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Philosophy & Religion / - * Five myths about Muslims in America
« on: February 03, 2012, 01:52:38 AM »
The surprising thing is, in the UK at least, that the majority of the population hasn't bought into this.

Good analysis.  But the majority of Americans aren't buying into it, either ~ and this should come as no surprise.

Hawwaz would enjoy your commentary.

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Sue's Place / - Sushi's Jokes, Quotes, Tips and Poetry Thread
« on: August 18, 2011, 07:20:00 PM »
Salaam!

   Here is a short (2 minute) "local news" clip from KREM-2 television in Spokane that you may find interesting ...

http://www.krem.com/video?id=128047573&sec=550262

-- hajj

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Philosophy & Religion / - * Five myths about Muslims in America
« on: August 07, 2011, 10:45:31 AM »
I will not understand why they cannot counter the lies, invective and hate being launched against them, in this PR battle, or wish to.

Some of us do.

A few websites, a few well spoken speakers just to counter Radio/Tv Zioganda is all it would take.

We have websites all over.  And we have very articulate speakers, some of whom actually know Islam and are quite able to counter the propaganda.  That's why they don't get air time or press coverage.

And it would be a golden opportunity to tell the world WHO and what is really behind the evil in the world.

When most people discover who is promoting oppression, they join the oppressors, knowingly or otherwise.  Muslims don't fight The Fire, we turn away from it.

Suppose I was going around telling everyone that Walt Disney is a dangerous scumbag with nothing good to his name.  Would you really want to know those who blindly believed me without attempting to see for themselves?  Are you of those who think that people should simply accept whatever you say, without thinking about it any further?

The zionists bought The Fire three thousand years ago.  They own it, it owns them.  They can have it, we're not interested.

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Interesting article ...

A neighbor brought me a copy of this Southern Poverty Law Center Intelligence Report issue a few days ago.  I went to the SPLC website and subscribed (it's free, I think).  Then the Norway Crusader pulled his little stunt.

Interesting times we live in, yes?

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WRS has always had bad pr skills in just stating what is.

I've been stating just what it is all along.  You people think it's some kind of fantasy of mine.  Now you're watching it happen.

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''It's a much longer game plan that's being played out here'', WRS said, so in other words, they want it ALL... Typical!

"They" have it all ~ have had it all, all along.  Not the Jews.  Yes, the "interest" aspect is their interest.  Yes, they "want it all."  But just as they think they're about to get it all, that "all" is all but disappearing ~ they'll be left with what they have coming, or more accurately, they'll be stuck with what they have coming.  The play is not about the Jews, it's about the old-world muslims, or more accurately, the corruption that brought down the old Arab muslim empire that's masquerading as muslim.  The Jews have been setting up for three thousand years to eliminate Islam, and now it's starting to look like they won't be able to do that as completely as they want ~ and they'll have to live with that, and it's going to be hell for them.

And there's a bigger plan at work, that's been running a lot longer ~ the three-thousand-year plan of Zion has been playing into the larger plan all along.  They've outsmarted themselves.

Here in North America, we're not on the stage or on the main floor ~ where the action is about to take place.  We're in the balcony and in the boxes, good positions from which to watch the show.  So keep watching ~ Act II is about to start.  We probably won't be around to see the end of it, but we'll read about it later in our history books ~ or some of us will.

It's quite a show.

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...To Kill Islamic Banking

The globalist banksters want Muslims to borrow from their (the globalist’s) banks and pay interest at rates their central banks decide:  they do not want them to borrow from Islamic banks and not pay any interest.

That's not what's happening.  Were it so, there would be no "Islamic banking" windows at their banks, and there are.  They don't have any problem with interest-free banking, they have a problem with the terminally-collapsed millennial muslim world escaping the control of the traditional oligarchic plutocracies.  It's a much longer game plan that's being played out here.

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Sue's Place / - Sushi's Jokes, Quotes, Tips and Poetry Thread
« on: July 03, 2011, 06:09:56 PM »
How are you doing, Windy? Nice to see you on my joke thread.

It's what's here for me.

He, he... will you be paying for this by Visa?

No, I have a Visa card.  I'll be using American Express, I don't have one of those.

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Sue's Place / - Sushi's Jokes, Quotes, Tips and Poetry Thread
« on: July 03, 2011, 10:40:25 AM »


 ;D

I'll take six from Column A on the left, six from Column B on the top, and sixty-four from Column C.  Plain brown wrapping, please.

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Philosophy & Religion / - * Five myths about Muslims in America
« on: April 14, 2011, 11:19:21 PM »
Who are the children of his third wife? Where does she fit into all this? And they have certainly taken the 'dominion over the world' to mean global oppressive empire.

Genesis 25:   Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah; grandchildren Sheba, Dedan, Ephah, Epher, Hanoch, Abida and Elda'ah; great grandchildren Asshurim, Letushim and Leum'mim.  After Genesis 25, the rest of the Bible is about Isaac's and Jacob's descendants, Ishmael's descendants, and us.

It was necessary to gather the texts in order to be free of their corrupted "Islam."

Of course. I just hope you have them secured.


Quite.

Being a lover of history and archaeology I like reading the hadith in that context as well, just not as the 'binding law'. If only we could have preserved all the bulldozed areas in Arabia too ...

It's not completely paved over.  But what has been done had to happen.

With science I am not so learned, however I always had an appreciation for it. Good explanation.

I don't think we'll ever stop discovering things that we don't realize the Qur'an tells us about.

The Ummayads were glorious for a time and it's understandable the Arabs don't want to forget it. The power of reminiscing.

But they can't see past the Abbasi period ~ they only see the Umayyads through the Abbasid lens, and are too awe-struck to see anything before that.

One of the aims of 9/11 was to provoke a backlash against Muslim America ...

Well they definitely succeeded in that.


Christians and others formed ad hoc militias to guard our mosques around the clock; bookstores couldn't keep copies of the Qur'an in stock; shahadahs increased twenty-fold, four new sisters to every new brother; years later, the loudmouth opponents of Cordoba House were anathematized in the mainstream media ~ the "backlash" backfired on them.

These the same mujahideen who became the Taliban?

No.  The Taliban are the grass roots ~ they suffered some influence from the Wahhabi/Salafi and the Deobandi, but not much, and none from the West.

Not talking about 'assimilating' so much ...

One thing frustrating the colonialists is the new American "madhhab" that, for lack of a more precise label, we can call "Wannabe."  That's the demographic sector of Muslim America that has suffered ~ 9/11 made assimilation more difficult, although of course it has always been actually impossible.  Salman Rushdie may be an "honorary Englishman," but the English will never see him as a perfected specimen of homo sapiens sapiens like they are.

... but with the regular Quran burnings you hear about going on makes me feel a lot of people still haven't figured it all out and probably don't want to.

The Fire is not going to be extinguished, it will just lose population and become more contained.

We also have the crazies in government saying muslims aren't doing enough about the alleged extremism in mosques.

The only extremism in most of America's mosques is the "informers" sent in by the FBI.  The Wahhabi masajid are full of informers watching the nut cases.  The "crazies" in government are shills, they know what they're full of.

What about the few 9/11 hijackers that are seemingly still alive today and claim their passports were stolen?

Probably so.  Part of the psychological warfare ~ the actual identities of the Arab patsies on the planes will probably never be known outside the false flag archives of the Mossad.

Yeah everything's connected.

These people have been leading humanity around by the gonads for a very long time.

Yeah I've read a little about Harun ar-Rashid and his relationship with Charlemagne. I thought Baghdad was the center of learning, at least that's how its typically portrayed. Of course sometimes the good just isn't enough to outweigh the bad.

Some of the Abbasid rulers were "patrons of the arts."  It was camouflage, on the order of "your tax dollars at work" and "progress is our most important product."  It camouflaged the corruption of the deen they were orchestrating with their left hands.

Well even throwing them out now would be pointless because the traditions would still live on and somewhere down the road other things would be attributed to the Prophet again.

The valid traditions will live on because the faithful will be established in them.  The others will become the distinguishing characteristics of the hypocrites.  It's already happening.

Like I said it's when the hadith and fatwas become binding law and supersede the Qur'an that I find it a problem.

A fatwa is an explicit finding of law applicable to a specific fact situation, and is as "binding" on the parties as they agree to allow it to be.  In the end, people vote with their feet.  But as a judge, I draw considerable benefit from the jurisprudence of others entrusted with resolution of a dispute.  All reasoning is circular until it reaches the appropriate straight path leading through the focus of a problem.

So what are you pursuing?

Justice, peace, love.


Idols.  He is The Just, He is The Peace, He is The Loving, and nothing made is a likeness of Him.  What we call "justice, peace, and love" are intellectual abstractions of our own imaginations, and invariably surrealistic and a mirage.  Justice is Mercy; peace is patient struggle, paradise is at the feet of mothers and in the shadow of the sword; love is inescapable and diamond hard.  Pursue ma'rifa billah and all await you; otherwise they remain chimerical, in another world.  Call "Ya 'Aleem!  Ya Jabbar!  Ya Haqq!" ~ and of Knowledge we are given but little.

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Philosophy & Religion / - * Five myths about Muslims in America
« on: April 13, 2011, 11:12:22 PM »
Looks similar to the plans for 'greater Israel'.

Precisely.  The zionists' false claim to the entire legacy of Abraham includes the Kingdom of David (which is Israel's actual inheritance, although not exclusive and perpetually conditional), the Empire of Solomon (the entire Promised Land in the map, which is the unconditional inheritance of all of the children of Abraham ~ Ishmael's children, Isaac's children, and the children of the Abraham's third wife Keturah), and "dominion over the nations," which is the entire world, but which is misconstrued to mean suzerain power but does not mean that at all.

Impressive.

Anything that would bring an ass carrying books to its knees is impressive.  It was necessary to gather the texts in order to be free of reliance on Arab colonialists and their corrupted "Islam."

From your own personal library or are they at the mosque for all to browse through?

My office, shelves A3, B2-3, C1-3 ~ I didn't include anything from the bookshelves in our musalla (D 1-7, E 1-7) or in our library (F 1-7 through I 1-7), or our Turkish collections (J, K) from the Risal-e-Nur and others.  Suitable for a small herd of asses, but also a hell of a lot of information.  Islam is an applied science, not an academic theory, but any practitioner of an applied science benefits from knowing how previous applications failed or reached only limited success for a few moments of history.

I've never heard the Jupiter theory but have heard the Messenger one.  The pulsar sounds much more appropriate.

The words of the Ayats describe pulsars by their perceivable distinguishing characteristics setting them apart from other stars, and those specific characteristics are the only description beyond "star."  Nothing else (that we have discovered) exactly matches the precise identification of pulsars by the Ayats without some kind of mystical "interpretation."

ALLAH knew ~ planned, wrote ~ that we would discover those characteristics before we accidentally discovered the other characteristic of neutron stars, that they are a gravity well that sucks in even light ~ but would not have lived to tell about it.  By describing what we would perceive from a safe distance, He gave us the opportunity to discover the gravitational death-traps before we flew out to get sucked into them.  Had He mentioned the gravity well characteristic, some clowns would undoubtedly have gone out to check, in hopes of "disproving" the Qur'an ...

You appear to have a dim view of the Abbasids but are they really to blame for these problems entirely? I hear some good things about them (mainly Baghdad) but mostly negative things (the laws and such).

No, an analytical view.  ALLAH is their Judge, not me, I merely note their effect on the history of the Arab muslims and later generations of the terminally-collapsed millennial muslim world.  We need to avoid the mistakes of the Arabs even more than they didn't avoid the mistakes of the Hebrews.

I have found no plausible motive for forging a hadith that says

"There will be prophecy for as long as ALLAH wills, and then it will be taken up; *then* there will be succession after the manner of prophecy for as long as ALLAH wills, and then it will be taken up; *then* there will be a proud kingdom, *then* there will be a tyrannical kingdom.  **Then** there will be succession after the manner of prophecy."

"*then*" is the particle "fa" which indicates an immediately following thing with no lapse of time between the two successive events; "**Then**" is the particle "sa" which indicates a thing that follows after a lapse of time between the end of the foregoing event and the beginning of the succeeding event.  The Abbasid dynasty would not have preserved the hadith had they believed that it referred to themselves, and it is fairly well-established that the Umayyad kingdom was triumphalist and that the Abbasid dynasty was tyrannical.  Those two ~ the Umayyad and the Abbasid ~ are the real origins of "Sunni Islam" as we see it today in the eastern hemisphere, and as we've seen the Arabs spend billions of dollars to try to colonize Muslim America with it.

From what I've read bin Laden was a CIA agent (Tim Osman) and died sometime in 2001 (very likely).

bin Laden was deployed by someone in Arabia, we think in the Nefud, who we haven't been able to identify.  One of the aims of 9/11 was to provoke a backlash against Muslim America, which the Saudis have been unable to control or bring under the yoke of the so-called 'ulemaa.

All of the mujahideen who drove the Soviets out of Afghanistan were working for the CIA, Israel, France, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia.  See, e.g., Unholy Wars by John Cooley (Pluto Press, London, 1999, ISBN 0 7453 1918 1), An Alliance Against Babylon, also by John Cooley (Pluto Press, London and Ann Arbor, 2005, ISBN 0 7453 2282 4), and Devil's Game, by Robert Dreyfuss (Henry Holt, NY, 2005, ISBN 0-8050-7652-2).  (Office shelf C4)

Okay, but what about all the other imams in the US who skirt the issue?  Are we condemned to always bear the weight of 9/11 over our heads until the end?  Every new war started now goes back to it, and all the new hatred.

We're not trying to "assimilate" to American society, we don't live in the mainstream media.  Moreover, "the issue" for most Americans today regarding 9/11 is "Why did the Israeli intelligence services shepherd the 9/11 hijackers from Kuala Lumpur all the way to the airport and onto the planes?  Who placed the explosives in WTC 1, 2 and 7 that brought them down in a controlled demolition rather than having them "dismantled" as ordered by the Port Authority of New York in the early Nineties?  Why was every FBI field investigation into "possible terrorist pilot training" terminated by the central offices of the FBI in Washington DC?  Who directed the scheduling of "training exercises" to prepare for exactly what happened on 9/11, that tied up all military aircraft on the eastern seaboard except two?  Who sent the Odigo messages warning Israelis to get away from the Towers two hours before the first plane left the ground?  and Why were hundreds of Jewish Americans killed in the Towers while 4000 Israelis were reported "missing" and never heard about again?"  There's nothing "over our heads" about 9/11.

That is, those questions among other "curiosities" about 9/11 (nanothermite, destruction of forensic evidence, stock market sale, etc.), and later "Where did the money go" that plunged America into economic turmoil, "Who set the fires in North Africa and the Middle East," and a number of other "questions" that are herding the American people into a "peaceful" but premature "revolution" planned sixty years ago (I was part of that planning) and led by a "revolutionary vanguard" that's been working for (and against) the FBI ever since J. Edgar Hoover took office, provided the majority of Trotsky's "Central Committee" of the Fourth International "Socialist Workers' Party" that ran the Vietnam Moratorium Day coalition, and set up the COINTELPRO to run revolutionary parties in the United States, one of which sparked the killing of four Kent State students in May 1970.

Capisce?

I'll take what I can get if I can't find the strangers.

You were sounding as if you'd stopped looking.

I was trying to ask, was Baghdad the only good thing about the Abbasid regime.

With the possible exception of Harun ar-Rashid ~ who provided the silver bullion for Charlemagne's European Papal Empire, see Charlemagne, Muhammad, and the Arab Roots of Capitalism by Gene Heck (Berlin: Walter de Gruyter, 2006, ISBN 3-11-019229-2)(Office shelf A3) ~ Baghdad was the worst thing about the Abbasid regime.  See When Baghdad Ruled The Muslim World by Hugh Kennedy (Da Capo Press, Perseus Books Group, Cambridge, 2004, ISBN 0-306-81435-8)(Office shelf C4).

The only good thing about the Abbasid regime was as Rasulullah said:  "ALLAH will preserve this religion by means of evil men."  They preserved the hadith collections by making them into coercive law, an utterly evil deed that ALLAH turned into a good thing.

But "throw out the hadith and the mahdahib"?  No way.  The enemies of humanity were waiting for Jesus and corrupted the Message that he brought, while killing every one of his uncorrupted faithful that they could catch for the next six centuries, and they were waiting for Muhammad and did everything they could to subvert those he left behind, for the next fifteen centuries, the last four of which they've spent in America setting up to corrupt the third "sending down" (without a prophet who would leave a power vacuum when he was gone), that they've known since the time of Noah to expect here.

Every effort to frustrate ALLAH's Plan just advances it.  That's why watching all these things happening is not "frightening," it's all just additional confirmation of the Truth of His Word.

"Surely the Hour is near; I all but conceal it ~ to repay every creature by means of what it pursues."

So what are you pursuing?

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Philosophy & Religion / - * Five myths about Muslims in America
« on: April 12, 2011, 09:28:15 PM »
Sigh, I wrote a reply but when I went to post it didn't think I was logged in and deleted everything. I've tried to write what I wrote before.

I usually compose replies in a text editor, then copy and paste them to the posting window.  Then I also save the raw text from the text editor, along with a time stamp and a link, to a file that accumulates what I write on the Web.  I got tired of losing my work a long time ago.

The Qur'an tells us to avoid wine and prohibits eating swine unless you're at the point of starvation.  A muslim who drinks wine, or eats pork other than in extremity, has taken himself out of the Covenant community, the Ummah (roughly "nation") and his jama'ah (roughly "congregation").

I should have made it clear that we do not consider this "apostasy," but demanding of caution in dealing with someone who is headed into trouble on his own initiative.

We are not responsible for him as we are for any muslim man, woman, or child who is keeping his/her Covenant of Islam.

Should be "We are not as responsible for him as we are for" those staying more steadfastly on the path.  The weaknesses in his practice are duly noted as potential dangers to him, to the community, and to the probity of his counsel.  People lacking understanding often tend to go overboard in this, to their own detriment.

The false messiah is a fictional figure like a character in a play, "created" by combining the roles of the Messiah and the Messenger of the Covenant.

I always thought Revelations from the Bible sounded much more like a game plan than any real advice or help.  It's sad to see it unfolding before us.


No, it's fascinating.  The sheer majesty of His Plan, the utter Justice merged with the profound Mercy of it, the incredible convergence of so many completely divergent paths, the stately progression of inevitable events of immense gravity, the symphony of cacophony resolving into irresistible clear, harmonious, sublime truth ~ it's captivating, awakening, beyond predication or passion, and the very essence of perfection.  And there is no final curtain, every "grand finale" is merely the opening of a next act.

Any purported prophecy of a then-future event must be considered in the light of whether it is likely that the event could be deliberately manufactured by calculated human agency.  The "Book of Revelation" does, indeed, include a game plan.  However, it also contains actual prophecies of future events, most of which have already happened.  Analysis is not appropriate for a forum such as this, or for a "correspondence course" on the sciences.  See Muqatta'at:  Islam and the End of the World for a 1995 overview that is mostly sound, but after sixteen years of further research and events, is in need of some minor revision and some additions into a new edition.

No, circumcision comes from Adam.  It is also the Sign of the first Covenant given to Abraham, for a Way by which we could save ourselves from the dangers of our own human nature.

Where do you read that it comes from Adam?  If God forgave him why did he punish himself like that?


You're perfectly welcome to come here and search nine (English-Arabic) volumes and one (Arabic) volume of Sahih Bukhari, four (English) volumes and one (Arabic) volume of Sahih Muslim, four (Arabic) volumes of the Jami' as-Sahih, two (Arabic) editions and one (English) volume of the Muwatta' of Imam Malik, two (English-Arabic) volumes of the Sunan of Ibn Majah, four (English-Arabic) volumes of the Mishkat al-Masabih, eight (Arabic-Farsi) volumes of the two Kafi collections, two (Arabic) editions of the Tafsir al-Imam al-Jalalain, nine (Arabic) volumes of two sets of Fiqh-as-Sunnah, four (Arabic) volumes of the Ihya 'Ulum-id-Deen of Imam Ghazali, two (English-Arabic) and one (English) volume of the Riyadh as-Saliheen of Imam an-Nawawi, and another thirty bookshelf-feet of reference volumes of comparable or superior provenance (probably enough to bring a pack mule to its knees), and find it.  I did, but I'm not going to go looking for chapter and verse, I know the history.

He wasn't punishing "himself," he had vowed to punish his flesh, saying "By God, I will cut you."  And he had good reason.

Oh, we're not "required" to sift through anything ~ the Qur'an is sufficient, or more precisely, whatever is clear to you of the Qur'an is sufficient for you.

Unfortunately I find many saying the hadith IS needed because the Qur'an is not fully detailed and one cannot understand it without the hadith.


The Qur'an says otherwise, and contrary to the arrogations of privilege by the "experts," it is not necessary for someone to know the details of the Battle of Badr, or the way Solomon groomed his horses, in order to "Follow what is clear to you, and what is not clear to you, leave to those for whom it is clear."  You might note that in all the English "translations" of the Qur'an that are published today, only one was translated by someone sufficiently familiar with horses to realize that the Ayat mentioning Solomon's horses speaks of grooming them, not "slashing" or "lovingly stroking" them.

It's the NEED part that bothers me.  What about those muslim communities that were far away from the 'hadith HQ' like the Tartars and Cham people?  Are they not proper muslims?  That is what I want to ask the scholars.

You would get an answer comparable to the centuries-old sagacious "interpretation" ("tafseer") that the "spinning, piercing star" of Surah 86 is "Jupiter," rather than a pulsar as we now know:  a collapsed, spinning star emitting extremely powerful piercing streams of subatomic particles and radio energy that, perceived from our planet, appear as a regular "beat" with a fixed rhythm, exactly as described in the Ayats.  When someone possesses coercive power over others that arises from his presumed "knowledge" that the others do not possess (i.e., like today's so-called 'ulemaa'), then those who do not actually possess knowledge from ALLAH cannot admit that, but must come up with an answer, right or wrong, to any question posed to them.  Thus the modern scholar Muhammad 'Ali states, authoritatively, that the "star" of Surah 86 is the Messenger, and not a star at all.

Sorry not the Ridda wars.  I meant the numerous rebellions and civil strife during and following Ali's reign as caliph.  What did Ali feel that 'Islam was going in the wrong direction' as Shia and other muslims claim?  Was it the formation of the empire and it's laws?  Was this the reason the Cordoba caliphate separated from the Abbasids or was that simply for power?  I find it interesting Ali is barely mentioned in Bukhari's volumes.

Neither is Imam Abu Hanifa, nor any of the so-called Khawarij who transmitted hadith.  By the time the compilations were written ~ during the Abbasid Tyranny ~ the former ummah had become so factionalized and divided against itself that the actual knowledge included in the hadith was scattered among so many mutually-exclusive parties that there were twenty-seven different "schools" of thought (of which four survived as madhahib) among the sunni faction, in addition to the shi'a factions.  We've been gathering the pieces here for forty years, and we still have a long way to go.  But even with what we've gathered, it's easy to see what "doesn't fit."

I like to believe I am good at feeling vibes in people, and many times I have been accurate.  I don't get good vibes from some prominent Imams.  Doesn't mean I totally denounce them, I just exercise caution.  My issue with Imam Rauf has to do with him going along with the 'official story' of 911 that some extremists in caves did it, when anyone with half a brain will realize it was cooked up long, long before, and not by muslims.  I know he can't come out now and say the truth without endangering his family but then why try to expand the existing mosque when it was foreseeable that Team Zion would take advantage of it and turn it into controversy?

Plan Bojinka, discovered by western intelligence in 1994, involved simultaneous hijackings.  It was devised by muslims related to or associated with bin Laden.  This is the plan that evolved into the hijacking of four airliners on 9/11/2001.  However, other agendas were "piggy-backed" onto the evolving plan, among them an agenda to fixate the attention of Americans on the catastrophic treachery of 9/11 ~ and locking them into a hunt for "the real perpetrators" that could lead only to blind alleys, wild goose chases, and no effect beyond fostering revolutions in America and abroad to be led by revolutionary cadres already in league with the existing power elites.  The principle is simple:  when you see that a peoples' revolution against you is inevitable, stage your own pre-emptive revolution first, convincing the people that they're doing it themselves.  The aim is "Meet the new Boss, same as the old Boss but with tighter shackles for the wage slaves."  Plan Bojinka was augmented ~ not by muslims ~ to advance this agenda and others.  Muslim extremists provided the goat, others cooked it into a million tons of hamburger.

In short, Imam 'Abdur-Ra'uf is wise to avoid the cacophony and focus on the immediate attack on Cordoba House and muslims, which he knew full well was organized and financed by zionists and Israeli partisans for the purpose of further demonizing Islam and muslims, but again wisely, avoided this aspect of the pre-election controversy.

Our mosque is pretty good in that at least there's no separate entrance for men and women and both pray in the same room, though the women aren't encouraged to come anyways because of hadith saying to pray at home, even though Qur'an asks all to come to Jumu'ah.  At least our khutbas are in English too.  There's still tensions at times though.  I understand it's hard to change some things from the ways back home but why make the mosques double as cultural centers?

In other words, you haven't yet found any mosques "that haven't been 'colonized' somewhat with ideas from back home."  A lot of indigenous American muslims are still in that stage of their development.  What you need to find is those indigenous American muslims that the muslims of the terminally-collapsed millennial muslim world will never tell you about because Islam is a complete stranger to those who blindly follow in their forefathers' footsteps.

I like to think we are off the board.

We are the object of their game.

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Philosophy & Religion / - * Five myths about Muslims in America
« on: April 12, 2011, 02:22:13 AM »
Bold italic = Spahi's previous comment; Bold = WRS' previous comment; Italic = Spahi's current comment

I realize manmade laws are allowed

Not for muslims, they're not.


So I should just run stop signs and park in the roads? I don't understand you here.

How do you get to that "should" from a plain statement that muslims do not have authority to write laws?

People can agree on how they are going to do things together ~ it's called "contract."  An amir can give orders to those who have voluntarily promised to obey him (or his predecessor in office) ~ the promise is called "bai'ah," which is an Arabic word meaning "sale/purchase contract" or "bargain" ~ and those orders can include some "penalty" for disobedience.  But these are not "law" like the Laws applicable to muslims (and only muslims) in the Qur'an.  For example:

The Qur'an tells us to avoid wine and prohibits eating swine unless you're at the point of starvation.  A muslim who drinks wine, or eats pork other than in extremity, has taken himself out of the Covenant community, the Ummah (roughly "nation") and his jama'ah (roughly "congregation").  We are not responsible for him as we are for any muslim man, woman, or child who is keeping his/her Covenant of Islam.  Some "scholars" argue that in order to be a "real" muslim (i.e., a "real" member of the community), a male must be circumcised ~ but this is not the Law.  Making circumcision a qualification of citizenship is a "man-made law" for which muslims have no authority whatsoever.

But 'Umar, after the famine of 638 and the bubonic plague of 639, governed a community so weakened that he gave orders exempting everyone from zakat and taxation, and suspending cutting off the hand of the thief in appropriate cases because his government had not been able to provide adequate employment for everyone.  These orders were not "law," they were adjudications under God's Law.

Stop signs and parking lanes are more akin to 'Umar's orders ~ "We need to do things this way for a while."  Only under a tyranny do they become coercive "law" that must be "enforced" and made into a source of revenue for a "government" supposedly set up to serve the needs of the people.

Not "from" Christianity ~ the False Messiah was known to Noah and is described in the Torah.  But it is not Jesus, as the Lubavitcher rabbis purport to claim, but the false Mashiach of their Talmudic tradition, preached by pharisees who falsified the real Jesus for Rome as the price for their dominion over the goyim.

I know the Torah mentions a false messiah, but what I gather from you here is that it is not an actual person, and it has already occured.  Who is the one-eyed dajjal then?  The Qur'an never mentions him, but if it is so important then why did The God leave it out?

The false messiah is a fictional figure like a character in a play, "created" by combining the roles of the Messiah (Jesus) and the Messenger of the Covenant (Shiloh in the Old Testament).  Jesus called the Children of Israel (in Jerusalem) to fulfill the Law ~ their Covenant ~ by announcing the Good News that the Messenger of the Covenant would be coming next, with a universal and eternal Law for all humanity, which for the Children of Israel would replace the Mosaic Law.  When the Messenger came, Israelites ~ with over a thousand years of experience ~ would participate in the administration of the Millennial Kingdom, after leading the nations to it.  Rather than await the Messiah who would tell them that it was time to spread out to the nations and announce the coming of the Kingdom, and then await the Messenger to establish that Kingdom, they mixed the two roles into a figure they call "Mashiach" ~ the false messiah ~ for whom they are still waiting.  There's more to their game plan, including someone who will be made to appear to be Jesus, at which point "144,000" will "miraculously" convert to Christianity and assert dominion over the planet "In Jesus' Name" just as today's Christians have been conditioned to expect.  The technology for this charade is ready, but the turmoil preceding this "miracle" isn't quite up to the required level ... yet.

That is insufficiently cautious and at the same time too extreme ... some hadith merely preserve valid traditions and prophecies from the Israeli branch of the family of Abraham.

Well that explains where circumcision comes from, but why wasn't that law considered abrogated when it's not mentioned in the Qur'an? The hadith of the stoning that I am aware of states the punishment was in the Qur'an but the pages were eaten by a goat.

No, circumcision comes from Adam.  It is also the Sign of the Covenant of Abraham ~ the first Covenant given to Abraham, for a Way by which we could restore ourselves to our original human nature ~ a nature shown to the world by Jesus ~ and save ourselves from the dangers of our own human nature.  The Arabic word "salama" ~ from which come the words "Islam" and "Salaam" ~ means "to restore a thing to its original condition."

[Factoid:  The Arabic word "silm" (from the same s-l-m root) means "a religion of peace."  Double the central "L" by making a small mark above it, and the word "sullam" means "ladder."  In Hebrew and Aramaic, the "s" is instead an "sh," but the grammar and vocabulary are identical.  See also the "Jacob's Ladder" story in the Old Testament.]

Goats only eat what ALLAH causes them to eat.  The decision to include only Ayats that were found in two or more identical but unconnected inscriptions ~ written on parchment, wood, stone, bone, or whatever ~ was unanimously agreed by all of the muslims present when Abu Bakr ordered the Qur'an compiled into a single reference volume. "My community will not agree on error" is the benchmark ~ that decision is the only recorded instance of a genuine Ijma' that I have found in forty years of study.  If there was such a verse, it was abrogated ~ and ALLAH may have used a goat to make certain of that.

There is no "system" per se, and has not been since the death of 'Ali radi ALLAHU anhu.  Since then, the "system" has been nothing more than continuous replacement of one plutocratic oligarchy after another, all of which have ruled by expedience and false law.

By the system I mean the whole model of Chinese whispers that have been compiled in volumes. Why would God expect us to puzzle through hearsay to discern some snippets of truth?  Why is the Qur'an not sufficient when God says it is?

Oh, we're not "required" to sift through anything ~ the Qur'an is sufficient, or more precisely, whatever is clear to you of the Qur'an is sufficient for you.  All such paths eventually lead to Sweetwater.  The same is true of the Bible ~ what is clear to you is sufficient for you, and all such paths lead eventually to Sweetwater.  Of course, both the Bible and the Qur'an also describe the paths that lead to The Fire, and some people choose those paths instead.  The hitch is that in the Bible, most of those paths that lead to The Fire are represented as paths that lead to the ultimate global triumph of Zion over the goyim, and without the whole truth (which Jesus said he could not tell the apostles and disciples), it's not easy to distinguish those paths from the path that leads to the Garden ~ the one and only path for the Children of Israel, Jesus as he really was, not as the Roman Church made him out to be.

The "men's work" of which you speak was nothing more than compiling volumes of purported reports extant during the time of the Abbasid Tyranny. ... The Bible is essentially the same thing ~ a true depiction of all of human history (with some parts deliberately hidden in translations), including the corruption of history and Law by the ambitious pharisees, scribes, lawyers and priests of later Israel.

Was this the real reason of the Ridda Wars after the Prophet's death? What little I've read about them do not clearly state why they occurred.

No.  Some bedouin tribal chiefs collected Zakat from their people but did not send the excess, over local distribution needs, to Madinah, claiming that it was not part of the religion but had been "tribute" paid to Muhammad.  In other words, they said "Islam is this, not that" and tried to change the religion by which they administered the affairs of their people.  Abu Bakr was the first person to realize that this fundamental corruption of the Law had to be utterly eradicated, and when no one agreed, he went for the door and his sword to carry the fight by himself ~ at which point everyone else realized he was right, and joined him.  Those were the Ridda Wars.  The tribal chiefs did not "change their religion" ~ they did not, in other words, apostacize, they continued to claim Islam as their religion; they changed "the" religion ~ or tried to ~ after God had said, in so many words, "This day have I completed My Favor on you and have written on you al-Islam," establishing the religious Law as it existed at that moment as finalized, eternal, universal, and unchangeable.

Follow the path that leads to water (the shari'ah) until you reach the fountain of sweet water, and you will be better able to discern the bitter from the sweet.  Some of what appears sweet to you now is actually poison; and some that appears bitter is actually sweet.  The tampering of the priests is apparent when ALLAH turns on the lights for you.

I haven't stopped in my path, I know it's a continuous journey till one finds the sweet water.  I feel I am criticizing the tampering of the priests, not muslims themselves.

This suggests that you have tasted the sweet.  Keep going and you'll be swimming in it.  That's one function of hadith ~ to show you how to swim.  It's not "shari'ah," it's "minhaj" ~ the way of ascent.  The shari'ah path becomes a boat ~ the minhaj paths become wings.

No one associated with an apostolic succession from Muhammad has "opposed hadith."  What has been opposed is over-reliance on uncertain evidence lacking evidentiary probity, and failure to see the actual relevance of the hadith to the Deen.

Same difference.  Too much reliance on unproven evidence, but that's what we hear in the mosque.

The Qur'an is solid gold ~ the hadith is colloidal silver.

Ignore the celebrities and today's acclaimed "luminaries" and the prominent controversies ~

Well that's the trick isn't it.  Many of these luminaries are in our Ummuah.

They're with our ummah because their ummah vanished centuries ago, leaving tiny bits of light that no one could see.  Those of them who are in our ummah are not particularly visible and are certainly not prominent ~ at least not yet.

The Pharisees and Sanhedrin invented laws alongside God's that replaced or altered them and felt they were of higher status than everyone else.  Doesn't this sound a lot like the muftis that tell the muslims Valentine's Day and Christmas are forbidden for one to even acknowledge their existence?  I don't believe Prophet Isa is the son of God, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying the Christmas atmosphere.

The Christmas and Easter hysteria saddens me, to see so many so deceived.

And the Arab muslims followed them, step by step, into the Fire.  That's why they're spending billions to colonize Muslim America ~ where they, and the zionists, have always known that ALLAH would send down His Mercy for the third time.

I see your point about America, but how many mosques can you find here that haven't been 'colonized' somewhat with ideas from back home?

How many have you found?

I've read your site, months ago. That is a famous hadith of course which certainly has come true. What of the one where Umar stated we have the Qur'an and that is enough for us?

2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 16, 17, 19, 23, 25, 29, 31, 36, 37, 41, 43, 47, 49, 53, 59, 61, 64, 67, 71, 73, 75, 79 ... think about it.

Fair enough about [Qaddafi's] character, but that didn't justify the latest crusader invasion, which surely the imams could have predicted would happen?  I don't believe that he has killed thousands at any rate.  With ancient prophecies, I can only shrug.

All we see are the pawns and a few bishops ~ the queens and the kings aren't even on the board, and we don't see the players.  I've seen no signs of any white knights, but it couldn't be happening without a rook or two in the shadows.  Wait for the end-game, it's still too early in the match to see how the dunes are actually shifting.

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Philosophy & Religion / - Re: * Five myths about Muslims in America
« on: April 11, 2011, 12:04:14 AM »
So, how do you feel about the latest accusations against Colonel Gadhafi regarding the supposed mass killings in Libya of which there is no clear proof?

Completely in character with what we know, directly from Libyan muslims in America, about the Colonel; completely credible; and not within my jurisdiction to judge.  How do I "feel" about it?  Manifest fulfillment of explicit, unambiguous, clear, ancient prophecy strengthens my faith.  How would you feel about that?

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Philosophy & Religion / - * Five myths about Muslims in America
« on: April 10, 2011, 11:51:33 PM »
I realize manmade laws are allowed

Not for muslims, they're not.

Dajjal was obviously incorporated from Christianity and today we live in these self-fulfilled prophecies.

Not "from" Christianity ~ the False Messiah was known to Noah and is described in the Torah.  But it is not Jesus, as the Lubavitcher rabbis purport to claim, but the false Mashiach of their Talmudic tradition, preached by pharisees who falsified the real Jesus for Rome as the price for their dominion over the goyim.

I have no problem accepting the hadith that do not contradict Qur'an but those that add to it, or abrogate verses (stoning for adultery, death for apostasy, forbidding foods not forbidden in Quran, being derogatory to women, etc) I DO have a problem with and will not follow.

That is insufficiently cautious and at the same time too extreme.  See Fawariq:  The Distinctive Character of Tradition.  Keep in mind that Rasulullah sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam applied the existing Law that had been sent down before ~ the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel ~ until its provisions had been abrogated and replaced with better Law for all humanity, while the Hebrew/Aramaic Law was only for the Children of Israel.  Some hadith ~ for example regarding stoning ~ are from the period before the corresponding Ayats abrogating the Torah were sent down.  Similarly, some hadith merely preserve valid traditions and prophecies from the Israeli branch of the family of Abraham.

The system is flawed and corrupted.

There is no "system" per se, and has not been since the death of 'Ali radi ALLAHU anhu.  Since then, the "system" has been nothing more than continuous replacement of one plutocratic oligarchy after another, all of which have ruled by expedience and false law.

I will trust God's hadith (Qur'an) every time over men's work.

The "men's work" of which you speak was nothing more than compiling volumes of purported reports extant during the time of the Abbasid Tyranny.  They were preserved because they were used as "evidence" by Abbasid judges, appointed by the regime when the fourth- and fifth-generation apostolic successors refused to allow themselves to be used to "legitimize" the Abbasi regime (and were killed for their refusal).  These aggregations of extant reports, without regard to their authenticity, was their work.  The result is a comprehensive, undistorted picture of the first generation, and a picture of the corruptions of succeeding generations, both mixed together and made into false law by the Abbasid Tyranny.  The Bible is essentially the same thing ~ a true depiction of all of human history (with some parts deliberately hidden in translations), including the corruption of history and Law by the ambitious pharisees, scribes, lawyers and priests of later Israel.

Follow the path that leads to water (the shari'ah) until you reach the fountain of sweet water, and you will be better able to discern the bitter from the sweet.  Some of what appears sweet to you now is actually poison; and some that appears bitter is actually sweet.  The tampering of the priests is apparent when ALLAH turns on the lights for you.

Also keep in mind, there have been many who opposed hadith in the last thousand years.

No one associated with an apostolic succession from Muhammad has "opposed hadith."  What has been opposed is over-reliance on uncertain evidence lacking evidentiary probity, and failure to see the actual relevance of the hadith to the Deen.

Those who actually oppose hadith ~ including the Wahhabi, the Salafiyyah, and the followers of the false prophet Rashad Khalifa ~ throw out the baby with the bathwater and lose the living Mercy that ALLAH sent to humanity.

Rasulullah, speaking to his generation of muslims, said "I see darkness descending among your houses like rain."  Successive generations are still waiting for that darkness to fall.  They do not see into the past beyond the Abbasid imperial court and its power, opulence, and extravagance, which they dream of being restored by Imam Mahdi (Sunni; for Shi'a, the reappearance of the Twelfth Imam) the same way that Christians dream of the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire by Jesus and the zionists dream of the restoration of the empire of Solomon ~ and subsequent global dominion ~ by their false Mashiach.

I just want to be a muslim.

How does a muslim become a mu'min?  Practice, practice, practice.

Rasulullah said "Follow what is clear to you, and what is not clear to you, leave to those for whom it is clear."  Follow the clear path you are shown, by His Guidance, and it will lead you to what you seek.

"Save yourselves and your families from a Fire whose fuel is men and stones."

Ignore the celebrities and today's acclaimed "luminaries" and the prominent controversies ~

"He sends a rain from the sky; and as valleys wash to their destiny the flood bears a rising foam. And from what they smelt in the fire to forge adornment and wares, a froth of its kind:  that is how God coins the true and the vain. Then as for the scum, it passes uselessly; and as for what serves the people, it remains in the earth. That is how God strikes images."

~ and see by the Light of the Qur'an.  It illuminates every Straight Path and every Way of Ascent from the Sirat al-Mustaqeem to the Sirat al-'Azeezal-Hakeem.

Rasulullah said "ALLAH will preserve this deen by evil men."  The Qur'an tells us how to recognize them, too, beneath their cloaks of false humility or behind the puppets they elevate to positions of power that they then manipulate with sham divination and their version of The Lie ~ that "salvation" comes from those who have been "chosen" to impose it on you by force (that is, by them).

Islam is, quite definitely, about "power" ~ His Power.  ALLAH created us to exercise dominion over the creation, and the Qur'an spells out how to do that successfully.  This is why the zionists of Temple Israel ~ the historical successors of the Sanhedrin and the scribes and pharisees deposed by Solomon and condemned by Jesus ~ do not want anyone to know anything about Islam other than to avoid it like the black plague they paint it to be ~ they sold their souls for power over the gentiles, and don't want to lose that power as a result of the gentiles becoming wise to their deceptions.

And the Arab muslims followed them, step by step, into the Fire.  That's why they're spending billions to colonize Muslim America ~ where they, and the zionists, have always known that ALLAH would send down His Mercy for the third time.

Which you can find in the Bible when you read it in the Light of the Qur'an.  Many hadith are of this character, a few are quite explicit.

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Philosophy & Religion / - Re: * Five myths about Muslims in America
« on: April 09, 2011, 09:02:12 PM »
I believe we have a misunderstanding.

It appears that we have at least two.

I'm allowed to distrust any imam if I feel like it, but I'm not forcing anyone to accept the opinion.

Ra'uf did not start any controversy, and when the zionists did, he and his people stayed completely away from it for weeks.  When he finally did address it, he did so with a diplomatic finesse that no one could possibly turn into more controversy.  My post was primarily a response to your statement "It seems they begin by causing controversy ...," which is utterly false and a slander against the honor of those muslims.

Have you looked at the Park 51 architecture? It looks totally warped, and not in a good way.

Are you talking about the building architecture or the organizational architecture?  The last time I looked, there were no building architecture plans to look at.

But I assure you I am not shilling here. When I said controversy, I was referring to how the public viewed it, and yeah it's bullsh*t that it would cause such a fuss but it happened anyway.

Standard hasbara attack tactic.  Definitely not the muslims, except perhaps the crazies who have bought into the dialectical materialism of 'Ali Shari'ati, Abul 'Ala Maudoodi, Muhammad and Sayyid Qutb, the other muslim students of Jean-Paul Sartre, and Lenin-Ulianov.

Sceptic raging about stoning being a part of Islam is a lie, yes, which I don't understand why she would think such when she has a site discrediting the hadith that proscribed it in her signature. In the Qur'an everyone that threatens stoning happen to be rejectors of the message, and it remains a barbaric practice that is outside of Islam.

Adultery, apostasy, and abrogation ~ three things falsified by the "scholars" of the Abbasid Tyranny.  When someone mentions any of those three, or 'A'isha's age, or the Banu Qurayza, it's zionazi agitprop.  It's like a trademark or a signature.

As for the Tennesse mosque, yeah the community may be growing and they are allowed to, and it is stupid that the townsfolk think that a big mosque means the place is suddenly in danger of losing its identity, but from what I've heard about it the imam was asking for a mosque that is far larger than the muslim population.

"The townsfolk" don't think that, and the mosque/Islamic Center complex is appropriate to the anticipated needs of the muslim community for the next thirty to fifty years.  It's not a "monument" or a "megachurch," it's a community facility somewhat comparable to a Catholic church/sacristy/rectory/seminary/convent/school complex.  The people of the town had no objections to it.

Where I live, our mosques are relatively small, nothing fancy.  No swimming pools, no elevators, no minarets, and guess what, we have never had any problems, and none of that stuff is needed anyway in a house of worship.  We live in dark times, and it's probably better we don't make such ostentation of the houses of God in the west.

We're not monasteries, and we're not a "club" in need of a clubhouse.  But the masjid is much more than a simple "place of worship."  I agree that they are not palaces either, but the entire world is a masjid for us.  Most masajid in North America are "Islamic Center" facilities that have a space used only for salat and meetings of the jama'ah or majlis, which in some places double as a study hall for college and university students, a lodge for the brotherhood, a school for the children and a school for the adults, and so on.  The masjid is the center of the muslim community, it's not just and "only" a musalla.

I'm sorry and offended you feel I'm demonizing Muslims but I'm not.  I just don't trust every imam I hear, and that's something I'm entitled to.

That's not so.  A muslim trusts another muslim unless and until there is a definite reason to be suspicious.  This applies equally to an imam and to anyone who prays behind an imam.  There is no reason to mistrust Imam 'Abdur-Ra'uf, the outright lies of the Deniers are reason to trust him, not to mistrust him.  And most of what has appeared about him, personally, in the media, is false.  He is what he represents himself to be, and that is well-known, he's been a public figure for a long time.

This is not to say that everything he says or does is right (he's not always right), or that his fiqh is comprehensive and sound (it's not), but his integrity and sincerity are unquestionable ~ and those who impugn his honor with their unlawful suspicions will account for that before ALLAH.

In addition, a muslim does not disclose the faults of another muslim.  This is the defect in the common understanding of hadith as "law" ~ the probity of the reports rests on the faultless public reputations of muslims whose faults would have been concealed by their brothers both in and after their time.  This may be a reasonable standard for judging authenticity in a society where gossip and slander are common habits, but it is not a valid standard in a muslim society.

Finally, you should consider your comments about 'Abdur-Ra'uf, and the muslims in Tennessee, in the context of backbiting and slander.

The bottom line here is that muslims are demonized because we have the keys to success in this life and in the next, that the zionists falsely promise to deliver to the goyim some day, and that the Christians imagine that they have in Jesus ~ success in submission to a Jewish Caesar in this life, success in the hereafter after they die and are buried.  Whether we use those keys or not, we have them, and when people see muslims succeed, they come to get them so they can succeed in this life and, in some cases, in the next.  This is what the zionists fear ~ that others will learn the pathways of success and surpass them; and it is why the zionists must, at all costs, prevent people from giving any regard to the muslims.

Don't help them in their Denial.

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Philosophy & Religion / - Re: * Five myths about Muslims in America
« on: April 09, 2011, 06:44:57 PM »
Personally I'm a bit wary about this imam and the other that tried to build the big mosque in Tennessee. It seems they begin by causing controversy then mellow out a bit and talk about why we are justified in living in the US as if we have to give special reasons being here and others don't. He says good things here but I'm gonna keep watching.

Another load of horse hockey.

'Abdur-Ra'uf caused no controversy whatsoever.  Well-known for decades to all the religious and community leaders in lower Manhattan, he has had their support of the Cordoba House community center since before it was even an idea.  One group opposed the plans after the necessary building permits and zoning changes were approved by the secular authorities, and as the election approached, a group of zionists funded the witch in New York in raising a national ruckus to demonize muslims and Islam as a campaign issue.  As soon as the elections were over, it all evaporated ~ the American people weren't buying it.  All this is well-documented and available for reading on the Web, for those who do their own research and don't just drink the Kool-Aid.

In Tennessee, the muslim community has been there for decades, and has long since outgrown its small mosque.  Years ago they bought the land, acquired the necessary building permits and zoning changes, and started construction on a new mosque complex to accommodate a muslim population twenty times as large as it used to be, including a hefty percentage of indigenous American muslims along with a comparable percentage of born-in-Tennessee descendants of immigrant grandparents and great grandparents.  There had never been any "controversy" regarding those muslims until some people with no connection to Tennessee started agitating against the building of the "super-mosque."  And all this is well-documented and available for reading on the Web, for those who do their own research and don't just swallow the media crapola without even thinking twice.

It's far beyond disgusting to see this kind of crap on this forum.  It's either flat-out ignorant mindless babble or it's deliberate falsification and demonization propaganda, and it has no place in a forum called "Freedom Portal."  This is not "Free Republic," which is openly run by zionists, and it is not "Liberty Forum," which was secretly run by zionist dupes.

Where's NOLAJBS?  I think he would have dumped these shills ~ or at least deleted their war propaganda ~ at first sight.  What's next ~ dispatches from the Marxist Mujahideen Khalq, who fled Iran when the Shah was dumped, to join the war party in Washington DC?  Or maybe some "eyewitness testimony" from Afghanistan's former opium barons and warlords, driven out by the Taliban, who are now America's "allies" in Kabul?  (Which is all the "allies" have ~ one city, under martial law ~ and a thoroughly corrupt and despised puppet government.)

How about an alarming article about how most of the armed conflicts in the world today involve muslims, without any mention of the facts that (1) they're all wars and occupations in muslim-majority countries invaded by American oil interests; and (2) they virtually all involve Jewish or Christian aggressors, and usually both in a "Let's you and him fight" scenario, who have agitated for "intervention" with similarly outrageous distortions of reality like Skeptic and Spahi have written in this Thread.

So is Freedom Portal going to become another vehicle for Israeli hasbara agitprop aimed at discouraging people from even thinking about reading the Qur'an and learning the pre- and post-Messianic Biblical history that's been suppressed from Western information media and public education?

Read The Controversy of Zion for the history of the Tel Aviv crowd after Jesus, until the middle of the Twentieth Century, and then read Skeptic's posts, in context.

There's nothing "new" or "liberty-oriented" about this crap being spammed onto this forum.


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Philosophy & Religion / - * Five myths about Muslims in America
« on: April 09, 2011, 05:54:28 PM »
A group of Arab media companies could get together and publish translations of articles that more accurately reflect the content of their newspapers.

See Aramco World, published free by Saudi Arabia (Subscribe free here; and The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, published by former American diplomats and diplomatic personnel.

You won't find either in bookstores or newsstands, the publishing industry distributors refuse to distribute them.  That's a prerogative of a free press ...

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Philosophy & Religion / - * Five myths about Muslims in America
« on: April 09, 2011, 08:11:23 AM »
I once made an effort to find a video of an actual stoning, as you would think Mossad or CIA or some jew would find a way to capture and post it.  I found one video that was supposed to be of a stoning, but it was just noise and nothing.  Again the repeated lie, the modern cultural myth.

The Marxists who fled Afghanistan with the Soviets, but to America, not Russia, made some videos and passed them off as "from Afghanistan."  A lot of people bought into it.

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Philosophy & Religion / - * Five myths about Muslims in America
« on: April 09, 2011, 02:29:21 AM »
Islamic code prescribes that "the stone should not be so big as to kill the offender with one or two stones" and "nor should it be as small as pebbles."

That's complete crap.  There is no provision for "stoning" in any "Islamic code," stoning is strictly a Torah law resurrected by the Abbasid Tyranny over a thousand years ago, on the basis of one anecdotal statement falsely attributed to 'Umar.

Yes, there are some crazies in the terminally-collapsed millennial muslim world, some of them in positions of authority.  They don't hold a candle to the crazies we have running America's imperialist military adventures in muslim-majority countries.

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