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General / Internet woes
« on: February 23, 2015, 10:59:43 PM »
Grrrr post got wiped out by Telstra again ... See you again soon Rudi

Conspiracy then and now. / something we CAN do something about
« on: July 23, 2013, 05:28:34 PM »
We have discussed this topic many times but never with a solution ... Commercials and adverts.

I was watching TV several nights ago when it suddenly dawned on me that we pick out commercials etc that are blatently mindwashing and just set them aside, filed away in our conspiracy knowledge and never taking action as a cohesive group.

I suggest we start seeking out those ads we KNOW are controlling, and influencing the unawakened. How about starting a discussion group to begin a campaign of revelation and knowledge to the unawakened public by bringing to the table commercials and ads we find and how they work then ways of spreading the truth?

We have a Dow chemical ad here in Oz that may also screen in the US and UK that goes through their new? chemicals for better agricultural farm practices and ends the ad with the words "Dow's Agroscience". Note AGRO ... not Agri as in agriculture.

This is blatent "in your face" misinformation that influencesfarmers  without the average citizens ever realizing they are being told what is in store for their food chain.

The Meaning of AGRO
AGRO means "Hostile, angry" or "Aggravation, trouble"
So now you know - AGRO means "Hostile, angry" or "Aggravation, trouble" - don't thank us. YW!
 What does AGRO mean? AGRO is an acronym, abbreviation or slang word that is explained above where the AGRO definition is given.

General / - next generation holocost
« on: October 04, 2012, 09:10:29 PM »
Hogan's Heroes & later shows making Nazis look stupid is not counter-Holohoax.  Actually the central Holohoax theme is that Nazis were, at one level or another, stupid.  IE most important message is that no one must ever consider Nazis had a valid reason to fight against jew influence.

Excellent point!!! and very true, never give Hitler a valid reason for ousting jews or the brains to work out what the jews were up to, even thought he said so loud and clear BEFORE the war began.

Ridicule is the jews best strategy in almost everything anti-jew, next comes demonization.

Civics & Sovereignty / - * What Is Fascism?
« on: October 02, 2012, 09:07:11 PM »
What Is Fascism?

by James Miller


POLITICAL RADICALS OFTEN SHOUT, “Fascist! Fascist!” at anyone who doesn’t agree with their views. The term is especially popular among college students. But do such people actually know what Fascism is? Have they studied it?

Unfortunately, Fascism has an undeserved bad reputation. Regardless of this reputation, Fascism is a very sensible economic and social ideology. There are a few different “flavors” of Fascism, but basically they all come down to the following.

Fascism is an economic system in which a nation’s government plays a central role in monitoring all banking, trade, production, and labor activity which takes place within the nation. Such monitoring is done for the sole purpose of safeguarding and advancing the nation and its people.

Under Fascism, the government will not approve of any business activity unless that business has a positive impact on the nation as a whole and the people of the nation — this is the axiom which determines everything under Fascism.

Lots of BUTs in this article, and rules out the advent of corrupt politicians and stupidity, gullibility, and just plain greed.

Germany found this out the hard way and went about ousting the corrupt 'merchants and bankers' with violence in order to protect the economy.

Italy allowed the 'black hand/mafia' (or the criminal wannabes) too much power.

The US was meant to be, and pursued fascism under the 'guise' of democracy and called it a democratic republic ... it has never been totally committed to either or any, because of allowing their Central Bank to become a private enterprise.


The World Below / - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
« on: September 29, 2012, 05:16:09 PM »
But what if a billionaire (who came by wealth honestly) owns the land covering a big mountain pass?  He has no need for money & doesn't want trains rumbling across his gorgeous land, so the railroad has no way to build thru the pass and has to create a 1,500 kilometer detour.

Nobody ever became a billionaire "honestly" ... To gain that kind of wealth he would have to be sneaky and sleazy at the very least. You can't make a fortune by hands alone, and gambling is not 'honest means'.

2012 / - Is this a joke on us?
« on: September 28, 2012, 11:06:15 PM »

I saw this on TV last night and immediately thought about how like the wingdings symbols font it was.

Type a capital M using the wingdings font and font size 36 ... ta Dah!!!

Remember this one ... Using wingdings font IN CAPITALS, and font size 36, type Q33NY (We don't have wingdings in our 'font face' gadget so the result can't be displayed here.) Q33NY was the number of one of the flights displayed on the departure board, 9/11

Or this one using the same method as above type C ZM (the C (thumbs up) is self explanitory the ZM = zionist Muslim.

I've found wingdings symbolism very enlightening in deciphering dates and messages and it's fun to play around with .. It' also a good education tool for teaching the unenlightened, because it bypasses our morphing language barrier by using pictures.

The World Below / - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
« on: September 28, 2012, 10:25:03 PM »
We can redefine our definitions into current paradigms but in doing so trying to make sense of history becomes near impossible. Words keep morphing in meaning and often attached injudiciously to situations not well defined by the word used. It's a mess.

Spot on LW, the definition of words is the key to understanding any situation or explaination. Morphing words is what politicians do to justify their actions and excuse their mistakes. And banksters make the most of it, even the average citizens use morphing to confuse the issues on the agenda and suit their own 'take' on a subject. That's why there iare so many arguments among members who are supposed allies.

Teenagers these days are totally f@#%ed up, so what's the chances of a good outcome without honest knowledge?

Knowledge of correct English is paramount to understanding any situation, or each other ... And that's where education dished out by zionists takes control of our every thought, and reasoning.

Logic has been usurped!

The World Below / - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
« on: September 28, 2012, 09:57:54 PM »
People think of America as a democracy, but the Constitution actually defines it as a republic.  Currently, it operates like an oligarchy. 

Back to the economics side - capitalism is the control of capital, or more specifically the means (money) to procure capital.  That's how the banking system is able to dominate other industries and, of course, nations.

A analogy of capitalism ... As Meyer Amschel Rothschild infamously said "Give me control of a nation's money supply, and I care not who makes its laws".

He and his sons succeeded worldwide in that endeavour, beyond their wildest dreams, and now we are the beneficiaries of his 'legacy'

To learn the complete story watch the video "America: From freedom to fascism". That title is a little confusing because America has always been a fascist country, or at least aspired to be one ... It displays the evidence of that by using the fasces symbols everywhere, from the dollar bill, to each side of the speakers podium in the house of Reps.

General / - MOOA and the Mark of the Beast
« on: September 28, 2012, 11:11:03 AM »
Let me get this straight. you got treated for cancer , take it out on uncircumsized males and call men who don't have their dick sliced to be the emotional non logical chauvenists. ?

Oh dear another one bites the dust ... My dear Vidarr, I am 71 years old with two sons (with no religious conections or leanings, just as myself and my ex partner) Both sons are circumcised. I was 18 years old when my first son was born, lived in a small country town with absolutely no knowledge of Jews or their practices. At the time (1959) I didn't even know what circumcision was and not given an option, babies were automatically circumcised before leaving hospital.

I came to my beliefs regarding circumcision many years BEFORE I developed cancer, but still did not associate it with MY cancer ... I began researching cancer after I lost my Mother to lung cancer (NOT gynaecological) in 1974 . I was well aware of the HPV however by 1982 and by 1990 I was aware of what cancer is, what causes it and how it is best treated ... I had a certificate in Herbal medicine and was studying Ayevedic herbal medicine with the Macquarie University by 1994.

I don't "take it out" on uncircumcised males ... It is a fact that it 'can' be a contributing factor for cervical (and vaginal) cancer but it is not the unequivical cause, and would never place BLAME on males.  ... But You males certainly have no regard for women and the problems that arise from their reproductive system.

You males bring things on yourselves and need no recriminations from females to show you up for the chauvinism and, lack of pride and confidence, you display.

How sad it is that you can't seem to accept yourselves as you are because of the machinations of religion.

Women stand tall and confident after the loss of a breast, but men whinge about a piece of skin that is superfluous to either looks or the pleasure of sexual pursuits, all on the assumption it is a strictly jewish practice and ignoring the Muslim practice of circumcision and the many other religions and tribal people that follow the practice ...

Like Walt's post shows Cervical cancer is caused by HPV virus, Slicing your dick would stop that virus as much as it would stop the flu. So circumcising to prevent it is completely retarded.

How very ignorant you are of HPV, you should study the subject outside of this forum!!

The foreskin is a protective layer *(only while in a womans womb) and is exactly the same piece of skin as the femal labia and is a whole lot easier to clean and maintain proper hygiene than the dark and damp vagina.  Actually i think the vagina is 10 times more riskier for a man than a foreskin is for a woman. Would you cut off your labia ? If the jewish doctor tells you that it is cleaner ? Or if jewish media tells that women without labia are more hygienic and insinuate that women who keep their labia are filthy and uncaring for their partners safety. Or that without your labia you perform better in bed.

Your ignorance knows no bounds!!! Many women choose Labioplasty for cosmetic reasons, ie to please her mate. Do you have a vagina to be so 'knowing' about the dark damp place so hard to clean?  ... ... An uncircumcised penis is just as dark and damp as a female vagina, perhaps more-so.

You THINK? Never!!!! As you point out the foreskin is a PROTECTION ... Is that for cicumcised males as well? Yes circumcised men still have a foreskin ... or weren't you told about that piece of trivia.

You talk of the jewish media, and the jewish medical fraternity .... Isn't that where you're getting YOUR information ... Oh I forgot, men can opt for or against as it suits their argument.

Europe has vaccinated every girl against HPV recently and banned female circumcision. We don't want our women sick nor mutilated over scary stories.

BS!!! ..... 

2 out of 3 people will die from some sort of cancer. Stop blaming men and don't fall for the jewish lure that it's safer to have sex with jewish men. because with their hygiene standards and fecal fetish they actually are the biggest risk.

ROFL ..... In all of my 71 years I have never even met a jewish male let alone thought of having sex with one.

I don't place the blame for cancer on men ... or women for that matter ... you see I know what cancer is and I know how to treat it and what causes it.

I put the blame squarely on the heads of multinationals, Mega Corporations, the medical mafia, and the giant pharmacuetical companies (including the one that distributes Gardasil) ... Yes, that's right ... The ZIONISTS who are f#@%ing up our environment, the food chain and ethical medicine.




General / - MOOA and the Mark of the Beast
« on: September 28, 2012, 09:21:19 AM »
I'm sorry, I'm not getting your point.  Are there common examples of this as it relates to male circumcision?

I didn't start the circumcision as the 'Mark of the beast' topic (a stupid concept). Read the entire post I was replying to, to 'get it'. I merely pointed out the ridiculous analogies, and the relationship between religion and our declining ethics and lifestyle.

General / - MOOA and the Mark of the Beast
« on: September 28, 2012, 09:08:00 AM »
My experience is also having female members also have cervical cancer, WITH Circumcized males, and hysterectomies.
Cancer is a huge $$ Money Maker $$, for medical  J EW RY.  I dont believe in it, in the treatments, or diagnosis of it.

I have to agree 100% on this topic I have studied cancer, it's causes and treatments since 1980. Both parents and two Aunts have died from cancer, I was diagnosed with cancer in 2003 and used natural therapies to treat it and got a 'no malignancy found' diagnosis in 2006 ... then in early 2012 I was diagnosed with cancer once again, this time more aggressive, and had to resort to surgery ... the only conventional medicine I would agree to ... and insisted the surgeon was not to strip the lymph system (the usual practice for cancer of the reproductive organs), because the lymph system is the major part of our immune system. Ever notice that almost all conventional medical treatments are designed to destroy the immune system?
But while on the topic...
Male circumcision is an operation for which innumerable claims of medical or prophylactic benefit have been advanced through the years.  The claims invariably have been proven to be without substance. *(not by all medical practitioners, the dispute is still ongoing)
Amongst these is the claim that male circumcision can reduce the incidence of cervical cancer in the female sexual partner, which first appeared in 1954 when a study by Ernst L. Wynder et al. appeared in the medical literature.
Wynder claimed that Jewish women with circumcised partners had fewer cases of cervical cancer than non-Jewish women. The true cause of cervical cancer was unknown at the time so almost any claim could be made. Wynder obtained his information on the circumcision status of the husband by asking the female patient.2 Many were unable to provide the circumcision status, so Wynder’s results are suspect.
Jones, Macdonald, and Breslow also studied the etiology of cervical cancer. The report of their findings was published in 1958.
In contrast to that of Wynder’s group, this study found no relationship between cervical cancer and the circumcision status of the male partner.

Stern and Neely also investigated the etiology of cervical cancer using multiple regression analysis:
The discovery rate for cancer of the cervix among non-Jewish women whose marital partners were circumcised was no different from the rate among non-Jewish women with non-circumcised husbands.
Circumcision status did not emerge as a factor.
  Multiple marriages, however, did emerge as a risk factor. *(I can produce just as many medical reports negating these reports)
Boyd and Doll addressed the question of the cause of cervical cancer in a study published in 1964.6 Boyd and Doll also did not confirm Wynder’s 1954 conclusion that lack of male circumcision was a cause of cervical cancer.2 They did point to some factor associated with coitus as a cause of cancer but they were unable to identify that factor.6They also discovered that low socioeconomic status was a risk factor for cervical cancer.6
The matter rested there until 1965 when a study by Aitken-Swan and Baird was published in the medical literature.
The year 1970 saw the appearance of two articles that reviewed the alleged health benefits of male neonatal circumcision.
Leitch in Australia reviewed the evidence for circumcision’s value in prevention of cervical cancer and concluded that low socio-economic status and low personal hygiene, not lack of circumcision, are the predominant etiological factors.' 
Cervical cancer is caused by a sexually transmitted virus, and it may be activated by certain factors that are under the control of the individual.
Early sexual activity, multiple sexual partners, and failure to use condoms increase the risk of contracting HPV infection.

Stern E, Neely PM. Cancer of the cervix in reference to circumcision and marital history.
 J Am Med Womens Assoc 1962;17(9):739-70.'

*(Human Papilloma Virus is more prevalent in uncircumcised males, as too are unhygienic practices, ie it takes effort of care in the uncircumcised to keep it clean)
Same Sh*t, different day..

Sex does not cause cancer.

Therefore, Circumcision does not prevent cervical cancer.

Ummm using your above report : Cervical cancer is caused by a sexually transmitted virus, and it may be activated by certain factors that are under the control of the individual.
Early sexual activity, multiple sexual partners, and failure to use condoms increase the risk of contracting HPV infection. .... 2 They did point to some factor associated with coitus as a cause of cancer but they were unable to identify that factor.

Yep just skip lightly over anything that doesn't sit well with 'anti' circumcisionists.
What's YOUR definition of sex??

Cancer is an over-healing process on organs under constant stress or irritation.
The BS that advocates of Uncircumcised penis's claim, that it interferes with PLEASURE is just that .... Bullshite ... it merely lengthens the time it takes to "Get there". Orgasm remains the same in intensity ... and just as in women the intensity varies in each individual.
The trouble with the male mindset is they believe everything another male relates of his prowess and (longed for) experiences.

General / - MOOA and the Mark of the Beast
« on: September 28, 2012, 08:20:12 AM »
Genesis 17
The Covenant of Circumcision

Genesis is is the first book of Moses (the greateast of all Jews)  and the first five books of OUR bible. That Moses actually wrote them is in dispute, however giving the benefit of doubt, if he did really write them, were they written under the influence of halucinogenic mushrooms? (The dead sea scrolls make the point that psillocybe mushrooms were an active part of religion in biblical times and are still in use worldwide today ). Parse this chapter and recognise the religious mind control content.  ...
This video should be watched and digested by all religious minded people 
The psilocybin and psychadelic mushrooms are in evidence throughout religious texts, tomes, frescos, churches and psalters. ... You've been Shroomed.
Any intelligent person knows that God has never spoken to anyone let alone given orders about how to conduct our lives, (those directives are in our God-given spirituality, DNA, conscience, freewill and our general nature unaffected by religious mind control. Of course logic (also God-given) must be employed to utilise them properly.
1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, "I am God Almighty; walk before me and be blameless. 2 I will confirm my covenant between me and you and will greatly increase your numbers." 3 Abram fell facedown, and God said to him, 4 "As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. 5 No longer will you be called Abram; your name will be Abraham, for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you very fruitful; I will make nations of you, and kings will come from you. 7 I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you. 8 The whole land of Canaan, where you are now an alien, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God."
How much of this is the desire to be a leader and demigod
9 Then God said to Abraham, "As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. 10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner--those who are not your offspring.  

How much of this is personal thoughts on hygeine and aesthetics and hi-lighted through psychadelic experience ... smegma is a foul smelling deposit under the foreskin of uncircumcised males, and would be prevelent in desert dwellers where water is scarce.
13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised.
God is advocating SLAVERY??
..... Ahh the Jewish subterfuge of the Torah and our OT. One and the same.

The World Below / - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
« on: September 27, 2012, 03:26:30 PM »
Nice to see you back Misty and hopefully all settled and in great shape.  :)

Thank you Sushi, it's good to be back.
Off topic so I can answer you in the first instant ... Yep I'm in great shape now, and all settled among real sheep (the four legged variety) ... Some really funny stories to tell about my ex-daughter-in-law (the sheep farmer) with whom I now reside. But that's for another time and place.

The World Below / - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
« on: September 27, 2012, 08:00:28 AM »
My sentiment entirely! Democracy is an illusion. A democracy does not present the pretty picture they would like us to believe.

A simple explanation of what a democracy represents is: two wolves and a sheep take a majority vote on what's for dinner. (I have mentioned this before.)

In other words, in a democracy (which is majority rule); there is nothing to protect the sheep from the wolves, the wolves representing the majority, the sheep, the minority.

However, in a constitutional republic: the wolves are forbidden from voting on what’s for supper and the sheep is well armed.

The wolves are our shepherds ;-)

General / - MOOA and the Mark of the Beast
« on: September 27, 2012, 07:53:27 AM »
If J E Ws tell us Sexual mutilation is good, who are we to question them?
The rest of your insane anti religion  post is typical Protocols of Zion #14,  Kosher Bullsh*t

Infant dies after contracting herpes during blood-sucking Jewish circumcision ritual at hospital
Friday, March 09, 2012 by: Ethan A. Huff, staff writer

(NaturalNews) A two-week old boy died recently at Maimonides Hospital in Brooklyn, New York, after undergoing a rarely-practiced, and highly controversial, Jewish circumcision ritual known as metzitzah b'peh. According to the New York Daily News (NYDN), the unidentified young boy contracted herpes simplex virus Type 1 from the Rockland County rabbi that performed the ritual on him, and died shortly thereafter.

The practice, which involves a rabbi literally sucking the blood from the circumcised boy's "wound" with his mouth after the circumcision has been performed, has long been considered by many, including those in the public health sector, as extremely high risk -- some even attribute it to child abuse. And in this particular case, the boy, who is not the first to have died during a metzitzah b'peh ritual, contracted oral herpes from an unidentified, infected rabbi.

Learn more:

Stop dribbling your religious innuendos and try putting your brain into gear and respond with logic.

I have no respect for the jewish practice of metzitzah b'peh, just as I have no respect for Judaism or any other religion that requires suffering, trauma, and obedience in order to 'belong', or to carry out barbaric practices such as war and inhumane behaviour.

General / - MOOA and the Mark of the Beast
« on: September 27, 2012, 07:33:07 AM »
Sex does not cause cancer.

Therefore, Circumcision does not prevent cervical cancer.

Cancer rates for couples with males not circumcized is not higher than J E W esses who have a circumcized partner.

I dont think your post could be any more insane that it is...

And you speak from what experience and medical knowledge?

You should explore your subjects more deeply.. or from a female objectlive rather than the emotive male 'excuse'.

My ex partner of 33 years was an uncircumcised male ... I am just recently out of hospital after having a radical hysterectomy to have cancer removed.

What's your experience in such matters?

General / - MOOA and the Mark of the Beast
« on: September 27, 2012, 06:56:14 AM »
This is one of those standard jew explanations that sounds good, that most people swallow HLS.  But it's glaringly weak.  Half the world's cultures/populace (e.g.,  East Asia) does not practice it and has no resulting health issues.  So once we discount this explanation, we must see it as some type of ritualistic branding or "marking".

And this is a standard response by religious fanatics. When all else fails blame the jews and never the irreligious zionists of no denomination.

It's how wars are kept popular and enemies created ... OMG! what can we bitch about if not the jews.

You imply that I am a jew because I speak via FACTS, and that too is a favoured Christian/jewish ploy to cover up the truth, totally ignoring the fact that jews and christians, along with Islam and every other 'religion', was designed and introduced by man and not God.

Religion is what is wrong with this world not what is right. Religion is man's enemy not his salvation.

Maybe half the population doesn't practice circumcision, but then not half the population is jewish either. Muslims worldwide also practice circumcision, that's around 1.5 BILLION people, compared with Jews, around 13 Million.

Many native people also practice circumcision, many Christians do too, ask them why and the usual answer is "for cleanliness" and rarely for religious reasons, and some for medical reasons.

And please don't use jews and their religious practices as an example for passing circumcision on to other cultures because it was RELIGION ... Almost all religions began with the same fairy tales and fed off each other as the 'leaders' saw fit.

People followed the 'wolves in shepherds garb' because they were too lazy to explore their own conscience and their true Godliness.


General / - MOOA and the Mark of the Beast
« on: September 27, 2012, 01:22:51 AM »
What could male circumcision be about other than to place such a mark?

Forgot to mention this reason ... circumcision helps to prevent cervical cancer in women.

Sex ie normal sex involves women too.

General / - MOOA and the Mark of the Beast
« on: September 27, 2012, 01:19:14 AM »
I think the practice got its start from the old Rabbis - if they can't enjoy sex then no other men should be allowed to either.  So cut off the most sensitive part of their genitalia before they are old enough to protest.

Once these guys realized that it could be used to identify the jew, they inflicted the practice on the gentiles as well.

Are you male?? Are you 'doing it' properly?

Penis Pleasure Zones
Head: This is the most erogenous part of the penis and is extremely rich in nerve endings. (ie the Glans)

Frenulum: The part of the head where the pleasure receptors are at their most concentrated, making it the most sensitive.

Rim: One of the most touch-receptive areas. (ie the rim is more exposed in circumcised males and more able to be stimulated during coitus by the female's "ribbed" vagina.)

Underside: The soft area on the underside of the penis is the equivalent of the female G Spot. A firm touch will produce intense pleasure. (ie the 'spot' between the scrotum and base of the penis).

NO mention of the foreskin providing pleasure.


General / - MOOA and the Mark of the Beast
« on: September 27, 2012, 12:18:49 AM »
What could male circumcision be about other than to place such a mark?

How about cleanliness and spread of disease ... not to mention complications when the foreskin doesn't disengage from the glans naturally by age five months. ... All probable events in the times it was introduced. Today there are different reasons and different techniques.

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