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Sue's Place / Re: Fun and Games at Joe's House
« on: July 03, 2006, 07:35:19 AM »
It is a great story - with much truth  ;)

« on: July 01, 2006, 05:01:24 PM »
The spell chekker heer doesnt werk, I ain't copermizing my sekerity to youse it

Hilarious - I like the `copermizing my sekerity`  :D

2006 / Re: Israel costs US even more!
« on: July 01, 2006, 04:45:06 PM »
I was going to post the Boston Globe article about the Power Plant Insurance dilemma but since it contains more or less the same information, I just link it.

A strange connection to this Power Plant is the Enron involvement. Could it be that Israeli vengeance was pushing the Enron scandal into the open because Enron wanted to make the Palestinian territories less reliant on buying electricity from Israel?

From the link:

Plans for it began in 1999, when two private investors -- the now-defunct Enron Corp. and a Palestinian-born construction mogul, Said Khoury -- laid down the blueprint for making the Palestinian territories less reliant on buying electricity from Israel.

The World Below / Re: Why Are Americans So Angry? (Ron Paul)
« on: July 01, 2006, 07:14:44 AM »
Our undeclared wars over the past 65 years have dragged on without precise victories. We fight to spread American values, to enforce UN resolutions, and to slay supposed Hitlers.  We forget that we once spread American values by persuasion and setting an example-- not by bombs and preemptive invasions.  Nowhere in the Constitution are we permitted to go to war on behalf of the United Nations at the sacrifice of our national sovereignty.  We repeatedly use military force against former allies, thugs we helped empower`”like Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden`”even when they pose no danger to us.

The problem is that nobody wants today`s American values and from what I am reading, American citizens themselves do not want those so-called American values. This might be an explanation why precise victories cannot be achieved.

To enforce UN resolutions is not good enough when The One And Only Nation where the resolutions should be enforced is actually encouraged through financial assistance and weapon supplies to break and ignore those resolutions.


Freedom From War
The United States Program
for General and Complete
Disarmament in a Peaceful


Disarmament Series 5
Released September 1961

Office of Public Services

For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government
Printing Office, Washington 25, D.C. - Price 15 cents


The over-all goal of the United States is a free, secure, and peaceful world of independent states adhering to common standards of justice and international conduct and subjecting the use of force to the rule of law; a world which has achieved general and complete disarmament under effective international control; and a world in which adjustment to change takes place in accordance with the principles of the United Nations.

In order to make possible the achievement of that goal, the program sets forth the following specific objectives toward which nations should direct their efforts:

* The disbanding of all national armed forces and the prohibition of their reestablishment in any form whatsoever other than those required to preserve internal order and for contributions to a United Nations Peace Force;
* The elimination from national arsenals of all armaments, including all weapons of mass destruction and the means for their delivery, other than those required for a United Nations Peace Force and for maintaining internal order;
* The institution of effective means for the enforcement of international agreements, for the settlement of disputes, and for the maintenance of peace in accordance with the principles of the United Nations;
* The establishment and effective operation of an International Disarmament Organization within the framework of the United Nations to insure compliance at all times with all disarmament obligations.

full text at link

General / Re: Such lovely colors....
« on: June 29, 2006, 03:47:27 PM »
I have seen "lurkers" listed in gray (I think ones who have been registered for quite awhile without ever having posted).

Eminence grise  :D

General / Re: Such lovely colors....
« on: June 29, 2006, 03:37:07 PM »
What`s the gray mean?

"Let's you and him fight" is a very old strategy for conquest.

... the same "Let's you and him fight" technique is applied daily on every political forum, squabbling over trivia for days in a row while the mass killings and purposefully inflicted suffering go unnoticed and unpunished.

What's surprising is that Europeans and Americans seem unable to recognize calculated deception and those who deploy it as a tactic.  To Israelis, it's merely amusing, and useful.

"Gullible goyim" has been redundant for a long time.

Although not funny at all, deception, ruse is definitely useful; but life is not a military battle. This is why we hear about the Jew`s superior intellect on a daily basis, he has truly no notion of what ethical behaviour is and therefore equals calculated deception and arrogance with superior intellect.

Maybe one day in the future the Chinese will have to be added to the gullible Europeans and Americans. They certainly do invest a lot of money in all the right places in East Africa. Who knows how many motivated advisors to the President are in the right place at the right time.

Some of the latest projects (June 2006) include signed agreements for economic and technical cooperation, energy and infrastructure, information and communication technology, mining, textiles, vehicle assembly, oil exploration, tourism and food processing. A major agreement signed between Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao and Uganda`s  President Yoweri Museveni is the Chinese financing the construction of a railway line from Pakwach (Uganda) to the southern Sudanese capital Juba.

Maybe gullible maybe trusting or both. In the meantime - I am confident that these projects help in furthering thousands of local residents in their respective ventures.

Since the subject of this thread is about the conflicts and the misery in Africa, mainly the Sudan and the Great Lakes region, Jewish interests and their claim to a biblical entitlement to vast lands in Africa cannot be ignored. You have studied Scripture and the timeline of events you are presenting is obviously what you believe it to be. I am in no position to interpret and discuss biblical text, I am mostly following the discussions trying to find an angle where all contradictions would be reconciled; this however will not be possible until scientists and archaeologists insist on ethical behaviour and publish their factual findings rather than doctored ones. The most troublesome, in this context, is the fact that there exists neither, historical nor archaeological evidence to support Solomon`s kingdom. Until this is made clear, the vandalism for the control of new territories will continue.

I believe that the Jewish ambition for territorial control includes Lake Victoria - the ones who control Lake Victoria control the Sudan and Egypt. The Jews were offered Uganda in 1903; the following excerpt is from a book entitled When Prophets Speak, written by Litman Rosenthal, one of Max Nordau`s intimate friends.

Nordau gave this speech in 1903

`The whole assembly was under the spell of Nordau`s beautiful, truly poetic and exalted diction, and his exquisite, musical French delighted the hearers with an almost sensual pleasure. For a few seconds the speaker paused, and the public, absolutely intoxicated by his splendid oratory, applauded frantically. But soon Nordau asked for silence and continued:

``˜Now this great progressive world power, England, has after the pogroms of Kishineff, in token of her sympathy with our poor people, offered through the Zionist Congress the autonomous colony of Uganda to the Jewish nation. Of course, Uganda is in Africa, and Africa is not Zion and never will be Zion, to quote Herzl`s own words. But Herzl knows full well that nothing is so valuable to the cause of Zionism as amicable political relations with such a power as England is, and so much more valuable as England`s main interest is concentrated in the Orient. Nowhere else is precedent as powerful as in England, and so it is most important to accept a colony out of the hands of England and create thus a precedent in our favor. Sooner or later the Oriental question will have to be solved, and the Oriental question means, naturally, also the question of Palestine. England, who had addressed a formal, political note to the Zionist Congress`”the Zionist Congress which is pledged to the Basle program, England will have the deciding voice in the final solution of the Oriental question, and Herzl has considered it his duty to maintain valuable relations with this great and progressive power. Herzl knows that we stand before a tremendous upheaval of the whole world. Soon, perhaps, some kind of a world-congress will have to be called, and England, the great, free and powerful England, will then continue the work it has begun with its generous offer to the Sixth Congress. And if you ask me now what has Israel to do in Uganda, then let me tell you as the answer the words of the statesmen of Sardinia, only applied to our case and given in our version; let me tell you the following words as if I were showing you the rungs of a ladder leading upward and upward: Herzl, The Zionist Congress, the English Uganda proposition, the future world war, the peace conference where with the help of England a free and Jewish Palestine will be created.`

`Like a mighty thunder these last words came to us, and we all were trembling and awestruck as if we had seen a vision of old. And in my ears were sounding the words of our great brother Achad Haam, who said of Nordau`s address at the First Congress:

``˜I felt that one of the great old prophets was speaking to us, that his voice came down from the free hills of Judea, and our hearts were burning in us when we heard his words, filled with wonder, wisdom and vision.``

"Sometimes we get the basic `˜f-- you cops` graffiti," said Roberts. "But nothing of the political nature or of the educated nature."

That is a nice way of describing the graffiti. Something tells me that Ken Roberts has received a healthy spark of curiosity leading him to investigate governments darker dealings.

Thank you for a quality answer. I copy it into a folder and will read it quietly.

« on: June 22, 2006, 06:39:19 PM »
Laws and Customs of War on Land (Hague IV); October 18, 1907
Scroll down to Articles 27 and 28 which are made US law under Title 18 by reference.

Art. 27.

In sieges and bombardments all necessary steps must be taken to spare, as far as possible, buildings dedicated to religion, art, science, or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals, and places where the sick and wounded are collected, provided they are not being used at the time for military purposes.

I would argue that the ...`provided they are not being used at the time for military purposes`... makes Article 27 ineffective. Stories emerge from Iraq where we are told that hospitals were bombed because they were used as weapon deposits. With reporters being kept away from the bombed sites, there is no proof at all that this was actually the case.

From the Global Research link:

Mesopotamia - Now an Endangered Species - Official.
by Felicity Arbuthnot.
July 1, 2005

The World Monument Fund describes the looting at the archeological sites around the country; direct conflict as with the Malwiya - 'the spiral' minaret of Samarra built probably before 852 A.D. Conceived from love of beauty, reverence, bricks and clay - that was bombed resultant from American snipers using the site. Babylon, which has also been occupied by military forces, had a military helicopter pad built, destroying history's undiscovered legacies -and site of a wonder of the world, the Hanging Gardens - from as far as estimates of forty thousand years ago...

Falluja, Najav, Samarra, Kufa, Kerbala, Al Qa'em, Ramadi, Mosul, Al Talafar, Iraq's towns and villages, ancient, sacred and simply home for generations, north, south, east west, are being raised to the ground. Guernica, My Lai, a silent Hiroshima and Nagasaki, rolled together in silent screams - silenced by isolation, journalists too fearful to travel, a cowering, compliant UN betrayal of all it stands for under a spineless Secretary General seemingly more concerned by salary than slaughter, pension than principle. And for braver journalists, 'accidental' execution by US forces at worst, or censorship frequently by corporate masters in media boardrooms who, or whose pals, also sit on many Boards of the multinationals attempting to plunder Iraq...

The extent of the horrors inflicted and the why cannot be understood in its entirety by a normal human being.

Different interests converge in Africa; Israel for one has not given up its ambitious expansion plans for a Greater Israel, using proxies as usual. Territorial expansion becomes especially interesting now that China has developed an oil field in South Sudan and built a nine hundred mile long pipeline to the Red Sea. Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir sees Jewish involvement in the de-stabilization.

Jerusalem Post

Jun. 21, 2006 13:51 | Updated Jun. 21, 2006 14:52

Sudanese leader blasts Jewish groups


Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir escalated his rejection of the United Nations deploying peacekeepers in Darfur, calling them neo-colonialists and accusing Jewish organizations of pushing for their deployment.

...When journalists pressed al-Bashir on his objection to UN troops in Darfur, he replied: "It is clear that there is a purpose behind the heavy propaganda and media campaigns" for international intervention in Darfur.

"If we return to the last demonstrations in the United States, and the groups that organized the demonstrations, we find that they are all Jewish organizations," al-Bashir said...

The old Imperialists offer three bargaining chips - bullets, bombs or starvation. Realizing that the game is over drives them to the brink of insanity. The bankers have much to worry about also because China`s approach comes close to a free-market system, something the West, with its usury system and government sponsored monopolies does not like. Thus, China is accused of aiding African dictators and of undoing much of the progress that has been made on democracy.

Asia Times

...As part of the bargain for securing energy and mineral resources, China has been providing African governments with economic aid, technical assistance, interest-free loans and preferential credits. Chinese companies have been engaged in the construction of highways, hospitals, waterworks, palaces and sports stadiums. There are about 900 investment projects on the continent estimated to be financed with Chinese money.

Beijing's growing political and economic interest in the continent has been matched by booming bilateral trade. Trade between China and Africa has nearly quadrupled since 2000, hitting a record of US$39.7 billion last year, from $10.6 billion...

The compatibility between China and the African nations is real because they are going through the same process of organizing modern economies out of stagnation. Cooperation has accelerated and makes the headlines often, but the Chinese were there when the colonies collapsed and the independence movements started in the 1950s. They were building rails, among them the Tan-Zam Railway, roads, sports facilities and schools, building long-term partnerships which are still in place. America, as a member of NATO, stayed officially away from the independence movements in a show of solidarity to the Imperialists.

The transition from a colonial possession to a nation-state was meant to be bloody. These new nation-states, with never heard of names, were carved up in such a way that the final boundaries sealed the cage. There was no relationship to natural ethnic territories and historically warring tribes were locked in together under one nation, with not even a common language. `The Crown` left India and Pakistan in the same unworkable conditions where ethnic cleansing followed.

« on: June 18, 2006, 01:09:26 PM »
What Rachel seems to forget is that the majority of posters on this forum are knowledgeable in history so I'm beginning to take the view that her distorted history and opinions are a general provocation.

The provocation is supposed to have the function of a fishnet. Attract possible `˜anti-Semites` out there who give the handlers counter-arguments so they can fine-tune their lies for the next round.

The same provocations also make the forum as unattractive as possible for passers-by. It posts all this generic Jewish material in the General Section which is viewed by potential future members; it then twists the English language and makes no effort whatsoever to spell correctly, obviously ignoring the Spell Check. All not very tempting for new members to sign up and join.

At the same time it serves Jewish narcissism, the pathological need to be in the News every day. Good, bad or ugly does not matter just get centre stage.

« on: June 16, 2006, 12:27:37 PM »
During 1974, the Khmer Rouge consolidated their hold over parts of Cambodia. In these enclaves they showed their characteristic methods of genocide, dispersing the inhabitants of the cities into the countryside, while executing teachers, civil servants, intellectuals-- sometimes all those who could read and write.

In the same way, intellectual life in Iraq is deliberately destroyed. In 2005 alone 298 intellectuals were killed and 133 wounded. This in itself makes it clear that a re-education program is planned. The bombings erase history and heritage and the re-education program erases memory and the feeling of belonging. It was done throughout the twentieth century; massive re-education was needed by the Bolsheviks, it was needed for the de-Nazification process and for the Holocaust indoctrination.

« on: June 16, 2006, 07:45:27 AM »
Re-education camps it could be. Bush senior and Kissinger are still heavily involved in policy shaping and have no doubt wonderful memories of the Khmer Rouge, a Western Stroke of Genius.

Some excerpts from when Bush was head of the US Liaison Office in Beijing.

Bush in Beijing

NSSM 200

When Bush had been in Beijing for about a month, Henry Kissinger arrived for one of his periodic visits to discuss current business with the Beijing leadership. Kissinger arrived with his usual army of retainers and Secret Service guards. During this visit, Bush went with Kissinger to see Vice-Premier Deng Xiao-ping and Foreign Minister Qiao. This was one of four reported visits by Kissinger that would punctuate Bush's stay.

Bush's tenure in Beijing must be understood in the context of the Malthusian and frankly genocidal policies of the Kissinger White House. These are aptly summed up for reference in the recently declassified National Security Study Memorandum 200, "Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for US Security and Overseas Interests," dated December 10, 1974. [fn 6] NSSM 200, a joint effort by Kissinger and his deputy General Brent Scowcroft, provided a hit list...

...A later Kissinger report praises the Chinese communist leadership for their committment to population control. During 1975, these Chinese communists, Henry Kissinger and George Bush were to team up to create a demonstration model of the NSSM 200 policy: the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia.

...One of its leaders was Saloth Sar, who had studied in Paris, and who had then sojourned at length in Red China at the height of the Red Guards' agitation. Saloth Sar was one of the most important leaders of the Khmer Rouge, and would later become infamous under his nom de guerre of Pol Pot. Decisive support for Pol Pot and for the later genocidal policies of the Khmer Rouge always came from Beijing, despite the attempts to misguided or lying commentators (like Henry Kissinger) to depict the Khmer Rouge as a creation of Hanoi.

...One of the gambits used by Kissinger to demonstrate to the Beijing communist leaders the utility of rapprochement with the US was the unhappy nation of Cambodia. The pro-US government of Cambodia was headed by Marshal Lon Nol, who had taken power in 1970, the year of the public and massive US ground incursion into the country. By the spring of 1975, while the North Vietnamese advanced on Saigon, the Lon Nol government was fighting for its life against the armed insurrection of the Khmer Rouge communist guerillas, who were supported by mainland China. Kissinger was as anxious as usual to serve the interests of Beijing, and now even more so, because of the alleged need to increase the power of the Chinese and their assets, the Khmer rouge, against the triumphant North Vietnamese. The most important consideration remained to ally with China, the second strongest land power, against the USSR. Secondarily, it was important to maintain the balance of power in Southeast Asia as the US policy collapsed. Kissinger's policy was therefore to jettison the Lon Nol government, and to replace it with the Khmer rouge. George Bush, as Kissinger's liaison man in Beijing, was one of the instruments through which this policy was executed. Bush did his part, and the result is known to world history under the heading of the Pol Pot regime, which committed a genocide against its own population proportionally greater than any other in recent world history.

...But in the years after 1970, the Khmer Rouge, who were determined immediately to transform Cambodia into a communist utopia beyond the dreams even of the wildest Maoist Red Guards, made rapid gains. The most important single ingedient in the rise of the Khmer Rouge was provided by Kissinger and Nixon, through their systematic campaign of terror bombing against Cambodian territory during 1973. This was called Arclight, and began shortly after the January, 1973 Paris accords on Vietnam. With the pretext of halting a Khmer Rouge attack on Phnom Penh, US forces carried out 79,959 officially confirmed sorties with B-52 and F-111 bombers against targets inside Cambodia, dropping 539,129 tons of explosives. Many of these bombs fell upon the most densely populated sections of Cambodia, including the countryside around Phnom Penh. The number of deaths caused by this genocidal campaign has been estimated as between 30,000 and 500,000. [fn 7] Accounts of the devastating impact of this mass terror bombing leave no doubt that it shattered most of what remained of Cambodian society and provided ideal preconditions for the further expansion of the Khmer Rouge insurgency, in much the same way that the catastrophe of the First World War weakened European society so as to open the door for the mass irrationalist movements of fascism and Bolshevism.

During 1974, the Khmer Rouge consolidated their hold over parts of Cambodia. In these enclaves they showed their characteristic methods of genocide, dispersing the inhabitants of the cities into the countryside, while executing teachers, civil servants, intellectuals-- sometimes all those who could read and write. This policy was remarkably similar to the one being carried out by the US under Theodore Shackley's Operation Phoenix in neighboring South Vietnam, and Kissinger and other officials began to see the potential of the Khmer Rouge for implementing the genocidal population reductions that had now been made the official doctrine of the US regime.

« on: June 15, 2006, 04:02:50 AM »
Protected by 15ft thick walls and ringed by military guards, it signals the seriousness of America's intentions to retain a large and long-term presence in the country.

Walled in, filling their lungs with depleted uranium while counting the loot. What a picture I have in my mind.

There will be six blocks with 619 one-bedroom flats, a recreation building, a beauty parlour, gym, swimming pool and even its own school.

Does not seem to be family friendly so why bother building a school.

It questioned why the US had been given land in the centre of Baghdad for free instead of having to pay the market price for it.

What a dumb question. Since when do conquerors pay for what they want.

General / Re: Israeli animals shell picnic - kill seven
« on: June 15, 2006, 03:43:42 AM »
...I think actually she's a bunch of Israeli disinformation shills.

... with their pay cheque coming directly from taxpayer`s contributions. It would not surprise me.

General / Re: Israeli animals shell picnic - kill seven
« on: June 14, 2006, 06:34:41 PM »
Saturday's funeral was the latest of many such gatherings.

Many such gatherings indeed and many more to come ... until the `International Community` can figure out how to handle this cursed stretch of land. Sunday June 11th more shelling from the Israelis and Tuesday June 13th two attacks leaving at least thirteen killed and dozens wounded; again, including children.

Israel Radio said Defence Minister Amir Peretz had sent a message to Abbas voicing "deep regret at the deaths of innocent people".

Sickening talk. It is clear for years that a methodical, ethnic cleansing is pursued.

General / Re: Israeli animals shell picnic - kill seven
« on: June 14, 2006, 01:52:12 PM »
Experts arrived and took samples of the shrapnel. Later, they asked for all the shrapnel and explained: The shrapnel was treated with some form of depleted uranium, that releases slow and dangerous radiation.

Is this why they took the Jews out of Gaza, to be able to poison the soil for generations to come? Did you ever think about that?

Comment: Let me give thanks to Unterhund's hard work and precious dedication to the cause of setting things right.

Are you two American?

I take the Pentagon analyst`s assessment until further research comes to the surface.


But Palestinian leaders described the army's conclusions as a cover-up and a former Pentagon analyst, sent by a US human rights group to investigate the deaths, said the military had ignored evidence that left little doubt the family and an eighth casualty were killed by a stray Israeli shell.

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