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Title: DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: dirar on September 28, 2009, 11:58:16 PM
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DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman

Adolf Hitler skull
Research on a skull fragment thought to be Adolf Hitler's has cast doubt on the circumstances of his death/ Reuters

    * DNA tests done on Hitler skull fragment
    * Result says it's skull of a woman
    * Casts doubts on the death of Hitler

ADOLF Hitler may not have died in a bunker after fresh research suggests the skull thought to be the tyrant's was from a woman.

US archaeologist Nick Bellantoni found fragments from the skull believed to be Hitler's were too thin to be from a male, and suspected it was the remains of a much younger woman, The Sun reports.

"The bone seemed very thin - male bone tends to be more robust. It corresponds to a woman between the ages of 20 and 40," Dr Bellantoni said.

DNA tests performed in a US laboratory confirmed the remains could not have belonged to the Nazi leader.

The discovery casts doubt on the exact circumstances of Hitler`s death and could force history books to be rewritten.

Original accounts of Hitler`s death said he shot himself in the head in a bunker after taking a cyanide tablet on April 30, 1945 as the Russian army attacked Berlin.
   

His remains, along with those of his wife Eva Braun, were taken from the bunker, doused in petrol and set ablaze.

A year later, skull fragments were dug up by Russian forces which seemed to confirm Hitler had shot himself in the bunker.

In 1970, the KGB cremated Hitler`s remains except for the skull fragment.

Dr Bellantoni was sceptical about the theory the skull fragments belong to Eva Braun, who was with Hitler in the bunker where he supposedly died.

"There is no report of Eva Braun having shot herself or having been shot afterwards. It could be anyone. Many people were killed around the bunker area," he said.
Title: - DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: BlackVeil on October 01, 2009, 08:39:58 PM
The story of Hitler's death was always doubtful, and relied upon very fake sources. After doubts were voiced in the post-war years, the British and Russians came up with two "eye witnesses" to the burning of the bodies, who gave a very fake sounding testimony.
Title: - DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: Sue on October 01, 2009, 08:41:19 PM
At one time there were rumors that he fled to South America.
Title: - DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: Sue on October 01, 2009, 08:44:00 PM
M_Theory, if you remember him, said that Hitler was shot, I don't recall what he said about Eva Braun.

Here is another article  *   Uki Goñi * The Observer, Sunday 27 September 2009
   
Tests on skull fragment cast doubt on Adolf Hitler suicide story

Bone with bullet hole found by Russians in 1946 came from an unknown woman, not the German leader

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/9/26/1253988268643/Fragment-of-Adolf-Hitlers-001.jpg)

Similar article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/27/adolf-hitler-suicide-skull-fragment
Title: - DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: laconas on October 01, 2009, 09:16:47 PM
The assumption one is led to believe by this Jewish narrative is that perhaps Hitler faked his death and lived on.

I think one can learn a lot about Jews by what they project. We already know that most jew bolshevic war criminals who fled Europe changed their names when they moved to the US and other places.
Title: - DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: Sue on October 01, 2009, 10:33:10 PM
The assumption one is led to believe by this Jewish narrative is that perhaps Hitler faked his death and lived on.

I think one can learn a lot about Jews by what they project. We already know that most jew bolshevic war criminals who fled Europe changed their names when they moved to the US and other places.

I tend to believe that both were murdered and it was made out to be a suicide.
What good would it have done had he gone to Argentina? They would have hunted
him down anyway.
Title: - DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: laconas on October 02, 2009, 05:28:58 AM
I don't believe we'll ever know for sure how he died, but for sure the suicide story turns him into a non-hero.
Title: - DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: Sue on October 02, 2009, 07:21:38 AM
....and that is more than likely the intent.
Title: - DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: dirar on October 07, 2009, 11:55:54 AM
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What good would it have done had he gone to Argentina?

Those who say that he went to Argentina also argue that he was a Rothschild
Title: - DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: Sue on October 07, 2009, 12:17:52 PM
Those who say that he went to Argentina also argue that he was a Rothschild.

Who really knows, Dirar. It was--and still is--nothing unusual for a housekeeper to get pregnant.
Title: - DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: irmatvep on February 20, 2011, 01:05:41 PM
Bone with bullet hole found by Russians in 1946 came from an unknown woman, not the German leade
 
Share1014  Uki Goñi The Observer, Sunday 27 September 2009 Article history
A general view of what Russian officials claim to be a fragment of Adolf Hitler's skull, at an exhibition in Moscow, Wed April 26, 2000. Photograph: Mikhail Metzel/AP
 
In countless biographies of Adolf Hitler the story of his final hours is recounted in the traditional version: committing suicide with Eva Braun, he took a cyanide pill and then shot himself on 30 April 1945, as the Russians bombarded Berlin.

Some historians expressed doubt that the Führer had shot himself, speculating that accounts of Hitler's death had been embellished to present his suicide in a suitably heroic light. But a fragment of skull, complete with bullet hole, which was taken from the bunker by the Russians and displayed in Moscow in 2000, appeared to settle the argument.

Until now. In the wake of new revelations, the histories of Hitler's death may need to be rewritten – and left open-ended. American researchers claim to have demonstrated that the skull fragment, secretly preserved for decades by Soviet intelligence, belonged to a woman under 40, whose identity is unknown. DNA analyses performed on the bone, now held by the Russian State Archive in Moscow, have been processed at the genetics lab of the University of Connecticut. The results, broadcast in the US by a History Channel documentary, Hitler's Escape, astonished scientists.

According to Connecticut archaeologist and bone specialist Nick Bellantoni, it was clear from the outset that something was amiss. "The bone seemed very thin; male bone tends to be more robust," he said. "And the sutures where the skull plates come together seemed to correspond to someone under 40." In April 1945 Hitler turned 56.

Bellantoni had flown to Moscow to inspect the gruesome Hitler trophies at the State Archive, which included the skull fragment as well as bloodstains from the bunker sofa on which Hitler and Braun were believed to have committed suicide. He was allowed only one hour with the Hitler trove, during which time he applied cotton swabs and took DNA samples. "I had the reference photos the Soviets took of the sofa in 1945 and I was seeing the exact same stains on the fragments of wood and fabric in front of me, so I knew I was working with the real thing."

The samples were then flown back to Connecticut. At the university's centre for applied genetics, Linda Strausbaugh closed her lab for three days to work exclusively on the Hitler project. "We used the same routines and controls that would have been used in a crime lab," she said. To her surprise, a small amount of viable DNA was extracted. She then replicated this through a process known as molecular copying to provide enough material for analysis. "We were very lucky to get a reading, despite the limited amount of genetic information," she said.

The result was extraordinary. According to witnesses, the bodies of Hitler and Braun had been wrapped in blankets and carried to the garden just outside the Berlin bunker, placed in a bomb crater, doused with petrol and set ablaze.

But the skull fragment the Russians dug up outside the Führerbunker in 1946 could never have belonged to Hitler. The skull DNA was incontestably female. The only positive physical proof that Hitler had shot himself had suddenly been rendered worthless. The result is a mystery reopened and, for conspiracy theorists the tantalising possibility that Hitler did not die in the bunker.

For decades after the war the fate of Hitler's corpse was shrouded in secrecy. No picture or film was made public. As the Soviet Army secured control of Berlin in May 1945, Russian forensic specialists under the command of the counterintelligence unit Smersh (an acronym for "Death to Spies") dug up what was presumed to be the dictator's body outside the bunker and performed a post-mortem examination behind closed doors. A part of the skull was absent, presumably blown away by Hitler's suicide shot, but what remained of his jaw coincided with his dental records, a fact reportedly confirmed when the Russians showed his surviving dental work to the captured assistants of Hitler's dentist. The autopsy also reported that Hitler, as had been rumoured, had only one testicle.

But Stalin remained suspicious. In 1946 a second secret mission was dispatched to Berlin. In the same crater from which Hitler's body had been recovered, the new team found what it believed was the missing skull fragment with a bullet exit wound through it. The Russians also took fragments of Hitler's bloodstained sofa.

Even this failed to satisfy Stalin, who clamped a secrecy order on all matters related to Hitler's death. Unknown to the world, Hitler's corpse was interred at a Smersh centre in Magdeburg, East Germany. There it remained long after Stalin's death in 1953. Finally, in 1970, the KGB dug up the corpse, cremated it and secretly scattered the ashes in a river. Only the jawbone, the skull fragment and the bloodstained sofa segments were preserved in the deep archives of Soviet intelligence. The bunker was destroyed in 1947 and eventually paved over. Then, in 2000, the Russian State Archive in Moscow staged an exhibition, The Agony of the Third Reich. The skull fragment was displayed, but only photographs of Hitler's jawbone were on view. The head of the archive, Sergei Mironenko, said he had no doubt the skull fragment was authentic. "It is not just some bone we found in the street, but a fragment of a skull that was found in a hole where Hitler's body had been buried," he said.

In the wake of Bellantoni and Strausbaugh's findings, Mironenko's confidence was clearly misplaced. But could the fragment of skull belong to Eva Braun, who died at 33 and was laid alongside her beloved Führer in the same crater? "We know the skull corresponds to a woman between the ages of 20 and 40," said Bellantoni, but he is sceptical about the Braun thesis. "There is no report of Eva Braun having shot herself or having been shot afterwards. It could be anyone. Many people were killed around the bunker area."

Sixty-four years later, the world is still in the dark about what really happened in Hitler's bunker on 30 April 1945.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/27/adolf-hitler-suicide-skull-fragment
Title: - DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: Zampan0 on April 12, 2011, 05:09:17 AM
I remember seeing this photo many years ago and thinking something was wrong about it.
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j400/zampan01/HITLER.jpg)
Wasn't Hitler supposed to have been burned?

1945: HITLER--DEAD OR ALIVE?


"Our story begins with what, under other circumstances, might have been a happy occasion--the wedding of Adolf Hitler and his longtime mistress Eva Braun. Following the reception, just after midnight on April 30, "with a faraway expression," Hitler "went down the hall, shaking hands. Several said a few words, but he did not answer, moving his lips inaudibly."

source: http://tst.greyfalcon.us/deadoralive.html (http://tst.greyfalcon.us/deadoralive.html)
Title: - DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: pope daniel on April 12, 2011, 05:46:58 AM
after fulfilling his duty of paving the way for israel. he probably spent the remainder of his life pampered in a rothschild castle
Title: - DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: Zampan0 on April 12, 2011, 08:26:03 AM
after fulfilling his duty of paving the way for israel. he probably spent the remainder of his life pampered in a rothschild castle
Thanks for clearing the whole thing up, Your Popeness.
Title: - DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: dirar on July 06, 2011, 05:01:37 AM
Perhaps this might interest you, an argument that Hitler and Bormann were Illuminati agents. Makes sense in light of his missing body
http://www.henrymakow.com/hitler_and_bormann_were_traito.html  (http://www.henrymakow.com/hitler_and_bormann_were_traito.html)
Title: - DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: dirar on July 06, 2011, 05:11:41 AM
And by the way, I had already posted this news 2 years ago
http://www.freedomportal.net/index.php?topic=14775.0;topicseen (http://www.freedomportal.net/index.php?topic=14775.0;topicseen)
Title: - DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: roscoe on July 06, 2011, 08:33:53 PM
The assumption one is led to believe by this Jewish narrative is that perhaps Hitler faked his death and lived on.

I think one can learn a lot about Jews by what they project. We already know that most jew bolshevic war criminals who fled Europe changed their names when they moved to the US and other places.

Is Bellatoni  a judaix?
Title: - DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: laconas on July 06, 2011, 08:44:47 PM
Is Bellatoni  a judaix?

He could be, but if he isn't that doesn't matter cause Jews couldn't do what they do with complicit goyim.

If it makes the national press of a jew run country you can bet it doesn't hurt Jews.
Title: - DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: EyeBelieve on July 06, 2011, 09:22:41 PM
He was allowed only one hour with the Hitler trove, during which time he applied cotton swabs and took DNA samples.

Disregard that back then there was no DNA analysis.
Title: - DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: Rudi Jan on July 06, 2011, 09:42:12 PM
And by the way, I had already posted this news 2 years ago
http://www.freedomportal.net/index.php?topic=14775.0;topicseen (http://www.freedomportal.net/index.php?topic=14775.0;topicseen)

Indeed you did... as you can see I merged the two threads. Thanks for mentioning that.
Title: - DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: Sue on July 06, 2011, 09:47:58 PM
Disregard that back then there was no DNA analysis.

Correct, EB.

DNA profiling (also called DNA testing, DNA typing, or genetic fingerprinting) is a technique employed by forensic scientists to assist in the identification of individuals by their respective DNA profiles. DNA profiles are encrypted sets of numbers that reflect a person's DNA makeup, which can also be used as the person's identifier. DNA profiling should not be confused with full genome sequencing.[1] It is used in, for example, parental testing and criminal investigation.

Although 99.9% of human DNA sequences are the same in every person, enough of the DNA is different to distinguish one individual from another, unless they are monozygotic twins.[2] DNA profiling uses repetitive ("repeat") sequences that are highly variable,[2] called variable number tandem repeats (VNTRs), particularly short tandem repeats (STRs). VNTR loci are very similar between closely related humans, but so variable that unrelated individuals are extremely unlikely to have the same VNTRs.

The DNA profiling technique was first reported in 1984[3] by Sir Alec Jeffreys at the University of Leicester in England,[4] and is now the basis of several national DNA databases. Dr. Jeffreys's genetic fingerprinting was made commercially available in 1987, when a chemical company, Imperial Chemical Industries (ICI), started a blood-testing centre in England.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_profiling
Title: - DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: dirar on July 07, 2011, 04:28:15 AM
TY :)
Title: - DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: Rach on July 07, 2011, 05:20:02 AM
The discovery casts doubt on the exact circumstances of Hitler`s death and could force history books to be rewritten.

How about rewriting the history books on the whole Hoax.
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Post by: FrankDialogue on July 07, 2011, 07:45:54 AM
The reality is that we will never have a truthful answer for Hitler's death or his life.

Various biographies or recounting of his life contain numerous contradictions, from his ancestry to his military service to his actual role in forming the National Socialist government...He wanted to 'exterminate' Jews, yet there were numerous Jews in the NS party apparatus, he had Jewish friends and mistresses.

And he refused Arab aid in securing the Middle East and possibly the Suez Canal.

It does seem that he was giving the orders during the Barbarossa campaign, and that he just didn't understand that Russia was too big to be conquered, let alone administered by the Germans, and that by pursuing the campaign he brought ruin to the German nation.

As for the circumstances of his death, who knows?...Maybe the Russians tell the truth, with strategic details added and subtracted.

He should have pursued his art, as he was talented, quite so.

(http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/hitler-no-nose-or-mouth.jpg)

Self Portrait: Man with no face?
Title: - DNA test shows Hitler skull is that of a woman
Post by: EyeBelieve on July 07, 2011, 09:35:07 PM
Correct, EB.

Thanks, but actually i scanned the article quickly & thought Dr Bellantoni had done the DNA swabbing post-WWII & not recently.  A moot point at any rate since the "Hitler skull" only proves that Soviets were liars, already known thru their forged evidence vs Demjanjuk.  Perhaps it was more than coincidental that in WWII USA allowed Russkies to take over Eastern Europe...all the better to create the Holyhoax based on Commie propaganda.
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Post by: Sue on July 07, 2011, 10:20:12 PM
Why Wasn't Auschwitz Bombed?

Did Missing 1944 Military Studies Conclude Auschwitz-Birkenau Not Death Camp?

By THE COMMITTEE FOR HISTORICAL TRUTH (2004) -  source (http://www.air-photo.com/english/reasons.html)

From 1944 to 1993 the Holocaust lobby's story was Auschwitz-Birkenau wasn't bombed because the 3,000 to 10,000 daily mass murders were kept secret through a circle of fences one kilometer (0.6 mi) from Birkenau so noone outside the camp knew about the mass executions until an April, 1944 prison escape, and the camp was out of range for bombers until late 1944.

In 1993 Air Photo Evidence published air photos proving the Germans made no attempt to hide the Birkenau Cremation buildings which had no outer fence and only one wire fence close to the buildings so mass executions would have been visible, and Birkenau was not out of range as American  planes bombed the Monowitz industrial complex 6 km (4 mi) east starting in August, '44.

The photos sent shock-waves through the Holocaust lobby which hastily organized a 1993 Auschwitz Bombing convention in Washington, DC, to change their story and agree to new reasons why Birkenau was not bombed. The new story was the British and American governments knew about the Birkenau mass executions from early '43 to November, '44, but didn't order that Birkenau or rail-lines leading to the camp be bombed for a number of reasons. The Holocaust Lobby's 4 main reasons are in black text, and the truth according to Air Photo Evidence is in red:

Requests for bombing in 1944 by U.S. President Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Churchill were over-ruled by the military who knew about the mass murders, but were indifferent to the plight of the camp inmates. The truth is that in 1944 the American and British military completed independent studies using air photos and spy reports about whether it was neccessary to bomb Birkenau, and although both studies disappeared after 1944, they must have concluded that no mass murders were occurring at Birkenau because bombing was not ordered by Roosevelt, Churchill, or the military.

Jewish groups in America, Britain, and Jersualem asked the U.S. and British governments to bomb Birkenau during 1944 but they were rebuffed by military and political leaders. The truth is that although a few individual members of Jewish groups who had heard the mass-murder rumors, sent letters to other members of their groups to consider bombing, not one official Jewish organization anywhere in the world asked that Birkenau be bombed, because they knew from escaped inmates and spies, and from contacts with the highest levels of the U.S. and British governments, that mass murders were not occurring.

The War Refugee Board knew about the daily murders but did not have enough political clout to command the attention of President Roosevelt. The truth is that Board member Henry Morgenthau knew of the unsubstantiated stories of Birkenau mass murders, but he acted like he did not believe them because he did not even discuss the possible bombing of Birkenau or any other camp during his many meetings with President Roosevelt.

Bombing would have killed inmates and there was no guarantee bombing would have stopped the slaughter. The truth is rail-lines and bridges together with the Birkenau Cremation buildings could have been bombed with a minimum loss of life the same way two other areas were bombed. From June, 1942 to August, 1944, 12 groups of B-25 long-range bombers and P-38 Lightning fighter-bombers, flew long distances from airfields in Egypt to pin-point bomb at low elevations the Ploesti oil refinery 55 kilomters (35 miles) north of Bucharest, Rumania, and on August 24th, '44, the Gustloff-Werke armaments factory 150 m (500 ft) from Buchenwald detention camp in Germany, was destroyed by B-25 bombers without a single bomb hitting the Buchenwald camp.

In 1944 the Americans and British had the ability to pin-point bomb the Birkenau cremation buildings or rail-lines leading to camp, but after military studies of air photos and spy reports concluded that inmates were not being executed, no American or British leader ordered bombing of Birkenau because they believed executions were not occurring.

Comparison of fences

Auschwitz I camp wall

(http://www.air-photo.com/grap/fences1.gif)

1. A 3 metre (10 foot) high concrete wall prevented spies from viewing camp and receiving messages from inmates. No mass murders, but cruel physical abuses are alleged to have occured here during 1943-44. If the Germans wanted to prevent outsiders from seeing buildings and hearing alleged victims screams, the wall could have been built twice as high and around all four sides of the camp instead of just two.

Monowitz Complex wall

(http://www.air-photo.com/grap/fences2.gif)

2. A 2 metre (7 foot) high cement wall only partially blocked the view of buildings in the synthetic rubber and chemical complex, where no mass murders are alleged. The Germans built concrete walls at Auschwitz I and Monowitz as only partial barriers, not to completely hide the camp from outsiders seeing and hearing the inmates.

Birkenau wire fence

(http://www.air-photo.com/grap/fences3.gif)

3. The Germans took international doctors and the Polish Red Cross to the Katyn Forest in 1943 to show the world that the Soviets, not the Germans, had mass murdered prisoners there. If, in 1943-44, the Germans were mass murdering prisoners, they would have constructed a high wall to prevent spies from seeing atrocities and hearing screams, otherwise their enemies could have proven they were publicizing Katyn to cover up their own murders and abuse.