly unnecessary. German guilt is a priori, it's gospel, it's a religion and the more absurd, the more people believe it, just like a religion. Indubitable proof-positive that the Jew lives by the lie however is 'hate'. Never mind that Voltaire, Tacitus, St.Thomas Aquinus, Martin Luther, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Napoleon Bonaparte, George Bernard Shaw, Franz Liszt, Richard Wagner and the list of true giants who said exactly that, is endless.

This subject has been treated at length by many people better qualified than I. I suggest you obtain and study the following books:

        1) The International Jew, by Henry Ford, no ISBN #, available from CPA Book Publisher P.O.Box 596,
        Boring, Oregon, 97009, USA

        2) The Protocols Of Zion, unknown author(s?), same publisher

        3) Falsehoods In Wartime, by Arthur Ponsonby,ISBN 0-939484-39-0

        OR:

        Contact 'Liberty Bell Publications' at P.O.Box 21, Reedy, WV 25270, USA for a plethora of publications,
        pamphlets and books.

Furthermore go to the links-page on this web site to obtain a large number of publishers and web-sites which bring you information simply not available at your local book store. No, no, no, those people aren't wild-eyed 'extremists'. Their work is invariably well researched, complete with foot-notes and all sorts of annotations. Their work is well documented . "The Protocols of Zion" however are not in addition to being authored by unknown persons. Hence the frantic attempts by World Jewry to discredit them as 'forgeries'. However, since everything predicted in them has so far come true, only a Jew or borderline insane fundamental Christian like Pat Robertson or his corrupt and thieving ilk would deny their veracity. You see folks, Christianity has brought us the likes of Pat Roberstson, Jerry Falwell, Gary Bauer or George Bush Jr. (who tells us, he receives his instructions from God personally!), borderline religiously insane people who claim the Jews to be God's Chosen!, a claim from the bible (a book written by Jews), a claim no one in his right mind could possibly ever take seriously. But leave it up to the folks just mentioned, or the freak who is the present-day German President (Rau) or ANY fundamental Christian, including the Polak-Pope, and you end up with a situation were evil, pure, unmitigated horror, rules.

It's simple, if you are interested in "THE TRUTH", you'll search it out for yourself as I did. If you are not, you shouldn't waste your time visiting a site like this one, but you should go back to your Jew-tube, drink Coca-Cola, eat McDonalds and get ever more fat, sloppy, undisciplined and stupid. As I told a fellow, if you are sincere and really get into this thing, it will boggle your mind.

"It was usual and plausible to paint the German as an unpractical, dreamy, sentimental being, looking out with mild blue eyes into a cloud of music and metaphysics and tobacco smoke."

The English historian Frederic William Maitland, describing how Germans were looked upon in 19th. century England.

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"The Germans are a nation of poets and thinkers, kindly, impractical, other-worldly dreamers without national prejudices and disinclined to war.'

Madam de Stael, prominent French writer during Napoleon's times

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"Whether seen in their newly united nation (1871) or in the United States, the Germans were generally regarded as methodical and energetic people, indeed as models of progress, while in their devotion to music, education, science and technology they aroused the admiration and emulation of the Americans."

Henry Cord Meyer, American historian describing American attitudes of the latter half of the 19th. century.

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Germany is the cradle of law, virtue and freedom and it is a distinction of the first rank that the English belong to the family of Germanic nations.

Thomas Arnold, 19th. century English historian.

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"Germany, from a great confused mass of warriors and thinkers and workers, militant at cross-purposes, wearing themselves out in vain struggles and preyed upon by malevolent neighbors, has become a great power in arms, in art, in science, in literature; a fortress of high thought; a guardian of civilization; the natural ally of every nation which seeks the better development of humanity.

"Andrew Dickson White, American historian and educator, US Ambassador to Germany in 1905

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If the German Emperor had not been born to monarchy, he would have been chosen monarch - or chief executive - by popular vote of any modern people among whom his lot might have been cast

"Nicholas Murray Butler in a New York Times editorial of June 8 1913!

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"The German Emperor Wilhelm the 2nd, is the world's greatest single force for peace at the time.

"William Howard Taft, American statesman, in the New York Times on June 8 1913!

ONE YEAR later, the same newspaper would call our Emperor "The Beast of Berlin" and a campaign of hate and poison against Germany would engulf the minds of people all over the globe, a campaign engineered in and fueled by London. This horror of dishonesty has born fruit to this very day and has completely corrupted all people, even those of education. This campaign of "Hate-Germany" laid the foundation for WW2, its unparalleled horrors and its aftermath. It also represents the carpet on which the Jewish Holocaust-religion, movies, books etc. are resting. Without this British anti-German campaign, no one in his right mind would ever even begin to believe the Jew-concocted stories, stories which have been discredited to such a degree, that it is unfathomable.

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I could go on and on with quotes showing how Germany was admired and honored in the English world, but what for? If the above quotes do not suffice, nothing will, because not only were the comments about Germany glowing, there were none which were negative. Literally every man and woman of any importance in the English speaking world was pro-German.

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Historical Time-line:

1933: World Jewry declares war on Germany

World Jewry dispatches a Herr Untermeyer to the United States who makes the insane claim that tens of thousands of Jews are being are being murdered in broad daylight in Germany. That he was called a liar of the worst stripe by every foreigner who visited Germany at the time predictably had no effect on his Jewish zeal for dishonesty, lies and subterfuge.

1933: World Jewry declares a world-wide boycott of German goods, a boycott which almost bankrupted my country at the time, but which failed due to Hitler's tough stance and his policies which began to make Germany more and more independent of international machinations.

1933: Toward the very end of the year, Hitler gave a speech in which he publicly outlined his plans, his desire for peace, his admiration for the British Empire, his Hands-Off the British Empire policy and his desire to arrive at fair and equitable internationl agreements. He denounced the Versailles treaty and announced his intention of cancelling all that had to do with these infamous treaties. He also informed the League Of Nations that if they would continue their anti-German stance, he would quit this organization. No foreign politician (with the exceptioin of Jew Rossevelt in the White House) thought any of his statements to be 'extreme', 'threatening' or unreasonable.

1934: Germany concludes a friendship pact with Marshal Pilsudski of Poland, much to the chagrin of England and the Jew-led US, who had hoped this pact would fail. (After Pilsudskis death in 1936, England and the US used every ruse imaginable to induce Poland to break the treaty. England and the US made every attempt at stirring up hate in Poland against Germany. As we know, unfortunately they succeeded in their diplomatic treachery and essentially maneuvered Germany into a war. After the defeat of Poland, Hitler ordered a 24-hour Honor-Guard at the tomb of Marshall Pilsudski. Had Pilsudski lived, I dare say, there wouldn't have been a WW2. See the article "Poland and Germany" on this web-site).

1934: The prominent (and incidentally excellent) Jewish writer Emil Ludwig (I think that was his pen name only) said: "Hitler will have his war, whether he wants one or not". This at a time, when war was the furthest thing from Hitler's mind. He had after all inherited a bankrupt, morally desperate country without any military to speak of, a country in need of everything. (Considering Ludwig was an insider and well connected with Jewish leaders throughout the world, it is a safe bet to say he knew something!)

1934: Hitler crushes by force a rebellion brewing within his own party. Many leaders all over the world praised Hitler's decision to use force against his opponents because had he not, a revolution with possibly terrible consequences would have engulfed Germany.

1936: Jablonsky, the top Jew in the slavic world stated in a speech: "Germany is a threat to world Jewry and therefore must be destroyed". (This was after the Nurnberg Laws had been passed, laws which were less restrictive of Jews than present-day laws in Israel are restrictive of none-Jews!)

1936: Churchill stated in a conversation: "Germany is getting too strong. We must smash her".

1936: Hitler stated repeatedly (as he had during the previous years) his desire to see all of Europe disarm. At that time Germany was the least armed country in all of Europe. Czechoslovakia for example, had an army well equipped with the latest British military hardware. Germany was totally surrounded by nations, which were armed to the teeth. Hitler's pleadings fell on deaf ears.

1936: Stalin's Cheka, his Jewish created, organized and led secret police, invaded every German village in the Ukraine and murdered every man between the ages of 14 and 60. These ethnic Germans were pacifistic Mennonites and had lived there for centuries. Some of their mass graves were discovered in the 1990's.

1936: Germany conducts the most successful Olympic Games in the history of mankind. No special security was necessary. No drug tests were necessary, no tests 'proving' an athlete was female (the absurdity of this modern 'improvement' is something not even Kafka could have dreamed up) and no one was discriminated against in any manner on or off the playing field. The German people hailed athletes for their prowess, regardless of what nation they were or what race they belonged to. Jesse Owens, the great black American runner waxed enthusiastically afterward as to how wonderful Germany had been. Leni Riefenstahl the great German movie director made a monumental movie of (not about!), the games which prove the unparalleled fairness of the german audience.

1936: The Hindenburg, the greatest airship the world had ever seen crashes in new Jersey under mysterious circumstances putting a halt to one of modern history's greatest air-transport developments forever. To this day rumors persist that this magnificent air-ship was sabotaged. Whether American authorities did their best to discover what happened is unfortunately improbable.

1938: The Polish Ambassador to Germany writes a long letter to his home office describing the outstanding level of culture and civilization of Germany's cities. He describes how depressing by comparison are the cities of Poland.

1938: The Polish Ambassador to the United States writes a letter to his home office, detailing how the entire information apparatus, newspapers, magazines, movies and the radio in the US are in Jewish hands and how the average American receives no news whatsoever regarding the way things really are.

1939: President Roosevelt sends his personal envoy to Poland to stir up anti-German feelings wherever he can. Mr. Bullock (Jewish? I think so, but do not know for sure) obliges.

1939: President Roosevelt maneuvers Japan into an untenable position, removes the majority of the modern Pacific fleet from Hawaii, leaving behind mostly ships which had been slated to be de-commissioned within a year. Almost all modern ships were sent on maneuvers to Alaska. In order to make things look good, Roosevelt kept one or two modern navy ships at Hawaii. Roosevelt sacrificed the entire garrison on Hawaii in order to maneuver the US into the war, thereby making it a world war. (An interesting book, shock-full of information. Apologetic and badly written, but damning in its conclusions nonetheless. "The Day of Deceit" ISBN 0-684-85339-6

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1941: The first plan on how to totally murder an entire nation is published in the USA to great applause of the White House, Time Magazine and everyone else with influence. The plan has gone down in history as the Kaufman Plan and is entitled "Germany Must Perish". It is such a hatefilled, insane proposition, that any psychiatrist worth his diploma would have the author committed to an institution for the criminally insane. Alas, because Theodore Kaufman was a top dog in the Jewish community, he was not only hailed, but made tons of money with his insanity, because every Jew and governmental official bought a copy. It pays to remember that this 'plan' was conceived and printed at a time when the USA was neutral and not officially involved in any war with Germany.

1941: Winston Churchill's eminence gris, a certain Professor Lindemann, scientifically (!) worked out a plan to murder the German civilian population by air attack. This plan, which has gone down in history as the "Lindemann Plan", resulted in the murder of about one million women and children, roasted to death (very literally roasted, even melted (!), the heat having been so intense that bodies 'melted' and formed a horrible morass in the basemets of houses), the total destruction of the majority of German civilian population centers, the destruction of inestimable cultural monuments, buildings, museums and the like. This is truly the first and possibly only scientifically designed plan to murder an entire population and its horror cannot be overstated. This Professor Lindemann was educated at Darmstadt University and emigrated to England in the late 1920's. He is listed today as a Lord Cherwell, a monster of indescribable proportions, a Jew of course. It must be remembered here that no plan of any kind for the destruction of world Jewry has ever been found, and frankly, even if there had been such a plan, in view of history it certainly would have been justified.

1943: Early in the year Roosevelts personal advisor and friend, the truly revolting looking Jew Henry Morgenthau Jr. wrote the Morgenthau Plan, the third plan for the annihilation of the German people. All three plans were written in the English-speaking world by English-speaking Jews! and there are still Germans who who don't believe the Jew and the Englishman is our deadly enemy?? What the hell does it take? The Morgenthau Plan quite seriously stated, that if implemented about 40 million Germans would die of starvation. This plan, a good part of which actually was implemented after the war, was hailed as a milestone. It is interesting to note here, that Morgenthau's father planted falsified diplomatic dispatches from the Turkish embassy in 1915, dipatches which helped maneuver the US into the first war to destroy Germany (1914-1918).

1944: "I am not interested in any military targets. What I want to know is how we are going to burn alive 600.000 German refugees in Dresden" - Winston Churchill

1945: After the possibly most heroic struggle for its existence in the history of the world, Germany surrenders. The German government is humiliated unbelievably by the British. Men are screamed at, told to strip, forced to undergo body searches, Fieldmarshall Milch's arm is broken during his arrest by a British (what else?) colonel, several German generals and lower ranked soldiers commit suicide after witnessing the horrible, DE-humanizing treatment accorded their superiors.

1945: Millions of German women and children are kidnapped and shipped to Siberia as slaves. Only a small part ever returns home, a home now belonging to none-German strangers who abuse, rape and murder them. An interesting book about this is: "The Whip , My Homecoming", ISBN 0940715 01 8 . This book is prohibited in Germany.

1945: The Americans and the French create the most inhuman prison system in world history, also called "Eisenhower's Death Camps" by the Canadian press of the time. About one million German soldiers are murdered there by disease, starvation, neglect, lack of shelter and hygenic conditions of the most horrendous nature. I suggest Canadian historian's James Bacque's book "Other Losses", ISBN 0-7737-2269-6. I have heard that this book has in the meantime undergone several revisions, including one which minimizes the horrors, in order for it to be permitted to be published in the US. I cannot vouch for the accuracy of this, but I do know, that the ISBN number I furnished herein is not "Cleaned Up" in any manner, but is the original. Again, prohibited in Germany.

1946: The German government and some military leaders are humiliatingly put on trial at Nurnberg, a trial in which all legalities are suspended with, a trial in which defense is practically not allowed, in which hear-say evidence is accepted as 'fact', including hear-say evidence by people no one has ever been able to locate! Photographs of piles of burned bodies are shown and it is claimed these photos are of dead Jews, when in truth they were photos of dead German women and children, burned to a crisp during the genocidal, insane mass murder by British and Americans air forces at the city of Dresden, earlier in the year 1945. Germans are routinely tortured by Americans and British 'soldiers', practically all Jews. Many were executed on falsified evidence, evidence which in any court in any land, at any time, wouldn't even be permitted by the judge. It has been suggested that they were ritually (Kosher) murdered before being being hung. This claim is based on the official American photographs taken of the bodies after their death..

Whether this is so or not cannot be determined. What is however proven is that they were all strangled to death over a long period of time. The executions lasted several hours, almost an entire day during which the condemned men had to listen to the death-rattle of the man being slowly strangled to death before them. There were no autopsies. Autopsies would have shown the executions to have been inhuman murders. The bodies were burned and the ashes were dumped in the Isar river. The wives and children, the parents and siblings of the murdered Germans were not even given the courtesy of a notification. These horrors are today protected by law in Germany. It is illegal in Germany to question the Nurnberg trials. If any further proof of the present-day enslavement of the Germans is needed I don't know what that could possibly be. The English chief prosecutor was a certain Sir Shawcross who engaged in a virulent 5 hour (!) diatribe, filled with inaccuracies, total lies and innuendos including smearing the great German poet and scientists, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.

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In early July 2003 Sir Shawcross died peacefully at his home in England. He was 101 years of age at the time of his demise. He is proof that one does not pay for injustices committed during ones lifetime, no matter how heinous. He lived in total peace off a tremendous government pension, honored and respected by his peers, his country and the legal community in the English speaking world. In reality what we have here is a murderer, who was hiding in a judicial robe, a murderer far more evil and virulent than let's say, a Charles Manson - type. He not only gave a speech, which as a man in the highest government circles he had to know, was full of the worst wartime propaganda and out-and-out lies, but he participated in the slaughter of men who had, for the most part done no more than their duties, something he was well aware of.

He let himself become part of the most vile judicial proceedings known to man, a "Show Trial", in which the outcome is per-determined, in which all rules of law are dispensed with, in which known perjured testimony is presented as fact, in short he committed every crime against the law known to man, all hidden by 'legalities' which were no more legal, honest or forthright than the worst parts of the Salem witchcraft trials. The Salem trials at least were held in an atmosphere of abject ignorance and superstition and the judges deep down truly believed they were doing the correct thing. At Nurnberg however, the evil was so monstrous, that it is an impossibility that these men actually believed in their cause. They were, to a man no more than thugs in legal robes, bent on murdering and torturing innocent men.

This self-same monster, Lord Shawcross, had plenty of time to reflect upon his actions and his personal vileness, all in the comfort of butler-attended evenings in 'The Club', that venerable British institution were horrors in human form puke lies at each other, swilling French cognac and smoking Cuban cigars at the expense of the English tax payers who are forever kept on the level of brutal soccer hoodlums waving the Union Jack and mindlessly howling slogans when not beating someone to a bloody pulp in true British fashion. As time went on, Shawcross began to fear for his own existence, for his precious British club-life which he saw ominously threatened by Soviet communism. Here's what happened;

      In a speech on March 16 1984, 38 years after the mass murders on the German government had been committed under amongst others, his auspices at Nurmberg, he said:

Step by step, I have arrived at the conviction that the aims of Communism in Europe are sinister and fatal.

(This is exactly what Adolf Hitler had stated as early as 1923! It took this British son of a bitch until 1984 to realize the same thing! It required the total absolute destruction of the greatest nation in Europe, Germany and the mass murder , under the most unbelievably brutal conditions of practically 25% of the German population for this rotten bastard to realize this basic truism!)

At the Nurnberg trials, I, together with my Russian colleagues condemned Nazi agression and terror.

(This bastard talks about 'Russian colleagues' and about Nazi aggression and terror, knowing fully well that the Nazi's 'aggression' was no more than normal and justified defense and that their 'terror' couldn't hold a candle to the terror he and his goddamned nation had wrought.)

I believe now that Hitler and the German people did not want war.

(No shit, Jack? Why didn't you bastard read the diplomatic dispatches Hitler kept on sending to your corrupt government? Why didn't you pay attention to who said what to whom? And who actually did what he said and promised?

But we (England) declared war on Germany, intent on destroying it, in accordance with our principle of Balance of Power and we were encouraged by the 'Americans' around Roosevelt.

(I hate to repeat myself, but again, No shit, Jack? It took you no good son of a bitch until 1984 to realize England declared war, despite Hitler's quasi desperate pleadings for peace? You could have read that little tidbit of information in your own encyclopedia, you stupid bastard! It took you until 1984 to realize Germany wanted peace, after dozens of diplomatic dispatches to every government in Europe throughout the 1930's proclaimed exactly that?, after years and years of sincere efforts by the Hitler government? Where the hell were you, you Eton-faggott? were you asleep inside of a Jews colon like the rest of your degenerate nation?

You were encouraged by "AMERICANS" around Roosevelt? How about by Jews, you son of a bitch?, don't you have the minimum amount of courage necessary at this late stage in your life to call Jews Jews? You British mass-murderer know damn well you are puking about JEWS!)

We ignored Hitler's pleadings not to enter into war.

(See the above commentary)

Now we are forced to realize Hitler was right.

(and this stupid ass was the British top dog in the legal profession!)

He offered us the co-operation of Germany; instead since 1945 we have been facing the immense power of the Soviet empire. I feel ashamed and humiliated to see the aims we accused Hitler of, are being relentlessly pursued now, only under a different label.

(Well, well now. After a totally unjustified slaughter of my nation this pig in human form feels 'ashamed and humiliated', not because of the race-traitorous character of his country, but because the commies fooled him, or so he claims. No Shawcross, no one fooled you. You and your whiskey-soaked British faggotts at #10 Downing Street knew all along. You are degenerates, you are the filth of the western world, you are worse than the Jews and that is saying something! As Savitri Devi has stated, you and your filthy governments can't hold a candle to Hitler, because you can't even say a pitiful "I am sorry" after you realize your degeneracy, your dishonesty, your moral bankruptcy. Shawcross, I for one hope you and your 'colleagues' burn and roast in a special corner of Dante's Inferno)

1) It's not that this bastard ever thought of the horrible immorality of what he had done.

2) Or that he ever considered making a clean sweep and saying something to the effect that he was truly sorry for his actions.

3) Or that he exonerated his innocent victims, restoring to them some semblance of honor. Heavens no. Nothing like that.

4) Or that he exonerated the German nation (even though, in a way he did, but then again he didn't really do it being typically lawyeresque and vague)

5) For that he lacked the courage, he lacked the backbone, he lacked the humanity he lacked the decency. After all, he was a British judge, 'nuff said.

You see, that is what infuriates me about all of these bastards who seemingly come clean, Finkelstein, Shahak, Sack, Chomsky or this British bastard Shawcross. When push comes to shove, all of them stop short of saying:

"We were wrong. The history books lie. The way the world has been indoctrinated is untruthful. The Holocaust is really the Holohoax and it's high time we apologize for the massive injustice done to Germany."

None of them admit it. None. What they all do say, is common knowledge to well-informed people who have been seeking the truth and it is only those people who read their stuff and comment on it, while at the same time the same old tired lies are amplified, are even more wildly exaggerated in the movies, educational text books, churches, synagogues and other indoctrination centers. You see, it doesn't matter what these 'scholars' write.

"Hate-Germany", "Holocaust this, that or the other", "Hitler-this, that or the other", continue unabated and all those 'honest' Finkelsteins of the world grin disdainfully and collect their monstrous blood-money in undeserved Holohoax checks. What I said about Shawcross as it relates to Dante's Inferno holds true for all these monstrously dishonest degenerates.



Wow, now that was a mouthful!
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: laconas on April 16, 2012, 05:35:17 AM
I think it's an oversimplification to say Greco-Roman culture was all good & Christianity was all bad.  Plato/Pythagoras were good; Aristotle was bad...humanity & science vs oligarch principle.  While I share the suspicion of Christianity being a jewish plot to weaken whites, perhaps that plan backfired somewhat.  If I'm not mistaken Rome was already degenerating under her bloated empire before adopting Christianity.  German & France did better IIRC while operating under Christianity than under jewish "secularism" (ie Napoleon/French Revolution & Weimar).  Much of the supposed faults of Christianity (ie causing "Dark Ages") are due to corruption, ignorance etc & not intrinsic faults of Christianity.

Christianity had the positive effect of unifying the various European tribes and offered stability even though it set back human progress of the mind.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: FrankDialogue on April 16, 2012, 08:06:45 AM
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Did you know that one of the 'jewels' in Philadelphia was Germantown and that this area, after the Germans left has deteriorated into a cesspool?

This guy nuts...Germantown, Mt Airy & Chestnut Hill are all beautiful residential and historical areas with small pockets of low class Blacks and associated kulture.

There is more extensive green park space adjacent to these areas than anywhere in the city.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: FrankDialogue on April 16, 2012, 08:25:56 AM
Christianity had the positive effect of unifying the various European tribes and offered stability even though it set back human progress of the mind.
Buddy, you way off base with part 2...

The Church, except for some reactionary elements was the civilizing element in Europe and promoted the expansion of human knowledge ...Perhaps you have never heard of Aquinas and many others...Walt Disney has written extensively on this and documented this...The Church respected the contribution of the Greeks and Romans.

The alternative was Muslim law, Talmudic law or Germanic paganism entailing worship of Thor, Wotan or the sun and the moon.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: burford on April 16, 2012, 10:06:32 AM
...Germantown, Mt Airy & Chestnut Hill are all beautiful residential and historical areas with small pockets of low class Blacks and associated kulture.

There is more extensive green park space adjacent to these areas than anywhere in the city.

I agree. The heyday of Germantown development was primarily 120-100 years ago with many, many single family mansions. When the depression hit the mansions were abandoned (by Whites) and those that weren’t left to rot where turned into retirement homes, apartments, schools or put to some other use – if repairs and maintenance weren’t too costly, otherwise they just sat deteriorating for half a century. Many of the smaller houses were abandoned then too – I say smaller but we’re still talking about 2,400+ sq ft duplexes (twins). The decline of the neighborhood had nothing to do with the future inhabitants who tried, and eventually succeeded at restoring it, it just took 50 years or so. I was always surprised how you could be on a really bad, ghetto looking street with half of the row houses abandoned and the next block over were beautiful huge, well-maintained houses. Today, many of those mansions and huge houses are again single family residents own by prosperous Blacks.

It was not unlike today’s real estate debacle where there are whole towns of brand new homes and stores throughout Florida (among other places) that have become ghost towns overgrown with weeds.

Most of Mt Airy was built in the late 30s-50s and didn’t suffer the real estate bust of the depression. The neighborhoods are primarily Black and very well kept.

Chestnut hill has always been nice.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 16, 2012, 11:29:38 AM
This guy nuts...Germantown, Mt Airy & Chestnut Hill are all beautiful residential and historical areas with small pockets of low class Blacks and associated kulture.

There is more extensive green park space adjacent to these areas than anywhere in the city.

Frank, he is not nuts, he is angry about the lies and deceptions. Where were you when WWII broke out? 

Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: burford on April 16, 2012, 01:46:41 PM
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Germantown, Mt Airy & Chestnut Hill are all beautiful ...

I agree. The heyday of Germantown development ... etc...

p.s. I agree entirely with the rest of the article and do NOT think the guy is nuts. He just blew it on the Germantown thing.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: EyeBelieve on April 16, 2012, 07:31:51 PM
Buddy, you way off base with part 2...

The Church, except for some reactionary elements was the civilizing element in Europe and promoted the expansion of human knowledge ...Perhaps you have never heard of Aquinas and many others...Walt Disney has written extensively on this and documented this...The Church respected the contribution of the Greeks and Romans.

The alternative was Muslim law, Talmudic law or Germanic paganism entailing worship of Thor, Wotan or the sun and the moon.

Heh, tv's (jewish) Family Guy show blatantly claimed that without the supposed baleful effect of Christianity we'd be living like the Jetsons.  But to me speculating on what could have developed is almost pointless, who knows what sort of alternative religion or gov't would have evolved in Europe?  As for Jesus himself IIRC he didn't lecture much on science or education either pro or con.

BTW when I saw mention of Germantown & Mt Airy it threw me for a moment since Maryland also has towns of that name.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: laconas on April 16, 2012, 07:40:02 PM
Heh, tv's (jewish) Family Guy show blatantly claimed that without the supposed baleful effect of Christianity we'd be living like the Jetsons.  But to me speculating on what could have developed is almost pointless, who knows what sort of alternative religion or gov't would have evolved in Europe?  As for Jesus himself IIRC he didn't lecture much on science or education either pro or con.


The Romans were big on plumbing infrastructure. I'm sure we would had indoor flushable toilets 1,600 years ago. To put this perspective, the first indoor toilet at the WH was installed around 1850.

Yes, public sanitation is a big deal.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: EyeBelieve on April 16, 2012, 08:04:55 PM
The Romans were big on plumbing infrastructure. I'm sure we would had indoor flushable toilets 1,600 years ago. To put this perspective, the first indoor toilet at the WH was installed around 1850.

Yes, public sanitation is a big deal.

Romans did some great things for sure.  I saw a tv show about the sewage problems in London & Paris; can't remember exact dates but it was pretty awful before mid-1800's.  OTOH Rome was devastated by the 64 AD fire.  Also it was "mostly the wealthy" (Wiki) that had houses connected to sewers.

Of course Rome was hardly free from religion; I once read a book that claimed their calendar had become so infested with religious/gov't holidays that basically 1/3 of days had some sort of holiday, interfering with work, commerce etc.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: graybeard on April 16, 2012, 09:02:54 PM
Buddy, you way off base with part 2...

The Church, except for some reactionary elements was the civilizing element in Europe and promoted the expansion of human knowledge ...Perhaps you have never heard of Aquinas and many others...Walt Disney has written extensively on this and documented this...The Church respected the contribution of the Greeks and Romans.

The alternative was Muslim law, Talmudic law or Germanic paganism entailing worship of Thor, Wotan or the sun and the moon.

I can see how the Church was a 'civilizing element', but I'm a bit leary about its contribution to the expansion of human knowledge (I do admit that my knowledge of history is a bit on the deficient side);  some people blame the Church for the Dark Ages, claiming that the Church promoted religious superstition (articles of faith) while discouraging 'scientific' inquiry into nature that would have promoted the advancement of human knowledge.   It would strike me as strange to label the Church's treatment of Galileo as a 'reactionary exception'. 

I've also been told that the Catholic Church actively DISCOURAGED the flock from reading the Bible, and conducted worship services in Latin so that people didn't even know what was being said.  I never thought about it before, but I presume that the Church wasn't exactly thrilled when the GERMAN  Gutenberg invented the printing press.

Could it be that the Church tried to prohibit the expansion of human secular knowledge as long as it was possible, but threw in the towel after losing the struggle...and suddenly dashed to the front and took an active role in promoting education (so it could retain a degree of control over the minds of the people)?  Certainly in modern times people have and do send their children to Catholic schools for superior education.

Regarding the Christian faith...it would be interesting to read a research paper prepared by an anthropologist, comparing it to a religion whose deities are 'Thor, Wotan or the sun and the moon' to see which belief system produced the more humane and happy and productive people.  Somehow I have a hard time believing that a religion of heeeebroo origin is more conducive to human happiness on this earth than one of gentile (i.e., 'pagan') origin.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: laconas on April 16, 2012, 09:08:21 PM
Romans did some great things for sure.  I saw a tv show about the sewage problems in London & Paris; can't remember exact dates but it was pretty awful before mid-1800's.  OTOH Rome was devastated by the 64 AD fire.  Also it was "mostly the wealthy" (Wiki) that had houses connected to sewers.

Of course Rome was hardly free from religion; I once read a book that claimed their calendar had become so infested with religious/gov't holidays that basically 1/3 of days had some sort of holiday, interfering with work, commerce etc.


Plumbing, gears, and all sorts of devices that were lost forever. I have no doubt things were set-back 1,500, or at least 1,000 years.

And this...

Antikythera mechanism

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/NAMA_Machine_d%27Anticyth%C3%A8re_1.jpg/280px-NAMA_Machine_d%27Anticyth%C3%A8re_1.jpg)
The Antikythera mechanism (main fragment)

The Antikythera mechanism (play /ˌæntɨkɨˈθɪərə/ ANT-i-ki-THEER-ə or /ˌæntɨˈkɪθərə/ ANT-i-KITH-ə-rə) is an ancient mechanical computer[1][2] designed to calculate astronomical positions. It was recovered in 1900–1901 from the Antikythera wreck.[3] Its significance and complexity were not understood until decades later. The construction has been dated to the early 1st century BC. Technological artifacts of similar complexity and workmanship did not reappear until the 14th century, when mechanical astronomical clocks were built in Europe.[4]

Jacques-Yves Cousteau visited the wreck for the last time in 1978,[5] but found no additional remains of the Antikythera mechanism. Professor Michael Edmunds of Cardiff University who led the most recent study of the mechanism said: "This device is just extraordinary, the only thing of its kind. The design is beautiful, the astronomy is exactly right. The way the mechanics are designed just makes your jaw drop. Whoever has done this has done it extremely carefully ... in terms of historic and scarcity value, I have to regard this mechanism as being more valuable than the Mona Lisa."[6][7]

The device is displayed at the National Archaeological Museum of Athens, accompanied by a reconstruction made and donated to the museum by Derek de Solla Price. Other reconstructions are on display at the American Computer Museum in Bozeman, Montana, the Children's Museum of Manhattan in New York, and in Kassel, Germany.

(http://iainmackinnon.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/antikythera-mechanism-restored.jpg?w=174&h=300)

So what did the mechanism do? Well, Wikipedia has this to say about it:
“The Antikythera mechanism (pronounced AN-ti-ki-THEER-ə), is an ancient mechanical calculator (also described as the first known mechanical computer) designed to calculate astronomical positions. It was recovered in 1900–01 from the Antikythera wreck, but its complexity and significance were not understood until decades later. It is now thought to have been built about 150–100 BC. Technological artifacts of similar complexity did not reappear until the 14th century, when mechanical astronomical clocks appeared in Europe.”

Basically, you could use this device to figure out where the planets, moon etc would be for a given time in the future.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: laconas on April 16, 2012, 10:20:02 PM
I can see how the Church was a 'civilizing element', but I'm a bit leary about its contribution to the expansion of human knowledge (I do admit that my knowledge of history is a bit on the deficient side);  some people blame the Church for the Dark Ages, claiming that the Church promoted religious superstition (articles of faith) while discouraging 'scientific' inquiry into nature that would have promoted the advancement of human knowledge.   It would strike me as strange to label the Church's treatment of Galileo as a 'reactionary exception'. 

I've also been told that the Catholic Church actively DISCOURAGED the flock from reading the Bible, and conducted worship services in Latin so that people didn't even know what was being said.  I never thought about it before, but I presume that the Church wasn't exactly thrilled when the GERMAN  Gutenberg invented the printing press.

Could it be that the Church tried to prohibit the expansion of human secular knowledge as long as it was possible, but threw in the towel after losing the struggle...and suddenly dashed to the front and took an active role in promoting education (so it could retain a degree of control over the minds of the people)?  Certainly in modern times people have and do send their children to Catholic schools for superior education.

Regarding the Christian faith...it would be interesting to read a research paper prepared by an anthropologist, comparing it to a religion whose deities are 'Thor, Wotan or the sun and the moon' to see which belief system produced the more humane and happy and productive people.  Somehow I have a hard time believing that a religion of heeeebroo origin is more conducive to human happiness on this earth than one of gentile (i.e., 'pagan') origin.

I agree there were good things and bad things, and over a couple of thousand years Christianity had its ups and downs. It choked-off scientific and technological innovation, but it unified the tribes of Europe and kept Jews, Muslims, Buddists, Hindus, and others out -- it was pretty much impossible for anyone other than a Christian to move into a town get married, set-up shop, and start a new life. Of course there were some exceptions, such as the city sates of Italy and 17th Century Holland. For the most part, Jews in Europe of the last thousand years is a history of them being asked to leave to leave town.

A lot good what if questions and I think about them, and ponder the what if's too. But right now I'm thinking about how in our time censorship, regulations, rules, and laws are leading us to another dark age.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: EyeBelieve on April 16, 2012, 11:42:55 PM

Plumbing, gears, and all sorts of devices that were lost forever. I have no doubt things were set-back 1,500, or at least 1,000 years.

And this...

Antikythera mechanism

That is awesome; LaRouche often refers to ancient Greeks as essential fathers of progressiveness.  Romans had engineering skill yet how much did they actually invent themselves?  Irrigation, roads, bridges, flush toilets weren't new; Rome just had the money to put their knowledge into practice.  But Rome destroyed itself!

& when you talk about things being set back a thousand years that smacks of Marxist/British determinism.  Progress or decline can happen quickly; in the millennial timescale bits of progress can be lost in the overall trends. 

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But right now I'm thinking about how in our time censorship, regulations, rules, and laws are leading us to another dark age.

We're in the zero-progress age, other than computers which took little investment re infrastructure.  Most things in daily life are the same old crap...highways, trains, rockets, nuclear plants based on 1950 tech.  No real qualitative jump for decades.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: wag on April 17, 2012, 05:25:40 AM
I agree there were good things and bad things, and over a couple of thousand years Christianity had its ups and downs. It choked-off scientific and technological innovation, but it unified the tribes of Europe and kept Jews, Muslims, Buddists, Hindus, and others out -- it was pretty much impossible for anyone other than a Christian to move into a town get married, set-up shop, and start a new life.

We talk about how history lies to us, maybe the whole is history is a lie as well.  Especially when it comes to religion.  Even fairly recent history, where we are taught that America was founded by Pilgrims and Quakers and people who were seeking religious freedom.  It makes more sense to me that the new world was just at some point apportioned off to the ruling class, and they used a variety of brutal techniques to bring over poor white slaves (and blacks) to work the land.  History books say those people came here on their own free will, but probably not.  The bigger the thing, the more likely it is a lie.

Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: graybeard on April 17, 2012, 06:59:09 AM
We talk about how history lies to us, maybe the whole is history is a lie as well. 
Maybe not the WHOLE, but it just stands to reason that whoever decides what ideas and texts are sanctioned as 'official' history...may not have historical accuracy as his number one priority.  I like your approach of taking the liberty of dismissing implausible aspects of the STORY and constructing (without taking undue liberty) a more plausible version.  I mean, we find many examples of faulty reporting of current events (such as 9/11);  inserting them into the historical account obviously doesn't change that status.

Especially when it comes to religion. 
Absolutely especially, as religion begins and ends with fiction (except our own, of course).

Even fairly recent history, where we are taught that America was founded by Pilgrims and Quakers and people who were seeking religious freedom.  It makes more sense to me that the new world was just at some point apportioned off to the ruling class, and they used a variety of brutal techniques to bring over poor white slaves (and blacks) to work the land. 
The genius of America was/is persuading the slaves that they weren't/aren't such ('the best slave is the one who thinks he's free').  We Americans 'rule ourselves' via the ballot box don'tcha know;  how could we possibly be slaves???
History books say those people came here on their own free will, but probably not.  The bigger the thing, the more likely it is a lie.
Title: GREEKS FORCED TO RECOGNIZE SUPERIOR GERMAN INTELLIGENCE
Post by: graybeard on April 17, 2012, 07:13:07 AM
Greeks Embrace German Thrift

A Commentary by Georgios Christidis   04/16/2012

REUTERS
 
Greeks used to make fun of German frugality, preferring the example of Hellenic luxury over Germanic thrift. Increasingly, however, they are now embracing Teutonic austerity, and even enjoying the experience.   

For all the hullabaloo and vehement rejection by many of my compatriots of what is considered the "Germanification of Greece" (under the pretense of saving the country from bankruptcy), Greeks are showing increasing signs of not only becoming more like the Germans, but also of enjoying the transformation.


There is not a single Greek who hasn't poked fun at the archetypal German shopper, who, as the anecdote goes, visits his local supermarket and buys one slice of watermelon and exactly four tomatoes. In pre-crisis Greece, such behavior, especially in food shopping, would be frowned upon and considered a source of great embarrassment. The average Greek would go out of his way to avoid demonstrating any kind of thrift, even in the cases of households where four tomatoes would make much more sense than two kilos of tomatoes that may ultimately end up in the garbage.

Since the early 80s, Greeks were conditioned to favor as a role model the luxurious living of the ancient Sybarites of Magna Graecia over the Germanic lifestyle of the ancient Spartans: an apparent hallmark of progress which signalled an end to the deprivation that had been the hallmark of long stretches of modern Greek history.

Consumption became the major source of self-esteem for Greeks, who were spurred on by the expansionary policies of socialist leader Andreas Papandreou. He famously doubled the salaries of public employees after being elected. The trend continued with inflows of EU cohesion funds, which intensified the global economic boom of the 90s.

Greek National Identity

The development culminated during the first decade of the twenty-first century, when cheap credit flooded Greece after the introduction of the euro and led to such banking products as those now nostalgically remembered by credit starved Greeks as "sea-loans" (i.e. private loans to pay for fancy vacations). Spending had become part of our national identity -- and the major pillar of an economy that owed its "economic miracle" to private and public consumption.

How times have changed. Consumption was thrown off its pedestal by the crisis, with Greeks increasingly subscribing to the value of Germanic thrift. According to recent polls, more than eight out of 10 Greeks have cut down their private spending and turned to cheaper products. Taverns are empty on Saturday nights, more and more people have started using wood for heating, car sales have dwindled dramatically and cafeterias, bars and restaurants that used to charge astronomical prices (€6 for a cup of coffee) are now offering "happy hours," periods of reduced prices and other incentives to lure customers.

It is no coincidence that one of the most successful commercials currently on Greek TV (ironically by the German retailer Media Markt) uses the following catchphrase: "There is a such thing as a free lunch."

One could counter that for hundreds of thousands of Greeks, the unemployed, the poor, the ones who have been devastated by the crisis, cutting back on spending is a necessary evil rather than a sign of transformed mentality. But conspicuous consumption is currently rejected even by those Greeks who are still in a position to spend. To them, heavy consumption is -- to paraphrase Talleyrand's disapproving remark on the execution of the Duke of Enghien -- worse than a mistake: it is a faux pas.

Queuing Outside Discount Stores

Nowadays, people who make purchases they would have gloated about to friends and relatives back in the pre-crisis era, go to great lengths to explain their sin, usually by downplaying the cost ("I got this new flat-screen TV with a 50 percent discount and a bonus toaster!"). It is also increasingly considered a cardinal sin to buy fancy things (I know of someone who hides his recently purchased iMac computer whenever he is expecting visitors).

Middle-class people have no problem queuing outside discount stores they would not have deigned to give a second look pre-crisis, and I recently saw a well-dressed man feeling quite comfortable with two sacks of potatoes on his shoulders -- one of the many Greeks enjoying the dramatic drop in the price of the vegetable after producers and consumers decided to get rid of middlemen in what Greeks now call "the potato movement."

People also take a sense of pride in demonstrating to others how the crisis has affected them, and many social gatherings in Greece would now remind filmgoers of a memorable scene from Richard Curtis's Notting Hill, in which the protagonists are having a "misery contest" over dinner, with the one producing the saddest act winning the prize of the last brownie.

'Flatline Spending'


So the German-inspired troika treatment might have been ineffective in salvaging the wreckage of the Greek economy, but it has been more influential on our mentality.

I vividly remember my discussion with a German minister in Berlin a year ago. When I suggested that perhaps Germany should take measures to stimulate private consumption in order to boost the economies of the periphery, he told me that such an effort would be futile.

"Even if you raise the salaries of the Germans, their private spending will remain a flatline," he explained. One would be inclined to wonder what will happen to Europe if its population of spenders is decimated and only producers survive. Who will play the part of the consumer? Here's hoping the Chinese will keep up their love of Mercedes and BMWs and can overcome their lactose intolerance to become diehard fans of feta cheese.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,827737,00.html
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: laconas on April 17, 2012, 06:31:35 PM
We talk about how history lies to us, maybe the whole is history is a lie as well.  Especially when it comes to religion.  Even fairly recent history, where we are taught that America was founded by Pilgrims and Quakers and people who were seeking religious freedom.  It makes more sense to me that the new world was just at some point apportioned off to the ruling class, and they used a variety of brutal techniques to bring over poor white slaves (and blacks) to work the land. History books say those people came here on their own free will, but probably not.  The bigger the thing, the more likely it is a lie.

Well... it was a business. The Pilgrims borrowed money and probably every other group too. Later came the black slaves and the Irish indentured servants.

Is history a lie? If can't even talk about 9/11 or happened during WWII then all of history becomes a belief system. So after this, we can begin to study why the myths that were created and ask what purpose they serve. And it's not easy, we can't even make head or tails of 9/11 beyond the Jews did it.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: wag on April 17, 2012, 07:06:09 PM
And it's not easy, we can't even make head or tails of 9/11 beyond the Jews did it.

Truth in details is useless.  Truth in general is all that matters.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 18, 2012, 08:27:30 AM
I can see how the Church was a 'civilizing element', but I'm a bit leery about its contribution to the expansion of human knowledge (I do admit that my knowledge of history is a bit on the deficient side);  some people blame the Church for the Dark Ages, claiming that the Church promoted religious superstition (articles of faith) while discouraging 'scientific' inquiry into nature that would have promoted the advancement of human knowledge.   It would strike me as strange to label the Church's treatment of Galileo as a 'reactionary exception'.
 
Somehow I have a hard time believing that a religion of heeeebroo origin is more conducive to human happiness on this earth than one of gentile (i.e., 'pagan') origin.

Good points, all of them!

(http://galileo.rice.edu/bio/images/galileo.gif) I remember learning that no episode in the history of the Catholic Church is so misunderstood as the condemnation of Galileo.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: wag on April 19, 2012, 04:27:55 AM
Good points, all of them!

(http://galileo.rice.edu/bio/images/galileo.gif) I remember learning that no episode in the history of the Catholic Church is so misunderstood as the condemnation of Galileo.

We condemn you to the formal prison of this Holy office during our pleasure, and by way of salutary penance we enjoin that for three years to come you repeat once a week at the seven penitential Psalms. Reserving to ourselves liberty to moderate, commute or take off, in whole or in part, the aforesaid penalties and penance...

By whose authority and/or army?
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 19, 2012, 10:11:25 AM
We condemn you to the formal prison of this Holy office during our pleasure, and by way of salutary penance we enjoin that for three years to come you repeat once a week at the seven penitential Psalms. Reserving to ourselves liberty to moderate, commute or take off, in whole or in part, the aforesaid penalties and penance...

By whose authority and/or army?

Rome!

He was an astronomer, in his time a great one, honored and busy researching facts about the planetary system around our sun. This did not suit the church.

Then came the day the "Holy inquisition" made a research on Mr.Galileo and accused him for teaching heresy. If I remember my history, right up to his death he insisted that the earth is turning around the sun, not the other way around.

''Und die Erde dreht sich doch!'' (And the world IS turning!)
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: EyeBelieve on April 19, 2012, 07:00:45 PM
Rome!

He was an astronomer, in his time a great one, honored and busy researching facts about the planetary system around our sun. This did not suit the church.

EWTN had a show about Galileo & his 'persecution' by the church.  I can't remember many details but they noted that Galileo was argumentative & provocative & seemingly went out of his way to get into trouble.  Also they noted that while Galileo is widely taught in schools, one rarely learns how light his punishment was.  So the evil PTB kill two birds with one stone:  libeling the Church as anti-science & more importantly using Galileo's status as 'heroic truth teller' to push fraudulent empiricism as with Newton & many others. 

http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2007/3405_dance_of_bio-fools.html (http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2007/3405_dance_of_bio-fools.html)

Galileo's Leanings

To understand, and, hopefully, cure, the most widespread corruption in taught science today, it is most useful that we take into account the role of a man who was a nasty, and also influential rogue for his time, Galileo Galilei. We must understand, thus, the rot which Galileo, such among his successors as René Descartes, and the largely fictive figure of Sir Isaac Newton, expressed in forms such as the already referenced Eighteenth-Century cases of de Moivre, d'Alembert, Euler, and Lagrange, and, also, Laplace, Augustin Cauchy, et al.

Galileo Galilei's access to some of Johannes Kepler's work-in-progress, had come through Kepler's correspondence, on the subject of musical tuning, with Galileo's father. Galileo, as an adult, was a hoaxster and a household lackey of the infamous founder of that New Venetian party, Paolo Sarpi, from which the Anglo-Dutch Liberalism of today invaded relevant parts of northern Europe, that during the span of the late Sixteenth, through early and late Seventeenth centuries. Sarpi himself played a key role in the English Cecil faction's virtually sending a still very fertile William Shakespeare, into a proverbial "Coventry," during his last years of his life. This was a consequence of installing Sir Francis Bacon as a power under King James I of England. Sarpi's lackey, Galileo, personally trained Thomas Hobbes. Otherwise, Galileo paralleled the scurrilous role of Robert Fludd in the then-current campaign of attempted defamation of the work of Kepler. Galileo's crude bowdlerization of the work of Kepler, played a key role in the fraudulent English claims attributed to the literary output of the cult of "true believers" built up around black magic-specialist Isaac Newton.[18]

Galileo's own principal accomplishment, putting aside his sundry hoaxes in the name of science, was that of an advisor, on the subject of the reductionist mathematics of gambling, to inveterate gamblers with notable financial means. On that account, there is a line reaching from this side of Galileo's enterprise, then, into the follies of the likes and dupes of LTCM's Morton Scholes and Ben Bernanke today. In Galileo's method, the lie is, that either God, or some rival of the Deity, plays dice with mankind's fate. Indeed, there is a relevant, essential connection between this aspect of Galileo's activities, and the pseudo-scientific apologies of such kindred liars and hoaxsters as Bernard Mandeville, François Quesnay, and plagiarist hoaxster Adam Smith, on the subject of the Anglo-Dutch Liberal view of monetary-financial processes. This specifically empiricist ideology, as merely typified by Galileo, Descartes, and their influence, pervades not only generally accepted monetary-financial thinking, but also the axiomatic assumptions underlying most taught formal scientific method still today.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 19, 2012, 10:17:24 PM
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To understand, and, hopefully, cure, the most widespread corruption in taught science today, it is most useful that we take into account the role of a man who was a nasty, and also influential rogue for his time, Galileo Galilei.... etc.

They never taught us that. Being argumentative & provocative, impatient etc. could have well been true due to frustration, after all, NO ONE believed him at the time.

But then, depending upon who writes the history, we may never know.




Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: EyeBelieve on April 20, 2012, 07:30:06 PM
They never taught us that. Being argumentative & provocative, impatient etc. could have well been true due to frustration, after all, NO ONE believed him at the time.

But then, depending upon who writes the history, we may never know.

Heliocentrism had already been developed by Copernicus, Kepler etc, doubtless it was accepted (perhaps quietly) by a good part of the intelligentsia.  Galileo perhaps banked on powerful support & realized the Church would be reluctant to give him severe punishment, like Ellsberg & Pentagon Papers which only detailed what smart people already knew.
Title: - * Germany - Winter in 1946-1947
Post by: Sue on April 20, 2012, 08:15:33 PM
Heliocentrism had already been developed by Copernicus, Kepler etc, doubtless it was accepted (perhaps quietly) by a good part of the intelligentsia.  Galileo perhaps banked on powerful support & realized the Church would be reluctant to give him severe punishment, like Ellsberg & Pentagon Papers which only detailed what smart people already knew.

Copernicus's cosmology placed a motionless sun not at the centre of the universe, but close to the centre, and also involved giving several distinct motions to the Earth. The problem that Copernicus faced was that he assumed all motion was circular so, like Ptolemy, was forced into using epicycles (see for example [78]). It was consequently considered implausible by the most of his contemporaries, and by most astronomers and natural philosophers until the middle of the seventeenth century. In the intended Preface of De revolutionibus orbium coelestium Copernicus showed that he was fully aware of the criticisms that his work would attract:-

    Perhaps there will be babblers who, although completely ignorant of mathematics, nevertheless take it upon themselves to pass judgement on mathematical questions and, badly distorting some passages of Scripture to their purpose, will dare find fault with my undertaking and censure it. I disregard them even to the extent as despising their criticism as unfounded.

Its notable defenders included Kepler and Galileo while theoretical evidence for the Copernican theory was provided by Newton's theory of universal gravitation around 150 years later.

Die katholische Kirche brauchte noch etwa 360 Jahre bis sie eingestand damals einen Justizirrtum begangen zu haben und Galilei und Kopernikus rehabilitierte.

It took the Catholic Church about 360 years to confess an error of justice and rehabilitated both, Galilai and Kopernicus. 

http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/Biographies/Copernicus.html ~ http://www.wasistwas.de/aktuelles/astronomie-2009/erde-menschen/artikel/link//ed3265e9fb/article/und-die-erde-dreht-sich-doch.html

It does not say anywhere that anywhere that anyone was executed, but it was Galilei who said: ''Und die Erde Dreht sich doch!''. Could have been on his deathbed.
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Post by: EyeBelieve on April 21, 2012, 07:13:46 PM
Copernicus's cosmology placed a motionless sun not at the centre of the universe, but close to the centre, and also involved giving several distinct motions to the Earth. The problem that Copernicus faced was that he assumed all motion was circular so, like Ptolemy, was forced into using epicycles (see for example [78]). It was consequently considered implausible by the most of his contemporaries, and by most astronomers and natural philosophers until the middle of the seventeenth century. In the intended Preface of De revolutionibus orbium coelestium Copernicus showed that he was fully aware of the criticisms that his work would attract:-

    Perhaps there will be babblers who, although completely ignorant of mathematics, nevertheless take it upon themselves to pass judgement on mathematical questions and, badly distorting some passages of Scripture to their purpose, will dare find fault with my undertaking and censure it. I disregard them even to the extent as despising their criticism as unfounded.

Its notable defenders included Kepler and Galileo while theoretical evidence for the Copernican theory was provided by Newton's theory of universal gravitation around 150 years later.

Die katholische Kirche brauchte noch etwa 360 Jahre bis sie eingestand damals einen Justizirrtum begangen zu haben und Galilei und Kopernikus rehabilitierte.

It took the Catholic Church about 360 years to confess an error of justice and rehabilitated both, Galilai and Kopernicus. 

http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/Biographies/Copernicus.html ~ http://www.wasistwas.de/aktuelles/astronomie-2009/erde-menschen/artikel/link//ed3265e9fb/article/und-die-erde-dreht-sich-doch.html

It does not say anywhere that anywhere that anyone was executed, but it was Galilei who said: ''Und die Erde Dreht sich doch!''. Could have been on his deathbed.

Well two wrongs don't make a right; the Church was slow to accept the new cosmology.  OTOH the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.  LaRouche website has a satirical essay about "Why Galileo should not be rehabilitated", unfortunately they only have the first page so I won't bother linking it.  One thing I note about that article is that it says the sneaky Jesuits pushed the attack on Galileo...for what reason isn't stated on the first page.  Since LaRouche generally has a dim view of the Jesuits, I assume their attack on Galileo was some complicated politics.

True that no scholars claim Galileo was executed, but I would guess that millions, with a vague notion of him being "persecuted", probably think so.
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Post by: Sue on April 21, 2012, 09:18:21 PM
True that no scholars claim Galileo was executed, but I would guess that millions, with a vague notion of him being "persecuted", probably think so.

Quite possible.

Depending upon who writes it, history is packed with lies, rumors, and innuendos.
Title: - GREEKS FORCED TO RECOGNIZE SUPERIOR GERMAN INTELLIGENCE
Post by: Sue on April 23, 2012, 12:24:23 PM
Greeks Embrace German Thrift

A Commentary by Georgios Christidis   04/16/2012

REUTERS
 
Greeks used to make fun of German frugality, preferring the example of Hellenic luxury over Germanic thrift. Increasingly, however, they are now embracing Teutonic austerity, and even enjoying the experience.

Eventually, after we have all reached slave status, frugality will be the NEW NORMAL. 
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Post by: EyeBelieve on April 24, 2012, 07:35:09 PM
Eventually, after we have all reached slave status, frugality will be the NEW NORMAL.

Heh, cable tv has a new show about "cheapskates"--folks doing creative things to save $$.  That's all fine I guess but these type shows are mostly about middle-class people who aren't being foreclosed or tossed into the streets.  I don't know much about Greece, but Greek-Americans I've met are pretty thrifty & careful with a buck.  OTOH I've never heard about cycling being terribly popular in Greece whereas in Germany millions use bikes for transportation.  Germans are practical about clothes too, they don't seem to favor faddish or $$ stuff.
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Post by: Sue on April 24, 2012, 07:56:37 PM
Heh, cable tv has a new show about "cheapskates"--folks doing creative things to save $$.  That's all fine I guess but these type shows are mostly about middle-class people who aren't being foreclosed or tossed into the streets.  I don't know much about Greece, but Greek-Americans I've met are pretty thrifty & careful with a buck.  OTOH I've never heard about cycling being terribly popular in Greece whereas in Germany millions use bikes for transportation.  Germans are practical about clothes too, they don't seem to favor faddish or $$ stuff.

Believe it or not, I have done this for most of my life. Having seen such bad times in Germany as a kid helped me later to be cautious when it came to spending. We only ever had one debt, when we borrowed the money for a small house from the Credit Union where we could pay back as much as we could afford. Paid it off in less than 5 years (that was reason I went back to work at the time.) We never made another debt since.

I love to cook at home rather than going out for an expensive meal, except when we are on holidays. 
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Post by: EyeBelieve on April 24, 2012, 08:37:28 PM
Believe it or not, I have done this for most of my life. Having seen such bad times in Germany as a kid helped me later to be cautious when it came to spending. We only ever had one debt, when we borrowed the money for a small house from the Credit Union where we could pay back as much as we could afford. Paid it off in less than 5 years (that was reason I went back to work at the time.) We never made another debt since.

I love to cook at home rather than going out for an expensive meal, except when we are on holidays.

Even Americans used to be thrifty!  Grew up a few blocks away from where Nixon rented a modest townhouse back in the 50's; in high school I lived close to Pres Ford's former house (I think he lived there when he was House Speaker), it was standard suburban, not at all like current McMansions.  The Fords sent their kids to public schools, I remember high school seniors gossiping about the Secret Service scurrying around picking up roaches that their son might have left lying around.
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Post by: pope daniel on April 25, 2012, 10:07:40 AM
Rome!

He was an astronomer, in his time a great one, honored and busy researching facts about the planetary system around our sun. This did not suit the church.

Then came the day the "Holy inquisition" made a research on Mr.Galileo and accused him for teaching heresy. If I remember my history, right up to his death he insisted that the earth is turning around the sun, not the other way around.

''Und die Erde dreht sich doch!'' (And the world IS turning!)

the world is flat and circular like a frisbee,  and everything rotates around it.

the only evidence to the contrary are images provided by the same organization that brought us the moon landing


the heretics claim that the earth rotates at a thousand miles per hour while orbiting at thousands of miles per hour and quite frankly power-sliding through the universe.

at that rate half of us would be squished to the ground and the other half flung out into space --- but they say "gravity from the moon" keeps us in place

the heretics have convinced australians that they are upside down with textbook issued pseudo-science that attempts not even once a reproof of the holocaust, moon landing, or galileo
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Post by: wag on April 25, 2012, 10:54:05 AM
the world is flat and circular like a frisbee,  and everything rotates around it.

the only evidence to the contrary are images provided by the same organization that brought us the moon landing

I believe it is a hollow globe, and the more fortunate ones live inside.
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Post by: EyeBelieve on April 25, 2012, 06:41:17 PM
I believe it is a hollow globe, and the more fortunate ones live inside.

Don't the Underground People have to slave all day in the mines & mushroom farms?
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Post by: laconas on April 25, 2012, 07:00:17 PM
Heh, cable tv has a new show about "cheapskates"--folks doing creative things to save $$.  That's all fine I guess but these type shows are mostly about middle-class people who aren't being foreclosed or tossed into the streets.  I don't know much about Greece, but Greek-Americans I've met are pretty thrifty & careful with a buck.  OTOH I've never heard about cycling being terribly popular in Greece whereas in Germany millions use bikes for transportation.  Germans are practical about clothes too, they don't seem to favor faddish or $$ stuff.


Good question? I also noticed  in America blacks and Latinos are least likely to use bikes.
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Post by: EyeBelieve on April 25, 2012, 09:07:21 PM

Good question? I also noticed  in America blacks and Latinos are least likely to use bikes.

In America there are huge # of wetbacks that bike to work, in DC area many working-class Salvadorans ride their old mountain bikes to work.  But both blacks & whites usually ride only for recreation...there's a hardcore of bike commuters that are mostly white, usually college-educated.  Sure the US is wealthier than most countries but it's weird that bike ridership among various countries has little correlation to income. 

In Northern Europe even corporate execs or high-level bureaucrats can bike commute & no one thinks it's weird; I read a blog by a Romanian biker who was constantly criticized by fellow Romanians who assume only an idiot would bike when they could afford a comfy car.  Seems like Nordics accept that comfort is not the ideal.
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Post by: Sue on April 25, 2012, 09:49:27 PM
I believe it is a hollow globe, and the more fortunate ones live inside.

LOL...  ;D

Except of course for the underground cities to keep the elite safe should will hide if the proverbial hit the fan.
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Post by: laconas on April 25, 2012, 10:05:59 PM
In America there are huge # of wetbacks that bike to work, in DC area many working-class Salvadorans ride their old mountain bikes to work.  But both blacks & whites usually ride only for recreation...there's a hardcore of bike commuters that are mostly white, usually college-educated.  Sure the US is wealthier than most countries but it's weird that bike ridership among various countries has little correlation to income. 

In Northern Europe even corporate execs or high-level bureaucrats can bike commute & no one thinks it's weird; I read a blog by a Romanian biker who was constantly criticized by fellow Romanians who assume only an idiot would bike when they could afford a comfy car.  Seems like Nordics accept that comfort is not the ideal.

Bike riding is my fav sport ever since I learned to ride a bike, and I'm still riding, so I'm always paying attention to who rides and who doesn't, and why.
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Post by: pope daniel on April 25, 2012, 11:34:34 PM
if the earth was round, we'd use the north pole as a short-cut from alaska to europe

notice they approved it http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/airlines-cleared-to-use-santas-shortcut-6281263.html   but it never got done


 google earth won't even show you the north or south pole, probably because what we'd see would discredit the holy infallible text books
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Post by: pope daniel on April 26, 2012, 04:21:26 AM
i think this flat earth model is very interesting in that it shows the east/west difference from south america to asia to be greatly more vast than from mexico; contrary to the spherical world map. 

could this be why there are no flights from asia to south america?   http://wikitravel.org/en/Avoiding_a_transit_of_the_United_States#To_South_and_Central_America_3


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Flat_earth.png)
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Post by: wag on April 26, 2012, 05:16:42 AM
Don't the Underground People have to slave all day in the mines & mushroom farms?

If you look back at the ancient texts (pre-hebrew bible), the underworld was a restricted place where a bunch a gods resided.  It was a paradise, but you had to journey through some fiery passages to get there, and those were also guarded by tough dudes.  Enoch went there and learned from the gods, and wrote about it.  But later it morphed into the concept of hell (place to be avoided), and then science came along and created the idea of the big mantle, solid core.  Admiral Byrd was supposed to have met with the "insiders" when he led the 1947 armada to antarctica and came back with a lot fewer planes.  It remains one of the place I want to visit before I die, along with Germany, Peru and Mongolia.   
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Post by: wag on April 26, 2012, 05:24:51 AM
if the earth was round, we'd use the north pole as a short-cut from alaska to europe

notice they approved it http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/airlines-cleared-to-use-santas-shortcut-6281263.html   but it never got done


 google earth won't even show you the north or south pole, probably because what we'd see would discredit the holy infallible text books

There are supposed to be warm holes at the poles, from which the northern/southern lights emanate.  These are restricted places, probably dangerous to fly over.  But US to Japan flights sometimes head way north and come down over siberia. 

(http://www.roundtheworldticket.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Route-3-Map.jpg)
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Post by: Sue on April 26, 2012, 11:22:22 AM
if the earth was round, we'd use the north pole as a short-cut from alaska to europe

notice they approved it http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/airlines-cleared-to-use-santas-shortcut-6281263.html   but it never got done

google earth won't even show you the north or south pole, probably because what we'd see would discredit the holy infallible text books

The Flat Earth theory went out centuries ago.  ;D

A flight from Calgary to Frankfurt takes about 9 hrs depending upon the jet stream.

Flight path: Across the Hudson Bay - southern tip of Baffin Island - southern Greenland - England - Holland - Frankfurt Germany. One time we were close enough to see Iceland.

Are there Black Holes?   (http://burro.astr.cwru.edu/stu/media/stars_blackhole_anatomy.jpg) (http://burro.astr.cwru.edu/stu/advanced/stars_blackhole.html)
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Post by: EyeBelieve on April 26, 2012, 08:55:03 PM
Bike riding is my fav sport ever since I learned to ride a bike, and I'm still riding, so I'm always paying attention to who rides and who doesn't, and why.

I used to live in Denver in the 70's (before the wetback deluge) & yeah not many of the "Chicanos" biked.  dunno how DC compares to other cities in re transport choices of illegals.  But DC has lots of sidewalks & fair # of bike paths & weather is halfway decent so here we have huge # of Salvadoran illegals biking to work.  A couple of times I stopped by a local high school to see how many bikes were parked at the rack--about 6 & all those looked like wetback bikes.  I calculated that there were probably more white students there that had tried heroin than white students biking to school.
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Post by: EyeBelieve on April 26, 2012, 09:01:20 PM
i think this flat earth model is very interesting in that it shows the east/west difference from south america to asia to be greatly more vast than from mexico; contrary to the spherical world map. 

could this be why there are no flights from asia to south america?   http://wikitravel.org/en/Avoiding_a_transit_of_the_United_States#To_South_and_Central_America_3


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Flat_earth.png)

Yeah but the wikitravel link mentions Honolulu being used as a stop, your map shows that would be very indirect.  & what about the horizon problem?
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Post by: EyeBelieve on April 26, 2012, 09:12:07 PM
If you look back at the ancient texts (pre-hebrew bible), the underworld was a restricted place where a bunch a gods resided.  It was a paradise, but you had to journey through some fiery passages to get there, and those were also guarded by tough dudes.  Enoch went there and learned from the gods, and wrote about it.  But later it morphed into the concept of hell (place to be avoided), and then science came along and created the idea of the big mantle, solid core.  Admiral Byrd was supposed to have met with the "insiders" when he led the 1947 armada to antarctica and came back with a lot fewer planes.  It remains one of the place I want to visit before I die, along with Germany, Peru and Mongolia.

I've been reading lately about the Antarctic, bases, Nazis & UFO's.  Entertaining but improbable.  Ancient folks made up a lot of stuff; their might be some truth in it but a lot of fiction too so who knows?  Even without the hollow earth theory there are vast areas of underground caverns yet unexplored.  RE travel to Antarctica I suppose the tours only take folks to the coastal area, even if one had money & experience to explore independently I'm sure PTB would forbid it.
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Post by: laconas on April 26, 2012, 09:41:09 PM
I used to live in Denver in the 70's (before the wetback deluge) & yeah not many of the "Chicanos" biked.  dunno how DC compares to other cities in re transport choices of illegals.  But DC has lots of sidewalks & fair # of bike paths & weather is halfway decent so here we have huge # of Salvadoran illegals biking to work.  A couple of times I stopped by a local high school to see how many bikes were parked at the rack--about 6 & all those looked like wetback bikes.  I calculated that there were probably more white students there that had tried heroin than white students biking to school.

Latinos up until 9/11 could get licenses and cheap cars; bikes are not their first choice. White kids? I guess mommy drives them to school.
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Post by: EyeBelieve on April 27, 2012, 12:06:54 AM
Latinos up until 9/11 could get licenses and cheap cars; bikes are not their first choice. White kids? I guess mommy drives them to school.

That would be worse than walking home which hundreds of the foreign kids do & a few of the whites.  Once I saw when school let out--it was a perfect weather day because I had figured on seeing the max # of bikes, so many kids driving cars out of the parking lot it took 10 minutes just to exit.  What's worse most had the car windows rolled up; modern folks do that now.  But for pre-high school kids it's amazing how their elders waste time driving them to school, I once was biking thru a nearby neighborhood & saw a truly impressive parade of minivans & I thought it might be a funeral; no it was soccer moms going to pick up their kids at the local Catholic elementary school.  Now even poor working-class white parents buy cars for their kids.  Once in 4th grade the school buses were all SNAFU & many kids mutinied & decided to walk home approx 2 miles, a pretty fun adventure that would now be a scandal.
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Post by: laconas on April 27, 2012, 12:18:05 AM

Conversation with my sister a few weeks ago.

Sister: I have to pick up (name of son) from work.

Me: Why doesn't he take the bus or ride a bike, it's only a mile away? He's 19, he's a grown man.

Sister: I know, but he get's tired after working.
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Post by: wag on April 27, 2012, 05:57:03 AM
Yeah but the wikitravel link mentions Honolulu being used as a stop, your map shows that would be very indirect.  & what about the horizon problem?

You can fly from Santiago to Sydney, and circumnavigation via boat is only 21,600 miles, southern hemisphere. 

(http://etc.ofthiswearesure.com/assets_c/2009/12/Screen%20shot%202009-10-03%20at%2011.38.48%20AM-thumb-500x302.png)
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Post by: pope daniel on April 27, 2012, 02:23:34 PM
what about the horizon problem?

they say that a boat's hull vanishing in the horizon is proof of the curvature of the earth.  this is not true however as holding up binoculars will reveal the hull again
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Post by: Judson on April 27, 2012, 03:39:26 PM
Once saw a full moon rise two times one evening while standing on a high cliff overlooking the Atlantic off of Newfoundland. First view of the moon was a reflection cast into the atmosphere from the ocean and after it settled down below the horizon, a few minutes later the actual moon rose above the calm water that night. If it had been a ship coming into view then the first sight would have been of the ship upside down which would have then slowly vanished below the horizon and soon to be followed by the actual ship rising back up into view.
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Post by: Vidarr on April 27, 2012, 04:18:01 PM
the bike of all bikes
(http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/images/object_images/535x535/10319038.jpg)
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Post by: EyeBelieve on April 27, 2012, 06:48:22 PM
the bike of all bikes
(http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/images/object_images/535x535/10319038.jpg)

They now sell for $1000 & up, wow.
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Post by: wag on April 28, 2012, 04:53:50 PM
They now sell for $1000 & up, wow.

My friend had a green one.  It was a five speed, but it wouldn't go in one, and 3 and 4 made too much noice.  So you pushed them uphill and nearly died going back down.
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Post by: laconas on April 28, 2012, 05:34:46 PM
I hackedsawed two fork ends from another bike, hammered them on my fork, and made my own chopper.
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Post by: wag on April 28, 2012, 06:04:44 PM
I hackedsawed two fork ends from another bike, hammered them on my fork, and made my own chopper.

I knew somebody who also did this.  Turn two good bikes into one bad one, ...cool stuff in the day. 
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Post by: laconas on April 28, 2012, 07:26:47 PM
I knew somebody who also did this.  Turn two good bikes into one bad one, ...cool stuff in the day.

I was a cool kid when I was a kid. You were probably a geek.