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Title: Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Rudi Jan on September 10, 2012, 09:53:03 PM
Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance

Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:15AM GMT
source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/09/11/260918/obama-proclaims-911-anniv-patriot-day/ (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/09/11/260918/obama-proclaims-911-anniv-patriot-day/)

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US President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama observe a moment of silence to mark the eighth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks on September 11, 2009. (File photo)

US President Barack Obama has signed a proclamation, designating the anniversary of the September 11 attacks as Patriot Day and National Day of Service and Remembrance.

"As we remember the victims, their families, and the heroes who stood up during one of our country's darkest moments, I invite all Americans to reclaim that abiding spirit of compassion by serving their communities in the days and weeks ahead," Obama said in a proclamation released Monday by the White House.

In December 2001, the US Congress designated the anniversary of the attacks as Patriot Day. In April 2009, Congress requested the observance of the anniversary as an annually recognized National Day of Service and Remembrance.

Four attacks happened in the United States on September 11, 2001. Nearly 3,000 people died in the attacks.

In the worst attack, two planes, an American Airlines Flight 11 and a United Airlines Flight 175, crashed into the North and South towers of the World Trade Center complex in New York City. Both towers collapsed within two hours.

However, there are still many unanswered questions regarding the attacks, and many believe that the whole incident was an inside job, designed to justify subsequent US-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

LW - My stomach rolleth over. Will Obama tell us exactly what it is we should remember. The lies? The deceit? The jews and shabbos goys who did it?
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: laconas on September 11, 2012, 06:03:23 AM

Monumental bullshit for a big lie.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/newsmakers/9-11-memorial-offers-quiet-amid-new-york-chaos--designer-michael-arad-says.html
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on September 11, 2012, 07:41:11 AM
Will Obama tell us exactly what it is we should remember.

http://www.gunstuff.com/america-attacked.html (http://www.gunstuff.com/america-attacked.html)

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The jews and shabbos goys who did it?

It was radical Muslim extremists who attacked the United States on 9/11/01.

Every sentient human being knows this.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: EyeBelieve on September 11, 2012, 05:17:51 PM
Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance

Dangit, if we had our tough & savvy Obama back in 2001 them freakin' Arabs woulda never even tried them hijackings.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Rudi Jan on September 11, 2012, 06:46:46 PM
It was radical Muslim extremists who attacked the United States on 9/11/01.

Every sentient human being knows this.

And yet, no proof.

Sentient is one thing, sanity another.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: laconas on September 11, 2012, 07:30:24 PM
And yet, no proof.

Sentient is one thing, sanity another.

Never mind about Michelle and B going through the motions saying to themselves--do we have to go through this bullshit again? Even my local newspeople had an eyerolling unsure look on their face.

The Jews scaled back to get Obama elected. After all he's the anti-war Nobel Peace Prize winning anti-Israel candidate.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: OldTimes on September 11, 2012, 08:46:54 PM
http://www.gunstuff.com/america-attacked.html (http://www.gunstuff.com/america-attacked.html)

The last face on the victim photos is Mikey Rivero!  Did anyone else notice this?

Other faces seem vaguely familiar, mostly jewish, which is odd because only 1 jew died in 9/11, and I'm starting to even wonder if that...

This site is a joke or a honey-pot.  Coming from you probably the latter.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: jacob gold on September 12, 2012, 05:11:40 AM
Six months after 9/11 the average fat ass american had lost interest-  you say 9/11 and people think an area code. The next False Flag will be a nuke. Maybe Bruce (Hymie) Willis will make a 'Diehard four' about the WTC


Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Rudi Jan on September 12, 2012, 07:45:16 AM
This site is a joke or a honey-pot.  Coming from you probably the latter.

That's the thing... they are well funded to create websites all over the place containing all the BS stuff that others long ago debunked or that are just mere outright pro Israeli/jew propaganda organs. To knock these sites down is in itself a distraction. gelignite is all about distraction. We really should just take a poll and see whether to allow him to post his troll crap here any longer. The time is too short to entertain jew molls like him.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on September 12, 2012, 07:49:48 AM
...only 1 jew died in 9/11, and I'm starting to even wonder if that...

You're a stinking liar.

Scores (possibly hundreds) of Jews were killed on 9/11. It's been verified that dozens were killed in one company in the WTC alone, Cantor Fitzgerald. A while back, I posted name after name after name of those who were having Jewish services at synagogue.

Funny... if someone in the news commits a crime, and there's even a *hint* of a "Jewish" connection, you're all over it like stink on puke. When a 9/11 victim (for whom you claim to care) gets a Star of David on his/her headstone, you feign doubt that any Jews died in the attack.


Jackass.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on September 12, 2012, 07:57:23 AM
gelignite is all about distraction. We really should just take a poll and see whether to allow him to post his troll crap here any longer. The time is too short to entertain jew molls like him.

Do what you will. I've broken no forum guidelines. If people vote me off, then they do so out of 100% fear.

I'm sure there are plenty who would love a forum that is finally free of the last vestiges of even the most remote challenge to their assertions. That way, they can prepare to take their fight to the people.

What do your think, LW? Is that a sound strategy?

Your decision.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: OldTimes on September 12, 2012, 09:07:39 PM
You're a stinking liar.

Scores (possibly hundreds) of Jews were killed on 9/11. It's been verified that dozens were killed in one company in the WTC alone, Cantor Fitzgerald. A while back, I posted name after name after name of those who were having Jewish services at synagogue.

You just posted a link to pure easily-confirmed disinfo and now you're calling me the liar. (!)

As for the institution that "verified" the 9/11 deaths, I'll assume its kinda like all the "verified" jews who were heroes/died in WW2.  Or the "confirmed" dead con-artist jews who changed their names or are now in Israel living their next life.

Do what you will. I've broken no forum guidelines. If people vote me off, then they do so out of 100% fear.

I just think it's undignified to have dialogue with traitors who intentionally deceive on issues of national security.  It is a crime against humanity as the implications of believing such lies will surely cost lives.  Almost like pulling the trigger yourself, and here we are giving you a platform treating you civilly, at our cost.  Sometimes I really wonder if we aren't doing something morally wrong.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on September 13, 2012, 12:14:09 AM
You just posted a link to pure easily-confirmed disinfo...

It's a memorial video, "Dedicated to the men, women and children who lost their lives; all those who sacrificed their lives; And to all the Heroes that responded to the emergency 11 September 2001..." More the most part, it depicts portraits of those who died that day (you know, the ones that you claim to care about), to the Enya tune, "Only Time".

As far as I can see, the creators give none of their personal opinions as to the nature of the attacks (i.e., who were actual the perpetrators). They just show pictures of attacks and the aftermath, coupled with excerpts of news reports of the day. It is completely non-political. One could just as easily play the thing with a caption that reads, "Look what the Jews did to our people and how they manipulated our leaders." In fact, I think I remember actually seeing similar such usage somewhere on YouTube.

So in what possible way is this "easily-confirmed" as "disinfo"?

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...and now you're calling me the liar. (!)

Yes, I am calling you a liar. Because you are a liar.

When you state that "only 1 jew died in 9/11", that is a lie. The fact that you stated it makes you a liar.

It's not that complicated.

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As for the institution that "verified" the 9/11 deaths, I'll assume its kinda like...

Nobody gives two damp loads what you "assume" its kinda like. For that matter, there's no reason for anyone to "assume" anything. It's all matter of public record.

http://web.archive.org/web/20050408072925/http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/14-260933.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20050408072925/http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/14-260933.html)

[emphasis added...]

The following partial list of 76 Jewish World Trade Center victims includes many from companies that were located at or above where the planes hit. These include Cantor Fitzgerald, which lost 658 employees, Marsh & McLellan, which lost 295 employees, Aon Corporation, which lost 176 employees, and others.

Lee Alan Adler, 48, was a computer designer at Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Adler was a member of the board of trustees of Temple Beth Ahm in Springfield, New Jersey, where memorial services were held for him. He was married to his wife. Alice, for 15 years and had a 12-year old daughter. His daughter wrote in a February 22, 2002 message on an internet memorial site, "Daddy I love you!"

Joshua Aron, 29, was an equities trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. Joshua's father, Barry Aron, says, "Not a minute goes by in a day that I don't think about Josh. ... It's like part of you being ripped out and you can't replace it." Barry talks to his son's widow, Rachel daily. Mr. Aron and Rachel would have celebrated their first wedding anniversary on September 16, 2001. Memorial services were held at the Oceanside Jewish Center in Oceanside, New York.

Michael Edward Asher, 53, was vice president and senior technology architect at Cantor Fitzgerald. On September 10, 2001, he talked with his son Jeremy, 18, about rebuilding an old Jaguar automobile. Mr. Asher was also survived by his wife Dana and a daughter, Rachel, 16. A memorial service was held for him at the Monroe Temple of Liberal Judaism in Monroe, New York.

Debbie S. Bellows, 30, was an executive assistant at Cantor Fitzgerald. She was survived by her husband Sean, who wrote, "Debbie meant the world to me. ... My heart will always be filled with the love and beauty that filled her soul." A memorial service was held for Ms. Bellows at the Westchester Reform Temple in Scarsdale, New York.

Alvin Bergsohn, 48, was an equities trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. From a picture posted on the Internet, it appears that he was survived by a wife and two sons. A service was held for him at the South Baldwin Jewish Center in Baldwin Harbor, New York.

Shimmy D. Biegeleisen, 42, was vice president of Fiduciary Trust International. Susan Townsend, who interviewed for a job at Mr. Biegeleisen's company, described him "a genuinely kind and gentle soul, a man of true integrity." A friend, Joseph Weinberger, said he was "a person with a golden heart, loved everybody, always with a smile." Another described him as "a perfect mix of God-fearing, friendly, and fun." Tony Skutnik said he was "a kind and gentle man, generous and forgiving almost to a fault." He was survived by a wife and five children.

Joshua David Birnbaum, 24, was an assistant bond trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. His best friend, Leehe Matalon, wrote, "Josh's smile always managed to light up the faces of those he surrounded himself with. He had a special charm ...." He was survived by his parents, Sam and Marcel, and a sister, Jill. A memorial service was held for him at the Sephardic Congregation of Long Beach in Long Beach, New York.

Kevin Sanford Cohen, 28, was a computer support person for Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his parents, Barry and Marcia, and a brother Neil. His mother said that when she had asked him why he didn't slow down, he replied, "Mom, I believe in living life to the fullest." A memorial service was held for him at Neve Shalom in Metuchen, New Jersey.

Michael Allen Davidson, 27, was an equity options trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. A co-worker named Jay wrote, "He could have been the nicest, most sensitive person I have ever met. Everyone loves him." He was engaged to be married the following July to Dominique DeNardo. Mr. Davidson was survived by his mother Ellen. A memorial service was held for him at Congregation Beth Israel in Scotch Plains, New Jersey.

Peter Feidelberg, 34, worked for Aon corporation. Mr. Feidelberg was from Montreal, Canada, and worked at Aon with his wife, Meredith Ewart, whom he had married in March 2000. According to the Canadian Jewish News, Mr. Feidelberg attended Jewish Peoples School, ran in the 1998 New York Marathon, enjoyed rugby, mountain biking, skiing and scuba diving, and had backpacked through Europe, Costa Rica, Turkey and other countries.

Steven Mark Fogel, 40, was vice president and assistant general counsel for Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife Kori, a son and a daughter. A memorial service was held for him at Temple Emanuel in Westfield, New York.

...]

This list goes on and on, but I think everyone (guests and newbies alike) gets the idea.

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I just think it's undignified to have dialogue with traitors who intentionally deceive on issues of national security.

Says the one who is a proven liar.

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...here we are giving you a platform treating you civilly, at our cost.

What "cost"? If anything, I provide a valuable service around here up by shaking loose all the low-hanging fruit. Like, for instance, your ridiculous and easily-refutable claim that "only 1 jew died in 9/11". It took me precisely eighteen seconds to find the link which demonstrates the false nature of your statement. You think I'm the only one on the world who could have done this?

Try not to be a fool. If your only aspiration for this "movement" of yours is to continue making absurd claims within a vacuum completely free of contest of challenge, then I can see why you'd want to see me get the boot from this forum once and for all. But I would submit there is nothing special or unique about myself of my point of view. Don't agree? Then go ahead and tell those you are trying to get over to your way of thinking that "only 1 jew died in 9/11". Or have Walt wad the notion into a "stinkbomb" he tosses the next time he pulls one of his idiotic radio stunts. See how many people scratch their heads and think to themselves, "Only one Jew died? In New York?". Then watch them go to their computers and pull a Google search for "Jews who died on 9/11". They'll find the same link that I did, and at that precise moment they will dismiss you as a lying, paranoid kook.

Which you arguably are, but that's beside the point.

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Sometimes I really wonder if we aren't doing something morally wrong.

I think that you, personally, are, but not for the reasons that you think. I think lying about the people who died on 9/11 (as you have done) is morally reprehensible.

So would a lot of others, I'd expect. Which is why it's a good thing I'm here to correct you on these matters before you take it to the streets.


Unless, of course, you don't want to deal with people who think for themselves.


Where in the hell is Dominique when I need her?
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: bpocatch on September 13, 2012, 02:21:57 AM
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The following partial list of 76 Jewish World Trade Center victims includes many from companies that were located at or above where the planes hit. These include Cantor Fitzgerald, which lost 658 employees, Marsh & McLellan, which lost 295 employees, Aon Corporation, which lost 176 employees, and others.

employees not people

Links to autopsies and death certificates please.

None? Oh anonymous guy said so  ::)
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: jacob gold on September 13, 2012, 06:49:06 AM
I lost three brothers at the WTC. Two were reading the Torah, looking out the 86th floor, and the jet hit right there. My other brother made 17 trips to the 96th floor and carried mothers and babies out. Firemen tried to stop Shem but he wasn't giving up - he was on his last trip at the entrance, half the fire dept were yelling "Shem - you can do it - you can do it" . the building came down and he died.

This is all true
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: OldTimes on September 13, 2012, 12:13:18 PM
I lost three brothers at the WTC. Two were reading the Torah, looking out the 86th floor, and the jet hit right there. My other brother made 17 trips to the 96th floor and carried mothers and babies out. Firemen tried to stop Shem but he wasn't giving up - he was on his last trip at the entrance, half the fire dept were yelling "Shem - you can do it - you can do it" . the building came down and he died.

If a link from state.gov/media is keen to emphasize vast numbers of jews who died, who am I to argue with all the jews in our govt and media?  Plus we have gelignite on here calling me an idiot and liar, his intentions must be honorable just like his 9/11 stories on what happened that day.

We'll just let our readers come to their own conclusions.  One conclusion I came to on behalf of gelignite's help is, there are far more jews involved than just a few bad apples.  I realized later they are all involved, one way or another.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Rudi Jan on September 13, 2012, 02:55:02 PM
One conclusion I came to on behalf of gelignite's help is, there are far more jews involved than just a few bad apples.  I realized later they are all involved, one way or another.

It's ingrained in the 'religion'. They'll always prove useful to that religion with no remorse for lost nationalism.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: jacob gold on September 13, 2012, 05:31:28 PM
If a link from state.gov/media is keen to emphasize vast numbers of jews who died, who am I to argue with all the jews in our govt and media?  Plus we have gelignite on here calling me an idiot and liar, his intentions must be honorable just like his 9/11 stories on what happened that day.

We'll just let our readers come to their own conclusions.  One conclusion I came to on behalf of gelignite's help is, there are far more jews involved than just a few bad apples.  I realized later they are all involved, one way or another.


Every jew is a potential sayanim. They are puff adders just laying in wait
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: EyeBelieve on September 13, 2012, 07:31:01 PM
there's no reason for anyone to "assume" anything. It's all matter of public record.

http://web.archive.org/web/20050408072925/http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/14-260933.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20050408072925/http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/14-260933.html)

[emphasis added...]

The following partial list of 76 Jewish World Trade Center victims includes many from companies that were located at or above where the planes hit. These include Cantor Fitzgerald, which lost 658 employees, Marsh & McLellan, which lost 295 employees, Aon Corporation, which lost 176 employees, and others.

That report notes sources are (jewish) publications & NYC ME office.  Why only 76 jewish victims specified by name?  BTW weird that Gummint is so keen to address rumors; do they ever give credit to Catholics who claim that 85% of first responder fatalities were Catholics?
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on September 13, 2012, 08:31:19 PM
That report notes sources are (jewish) publications & NYC ME office.

It's a matter of public record. Anyone who wanted to could check it for themselves.

OldTimes is a liar. Case closed.

[...idiocy snipped...]
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: OldTimes on September 13, 2012, 08:49:05 PM
It's a matter of public record. Anyone who wanted to could check it for themselves.

The "public record" on 9/11 is an outright lie, not "case closed" like you would like.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Sue on September 13, 2012, 09:07:29 PM
The "public record" on 9/11 is an outright lie, not "case closed" like you would like.

Just remember this line:

''You can't teach a pig to dance - not only will the pig not dance, but you will also annoy the pig.''
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on September 13, 2012, 09:08:29 PM
The "public record" on 9/11 is an outright lie, not "case closed" like you would like.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/18/vic.rosh.hashana/ (http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/18/vic.rosh.hashana/)

[...

At one synagogue on Manhattan's upper West Side, the congregation gathered Monday night for Rosh Hashana minus six members who were lost during last week's attacks.

Five of them were in the World Trade Center, and one was in the plane that hit the Pentagon. None of their bodies have been recovered....

...]

I'd love to see you personally face those families in the synagogue (on the 9/11 anniversary) and tell them how you don't believe their loved one was actually Jewish. Or that if he/she was Jewish, then he/she didn't actually die.

Because, according to you, "only 1 jew died in 9/11".





Idiot.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: EyeBelieve on September 13, 2012, 09:14:08 PM
It's a matter of public record. Anyone who wanted to could check it for themselves.

OldTimes is a liar. Case closed.

[...idiocy snipped...]

Hey, you're are go-to-guy for the real story, eh?  Only one link & that from State Dep't?  Who even knew State was in the jew-counting business?  I thought that was really wrong, JMSM gave Nixon hell for that.

State Dep't are probably worse liars than DOD.  Once took cab-ride into DC with Finnish driver...we passed by State HQ & unprompted by me he remarked "Not one word of truth comes out of that building".  NASCAR champ Tony Stewart was once chided by an interviewer for being undiplomatic; Tony replied ~" well good, diplomats are a bunch of jerks that fly around, waste money & talk nonsense".  Not that NASCAR drivers are normally politically astute but that was a perfect description of Kissinger, Hillary etc.

BTW I recently posted an article about Ambassador to Kenya, AF General ret Scott Gration, who got fired by zio faction.  Zero views/zero replies.  Zios had it in for Gration ever since he refused, as Special Envoy to Sudan, to cooperate with their demonization of Sudan.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: OldTimes on September 13, 2012, 09:18:14 PM
I'd love to see you personally face those families in the synagogue (on the 9/11 anniversary) and tell them how you don't believe their loved one was actually Jewish. Or that if he/she was Jewish, then he/she didn't actually die.

Oh so 9/11 was a tragedy for jews and not Americans?  I have tears in my eyes.
But that's not what Netan-yahoo said:

Netanyahu: “9/11 was Good for Israel"

Well, I'd love for those synagogue familes to face Americans who know the truth about 9/11, that Israel was behind it and not a single jew showed up for work that day.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on September 13, 2012, 09:30:04 PM
Well, I'd love for those synagogue familes to face Americans who know the truth about 9/11, that Israel was behind it and not a single jew showed up for work that day.

So where do you think all of the loved ones who are now missing from all of those synagogue families finally went?

Did they go out for a pack of smokes and never went back home? Are they sitting on a beach somewhere?


"Americans who know the truth about 9/11..."

You couldn't find the truth with both hands if it was attached to your ass.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: EyeBelieve on September 13, 2012, 09:40:21 PM
I'd love to see you personally face those families in the synagogue (on the 9/11 anniversary) and tell them how you don't believe their loved one was actually Jewish. Or that if he/she was Jewish, then he/she didn't actually die.

Because, according to you, "only 1 jew died in 9/11".

What about Tania Head, the Spanish/American jewess who had a good run falsely claiming to be a 9/11 survivor?    She got considerable amount of MSM attention both pre/post exposure as a con artist.  TV had a big show about her con job, print/internet sites covered it as well but NONE that I can see ever mentioned her jewishness.  Only mentioning her because the TV special showed her attempting to make a speech in a big NYC Catholic church (St Patrick's?).  Though "Tania" (AFAIK) had never claimed to be either jewish or Catholic she was open about (obviously) growing up in Spain...thus we assume that she was trying to give those churchgoers the impression she was Catholic.  Well the video shows that Tania had a tough time in the church (just as you say Old Times would have in the synagogue) doing her speech.  She went to the podium, got really nervous & just left.  Her duped/shilling friends said emotions got to her, reality is that she realized that as a crypto she had zero ability to impersonate a Catholic.  Strangely Tania's nerves were never a problem in her multitude of other media interviews, personal interactions as Survivor Network bigwig etc.

BTW did Tania ever thank Catholic first-responders who gave many heroic lives?
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: OldTimes on September 13, 2012, 09:40:50 PM
So where do you think all of the loved ones who are now missing from all of those synagogue families finally went?

What jews are missing?
What "loved ones"?

Even if there were some jew who went missing, we'd probably find him on a Tel Aviv beach like this jew (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=23834).

Look, I'm saying perhaps one jew.  So just name more than one and prove it, and you're off the hook.

In the meantime we all know you are the liar, and I am having trouble sleeping at night just thinking about the moral implications of you continuing to post here, with the rest of us spinning our wheels rehashing stuff that's been established without a doubt a long time ago.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on September 13, 2012, 09:51:24 PM
What about Tania Head, the Spanish/American jewess...

What about her?

Where's your evidence that she's a Jew? Did she attend synagogue? Any of her relatives buried in a Jewish cemetery?

Show us how you come to the conclusion that she is a Jew, but all those other people who died in the WTC (i.e, who have a Star of David on their headstones in Jewish cemeteries and whose families attend synagogue, etc.) are not Jews.


Or are you simply talking out of your ass, yet again?
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: laconas on September 13, 2012, 09:55:49 PM
Oh so 9/11 was a tragedy for jews and not Americans?  I have tears in my eyes.
But that's not what Netan-yahoo said:

Netanyahu: “9/11 was Good for Israel"

Well, I'd love for those synagogue familes to face Americans who know the truth about 9/11, that Israel was behind it and not a single jew showed up for work that day.

I've never met a Muslim where the conversation about 9/11 wasn't about how the Jews did it, how they did it, and why they did it. The US is probably the country where the lowest number of people %-wise know it was the Jews.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on September 13, 2012, 10:03:30 PM
What jews are missing?
What "loved ones"?

...just name more than one and prove it, and you're off the hook.

I already did:

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=24232.msg231340#msg231340 (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=24232.msg231340#msg231340)

You can sit there with your eyes shut and your fingers stuck in your ears screaming, "la, la, la, la!" all you want.

Enough people (including all the guests and noobs reading this exchange) already know that you're completely full of shit.


And you are thusly dismissed.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: EyeBelieve on September 13, 2012, 10:35:17 PM
What about her?

Where's your evidence that she's a Jew? Did she attend synagogue? Any of her relatives buried in a Jewish cemetery?

Show us how you come to the conclusion that she is a Jew, but all those other people who died in the WTC (i.e, who have a Star of David on their headstones in Jewish cemeteries and whose families attend synagogue, etc.) are not Jews.


Or are you simply talking out of your ass, yet again?

(http://j-walkblog.com/images/taniaandrudy.jpg)

Mucho circumstantial evidence that "Tania" is crypto:  Used a fake name, née Alicia Esteve Head.  Both papa & brother were imprisoned in Spain for financial crimes.  Even before 9/11 she had a record of fabulating; back in Spain she had told folks a tall tale about being about being severely wounded in an auto crash.  TV show describes her (typically JAP) childhood as child of privilege, being insecure about fatness; classmates noted her school-time history as pathological liar etc.  There's also a big sports equipment manufacturer, "Head".  Likely they are jew-owned like Rossignol skis.

Tania made a fine point about never discussing her "religion" though always willing to spill her (ample) guts about everything else.  She made up incredibly detailed stories to tell her Survivor Network chums:  lied about owning a dog, lied about her fairy-tale romance with some guy she claimed took her to Hawaii for a dream wedding etc.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: OldTimes on September 14, 2012, 02:31:43 AM
I already did.

What you've quoted has already been debunked and you are touting it as "proof"?!
I'm not surprised.

I can "prove" a lot of things, by linking to "official" politician's statements, and jewish media sources.  That's not the kind of proof we are looking for here.  We are looking for something that can at least stand the test of logic.

And BTW your link is broken to begin with.  You should get in touch with your fellow sayanims and update your cut-and-paste arguments.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Railroad Bum on September 14, 2012, 03:37:51 AM
...
The following partial list of 76 Jewish World Trade Center victims....

Hi, schmuck-o, how's business?

They try the old switcheroo.  Jews for Israelis.  Sure Jews died at the WTC on 911.  The problem is Israhellis didn't.  All approximately 4,000 (re Jerusalem Post and Israehelli foreign embassy) didn't show up for work that day.  Not one single Israhelli died at the WTC, the very epicenter of world Jewish financial power, on 911.  Zero out of 4,000.  Also, Lucky Larry Silverstein and his two kids and all the officers in his company didn't show up for work that day. 

The big shot Jew machas couldn't care less about ordinary walking around Jews. They're more than happy to leave them to the schwartzes when they turn their apartment buildings into ghetto slums, or when they set up a huge Jewish lightning scam to rake in a few billion sheckels, ie 911. 

Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on September 14, 2012, 07:06:17 AM
What you've quoted has already been debunked....

No, it has not been "debunked". You just refuse to acknowledge it.

And this is plain for all to see.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Railroad Bum on September 14, 2012, 07:11:54 AM
Mr Gelignite, you should come around here more often. So how's the femily?  Do you spik Yiddish?  I like Yiddish.  It's a cute language.  When Jews were poor and nice.  Yiddish Radio Project:

http://yiddishradioproject.org/
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on September 14, 2012, 07:12:11 AM
Sure Jews died at the WTC on 911.

According to OldTimes, only *one* Jew died. Singular. If that.

Maybe you two should sit down and hash this out. You guys really need to get your act together here.


[...remaining, long-debunked idiocy snipped...]

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=9430.msg82227#msg82227 (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=9430.msg82227#msg82227)
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Railroad Bum on September 14, 2012, 07:14:10 AM
According to OldTimes, only *one* Jew died. Singular. If that.

Maybe you two should sit down and hash this out. You guys really need to get your act together here.


[...remaining, long-debunked idiocy snipped...]


No, Mr Gelignite, I'm not interested in "hashing" anything out.  I'm only interested in the real truth about everything, and let the chips fall where they may.



ww


Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: bpocatch on September 14, 2012, 07:23:17 AM

I accept everything gelignite says as true.

Therefore he has the liability to pay.

google federal rules of civil behavior evidence
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on September 14, 2012, 07:27:18 AM

No, Mr Gelignite, I'm not interested in "hashing" anything out.  I'm only interested in the real truth about everything...

Why is it, then, that you continue to repeat the same lies?

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=9430.msg82227#msg82227 (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=9430.msg82227#msg82227)

Why do you not call out your fellow travellers (like OldTimes) who also repeat the same lies?

He keeps saying "only 1 jew" died. Why don't you straighten him out?
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Railroad Bum on September 14, 2012, 07:52:29 AM
Why is it, then, that you continue to repeat the same lies?

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=9430.msg82227#msg82227 (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=9430.msg82227#msg82227)

Why do you not call out your fellow travellers (like OldTimes) who also repeat the same lies?

He keeps saying "only 1 jew" died. Why don't you straighten him out?

Instead of shrieking "liar" and "lies" and "everything you say has been debunked", Mr Gelignite, specify exactly what I said that you deem to be incorrect. If I am wrong about anything I will be the first to admit it.

If someone said that "only 1 jew" died at the WTC on 911 he is incorrect, but that misconception would exist because the would be perpetrators of the absurd official party line deliberately mix up the words "Jew" and "Israeli" to suit their story line.  Many Jews died.  However all of the Israelis were apparently warned in advance, including Larry Silverstein and his two kids and the officers in his company, and the celebrating Israeli Mossad film crew from UMC that had their video equipment set up in advance.

Why aren't you interested in asking where the film they took is?  It would be the best documentation we have of the event. Or where the records of their interrogation at MCC is?  Why are you and your kind only interested in attacking those of us who ask these questions that need to be asked?

As if I didn't know.


ww
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: jacob gold on September 14, 2012, 08:40:48 AM
I accept everything gelignite says as true.

Therefore he has the liability to pay.

google federal rules of civil behavior evidence


Gelignite is a intelligent and real asset to this forum. I love his views on the USS Liberty
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: OldTimes on September 14, 2012, 11:04:19 AM
Gelignite is a intelligent and real asset to this forum. I love his views on the USS Liberty

How many more Americans are going to die because they trust and believe Israelis like gelignite?
We've got a responsibility here.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Sue on September 14, 2012, 11:16:44 AM
How many more Americans are going to die because they trust and believe Israelis like gelignite?
We've got a responsibility here.

No one here trusts him, but, Gelignite is great for entertainment value!  8)
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: jacob gold on September 14, 2012, 11:31:27 AM
How many more Americans are going to die because they trust and believe Israelis like gelignite?
We've got a responsibility here.


He is a transparent idiotic heeb.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: EyeBelieve on September 14, 2012, 04:20:41 PM

He is a transparent idiotic heeb.

Hey, defending the 9/11 Party Line is a tough job.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on September 15, 2012, 08:52:43 AM
Instead of shrieking "liar" and "lies" and "everything you say has been debunked", Mr Gelignite, specify exactly what I said that you deem to be incorrect.

If I spent my time doing that, then I'd never be off of this board.

Actually, I have proven you wrong many times in the past. You've never once admitted it, though, and you continue to repeat the same demonstrable falsehoods to this very day.

All one has to do is search the forum for my posts with the terms "4000" or "dancing Israelis". Or try "Maria".

Hell, I posted a link to one already, and you ignored it. So much for your word, I guess.

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If someone said that "only 1 jew" died at the WTC on 911 he is incorrect... Many Jews died.

You and OldTimes need to have a talk, I think.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: bpocatch on September 15, 2012, 09:20:53 AM
Actually, I have proven you wrong many times in the past. You've never once admitted it, though, and you continue to repeat the same demonstrable falsehoods to this very day.

A though old antecedent trick.  Like Holocaust denier.

It is true ww denies the Holocaust.

Therefore the antecedent is also (presumed) true.

It is true ww has not admitted gelly's claim is true.

Therefore gelly's claim is (presumed) true.

ww has rebutted your antecedent many times so it is not presumed true.

Gelly you want to get an independent judge to rule on the ww says / gelly says?


Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: jools on September 15, 2012, 09:31:55 AM
All one has to do is search the forum for my posts with the terms "4000" or "dancing Israelis". Or try "Maria".

You have been beaten 1000 times in dancing israelis subject, but as ADL spy paid by tax payers, your job is to be delusional. Jews are always right, Goyims are always evil and wrong.

Do you ever get your huge nose stuck in champagne glass when you try to drink from it?
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on September 15, 2012, 12:43:49 PM
You have been beaten 1000 times in dancing israelis subject...

No, I have never been beaten on that subject. Because, as always, the truth is on my side.

Take your fellow traveler Werewolf, for instance:

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=23453.msg221253#msg221253 (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=23453.msg221253#msg221253)

Here he was trying to tell me about how "dancing Israelis" had their cameras set up and trained on the WTC before the first plane hit.

Then I pointed out how "Maria", the woman who originally called the police (and from whom the entire "dancing Israelis" story first originated), indicated that she saw their van pull up sometime *after* the towers had been burning... sometime *after* the first plane hit.

So it's fairly cut and dried at this point - the "dancing Israelis" didn't even arrive on the scene until after the attack began.

But does Werewolf admit this? Not in the slightest. In fact, he barely addressed the issue from that point on, and he eventually fled the entire discussion, altogether.

And here he is today, repeating the same demonstrable lie in this very thread. Like we've never ever talked about it before.

Make no mistake. Werewolf is not at all interested in the truth about 9/11. Like many others, his only agenda is to denigrate Jewish people as much as he possibly can, and he sees 9/11 as an opportunity to do just that. One could put the truth in front of his face, and he'll simply pretend it isn't there, mindlessly droning on about "dancing Israelis" and the "4000" who failed to show up to work at the WTC that day (another demonstrable lie). Because he thinks it makes the Jews look bad.


And that's the only thing he's really interested in. 

Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: bpocatch on September 15, 2012, 02:08:21 PM
Then I pointed out how "Maria", the woman who originally called the police (and from whom the entire "dancing Israelis" story first originated), indicated that she saw their van pull up sometime *after* the towers had been burning... sometime *after* the first plane hit.

And you learned of "Maria" from whom?

Has she sworn under oath?

Where is Maria now?

This is proof?
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on September 15, 2012, 02:51:01 PM
And you learned of "Maria" from whom?

Same place Werewolf "learned" that the Israelis had their cameras set up prior to the first plane impact.

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Has she sworn under oath?

Not that I know of. No one on either side of the story has, as far as I know.

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Where is Maria now?

Haven't the slightest idea.

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This is proof?

All things being equal, it's the best we have.

Maria is the one from whom the story originated. If she hadn't called the cops, there wouldn't be any story about any "dancing Israelis". So the notion that the Israelis didn't park the van until *after* the Towers had been struck comes straight from the horse's mouth, as it were.

Is there some reason you don't want believe her now?

Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: bpocatch on September 15, 2012, 03:31:18 PM
Is there some reason you don't want believe her now?

Belief?
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: bpocatch on September 15, 2012, 03:46:38 PM
All things being equal, it's the best we have.

Bester

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GEQtxTnDusk

Pilots for 9/11 Truth: Airplane controllability

excerpt from "9/11: World Trade Center Attack" by Pilots for 9/11 Truth - http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org -- see also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSokEXdFjaQ -- pilot who flew actual aircraft used on 9/11 says it was impossible
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: amalgamy on September 15, 2012, 04:10:22 PM
It's a matter of public record. Anyone who wanted to could check it for themselves.

OldTimes is a liar. Case closed.

[...idiocy snipped...]

Lest our Jewish friends forget...Obama...the oilerly years, Gelenite.

http://www.jewishjournal.com/thegodblog/item/barack_obama_shabbos_goy_20080721/

Barack Obama: Shabbos goy

Posted by Brad A. Greenberg

Follow JewishJournal.com

Newsweek had another article recently about what God means to Barack Obama. I know, I’m really tired of this too, but the article had a great tidbit about Obama serving as a Shabbos goy after he joined the Illinois State Senate:

    In 1999, while still in the Illinois State Senate, he shared an office suite with Ira Silverstein, an Orthodox Jew. Obama peppered Silverstein with questions about Orthodox restrictions on daily life: the kosher laws and the sanctions against certain kinds of behavior on the Sabbath. “On the Sabbath, if I ever needed anything, Barack would always offer,” remembers Silverstein. “Some of the doors are electric, so he would offer to open them … I didn’t expect that.”

If only Heeb had known. Maybe Obama could have penned these confessions last fall. I know he’s trying to smooth things over with all his Jewish friends.

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Gelenite...I've read through the thread, but I've missed you're fire storm reasoning to respond to this one?  So, why...really?
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Railroad Bum on September 15, 2012, 04:15:07 PM
Same place Werewolf "learned" that the Israelis had their cameras set up prior to the first plane impact.

...

Uh, no, Mr Gelignite.  I learned that from FOX News, the AP, and the NY Times.


FOX NEWS 14 SEP 2001:

The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.







Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Railroad Bum on September 15, 2012, 04:22:42 PM
A though old antecedent trick.  Like Holocaust denier.

It is true ww denies the Holocaust.

...


No I don't. The Holocaust(s) were all too real, only it was the Talmudists who perpetrated them - in Russia, in eastern Europe, in Germany, and now in the middle east, not to mention the surreptitious Holocausts that destroy entire nations and civilizations and races and the orchestrating of war after war after war without end.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Railroad Bum on September 15, 2012, 04:25:58 PM
If I spent my time doing that, then I'd never be off of this board.

Actually, I have proven you wrong many times in the past. You've never once admitted it, though, and you continue to repeat the same demonstrable falsehoods to this very day.

All one has to do is search the forum for my posts with the terms "4000"...


Jerusalem Post 12 Sep 2001:

The Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem has so far received the names of 4,000 Israelis believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the attack.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: bpocatch on September 15, 2012, 04:57:19 PM

No I don't.

Oops sorry. I was supposed to be an example.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: wag on September 15, 2012, 05:03:20 PM
Oops sorry. I was supposed to be an example.

Jews always lie, but who's the jew?
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: bpocatch on September 15, 2012, 05:25:38 PM
Jews always lie, but who's the jew?

Shrug

I posted that a contractor at a Navy science fiction type weapons research center did the building maintenance at WTC.

Just watched again a CIA agent talked about the late night shipment  to wtc before 911 and bombed lobbies.

A Bush on security.

The missing gold.  Destruction of evidence.  The foreign film crewing shadowing the fire company that has an anonymous call that puts the fire truck and the foreign film crew in the exact spot to film a plane hit.

Quite a bit to talk about.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on September 15, 2012, 05:44:24 PM

Jerusalem Post 12 Sep 2001:

The Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem has so far received the names of 4,000 Israelis believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the attack.


And where's your evidence that any of them actually *worked* in the WTC?

You have none. You just pulled that part out of your own ass. You think it makes the Israelis (i.e., "the Jews") look bad, and so you repeat it as often as you can, truth be damned.


You are a worthless piece of shit, Werewolf.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Rudi Jan on September 15, 2012, 05:49:46 PM
You are a worthless piece of shit, Werewolf.

That deserves a 14 days no-post ban... disrespect on top of troll behavior.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: amalgamy on September 15, 2012, 05:56:32 PM
That deserves a 14 days no-post ban... disrespect on top of troll behavior.

It's the Kol Nidre season...say three Oy Veys and two Holy Kvetches and be absolved of your sins...the George Washington Bridge van drivers are safely back in Tel Aviv.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: mallard on September 15, 2012, 05:59:51 PM
Definitely!
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Railroad Bum on September 16, 2012, 04:47:15 AM
That deserves a 14 days no-post ban... disrespect on top of troll behavior.

(http://th167.photobucket.com/albums/u132/beedah2/Smiley/th_ApproveSmiley.gif)

Truth and/or honest questions that they can't spin infuriates them.  It is like holding up a crucifix to the Vampire.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Railroad Bum on September 16, 2012, 05:02:09 AM
Also, the Israeli embassy in NYC all day long frantically broadcast their extreme concern for the 4,000 Israelis they said were "working in or near the WTC". Obviously they weren't made privy to the caper.  It was strictly NTK, need to know.

The Jerusalem Post quickly disappeared the 12 Sep 2001 issue that was headlined as above.  If it wasn't for the fact that it was saved on the internet the gelignites would be insisting that it never existed and it is just an antisemitic urban myth. 

The editor of the Jerusalem Post was subsequently questioned about that issue and he insisted that the story was correct and he did indeed have in his possession the names of the missing Israelis, all of whom turned up alive. They do not however like to discuss the two mysterious Israelis who were aboard the planes that day, especially the Israeli Sayeret Matkal  airplane commandeering expert , Daniel Lewin.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: OldTimes on September 16, 2012, 10:56:14 AM
The editor of the Jerusalem Post was subsequently questioned about that issue and he insisted that the story was correct and he did indeed have in his possession the names of the missing Israelis, all of whom turned up alive.

So no Israelis died, but some jews died?  I doubt that.  First of all we should make a distinction between jews & Israelis, if there is one in this case.  2nd, I still don't think more than 1 jew or Israeli actually died.  We've got photos of jewish 'victims' but those particular sources turned out to be fraudulent.  Since gelignite couldn't, could you give me an example from a trustworthy source?
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: burford on September 16, 2012, 12:08:10 PM
That deserves a 14 days no-post ban... disrespect on top of troll behavior.

I respect and abide by your administrative decisions, and I know this comment is purely selfish but I think his participation here is valuable in that, I've learned a lot about detecting b-s from reading his posts and would actually miss him.  I don't go for name-calling but it's happened to me more than once here and as a result I've learned how to somewhat detach and deal with such immature attacks.  I'm not defending anyone, or disagreeing with your action, but just voicing an opinion.  But then, I'm not quite sure what 'troll behavior' actually means either.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: OldTimes on September 16, 2012, 12:30:09 PM
I respect and abide by your administrative decisions, and I know this comment is purely selfish but I think his participation here is valuable in that, I've learned a lot about detecting b-s from reading his posts and would actually miss him.  I don't go for name-calling but it's happened to me more than once here and as a result I've learned how to somewhat detach and deal with such immature attacks.  I'm not defending anyone, or disagreeing with your action, but just voicing an opinion.  But then, I'm not quite sure what 'troll behavior' actually means either.

Don't worry, he'll be back and posting on the next 9/11 thread.  It's his job.

Personally I think we are holocausting our morality being civil to someone who is actually in on the crime cover-up that took thousands of lives, not to mention the wars.  Think of the human cost of it all.  Think of the financial cost of it all.  Even now costing us time and frustration when all this has been settled a hundred times.

None of us would have the wisdom we have today if it were not for the adversity these people cause.  A temporary ban won't change gelly, but hopefully he'll improve his manners and tone when he gets back.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on September 16, 2012, 01:19:52 PM
That deserves a 14 days no-post ban... disrespect on top of troll behavior.

Wow, Jelly finally broke and started swearing? My god, "he's starting to sound like Biden!" (Apologies to Clint Eastwood)
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on September 16, 2012, 01:29:02 PM
I think his participation here is valuable in that, I've learned a lot about detecting b-s from reading his posts and would actually miss him. 

I completely agree with this. Even though we all have to waste our time refuting him over and over about the same issues. it's better for "lurkers" who may "wake up" from watching the debate unfold - rather than not having it there at all.

Although I too respect LW's decision - it's his forum, and he makes the rules. Hell, I was banned for less than that - don't believe I ever called anyone here a "worthless piece of shit" - but I didn't have a problem with it. No hard feelings.

If anything, it's clear that, just like superjew Haim Saban (formerly the most lucrative private campaign contributor before gambling racketeer Sheldon Adelson, another jew, came along) called himself "a one-issue guy, and that issue is Israel," it's interesting to note that Jelly is basically a one-issue guy, always appearing whenever and wherever 9/11 is mentioned. Wait, no make that a TWO-issue guy - 9/11 and Israel's INTENTIONAL attack on the USS Liberty, attempting to sink it but failing.

No, wait again - all of that brings us back to Jelly being a ONE-issue guy - and that issue is protecting jewish/zio interests, whenever and wherever he spots the need for "damage control." The truth be damned.




Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on September 16, 2012, 01:56:44 PM
"As we remember the victims, their families, and the heroes who stood up during one of our country's darkest moments, I invite all Americans to reclaim that abiding spirit of compassion by serving their communities in the days and weeks ahead," Obama said in a proclamation released Monday by the White House.
"the heroes who stood up during one of our country's darkest moments"? I sure hope he's not talking about the "Let's Roll!" crowd. They didn't take Flight 93 down. It was shot down. By our own US military, on our own US citizenry. I implore everyone to think hard and deeply about that. Our government was willing to shoot down its own citizens, rather than have that plane hit Crapitol Hill or the Half-Black House (both of which had been evacuated by then). They put a couple of empty government buildings (the almost-certain targets) above human life.

If there's anything that makes me believe that when the shit hits the fan, the military will probably be more likely to fire on its own citizenry to protect the scumbags both inside and outside the Beltway, it is that.

But NY Cops and firefighters, yeah, they were the heroes, both living and dead. But I don't need the Khaki-in-Chief to remind me of that.

Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on September 16, 2012, 02:01:57 PM
http://www.gunstuff.com/america-attacked.html (http://www.gunstuff.com/america-attacked.html)

It was radical Muslim extremists who attacked the United States on 9/11/01.

Every sentient human being knows this.

Love your appeal to emotion with that schmaltzy video, Jelly. Followed by the same-old, same-old assertion, with no facts to back it up.

Gotta resort to tear-jerker videos when logic fails you, I guess. ;)
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on September 16, 2012, 02:08:42 PM

This site is a joke or a honey-pot.  Coming from you probably the latter.

Should we ask the site owners?
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LOL, "LoneWolfe, Ltd"???  Yo, LW! Are you and Jelly in cahoots?  ;D

OK, just kidding. I just wanted to get the owner info out there. If they're collecting OTHERS' IP addresses, then we should know THEIR info.

 

Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on September 16, 2012, 02:11:29 PM
We really should just take a poll and see whether to allow him to post his troll crap here any longer. The time is too short to entertain jew molls like him.

Hey, that's a good idea, although I don't exactly believe in "mob rule." I prefer your "benevolent dictatorship," myself. :D

But if you do it, you should do the same for EVERY poster here, just to be fair and democratic. Which means I'll probably be the next one voted off the island right after Jelly  ;D
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on September 16, 2012, 02:17:12 PM

Scores (possibly hundreds) of Jews were killed on 9/11.

I gotta agree with the resident zio-troll on this one, but for a different reason. It's simply a statistical impossibility that on jew-run-and-infested Wall Street and the financial industry in general, there would only be one single jew trapped in the world's two largest buildings that happen to be located in that district and house multiple financial(racketeering) firms.

Personally, I think the "how many jews died in the 9/11 attacks" is a minor hair-splitting issue that diverts from the larger picture and more important issues. Which is exactly why a diversionist champ like Jelly will take up argument with it and waste everyone's time and bandwidth.


Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on September 16, 2012, 02:25:57 PM

Where in the hell is Dominique when I need her?

WTF does THAT mean? Need me to what? Take your BS and turn it around on you, like I've just done in the last post? And I'm only getting started.

(Where I was, was very very sick in ICU for nearly a week, and am still recuperating, FYI. And just as I tune in here you were banned.)

Please do not associate me as any sort of comrade-in-arms of yours. But at least you got the part right about me being able to think for myself.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on September 16, 2012, 02:28:28 PM
Who even knew State was in the jew-counting business?  I thought that was really wrong, JMSM gave Nixon hell for that.

LMAO about the Nixon reference. Gotta love those Oval Office tapes where he tells it like it really is about the jews and the spear-chuckers.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on September 16, 2012, 02:33:42 PM
I've never met a Muslim where the conversation about 9/11 wasn't about how the Jews did it, how they did it, and why they did it. The US is probably the country where the lowest number of people %-wise know it was the Jews.

Not just Muslims - folks I've met from my travels around the world, of all nationalities, religions, or walks of life, almost ubiquitously view the issue the same way. And they think we 'murkins are a bunch of chumps for believing otherwise (that majority of Americans who do, not you or me or most folks on this board). Lowest percentage of jew-wise, like you said. And the whole world knows it.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on September 16, 2012, 02:41:03 PM
the celebrating Israeli Mossad film crew from UMC that had their video equipment set up in advance.

Why aren't you interested in asking where the film they took is?  It would be the best documentation we have of the event. Or where the records of their interrogation at MCC is?  Why are you and your kind only interested in attacking those of us who ask these questions that need to be asked?

As if I didn't know.


I second this request and agree it would be the "best documentation" of the event - but the truth that would come out of it would impugn Jelly's overlords.

I guess we'll have to wait two weeks for him to answer that question. I look forward to his reply.

Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on September 16, 2012, 02:53:12 PM
Wow, after finally reading and replying to all of this thread, I can totally see why LW ran out of patience with Jelly. Not only are his diversions annoying and time-wasting, (and why I didn't bother to reply to him but twice), he is starting to cuss more than I do.  ;D
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Rudi Jan on September 16, 2012, 03:34:31 PM
Should we ask the site owners?

LOL, "LoneWolfe, Ltd"???  Yo, LW! Are you and Jelly in cahoots?  ;D

OK, just kidding. I just wanted to get the owner info out there. If they're collecting OTHERS' IP addresses, then we should know THEIR info.

Curious. Synchronicity I suppose.

I chose my nick based on my actual name and in no way was I trying to play on the governments penchant for blaming everything on 'lone wolf' type propaganda. That meme developed long after.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on September 16, 2012, 04:03:09 PM

I chose my nick based on my actual name and in no way was I trying to play on the governments penchant for blaming everything on 'lone wolf' type propaganda. That meme developed long after.

Ah, I see.

I think the term "lone wolf" has gotten a bad rap. I always thought of it as a positive term. Despite the media and gov's twisting of it by applying it to mass murderers, etc.

Frankly, I think the twisting's a deliberate ploy to discourage and demean independent thinking and individualism (which is what I personally think of, when I think of "lone wolf"). God forbid any of us should think outside the box, right?  ::)

It's a good handle, IMO, FWIW.

Anyway, whoever that company is (haven't tried to look it up) spelled it differently. The guy's last name is probably Wolfe, or something like that.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Railroad Bum on September 16, 2012, 04:27:54 PM
So no Israelis died, but some jews died?  I doubt that.  First of all we should make a distinction between jews & Israelis, if there is one in this case.  2nd, I still don't think more than 1 jew or Israeli actually died.  We've got photos of jewish 'victims' but those particular sources turned out to be fraudulent.  Since gelignite couldn't, could you give me an example from a trustworthy source?


Sure Jews died on 911, as distinguished from Jewish Israelis, who did not  Here's the list of WTC victims.  Some have obviously Jewish names.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,62151,00.html

BUT the proportion seems too low.  What I want to know is how many, if any, big shot non-Israeli Jews - execs - died as opposed to low level schlubs who no one in power cared anything about.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Railroad Bum on September 16, 2012, 04:33:44 PM
I respect and abide by your administrative decisions, and I know this comment is purely selfish but I think his [Mr Gelignite's] participation here is valuable in that, I've learned a lot about detecting b-s from reading his posts and would actually miss him.  I don't go for name-calling but it's happened to me more than once here and as a result I've learned how to somewhat detach and deal with such immature attacks.  I'm not defending anyone, or disagreeing with your action, but just voicing an opinion.  But then, I'm not quite sure what 'troll behavior' actually means either.


I'm the aggrieved party, but I do not wish to press charges against the honest and intelligent Mister Toad - I mean Mister Gelignite.  I say let him come waddling back in!


ww
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on September 16, 2012, 05:04:16 PM

I'm the aggrieved party, but I do not wish to press charges against the honest and intelligent Mister Toad - I mean Mister Gelignite.  I say let him come waddling back in!


ww

From what I read on this thread, he laid into OldTimes with ad hominems pretty good, too.

Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: EyeBelieve on September 16, 2012, 07:45:21 PM
Not just Muslims - folks I've met from my travels around the world, of all nationalities, religions, or walks of life, almost ubiquitously view the issue the same way. And they think we 'murkins are a bunch of chumps for believing otherwise (that majority of Americans who do, not you or me or most folks on this board). Lowest percentage of jew-wise, like you said. And the whole world knows it.

That may be true about Americans vs others but perhaps folks are a little paranoid in ZOG USA to speak their minds.  While Holo-denial isn't an official crime as in some other countries, having "wrong" opinions can be a quick career-ender.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: burford on September 16, 2012, 08:04:12 PM
Even now costing us time and frustration when all this has been settled a hundred times.

I understand and yes, it has been settled, on this and other forums.  But the vast majority in the real world are walking around with their blinders on, religiously believing the official conspiracy theory.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: burford on September 16, 2012, 08:14:12 PM
Even though we all have to waste our time refuting him over and over about the same issues. it's better for "lurkers" who may "wake up" from watching the debate unfold - rather than not having it there at all.

For me, it's good to have a refresher course now and then to remind me how to catch and respond to such nonsense in the real world.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: burford on September 16, 2012, 08:17:41 PM
... having "wrong" opinions can be a quick career-ender.

... to say the least. The other day some guy was blabbin' about Iran's secret underground nuke mfg facilities and if they got a nuke they'd use it on Israel.  Couldn't help but blurt out, "Who gives a shit?  Let me know when they find Iraq's illusive WMDs will ya."  The room got icy cold and later on it looked like he was taking my picture.  Good thing I work for myself
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Rudi Jan on September 16, 2012, 09:43:39 PM
I understand and yes, it has been settled, on this and other forums.  But the vast majority in the real world are walking around with their blinders on, religiously believing the official conspiracy theory.

I question how much consideration should be given to lurkers who are not awake. It seems to me that a large segment of the population is impervious to truth. Most everyone here has been posting here for nearly a decade and most of what has been fed to us by government and/or the media has been dissected and analyzed in considerable detail, with much of it sourced and linked. Anyone who is waking up can go back into the record here to 'catch up'.

In gelignite's case he continually attempts to turn back the clock on all the issues by denying even the least disputable details, which just throws us back a decade. Moreover he habitually focuses on the most minor of details or reiterating the official story as if it were gospel, sidetracking the main theme time and time again. That pattern has made it obvious that he is anything but sincere. I think that OT has made the point quite clear that entertaining a disinfo agent is in effect supporting a traitor, both to truth and to the nation (as distinct from the government). So the question we have to ask ourselves is whether or no we should continue to allow the distraction of rehashing historical minutia post after post? It would be fine if his sort were easily ignored but that is no easy task when, like the talking heads in the media, gelignite didn't carry on the falsehoods they have been trying to shove into our heads for so many years. With the freethinkers we have as members it's very difficult to let such falsehoods stand. Since gelignite never concedes a point it invariably leads to a level of frustration followed by acrimony. And all that compounds the distraction - which is what trolls hope to accomplish. I'm not deciding one way or the other - as yet. In this case I would prefer to do a poll to get a sense of what others feel rather than make a unitary decision. Thoughts?
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: EyeBelieve on September 16, 2012, 10:12:33 PM
I question how much consideration should be given to lurkers who are not awake. It seems to me that a large segment of the population is impervious to truth. Most everyone here has been posting here for nearly a decade and most of what has been fed to us by government and/or the media has been dissected and analyzed in considerable detail, with much of it sourced and linked. Anyone who is waking up can go back into the record here to 'catch up'.

In gelignite's case he continually attempts to turn back the clock on all the issues by denying even the least disputable details, which just throws us back a decade. Moreover he habitually focuses on the most minor of details or reiterating the official story as if it were gospel, sidetracking the main theme time and time again. That pattern has made it obvious that he is anything but sincere. I think that OT has made the point quite clear that entertaining a disinfo agent is in effect supporting a traitor, both to truth and to the nation (as distinct from the government). So the question we have to ask ourselves is whether or no we should continue to allow the distraction of rehashing historical minutia post after post? It would be fine if his sort were easily ignored but that is no easy task when, like the talking heads in the media, gelignite didn't carry on the falsehoods they have been trying to shove into our heads for so many years. With the freethinkers we have as members it's very difficult to let such falsehoods stand. Since gelignite never concedes a point it invariably leads to a level of frustration followed by acrimony. And all that compounds the distraction - which is what trolls hope to accomplish. I'm not deciding one way or the other - as yet. In this case I would prefer to do a poll to get a sense of what others feel rather than make a unitary decision. Thoughts?

Gelignite is somewhat of a troll though hardly the worst sort:  some trolls (like in old UseNet) were truly raving psychos simply seeking to pick fights.  Geli at least sticks to his zio-knitting somewhat.  I agree I've never seen him concede a point but similarly Govt/MSM doesn't either.  Gelignite is parroting the party line so why shouldn't we be able to debate it?  OTOH yes he violates rules with insults.

I don't agree with his overall line or even his details but OTOH some posters don't like my contention that Israel wasn't sole 9/11 plotter.  Back when 9/11 happened I believed "Arabs dunnit but had good motivation".  Obviously I've learned a lot since then.  Like many others I was so shocked by 9/11 & also so trusting in the internet to keep facts/articles/videos on hand I didn't even bother to cache articles.  OTOH when 7/7 rolled around I had learned my lesson & saved everything I could.  So my view is that even with the many different web pages & groups helping to expose 9/11 lies, debate is still useful.  Esp since the subject is fading from public consciousness.  After 9/11 there were 1,000's of websites (though many appeared to be machine-generated), now far fewer & why should we assume they're correct esp since Google Rule?
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: burford on September 16, 2012, 11:40:07 PM
I question how much consideration should be given to lurkers who are not awake. It seems to me that a large segment of the population is impervious to truth...

In gelignite's case...

I think that OT has made the point quite clear that entertaining a disinfo agent is in effect supporting a traitor, both to truth and to the nation (as distinct from the government). So the question we have to ask ourselves is whether or no we should continue to allow the distraction of rehashing historical minutia post after post? ...

You make very good points.  I haven't paid as much attention to his history of responses/behavior patterns as many here have so I've overlooked much of what you've mentioned – he's not that important to me.  Instead I've just noticed how few times he's not full of bologna.

It's one thing for one to play devil's advocate but I agree that tolerating one who cannot concede a point, especially when faced with incontrovertible truth, can be annoying, as I've experienced the same with some members here but have chalked it up to an essential cowardice and/or absence of grace in their underlying character.  There seems to be a lot of that going around these days which, come to think of it, might be worth adding to another topic currently discussing things that were better or worse in past times, but I digress.

OT's point (that you summarize) is a very good one as truth is quite often hard to come by.  Maybe some kind of limitation can be placed on topics where, if the poster doesn't concede or at least agree to disagree after a certain number of evasive maneuvers then they get banned from that particular topic – oh, I don't know – maybe, kinda like a, 'three strikes and you're out' type of rule.

:)
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Railroad Bum on September 17, 2012, 05:16:15 AM
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Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: jacob gold on September 17, 2012, 05:21:10 AM
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Rebbe WW  (turn the other cheek but sue them in court)


I always use lawyer Mosihe Fine, and he takes it before his uncle Judge Solomon Fine. No jury trials - 60% on the first million, and 40% on anything above.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Railroad Bum on September 17, 2012, 06:19:20 AM
Do you think I can switch lawyers now, Mr Gold?  Yours sounds better.  My lawyer is in Williamsburg, Brooklyn.  I was referred to him by the butcher. He told me to remove the post I just made because it might prejudice my case. Also he said we might be able to sue Dominique for denying or at least minimizing the severity of the Holocaust that Gelignite committed against me.

Since I'm switching lawyers I'll put back my original post. I hope it doesn't hurt my case.

From what I read on this thread, he laid into OldTimes with ad hominems pretty good, too.


Gelignite committed a Holocaust on me with his vicious and hateful words that caused permanent and irreparable damage.  You sound like a Holocaust Denier, saying things like, "well, others were hurt too".  Only I was hurt.  The others don't even know what suffering is.  He didn't say those vicious antiwerewolfic words to them.

And yet  I am willing to turn the other cheek and forgive him because I am so good, and also because I think he plays a nice devil's advocate, and, as touched upon above, he doesn't just randomly curse and disrupt but more or less sticks to the subject, cherry picking and acting like a totally retarded schmuck and a congenital liar, and he's filled with hate, of course, but he is a good display sample of the evil neo-talmudist.


Rebbe WW  (turn the other cheek but sue them in court)





Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Railroad Bum on September 17, 2012, 06:24:37 AM
Free Gelignite!!!

Please send your generous donations to me to help fight for the freedom for Gelignite to return!

Fight Hate!  Fight Antisemitism! Free Gelignite!





© Rebbe Werewolf
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Railroad Bum on September 17, 2012, 06:29:55 AM
PS I'm in New Jersey right now.  The local giveaway paper is headlined "How Can We Stop Hate Crimes?"  There are photos of backwards swastikas drawn here and there.  I must apologize and confess that I didn't read the story but only looked at the pictures, so unfortunately I don't know how to stop this scourge.  Probably something about long prison sentences for the offenders, plus more anti-Hate and Holocaust and tours of the Holocaust Museum and Celebrate Diversity courses in the schools starting in kindergarten.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on September 17, 2012, 07:08:50 AM

In gelignite's case he continually attempts to turn back the clock on all the issues by denying even the least disputable details, which just throws us back a decade. Moreover he habitually focuses on the most minor of details

That's exactly what he did when he zeroed in on OldTimes' "only one jew died at the WTC on 9/11" comment. Wasted three pages debating OT and WW about how many jews died at the WTC, whether they were jews, Israelis, or jewish Israelis, etc.   Wouldn't let up.

As I stated earlier when I called him out on exactly this behavior, to me that's a real minor hair-splitting issue in the grand scope of things. Whether there were actually hundreds of jews that worked there and actually had the foreknowledge to call off work that day - which just sounds a bit unbelieveable anyway, to me - even jews aren't quite THAT organized, and besides, it's common for them to sacrifice some of their own to maintain our sympathy vote (and dollars) - whatever the case may be, we know what these people are capable of, we know that they short-sold loads of stock right before the crash, we know that they had plenty of OTHER foreknowledge, and we know that Mossad cells were trailing the supposed Arab hijackers for MONTHS without letting the US know a thing, from those maps that WRS used to post up that a lawyer/researcher had put together as part of a larger document (see here: http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2005/08/31/israel-and-911-new-report-connects-the-dots/  The pdf is linked at that article and the maps comprise the last few pages of the document. Both WRS and myself have posted these multiple times here.)

But at least we can spot the pattern of Jelly's focus on the minutae, and maybe next time (if there is one) OT and WW won't fall into his trap.

 
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With the freethinkers we have as members it's very difficult to let such falsehoods stand. Since gelignite never concedes a point it invariably leads to a level of frustration followed by acrimony. And all that compounds the distraction - which is what trolls hope to accomplish. I'm not deciding one way or the other - as yet. In this case I would prefer to do a poll to get a sense of what others feel rather than make a unitary decision. Thoughts?

Totally agree with all your points. I weighed in on this before, but I think if you're going to have a "vote" it should apply to each person who posts here, so certain ones like Jelly can't shreik "anti-Semetism! Discrimination" or whatever. (Guess I'll be voted off the island pretty quick, if that happens.)

The problem with "voting" is that the most popular person(s) is/are not always the BEST choice, or in this case, the best posters. I'm sure Skunk would win a poll like this by a landslide, but I clearly remember you stating that you would have gotten rid of him long ago if he weren't so popular. (Personally, I think in many ways he's a far more damaging troll to this forum than Jelly. When it comes to distraction, undermining a mostly-credible story with some ridiculous shtick, etc, Skunk certainly does much more to create an unserious, over-the-top jew-bashing atmosphere here. Short posts with silly eye-catching, often-photoshopped pics are more likely to catch lurkers' attention than Jelly's subtle engagement, and turn people off immediately. You have to actually READ Jelly's posts to realize that he's misrepresenting/ignoring the facts.)

Now, I'm not lobbying for the removal of Skunk or anyone else for that matter, but I'm just making the point that banning Jelly while keeping this clown around really makes this forum look ludicrous IMO, no offense. And is just another reason that I would think deeply about going down the "popular vote" road if I were the admins/mods. You could end up dividing folks more than ever that way. Just like our elections do.

Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Sue on September 17, 2012, 08:48:27 AM
Since gelignite never concedes a point it invariably leads to a level of frustration followed by acrimony. And all that compounds the distraction - which is what trolls hope to accomplish. I'm not deciding one way or the other - as yet. In this case I would prefer to do a poll to get a sense of what others feel rather than make a unitary decision. Thoughts?

We can keep him as a perfect example of a liar, shill or troll or pull the kill-switch, who needs the distraction?
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Effendi on September 17, 2012, 10:43:04 AM
I still have fond memories of Lonewolf sealing the barrel on the Orange crew.....

I'm thinking they shouldn't actually drift onto land for years to come.

Geli had a ticket for the cruise but the slippery little shill slipped the surely bonds...

. :-X
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Rudi Jan on September 17, 2012, 12:22:25 PM
Geli had a ticket for the cruise but the slippery little shill slipped the surely bonds...

I only set him in the dock for 14 days. His 2nd offense. Third strike, you're out. The American way.

He still stands a chance.   :)
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: OldTimes on September 17, 2012, 05:37:04 PM
In gelignite's case he continually attempts to turn back the clock on all the issues by denying even the least disputable details, which just throws us back a decade. Moreover he habitually focuses on the most minor of details or reiterating the official story as if it were gospel, sidetracking the main theme time and time again. That pattern has made it obvious that he is anything but sincere. I think that OT has made the point quite clear that entertaining a disinfo agent is in effect supporting a traitor, both to truth and to the nation (as distinct from the government). So the question we have to ask ourselves is whether or no we should continue to allow the distraction of rehashing historical minutia post after post? It would be fine if his sort were easily ignored but that is no easy task when, like the talking heads in the media, gelignite didn't carry on the falsehoods they have been trying to shove into our heads for so many years. With the freethinkers we have as members it's very difficult to let such falsehoods stand. Since gelignite never concedes a point it invariably leads to a level of frustration followed by acrimony. And all that compounds the distraction - which is what trolls hope to accomplish. I'm not deciding one way or the other - as yet. In this case I would prefer to do a poll to get a sense of what others feel rather than make a unitary decision. Thoughts?

I think for that large segment of the population that is impervious to truth, they see us acting civil and engaging in discourse with someone like gelignite is enough to convince them we couldn't possibly be too serious.  How could we be, because if we are the ones in the right it means these people are complete and total traitors.  Hard for them to even imagine human beings capable of such lies and insincerity.  So they just blow it off, why dig any deeper than what we present on the thread?

This means we have to counter him each and every lie, and treat politely in accordance with our TOS.  Gelignite has an unfair advantage because of this and he uses it accordingly covering up the crime of the century.  And we know it's intentional and not out of ignorance.

I do see the value of his adversity as a learning tool for others, particular those new here who might know 9/11 is a lie, but may not understand the extent of jewish MO.  I guess the problem is the same problem I have dealing with jews offline...  how does one cope exactly?  We can't ignore him.  We can't acknowledge him civilly and still expect to be taken seriously by most people.  Have to be anonymous or risk getting put on their ADL (Amalek) lists.  If not anonymous, have to be two-faced so long as they are in positions of power, or risk your job, your life, everything...
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Post by: OldTimes on September 17, 2012, 06:07:41 PM
(Where I was, was very very sick in ICU for nearly a week, and am still recuperating, FYI. And just as I tune in here you were banned.)

Sounds serious.  Are you doing okay?
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Post by: OldTimes on September 17, 2012, 06:26:06 PM
Now, I'm not lobbying for the removal of Skunk or anyone else for that matter, but I'm just making the point that banning Jelly while keeping this clown around really makes this forum look ludicrous IMO, no offense. And is just another reason that I would think deeply about going down the "popular vote" road if I were the admins/mods. You could end up dividing folks more than ever that way. Just like our elections do.

I agree an actual poll would be unbecoming, but I think LW was soliciting thoughts and a general consensus for what we should do.  This is how problems get solved.  It's like how a jury arrives at a conclusion, not a democracy where whoever is 'popular' wins (like what jews & Israel want since they control the media)...
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Post by: wag on September 17, 2012, 06:30:17 PM
how does one cope exactly?  We can't ignore him.  We can't acknowledge him civilly and still expect to be taken seriously by most people.  Have to be anonymous or risk getting put on their ADL (Amalek) lists.  If not anonymous, have to be two-faced so long as they are in positions of power, or risk your job, your life, everything...

The challenge is to respond very succinctly to the main point and keep it there.  Let him blather off, you stick to the main point, or at least keep it relevant to the main point.
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Post by: Railroad Bum on September 17, 2012, 10:06:49 PM
Well, you could give him his own circus side show board where people could go to mock him and throw things at him and poke him with sticks between the  bars.  Thats' what I did with _______ when I had my PrezBoxing forum.  I thought it was good for a cheap laugh. 
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Post by: dominique on September 18, 2012, 05:46:44 AM
The challenge is to respond very succinctly to the main point and keep it there.  Let him blather off, you stick to the main point, or at least keep it relevant to the main point.

That is EXACTLY right. Stop letting Jelly suck you into debating details like "how many jews died in the twin towers," "were they jews, Israelis, or Israeli jews," etc.

And call out HIS avoidance of the main point when he pulls stunts like posting up a schmaltzy tearjerker video in lieu of an actual argument backed by FACTS.

Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on September 18, 2012, 05:47:28 AM
Sounds serious.  Are you doing okay?

Yes, thank you.


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Post by: dominique on September 18, 2012, 05:48:51 AM
I agree an actual poll would be unbecoming, but I think LW was soliciting thoughts and a general consensus for what we should do.  This is how problems get solved.  It's like how a jury arrives at a conclusion, not a democracy where whoever is 'popular' wins (like what jews & Israel want since they control the media)...

Yes, I understand that he's not necessarily going to take an actual poll. But I felt I needed to make myself clear on some of the negative outcomes such a process can produce.
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Post by: dominique on September 18, 2012, 05:53:29 AM
Well, you could give him his own circus side show board where people could go to mock him and throw things at him and poke him with sticks between the  bars.  Thats' what I did with _______ when I had my PrezBoxing forum.  I thought it was good for a cheap laugh.

Or, LW could just give him a label that makes clear what he is from the outset, like perhaps instead of that military rank thingy. Something like "Dedicated Zionist" or "Israel-firster" or something. Not anything insulting, just factual.

I remember Joe giving me some rather unbecoming title when he banned me (unfairly) on the old NOLAJBS forum.

BTW, I see that now I am a "Brigadier" on this forum. Hey LW, any way to change that to, "Equal Opportunity Destroyer"? I'd rather prefer that. ;)

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Post by: Railroad Bum on September 18, 2012, 06:34:42 AM
Or, LW could just give him a label that makes clear what he is from the outset, like perhaps instead of that military rank thingy. Something like "Dedicated Zionist" or "Israel-firster" or something. Not anything insulting, just factual.

I remember Joe giving me some rather unbecoming title when he banned me (unfairly) on the old NOLAJBS forum.

BTW, I see that now I am a "Brigadier" on this forum. Hey LW, any way to change that to, "Equal Opportunity Destroyer"? I'd rather prefer that. ;)

Why all the military designations here anyway?  I'm antiwar.  War is a racket.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on September 18, 2012, 06:53:14 AM
Why all the military designations here anyway?  I'm antiwar.  War is a racket.

Yeah... I should change the 'ranks'. Other things have gotten in the way. Suggestions? If anyone has any post in 'The Forum'. Need titles and .jpegs
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Post by: dominique on September 18, 2012, 10:12:13 AM
Why all the military designations here anyway?  I'm antiwar.  War is a racket.

Ditto.
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Post by: dominique on September 18, 2012, 10:20:18 AM
Yeah... I should change the 'ranks'. Other things have gotten in the way. Suggestions? If anyone has any post in 'The Forum'. Need titles and .jpegs

What about Star Trek's Starfleet ranks, or those of Star Wars' "Galactic Republic"? ;D ;D just kidding. Although on a fictional note, I kinda like the graphic portion of John Titor's logo. Kinda reminds me of Charles Rennie Mackintosh designs, or Frank Lloyd Wrights window designs.

We could make it in different colors, with a different motto or no motto

(http://technoccult.zippykidcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/john-titor-insignia.jpg)

Just a thought. Be better to do something original though

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Post by: dominique on September 18, 2012, 10:22:21 AM
Oops, guess I should have posted that last one post in "The Forum." Is there a thread for it?
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Rudi Jan on September 18, 2012, 11:53:08 AM
Oops, guess I should have posted that last one post in "The Forum." Is there a thread for it?

No. Hadn't made one.

Go for it.  :)
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Post by: dominique on September 19, 2012, 03:39:48 PM
No. Hadn't made one.

Go for it.  :)

I've been thinking about this and honestly, do we really need to have a ranking system? It doesn't mean anything anyway, does it? I kinda thought ranking was for when people rate each other's posts like on some boards, and the people with higher "rank" carry more weight in their rating of others. Not that I'm a real big fan of the "reputation" system either - it's too anonymous. Other readers doesn't know from whence a person's "rep" came from (i.e., who voted up or down for them).

Isn't just listing number of posts enough?

That said, I wouldn't mind seeing Jelly "branded" with some sort of non-offensive label that gets across that he's the resident pro-Zionist/jew-defender.
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Post by: wag on September 19, 2012, 05:46:46 PM
I've been thinking about this and honestly, do we really need to have a ranking system? It doesn't mean anything anyway, does it? I kinda thought ranking was for when people rate each other's posts like on some boards, and the people with higher "rank" carry more weight in their rating of others. Not that I'm a real big fan of the "reputation" system either - it's too anonymous. Other readers doesn't know from whence a person's "rep" came from (i.e., who voted up or down for them).

Isn't just listing number of posts enough?

That said, I wouldn't mind seeing Jelly "branded" with some sort of non-offensive label that gets across that he's the resident pro-Zionist/jew-defender.

Stop all this talk, I'm close to being a charter member like Laconas, the grandiose.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on September 19, 2012, 06:35:18 PM
Stop all this talk, I'm close to being a charter member like Laconas, the grandiose.

What do you win when you get there? A year's supply of moldy Lender's bagels?

Sorry, I just think the "ranking" thing is redundant. Only based on number of posts which anybody can see.
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Post by: EyeBelieve on September 19, 2012, 06:43:51 PM
What do you win when you get there? A year's supply of moldy Lender's bagels?

Sorry, I just think the "ranking" thing is redundant. Only based on number of posts which anybody can see.

Mebbe it could be on legal ranks:  Juris Doctor, public defender, DA, state AG, Court of Appeals judge, Supreme Court justice...(since lawyering is DC's biggest industry after MIC).  Really though I like current system. 
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on September 19, 2012, 07:00:39 PM
  Really though I like current system.

Curious what you like about it?

Hey - what about belt colors like martial arts. I guess that means Laconas is beyond-black-belt Sensei?
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Post by: laconas on September 19, 2012, 08:35:35 PM
I've been thinking about this and honestly, do we really need to have a ranking system? It doesn't mean anything anyway, does it? I kinda thought ranking was for when people rate each other's posts like on some boards, and the people with higher "rank" carry more weight in their rating of others. Not that I'm a real big fan of the "reputation" system either - it's too anonymous. Other readers doesn't know from whence a person's "rep" came from (i.e., who voted up or down for them).

Isn't just listing number of posts enough?

That said, I wouldn't mind seeing Jelly "branded" with some sort of non-offensive label that gets across that he's the resident pro-Zionist/jew-defender.

Yes, it's the best system. :)

(Others would be ahead of me but they changed their handles.)
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: EyeBelieve on September 19, 2012, 09:36:08 PM
Curious what you like about it?

Hey - what about belt colors like martial arts. I guess that means Laconas is beyond-black-belt Sensei?

Belt colors not as familiar as military rankings.  Plus the scheme is nicely ironic considering that FPers are anti-MIC though I guess pro-militia somewhat.  I don't usually notice the rankings, probably more noticeable to lurkers.  Helps them follow the scheme & tone of things more than simple # of posts.  IMHO don't fix what ain't broken.
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Post by: OldTimes on September 20, 2012, 10:05:59 PM
Okay, how about some scheme where we use such terms as "sovereign", "master", and "grandmaster".

...perhaps start with "lurker", "student".  No idea what to fill in the blanks with.
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Post by: Railroad Bum on September 21, 2012, 06:06:08 AM
Okay, how about some scheme where we use such terms as "sovereign", "master", and "grandmaster".

...perhaps start with "lurker", "student".  No idea what to fill in the blanks with.


As Dominique said earlier, I think all those names are redundant.  What's the point? If you want to see how many posts someone's made you can just look at the number. 

Other more important issues here have never been addressed - too many boards, too many perma-sticky threads, etc.  I've mentioned them before.
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Post by: gelignite on September 30, 2012, 10:54:35 AM
Although I too respect LW's decision - it's his forum, and he makes the rules. Hell, I was banned for less than that - don't believe I ever called anyone here a "worthless piece of shit" - but I didn't have a problem with it. No hard feelings.

I prolly shouldn't have said what I said... bad form, and all.

But, then again, I've been called as much (if not worse) by other members of this forum. People have even called for my death (i.e., the termination of my life functions) - with never a *single* word of admonishment by forum admin to the offending parties, as far as I can see. Ever.


And yet, for me, it's an *instant* two weeks in the hole.

Obviously, there are different standards at work for different people. Which is fine. As you say, it's LW's forum, and he can run it however he sees fit. No one has to participate here, after all.
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Post by: gelignite on September 30, 2012, 11:14:29 AM
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That's exactly what he did when he zeroed in on OldTimes' "only one jew died at the WTC on 9/11" comment. Wasted three pages debating OT and WW about how many jews died at the WTC…

I see it quite differently. To me, it was *OT* who wasted the three pages clinging to his "only-1-jew-died-in-9/11" claim like a dog with a bone. It's a claim that is not only morally sickening (imo, which is one of the reasons I went at him so hard), but it is, in fact, demonstrably false, as you yourself seemed to agree. Remember that when I said that "scores (possibly hundreds) of Jews were killed on 9/11", you said, "I gotta agree with [gelignite] on this one".

Well, OT and I cannot both be correct on this one, dom. One of us or the other is repeating a lie.

And what's truly astonishing to me is how neither you nor anyone else is blaming OT in the slightest for wasting three whole pages clinging to what you (and others) *know* to be a lie, but, rather, it is I who is being castigated because I took up so much bandwidth attempting to refute OT's demonstrably false assertion. Instead of beating OT over the head for steadfastly refusing to let go of such a ridiculous and easily-refutable claim, you and the rest are instead labeling me as a disruptor who is trolling the forum to its possible detriment.

How does that work, exactly?

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Whether there were actually hundreds of jews that worked there and actually had the foreknowledge to call off work that day - which just sounds a bit unbelieveable anyway… whatever the case may be…

I don't agree with the oft-repeated philosophy which dictates that if only *half* of everything being asserted is the truth, then such is more than enough to warrant a re-examination of the events (and thus the "larger picture", etc., etc.).

If only half of what is being asserted is the truth, then it follows that the other half is a lie. And so *all* of it, as well as those who are presenting it, becomes thusly suspect.

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I'm sure Skunk would win a poll like this by a landslide, but I clearly remember you stating that you would have gotten rid of him long ago if he weren't so popular. (Personally, I think in many ways he's a far more damaging troll to this forum than Jelly. When it comes to distraction, undermining a mostly-credible story with some ridiculous shtick, etc, Skunk certainly does much more to create an unserious, over-the-top jew-bashing atmosphere here.

Sure he does. And yet, it appears that Skunk is among the most-valued and popular members of this forum.


What does this tell you?
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Post by: gelignite on September 30, 2012, 11:40:27 AM
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In gelignite's case he continually attempts to turn back the clock on all the issues by denying even the least disputable details, which just throws us back a decade.

The notion that only one Jew died in the 9/11 attacks is a very highly-disputable "detail".

As is the notion that 4000 Israelis were absent from work at the WTC on the day of the attacks.

Or the claim that the "dancing Israelis" had their cameras trained on the Twin Towers before the the first plane impacted.

Or the suggestion that, in fact, no planes ever hit the buildings at all.


So if anyone is throwing you "back a decade", I would submit it's the people who continually post this long-debunked and easily-refutable nonsense.

Not me.

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Moreover he habitually focuses on the most minor of details…

I only focus on the "details" that other people on this forum are posting, LW. I'm not setting any traps, nor am I engaging in any tricks in order to get others to make such ridiculous claims (as above).

They post these "details" freely and of their own accord. I respond to them. That is all.

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…or reiterating the official story as if it were gospel, sidetracking the main theme time and time again.

I don't think that one can tackle the "main theme" to which you refer without first inspecting the underpinnings being used to support it. And that's all I'm doing here - examining the evidence being put forth by various members of this forum to support the notion that Israel (or agents thereof) perpetrated the 9/11 attacks.

If this is something that you don't want happening on your forum (i.e., if you think that this constitutes trolling, or distraction, or whathaveyou), then I would suggest that you take decisive action. There's no need for you to conduct a "poll". It's your forum. Simply make a command decision, and then act upon it.

Do what you will. I only ask that you allow me to continue to access the search functions (much as these last couple of weeks). There are some interesting exchanges with past members I would like to re-visit from time to time.

It would be much appreciated.
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Post by: OldTimes on September 30, 2012, 11:42:59 AM
Well, OT and I cannot both be correct on this one, dom. One of us or the other is repeating a lie.

Well it really just depends on what the truth is, doesn't it?

The truth is, I don't know for sure if it's zero or one jew that died in 9/11.  Or even two or three jews.  I guess it depends somewhat on the definition (i.e. Israeli, bloodline, or just someone with a jewish-sounding name).  My overall point isn't in dispute.  It is you who grabbed onto my statement like a bone.

My definition of a jew is one whose perception of Truth isn't based on reality, but on what the tribe says.  What's important to the jew isn't truth, but what he can get someone to believe.  It is obvious this is where you are coming from.

So again, I leave it to our readers and members to figure out what the truth is.  I agree it is morally sickening to engage traitors and liars when lives are on the line.  All one has to do is read this thread to see who is taking advantage of others' politeness.  But I still have hope that it might just help others see the struggle more clearly by examining these threads and your tactics.
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Post by: gelignite on September 30, 2012, 11:53:38 AM
The truth is, I don't know for sure if it's zero or one jew that died in 9/11.  Or even two or three jews.

Or even a dozen.

Or fifty or sixty.

Or several hundred.

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My overall point isn't in dispute.

I would beg to differ.
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Post by: jacob gold on September 30, 2012, 01:12:51 PM
Kenneth Feinstool was the payout master at the WTC

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/08/26/article-2193818-00494DCD00000258-859_306x346.jpg)



 Plenty of jews died at the WTC - Whom do you think got the $7 billion

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Post by: Sue on September 30, 2012, 01:50:55 PM
Kenneth Feinstool was the payout master at the WTC

Plenty of jews died at the WTC - Whom do you think got the $7 billion

And here I thought that many of them had the day off...
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Post by: wag on September 30, 2012, 01:53:37 PM
Or even a dozen.

Or fifty or sixty.

Or several hundred.

I would beg to differ.

I would bet that a large majority of the jews who reported died on 9-11, are either living luxuriously now or they never existed in the first place.
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Post by: Sue on September 30, 2012, 02:41:42 PM
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/pages/israel/were-4000-jews-told-to-stay-home-on-911.htm

They must have bought David Duke, or was he always like this? ...scroll down... Geli will LOVE THIS!
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Post by: jacob gold on September 30, 2012, 04:57:57 PM
And here I thought that many of them had the day off...


Aren't you a hoot!!!!

 I had three brothers killed that day. Larry was on the 68th floor and the first jet crashed into his office. Moe was on the 120th floor and leaped to his death holding 12 Jewish babies - his body acted as an air bag, and the babies lived. My other brother Curly ran up 95 floors seven times and rescued 14 goyim - one on each shoulder. He was in the lobby when the building collapsed.

I bet that 2800 of the 3000 dead were Jews. Sure we were paid, but whats a life worth?
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Post by: Railroad Bum on September 30, 2012, 05:28:23 PM
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/pages/israel/were-4000-jews-told-to-stay-home-on-911.htm

They must have bought David Duke, or was he always like this? ...scroll down... Geli will LOVE THIS!

What does Dr David Duke have to do with that glatt kosher Judeo-Christian garbage, Sushi, other than the fact that they put his name on the same page in order to try and vilify him?

Jews died on 911; Israhellies didn't - other than the two very mysterious characters on the planes, namely airplane commandeering specialist Daniel Lewin and Ms. Avraham.

They change the terminology to suit the occasion.

Dr Alan Sabrosky, former Director of Strategic Studies at the US Army War College: “It is 100 percent certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. Period. If Americans ever know that Israel did this, they are going to scrub them off the earth.”



ww nee RRB

Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Sue on September 30, 2012, 07:14:38 PM
What does Dr David Duke have to do with that glatt kosher garbage, Sushi, other than the fact that they put his name on the same page in order to try and vilify him?

Don't shoot the messenger, I just shared what I saw, but it did not dawn on me that the intention was to vilify him.

I was looking for something entirely different and up pops the website in question. So you can imagine when I saw Dr. Duke's name, naturally I was surprised and shared it because this website looked rather strange to me.

David Duke:

"Jews are the main criminals behind the attack on the World Trade Center on 911, Oklahoma City Federal Building bombing as well as public transportation terrorist acts in London and Spain. Jews brought the United states into World War I and World War II and are now fomenting the beginning of World War III via an economic collapse of the world economy.

The Iraq wars have been done for Jew control of Iraqi oil so they can get a new pipeline to Haifa, Israel. The Afghanistan War is for Jew control of the huge opium poppy crop. The world is now being brought to its knees by the huge debt in the 10's of Trillions of dollars brought about by the Jew tactic of Usury."

(http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/images/antisemitism/david-duke-jewish-supremacism.jpg)

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Dr Alan Sabrosky, former Director of Strategic Studies at the US Army War College: “It is 100 percent certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. Period. If Americans ever know that Israel did this, they are going to scrub them off the earth.”

Of course this was a Mossad Operation, we all thought this right from the very beginning.
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Post by: EyeBelieve on September 30, 2012, 08:20:36 PM
I would bet that a large majority of the jews who reported died on 9-11, are either living luxuriously now or they never existed in the first place.

Fuehrer EB recommends reading his posts about 7/7 to learn more about synthetic personalities, faked injuries & deaths.  ZOG Britain claims 58 deaths from 4 bombs:  a minor problem is that bombs didn't use shrapnel which is std practice for real terror bombs.  No way to kill that many with rucksack bombs sans shrapnel.

Personally I have no idea how many jews died on 9/11.  Unlike most false-flags 9/11 was a rather messy & multi-faceted deal.  I don't trust Gelignite's ZOG sources but OTOH keeping all jews and/or Israelis out of 9/11 might have risked premature exposure.  Could very well be that 9/11 plotters deliberately killed at least some jews to solidly rope the Tribe into the new GWOT.  I don't buy into the idea that jews always move heaven & earth to save fellow jews when they have bigger fish to fry.

Plus the Odigo warning, Dancing Israelis, Israeli art student/spies...too pat to think JMSM put out all that stuff shortly after 9/11 in a burst of free press.  Israel obviously made the the villain for alt-netizens; PTB took a kernel of truth & expanded it into a typically simplistic explanation.
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Post by: Railroad Bum on October 01, 2012, 06:16:08 AM
Don't shoot the messenger, I just shared what I saw, but it did not dawn on me that the intention was to vilify him.

I was looking for something entirely different and up pops the website in question. So you can imagine when I saw Dr. Duke's name, naturally I was surprised and shared it because this website looked rather strange to me.

...


It happens to the best of us, Soosh.  We can't read everything and some things strike the eye and fool us - and those bums on that particular judeo-christian zio-website seem particularly prone to trying that trick, posting pictures of Dr Duke and Learned Elders of Zion books etc & etc.

If you like you could delete your original post and I could delete my "irate" response, except due to the stoopid time limit edit feature here I guess you'll have to do both.

As you know, I have been trying to tell people that the official 911 story is a pack of ridiculous lies and nonsense that hold no water and make no sense right from day one. 



rrb
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Post by: Sue on October 01, 2012, 10:15:51 AM

It happens to the best of us, Soosh.  We can't read everything and some things strike the eye and fool us - and those bums on that particular judeo-christian zio-website seem particularly prone to trying that trick, posting pictures of Dr Duke and Learned Elders of Zion books etc & etc.

If you like you could delete your original post and I could delete my "irate" response, except due to the stoopid time limit edit feature here I guess you'll have to do both.

As you know, I have been trying to tell people that the official 911 story is a pack of ridiculous lies and nonsense that hold no water and make no sense right from day one. 

rrb

Thanks for the thought. This was an honest exchange, rrb, there is no need to remove the posts. And you are still my friend.  :)
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Post by: Railroad Bum on October 01, 2012, 03:18:02 PM
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Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on October 04, 2012, 06:10:06 AM
Remember that when I said that "scores (possibly hundreds) of Jews were killed on 9/11", you said, "I gotta agree with [gelignite] on this one".

Stop selectively quoting me. I said that I "agreed" with you, but FOR A DIFFERENT REASON. Here is my whole post:

I gotta agree with the resident zio-troll on this one, but for a different reason. It's simply a statistical impossibility that on jew-run-and-infested Wall Street and the financial industry in general, there would only be one single jew trapped in the world's two largest buildings that happen to be located in that district and house multiple financial(racketeering) firms.

Personally, I think the "how many jews died in the 9/11 attacks" is a minor hair-splitting issue that diverts from the larger picture and more important issues. Which is exactly why a diversionist champ like Jelly will take up argument with it and waste everyone's time and bandwidth.

Get it, now? Yes, of course you do, but by continuing to focus on this hair-splitting detail of little consequence, you are simply continuing the MO that I called you out on, above in red. They let you back in and you just pick right up where you left off.

Edit to add:  BTW, I also said somewhere on this thread that you would EXPECT jews to sacrifice some of their own, NOT spare them all. Too obvious, too difficult. Some are going to have to "take one for the team" in a disaster of this order of magnitude.




It's a claim that is not only morally sickening (imo, which is one of the reasons I went at him so hard)

"Morally sickening"?? Why? Let me guess: Because it hurts you to think that the Tribe might be cohesive enough to pull off such a thing? That being: to inform their own people that disaster was coming, or maybe just simply advising their people not to go to work that day? That is "morally sickening" to you, to contemplate?

Or is it the fact that one thing we DO know, regardless of jewish attendance at the WTC at 8-10 am on September 11, 2001, is that Israel DID have foreknowledge that there was a plan afoot. AGAIN - I repeat the link I posted earlier:

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2005/08/31/israel-and-911-new-report-connects-the-dots/
http://www.antiwar.com/rep2/MemorandumtotheCommissionandSelectCommitteesbold.pdf

Last four pages of the PDF show maps that illustrate the DEA's findings concerning Israeli spies tailing the purported 9/11 hijackers.  How many times do I need to go over this? Israel had foreknowledge of the attacks. Period. It's not ENTIRELY impossible that they could have alerted as many jews and/or Israelis as possible about the impending "attacks," but it IS statistically improbable, regardless of any notification, that "only one" would die. That was my point.


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And what's truly astonishing to me is how neither you nor anyone else is blaming OT in the slightest for wasting three whole pages...

Oh, really?  ::) Umm, please re-read my post that I politely re-posted above for your reference. See where I say, "Personally, I think the "how many jews died in the 9/11 attacks" is a minor hair-splitting issue that diverts from the larger picture and more important issues"? A point that I re-iterated later on the thread, as well? Basically, I'm dressing down ALL of you that would waste time on this minor issue. Actually, I'm dressing down not only OT but also Werewolf, more than I am you, for them falling into your trap. Which is that they LET you waste our time and bandwidth over stupid bullshit.

As far as OT and his hangup with the "only one jew died in the 9/11 attacks"....well, that's not the first time I've seen OT cling inexplicably to something that has little proof, basis in fact, or rational sense. There have been a few other occasions, but I no longer remember the specifics. All I can say is that each time it surprised me, coming from what seems to be an otherwise rational person, and it also surprised me that someone who actually believes some of these blatantly improbable things, with no regard for backing up his opinion with any locatable facts, would be made a moderator/admin. But hey, obviously a lot's happened since Joe kicked me off of NOLAJBS years ago and I rarely read the forum for a long time. Then LW finally invites me to come back once he's in charge, and I see this "Old Times" person I've never even seen before, and he's already a mod. Whatever. Gotta find the folks who have the time, I guess. LW's forum, and all that. At least I can thank Goddess that Skunk isn't a mod.  ;D

(blah, blah, blah...)

Sure he does. And yet, it appears that Skunk is among the most-valued and popular members of this forum.


If only LW would just limit Skunk's postings to that little sandbox he created for him called "Skunk's Place," instead of allowing him to clutter up the News and General boards with his stupid random fluff pieces on various individuals, with the typically-baseless, un-cited assertions or implications that said person is a kike.

What's particularly infuriating to me about Skunk's above MO as I've described it, is that often I find him posting this garbage very soon if not IMMEDIATELY after I, personally, have been making posts. It's like he's trying to bury and distract from what I myself have to say. A kind of damage-control. I'm not trying to be immodest here or say that I am the only one he does this to - but it's simply happened too many times to be a coincidence. This is particularly why I'd like to see him confined to his own section of the forum. The way I see it, it's a win-win: Skunk stays and his fans are happy, and the rest of us don't have to deal with him pissing on the topics that WE post, or posting BS threads that are just diversionary.

The fact is, critically-thinking people like me, who are also bold and straight-up enough to call out Skunk (and you, for that matter) on his bullshit, frighten the hell out of him.

And you.


Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on October 04, 2012, 06:14:22 AM

Do what you will. I only ask that you allow me to continue to access the search functions (much as these last couple of weeks). There are some interesting exchanges with past members I would like to re-visit from time to time.


Is that why I saw you looking at my profile several times, when browsing the "who is online" page? Yippee. I have a stalker. ::)

Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on October 04, 2012, 06:45:22 AM
Could very well be that 9/11 plotters deliberately killed at least some jews to solidly rope the Tribe into the new GWOT.  I don't buy into the idea that jews always move heaven & earth to save fellow jews when they have bigger fish to fry.

Exactly. I don't either. Like I said in my above post: "you would EXPECT jews to sacrifice some of their own, NOT spare them all. Too obvious, too difficult. Some are going to have to "take one for the team" in a disaster of this order of magnitude."
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on October 04, 2012, 07:24:40 AM


What's particularly infuriating to me about Skunk's above MO as I've described it, is that often I find him posting this garbage very soon if not IMMEDIATELY after I, personally, have been making posts. It's like he's trying to bury and distract from what I myself have to say. A kind of damage-control. I'm not trying to be immodest here or say that I am the only one he does this to - but it's simply happened too many times to be a coincidence. This is particularly why I'd like to see him confined to his own section of the forum. The way I see it, it's a win-win: Skunk stays and his fans are happy, and the rest of us don't have to deal with him pissing on the topics that WE post, or posting BS threads that are just diversionary.

See what I mean? http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=24320.msg232821#msg232821
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on October 04, 2012, 07:35:22 AM
Well it really just depends on what the truth is, doesn't it?

The truth is, I don't know for sure if it's zero or one jew that died in 9/11.  Or even two or three jews.  I guess it depends somewhat on the definition (i.e. Israeli, bloodline, or just someone with a jewish-sounding name). 

So, that's the "real truth," then? Then why did you make the following post, throwing it out there as if it were fact? Really irresponsible of you, if I may say so:

(snip)

Other faces seem vaguely familiar, mostly jewish, which is odd because only 1 jew died in 9/11, and I'm starting to even wonder if that...
(snip)

You have to stop leaving yourself open to attacks from Jelly like this. Personally,  I don't open my mouth to say anything about 9/11 (or most anything, for that matter) unless I KNOW I can back it up as FACT. If it's not fact, but a possibility or probability, I clarify it as that. Otherwise, I risk being written off as unserious or an outright liar.

The only assertion I can't adequately back up concerning 9/11, is my claim that Flight 93 was shot down, and that is due to privacy reasons of the folks I've talked to who have firsthand knowledge of this fact. I can state what I know, but I won't divulge others' personal info, and people will either trust me, based on my previous posting history, or they won't. But they SURE as hell won't trust me if I start posting unsupported assertions - which sound statistically improbable to begin with - like, "only one jew died on 9/11." As they say, you reap what you sow. We'll be hearing about this from Jelly for YEARS, I kid you not. I'm sure he's got your post bookmarked to throw in your face somewhere down the road when you ARE making a supported and/or believable point, just to discredit you. Another part of his MO, in case you hadn't figured it out already. He already set the stage with that last post to you.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on October 04, 2012, 07:46:37 AM

Jews died on 911; Israhellies didn't


Perhaps I missed it, but do you have proof of this? And were there any Israelis expected to be in the WTC or "Pentagram," to begin with?

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- other than the two very mysterious characters on the planes, namely airplane commandeering specialist Daniel Lewin and Ms. Avraham.

I know Skunk is big on pushing the Lewin/Sayeret Maktal suicide-pilot line, but let's get real here: Do you honestly know of ANY jews - ESPECIALLY at this high level of training and trust - who are suicidal enough to carry out a mission like this? Even that batshit-crazy Baruch Goldstein didn't kill himself during his Purim-re-enacting massacre of Palis at Hebron (like so many mass-murderers do). He kept right on mowing them down until some of them overpowered him and beat him to death.

Also, I think it was you who previously mentioned being aware that jews don't believe in an afterlife; therefore, they take as much as they can from others, during THIS one; and as many of us know, they value their own bodies so much (to be resurrected, later), that they won't even donate their own organs upon death.

And BTW, isn't taking one's life the ultimate sin in the jewish world, per the Talmud or something?

I would say, based on the above, that it seems highly unlikely that an accomplished pilot like Lewin, or anyone else of his rank and esteem, would decide to forfeit his life for the Tribe. Unless........he/others was/were brainwashed into doing it. Is that possibly your line of reasoning to justify his actions?
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on October 04, 2012, 07:52:42 AM
Stop selectively quoting me. I said that I "agreed" with you, but FOR A DIFFERENT REASON.

Whatever.

Is the notion that "only one Jew died" a LIE or is it not?

This isn't that complicated, dom.

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"Morally sickening"?? Why?

Because there are hundreds of families out there who are mourning the loss of a loved one. According to OT (and others), they are either faking it or they are being duped, and there are people presumed dead who are sitting on a beach earning 20 percent.


[...wild, unsupported speculation snipped...]

 
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on October 04, 2012, 08:04:08 AM
Is that why I saw you looking at my profile several times, when browsing the "who is online" page?

Yours, as well as that of WRS, clayman, Effendi, E.T., New Math... many others from back in the day.

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Yippee. I have a stalker. ::)

Not really.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on October 04, 2012, 08:07:20 AM
Whatever.

Is that notion that "only one Jew died" a LIE or is it not?

This isn't that complicated, dom.

NOW, you can stop being condescending. I don't know if OT's claim that "only one jew died on 9/11" is a lie, a parroting of misinformation, or by some VERY minute chance, the truth. I have yet to see OT or anyone else ever post backup for this assertion.

All I said is that I find it statistically improbable. How many times must I repeat myself before you understand this? Either start reading more carefully, or quit being deliberately obtuse and wasting MY time, now.

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Because there are hundreds of families out there who are mourning the loss of a loved one. According to OT (and others), they are either faking it or they are being duped, and there are people presumed dead who are sitting on a beach earning 20 percent.

Oh, bullshit. You mean to tell me you REALLY care about these likely total strangers to you and their feelings concerning some folks' assertions on this obscure message board? No, I don't think so. It's just an opening for you to troll.

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[...wild, unsupported speculation snipped...]

Fuck you and your insults. Quit writing off my posts as "wild, unsupported speculation." Or else, tell me WHERE that is true, you troll.

I will post that memorandum again and again if I need to. http://www.antiwar.com/rep2/MemorandumtotheCommissionandSelectCommitteesbold.pdf

YOU are the one who keeps quoting our government stooges and their "official story" about 9/11. Why do you ALSO not respect our government's DEA in reporting that Israeli spies were following the alleged 9/11 hijackers for MONTHS before the attacks? This is not "wild, unsupported speculation." It's documented fact that, unlike the motive to "cover up" aspects of 9/11 after the fact, doubfully had any ulterior or sinister motive to be reported by the DEA other than national security. And was lost in the shuffle - or deliberately ignored, it would seem - in the miasma of agency miscommunication that existed between ALL bureaus, as we have learned.

Not to mention, Nat'l Security Advisor Rice's memorandum to Bush that there was an impending attack (claiming al-CIAda/bin-Laden as the potential perps)? Do you believe THAT and not the DEA? Why can't BOTH be true? (OBL being a CIA creation and all, anyway)

Such cherry-picking. At least try to be consistent in your trolling. But that would undermine your shilling, I suppose....
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on October 04, 2012, 08:11:53 AM
Yours, as well as that of WRS, clayman, Effendi, E.T., New Math... many others from back in the day.

Not really.

Speaking of clayman, I went to the muslimamerica site awhile back and saw that someone - him, perhaps - seems to be archiving posts of WRS. Therefore I suppose it's redundant of me to create a blog for it as I had suggested on another thread.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on October 04, 2012, 08:23:22 AM
NOW, you can stop being condescending. I don't know if OT's claim that "only one jew died on 9/11" is a lie, a parroting of misinformation, or by some VERY minute chance, the truth.

Heh... Well, you be sure and let me know when you decide upon which euphemism you're gonna go with, k dom?

Have a nice day.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on October 04, 2012, 08:44:47 AM
Heh... Well, you be sure and let me know when you decide upon which euphemism you're gonna go with, k dom?



ONCE AGAIN....if you have read my posts, you can see that this is what I've been saying all along. "Euphemism"? That's a flat-out red herring, not to mention a falsehood.

Not only that, you keep truncating my quoted posts, so as to skew the message. I followed your above quote with "I have yet to see OT or anyone else ever post backup for this assertion. All I said is that I find it statistically improbable. "

That's not a "euphemism," in case you were wondering. It's a logical conclusion to come to ("statistical improbability") base on lack of evidence to the contrary.

To the mods: I submit that Jelly's OBVIOUSLY DELIBERATE obtuseness is somewhere in the neighborhood of trolling. Again.



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Have a nice day.

Yep, that's how you usually behave when you have no argument. Drop a stinkbomb with no relevance or basis, then fuck off.

Typical.



Once again, I win the "debate" (I use that term VERY loosely), but at the loss of my time. Actually, it's nothing close to a rational, challenging debate, it's just repeating myself and the facts over and over while you keep trying to twist them into something else.

Thanks for another great lesson for the class, Skinner rat.

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Post by: gelignite on October 04, 2012, 12:25:25 PM
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"Euphemism"?

Yes dom, euphemism. As in, the substitution of a neutral, inoffensive expression in place of one against which someone (e.g., one of your fellow travelers) might take offense.

My position is and always has been that the claim that "only one Jew died" is an out-and-out LIE. It has nothing whatever to do with statistical probabilities or wild, unsupported speculation as to what it is that "the tribe" might or might not be capable of. I have steadfastly maintained that the notion is, in and of itself, demonstrably false.

Earlier, you said, "I gotta agree with [gelignite] on this one…"

Well, you can't have it both ways, dom. You either agree with me that the notion is false (i.e., a lie), or you do not.

I am aware that you had your own "reason" for the position you took. It is, however, immaterial to the question I'm asking you now.

And, for that matter, let's take a look what else you said earlier in this thread:

You (earlier): "It's simply a statistical impossibility…"

If OT's earlier statement is not possible (for whatever "reason" you care to cite), then it follows that the claim is false. As in, not true, a lie, etc. No two ways about it. Such is the position you effectively took earlier when you said that you agreed with me.

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I followed your above quote with "I have yet to see OT or anyone else ever post backup for this assertion. All I said is that I find it statistically improbable."

Now, it seems, you're allowing for the possibility (however slight) that OT's claim is true.

This is what's known as a "backpedal".

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To the mods: I submit that Jelly's OBVIOUSLY DELIBERATE obtuseness is somewhere in the neighborhood of trolling. Again.

You're the one who is now bending yourself into pretzel-like contortions in an attempt to maintain appearances. You won't admit that OT's claim was a lie (your programming apparently won't allow it), so you resort to carefully crafted euphemisms such as "parroting of misinformation" to describe what it is that OT is doing. And then you won't commit to knowing whether he's doing even that.

You're all over the place, dom.

First you say that you agree with me. Then you say that you "don't know".

You state that OT's claim is a statistical "impossibility". Then you subsequently allow that it might actually be the truth.

Right foot blue, left hand red. Spin the dial.


And yet you say *I'm* the one who's trolling?

Hoo, that's rich.

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Once again, I win the "debate"...

I hardly see how this amounts to any sort of victory on your part. Once again, you've demonstrated the lengths you will dance around an issue to avoid making a concession of any sort, lest you give the appearance of siding with "Jelly" on any point whatsoever.

I'm not the one who's causing this to happen. The music is all in your head.

Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on October 04, 2012, 02:36:11 PM
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I also said somewhere on this thread that you would EXPECT jews to sacrifice some of their own, NOT spare them all. Too obvious, too difficult. Some are going to have to "take one for the team" in a disaster of this order of magnitude.

This is just like a comedy sketch…

The argument up to this point (essentially): "Jews were forewarned about the 9/11 attacks. Only one Jew died that day, after all. The rest got out of harm's way ahead of time. Because, you know… they were all forewarned."

Rebuttal: "But that's not true. In fact, scores (if not hundreds) of Jews were killed in the 9/11 attacks. We know this because (among other things) of all the Jewish funeral services that took place. It's all a matter of public record."

Argument: "Lies, all lies! Everyone knows that you can't trust the 'public record', or anything else in the 'jew-run' media."

Rebuttal: "The 'jew-run' media… Say, isn't that the same source you cited for your other claim about the 4000 Israelis who supposedly missed work at the WTC on 9/11, and that whole other thing about the 'dancing Israelis'?"

Argument: "Yeah. So what's your point?"

Rebuttal: "Uhm, you just said..."

Argument 2 suddenly chimes in to the rescue (essentially): "Look, all this talk about 'how many Jews died' is just meaningless and diversionary hair-splitting. Don't get caught in Jelly's trap. Besides, you would expect Jews to sacrifice some of their own, and not spare them all… a disaster of this order of magnitude."

Rebuttal: "So you're saying the fact that *many* Jews died in the 9/11 attacks… is also evidence that they were forewarned?"

Argument 2: "Well, it certainly doesn't prove that they weren't forewarned."


And 'round and 'round we go.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: OldTimes on October 04, 2012, 03:18:06 PM
Dominique,

There are other women in my life who like to push emotional "hot-buttons" to get what they want.  I tend to handle them only when necessary, by giving them what they deserve which may or may not always be what they want.

In your rambling, I notice you are a good "hot-button" operator,  but in so doing you also get many things factually wrong.  Facts and truth are 2ndary, which also fits the familiar pattern.

As far as "only one jew died in 9/11", I only casually mentioned this.  I would be perfectly willing to take it back, if I didn't believe it was true.

The only 'coincidence' I see is yet another politically sensitive thread that ends with you and gelignite arguing endlessly over BS.  You want people to stop reading, and I'm afraid you'll succeed.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Rudi Jan on October 04, 2012, 06:57:50 PM
As far as "only one jew died in 9/11", I only casually mentioned this.  I would be perfectly willing to take it back, if I didn't believe it was true.

You would have been more accurate to say 'Israeli' rather than jew. Apparently only one Israeli died in the towers and two on the planes. Israeli leadership claimed 4000 Israelis had died. And Gelignite is all worried about the confusion over a obscure fact vs. the outright Israeli lie of 4000 killed? A little balance is in order Gelignite.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: EyeBelieve on October 04, 2012, 07:19:20 PM
You would have been more accurate to say 'Israeli' rather than jew. Apparently only one Israeli died in the towers and two on the planes. Israeli leadership claimed 4000 Israelis had died. And Gelignite is all worried about the confusion over a obscure fact vs. the outright Israeli lie of 4000 killed? A little balance is in order Gelignite.

After all, Israelis lie all the time about "injuries" from "Palestinian rockets".  They claim "shock" as an injury since very few actually scratched:

Wiki:  During the 2008–2009 conflict, schools and universities in southern Israel closed due to rocket threats.[124] Hamas rockets landed on Israeli educational facilities several times (such as empty schools in Beersheba[125][126]) from 2008 to 2009, with no casualties as of January 15, except for cases of shock.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on October 06, 2012, 09:08:39 AM
Israeli leadership claimed 4000 Israelis had died.

When did anyone claim that 4000 Israelis died? Got a cite for this?

A story was reported that there were about 4000 Israelis who were "believed" to have been in the "area" of the WTC and the Pentagon who, as of the day after the attack, were still out of contact with friends and family (i.e., were declared "missing").

That story got transmogrified into the oft-repeated claim that "4000 Israelis" were mysteriously absent from work at the WTC on the day of the attack, which is, of course, utter nonsense.

In any event, I don't recall ever seeing a claim (by anyone) that 4000 Israelis had died. According to what's been reported, there were five Israeli nationals who lost their lives in the attack.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Rudi Jan on October 06, 2012, 10:31:12 AM
When did anyone claim that 4000 Israelis died? Got a cite for this?

A story was reported that there were about 4000 Israelis who were "believed" to have been in the "area" of the WTC and the Pentagon who, as of the day after the attack, were still out of contact with friends and family (i.e., were declared "missing").

That story got transmogrified into the oft-repeated claim that "4000 Israelis" were mysteriously absent from work at the WTC on the day of the attack, which is, of course, utter nonsense.

In any event, I don't recall ever seeing a claim (by anyone) that 4000 Israelis had died. According to what's been reported, there were five Israeli nationals who lost their lives in the attack.

source: http://www.publiceye.org/frontpage/911/Missing_Jews.htm (http://www.publiceye.org/frontpage/911/Missing_Jews.htm)

    The Jerusalem Post (08:15 - Wed) Thousands of Israelis missing near WTC, Pentagon Wednesday September 12, 2001 The Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem has so far received the names of 4,000 Israelis believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the attack.

    The list is made up of people who have not yet made contact with friends or family, Army Radio reported.

    Telephone connections between Israel and the New York City and Washington, D.C. areas has been sporadic and unreliable since the multiple attacks yesterday.

    Ten thousand people are estimated to have been killed in the New York attacks and another 800 in Washington.

    Several hundred also went down with the hijacked planes.

LW - The JP implied that the missing were dead with what they say in their second to last line.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on October 06, 2012, 11:30:45 AM
source: http://www.publiceye.org/frontpage/911/Missing_Jews.htm (http://www.publiceye.org/frontpage/911/Missing_Jews.htm)

    The Jerusalem Post (08:15 - Wed) Thousands of Israelis missing near WTC, Pentagon Wednesday September 12, 2001 The Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem has so far received the names of 4,000 Israelis believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the attack.

    The list is made up of people who have not yet made contact with friends or family, Army Radio reported.

    Telephone connections between Israel and the New York City and Washington, D.C. areas has been sporadic and unreliable since the multiple attacks yesterday.

    Ten thousand people are estimated to have been killed in the New York attacks and another 800 in Washington.

    Several hundred also went down with the hijacked planes.

LW - The JP implied that the missing were dead with what they say in their second to last line.

What they say in that second to last line is but a repetition of what had been widely reported at the time.

What they say in the third to last line (now bolded) is a much stronger implication as to why these 4000 had not yet made contact with family and friends, and it does, in fact, suggest the possibility that they may all still be alive (however incommunicado). This is, I think, where the false claim (that these 4000 Israelis were all absent from work at the WTC) originated... the notion that they had somehow miraculously survived the attack.

In any event, it's still a far cry from your earlier assertion as to what it is that "Israeli leadership" supposedly claimed. As far as I can see, nobody anywhere ever "claimed" that these 4000 Israelis had actually died. At best, one can only draw erroneous inferences from reports in the media.


Anyway, thanks for posting the JP story. It did add some much-needed clarification on the matter.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Rudi Jan on October 06, 2012, 03:21:37 PM
In any event, it's still a far cry from your earlier assertion as to what it is that "Israeli leadership" supposedly claimed. As far as I can see, nobody anywhere ever "claimed" that these 4000 Israelis had actually died. At best, one can only draw erroneous inferences from reports in the media.

If you consider the Israeli ambassador when bringing this concern for the 4000 up with CNN the same day as the attack as a low level operative you would be right. Perhaps you can explain why these Israelis did not show up for work once Israel figured out they weren't missing at all?

Ah, never mind. This is a pebble in a gravel pit.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on October 07, 2012, 09:49:00 AM
Perhaps you can explain why these Israelis did not show up for work once Israel figured out they weren't missing at all?

Whoever said they didn't show up for work?

For that matter, whoever said where any of these 4000 Israelis worked? The JP article only say where they were "believed" to have been. The idea that they worked in or near the WTC is purely an invention of the people from whom you copied the article (i.e., Ed Toner and the like).
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Rudi Jan on October 07, 2012, 11:25:42 AM
Whoever said they didn't show up for work?

For that matter, whoever said where any of these 4000 Israelis worked? The JP article only say where they were "believed" to have been. The idea that they worked in or near the WTC is purely an invention of the people from whom you copied the article (i.e., Ed Toner and the like).

The JP article tells us 4000 Israelis worked in the impact zone. Maybe they ran all the hot dog stands.

and wtf? I copied a JP article which states what IT believes, nm those you name. You are digressing into yet another obscure corner. Watch you don't get too close to edge of the pit with your nose so close to your pocket full of pebbles.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on October 09, 2012, 07:39:08 AM
The JP article tells us 4000 Israelis worked in the impact zone.

No, it does NOT say that. You are somehow inferring that from the article.

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You are digressing into yet another obscure corner.

As I said earlier, I'm not the one who is repeating these false claims.

I am simply responding to them.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Rudi Jan on October 09, 2012, 11:29:36 AM
No, it does NOT say that. You are somehow inferring that from the article.

"Thousands of Israelis missing near WTC"

 ::)

As far as I know people who go there around 9:00 am work there, although, as I recall, Israeli art students did live there for for awhile.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Railroad Bum on October 12, 2012, 04:41:06 AM
Whoever said they didn't show up for work?

For that matter, whoever said where any of these 4000 Israelis worked? The JP article only say where they were "believed" to have been. The idea that they worked in or near the WTC is purely an invention of the people from whom you copied the article (i.e., Ed Toner and the like).


On September 12, 2001, the Internet edition of The Jerusalem Post reported, "The Israeli foreign ministry has collected the names of 4,000 Israelis believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the attack."
 
The Israeli embassy in NY's version differed slightly saying 4,000 Israelis were working in or near the WTC.

The 4,000 Israelis working in or near the WTC was the headline in the 9/12/01 edition of the Jerusalem Post.  They have done their best scouring their archives and the internet to remove all traces of this edition.

The editor of the JP later confirmed the story and said that he had the names of the 4,000 in his possession furnished to him by the foreign office.

JP:

The Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem has so far received the names of 4,000 Israelis believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the attack.

Israeli foreign missions in New York City and Washington are also working overtime to locate missing Israelis. For emergency telephone numbers set up to aid in the search and rescue efforts, click here.


All 4,000 turned up alive and well.  Two israelis died on the planes, one of which was the airplane commandeering expert Lewin, and the other the mysterious Ms Avraham. They don't like to talk about those two very much.

All of the security at the 911 airports was serviced by one Israeli company. Likewise on 7/7 in London.  All of the security cameras at both places were apparently out of service on both days.

"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."


US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli 911 spy ring.

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Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on October 12, 2012, 07:17:50 AM
The Israeli embassy in NY's version differed slightly saying 4,000 Israelis were working in or near the WTC.

The 4,000 Israelis working in or near the WTC was the headline in the 9/12/01 edition of the Jerusalem Post...

Complete and total falsehood. You're simply making things up as you go along.

And you are trolling the thread with this nonsense.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on October 12, 2012, 07:30:05 AM
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As far as I know people who go there around 9:00 am work there, although, as I recall, Israeli art students did live there for for awhile.

The JP article said nothing about what precise time they arrived. It simply said that they were "believed" to have been in those "areas", and that, as of that writing, they had not yet made contact with friends and relatives.

Once again, the JP article said NOTHING about where they worked. People are simply drawing erroneous inferences to this effect.

Others are simply making things up out of thin air.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Rudi Jan on October 12, 2012, 03:11:46 PM
Once again, the JP article said NOTHING about where they worked. People are simply drawing erroneous inferences to this effect.

Conclusions based on logic. Not the nonsense you believe, whatever the hell that is.

One article used as a source and you go anal over the precision of words. This the Jerusalem Post, written in Israel. Don't they speak yiddish over there? They're all so well versed in english that we over here should bow to their wording of things? 4000 Israelis did not show up for work. WHY! Answer that instead of avoiding an answer by your obtuse interpretation contained in one sentence. Deny reality if it helps... you know, like 4000 Israelis did not work in the complex and one block around in all directions. Go ahead. Deny. But for God's sake stop your obfuscation. It's borderline pathetic in terms of reason.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Railroad Bum on October 12, 2012, 05:25:14 PM
Complete and total falsehood. You're simply making things up as you go along.

And you are trolling the thread with this nonsense.

9/12/2001 edition of the Jerusalem Post, headline story:

The Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem has so far received the names of 4,000 Israelis believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the attack.








Why have the Israelis and the Americans scoured this 9/12/2001 edition of the JP from their archives and from the internet, Mr Gelignite?  Why have they tried to erase it from history instead of investigating it and its implications?  Why, Mr Gelignite?

Precisely what else are you accusing me of "making up as I go along", Mr Gelignite?  Precisely what?  I make nothing up.  Unlike you I want to know the truth about everything.


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Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on October 12, 2012, 07:40:37 PM
9/12/2001 edition of the Jerusalem Post, headline story:

The Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem has so far received the names of 4,000 Israelis believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the attack.

Why have the Israelis and the Americans scoured this 9/12/2001 edition of the JP from their archives and from the internet, Mr Gelignite?

Have they? Seems to me that the Internet is rife with excerpts from that particular edition of the JP.

Are you a JP subscriber? Have you attempted to pull up that edition from the archives? Until you have, then I fail to see the basis by which you're suggesting there has been a concerted effort to remove any and all traces of it from the Web.

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...instead of investigating it and its implications?

What implications? As far as I can see (from the excerpts that have been posted), the only conclusion one can draw is that communications in and around the "areas" of the WTC and the Pentagon were spotty in the hours following the attack by Muslim terrorists. Such is the only basis by which any of these Israelis were considered "missing" for a time. The very JP article you've been citing underscores this notion that was also widely reported by other outlets in the MSM.

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Precisely what else are you accusing me of "making up as I go along", Mr Gelignite?

Purportions to the effect that any of these 4000 actually actually worked in the WTC. Suggestions that they were all mysteriously absent from work that day.

There isn't a shred of evidence to this effect. And nothing in the JP article remotely suggests this. For that matter, it is entirely possible that every single one of these 4000 (who were supposed to be at work that day) were sitting at their desks when the attacks occurred. This notion wouldn't be at all inconsistent with that which has been reported in the JP article you've been quoting from.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on October 12, 2012, 08:03:56 PM
4000 Israelis did not show up for work.

There isn't a shred of evidence to support this notion. All the JP article states is that they were "believed" to have been in the "areas" of the WTC and the Pentagon, and that, as of the writing of the article, they had not yet made contact with friends and relatives. Such was the only basis by which any were considered "missing".

The article then goes on to mention the communication problems in those "areas" following the attacks, which would explain the lack of contact.

Nothing at all about where they were employed or if they showed up for work that day.

Do you have any idea how many tens of thousands of Israelis are in those "areas" at any given time? How many of them are going to school? Or visiting relatives? Or just there on vacation (i.e., as a tourist)? Given the communication problems to which the JP article (from which you and others have been liberally quoting) alludes, it's no surprise that a percentage of them would have lost contact with concerned friends and relatives back home, and that those concerned friends and relatives would have made a bit of noise, given the great loss of life at the hands of Islamic extremists.

I think these are some of the areas one should explore before concluding that any Israelis were mysteriously absent from work.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: OldTimes on October 12, 2012, 08:13:11 PM
gelignite sure has a lot to say, considering how long ago he has made up his mind on this subject.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on October 12, 2012, 08:24:04 PM
gelignite sure has a lot to say, considering how long ago he has made up his mind on this subject.

Some people have, by their own admission, made up their minds as to who perpetrated these crimes (i.e., the Jews) the instant the first plane struck the Towers.

And every day thereafter has been but an exercise in fulfillment of that conclusion.


In spite of any and all evidence to the contrary.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: EyeBelieve on October 12, 2012, 09:01:45 PM
Some people have, by their own admission, made up their minds as to who perpetrated these crimes (i.e., the Jews) the instant the first plane struck the Towers.

And every day thereafter has been but an exercise in fulfillment of that conclusion.


In spite of any and all evidence to the contrary.

You like to argue about the mechanics & details of 9/11.  While the gov't/MSM version of such has lots of holes...let's assume it's true?  Then, do you ever consider that "19 Arabs" might have been controlled by powerful gov'ts/groups ostensibly having nothing to do with "Islamic Fundamentalism"? 

You spend much time counter-posting, how about a nice Gelignite's 9/11 Bible & FAQ to help us avoid all the confusion?  Or do you accept the Commission report in it's entirety & thus consider that superfluous?
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: OldTimes on October 12, 2012, 09:18:16 PM
Some people have, by their own admission, made up their minds as to who perpetrated these crimes (i.e., the Jews) the instant the first plane struck the Towers.

And every day thereafter has been but an exercise in fulfillment of that conclusion.


In spite of any and all evidence to the contrary.

Very hypocritical of you.  The media and the govt made up their mind about who was behind the attacks within about 2 hours after the planes hit.  We had names and photos of 19 arabs about an hour later.

It took me until 2003 before I reluctantly accepted it must have been an inside job.  It took me until about 2005-6 before I even considered jews/Israel to have been connected to it as a group.  Too much obfuscation going on (by people like you), and I really didn't want to believe jews were anything but victims.  Whatta scam on America.
And to think jews were welcomed into our country by our naive forefathers.

You can go back to Hell where you belong, with the father of all lies.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: EyeBelieve on October 12, 2012, 10:27:01 PM
Very hypocritical of you.  The media and the govt made up their mind about who was behind the attacks within about 2 hours after the planes hit. We had names and photos of 19 arabs about an hour later.

It took me until 2003 before I reluctantly accepted it must have been an inside job.  It took me until about 2005-6 before I even considered jews/Israel to have been connected to it as a group.  Too much obfuscation going on (by people like you), and I really didn't want to believe jews were anything but victims.  Whatta scam on America.
And to think jews were welcomed into our country by our naive forefathers.

You can go back to Hell where you belong, with the father of all lies.

Heh, I had my mind made up about 3 minutes after watching first video on 9/11:  It was a master-stroke of arch-genius Al Qaeda's Osama.  & whaddya know, both Jew MSM & Jew alt-internet supported the theory that 'Yes Osama dunnit but with just cause...& Israel knew before but kept quiet'. 

Carl Cameron/Fox chimed in with Israeli art student/spies...WaPo/NYTimes kited rumors of absent Israelis, Odigo warnings etc.  IMHO a clever strategy to solely blame Israel & divert attention from City of London/Wall St sayanim (not to mention their Saudi chumps).  Real jew/marxist dialectics of controlled opposition.  Later came the CIA/Inside Job theory...all these theories distract from reality that participants, tactics etc can be hidden behind layers of hidden control.

BTW when first watching collapse of WTC building I specifically recalled Colonel Kurz from Apocalypse Now--I equated Kurz's foes with Osama--a mistake of course.  Oligarch PTB's insulated by many layers & don't even need to have knowledge of specific plots or need to think about their vast cruelty.  They arrange the house of cards & sooner or later things fall into place:

They are truly enemies! I remember when I was with Special Forces... seems a thousand centuries ago. We went into a camp to inoculate some children. We left the camp after we had inoculated the children for polio, and this old man came running after us and he was crying. He couldn't see. We went back there, and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried, I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out; I didn't know what I wanted to do! And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it... I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought, my God... the genius of that! The genius! The will to do that! Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we, because they could stand that these were not monsters, these were men... trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love... but they had the strength... the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men, our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral... and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling... without passion... without judgment... without judgment! Because it's judgment that defeats us.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Railroad Bum on October 13, 2012, 05:41:43 AM
Very hypocritical of you.  The media and the govt made up their mind about who was behind the attacks within about 2 hours after the planes hit.  We had names and photos of 19 arabs about an hour later....

About five minutes after the second plane hit the mass media, all in unison, started trotting out their "experts", all coiffed up and made up and ready for the tv lights, all instructing us that Bin Boogyman and the Arabs did it. They also had their planted "man in the street" for the tv cams to interview - remember the feller with the scripted story...he's on Youtube too.  That was my first clue that the thing wasn't what they were saying it was. Whoa, said I, right then on 911, how do they know the Arabs did it?  Those poor schmucks in their fifty years of fighting against the AshkeNazi invaders have never been able to devise anything more advanced than strapping a bomb around their waist and climbing on a bus, and there are a  hell of a lot of other people in the world who have very very good reasons to want revenge on the USA, the Serbs for instance.

http://emperors-clothes.com/1/rem.htm

And then they started telling us that they were all prepared for an attack from overseas, but they never dreamed that civilian airliners might be commandeered.  That was clue number two right then on day one.  Huh?, said I, I had just recently read Clancy's book on the very thing.  They should have hired me. That would have been the first thing I thought of.  Well, then it came out that they were lying about that too. Not only had they thought of that possibility but they were holding MULTIPLE WAR GAME SCENARIOS FOR IT THAT VERY MORNING, totally confusing the air defense who were asking if this was all part of the exercise or "real world".

Well, the gelignites think there's nothing at all suspicious about the official party line, 19 evil fundamentalist Ayrabs who didn't even know how to fly a plane and were hanging around GOP Mafia Zionist mobster Jack Abramoff's casino boat, did it "because they hate our freedom", and they were directed by Doctor No-Boogyman who lived in gigantic supercaves in the Himalayas (many of them) - oops, scratch that, a slum apartment in Karachi - whose brother was meeting with Bush Sr in Washington on 911 (Hinckley's brother was supposed to be having dinner with the same Bush Sr the night before Reagan was shot).

Nothing to see here, folks, move along, move along. The evil Ayrabs did it. That's all you stupid schmucks need to know.  Now shut up and go kill more Ayrabs and Muslims for us.




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Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: gelignite on October 13, 2012, 07:25:51 AM
Whoa, said I, right then on 911, how do they know the Arabs did it? Those poor schmucks in their fifty years of fighting against the AshkeNazi invaders have never been able to devise anything more advanced than strapping a bomb around their waist and climbing on a bus...

Werewolf has apparently never heard of bin Laden's 1998 fatwah against the USA.

Or the US Embassy bombings.

Or The USS Cole.

Or the 1993 World Trade Center attack.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Sue on October 13, 2012, 10:09:04 AM
Werewolf has apparently never heard of bin Laden's 1998 fatwah against the USA.

Or the US Embassy bombings.

Or The USS Cole.

Or the 1993 World Trade Center attack.

Ignited One: I am dying to hear who the REAL culprits were?
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Railroad Bum on October 13, 2012, 04:16:50 PM
Ignited One: I am dying to hear who the REAL culprits were?

Why Osama bin Ladin (AKA Emanuel Goldstein, The Boogyman,  etc.), of course!  The chap that was the Bush crime family's business partner (Carlysle Group etc.) and whose brother was meeting with Papa Doc Bush the morning of 911 in Washington, and whose family the US government secretly flew out of the USA right after 911 when all civilian aircraft were grounded.  You know, the feller who lived in all those super-gigantic caves in the Himalayas - oops, scratch that! - a slum apartment in Karachi, and whose family financed Baby Doc Bush's first business venture, an oil wel.  The feller who they miraculously found a video of "confessing" to doing 911 lying around the giant city of Jalalabad on a  vcr the very next day after they invaded it, only it was mistranslated, and Bin Boogy had miraculously turned into a fat right handed negro with gold rings.  That guy. Isn't that right, Mr Gelignite?



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Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Railroad Bum on October 13, 2012, 04:43:22 PM
(http://911blimp.net/images/fakeOsamaOnKKTV.jpg)

"Yeah, das rat, I did 911 because I hates yo freedom."




(http://911blimp.net/images/fake_osama_comparo1.jpg)
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: laconas on October 13, 2012, 04:51:54 PM
(http://911blimp.net/images/fakeOsamaOnKKTV.jpg)

"Yeah, das rat, I did 911 because I hates yo freedom."




(http://911blimp.net/images/fake_osama_comparo1.jpg)

Seems everyone knows he's the phony OBL cept for jew media and the FBI. Oh well, at least he got a good burial at sea and all loose ends have been neatly tied.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Railroad Bum on October 13, 2012, 05:13:48 PM
Seems everyone knows he's the phony OBL cept for jew media and the FBI.

And Mister Gelignite.

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Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: laconas on October 13, 2012, 05:30:02 PM
And Mister Gelignite.

:)


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Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Sue on October 13, 2012, 07:19:39 PM
That guy. Isn't that right, Mr ?

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Gelignite will stick to his story come hell or high water. No point even arguing with him, it gets utterly boring after a while. (Yawn)
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: laconas on October 13, 2012, 07:36:22 PM
Gelignite will stick to his story come hell or high water. No point even arguing with him, it gets utterly boring after a while. (Yawn)

Yes, but how would he hold-up in a gitmo environment?
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Sue on October 13, 2012, 09:26:29 PM
Yes, but how would he hold-up in a gitmo environment?

With great difficulty I'm sure - but then - not to worry, he is willingly playing THEIR game.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: laconas on October 13, 2012, 09:31:30 PM
With great difficulty I'm sure - but then - not to worry, he is willingly playing THEIR game.

For a moment I became concerned he might have to swallow and re-swallow diamonds, gold coins, and microchips with secret coded info from Israel.
Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: Railroad Bum on October 14, 2012, 05:01:42 AM
Gelignite will stick to his story come hell or high water. No point even arguing with him, it gets utterly boring after a while. (Yawn)

"That guy. Isn't that right, Mr ?"

I need to go back and fix that "That guy" typo, but it won't let me.

If it wasn't for Mr Gelignite we'd just be preaching to the choir on here, and that's no fun.  I still think he's a righteous fellow playing the role of devil's advocate, and doing a good job at it too!



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Title: - Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
Post by: dominique on October 23, 2012, 06:12:46 AM
"That guy. Isn't that right, Mr ?"

I need to go back and fix that "That guy" typo, but it won't let me.

If it wasn't for Mr Gelignite we'd just be preaching to the choir on here, and that's no fun.  I still think he's a righteous fellow playing the role of devil's advocate, and doing a good job at it too!



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As much of a slimeball as Jelly is, I do prefer arguing with someone with a brain versus a clown like SkunkJacobGold constantly devolving this board into pure silliness.