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Sandy Hook / - Mossad Death Squads Slaughter 20 Toddlers At Sandy Hook
« on: December 21, 2012, 11:29:50 AM »
Information underground posted this piece claiming that there is no connection to Robert Holmes and Peter Lanza to the LIBOR scandal.  It's hard to know with so much disinformation on the internet.  Who knows maybe this article is disinformation?

http://12160.info/forum/topics/no-viable....horten_t witter

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Sandy Hook / - Mossad Death Squads Slaughter 20 Toddlers At Sandy Hook
« on: December 21, 2012, 10:39:11 AM »
Other forums are all abuzz with the clues contained in the Batman movie.  Apparently the locations for both incidents are significant and both were shown in that movie . 

This has all been deliberately preplanned for the duel purposes of enforcing gun control and to stop the fathers from spilling the beans on the massive LIBOR scandal.

Americans clinging to their guns is probably the biggest cause of frustration and implementation of the plan for global control.  It seems to backfire on them though, every time they pull off another tragic event such as these, more guns and ammo fly off the shelves.  In the end they'll probably resort to some kind of biological attack.

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Sandy Hook / - Mossad Death Squads Slaughter 20 Toddlers At Sandy Hook
« on: December 20, 2012, 11:31:00 PM »
For sure it's all about gun control.  However it goes much deeper than that.  Google James Holmes and Adam Lanza's fathers were due to testify in the LIBOR scandal.  Massive attempt to muzzle the fathers from revealing the extent of the corruption in the biggest Wall St. Banking scandal ever.

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General / Dooms Day
« on: December 20, 2012, 08:56:58 PM »
It's December 21, 2012 in my neck of the woods and all is well.  Hope everyone else survives the end of the world.

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General / - Re: * Is Putin A True Christian Leader?
« on: October 25, 2012, 01:54:00 AM »
I think if you check, the Black Sea mansion was probably owned by the Russian federation...The Black Sea is a popular vacation spot for Russian bigwigs and the state maintains houses there for that purpose.

When Gorbachev was overthrown he was vacationing in a state owned Black Sea home.

http://en.novayagazeta.ru/investigations/8746.html

Putin still can use the palace
Investigations

04.03.2011 

“The Palace for Putin” on the Black Sea coast, which St Petersburg businessman Sergei Kolesnikov told Novaya Gazeta about in an interview, has been sold. The official owner of the palace was a company belonging to Nikolai Shamalov, a friend of the prime minister. The palazzo was purchased by Alexander Ponomarenko, a partner of Putin’s other friends, the Rotenberg brothers, purchased the palazzo, with the transaction amounting to approximately $350m. This  sum sets Ponomarenko back quite a bit, while Shamalov’s wallet barely feels it, considering that Kolesnikov estimates total investment in the South Project, a construction venture, at $1 billion.

Putin’s friend sold the palace to a partner of Putin’s friends. What changed because of this? Nothing. Does that mean that Putin will no longer be able to use the palace? No. To the media’s credit, it managed to draw attention to the house and force its owners – formal and actual – to reluctantly respond. At first, Head of the President’s Administrative Directorate Vladimir Kozhin stated that his Directorate had no connection to the palace. But after Novaya Gazeta published documents on its construction that Kozhin had personally signed, the department went silent and more than 14,000 people voted for Kozhin’s resignation on our website. The prime minister’s spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, said Putin had nothing to do with the palace, while local residents from the village of Praskoveyevka, which was inundated in trash and saw all its pastures destroyed by the building’s construction, say they had seen the prime minister there on many occasions. This list of lies and ludicrous deceit could go on for a long time, but it all culminated in this transaction.

Having purchased the palace, Alexander Ponomarenko is trying to convince everyone that he made a sound financial decision. I feel sorry for him. A palace is not an asset; it’s a luxury which requires constant spending that could reach millions of dollars. A palace is for show; it isn’t a way of earning money. It can’t be converted into a hotel or a luxurious resort. The people who could afford one night in such a “hotel” prefer Courchevel, while the people living in the neighbourhood have other concerns – their cattle have nowhere to graze. The palace was built solely for its owner.

Ponomarenko won’t sell at a disadvantage. He bought the palace with money he earned along with Arkady Rotenberg from the sale of Novorossiysk Commercial Sea Port. As is always the case with transactions involving the prime minister’s friends, the purchase price far exceeded the market value. Purchasing a palace means investing in loyalty. In this sense, Ponomarenko got his money’s worth.

The seller, Nikolai Shamalov, won’t go into the poorhouse, either. According to Kolesnikov, the project’s infrastructure was constructed using tax-payer money, while the house itself was built with money donated by oligarchs.

And there’s no way at all this transaction will affect the true owner of the Black Sea palazzo. Does it make a difference to him who manages the estate?

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Philosophy & Religion / - Mark of the Beast
« on: October 25, 2012, 01:45:06 AM »
I wonder where Jews got that symbol from? Some things from ancients times we'll never know.

>The first mention of the six-pointed star in Israelite literature was in Amos 5:6, when YAWEH angrily tells His people that " I hate and despise your feast days &. You shall take up Siccuth, your king and Chiun your images, the star of your God &." Siccuth (Sakkuth) and Chiun (Kaiwan) means "star" and refers to Saturn as a star, and was objects of idolatrous worship, as they were considered to be Assyrian gods. The mixed multitude that went out of Egypt with the children of Israel took the star with them. Like the obelisk, the six-pointed star was an Egyptian idol used in idolatrous worship. In 922 B.C. when Solomon married the daughter of Pharoah, he became involved in Egyptian idol worship and went into magic, and witchcraft. Solomon built an altar to Ashtoreth and Moloch, and the six-pointed star, the chief symbol of human sacrifices in magic and witchcraft circles, came to be called the Seal of Solomon. Solomon did not heed the subsequent warnings from God to cease from these abominable practices, even after God threatened to rend the Kingdom of Israel from his son's hand. And indeed, the split occurred after Solomon's death. Solomon's idolatry caused the Kingdom of Israel to be split in two. The practices he introduced to the children of Israel eventually caused the House of Israel to go into exile into the Caucasus, and the House of Judah to go into captivity. It was Josiah who later destroyed this forbidden altar. Did you know that the number 666 was connected to Solomon? (1 Kings 10:14) Yes, 666 talents of gold was sent to Solomon each month by none other than the King of Tyrus. After you have read this account in the book of 1 Kings, turn to Ezekiel Chapter 28. Oh, what a tangled web was weaved, when Solomon practised to deceive. King Solomon left many articles which proved his blatant idolatry, such as King Solomon's Mirror, King Solomon's Comb, and the six-pointed star, which became known as the Seal of Solomon in the witchcraft and occult world. Solomon also laid down the foundations of the Craft (Daniel 8:25) which later became known as Freemasonry., and the six-pointed star features prominently in Masonic rituals. King David was Solomon's father, but he was never an idolater. He made it absolutely clear that God Himself was his shield, not only in Psalm 3:3 but in Psalm 28:7, Psalm 119:114, and Psalm 144:2. The book, The Six-Pointed Star, is the first and only academic work which documents the origin and historical usage of this symbol. From Egypt to Solomon, to Arab magic, and witchcraft, to Druid uses, to freemasonry, to Mayer Amschel Bauer, who in the 17th century changes his name to depict the red six-pointed star which hung on his door in Germany, and thus began the family of "Rothschild" (meaning red shield). The Rothschild family incorporated this symbol in their Court of Arms. The research traced the six-pointed star through the Cabala, to astrology, to Hitler and his putting a yellow six-pointed star on Jews during the holocaust, to the Zionist symbol, and finally to the flag of the State of Israel and beyond. Because this symbol is comprised of a six within a six within a six (i.e. 6 points, 6 triangles, 6 sides of the inner hexagon) the research also includes a look at the 666 prophecies in the Book of Daniel etc., regarding the "willful king" (anti-Christ) and the "mark of the Beast." Included too, is the Scriptural significance of the number seven, and the Biblical description of the real Messiah, and the seven-branched Candlestick (Menorah), which God gave to the children of Israel as an everlasting Covenant, which is also mentioned in the New Testament and the Book of the Revelation. All sources are written at the bottom of each page making it easy for readers to see and check for themselves. It is the first and only book published on the origin and history of the six-pointed star. The book contains shocking information regarding the usage of the six-pointed star and its intimidating link with mankind. Have a good read. http://members.attcanada.ca/~vrai/SixPointedStar.htm

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The World Below / - * Russia
« on: December 29, 2011, 12:55:23 PM »
It doesn't matter who poses as president in Russia.

http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/jr-nyquist/2011/10/03/is-russia-ruled-by-a-secret-politburo

Is Russia Ruled by a Secret Politburo?

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During a broadcast of Shuster Live, former Ukrainian President Leonid Kravchuk publicly stated that the real rulers of Russia are “one step above” Prime Minister Putin and President Dmitri Medvedev. “The situation in Russia became such that not one or two people run the country,” Kravchuk explained, “Putin and Medvedev do not determine the future of Russia and the world. Another group determines the policy.”

The other television guests, along with the host (Mr. Shuster), listened attentively to Kravchuk’s explanation. Nobody jumped up to contradict him. He spoke carefully, in a calm voice, sometimes smiling as he spoke. Kravchuk’s manner had the authority of one who knows. The live audience applauded Kravchuk’s statement, which warned that the thinking of the Ukrainian government was mistaken. The Ukrainian government thinks it can build a relationship of friendship with Russia, he said, but there is no friendship. “Russia is ruled not by one or two individuals but by a group of people,” Kravchuk explained. “Russia has not yet identified the names, but this is a real fact.”

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This cryptic exchange was extraordinary in what it revealed. Sensitive information was being discussed publicly, and discretion was in play. No history lesson was given, no detailed explanation was offered. Now that Putin is running for the presidency, Kravchuk wanted Ukraine to realize that Putin doesn’t matter. Russia’s policy is not going to change. Elections don’t matter in Russia because the real rulers of the country are not the elected rulers. A Politburo-like structure exists at the top, and all decisions are made by it. Ukraine should not put its hopes in Russian democracy. There are elections, of course, but the nominal personalities put forward are the servants of unnamed others. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNVG7wEs5gk&feature=youtu.be

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The World Below / - Mr. Paul’s Discredited Campaign
« on: December 28, 2011, 04:17:58 PM »
I wonder is this is really true.   Probably just sour grapes on the part of the ex-employee though.

http://gulagbound.com/24520/ex-staffer-ron-paul-wishes-the-israeli-state-did-not-exist/

Ex-Staffer: Ron Paul ‘Wishes the Israeli State Did Not Exist’

Ron Paul himself has some explaining to do.

Campaign personnel can call it “damage control,” if they need, but what is needed from Rep. Paul about this matter are the thoughts and sentiments of a searched-out soul, expressed forthrightly and clearly.

Americans should have “the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth” about a matter this grave, from Ron Paul himself, directly to Citizens.

Treated in NewsMax.com (admittedly, a tycoon transnationalist, multinational corporation bent, global NGO biased, neo-con -tainted “conservative” operation):

Former Ron Paul Aide: He’s Anti-Israel
 Wednesday, 28 Dec 2011 12:32 PM
It includes a weak attempt at dismissal by Paul’s campaign.

And the source article by the ex-staffer, in RightWingNews.com, Monday, December 26th:

Statement from fmr. Ron Paul staffer on Newsletters, Anti-Semitism
 Written By : Eric Dondero
Fmr. Senior Aide, US Cong. Ron Paul, 1997 – 2003
Campaign Coordinator, Ron Paul for Congress, 1995/96
National Organizer, Draft Ron Paul for President, 1991/92
Travel Aide/Personal Asst. Ron Paul, Libertarian for President
1987/88

I have been asked by various media the last few days for my comments, view of the current situation regarding my former boss Ron Paul, as he runs for the presidency on the Republican ticket.

I’ve noticed in some media that my words have been twisted and used for an agenda from both sides. And I wish to set the record straight with media that I trust and know will get the story right: conservative/libertarian-conservative bloggers.

Is Ron Paul a “racist.” In short, No. I worked for the man for 12 years, pretty consistently. I never heard a racist word expressed towards Blacks or Jews come out of his mouth. Not once. And understand, I was his close personal assistant. It’s safe to say that I was with him on the campaign trail more than any other individual, whether it be traveling to Fairbanks, Alaska or Boston, Massachusetts in the presidential race, or across the congressional district to San Antonio or Corpus Christi, Texas.

He has frequently hired blacks for his office staff, starting as early as 1988 for the Libertarian campaign. He has also hired many Hispanics, including his current District staffer Dianna Gilbert-Kile.

One caveat: He is what I would describe as “out of touch,” with both Hispanic and Black culture. Ron is far from being the hippest guy around. He is completely clueless when it comes to Hispanic and Black culture, particularly Mexican-American culture. And he is most certainly intolerant of Spanish and those who speak strictly Spanish in his presence, (as are a number of Americans, nothing out of the ordinary here.)

Is Ron Paul an Anti-Semite? Absolutely No. As a Jew, (half on my mother’s side), I can categorically say that I never heard anything out of his mouth, in hundreds of speeches I listened too over the years, or in my personal presence that could be called, “Anti-Semite.” No slurs. No derogatory remarks.

He is however, most certainly Anti-Israel, and Anti-Israeli in general. He wishes the Israeli state did not exist at all. He expressed this to me numerous times in our private conversations. His view is that Israel is more trouble than it is worth, specifically to the America taxpayer. He sides with the Palestinians, and supports their calls for the abolishment of the Jewish state, and the return of Israel, all of it, to the Arabs.

continues at source

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General / - * Is Putin A True Christian Leader?
« on: December 28, 2011, 04:09:37 PM »
http://www.putin-itogi.ru/putin-corruption-an-independent-white-paper/

I guess we'll never know the extent of Putin's alleged corruption and whether the charges are true or not.  My personal opinion is that Putin is probably just another tool doing what he's told to do.  There is no way the PTB would relinquish to Saint Vladimir all the power and wealth of Russia on a silver platter.  Those who really wield all the power are famous for controlling both sides.

http://www.piie.com/realtime/?p=2573

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Russia belongs to the dubious group of the most corrupt countries in the world. Conspicuously, it failed to extend its road network after 1997. In prominent publications by the liberal opposition politicians Boris Nemtsov and Vladimir Milov, charges of personal corruption against Putin have been detailed and documented. The alleged amounts exceed $50 billion and continue to rise.
A young lawyer, Alexei Navalny, started a campaign through his blog against corruption and fraud against minority shareholders of the big state-dominated companies. His big feat was to reveal evidence that appeared to prove that the management of the state oil pipeline company, Transneft, had embezzled $4 billion when building the Far East Oil Pipeline. Needless to say, nobody was prosecuted, though the main culprit fled to Israel after some time. Navalny, the effective propagandist, labeled Putin’s party United Russia, the Party of Crooks and Thieves, and that name has stuck. Navalny has managed to burn through Putin’s Teflon and make the label "thief" stick to him.

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On November 20, Putin encountered his Ceausescu moment. On a cold day in December 1989, the Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu spoke to a large crowd, which started booing, and Ceausescu eventually fled in a helicopter from the roof of the party headquarters. At the Olympic Stadium in Moscow in late November, Putin appeared before 20,000 people at a wrestling event, and they began booing. This disdain was directly broadcast on Russian state television, showing Putin losing his nerve. He looked like a very small and insecure man.

Ever since, all representatives of the so-called Party of Crooks and Thieves have been several times greeted with jeers, and Putin has cancelled all large public events. As the Russian journalist Julia Latynina pointed out, a dictator has to be feared. When he no longer is, he is just ridiculous. That is Putin’s new conundrum.

Here's a couple more articles that allege Putin's corruption.

Vladimir Putin, on the Take

http://larussophobe.wordpress.com/2011/09/14/editorial-vladimir-putin-on-the-take/

SPECIAL EXTRA: Personal Corruption of Vladimir Putin Revealed

http://larussophobe.wordpress.com/2011/09/11/special-extra-personal-corruption-of-vladimir-putin-revealed/

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General / - * Is Putin A True Christian Leader?
« on: December 27, 2011, 01:12:04 PM »
http://www.putin-itogi.ru/putin-what-10-years-of-putin-have-brought/#2

PUTIN: What 10 Years of Putin Have Brought

An independent expert report by Vladimir Milov and Boris Nemtsov

Contents:
Introduction
Corruption is Eating Russia Up
The Country is Dying Out
Russia: Raw Materials Appendage
Dead-End in the Caucasus
Oh Dear, The Roads
A country of screaming inequality
Pensions Breakdown
Crooked Billions
- Organising a Winter Olympics in the Subtropics
- Crooked Pipelines
- The APEC-2012 (Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation) Leaders’ Summit in Vladivostok
Medvedev and His Results

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It is hardly surprising therefore that experts and followers of politics are competing with each other to guesstimate Putin’s personal worth. Is it $20 billion? $30 billion? More?…

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Putin declared that his income for 2009 amounted to 3.9 million roubles (~$125,000). On this income, our prime-minister was able to give a boy shepherd in the Tula region a wristwatch worth $10,500 only magically to be seen wearing a new model of the same a few days later.

The president’s and the prime-minister’s suits come from Brioni and Kiton (these go for €5000-7000 a shot) and are what Russia’s billionaires prefer.  Against the backdrop of the collapse in road-building and of much of the country’s infrastructure, our country’s leaders are building and restoring residences for their beloved selves out of the state budget (see http://svpressa.ru/society/article/21459/). They already have 13 of them dotted about the country!


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General / - * Is Putin A True Christian Leader?
« on: December 26, 2011, 07:41:29 PM »
In regard to this it might be interesting to review the prophecy of Fatima

"To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of Reparation on the First Saturdays [of each month]. If My requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church."

Pope John Paul II has consecrated Russia and Putin is converting Russia back to Christianity.

The Fatima apparitions happened between May 13, 1917 - October 13, 1917.  The Bolsheviks didn't seize power in Russia until October 23, 1917.  Russia was originally Catholic and even before the Russian Revolution, the Catholic Church was horribly persecuted in Russia.   It becomes rather obvious that when Our Lady requested that Russia be consecrated to Her Immaculate Heart, she fully intended that Russia would be converted to Catholicism, not return to schismatic Russian Orthodoxy.  It is also worth mentioning that during the apparitions Our Lady specifically mentioned the papacy, the rosary and Her Immaculate Heart.  When the children inquired about a girl they knew who had recently died, Our Lady told them she would be in purgatory until the end of the world.  The Orthodox deny the doctrines of purgatory and papal primacy.

Here is an apparition I never even heard of before:

http://catholicchampion.blogspot.com/2011/06/catholic-persecution-in-czarist-russia.html

Before the author approaches this topic, he looks at the Catholic Church as it appeared in 1914, when the Blessed Mother appeared to peasants at a Greek Catholic chapel near Hrushiv, which is now in present day Ukraine. The Blessed Mother warned the peasants of future wars and the danger of Russia becoming Godless. Little is mentioned of this apparition, which preceded Fatima by three years.

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/catholicteaching/privaterevelation/russia.htm

There have been a number of attempts made by the popes to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary beginning in 1942.  However, each time Sr. Lucia emphatically stated that they were not done according to Our Lady's wishes.


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General / - * Church and State ~ The most powerful people
« on: October 25, 2011, 10:07:59 AM »
Gotta love the Jesuits.

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General / - * Church and State ~ The most powerful people
« on: October 25, 2011, 10:00:50 AM »

I have nothing personal against religion, but it isn't for everyone and those who choose not to accept one should be left alone. At the same time I don't like overly anti-religious people who go on and on about why Atheism is so great.  The reason Catholicism is 'attacked' around here is because it's brought up so often and everytime it's brought up we get to hear how it created Western civilization which is an utter lie. 


That's fine if you have nothing against religion.  Personally I've never seen anyone on this forum attack or ridicule anyone who does not profess a religious creed.  If you choose not to believe in religion that is your business, you are free to do so.  However why must those of us that do be attacked?  Wasn't that one of the reasons for starting this thread?

The only the reason Catholicism is brought up so much on this forum is because it's attacked so often.

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General / - * Church and State ~ The most powerful people
« on: October 24, 2011, 08:20:56 PM »
Vatican calls for global authority on economy, raps “idolatry of the market”
Oct 24, 2011 09:08 EDT


The Vatican called on Monday for the establishment of a “global public authority” and a “central world bank” to rule over financial institutions that have become outdated and often ineffective in dealing fairly with crises. The document from the Vatican’s Justice and Peace department should please the “Occupy Wall Street” demonstrators and similar movements around the world who have protested against the economic downturn.

“Towards Reforming the International Financial and Monetary Systems in the Context of a Global Public Authority,” was at times very specific, calling, for example, for taxation measures on financial transactions. “The economic and financial crisis which the world is going through calls everyone, individuals and peoples, to examine in depth the principles and the cultural and moral values at the basis of social coexistence,” it said.

It condemned what it called “the idolatry of the market” as well as a “neo-liberal thinking” that it said looked exclusively at technical solutions to economic problems. “In fact, the crisis has revealed behaviours like selfishness, collective greed and hoarding of goods on a great scale,” it said, adding that world economics needed an “ethic of solidarity” among rich and poor nations.

“If no solutions are found to the various forms of injustice, the negative effects that will follow on the social, political and economic level will be destined to create a climate of growing hostility and even violence, and ultimately undermine the very foundations of democratic institutions, even the ones considered most solid,” it said.

It called for the establishment of “a supranational authority” with worldwide scope and “universal jurisdiction” to guide economic policies and decisions.

Asked at a news conference if the document could become a manifesto for the movement of the “indignant ones”, who have criticised global economic policies, Cardinal Peter Turkson, head of the Vatican’s Justice and Peace department, said: “The people on Wall Street need to sit down and go through a process of discernment and see whether their role managing the finances of the world is actually serving the interests of humanity and the common good. “We are calling for all these bodies and organisations to sit down and do a little bit of re-thinking.”

Read the full story here. http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2011/10/24/vatican-calls-for-global-authority-on-economy-raps-idolatry-of-the-market/



Pope Benedict Visits the Wailing Wall

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As expected the media has sensationalized and misrepresented this report and made it appear as if it's the Vaticans official stance on the current financial crisis.  It is not, this is merely the private opinion of Cardinal Turkson.

http://www.news.va/en/news/full-text...rom-the-pontif

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-benedict-calls-for-central-world-bank-only-he-didnt-heres-why?utm_source=LifeSiteNews.com+Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=10bee58bd1-LifeSiteNews_com_Canada_Headlines10_24_2011&utm_medium=email

Pope Benedict calls for ‘central world bank’ … only he didn’t. Here’s why.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/9F2g15JSbzs?version=3" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/9F2g15JSbzs?version=3</a>

October 24, 2011 (Catholicvote.org) - You may have seen this story which was headlined earlier today on the Drudge Report:

The Vatican called on Monday for the establishment of a “global public authority” and a “central world bank” to rule over financial institutions that have become outdated and often ineffective in dealing fairly with crises.

A major document from the Vatican’s Justice and Peace department should be music to the ears of the “Occupy Wall Street” demonstrators and similar movements around the world who have protested against the economic downturn.

The 18-page document, “Towards Reforming the International Financial and Monetary Systems in the Context of a Global Public Authority,” was at times very specific, calling, for example, for taxation measures on financial transactions. [CNBC]

In a scenario which will surely strike some as deja vu, the liberal jesuit Fr. Tom Reese previewed the contents of the document last week, in much the same way that the liberal jesuit Fr. Charles Curran “previewed” Humanae Vitae for the mainstream media before the document was actually released (the pope overruled Fr. Curran’s claims that the Church would endorse contraception — but the media had already made up its mind and few bothered to actually read what the pope had to say).

You can see a video of Fr. Reese on MSNBC “explaining” the news at the top of this story.

Notice that Fr. Reese does NOT correct the news anchor that this document comes from a vatican congregation — not the pope! Fr. Reese seems perfectly happy to help the mainstream media fundamentally misunderstand the authority of teaching this document enjoys. He claims that the pope has “more in common with the people at occupy wallstreet” than the tea party, even though he has to immediately walk back that claim when it is pointed out to him how violent (and anti-Catholic!) the Occupy Rome demonstrations were (as I blogged about last week). I think it’s no surprise that Fr. Reese spends so much time talking about the 60′s — that’s still his cultural frame of reference.

Rather than get into the nitty-gritty of the 18-page document (which I may do at a later point), let me focus on the most important point: framing. Here’s how Cardinal Turkson, President of the Congregation for Justice and Peace, and Bishop Toso, the secretary, explained how the document should be received and read:

…It is in this spirit of discernment that the Holy See, with the note of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, wishes to make a contribution which might be useful to the deliberations of the G-20 meeting”.

Bishop Toso explained that the aim of the note is “suggest possible paths to follow, in line with the most recent social Magisterium, for the implementation of financial and monetary policies…”

The Church does not wish to enter into the technical issues behind the current economic crisis, but remains within the ambit of her religious and ethical functions…

I have nothing to immediately add to that, because the very authors of the document make clear how it should be evaluated: namely, as a “contribution” (as opposed to a mandate), as a “possible path” (as opposed to a moral proscription), in line with the Magisterium’s social teaching (as opposed to introducing a new teaching), without getting into the technical issues (because the Church is an expert in humanity, not economics) while fully staying within the Church’s religious and ethical functions.

Liberal Catholics routinely (and in this case) try to read the Church’s social teaching as dogmatic while choosing to view the Church’s moral and religious teaching as optional. In fact, the Church herself is always careful to make clear that her moral and religious teaching is dogmatic and binding while her social teaching –and particularly her economic teaching– is exhortative and prudential.

With those extremely important guidelines in mind, we can more fruitfully read the text.

That said, I am absolutely sure the media cycle for the coming days and weeks will totally miss all these key points and distill this document down to misleading statements such as “Pope Benedict Endorses Central World Bank.” But as I explain above, he didn’t.

Fr. Reese and his liberal Catholic friends would be better served acting as messengers of the Church’s teaching as opposed to creators of it.

Reprinted with permission from CatholicVote.org



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General / - * Church and State ~ The most powerful people
« on: October 24, 2011, 04:25:07 PM »

Wrong it's from two Roman CATHOLIC Authors Piers Compton and Malachi Martin. Piers Compton, wrote in his book, "The Broken Cross: Hidden Hand In the Vatican".

This Bent Crucifix is "... a sinister symbol, used by Satanists in the sixth century, that had been revived at the time of Vatican Two. This was a bent or broken cross, on which was displayed a repulsive and distorted figure of Christ, which the black magicians and sorcerers of the Middle Ages had made use of to represent the Biblical term 'Mark of the Beast'. Yet, not only Paul VI, but his successors, the two John-Pauls, carried that object and held it up to be revered by crowds, who had not the slightest idea that it stood for anti-Christ." (p. 72) On page 56 Compton prints a picture of the current Pope, John Paul II, holding this bent or broken cross, just as we have shown, at left.

Therefore, Pope John Paul II is telling all the occultists the world over that he is not a Traditional Pope, but a Pope that is committed to carrying out the role of World Religious Leader as called for in the New World Order Plan.

The other Roman Catholic author, Malachi Martin, makes this same claim - that Pope John Paul II is committed to the New World Order Plan in his book, "The Keys To This Blood".

Is this what you KNOW or what you CHOOSE to believe, or perhaps taught by the church?

http://www.exposingsatanism.org/signsymbols.htm


 
The Traditional Crucifix, to the right. as you can see, is not bent in any way, top or bottom. Further, the picture of Jesus Christ is a full figure without any kind of distortion or disfiguration! The Traditional Roman Catholic Crucifix is very, very different from the "Bent Cross"

Indeed it does go deeper. Far deeper than than any gullible bible believer or faithful Catholic, who only researches as far as his loyalty to his religious teachings, will tolerate.

Piers Crompton appears to be a disgruntled ultra traditionalist Catholic who offers no proof whatsoever that can be verified to back up his claim that the broken crucifix is satanic.  All we have is his word for it.  Just because he's a Catholic doesn't mean the guy has any credibility.  He also makes some very serious allegations about John XXIII having been initiated into freemasonry, Paul VI having a double and JPII fathering a child out of wedlock.  If none of these accusations are true, then he is a liar guilty of serious calumny. 

Angelqueen did a series of articles years ago on Malachi Martin exposing what a fraud and traitor to Holy Mother Church he was.  FYI, I'm providing a few links, no sense in reinventing the wheel.  Hopefully after you read all the info on this charlatan and snake oil salesman you'll  take every thing he wrote about or said with a big grain  of rock salt.

Mystica I'm very sorry you're so disillusioned with organized religion.  You must have been really hurt by someone within the Church or perhaps what you were presented with was a distorted image of true religion.   For me the fuzzy new age spiritually you describe just doesn't cut it.  I need solid meat and potatoes religion that only true Catholicism offers.  Frequent reception of the sacraments especially the Holy Eucharist and Confession can work wonders in a persons life.  They are channels of God's grace.   I know because I'm a living miracle.

Malachi Martin's Double Agent Status Documented
http://www.angelqueen.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14932

Malachi Martin wasn't a 60s liberal, he was far worse
http://www.angelqueen.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12883

Martin's scandalous lies and outlandish claims on the deadly serious subject of exorcism
http://www.angelqueen.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13066&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Malachi Martin's traitorous endeavors against the Church during the 1960's
Clever pseudonyms, paid intelligence work and fabricated Papal Prayers
http://www.angelqueen.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13967


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2011 / - You've seen this face before
« on: October 22, 2011, 09:34:13 AM »
I find it hard to despise these people.  If anything all I can muster within myself is a deep sense of pity.  Hillary's day of reckoning is coming and I'm afraid it won't be pretty.

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The World Below / - Gaddafi killed
« on: October 22, 2011, 09:22:50 AM »
rumour has it no autopsy will be performed on gaddafi

Maybe there will be no autopsy because there is no dead Gaddafi.  From the getgo there have been so many inconsistencies in the reporting of this story it's hard to discern the truth.  Is he dead or not?  Who really knows?  Even though he seemed opposed to the vampires, he is known to have had connections to the CIA.  Being nobody's fool he understood that to continue the fight was hopeless and decided to throw in the towel and take refuge in some safe haven.  How do we know if it wasn't one of his doubles that was murdered?  He is reputed to have had twelve of them.  It's awfully suspicious that Hillary makes a secret trip to Libya calling for Gaddafi's death and presto two days later he's dead.  Also I can't help but see the parallels between Saddam's and Gaddafi's deaths.  One was supposed pulled out of a hole and the other was dragged out of a sewer.  A little too convenient if you ask me.

This site has all kinds of interesting speculation on this topic.
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2011-01-01T00%3A00%3A00%2B01%3A00&updated-max=2012-01-01T00%3A00%3A00%2B01%3A00&max-results=50





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The World Below / - Gaddafi killed
« on: October 20, 2011, 10:25:38 AM »
I guess the message is load and clear to any who oppose the Zionist NWO, conform or you'll be next.

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http://trevorloudon.com/2011/10/%e2%80%98suspended-election-revolution%e2%80%99-by-barry-does-it-play/

Submitted by Terresa on October 2, 2011 – 12:01 am EST

Gulag Bound

Presented for you now, an exercise in considering the incredible: that Barack Obama, et. conspiratorial al. would plan to suspend elections in an orchestrated national emergency, perhaps a false flag operation blamed on his opposition.

I do not say this will happen, nor am I selling the idea. The point is, this should be scrutinized and in principle when such things are fully sounded out, their probability — that is, the opportunity for them, lessens. And the objective in this: with an open mind, to gain the situational awareness necessary to keep from being duped by normality bias (what we are accustomed to, what we think we know) and by agitprop.

“Forewarned is forearmed.” If you would embark upon such a war-gaming journey of the mind, we suggest six initial steps, given below.

1. Make sure you are familiar with North Carolina Governor Bev Perdue’s “joke” that by sober evaluation was not a joke, but a flatly put suggestion called by some a “trial balloon”: that congressional elections should perhaps be suspended.

You can hear her comments on Tuesday, September 25th…

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/does-it-sound-nc-gov-joking-about-suspending-elections

…or read them, by means of Big Government and New Zeal – Trevor Loudon:

2. What a coincidence! Gov. Perdue, it is time to recall, is one of ten appointed by Barack Obama to serve on a very NWO-ish sounding Council of State Governors, arrayed around the country, purposed to handle responses militaristic and otherwise, to national emergencies.

That might seem to be just the kind of council (and remember the Russian word for governing council is “soviet”) that would deal with the suspension of our Constitutional governance and the imposition of something instead which would lay in a spectrum between that and dictatorial, martial law.

At the White House announcement of the Executive Order creating that extraconstitutional council, on February 4, 2010, this what they presented as Perdue’s bio:

Governor Beverly Eaves Perdue, Appointee for Member, Council of Governors Beverly Eaves Perdue was elected Governor of North Carolina in 2008. She sits on the National Governors Association Committee on Economic Development and Commerce and Committee on Homeland Security and Public Safety, and is a Lead Governor on the National Guard. Governor Perdue has a long history of public service, including her tenure as Lt. Governor from 2000 -2008 as well three years in the North Carolina House of Representatives and nine years in the State Senate. As Lt. Governor she led North Carolina’s response during the 2005 round of the Base Closure and Realignment Commission. Prior to running for office she worked as a public school teacher and as director of geriatric services at a community hospital. Perdue holds a Ph.D. in Education Administration.

More which explores this potential authoritarian threat to our Popular Sovereignty may be read at Flopping Aces and at Noisy Room.  Notice how the Flopping Aces article places it into a series of alarming federal (if our national government may still be called federal) moves and even transnational ploys.  Why, it is almost as if a plan were envisioned and a goal sought. Does anyone know of any goals out there, for “progressing” beyond our constitution and our national sovereignty?

3. Listen to what Rush Limbaugh had to say about a potential suspension of elections yesterday (Friday, September 30th) presented here, from Obama Release Your Records.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/GbGpNnTrjuU?version=3" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/GbGpNnTrjuU?version=3</a>

4. And here is the Judi McLeod article to which Limbaugh referred.

A dangerous new chapter is being written in American history that, if successful, is destined to impact the history of the West. It’s called ‘Re-Election by Suspended Election Revolution’
Warning: The threat of suspended elections is real

 - Judi McLeod  Friday, September 30, 2011 [Gulag Note: an excerpt from the middle of the article.]

This is Obama’s well-stocked position at a time when only suspended elections would guarantee his re-election.

North Carolina Gov. Bev Perdue was not joking when she spoke about suspending elections.  Nor did she pick the idea out of thin air.  Perdue was giving the suspend-congressional-elections idea its first oxygen for her hell-bent-for-leather boss.

It is crucial to not let this day go down without remembering what Perdue said.

Don’t let the state-controlled mainstream media lure you back to sleep by saying if there is no election, then why is Obama so diligently campaigning.

Obama is not campaigning. He is preparing for Stage Two of the Total Transformation of America, using taxpayer money to prepare his Internet-identified “troops” for the coming Marxist Revolution.

He must not be allowed to get away with it. Patriots should now be doing everything legal to stop him in his tracks.

Nothing is impossible when all the control is held by a tyrant.

continues

5. Okay, I am calling you on it. Did you really read that Flopping Aces article? It is called, “UPDATED: Connecting the dots on Obama’s Council of Governors“ and written by MataHarley. Here, let me excerpt that for you too. This is nothing to be lazy about, dive in.

As with most government powers, there is always the potential for abuse. In this case, there is cause for serious concern because every bit of this entails expanding traditional Command in Chief powers to the DOD, spreading troops around the US (potentially not American troops at that…) and deciding who has ultimate tactical command over reserves and Guard in the event of “emergencies”, terrorist attacks, or natural disasters.

Since we can’t expect much in clarification from this transparent administration, it’s up to us to sort out the intent, and inherent dangers to our founded Republic. And we sure we don’t need yet another head scratcher, like Obama’s INTERPOL executive order before Christmas. So I’m here to connect a few more dots on the Council of Governors.

A SERIES OF EVENTS LEADING TO EXPANDED DOD POWERS
The Council of Governors is not a complete bolt out of the blue, but another step in a series of events. The first recommendation of the Council came in a May 2007 commissioned report on the National Guard and Reserves by Arnold Punaro. The review noted that the Guard was short almost $40 bil in supplies and equipment due to committments since the 911 attack, and that individual governors had been “slighted”. The commission recommended a creation of the Council of Governors so that “… governors could provide direct input on National Guard issues to the executive branch.”

Month’s later, it’s creation was mandated by Congress, with no specific timeline to do so, via The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008. This was a bill first introduced by Ike Skelton in the House Jan 2008, and sailed thru both chambers with almost unanimous bi-partistan support. It was signed into law Jan 28th, 2008 by then President Bush, and became Public Law No: 110-181.

Buried in the 602 pg bill (pg 498) was Section 1822 – aka the mandate:

SEC. 1822. COUNCIL OF GOVERNORS.
The President shall establish a bipartisan Council of Governors to advise the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and the White House Homeland Security Council on matters related to the National Guard and civil support missions.

President Bush never created the Council, and neither had President Obama… until yesterday, that is. The question is, did Obama create this council for it’s original purpose? From what I’ve put together so far, it’s not looking that way. Keep reading.

Yes, keep reading this excellent work of citizen journalism…



6. But really? Is this not just paranoid conspiracy theory? Back on March 20, 2009, I attempted to answer that question by exploring the question of whom Barack Obama and his inner circle really are, by the evidence one may see, and what people with their ideology have so infamously done in the recent past.

That article is “Our Next ‘Generated Crisis’ — by the Soros/Obama/Pelosi Insurrection?” (and I see the subject was beaten over and over again from different angles, like “The Movie Monster that Wouldn’t Die”). To keep this present article short and crisp, no excerpt is offered, just the link and re-offer of it.

Note: I see this article in my now less active blog, Investigating Obama is triggering malware alerts at present (surprise?) but I have seen no problems after repeat visits and views and doubt a reader would, either. Please let me know at SerfsUp@GulagBound.com, if you do.

Last year’s dictadura moves of fellow client of Billy Ayers, Hugo Chavez, underscore the issue. See more about that in Gulag Bound for a refresher.

We, the awake and aware have had to do a great deal of unlearning and relearning in the last few years. Let us not stop learning now, as the threats to our Popular Sovereignty and constitutional republic increase.

And let all who have sworn an oath to uphold and protect The Constitution for the United States of America, and have thus been entrusted with power do so, not go back on their word — to their own peril. I leave it to you, to envision how such events would play out.

- Arlen Williams; contributors: Terresa Monroe-Hamilton, Tallulah Starr, Hanen

-  G  u  l  a  g  -  B  o  u  n  d  -

A reward for those who have followed the entire exercise and read the attached articles, don’t forget to turn up the volume:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/iYVo8Q2JBiQ?version=3" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/iYVo8Q2JBiQ?version=3</a>





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Here's another article speculating that its possible that forces opposed the elites purposely set off two underground nuclear explosions in Colorado and Virginia to let the PTB know in no uncertain terms that they are opposed to their evil plans for a NWO.  If you can believe Benjamin Fulford (and that's a big if) there's and interview circulating on the web with him making this claim.  I listened to it and a lot of what he says makes sense.  According to him, in the very near future the evil elites will be arrested and stripped of their power.  Glory days are just around the corner  Yeah right!

http://www.naturalmedicine.com/blogs/wondering/2011/09/20/were-norad-and-shadow-govt-bases-the-nukequake-targets/

by Zen Gardner

While just the idea that earthquakes could be attacks on underground bases by nukes and/or HAARP type earthquake-prompting technologies, questions surrounding the Virginia earthquake event keep surfacing, including a massive sinkhole that appeared in the vicinity following the quake.

Even more intriguing is the fact that the only two admitted military underground base facilities in the US, besides some “storage” locations. are the NORAD facility in Colorado, and the Mount Weather underground base housing a back-up government in Virginia, nearby the US capital.

Yes, a back-up government, or so they said many years ago when it was first disclosed. Since then is hush hush, as usual.

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