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General / - Walts Radio Call on 911 with Radio Shill Host-50K Watt station
« on: September 11, 2012, 12:10:02 PM »

Sounds like the same old tired crap to me. "Dancing Israelis, War College, USS Liberty, blah, blah, blah..."

Dan: "Tom [Walt]... You're sick. You need to get your head straight".


Will Obama tell us exactly what it is we should remember.

The jews and shabbos goys who did it?

It was radical Muslim extremists who attacked the United States on 9/11/01.

Every sentient human being knows this.

Hell, in my own opinion, 9/11 ITSELF was blowback for all of our middle-east meddling.

If that's your opinion, then we are probably in agreement as to who perpetrated the attacks, and the rest of this (e.g., who benefitted, what did Ahmadinejad actually say) is academic.

My point all along has been that radical Islamic extremists were the ones who did it. And they had their reasons to attack the United States, not the least of which is the "middle-east meddling" to which you allude.

We can talk all day about the other points you raised. They are all valid, and serious discussions could be had about them as long as we begin with the notion that, yes, radical Islamic extremists (Muslims) are indeed the ones who flew the planes into those buildings for, among other things, the reason that you just stated.

Otherwise, we may as well be arguing over the aerial speed of flying unicorns.

Look only to who was in the administration at the time and who benefited. You won't - which you have been told to do time and time again.

But I am. And according to what's being said on another thread, the emerging primary beneficiaries of the attacks are the Islamic extremists to whom all the evidence points, as a US military infrastructure now weary of protracted war with no foreseeable end (a direct result of 9/11, or so it has been argued ad infinitum) begins to express reticence at supporting Israel in a conflict against its greatest enemy just as that enemy is on the brink of acquiring the nuclear capability to wipe Tel Aviv off the map, just as it has expressed a desire to do.

I think it's as plain as the nose on your face who benefitted from the 9/11 attacks. All one has to do is read the posted links to story after story of military commanders (and others in the USG) expressing a desire to leave Israel to the wolves which now surround it.

Oh, wait.

Such is merely indicative of the extent to which the "Jew" plot has actually failed, isn't it?

I almost forgot.

And yes, [gelignite] is a troll.

No. Trolls do not argue to defend their positions.

I do. Quite effectively.

The permanent digression into 'what happened - exactly?' has severely hampered the truth movement by way of tunnel vision.

If you can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen.

If you're going to assert that "the Jews" perpetrated 9/11 (and are responsible for a host of societal ills, including but not limited to crime, murder, earthquakes, tidal waves... the common cold, etc.), then it would behoove you to be prepared to explain how - EXACTLY HOW - they did it, to the exclusion of any other possibilities, especially those to which the bulk of the evidence points.

I think the fear of a lot of people here is that I am NOT a troll, or a paid agent, or whathaveyou, but, rather, just an ordinary Joe who represents the knowledge and thinking of most any American outside of this forum. And if you fold like cheap accordion under *my* questioning about the evidence, the what hope in hell does this "movement" (or "resistance", or whatever) have of ever gaining any traction in the real world (i.e., the one that exists outside of the Internet)?

I would that guess such is what underlies the reason you allow me to remain.

As usual, Jelly is full of shit.

'Fraid not. Your boy tried to pull a gun on a cop while resisting arrest.

And got himself dead in the process.

Wonder what he thinks of Curt Maynard?

Last time I commented on a Curt Maynard thread I wound up getting the boot.

It's here:

The World Below / - Iran - Our next war?
« on: September 03, 2012, 03:07:53 PM »
Do you think that the authors of the PNAC document were oblivious to the deeper meaning of that event?

I'm less interested in what you think it means than what it actually says. Two different things entirely.

Which I have now pointed out.

Ask any American who isn't on the edge of the rapture whether they want their money to go to the jews directly and I think you'll find that US support for Israel does not extend beyond the traitorous 5th column...

Ask "any" American who it was that perpetrated the 9/11 attacks.

Ask "any" American if they're okay with the likes of Ahmadinejad possessing nuclear weapons.

Ask "any" American if they're comfortable letting the only Westernized democracy in the region become replaced by a religious theocracy whose ideology holds that the US represents a great Satan which deserves punishment for crimes against Islam... you know, people like bin Laden and the radical Muslim extremists who most "any" American readily accepts as the 9/11 perps.

See, it's not so much about support for Israel as it is concern over a threat that would make the destruction of the Twin Towers look like a square dance. One doesn't have to love "the Jews" or Israel in order to understand what the correct response is here. One only needs the will to carry it out to its logical conclusion. Some Americans are having a bit of difficulty with this in the current climate, but they'll come around eventually. As they say, get them by the balls and their hearts and minds will follow.

In terms of your whole "cry wolf" scenario, I'd submit that to whatever extent there exists any reticence to support Israel against Iran, it's much more in line with the long term Islamic motivations behind the 9/11 attacks than your convoluted, right-hand-red/left-hand-blue theories regarding some failed Israeli plot to "catalyze" American support.

Everyone knows who the true enemy is. Not just people "like" me, but every thinking American who resides in the reality-based community.

And this is a fact.

The World Below / - Iran - Our next war?
« on: September 03, 2012, 02:09:53 PM » was SOME American traitors working in cooperation with a foreign nation that committed 911.

Oh? How many? Which ones, specifically? Where are they now?

How do you know they're not still in positions to wield influence? They did, after all, help perpetrate the murder of thousands of Americans, plunging the United States into perpetual war for Israel's benefit.

Or are you simply talking out of your ass?

As usual.

The World Below / - Iran - Our next war?
« on: September 03, 2012, 11:54:14 AM »
Show us the debunking not written by a jew or one of their opologists.

Read the passage for yourself:

[emphasis added...

To preserve American military preeminence in the coming decades, the Department of Defense must move more aggressively to experiment with new technologies and operational concepts, and seek to exploit the emerging revolution in military affairs. Information technologies, in particular, are becoming more prevalent and significant components of modern military systems. These information technologies are having the same kind of transforming effects on military affairs as they are having in the larger world. The effects of this military transformation will have profound implications for how wars are fought, what kinds of weapons will dominate the battlefield and, inevitably, which nations enjoy military preeminence.


Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current missions. A decision to suspend or terminate aircraft carrier production, as recommended by this report and as justified by the clear direction of military technology, will cause great upheaval. Likewise, systems entering production today – the F-22 fighter, for example – will be in service inventories for decades to come. Wise management of this process will consist in large measure of figuring out the right moments to halt production of current-paradigm weapons and shift to radically new designs. The expense associated with some programs can make them roadblocks to the larger process of transformation – the Joint Strike Fighter program, at a total of approximately $200 billion, seems an unwise investment. Thus, this report advocates a two-stage process of change – transition and transformation – over the coming decades.


I break off here because once again you are avoiding the issue by distracton into another subject entirely.

It was not I who brought up PNAC. I was simply clarifying what it was, since it appeared that you were somewhat confused as to its meaning.

As for my question to Effendi, it's still out there, quite untouched. And it is relevant.

Once again, if one is taking the position that the tide of US support for Israel is turning, then I'd like to know how this jibes with the long-term goal that is said to have been the underlying motive behind the Israeli "false flag" attack that 9/11 is argued to have been.

The answer, I suspect, is not in those size ten sneakers you've been staring at these past few minutes.

The World Below / - Iran - Our next war?
« on: September 03, 2012, 11:04:34 AM »
Yes Israhell...

Uh-oh... Anytime someone resorts to this type of spelling, it's usually a sign they've been thrown a curve...

...the PNAC crowd...

PNAC? Wait... are you talking about the Project for a New American Century?

You do know that this is one of the most often and oldest debunks in 9/11 truthkookdom, right? That the "new pearl harbor" passage to which you're alluding specifically referred to a transformation of technologies, and not globalization of policy (or somesuchother)?

Surely, you do realize this.

The World Below / - Iran - Our next war?
« on: September 03, 2012, 10:49:21 AM »
It's important we define the argument. That should read as follows for accuracy:

The US and Israel jews in DC and the jews in Tel Aviv and the jews in every nation are on the same page when it comes to Iran. Make no mistake.

We make no mistake in understanding that. Funny you would declaim jew influence generally but then pay homage to their hegemony on every specific instance of the exercise of jew power.

So you think the notion that Iran should not be allowed nuclear weapons is a Jewish one... that it is "jew influence" which drives it?

Think again.

The World Below / - Iran - Our next war?
« on: September 03, 2012, 10:30:39 AM »
There is a reason why the US made a deal in the last 48 hours with Iran to ensure that IF the israeli's attack, Iran KNOWS that it is WITHOUT the US.  Iran will not strike back on US bases and israel will receive the 50,000 or 150,000 missiles they will be requesting.

Yes, I'm sure this is exactly what the US wants Iran to "know" at this time... that Israel is all alone and completely isolated from its Western ally.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you and others of your ilk of the mind that Israel plotted with elements of the US government to murder 3000 US citizens so that (among other things) Israel's position would be secured in the middle east?

So how does all this jibe together with the Master Plan, then? On the one hand, Israel (with US cooperation) conducted a false flag operation designed to justify the US occupation of middle-eastern countries for its own and for Israel's behalf, and, on the other hand, weariness of said occupation/war is now being cited among the reasons why the US is making a deal with Israel's greatest enemy, letting them and Israel "know" that should Israel engage, then it does so without the US.

God it must be hard for you to keep all of this sh*t straight.

I read all of the reports...

Obviously not...

...there were reports of shorts in the valley, the police stopped and questioned Michael, frisked him and found an empty gun. No bullets in the weapon but they shot him in the chest anyway.

They shot him after he began resisting arrest and reached for the gun in his waistband. They had no way of knowing that the gun was empty at the time.

Some people would call this "suicide by cop".

A good shoot?

Yes, a "good shoot".

As in, justified, legal, according to police procedure, whathaveyou.

Look, I realize you admired the guy, and I'm sorry he got himself dead, but anyone who resists arrest and tries to pull a gun (loaded or not) on a cop is, on some basic level, batshit f*cking insane.

Hmm. Then again, I guess maybe I do see why you admired the guy after all.

...too bad he was killed and you still breath[e]...

Yes, a lot of people are gone, and I'm still here. The difference is (and unlike you), I would never wish for anyone's death, least of all some virtual personality with whom my only point of contact in this life is some backwater Internet forum such as this one.

Even the loss of WRS saddened me somewhat, if for no other reason than I realize that he did have family and people who loved him, and, however much he and I vehemently disagreed on the issues, I do at least have empathy for them.

Perhaps you should contemplate this while fantasizing about bullets passing through the brains of your fellow men.

Whaddya think?

The World Below / - Iran - Our next war?
« on: September 03, 2012, 09:12:57 AM »
We'll just see won't we geli....

If it doesn't happen in my lifetime it will only be because my lifeline is cut short for some reason.

No, that won't be why. It simply won't happen. Not if you live to be 102.

Otherwise, I expect to see the rift between the zionist state and the United States to become very apparent in the next few months.

You may see one, but it's all a ruse. The US and Israel are on the same page when it comes to Iran. Make no mistake.

Bottom line, The US doesn't care what israel says or thinks anymore, we remember your treachery and the USS Liberty.

No one gives a damn about the USS Liberty. What they do care about is whether Muslim kooks are inching closer to nuclear weapons, and no one wants that to happen ever.

The US and Israel are of the name mind on this one. They both know that every so often you have to take a country like Iran, bend it over your knee, and paddle its ass. HARD.

Rest assured, this it what is going to happen.

Now you go and enjoy the rest of this holiday weekend.


9/11 / - Motives for the September 11 attacks
« on: September 03, 2012, 08:43:37 AM »
Gelly, don't waste my time with your circlejerking.

You came up with an article stating that no one died in the crashed blackhawk as proof of your claims.

Yeah... my claims that no one died in the crash. Such was the thrust, not that it was one kind of chopper or another. Frankly, I don't give a damn what kind of helicopter it was. Seal Team Six did survive the raid. That was my whole point.

But since there apparantly was no blackhawk involved, your "proof" only prove your claims to be worth shit.

In the first place, you're incorrect. There most-certainly was a Blackhawk involved. An obviously heavily-modified version of one, to be sure, but a Blackhawk helicopter nonetheless.

In the second place, none of that matters. Even if it was a Rogue Mystere III, or a Super Quad VII, or whatever other cool sounding name that one could possibly come up with, the fact remains that none of Team Six died in whateverthef*ckitwas that crashed.

That you're seizing on the whole "Blackhawk" thing demonstrates a want of clarity, I think.

9/11 / - Motives for the September 11 attacks
« on: September 03, 2012, 08:25:19 AM »
"The military knows that Israel did 911. It is 100% certain that 9-11 was a Mossad operation – period."

- Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former director of Strategic Studies Institute, U.S. Army War College

Well... if that's true, then let's see some arrests being made... let's cut off aid to Israel today. The military is obliged to defend us from threats foreign AND domestic. If Israel did it, and military KNOWS this, then surely we should attack today. And arrest anyone in the government who tries to intervene.

I'm gonna turn on my TV right now and see if Sabrosky's claim holds true.

Be right back...

9/11 / - Motives for the September 11 attacks
« on: September 03, 2012, 08:00:47 AM »
That's because you sons of bitches suffer from hubris.... Now your malevolent little minds are thinking they can attack the second oldest nation on earth, Persia...

Actually, it was the Persians who suffered from Hubris.

9/11 / - Motives for the September 11 attacks
« on: September 03, 2012, 07:45:46 AM »
Thus calling that chopper a plain ole blackhawk is a lie brought forth by liars and you gelly are one of them.

I'm not calling it anything. In fact, I'll say it's a flying whirlybird contraption, if it makes you happy... anything but a "plain ole blackhawk" (which, as I've just pointed out, it has been generally acknowledged not to be).

How any of this establishes whether Seal Team Six got wiped out during the mission, however, I don't see. Perhaps you can enlighten us.

By all means... tell us how the *name* of that chopper played a role in their demise.

9/11 / - Motives for the September 11 attacks
« on: September 03, 2012, 07:20:07 AM »
5 dancing israelis were pretty suspicious group.

As opposed to the hundreds of dancing Palestinians, singing songs and passing out candy?

If you say so. Then again, these Israelis were questioned, weren't they?

Urban Movers disappered after 911, why?

You'd have to ask Dominic Suter. I would suppose, however, that it had something to do with the fact that the bulk of his work force had just been arrested.

Silverstein made a lot of money out of WTC attack.

Actually, Silverstein lost a lot of money. The amount he was paid by the insurance company (insurance he was required to take out as a condition of his lease) offset that loss until he could rebuild the WTCs, get tenants back, etc.

Primary reason was to start wars in middle east, so that they could secure Israels position in middle east.

Israel's "position" is no more or less secure because of the US presence in Iran and Afghanistan. Rockets are still being fired against the civilian population therein, and the IDF is continues to undertake military operations in order to further "secure" borders, territories, whatnot. LoneWolf maintains a continuous stream of posts regarding the bloodshed being spilt. 9/11 hasn't affected Israel's position one iota.

In fact, it could be argued that the current reticence among some within the US military/government to support an attack against Iran (which does, by far, represent Israel's biggest threat) is largely borne out of the weariness at having already fought middle-eastern wars on two fronts over the past decade - wars for which 9/11 was used as a justification.

So I don't see where you're getting this idea of Israel's security as a motivating factor for the attacks. If anything, the past ten years have left them more vulnerable than ever before.

9/11 / - Motives for the September 11 attacks
« on: September 03, 2012, 06:30:58 AM »
If you insist on supporting that official story about a blackhawk crashing.

Hoo-boy, I'm impressed. Ain't nuttin' gettin' past you, is it? You're like a modern day Sherlock Holmes!

Don't read much, huh.

The idea that it was a heavily-modified Blackhawk has been fairly-well covered. I'd post a link to an article, but you can't swing a dead cat without hitting one, apparently.

But you be sure to let us all know when you crack the case with your Google image search.

You Internet sleuth, you.

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