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Post by: Trinity on August 29, 2005, 02:43:51 PM
 
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IF I WERE THE GOVERNMENT....


It's been three years since Congress discussed removing the government of Afghanistan to make way for an oil pipeline, seven months since the US Government told India there would be an invasion of Afghanistan in October, six months since BBC heard about the planned invasion of Afghanistan, nine months since Jane's Defense got word of the planned invasion of Afghanistan, and of course, only a few months since the attacks on the World Trade Towers that got the American people angered into support of the war that everybody on the planet BUT Americans had been told was on the way.
During these last few months, the same American media that waved non-stop Gary Condit in front of our faces to keep us from finding out that plans for a war were being announced to other governments is now trying to keep the level of fear in the American public so high that they cannot think. The media has been pounding us all non-stop with Osama (you know, the CIA's main asset in Afghanistan) in a fashion eerily similar to the mythical dictatorship's use of Emmanuel Goldstein and the "Two Minute Hate" in George Orwell's "1984". The media's "scare-orrism" has continued with the endless dire warnings regarding the Anthrax being sent in letters, which in retrospect has to be the weakest form of Anthrax, having killed far fewer people in the entire nation in the last two months than are gunned down in Washington DC in any given week. The Anthrax scare fell apart when it became known that the Anthrax was from US military labs.

But the problem with using fear to keep people from thinking is that sooner or later fear tires itself out. People habituate to it. They get used to it. And they start thinking again.

And, as people stop fearing and start to think, they start to notice those things which the government would prefer they don't. Things like the convenient timing of the attacks on the World Trade Towers and the perfect fit into the timetable of the war announced to other nations earlier in the year.

People are remembering that Osama bin Laden is a creation of the CIA, the same CIA once headed by the President's father (who also got us into a pointless war in the oil-rich regions of the middle east), the same CIA that imports drugs and sells them to our children, the same CIA now advocating the use of torture.

People are remembering that the initial Anthrax "attack" on the US Congress occurred just as the draconian USA PATRIOT bill was about to be voted on. People have noticed that the US Congress, out of their own fear, voted to pass that bill without reading it at all! (The second congressional Anthrax attack was sent to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) "coincidentally" right after he announced hearings on the military tribunals directive.)

People are remembering that the first suspects to be arrested after the WTC attacks were not Arabs, but Israelis, and that Israelis (in one case a known Mossad agent) were also arrested inside the Mexican Congress carrying guns. Yet more suspected Mossad agents were arrested with plans for US Nuclear power plants inside the US, but were strangely let go! People are remembering that the Mossad has a past history of staging fake terror attacks to blame on a third party, such as the successful planting of fake radio traffic which tricked the US into bombing Libya, and a failed attempt to blow up a US facility and blame it on Arabs in 1956.

People have been following the case of JDL Chairman Irv Rubin in Los Angeles, who was arrested for plotting to blow up a United States Congrssman. People have been following the case of the Israeli spy scandal, which involves the largest spy ring ever uncoveed inside the United States, along with two companies which are able to rack or tap into any phone in America, including those in the White House. In at least one case, information leaked by one of these companies was used to thwart a drug investigation by the LAPD.

People are noticing that the media has taken a very heavy hand in suppressing the spy scandal, with both Fox News and CNN simply erasing sories from their websites which prove to be embarrassing and which continue to cast doubt on the official version of what happened on 9/11. In one of the stories carried on Fox News, but now erased, a US Official admitted that evidence exists linking the arrested spies to the events of 9/11, but that this evidence had been classified and withheld from the public by the US Government itself.

People are noticing that there is something wrong when the US media and the US Government are covering up for a massive foreign spy ring inside the United States.

People are noticing that the US Government does not really have a case against Osama bin Laden having anything to do with the attacks on the World Trade Towers. After announcing the evidence would be made public, the US Government backtracked, and claimed that the evidence had to remain secret to protect "National Security". Then it turned out that what evidence existed was being destroyed by the NSA and by the FBI! While the only actual video tapes of Osama bin Laden mentioning the WTC attacks consist of denials, a report was recently published in the media that Osama had confessed and claimed to have nukes. Both claims turned out to be hoaxes; an effort to manufacture a phony confession to fill in the gap of any real evidence to justify the bombing of Afghani civilians. The video taped confession claimed to be the source of the transcript does not exist, and the BBC found no mention of nuclear weapons in the original version. Careful examination of what evidence has been presented shows it to be a total farce of unsubstantiated and non-court-worthy claims, circumstantial at best. The latest claim that Osama has nukes is based on a confession extracted under torture, hardly reliable but apparently far more newsworthy than the arrested spies and the phone tapping scandal.

As people stop being made blind by fear, they are starting to realize that bombing the innocents of Afghanistan makes no sense at all no matter what Osama bin Laden may have done, whether he still works for the CIA or not. After all, were American citizens able to prevent the CIA from killing 80 civilians, many of them children, with a car bomb in Beirut in 1985. Had the CIA knocked on the doors of American citizens and asked, "Is it okay if we blow up a bunch of kids to get at this one target", I feel safe in saying that most Americans would have replied that they didn't think it was a good idea (The intended target survived the CIA's bomb). Likewise, had Osama bin Laden knocked on the doors of the Afghani people and said, "Is it okay if we blow up a bunch of kids to get at this one target", I feel safe in saying that most Afghanis would have replied that they didn't think it was a good idea. Doubtless the response was more agreeable from Osama's pals at Langley.

As people stop being made blind by fear, they are taking a closer look at the US Government's purported "humanitarian" effort to feed the starving people of Afghanistan, an effort exemplified by the shutting down of all truck routes into the region and the bombing (twice) of the Red Cross food warehouse, then lying about it afterwards. This has removed all sources of outside food for the starving people living along the proposed oil pipeline route except one' the food packages being dropped from American planes. But there is a problem with those food packages. Ignoring for a moment that most of those packages are either destroyed on hitting the ground or simply fall where they cannot be found, they happen to look like the unexploded munitions the US is also dropping all around Afghanistan. Same size, same color, same type face.
 



Now, if you are a starving Afghani child, you cannot read English, and you have seen the leaflets that claim those yellow packages being dropped from the planes are a gift of food from the wonderful people of the United States, which package would you pick up? And if perchance you grab the wrong one and lose a hand, or your eyes, how will you feel about those wonderful people of the United States?
This deception of having the unexploded bombs looking like the food packs is not aimed at Osama Bin Laden and it's not aimed at the Taliban; it is aimed at the non-combatant citizens of Afghanistan, including women and children, who are starving slowly to death because of the US-created REDUCTION in humanitarian aid to the region, and who out of that starvation won't hesitate to pick up an unexploded cluster munition, thinking it may be something to eat.

But most of all, as the people of the United States cease to be afraid, they will realize that the greatest danger they face isn't Osama bin laden or starving Afghani women and children, but Presidents connected to oil companies who always seem to get us into wars in regions where oil happens to be, and who are willing to do anything, including destroying the civil protections of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, to get that war and that oil.

There are warning signs everywhere that the real agenda of the attacks on the WTC on 9/11 was to pave the way for a transformation of the United States into something no rational Americans would or could ever support. President Bush has done away with the civil protections mandated by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights by creating a new court system, outside the jurisdiction of the Constitution. Even more alarming is the strident and continuing calls for the use of torture on suspected terrorists coming from sources such as Allen Dershowitz, from the Los Angeles Times, and from that master of South American torture squads, the CIA.

The problem is that while these secret courts and torture squads are supposed to be directed at terrorists, with "terrorists" being defined in the disengenuously named "USA PATRIOT" act as anyone critical of the government! So loose are the definitions being applied under the new laws that people are being denied their Constitutional right to travel freely based on political views or just for carrying the wrong book!

So egregious has been the grab for dictatorial power by the Bush Presidency that even the normally obeisant and MOCKINGBIRD controlled mainstream US press is starting to express doubts, with the New York Times using words like "dictatorial", while MSNBC likens the present regime to that of a third world nation. Even newspapers in Bush's home state are saying he has gone too far. Pravda, the major newspaper of the former USSR, once the most feared enemy of our freedoms, warns that America is losing her freedoms to her own government.

Support for the war in Afghanistan is rapidly diminishing. Even the much-vaunted "coalition" intending to mask the ambitions of a single nation behind the illusion of multi lateral action, has started falling apart.

What is an emerging dictatorship to do? The more people stop being afraid, the more they think. The more people think, the more they realize that something is very wrong with the official version of the WTC attacks. The more people think, the more they realize that something is very wrong with the convenient timing of the attacks with regard to the invasion of Afghanistan already planned and discussed with other nations last March. The more people think, the more they realize that something is very wrong with the manner in which the government is attacking the civil protections in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The more people think, the more they realize that something is very wrong with the demand for the use of torture on "terrorists" and the very loose definitions of what a terrorist is, able to be applied to anyone who disagrees with the policies of the state.

In order to continue the grab for, as the New York Times describes it, "dictatorial" power, the government has to make the people STOP thinking. And the only way to make the people stop thinking is to make them afraid again, so afraid that they CANNOT think.

Which is why I greatly fear that as we head into the holiday season, full of potent American symbols and media coverage of traditional holiday parades and celebrations, that opportunity exists for phony staged terrorist events, staged events designed to keep Americans afraid, keep them surrendering their civil rights, keep them in support of a war for oil, a war for the agenda to, as the current Fortune Magazine describes it, "break OPEC's grip".

Sun Tzu, in "The Art Of War", comments that all war is based on deception. he people of an invading nation have to be deceived into thinking that they act in their own self defense; that they are the ones to have been attacked. The United States government has a long history of using such deceptions to start wars, from claiming that the USS Maine, sunk by a coal bin fire, was sunk by a Spanish mine, to the Gulf Of Tonkin and the torpedoes which never were, to Operation NORTHWOODS, in which the Joint Chiefs planned to stage fake terror attacks to manufacture American support for a war against Cuba.

The present government of the United States NEEDS the American people to be afraid, to be blindly afraid, to react and respond, and not to reason. There is only one way for the government to achieve this, through a phony terror attack such as those planned by Operation NORTHWOODS, and I greatly fear that we will see one in the very near future.

Because once a government resorts to terrorizing its own population to control them, it must keep on doing so. A government that uses terror to control its own population cannot ever stop using terror to control its own population, out of fear that a population no longer afraid will start to think clearly about what is going on. Terror has to become legal. Terror has to become accepted as necessary for domestic policy. Hence the call for torture, secret courts, and the abandonment of the protections of the Bill of Rights.

Terror becomes an addiction to those governments who use it on their own people.

Which is why I am certain we will see more of it. Maybe even a staged nuke attack.
 


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Title: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
Post by: calrodin on May 03, 2006, 06:04:28 AM

Here's Gaddafi on Al-Jazeera:

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/ayley/gaddafi.jpg)

`all people must be muslims`
[...]

"We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe - without swords, without guns, without conquests. The fifty million Muslims of Europe will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades.

"Allah mobilizes the Muslim nation of Turkey, and adds it to the European Union."
[...]

"That's another 50 million Muslims. There will be 100 million Muslims in Europe. Albania, which is a Muslim country, has already entered the E.U."
[...]

"Bosnia, which is a Muslim country, has already entered the E.U. Fifty percent of its citizens are Muslims."
[...]
 
"Europe is in a predicament, and so is America. They should agree to become Islamic in the course of time, or else declare war on the Muslims."

http://drinkingfromhome.blogspot.com/ (http://drinkingfromhome.blogspot.com/)
Title: Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
Post by: dominique on May 03, 2006, 08:52:15 AM
This translation looked suspiciously to me like one from MEMRI. Turns out when I went to the original blog entry, (http://drinkingfromhome.blogspot.com/2006/05/gaddafi-europe-will-become-muslim.html) I was right. It had the telltale "[...]", for one thing.

Here's the original MEMRI article. (http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP115206)

And of course, many of us know just how anti-Arab, pro-Israel biased MEMRI is. This thead has a lot of info about that. (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=3612.0)

I wouldn't be surprised if this translation has been tweaked to give Qaddafi a menacing tone, and I'll tell you why. This supposed "translation's" tone is NOT like other things I have read by Qadaffi on his own site, pertaining to this subject (but it IS classic to the type of translation MEMRI puts out, which are all designed to portray Arabs and Muslims as evil and violent). The following article shows his take on Turkey joining the EU. I find he comes across as insightful and balanced, even trying to give helpful warnings.

I think Qaddafi is a lot more astute, forward thinking, and actually concerned for humanity than people give him credit for. It tires me to see the way he has been consistently demonized over the years. Surely he is not perfect - what "politician" is - but his past treatment is a model for the way Saddam was later viewed, as well as Ahmadenijad now.
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Turkey, Europe, and bin Ladens | from Muammar Gadafi's official website (http://www.algathafi.org/turky/turki-en.htm)

It is in Turkey's economic interest to be part of Europe. It is also in the interest of the Muslim world that an Islamic nation such as Turkey is within the European Union, as a Trojan horse. On the other hand, it is in the interest of Europe that Turkey is part of NATO only as a military colony and a military base for the Alliance, but it is not in its interest that Turkey be part of the European Union. Turkey is a tree, which roots are in Asia, and only its branch that touches Europe.
It is an Islamic state of a Sunni denomination, with orientalist traditions, customs, history, culture, attitude and taste.

Even its alphabets are not Latin in fact it spoiled the Latin alphabets.

Turkey is the cradle of the great Hittite historic orientalist Civilization. It was the centre of the vast Ottoman Empire and Islamic Caliphate. Turkey historically did not look into Europe but as an arena for expansion and conquests. Turkey' has for 55 years been trying to be a European state, but this did not materialize for objective reason far stronger than mere wishes and pragmatism. Admitting Turkey into European Union is like an attempt to transplant a human organ into a body of another person with a different blood group, and they never have any biological compatibility. Their only link is that they live in opposite blocks of flats across the street!

Europe and Germany in particular could benefit from Turkey's cheap labour, as immigrant workers, but not in their interest that such labour be from a Union member state, during which they will be entitled to rights not desired by Europe at all.

What is the interest of Europe if it is joined by a relatively backward (In comparison with Western progress) oriental state, as annual per capita in Turkey is less than 7000 dollars, whereas the lowest per capita in Europe is in Spain, 19,000 dollars, but in Germany 26,000 dollars. Child death rate in Turkey is 45 per one thousand ; whereas the rate in Europe is only 4 per one thousand. Inflation rate in Turkey is 70% and in Europe is 2-3%.

Nonetheless, it is possible one day to overcome such material discrepancies. But the thing that Europe will never be lenient on or adventure is that Turkey be a Trojan horse. The problem does not lie with the Turkish veterans and subsequent generation of politicians, who still revere Ataturk, but the problem lies in the new and future generation. Youth who are mentored by satellite channels and the Internet and acquire one lesson after another from Muslim World scholars, even from Ben Laden on daily and even on every hour bases, a matter that could not be prevented.

What if thousand of Turks study under Ben Laden, his group, Mullah Omar or his Loya Jirgah (Grand Assembly), a thing that is surely exists now. We say if only to alleviate the magnitude of the shock. For these consider Europe as an infidel and only merits conquering by the sword. They will not stop at the doors of Vienna, as the Ottomans did, but look forward to cross the Atlantic, and follow the footsteps of Auqba Ben Nafaa, who stood on the back of his horse on the Atlantic coast and said: `˜`˜O` God if I knew that there are people beyond You (Atlantic), I would cross on my horse to conquer and force them to embrace Islam". Auqba never knew then that there was a continent called America beyond the Atlantic. But these know very well what is beyond the Atlantic. These new generations do not recognize the abolition of capital punishment, because God in the Quran commands it. Even more, they will not accept but cutting off the hand of the thief as commanded by God. And scourging whoever commits adultery with one hundred stripes, as these are the limits (ordained) of Allah (God) . "And there is the life for you in retaliation, O men of understanding" and "Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-livers" .

Then when Turkey becomes a European member, they will not accept a ban on parties with Islamic titles in Turkey, whereas no ban on those with Christian titles in Europe. Then the new Muslim extremists who control power or the street in Turkey will not accept to be part of a Union which constitution does not provide for Islamic sharia and limits (ordained) of Allah. They could constitute a majority in the European parliament, because they will ban all means of contraceptives, for they believe it is not permitted. They believe in polygamy, maids and what the right hand possessed, i.e. European Christian women, thus Turkey will be the most populous state in Europe.

Then plans of Islamist Turks in Europe and obviously behind them the Islamic grass roots is to revive Albania as an Islamic state, as well as Bosnia. Therefore, infidel Europe, as they believe will be for the first time, before the pressure of the new European Islamic front behind which is the entire Muslim world, one which will force Europe into embracing Islam or pay poll tax, this is provided for in the Quran as a duty. Such information could be surprising or amusing to sum, but for Muslims it is a message from God that has to be realized.

The future from now on is for Islamic parties in Turkey and for supporters of Ben Laden. Subscription to any Islamic party particularly if they are newly formed in Turkey is surprising. In few years time, several millions including one million women joined one of the Islamic parties in Turkey. Ben Laden, the Mullahs and the Loya Jirgah (Grand Assembly) will be happy and indeed gainers if Turkey joins the European Union.

Furthermore, Turkey will drag with it to Europe a set of problems and indeed explosive ones, such as the Kurds problem, sectarian conflict, and a potential war over the Tigris and Euphrates, membership of the Organization of Islamic Conference, Islamic D8, and Turkey's roots in the Islamic Central Asian states. Seljuk and after them the Turks were a nation founded by conquests, they arrived at Anatolya by conquests and arrived at Constantinople by conquests and arrived even at Austria by conquests.

It was possible for me not to toll this alarm bell and not to uncover this horrifying map. However, due to my responsibility to the stability of the world in the first place and peace in the Mediterranean, which the Arab possess its southern coast- of which Libya occupies two-thousand kilometers of this southern coast- since there is no coast in the south without Libya. All this makes it incumbent upon me to speak out to the world about what I see as far as this strategic issue is concerned, which will have serious reflections that will touch my country, its region and then shacks the entire world, before it is to late and before a decision is taken that will have serious consequences.
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(I have no idea of the date of this piece. It's been on his site for months, is all I know.)
Title: Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
Post by: process on May 03, 2006, 03:50:20 PM
Europe will never be "Islamicized"; Europe is too thoroughly judaized/judeo-centric(as is the US) to allow it happen, the diversity-nics allowing all the excessive immigration are serving to not only destabilize and destroy our countries and peoples, but the Muslim world as well, with global jewry on top subjugating all sides to their benefit.
Title: Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
Post by: calrodin on May 03, 2006, 07:04:23 PM
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the diversity-nics allowing all the excessive immigration are serving to not only destabilize and destroy our countries and peoples, but the Muslim world as well,

Well I don't support war. Nor any kind of invade and invite strategy. But the problem in Europe is third world immigration - on top of the bipolar cultural so-called reality.
Title: Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
Post by: Nick and Donkey on May 03, 2006, 11:09:04 PM
Now, I like Gaddafi for his fierce independent streak and his penchant for thumbing his nose at Islamists and such assorted filth.

I have to assume that these comments were for domestic consumption and nothing else.

Naturally, there is no place for Islam in Europe since Islam is the traditional enemy of Europe and Christendom.
Title: Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
Post by: Nick and Donkey on May 03, 2006, 11:13:45 PM
"Europe is the Faith and the Faith is Europe".

It's the inherent liberalness in the EU Constitution that allows for the presence in great numbers of Europe's traditional enemies, Mohammedans, to infiltrate and subvert.

Therefore the two main enemies of Europe are liberalism and Islam.
Title: Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
Post by: dominique on May 03, 2006, 11:30:51 PM
Well I don't support war. Nor any kind of invade and invite strategy. But the problem in Europe is third world immigration - on top of the bipolar cultural so-called reality.

I understand what your saying, it's the same as the USA concern with Mexicans. My only hope is that balance can be achieved.

For me it is not the Muslim/Christian/Jew model of getting along...it is the rationalist vs religious extremist that have to make their peace...if they/we/all-of-us can.

That's why Qaddafi's "warning" is especially important... no matter how you slice it, this IS a culture war in many senses. Just pick you extremist group.

(Oh, and how dumb am I... it says "memri tv" right in your screenshot - I didn't even have to deduce it...)
Title: Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
Post by: Rudi Jan on May 04, 2006, 01:07:59 AM
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I think Qaddafi is a lot more astute, forward thinking, and actually concerned for humanity than people give him credit for. It tires me to see the way he has been consistently demonized over the years.

Ah, but you see, what you stated in the first sentence is the reason for your concern in the second. Anyone who is actually sincere in his beliefs and nationalistic in approach is targetted for demonization by the PTB. They simply cannot permit that sort of integrity.
Title: Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
Post by: Sue on May 04, 2006, 10:42:46 AM
I have to agree with the logic, Gaddafi is right.
Title: Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
Post by: Sue on May 04, 2006, 10:48:04 AM
Anyone who is actually sincere in his beliefs and nationalistic in approach is targetted for demonization by the PTB. They simply cannot permit that sort of integrity.
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Yes, that is absolutely correct.....and the "Oscar" goes to the directors of divide and conquer?  :o
Title: Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
Post by: Thunderpants on May 04, 2006, 10:51:10 AM
What is the interest of Europe if it is joined by a relatively backward (In comparison with Western progress) oriental state, as annual per capita in Turkey is less than 7000 dollars, whereas the lowest per capita in Europe is in Spain, 19,000 dollars, but in Germany 26,000 dollars. Child death rate in Turkey is 45 per one thousand ; whereas the rate in Europe is only 4 per one thousand. Inflation rate in Turkey is 70% and in Europe is 2-3%.


Cheap legal labour.
Title: Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
Post by: tinymind on May 05, 2006, 10:24:19 AM
Gadaffi is a useful idiot - he's basically unhinged.

When Germany goes Muslim, I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of job Mercedes' Turkish owners/designers do of the 2012 S-class.
Title: Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 07, 2006, 10:25:15 AM
A cursory reading of Qaddafi's article discloses some of the reasons that the West will continue to reduce the terminally collapsed millennial muslim world:  "young Turks" (the colloquialism refers to young men "feeling their oats" and aggressively seeking to "put the world at right") have adopted radicalism imported from the West, reputed "muslim scholars" such as 'Ali Shari'ati and Maudoodi (and Qaddafi, none of whom are muslim scholars) have re-written dialectical materialist Marxist-Leninist theories into seemingly muslim rhetoric, and disfranchised and oppressed muslims suffering under western colonial nationalist regimes have abandoned faith and patience for essentially Marxist anti-colonial movements that have nowhere been successful.

Meanwhile, the traditional European cultures of brigandage, oppression and aggression (viz. the Roman empires, the Dark Ages, and European colonialism) have consolidated their vicarious hegemony over the bulk of the millennial muslim world by virtue of the terminal collapse of that world, which began a scant thirty years after the death of the prophet and continued for the remainder of its thousand-year term.  Qaddafi sees "Europe's interest" as perpetuation of this culture of outlawry, which of course its leaders see also.

Is Qaddafi "astute, forward thinking, and actually concerned for humanity"?  I think not.  He sees the "Islam" that he thinks will "conquer" Europe as a more efficient system of oppression, which is what predictably replaced Islam as the dominant political dynamic within a century after the Revelation.  Will Europe embrace Islam?  I think so, gradually and eventually.  Not because of what Qaddafi describes, but because those in the West who examine Islam find it to be God's mandate for universal liberty, prohibition of coercive government, and safeguards for the bases of liberty ~ inviolable sanctity of private property (elimination of "eminent domain"), abolition of legislative powers, restraint of executive political administration, local autonomy within federated sovereign republics, and prohibition of coercion whether physical, economic, or social.  In short, practical and effective libertarianism in the absense of oppressive institutions whether political, religious, legal, financial, or "educational."  In a word, Liberty.

I dismissed Qaddafi as a "muslim leader" in 1973, and the muslims around me wanted to lynch me.  Two years later, they had all realized that he was just another socialist politician dressed in Islamic garb.

He hasn't changed in the intervening thirty years.
Title: Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
Post by: Nick and Donkey on May 07, 2006, 11:16:32 PM
What a total load of shit:

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Will Europe embrace Islam?  I think so, gradually and eventually.  Not because of what Qaddafi describes, but because those in the West who examine Islam find it to be God's mandate for universal liberty, prohibition of coercive government, and safeguards for the bases of liberty ~ inviolable sanctity of private property (elimination of "eminent domain"), abolition of legislative powers, restraint of executive political administration, local autonomy within federated sovereign republics, and prohibition of coercion whether physical, economic, or social.  In short, practical and effective libertarianism in the absense of oppressive institutions whether political, religious, legal, financial, or "educational."  In a word, Liberty.

Islam, meaning "submission", is the antithesis of liberty.

Orwellian indeed.
Title: Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
Post by: Fahey on May 07, 2006, 11:22:26 PM
Why are you bringing up "liberty"?  You haven't cared about it since you were known as "ThoughtCriminal," some five "handles" ago.
Title: Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 07, 2006, 11:37:25 PM
Why are you bringing up "liberty"?  You haven't cared about it since you were known as "ThoughtCriminal," some five "handles" ago.

Some people wouldn't know liberty if it walked up and smacked'em with a two-by-four to get their attention ~ which is what it would take.
Title: Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
Post by: Nick and Donkey on May 07, 2006, 11:48:33 PM
Why are you bringing up "liberty"?  You haven't cared about it since you were known as "ThoughtCriminal," some five "handles" ago.

Because WRS brought up it.
Title: Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
Post by: Nick and Donkey on May 07, 2006, 11:49:05 PM
Why are you bringing up "liberty"?  You haven't cared about it since you were known as "ThoughtCriminal," some five "handles" ago.

Some people wouldn't know liberty if it walked up and smacked'em with a two-by-four to get their attention ~ which is what it would take.

Perfect description of Mohammedans.  Thx.
Title: Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
Post by: Thunderpants on May 08, 2006, 09:09:35 AM
Why are you bringing up "liberty"?  You haven't cared about it since you were known as "ThoughtCriminal," some five "handles" ago.

Some people wouldn't know liberty if it walked up and smacked'em with a two-by-four to get their attention ~ which is what it would take.

Yeah, the liberty enjoyed by women in theocratic Islamicf states fair oozes through the burka.
Title: Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
Post by: calrodin on May 09, 2006, 03:16:19 PM
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This translation looked suspiciously to me like one from MEMRI. Turns out when I went to the original blog entry, I was right.

I don't see why it being posted on Memri takes away from the fact that Gaddafi said it on Al-Jazeera. I gave exactly where I got it from as you said - which was a blog which gave the details of both.

It nonetheless makes an interesting proposition. If things continue as they are, Europe most definitely will become Muslim within the next 60 years or so. I, however, don't believe things are going to continue as they are - not that I can see round the corner to what things may bring - but there is a possibility of a revolutionary civil war and real political upheaval in Europe which will probably bring the despised EU to its knees and reform the nation states (and therefore yield real nationalism). The other alternatives are the neoconservative globalisation strategies. 3 options, only one is good to my mind.

France 2007 will steer the course. And allow us to see better.
Title: US to Normalize Ties With Libya
Post by: dominique on May 15, 2006, 07:12:46 PM
US to Normalize Ties With Libya

By Meredith Buel
Washington
15 May 2006

(see story link below for audio links)

The United States has decided to restore normal diplomatic relations with Libya for the first time in a quarter of a century, and will remove it from a list of state sponsors of terrorism.

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said in a statement the actions were being taken because of Libya's commitment to renounce terrorism and cooperate in the global war on terror.

The announcement culminates a process that began a few years ago, when Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi agreed to dismantle his nuclear weapons program. President Bush lifted most sanctions against Libya in 2004.

The State Department's coordinator for Counterterrorism, Henry Crumpton, says Libya is making valuable contributions to the security of the United States.

"This is not only about Libya not supporting terrorist groups. It is about their cooperation with us and with other partners in this global fight. The cooperation in intelligence is strong and getting stronger," he said. "They have made direct and important contributions to our national security. They have worked with us to track operatives and networks of terrorist groups throughout the region, some leading into Iraq."


Moammar Gadhafi (file photo)

The United States imposed sanctions on Libya in 1986, blaming Tripoli for the bombing of a Berlin disco that killed two U.S. soldiers and a Turkish woman.

Two Libyan intelligence agents were also indicted and found guilty of involvement in the 1988 bombing of Pan Am flight 103 that was blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland, killing 270 people.

Libya turned over those agents for trial, and agreed to pay compensation to families of victims.

Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs, David Welch, says he hopes the change in U.S. relations with Libya will send a message to other nations.

"Today's announcement demonstrates that, when countries make a decision to adhere to international norms of behavior, they will reap concrete benefits," noted Welch. "Libya serves as an important model, as we push for changes in policy by other countries, such as Iran and North Korea."

Welch says the United States remains concerned about human rights issues in Libya, specifically the case of five Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor sentenced to death on charges of infecting children with the virus that causes AIDS. Libya's Supreme Court later overturned the death sentence and ordered a retrial.

"The steps we announce today don't eliminate our concerns over other aspects of Libya's behavior," he added. "Instead, these steps will enable us to engage with the Libyans more effectively on all issues. In particular, we continue to call upon Libya to improve its human rights record, and to address in good faith cases pending in U.S. courts with regard to its terrorist activities in the 1980s."

Welch says the United States will soon upgrade its liaison office in Tripoli to a full embassy.

http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-05-15-voa19.cfm (http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-05-15-voa19.cfm)

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Comment:

It's about TIME!

Btw, I suspect Libya had nothing to do with Flt 103, personally.

I also question that "AIDS scare" where nurses were supposedly infecting patients with the virus.
Title: Gadhafi feels insulted, quits AL summit
Post by: FLAT_HEADED_RUSSIAN on March 30, 2009, 04:37:13 PM
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http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=90048&sectionid=351020506 (http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=90048&sectionid=351020506)
Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:53:19 GMT
Libyan Leader Muammar al-Gadhafi stormed out of the Arab League summit in Doha following the disruption of his address to the Saudi monarch.

The former head of the Arab League walked out of the summit venue in the Qatari capital on Monday in protest to Qatar's Emir Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani's move to interrupt his address to the Saudi Arabian King, Abdullah Bin Abdul Aziz.

Qatar's Emir switched off the Libyan president's microphone, allegedly to stop him from making anti-Saudi remarks, a Fars news reporter at the summit reported.

However, Gadhafi surprised Sheikh Hamad by asking the Saudi king to re-engage in peaceful negotiations with Libya.

He stated that a five-year row in diplomatic ties between the two countries should be brought to an end, apologizing to the Saudi King for past disagreements, while laying the blame on the US and the UK for breeding the ongoing differences between the two Arab nations.

The Qatari Emir, though, reportedly expressed regret for cutting the Libyan leader's speech.

Nonetheless, Gadhafi left the summit, saying that the Emir's move was offensive towards him.

Relations between the two states have been marred over a 2003 incident in which Saudi Arabia asked Libya's ambassador to leave the country due to an alleged plot to assassinate King Abdullah.

Libya has denied involvement in any such plot.

Title: Re: Gadhafi feels insulted, quits AL summit
Post by: bpocatch on March 30, 2009, 06:34:30 PM
Cut his mike off? wtf

You know maybe the jews are right ... nah
Title: Re: Gadhafi feels insulted, quits AL summit
Post by: EyeBelieve on March 30, 2009, 07:49:05 PM
Gadafi is right to leave the summit if it is dominated by sell-out crooks like the Emir & the Saudis.  The Saudis' bogus claim of a Libyan assassination plot is yet another example of their work (at British direction) of fomenting the GWOT.  Here's an article about an MI6 terrorist bombing in SA & the Saudi cover-up: http://cryptome.org/mi6-bombings.htm (http://cryptome.org/mi6-bombings.htm)
Title: Re: Gadhafi feels insulted, quits AL summit
Post by: FrankDialogue on March 30, 2009, 09:01:33 PM
Quite a good article, and it confirms what I have always felt about allegations that MI6 is a big time player in the 'WOT'...They are simply too weak and incompetent :

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The polarization of British society goes a long way to explain how an organization run by public schoolboys like Dearlove decided to used a working class Scotsman to blow up a working class Englishman.


They are simply too 'effete' to be able to pull off large scale 'false flag' terror...Especialy far from home.
Title: Re: Gadhafi feels insulted, quits AL summit
Post by: dean_saor on March 31, 2009, 08:49:02 AM
They may or may not be public school types, as there are fantasists and wets at all levels of any society. The Foreign Office seems to pick them up mostly from Oxford and Cambridge universities. The people who run MI5 & 6 inhabit a fantasy world of John Le Carre novels. Many public school men were independent-minded characters who actually did things - like Ran Fiennes, Dwin Brammall, David Niven, David Stirling, Fox Davies, or David Lloyd Owen. Though with the more recent crop of self-indulgent sods who thought derivatives trading was a neat idea, you're probably right about the security services being stuffed with the effete (known as 'wets').

Title: Re: Gadhafi feels insulted, quits AL summit
Post by: EyeBelieve on March 31, 2009, 08:39:32 PM
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They are simply too 'effete' to be able to pull off large scale 'false flag' terror...Especialy far from home

Well MI6 might have botched the Saudi bombing a bit but with a complacent MSM that's not so much of a worry.  I disagree with your view of MI6 as being incompetent.  Britain has a long tradition of experts that can speak the foreign languages, work intimately with the various locals etc.  But the USA sends redneck soldiers who can't be bothered to learn a few phrases in Arabic, Pashtun etc.  The staged 7/7 London bombings were an absolute master-stroke.  After the Brits were caught leaving microphoned rocks in Moscow a Russian was quoted as saying that British intelligence was the best because of their "boundless hypocrisy". ;)
Title: Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
Post by: laconas on August 20, 2009, 05:55:48 PM
Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest

Published: August 21 2009 03:00 | Last updated: August 21 2009 03:00

By Andrew Bolger in Edinburgh, Daniel Dombey in,Washington and Heba Saleh in Cairo

President Barack Obama yesterday criticised Scotland's decision to free the Lockerbie bomber, and called on Libya to keep him under house arrest.

The call came as hundreds of Libyans gathered at the airport in Tripoli to welcome Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi, and waved national flags as his car sped out of the airport - even though victims' relatives said they had understood there would be no hero's welcome.

Kenny MacAskill, Scotland's justice secretary, said Mr Megrahi, who has a life expectancy of less than three months, was released on compassionate grounds.

"We have been in contact with the Scottish government, indicating that we objected to this," Mr Obama told a US radio programme. "And we thought it was a mistake. We're now in contact with the Libyan government, and want to make sure that . . . he's not welcomed back in some way, but instead should be under house arrest."

In a striking series of protests against a decision by an ally, Hillary Clinton, US secretary of state, called the bombing a "heinous crime", while Eric Holder, attorney- general, said the interests of justice had "not been served" by the decision.

Mr Megrahi was serving a 27-year sentence for the murder of 270 people, most of them American, when Pan Am Flight 103 was blown up in 1988 over the Scottish town of Lockerbie.

Mr MacAskill said he stood by the conviction of Mr Megrahi, who had shown no compassion. But he said that alone was not reason to deny compassion to him in his final days. Mr MacAskill said: "Our beliefs dictate that justice be served, but mercy be shown."

David Cameron, leader of the UK opposition Conservative party, attacked the decision as "completely nonsensical". "This man was convicted of murdering 270 people. He showed no compassion to them. They weren't allowed to go home and die with their relatives in their own bed. And I think this is a very bad decision," he said.

His remarks are the first intervention by a senior politician in Westminster. Gordon Brown, UK prime minister, has so far declined to comment.

Mr Megrahi, 57, was the only person convicted for the bombing. He lost an appeal against his conviction in 2002. He abandoned a second appeal this week.

Suse Lowenstein, of Montauk, New York, whose son, Alexander, was killed at the age of 21, said: "It is so devastating and it is difficult for me to accept that the one man we had responsible for the murders of our son, and the 270 victims in total, is now going home to die in the arms of his family. It is just beyond comprehension."

Mr MacAskill accepted that questions had to be answered about the bombing, but these were beyond the jurisdiction of Scots law.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2256498a-8deb-11de-93df-00144feabdc0.html
Title: Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
Post by: laconas on August 20, 2009, 06:48:39 PM
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Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest

House Arrest = not being able to speak freely to the press

What a PR nightmare for the J-ws in the Arabic speaking world.
Title: Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
Post by: wag on August 20, 2009, 07:12:27 PM
That's not something that can't be easily managed via the mainstream media.
Title: Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
Post by: Judson on August 20, 2009, 07:14:20 PM
Watching early morning TV this morning and saw the live pictures of this man departing Scotland and the Jewish media personnel were almost in shock when they showed the plane taking to the air. I don't know if this man committed the act or not, but it does seem most incredulous that one man could plan and execute such a daring feat without any help.
Title: Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
Post by: laconas on August 20, 2009, 07:28:42 PM
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I don't know if this man committed the act or not, but it does seem most incredulous that one man could plan and execute such a daring feat without any help.

If the J-ws had any proof he did it they would have presented the evidence on TV 24/7.
Title: Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
Post by: laconas on August 20, 2009, 07:33:25 PM
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That's not something that can't be easily managed via the mainstream media.

Ali has to be kept quiet until he dies. I'm sure the Libyan govt. has been warned of the consequences if Ali is allowed to speak freely.
Title: Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
Post by: Judson on August 20, 2009, 07:49:38 PM
It seems that the efforts of the Jews to enslave most Americans is not too difficult for them to do these days ... so many of these willing tools of the Jews actually seek to impede anyone who stands up to the alien ba*tards ... all in the name of honoring the red, white, and the blue, without seeing that these creatures are not Americans of the Jewish faith,  but rather,  are Jews first and foremost and seek to undermine this Republic and its laws.
Title: Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
Post by: laconas on August 20, 2009, 08:18:10 PM
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It seems that the efforts of the Jews to enslave most Americans is not too difficult for them to do these days ...

Not too hard at all. During the 60's they got black kids to break-up stores in the inner city, later they got every college kid convinced it was Nixon who started the Vietnam War, later under Reagan they convinced the conservative middle class to support bringing j-w power back to Russia, under Clinton they convinced every American to put money in Wall St., under Bush the fundi-mentals were kings of this world and the next world to come, and under Obama the retro 60's kids are tied to the net through the Obama network believing they are bringing change.

Nothing has changed, and there's always a group out there the J-ws can use.
Title: Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
Post by: Judson on August 20, 2009, 08:34:48 PM
Yeah ... the French do know something about how much things have changed.

Their adage is that the more things change the more they stay the same ...

we no longer see the Conservative but now it is the neo-Conservative .... aka as the Jewish invasion.
Title: Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
Post by: EyeBelieve on August 22, 2009, 08:16:32 AM
Obama's protestations about Megrahi's release are just posturing so he won't appear soft on terrorism.  In reality he is quite the London/Wall St tool.  Well it's entertaining to see the London guys trip over themselves in trying to explain their hypocritical u-turn on Libya.  It's Scottish "compassion" they say (I've never seen those two words together before).  BBC & other media say the trial was flawed.  Whatever.  Since the public is so dumbed-down & forgets so quickly, the imperialists can get away with this nonsense.

BTW I noticed that the Judicial page on Lockerbie claims that the bomb was intended to explode over the ocean but a delay caused it to explode over Scotland.  I disagree.  1st Britain is the likely culprit and having the incident on their own territory gives them control over the evidence, trials & propaganda.  2nd a crash on land is much better than at sea to give the maximum psychological effect to the public.
Title: Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
Post by: Judson on August 22, 2009, 11:56:52 AM
Yeah this bombing was planned to happen just as it did ... recovered bodies and wreckage over land with the guilty culprits also being able to display or hide whatever evidence they chose to. For a plan it worked just beautifully ... the dead people being counted as collateral losses.

Found the following report very amusing ... what hypocrits these Washington people are!


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FBI director rips release of Lockerbie bomber

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FBI Director Robert Mueller thundered down on Scotland's justice minister for releasing the Lockerbie bomber, an act that "gives comfort to terrorists" all over the world.

Mueller sent a scathing letter to Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill, who cited compassionate grounds in his decision to let Abdel Baset al-Megrahi return to Libya because he has prostate cancer and was given only months to live by British doctors.

The angry tone of the letter is out of character with the normally reserved Mueller, indicating his outrage is personal as well as professional. He also sent copies to the families of the Lockerbie victims.
Title: Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
Post by: laconas on August 22, 2009, 03:56:22 PM
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Well it's entertaining to see the London guys trip over themselves in trying to explain their hypocritical u-turn on Libya.

I think it's good that the J-ws don't have absolute control over the Sottish govt. and people at the top there had the balls to make this decision in spite of J-wish pressure.
Title: Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
Post by: EyeBelieve on August 22, 2009, 06:08:47 PM
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I think it's good that the J-ws don't have absolute control over the Sottish govt. and people at the top there had the balls to make this decision in spite of J-wish pressure.

For a major issue like this there's no way that London would give Scotland leeway to make their own decision.  Sure some Zionists are griping about the deal, so what, they gotta bitch about something.  The savvier Jews know that they gotta concentrate on demonizing Iran & also Syria & Lebanon.  Libya was always more of a symbolic target, never to be attacked seriously, just harassed endlessly until Kaddafi caves in & gives London/Wall St his oil.

People have to realize that the City of London & Zionist imperialism are one & the same thing.  Tel Aviv is just a branch office.
Title: Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
Post by: laconas on August 22, 2009, 06:24:50 PM
You're probably right, a deal was struck between Libya and the people of satan.
Title: Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 16, 2011, 10:33:56 AM
Violent protests erupt in Libya

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/165500.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/165500.html)

Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:23PM

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Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi delivers a speech behind bullet proof glass, at the city of Benghazi, Libya, February 25, 2010.

Libyan security forces have clashed with thousands of pro-democracy protesters and arrested scores of opposition supporters in the Libyan city of Benghazi.

Clashes erupted on Tuesday night after police forces detained an outspoken critic of President Muammar Gaddafi.

Medics say at least 40 people were injured in clashes between the government vigilantes and protesters.

The demonstrators chanted anti-government slogans and set fire to vehicles.

Libyans are reportedly planning to hold mass rallies on Thursday, as the people-powered revolution continues to sweep the Arab World.

The demonstrations come days after a revolution ousted president Hosni Mubarak from power in Egypt.

Media Reports say Gaddafi fears his country may soon face protests similar to those in Tunisia and Egypt.

Sources say Gaddafi has held a series of meetings in recent days with top officials within his regime to discuss concerns in the event of large-scale protests.

Gaddafi has been in power for over 40 years after assuming control in a military coup during the 1960s.

A recent report published in Mail Online under the title "Now even Mad Dog Gaddafi faces a Day of Rage" writes that even Libyans are now daring to hope that the 41-year-long rule of Gaddafi might be coming to an end.

The report added that underground opposition groups and civil society movements were planning to hold mass pro-democracy protests in major cities across the country in the coming days.

"Behind the closed doors of their homes, they discussed whether the winds of change might blow through their own country," the report said.


LW - 'Democracy' seems to be all the rage in Northern Africa, or at least that's the buzzword accompanying the reports and news coming from the media worldwide. Some one tell me that if this is indeed being orchestrated by Jewish interests cui bono? In economic terms this serves the oil cartel by driving prices up. Should the Arab nations remove the puppet regimes that have been imposed on them since WW2 and no longer go along with a passive stance toward Israeli aggression the odds are the whole Levant will be engulfed in wars that undoubtedly precipitate Pikes War. Pike of course did not anticipate the establishment of Israel in the middle of the theater where he imagined a final war of mutual destruction between Christians and Moslems to occur. To imagine that Israel would not affected is simply unrealistic. That begs the question... is Israel itself to be sacrificed for the global interests of their masters? Although I have long held that Israel, with a population of around 6 million may very well be a manifestation of the Jewish myth of sacrifice by fire known as the holocaust. Life imitating art? A self fulfilling prophecy? Such conjecture touches on the concept of an over arching spiritual war. In that case analyzing the strategic and economic factors becomes almost pointless except perhaps as a guide to events of a short term nature.

Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 18, 2011, 10:56:59 PM
Libya unrest death toll reaches 84: HRW

Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:10AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/165932.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/165932.html)

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Thousands of demonstrators gathered in the eastern Libyan cities of Benghazi, Baida, Ajdabiya, Zawiya, and Derna on February 18, 2011.

At least 84 protesters have lost their lives and hundreds wounded in Libya in three days of pro-democracy protests in the African country, Human Rights Watch (HRW) says.

According to HRW, security forces killed 20 people in the eastern city of Benghazi, 23 in the eastern Libyan town of al-Baida, three in Ajdabiya, and three in Derna in a matter of days, Reuters reported.

In addition, 35 people lost their lives in Benghazi on Friday, nearly all with live ammunition, said the Human Rights Watch, adding that it has compiled the figures based upon telephone interviews with hospital staffers and witnesses.

It also hit out at the crackdown on protesters in Libya, saying "The Libyan authorities should immediately end attacks on peaceful protesters and protect them from assault by pro-government armed groups."

Anti-government protests sparked by the popular revolutions that deposed long-serving rulers of neighboring Egypt and Tunisia have engulfed Libya this week with thousands of people flocking the streets of the eastern city of Benghazi, and calling for the ouster of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, who has been in office since September 1969.

On Friday, protesters camped out in Benghazi, which is about 1,000 km (600 miles) east of Tripoli to join funeral processions for at least 24 people who, according to HRW, were killed in demonstrations on Wednesday and Thursday.

In another sign of growing disorder in Libya, about 1,000 inmates broke out of a prison in Benghazi, and three convicts were killed by security forces when they tried to flee another prison outside Tripoli.

Gaddafi's regime vowed on Friday to strike down attempts to challenge the Libyan leader, after an opposition "Day of Anger" turned into a bloodbath that killed scores of people.

Meanwhile, Gaddafi's supporters held a pro-government rally in the capital, Tripoli. The 68-year-old leader reportedly attended the rally.

The human rights group Amnesty International has also urged the Libyan government to stop its crackdown on peaceful demonstrations.

Gaddafi came to power 41 years ago in a bloodless military coup. Speculations are rife that he has held emergency talks with the country's top officials amid growing concerns that the ongoing protests could presage similar revolutions in Egypt and Tunisia.
Title: Who is sniping the Libyans
Post by: wag on February 20, 2011, 08:21:11 AM
A sign of things to come?
Title: Re: Who is sniping the Libyans
Post by: FLAT_HEADED_RUSSIAN on February 20, 2011, 09:27:48 AM
Jews and Jews for Hire
Title: Re: Who is sniping the Libyans
Post by: gelignite on February 20, 2011, 11:16:06 AM
Jews and Jews for Hire

Maybe it was Jewba.
Title: Re: Who is sniping the Libyans
Post by: ChrisPDX on February 20, 2011, 02:48:09 PM
I have a hunch:

Libya has its own private bank. http://cbl.gov.ly/en/ (http://cbl.gov.ly/en/)  I have a hunch that since we are having trouble controlling Iran, we are going after Libya to steal their oil and force them to use our banking system.

The banking monsters have an insatiable appetite and probably are hungry for new blood.   

I can't help to be suspicious of all these revolts.

So I voted for "1 and 2"
Title: Re: Who is sniping the Libyans
Post by: FLAT_HEADED_RUSSIAN on February 20, 2011, 02:56:17 PM
Libya is a very small poor nation.
Their bank is not rich.
They are firing mortar rounds at civies attending a funeral - jews
Gaddafi is OUT, he just doesn't know it yet
the more violent he becomes the quicker he is out
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 20, 2011, 05:06:30 PM
'50 more people killed in Libya'

Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:37PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/166220.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/166220.html)

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People climb flag poles in front of a building purported to be the internal security headquarters in Libya's second city of Benghazi in this still grab taken from video uploaded February 20, 2011.

At least 50 people have been killed in the Libyan city of Benghazi since 1300 GMT on Sunday, as protests calling for Muammar Gaddafi's ouster grow more violent, a doctor in the city says.

"Today has been a real tragedy ... since 3 p.m. (1300 GMT) and up to 9:15 p.m., we received 50 dead, mostly from bullet wounds," Habib al-Obaid, a doctor at al-Jalae hospital, said on Sunday.

"There are 200 wounded, 100 of them are in very serious conditions," he was quoted as saying by Reuters.

The repression became bloodier on Sunday when security forces opened fire on thousands of people who had gathered to mourn for those killed on Saturday clashes in Benghazi.

Libya's envoy to the Arab League Abdel Moneim al-Honi has submitted his resignation "in protest against the acts of repression and violence against demonstrators" and has joined the "revolution."

US has also condemned the suppression of pro-democracy protesters and expressed concern about "disturbing reports and images coming out of Libya."

Reports have put the number of people killed in the country's second largest city, Benghazi at more than 200 over the past days.

Residents in Benghazi reported that there was no electricity in parts of the city and tanks were stationed outside the city's main courthouse. Benghazi's airport is also reported closed.

The rights group Amnesty International has urged the Libyan government to stop its crackdown on peaceful demonstrations.

Latest figures show the death toll from clashes in Libya's massive popular uprising is nearing 300.

Protesters have been demanding the ouster of the Libyan leader, who has been in power for over 40 years.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 20, 2011, 05:10:25 PM
Gaddafi's son rejects death numbers

Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:4AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/166236.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/166236.html)

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Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi's son Seif al-Islam

The son of Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi, Seif al-Islam, has rejected reports that more than 250 people have been killed in the ongoing unrest in the country.

In a televised speech on Sunday, Seif al-Islam said protesters attacked the roadblocks in Benghazi because they were furious, and 84 people were killed since the onset of massive demonstrations six days ago, Xinhua reported.

Earlier on Sunday, security forces opened fire on thousands of people who had gathered to mourn for those killed on Saturday clashes in the eastern city of Benghazi.

Seif al-Islam also said that dozens of protesters were arrested, including some campaigners, and the unrest was a plot against Libya orchestrated by foreign elements in the country.

Gaddafi's 38-year-old son further rejected widespread speculations that Libya may be the next country after Tunisia and Egypt to see popular revolution.

He emphasized that Libya is different from the two other African states and any separation will make the country fall back to the situation 60 or 70 years ago.

Seif al-Islam also warned of civil war in Libya and denied reports that his father has left the country for Venezuela.

Thousands of people took to the streets of Benghazi since last week, calling for the ouster of the 68-year-old Gaddafi, who has been in office since September 1969.

Meanwhile, the European Union on Sunday condemned in the strongest possible terms the Libyan governments' bloody crackdown against pro-democracy protesters and urged an end to the violence.

"We condemn the repression against peaceful demonstrators and deplore the violence and the death of civilians," said a statement issued after a meeting of European foreign ministers.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 20, 2011, 05:12:17 PM
Gaddafi leaves Libya: Report

Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:44PM

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Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi

Libya's Muammar Gaddafi has left his country for Venezuela or Brazil, as protests calling on him to step down have turned violent, a report says.

Government's crackdown on people to put down the protests against Gaddafi's 41-year rule turned out to be counterproductive as demonstrations continued on Sunday.

The repression became bloodier when security forces opened fire on thousands of people gathered to mourn for those killed on Saturday clashes in Benghazi.

EU and US have condemned the suppression of pro-democracy protesters and expressed concern about "disturbing reports and images coming out of Libya."

The rights group Amnesty International has also urged the Libyan government to stop its crackdown on peaceful demonstrations.

Meanwhile, Libyan envoy to the Arab League Abdel Moneim al-Honi and the country's Ambassador to China Hussein Sadeq Al Misurati, have resigned to join the protests.

Al-Honi has submitted his resignation "in protest against the acts of repression and violence against demonstrators."

Al Misurati told Al Jazeera TV that he was not "honored to represent a regime that kills its people."

An opposition leader has said that all tribes across the country have joined the anti-government protests, reports said.

Latest figures show the death toll from clashes in Libya's massive popular uprising is nearing 300.
Title: Re: Who is sniping the Libyans
Post by: wag on February 20, 2011, 05:13:56 PM
Libya is a very small poor nation.
Their bank is not rich.
They are firing mortar rounds at civies attending a funeral - jews
Gaddafi is OUT, he just doesn't know it yet
the more violent he becomes the quicker he is out

When dictators say bad things about zionists, those dictators tend to have to go on the defensive.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Sue on February 20, 2011, 07:47:45 PM
'Gaddafi's son seen killing protesters'

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Son of Libya's ruler Muammar Gaddafi has been seen killing pro-democracy protesters as the explosion of anger continues to rock the country, a report says. One of Gaddafi's sons is said to have collaborated with the security forces in shooting the protesters as part of crackdown on demonstrations.

This is while Habib al-Obaid, a doctor at al-Jalae hospital, stated on Sunday that at least 50 people were killed in the Libyan city of Benghazi since 1300 GMT on Sunday. In a televised address on Sunday, Gaddafi's son Seif al-Islam claimed that 84 protesters died in Libya, dismissing reports that more than 250 people were killed in nearly a week-long unrest. He said that Libya was on the brink of civil war and branded the unprecedented protests against his father's rule "a foreign plot."

Seif al-Islam, however, admitted there were "mistakes" by police and military forces, who were not trained to deal with crowds. He also accused protesters of trying to break up the country, and stressed that "Libya is not Tunisia or Egypt."

Thousands of people took to the streets of Benghazi since last week, calling for the ouster of the 68-year-old Gaddafi, who has been in office since September 1969.

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Title: Re: Who is sniping the Libyans
Post by: laconas on February 20, 2011, 07:49:14 PM
I have a hunch:

Libya has its own private bank. http://cbl.gov.ly/en/ (http://cbl.gov.ly/en/)  I have a hunch that since we are having trouble controlling Iran, we are going after Libya to steal their oil and force them to use our banking system.

The banking monsters have an insatiable appetite and probably are hungry for new blood.   

I can't help to be suspicious of all these revolts.

So I voted for "1 and 2"

Libya doesn't have any debt. I checked the CIA factbook the other day.
Title: Re: Who is sniping the Libyans
Post by: Spahi on February 20, 2011, 08:27:42 PM
I have a hunch:

Libya has its own private bank. http://cbl.gov.ly/en/ (http://cbl.gov.ly/en/)  I have a hunch that since we are having trouble controlling Iran, we are going after Libya to steal their oil and force them to use our banking system.

The banking monsters have an insatiable appetite and probably are hungry for new blood.  

I can't help to be suspicious of all these revolts.

So I voted for "1 and 2"

Well they certainly aren't after the beautiful ruins and scenery along the coast...or are they? There was actually a large Jewish riot against the Romans there. Is this them trying to steal even more land they think belongs to them?
Title: Re: Who is sniping the Libyans
Post by: FLAT_HEADED_RUSSIAN on February 21, 2011, 03:41:04 AM
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When dictators say bad things about zionists, those dictators tend to have to go on the defensive
@ssh0le Gaddafi is a Jew and so is his 'boy'
hez 0ut
Title: Re: Who is sniping the Libyans
Post by: wag on February 21, 2011, 05:50:14 AM
@ssh0le Gaddafi is a Jew and so is his 'boy'
hez 0ut

You may want to go off your meds.  The rogue colonel?
Title: Re: Who is sniping the Libyans
Post by: wag on February 21, 2011, 06:00:11 AM
Libya doesn't have any debt. I checked the CIA factbook the other day.

Not all of the photos are photoshopped.
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Title: Re: Who is sniping the Libyans
Post by: wag on February 21, 2011, 06:06:16 AM
You may want to go off your meds.  The rogue colonel?

The colonel has been in power for 40 years.  But it is the popular son (the one that survived the bombing that killed his brother) that may pose the biggest problem to the jews.   
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Title: Re: Who is sniping the Libyans
Post by: laconas on February 21, 2011, 06:44:10 AM
The colonel has been in power for 40 years.  But it is the popular son (the one that survived the bombing that killed his brother) that may pose the biggest problem to the jews.   
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The Jews will probably take the son out and there won't be much sympathy from the rest of the Arab world.
Title: Re: Who is sniping the Libyans
Post by: jewbacca on February 21, 2011, 07:11:11 AM
rothschilds seek to destroy islamic banking since it threatens their favorite weapon: usury.

http://www.puppet99.com/?p=126
Title: Re: Who is sniping the Libyans
Post by: FLAT_HEADED_RUSSIAN on February 21, 2011, 07:26:49 AM
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You may want to go off your meds.  The rogue colonel?
I'm gonna have u supremicist crypto-kikes fer lunch :)
Title: Re: Who is sniping the Libyans
Post by: FLAT_HEADED_RUSSIAN on February 21, 2011, 07:29:03 AM
wag:
just keep to u'r Gay Pussy Russian News items  pleeze
Title: Re: Who is sniping the Libyans
Post by: laconas on February 21, 2011, 08:11:20 AM
rothschilds seek to destroy islamic banking since it threatens their favorite weapon: usury.

http://www.puppet99.com/?p=126

Yep.

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Background: Tunisia has undergone increasing economic liberalization over the last decade: In the 2010-2011 World Economic Forum’s Global Competitiveness Report, it was ranked as the most competitive country in Africa, as well as the 32nd most economically competitive country globally.   North Africa’s large Muslim populations are a vast business opportunity for Islamic banking and other businesses.
Jacob Rothschild, senior member of the British branch of the Rothschild dynasty

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Jacob Rothschild, senior member of the British branch of the Rothschild dynasty

Contrary to popular belief, the world’s finances are controlled by privately-owned “central banks” masquerading as federal government banks in nearly every country in the world  [The U.S. Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit, ruled that The Federal Reserve (U.S.' central bank) was privately owned in 680 F.2d 1239, LEWIS v. UNITED STATES of America, No. 80-5905].

Though it is a carefully guarded secret, the Rothschilds and their associates own most the shares in the central banks (Federal Reserve Directors: A Study of Corporate and Banking Influence, Committee on Banking, Currency and Housing, House of Representatives, 1976, Charts 1-5) (Mullins, Eustice  Secrets of the Federal Reserve 1983).   With extremely little government input, the economies of Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, Jordan, and Algeria are strictly controlled by the Rothschild’s central banks and their International Monetary Fund.

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THE MOTIVE: FOLLOW THE MONEY

Islamic banks have been eating into Rothschild profits in the Middle East because: they don’t charge interest (Shariah Law), they are growing very rapidly among the world’s exploding Muslim populations, and (in these catastrophic economic times) they are more stable than western banks.

While it is a very good thing that people are freed from the tyranny of dictators, they also need to be freed from the tyranny of economic control and serfdom.  The relevant moral question is: Do the means justify the end?.

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Ben Ali's son-in-law El Materi at the opening of his Zitouna Bank, North Africa's first Islamic bank, last May

Deposed Tunisian President Ben Ali’s son-in-law, Sakher El Materi, opened Tunisia’s first Islamic bank, Zitouna Bank, on May 26, 2010.   Zitouna Bank is the first Islamic bank in the Maghreb region [North Africa].   The bank was a first step toward Ben Ali’s new program of extensive reforms, “Tunisia, a Pole for Banking Services and a Regional Financial Centre”, which would have undermined the power and the profits of the Central Bank of Tunisia (privately-owned by the Rothschilds and their associates).

Tunis Financial Harbour opened last October 19. Its the first offshore finance centre in North Africa.

The Telegraph (October 19 2010) reported on the opening of the megaproject Tunis Financial Harbour –President Ben Ali’s bid to make Tunisia the regional financial centre of North Africa and beyond: “Islamic investment bank Gulf Finance House (GFH) and the Tunisian government have created the first offshore finance centre in North Africa.  The centre will be part of Tunis Financial Harbour, a $3 billion waterfront development in Tunis . . .  GFH, which is based in Bahrain, hopes the centre will allow Tunisia to take advantage of its strategic position on the Mediterranean sea, and operate as a bridge between the EU and the rapidly growing economies of North Africa [and subSaharan Africa].”

“However, despite the current poor climate, the potential for Islamic banking in Egypt is huge, and one should expect more moves from Abu Dhabi Islamic Bank into Egypt, possibly in the form of a buyout,”  Executive Magazine (Feb 8 2011) reports, “A recent Middle East Business Intelligence report said it best, when it opined, ‘If Abu Dhabi Islamic Bank can make a success of offering Islamic products, the whole market will open up. We have already seen some of the local banks start to advertise their Islamic products in view of the competition for customers they see about to begin.’

“Clearly Islamic banks in the Gulf are already anticipating the day when their home markets are saturated. And it appears that Egypt will be on the next front-line in the development of regional Islamic banking and finance.”

“African countries such as Algeria, Egypt, Libya, Morocco, Tunisia and Sudan are keen on future sukuk exercises (issuing Islamic bonds). Gambia debuted with a US$166m sukuk deal, privately sold in the US in 2006.”  [International Finance Review (Reuters), 2008]

The New York Times article “Islamic banking rises on oil wealth, drawing non-Muslims” ( November 22, 2007) reported:   “Rising oil wealth is lifting Islamic banking – which adheres to the laws of the Koran and its prohibition against charging interest – into the financial mainstream. . . . In addition to Islamic loans, there are Islamic bonds, Islamic credit cards . . . Loans and bonds that conform to the Koran are already available in the United States. . . .

“’This is an industry on its way from a niche industry to becoming a truly global industry,’ said Khawaja Mohammad Salman Younis, the managing director for operations in Malaysia for Kuwait Finance House, the world’s second-largest Islamic bank.  ‘In the next three to five years you’ll see Islamic banks coming out in Australia, China, Japan and other parts of the world.’

“In Islamic banking, financiers are required to share borrowers’ risks, meaning that depositors are treated more like shareholders, earning a portion of profits.  Financing deals resemble lease-to-own arrangements, layaway plans, joint purchase and sale agreements, or partnerships.

“The stampede into Islamic finance is mostly an effort to tap an estimated $1.5 trillion of funds sloshing around the Middle East, largely from higher oil prices.  . . .Those investments have helped ignite an economic revival throughout the Muslim world at a time of increasing religious conservatism among Islam’s 1.6 billion faithful.  A result is expanding demand for financial services that adhere to Islamic law  . . .

“And while the biggest Islamic banks are in the wealthy Gulf states, the most attractive potential markets are in Turkey and North Africa (emphasis added) and among European Muslims. . . .

“. . . even non-Muslims are taking advantage of a growing range of Islamic products offering competitive returns.  For instance, David Ong-Yeoh, a public relations executive tired of fretting over the rising interest rate on his adjustable rate mortgage, refinanced to a 30-year fixed loan from an Islamic financial institution. Now, he pays regular installments that include a predetermined profit margin for the bank.

“’The terms are better than on conventional loans,’ said Ong-Yeoh, 41.

“Islamic finance also avoids other prohibited practices.  Shariah-compliant bankers cannot receive or provide funds for anything involving alcohol, gambling, pornography, tobacco, weapons or pork.  Proponents of Islamic banking say these are limits any socially conscious investor can support, Muslim or not. They also envision wider appeal for Islamic banking’s ban on interest, which stems from the Koran’s prohibition against usury.

“This is a view that has a long religious and historical tradition.  Interest is repeatedly condemned in the Bible. Aristotle denounced it, the Romans limited it, and the early Christian church prohibited it. . . .

“The belief that all interest charges are unjust now underpins Islamic finance. . . .Hoarding is frowned upon in the Koran, so savings earn no return unless put to productive use.

“’Money should be used for creating better value in the country or the economy,’ Maraj said. ‘Money cannot generate money.’

“Nor can Islamic banks simply trade money.  ‘In the Islamic finance model, the banks are supposed to mobilize funds through a fund management concept,’ said Rafe Haneef, head of Islamic banking in Asia for Citigroup.

“Indeed, Islamic banking is supposed to function more like private equity firms than conventional banking. ‘Private equity is an Islamic concept,’ Haneef said.

“Industry proponents say this risk-sharing requirement helps reduce the kind of abuses that led to the subprime mortgage mess in the United States. Scholars consider it un-Islamic to overload a customer with debt or invest in a company with excessive debt.”

The Washington Post, “Islamic Banking: Steady In Shaky Times” (Oct 31 2008), reported:  “As big Western financial institutions have teetered one after the other in the crisis of recent weeks, another financial sector is gaining new confidence: Islamic banking.  Proponents of the ancient practice, which looks to sharia law for guidance and bans interest and trading in debt, have been promoting Islamic finance as a cure for the global financial meltdown.

“This week, Kuwait’s commerce minister, Ahmad Baqer, was quoted as saying that the global crisis will prompt more countries to use Islamic principles in running their economies. U.S. Deputy Treasury Secretary Robert M. Kimmet, visiting Jiddah, said experts at his agency have been learning the features of Islamic banking.

“Though the trillion-dollar Islamic banking industry faces challenges with the slump in real estate and stock prices, advocates say the system has built-in protection from the kind of runaway collapse that has afflicted so many institutions. For one thing, the use of financial instruments such as derivatives, blamed for the downfall of banking, insurance and investment giants, is banned. So is excessive risk-taking.

“’The beauty of Islamic banking and the reason it can be used as a replacement for the current market is that you only promise what you own [contrast to western banks fractional reserve system].  Islamic banks are not protected if the economy goes down — they suffer — but you don’t lose your shirt,’ said Majed al-Refaie, who heads Bahrain-based Unicorn Investment Bank.

“The theological underpinning of Islamic banking is scripture that declares that collection of interest is a form of usury, which is banned in Islam. In the modern world, that translates into an attitude toward money that is different from that found in the West: Money cannot just sit and generate more money. To grow, it must be invested in productive enterprises.

“’In Islamic finance you cannot make money out of thin air,’ said Amr al-Faisal, a board member of Dar al-Mal al-Islami, a holding company that owns several Islamic banks and financial institutions. ‘Our dealings have to be tied to actual economic activity, like an asset or a service. You cannot make money off of money. You have to have a building that was actually purchased, a service actually rendered, or a good that was actually sold.’

“Islamic bankers describe depositors as akin to partners — their money is invested, and they share in the profits or, theoretically, the losses that result. (In interviews, bankers couldn’t recall a case in which depositors actually lost money; this shows that banks put such funds only in very low-risk investments, they said.)”

It is easy to see why the Rothschilds and their network of conventional western banks would be threatened by competition from the more appealing, more conservative Islamic banks.

Late in 2008, French Finance Minister Christine Lagarde announced France’s intention to make Paris “the capital of Islamic finance” and said several Islamic banks would open branches in the French capital in 2009.  French sources estimate this area of the financial market is worth from 500 to 600 billion dollars and could grow by an average 11 percent a year.

John Sandwick, managing director of Swiss asset management firm Encore Management, characterized the opening of several Swiss Islamic banks as, “the race to control the rich prize: which today is worth hundreds of billions, but in the future will be trillions of dollars of Islamic wealth.”

“According to Standard and Poor’s, Islamic banking assets reached about $400 billion throughout the world in 2009. In November 2010, The Banker published its latest authoritative list of the Top 500 Islamic Finance Institutions with Iran topping the list. Seven out of ten top Islamic banks in the world are Iranian according to the list.” (iStockAnalyst, Feb 8, 2011)

BEN ALI’S SON OPENS FIRST ISLAMIC BANK IN ATTRACTIVE NORTH AFRICAN MARKET

Commenting on the opening of Zitouna (Islamic) Bank, International Business Times (May 28 2010) reported, “North Africa has begun to embrace Islamic finance after years watching from the sidelines, partly to channel more Arab Gulf petrodollars into the region. . . .Tunisia has one of the most open economies in the region and attracts substantial investment from the European Union, something that is expected to accelerate after 2014, when the government has said it will make the currency (the Tunisian dinar) fully convertible.”

Global Islamic Finance News (May 31, 2010) reported, “Zitouna Bank also seeks to impart a regional dimension on its activities, particularly in the Maghreb region [North Africa], all the more so that it is the first specialised bank not belonging to a foreign banking group,” and went on to add, “The Bank will also seek to forge strong relations with the Maghreb and Mediterranean banks to ensure needed flow of financial operations for its customers.  The bank officials stressed that the financial institution has established relations with 12 Islamic banks in collaboration with the Institute of Islamic banks in Bahrain.

Zitouna bank’s formation had been announced earlier in the Official Gazette of the Republic of Tunisia on 10 September 2009.   Tunisia and Morocco authorized Islamic finance in 2007, partly to channel more investment into their fast-growing tourism and real estate industries.

Due to his being the son-in-law of President Ben Ali, El Materi’s Zitouna Bank was expanding in Tunisia to the level of monopoly.   El Materi had built a powerful business empire:  he ran businesses in News and Media, Banking and Financial Services, Automotive, Shipping and Cruises, Real Estate and Agriculture, Pharmaceuticals and last November 22 he  bought a 50% stake in Orascom Telecom for 0.2 billion.

The newly-opened Tunis Financial Harbour was on the brink of becoming the regional financial centre of North Africa and, with its strategic position on the Mediterranean sea, becoming a bridge between the EU and the rapidly growing economies of North Africa and subSaharan Africa.

On January 20 2011, ZItouna Bank, Tunisia’s first Islamic bank was seized by the Central Bank of Tunisia (Rothschilds).  The bank owned by Sakher El Materi, the thirty-year-old son-in-law of deposed Tunisian leader Zine El Abidine Ben Ali has been placed under “the control” of the central bank.    Materi is presently in Dubai.  The move came a day after 33 of Ben Ali’s clan were arrested for crimes against the nation.  State television showed what it said was seized gold and jewellery.  Switzerland has also frozen Ben Ali’s family assets.

EGYPT’S ISLAMIC BANKS THREATENED BY ROTHSCHILD REVOLUTION:  OLD MAN POTTER VS HARRY BAILEY

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A still from the film "It's A Wonderful Life"

The following scenario is right out of the 1946, Frank Capra film It’s a Wonderful Life with Old Man Potter (Rothschild) creating a run on Harry Bailey’s traditional Savings and Loans (Islamic bank):

Islamic (halal) banking products have not made significant inroads in North Africa yet, except in Egypt.   “. . . There are several Islamic banks operating in Egypt: Faisal Islamic Bank, Al Baraka Egypt (Al Ahram Bank) and Abu Dhabi Islamic Bank NBD . . .  There may be others as well,” says Blake Goud, an expert on Islamic Finance (The Review – Middle East, Jan 31 2011), “. . . and the risks of a run on the bank should concern those interested in Islamic banking around the world because it could provide a test of how resilient Islamic banks really are to crisis.

“What I mean is that the Egyptian situation, which could be a fantastic opportunity for the Egyptian people, could expose a weakness within the Islamic banking industry if it is problematic. The main risk to any bank is that there is a run and the bank cannot meet depositor withdrawals with the cash available on hand. This forces the bank to raise cash from other means. In most cases, it can either get an inter-bank loan from another bank overnight that allows it to handle withdrawals. If other banks are hesitant to lend to a given bank because of fears of asset quality, then the bank will usually have access to an overnight borrowing facility with the central bank, which operates as the lender of last resort.

“The key for Islamic banks is that they are not able to take advantage of the inter-bank lending market, nor are they able to borrow from (or lend to) the central bank (emphasis added) because those loans are interest-bearing. The only alternative is to find other banks (mostly Islamic banks) willing to extend Shari’ah-compliant, bilateral loans often using commodity murabaha. In a country like Egypt where the Islamic banking industry is a small portion of the total banking system, it does not create a systemic risk if Islamic banks fail, but it does matter a lot to the depositors of other Islamic banks in the country and globally. If there is the potential that a run on an Islamic bank will not be stopped by someone; whether that is a foreign bank, a multi-lateral bank like the Islamic Development Bank or the central bank of Egypt (through emergency measures), then it could hurt confidence in Islamic banks.

“If neither of these options are available, the bank will have to try to raise funds by selling its assets, most of which (loans) are illiquid in the short run. It will have to take a loss on the sale to realize the cash it needs to meet withdrawals. If this continues and the bank sells enough assets at a discount to the value they are held on the balance sheet, the bank’s equity will be negative (the value of assets minus liabilities) and it will become insolvent (having earlier only been illiquid). This is the fundamental danger in banking from a financial stability perspective. If enough banks face runs and have to sell assets, the run could become self-sustaining and contagious. Even a healthy bank facing a run can become insolvent.

“The loss of confidence is more than just a reputational hit and a hit on the egos of Islamic bankers.  It would make it more difficult for Islamic banks to attract and retain depositors and it could raise the cost at which it can attract depositors. This would make the bank, all other things equal, less profitable (it makes profit of the spread between the return on invested funds and the cost of funds borrowed from depositors).  Lower profitability will lower the attractiveness of Islamic banks to equity investors limiting their ability to increase capital through equity offerings (or at least increasing the dilution to current shareholders). It will lower the amount available to supplement capital as well as pay dividends to its shareholders.

“Therefore, it is important that the Islamic banks in Egypt make it through the ‘run’ that is predicted if it materializes, not just for those banks’ shareholders, but also for the Islamic banking industry.”

In contrast, Bloomberg reports, “Egypt’s banks may risk a surge in customer withdrawals when they open for business, placing them among companies worst hit by the nationwide uprising against President Hosni Mubarak. … Central Bank Governor Farouk El-Okdah said in a telephone interview Jan. 29 that his bank has $36 billion in reserves, enough to accommodate investors should they wish to withdraw funds. His deputy, Hisham Ramez, said interbank lending “will function properly” when banks are reopened. He said the security situation will determine when that is possible.

“Asked about the risk of a bank run, Mohamed Barakat, chairman of state-run Banque Misr and head of the country’s banking association, said in a telephone interview that Egyptian lenders are ‘very liquid,’” with average loan-to-deposit ratios of 53 percent. […] “The Egyptian interbank offered rate, the rate banks charge to lend to each other, is at a 16-month high of 8.5 percent.”

THE MEANS: SPONSOR PRO-DEMOCRACY ACTIVISTS

These Rothschild revolutions are done under the pretense of bringing democracy and deposing despots, but the real aim is to initially create chaos and a leadership vacuum, then quickly offer a solution: install a puppet that will do the economic bidding of the Rothschilds.   The citizens gain freedom of speech and association, but become economic serfs.

These revolutions are most likely coordinated at the highest levels by the Rothschild’s International Crisis Group.  Mohamed ElBaradei is already being touted as a new leader for Egypt. ElBaradei is a trustee of the International Crisis Group.  Another board member of this group is Zbigniew Brzezinski.  George Soros sits on the executive committee.  The later two are ubiquitous front men for the Rothschilds.

The revolutions are from the same playbook as the fairly nonviolent “color revolutions”.  These revolutions have been successful in Serbia (especially the Bulldozer Revolution (2000), in Georgia’s Rose Revolution (2003), in Ukraine’s Orange Revolution (2004), in Lebanon’s Cedar Revolution and (though more violent than the previous ones) in Kyrgyzstan’s Tulip Revolution (2005), and Tunisia’s Jasmine Revolution.    Iran’s Green Revolution (2009) was unsuccessful.

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Liberal billionaire George Soros funded training of activists in North Africa.

The Guardian reported (Nov 26, 2004) that the following were “directly involved” in organizing the colour revolutions:  George Soros’ Open Society Foundation, the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), the International Republican Institute, and Freedom House.   The Washington Post and the New York Times also reported substantial Western involvement in some of these events.

Activists from Otpor in Serbia  have said that publications and training they received from the US based Albert Einstein Institution staff have been instrumental in the formation of their strategies.   The Albert Einstein Institution is funded by the Soros Foundation and NED. (Wikipedia)

In the article, “Georgia revolt carried mark of Soros” (November 26, 2003), the Globe & Mail reported, “[Soros' Open Society Institute] sent a 31-year-old Tbilisi activist named Giga Bokeria to Serbia to meet with members of the Otpor (Resistance) movement and learn how they used street demonstrations to topple dictator Slobodan Milosevic. Then, in the summer, Mr. Soros’s foundation paid for a return trip to Georgia by Otpor activists, who ran three-day courses teaching more than 1,000 students how to stage a peaceful revolution.”

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Egyptian activists wearing Otpor shirts. Otpor was started by Soros in Serbia and has trained activists in other colour revolutions


Several protest organizers on the streets in Egypt last week were wearing Otpor t-shirts.   These t-shirts are given out by Otpor at training sessions.  This is only to say that there may be a link here, between Soros and Tunisian protesters.

In 2007-08, Freedom House [funded by Soros and the Middle Eastern Partnership Initiative (MEPI)] ran the following program: “New Generation of Advocates, a MEPI-funded program that supports young civil society activists working for peaceful political change in the Middle East and North Africa, spearheaded the “Lawyers against Corruption” campaign in Tunisia.”(Freedom House website).  The group of “journalists, lawyers, and other activists who advocate for democratic reform” had a meeting with then Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, on a trip to Washington on International Human Rights Day, December 10, 2008.  In May 2009, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton met with the group of activist/dissidents.  Freedom House reported on their website that the group also visited “U.S. government officials, members of Congress, media outlets and think tanks . . . After returning to Egypt, the fellows received small grants to implement innovative initiatives such as advocating for political reform through Facebook and SMS messaging.” (emphasis added)

And also from the Freedom House website: “From February 27 to March 13 [2010], Freedom House hosted 11 bloggers from the Middle East and North Africa for a two-week Advanced New Media Study Tour in Washington, D.C.”

In 2010, Soros’ Open Society Institute funded a grant called ‘Can It Tweet its way to Democracy? The promise of Participatory Media in Africa’ described on the OSI website as “. . . . Ethiopia and Egypt have been the current focus of the research programme; the OSI funding will allow the project to be expanded to include: Uganda, Zimbabwe, Tunisia, Eritrea and Rwanda. . . . it is hoped that it will contribute to the understanding of the new media in Africa and its links to democratization.  It is also intended that the study will be used as a source material for future research.”

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Facebook and Twitter were the primary means of organizing the revolution in Egypt:  “Activists from Egypt’s Kifaya (Enough) movement – a coalition of government opponents – and the 6th of April Youth Movement organized the protests on the Facebook and Twitter . . . .” (Voice of America)

In the Foreign Policy Journal, Dr. D.K. Bolton (Jan 19 2011) writes, “NED [National Endowment for Democracy] and Soros work in tandem, targeting the same regimes and using the same methods. . . . At least ten of the twenty-two directors of NED are also members of the plutocratic think tank, the Council on Foreign Relations . . . .” (The Council of Foreign Relations is the American sister of the Rothschild’s Royal Institute of International Affairs in Britain: both are instruments of plutocratic control hiding in plain sight.

The following is a partial list of grants from the NED website for 2009 (the latest year available):

In Tunisia the focus was on training youth activists:

“Al-Jahedh Forum for Free Thought $131,000 To strengthen the capacity and build a democratic culture among Tunisian youth activists.

“Mohamed Ali Center for Research, Studies and Training $33,500 To train a core group of Tunisian youth activists on leadership and organizational skills to encourage their involvement in public life.  [MACRST] will conduct a four-day intensive training of trainers program for a core group of 10 young Tunisian civic activists on leadership and organizational skills; train 50 male and female activists aged 20 to 40 on leadership and empowered decision-making; and work with the trained activists through 50 on-site visits to their respective organizations.

“Association for the Promotion of Education $27,000 To strengthen the capacity of Tunisian high school teachers to promote democratic and civic values in their classrooms. APES will conduct a training-of-trainers workshop for 10 university professors and school inspectors, and hold three two-day capacity building seminars for 120 high school teachers . . . .”

The above organizations and others have been recipients of ongoing NED grants in Tunisia, as the following list from previous years indicates:

2008:  Al-Jahedh Forum for Free Thought received $57,000 to train Tunisian activists;   Mohamed Ali Centre for Research got $37,800;  Tunisian Arab Civitas Institute, $43,000 for training teachers in “civic values” and  the Center for International Private Enterprise, $163,205 “to inculcate free enterprise doctrines among Tunisian businessmen, which reflects what NED is really aiming for in its promotion of “democracy and civil values”: globalization” (Bolton, 2011)

2007:  AJFFT received $45,000 to develop Tunisian Activists;  The Arab Institute for Human Rights got $43,900;  The Center for International Private Enterprise (CIPE) $175, 818;  The Mohamed Ali Center for Research, Studies, and Training $38,500; Moroccan Organization for Human Rights $60,000 “To strengthen a group of young Tunisian attorneys as they mobilize citizens on reform issues.”

In Egypt, the number of NED grants doubled in 2009 to 33 democracy projects totaling $1.4 million and the focus changed from promoting private enterprise to training young human-rights lawyers, and identifying and training youth activists.   It will be interesting to see when (if?) NED publishes its 2010 grants.  From the NED website—a sample of the grants for 2009:

Egyptian Union of Liberal Youth (EULY) $33,300 To expand the use of new media among youth activists for the promotion of democratic ideas and values. EULY will train 60 youth activists to use filmmaking for the dissemination of democratic ideas and values. The Union will lead a total of four two-month long training workshops in Cairo to build the political knowledge and technical filmmaking skills of participating youth involved in NGOs.

Andalus Institute for Tolerance and Anti-Violence Studies (AITAS) $48,900 To strengthen youth understanding of the Egyptian parliament and enhance regional activists’ use of new technologies as accountability tools. AITAS will conduct a series of workshops for 300 university students to raise their awareness of parliament’s functions and engage them in monitoring parliamentary committees. AITAS will also host 8 month-long internships for youth activists from the Middle East and North Africa to share its experiences using web-based technologies in monitoring efforts.

Bridge Center for Dialogue and Development (BTRD) $25,000 To promote youth expression and engagement in community issues through new media. BTRD will train youth between the ages of 16 and 26 in the use of new and traditional media tools to report on issues facing their communities. BRTD will also create a website for human rights videos and new media campaigns in Egypt.

Egyptian Democracy Institute (EDI) $48,900 To promote accountability and transparency in parliament through public participation, and to build legislative capacity. EDI will produce quarterly monitoring reports and hold seminars to discuss the overall performance of Parliament and offer recommendations on legislation proposed in the People’s Assembly. EDI will monitor, collect, and document evidence of corruption in Cairo and Alexandria

Lawyers Union for Democratic and Legal Studies (LUDLS) $20,000 To support freedom of association by strengthening young activists’ ability to express and organize themselves peacefully within the bounds of the law. LUDLS will train 250 youth activists on peaceful assembly and dispute resolution

Our Hands for Comprehensive Development  $19,200 To engage Minya youth in civic activism and encourage youth-led initiatives and volunteerism. Our Hands will hold two public meetings for local youth to discuss challenges and to identify youth leaders who would benefit from additional training courses. Participants will produce a short film on youth political participation, and develop and implement action plans for resolving problems facing youth in the governorate. Our Hands will also provide Minya youth an opportunity to learn from the experience of and network with Cairo-based activists and NGOs.

“Youth Forum  $19,000 To expand and maintain a network of youth activists on Egyptian university campuses and to encourage the participation of university students in student union elections and civic activities on campus. . . .”

NED and Soros have been injecting millions of dollars into the training of North African, pro-democracy teachers, lawyers, journalists and youth activists.  In 2009 they more than doubled their training efforts.  Why, at this time, has the 30-year support of these dictators been undermined?  The prize is the rapidly-rising economies of North Africa.  It coincides with the efforts of Ben Ali to make Tunisia the financial center of North Africa and to promote Islamic banking.  The Rothschilds want North African Muslims to borrow from Rothschild banks and pay interest at rates the Rothschild central bank decides:  they do not want them to be able to borrow from Islamic banks and not pay any interest.  The Rothschilds want Muslims to trade their present political oppression at the hands of brutal dictators for future economic serfdom under the control of banker Lord Rothschild.
Title: Re: Who is sniping the Libyans
Post by: wag on February 21, 2011, 04:45:03 PM
A sign of things to come?

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/US-Gadhafi-Must-Stop-Bloodshed-116622918.html (http://www.voanews.com/english/news/US-Gadhafi-Must-Stop-Bloodshed-116622918.html)

US: Gadhafi Must Stop 'Bloodshed'

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has condemned the violence against anti-government protesters in Libya and called on Moammar Gadhafi's government to stop what she described as the "unacceptable bloodshed" taking place in the North African nation.

Clinton said Monday the world is watching events unfold in Libya "with alarm." Her statement came amid reports from witnesses in the Libyan capital, Tripoli, that helicopters and warplanes were besieging parts of the city and snipers were taking up positions on rooftops.

Other world leaders have also demanded a peaceful resolution of the turmoil in Libya.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon spoke by phone with Mr. Gadhafi and expressed deep concern at the escalating scale of violence.  The U.N. says Mr. Ban urged respect for basic freedoms and human rights, and underlined the need to ensure the protection of the civilian population under any circumstances.

Also Monday, Arab League Secretary General Amr Moussa called for an end to the violence and said he sees the Libyan protesters' demands as legitimate.

European Union officials are encouraging Libya to move toward democracy.  They are fearful about the safety of their nationals now in Libya.  British Prime Minister David Cameron said the Libyan central government's deadly crackdown on anti-government protests is "completely appalling and unacceptable," using the "most vicious forms of repression."  French President Nicolas Sarkozy condemned Monday what he called the "unacceptable use of force" in Libya and called for an "immediate end" to the violence.

In Brussels, a European Union official said Libya has threatened the EU it will stop curbing illegal migration from North Africa to Europe if the bloc continues to support anti-government protests. 

Italy is particularly concerned about the prospect of an influx of migrants as it is already a popular entry point for North Africans seeking a better life in Europe.  Thousands of North African migrants have sailed to the Italian island of Lampedusa since the ouster of Tunisia's president last month.



Nobody believes this, and yet the large majority pretends they do. 
Title: Re: Who is sniping the Libyans
Post by: laconas on February 21, 2011, 05:03:06 PM

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Nobody believes this, and yet the large majority pretends they do. 

Obama kills more Muslims with predators in Afghanistan and Pakistan in one month than all the Muslims killed in all the "revolutions" so far.
Title: Re: Who is sniping the Libyans
Post by: AngelOfLight on February 21, 2011, 05:05:45 PM
Obama kills more Muslims with predators in Afghanistan and Pakistan in one month than all the Muslims killed in all the "revolutions" so far.

Maybe true but Obama got the Nobel Peace price unlike those other muzzies, which makes me believe that Obama is right!

ps: Where's uncle Jacob, he hasn't posted lately?
Title: Re: Who is sniping the Libyans
Post by: laconas on February 21, 2011, 05:16:53 PM
Maybe true but Obama got the Nobel Peace price unlike those other muzzies, which makes me believe that Obama is right!

ps: Where's uncle Jacob, he hasn't posted lately?

That's true, I forgot about Obama's Peace Prize. Obama kills only bad guys and terrorists, these Arab dictators are killing their people who only dream of having a Rothschild/Soros financed democracy.

And to think Qadaffi paid billions and billions and took the blame for Lockerbie only to still get screwed by the Jews.
Title: * Libyan military widely regarded as murderous thugs
Post by: Sue on February 21, 2011, 07:28:35 PM
Libya’s motley military, a collection of ill-trained
conscripts and hired-to-kill mercenaries mostly
armed with obsolete Soviet equipment.... 


(http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/01198/Libya_map_1198881cl-3.jpg)  (http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/01201/NY120-Libya_Pro_1201445cl-3.jpg)

PAUL KORING, WASHINGTON — Feb. 21, 2011

source: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/africa-mideast/libyan-military-widely-regarded-as-murderous-thugs/article1915393/

More related to this story

* Chaos reigns as Gadhafis desperately try to keep control
* Oil surges as unrest in Libya takes toll
* The people are powerful in the face of Gadhafi's terror

Video Link: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/video/gadhafis-son-warns-of-civil-war-in-libya/article1914904

In sharp contrast to Egypt’s widely respected armed forces, the Libyan army, air force and navy, led by the self-styled Col. Moammar Gadhafi, is regarded as a grim, murderous joke, even compared to other African militaries.

Nothing suggests Libya’s military possesses either the professionalism, the discipline, or commands the popular respect to fill a power vacuum or serve as a transitional structure to civilian government. Ever since the mercurial and increasingly erratic Col. Gadhafi seized power 42 years ago, Libya’s military has been a pawn in his wide schemes and ill-fated international adventures.

Reports of senior air-force officers fleeing to Malta in a couple of the handful of still-flyable Soviet-era warplanes underscores the chaotic mess that pervades the military. The fleeing pilots, seeking asylum, also claimed they had seen other Libyan warplanes used against crowds in Tripoli.

Guinean identity cards seized from Libyan-uniformed mercenaries after two days of massacres in the eastern city of Benghazi will only further discredit and divide the faction-filled military. Fighting there ended only after some military units joined the popular uprisings.

Estimates vary, but most outside military analysts put the size of the Libyan armed forces at about 76,000 personnel – or roughly the same as Canada’s – in a country with a population of only six million. About half are conscripts and another 45,000 serve in a so-called People’s Militia filled with former soldiers.

Col. Gadhafi’s stunning record of grandiose military failures is matched only by his personal outrages. The leader who liked to set up court in a huge Bedouin tent also publicly slapped a military aide who led him to the door at an African summit. His hand-picked personal guards got into fisticuffs at another international meeting.

Libya’s military hasn’t fared any better. Twice in the 1980s combat pilots were sent up to challenge a U.S. carrier battle group in the sprawling Gulf of Sidra – claimed as territorial waters by Col. Gadhafi. Twice they were swiftly shot down before they were aware that U.S. warplanes were even engaged.

Libya even managed to lose a war with Chad, its impoverished southern neighbour that still managed to outfight Col. Gadhafi’s legions of Soviet tanks with the nimble use of pickup trucks with small anti-armour missiles mounted in the back in the so-called “Toyota war.” The loss of large numbers of Soviet tanks, artillery and armoured vehicles poisoned relations with Moscow.

Decades later, hundreds of obsolete Soviet battle tanks and scores of warplanes are unusable for lack of parts, skilled technicians and maintenance. The navy’s single submarine and one of its two frigates are also dockside and unfit to sail.

However, a single brigade of the Revolutionary Guards Corps – estimated at about 3,000 soldiers – is better trained, better paid and supposedly loyal to the aging Col. Gadhafi. Drawn from the Guards is perhaps the oddest force in the militaries of the Arab world, a clutch of female soldiers who serve as the colonel’s close personal protection. They are – facetiously – known as the “Green Nuns” after Col. Gadhafi’s penchant for using that colour to mark ideologically significant elements in the personality cult that he has fostered.

For decades, Col. Gadhafi pursued an expensive, clandestine effort – aided by Pakistan’s rogue scientists along with North Korea and Iran – to develop nuclear weapons. In the aftermath of the toppling of Saddam Hussein, Col. Gadhafi suddenly owned up to his secret program.

U.S. military planes carried off the results of Libya’s nuclear-weapons effort and, coupled with Libya’s claim that it was out of the terrorist-backing business, the Colonel’s regime and his military managed to foster some relations with the West. British Special Forces elements were reportedly sent to Tripoli as trainers, and U.S. military contacts – albeit on a small scale – resumed.


       More related to this story

    * Gadhafi says he is in Tripoli, not Venezuela
    * Oil rig workers, including 3 Canadians, flee into Libyan desert after attack
    * Libyan military pilots seek political asylum in Malta
    * EU, oil companies begin Libya evacuations
    * Egypt requests freeze on ousted president’s foreign assets
    * Bahrain protesters call for overthrow of royal family

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/africa-mideast/libyan-military-widely-regarded-as-murderous-thugs/article1915393/
Title: Re: * Libyan military widely regarded as murderous thugs
Post by: laconas on February 21, 2011, 09:10:41 PM

It looks like it's over for Libya's government, there's no way they can fight off the Jewish takeover. If they choose to fight, they'll eventually hang like Milosevic and Saddam.

In the meantime, Soros can make a few billion just playing around with oil and gas prices.
Title: Re: Who is sniping the Libyans
Post by: Vidarr on February 22, 2011, 01:15:26 AM
As it turns out.. Libya is a major supplier of energy for Europe..

control over that energyflow is a potential nutcruncher.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 22, 2011, 01:27:54 PM
UNSC holds emergency talks on Libya

Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:37PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/166572.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/166572.html)

(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110222/mazimi20110222204806640.jpg)
Pro-democracy protesters chant slogans against Muammar Gaddafi.

The United Nations Security Council has held emergency talks on the current crisis in Libya as the violent crackdown on peaceful protesters continues.

The talks were held on Tuesday at the request of the Libyan deputy ambassador to the UN, Ibrahim Dabbashi, after he protested against the brutal clampdown on Libyans, AFP reported.

"The scale of violence by the Libyan security forces against peaceful demonstrators is really shocking," Germany's ambassador to the UN, Peter Wittig, said.

"It has regional and international implications. That is why we think it is a case for the Security Council and the council should act with a swift and clear message," Wittig added.

A number of Libyan diplomats around the world have condemned the violence and broken with embattled ruler Muammar Gaddafi, including several senior diplomats at the Libyan mission to the UN.

However, the Libyan ambassador to the UN has not defected.

The diplomats at the Libyan mission to the UN who have sided with the people's uprising have called for the UN to declare a no-fly zone over the country in order to stop the shipment of arms to the Libyan military and African mercenaries, who have also killed protesters, witnesses say.

The UN Security Council plans to hold a formal meeting on the situation in Libya later on Tuesday. Diplomats expect a statement to be issued.

UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay has said that the attacks against Libyan civilians could amount to crimes against humanity.

However, in a televised address on Tuesday, Gaddafi said that he has no intention of stepping down. He also threatened to step up the crackdown against pro-democracy protesters, saying, “We have not used our power yet.”

At least 1,000 people were killed in Tripoli on Monday by airstrikes conducted by the Libyan military in a desperate move meant to quell the popular uprising, according to some reports.


LW - That pic is a step back into the sixties... before most decided that working from 'within' was more useful than from 'outside'. How did that work out?
Title: Re: * Libyan military widely regarded as murderous thugs
Post by: Sue on February 22, 2011, 02:58:53 PM
The dominoes are falling... Will Iran could be next?
Title: Re: * Libyan military widely regarded as murderous thugs
Post by: laconas on February 22, 2011, 03:13:19 PM
The dominoes are falling... Will Iran could be next?

Not likely, but other jew backed puppets around the world will start to look at other options after seeing fellow jew puppets taken out.
Title: Re: * Libyan military widely regarded as murderous thugs
Post by: Sue on February 22, 2011, 05:40:46 PM
Not likely, but other jew backed puppets around the world will start to look at other options after seeing fellow jew puppets taken out.

So far Iran is still backed by Russia ~ right?  So who is next?
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 23, 2011, 12:03:59 PM
Gaddafi orders bombing of oil pipelines

Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:44PM

(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110223/khan20110223135201577.jpg)
source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/166687.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/166687.html)

Reports say Gaddafi has reportedly ordered security forces to bomb oil pipelines to disrupt crude supplies to the Mediterranean countries.

A source close to the Gaddafi regime says Libya's embattled ruler has ordered security services to start sabotaging oil facilities, Time Magazine reported.

The forces loyal to Gaddafi will start by blowing up several oil pipelines, cutting off the flow to the Mediterranean ports, he added.

Meanwhile, shipping groups have announced that all Libyan ports and terminals are temporarily closed due to the ongoing violence.

Many top Libyan officials, including Interior Minister Abdul Fattah Younis, have quit Gaddafi's government.

In the meantime, protesters have overrun the eastern province of Cyrenaica, despite a deadly crackdown on pro-democracy rallies. Soldiers in the coastal town of Tobruk have said that Gaddafi's forces have lost control of the region.

This comes after Tripoli's Deputy Ambassador to the UN said Gaddafi's statements have served as a signal to his supporters to engage in genocide against the Libyan people.

Gaddafi has rejected calls to step down, threatening instead to crush the popular revolution. The government has even used air raids to suppress the demonstrations.

Some 1,400 people have been killed by Libyan security forces in bomb attacks against pro-democracy demonstrators in the North African country, reports say.

LW - Gaddafi's last act for his masters...help get the price of oil up for their monopoly and protect it by making sure that the Libyan people continue to be dependent on the west by not being able to take over that which is theirs and competing - all they really have being the oil. I'm sure the oil companies figured that since they built the oil infrastructure it is theirs to destroy - never mind that it was built on other peoples resources.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 23, 2011, 12:06:58 PM
Libyan protesters closing in on Tripoli

Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:34PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/166738.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/166738.html)

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The Libyan government vigilantes and snipers struggle to regain control of the capital after pro-Gaddafi forces lost several cities to revolutionary protesters.

Reports say the revolution flag is now flying over Tajuraa city close to Tripoli. The western cities of Zwaara and Azzawiya are also under the control of the protesters.

This comes as more and more soldiers are now joining the popular revolution.

Anti-government protesters have also overrun the eastern province of Cyrenaica. This follows the fall of the second largest city of Benghazi.

Soldiers in the coastal town of Tobruk say Gaddafi's forces have lost control of the region. They say they no longer back the Libyan ruler. Tobruk lies close to the Egyptian border.

Many governments and international bodies across the world have reacted strongly to the crisis in Libya.

Reports widely indicate that government-led violence in the country has left at least one thousand protesters dead over the past several days.

Reports say the Libyan Revolution has gained momentum despite brutal crackdown by Gaddafi's regime.

The developments come as popular revolutions continue to sweep US-backed autocratic regimes across the Middle East and North Africa.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 23, 2011, 12:10:32 PM
Libyan pilots avert raid, crash plane

Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:15PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/166702.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/166702.html)

(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110223/nushi20110223185939043.jpg)
A Libyan man shouts slogans during a demonstration against Libyan Leader Moammar Gadhafi, in Tobruk, Libya, on Wednesday, Feb. 23, 2011.

A Libyan military aircraft has reportedly crashed near the city of Benghazi after pilots refused to bomb peaceful pro-democracy protesters, reports say.

The pilot and co-pilot had refused bombing orders and parachuted out of their aircraft in an uninhabited area.

A Libyan daily says the plane had orders to bomb the city but the crew refused to carry out the deadly mission.

This comes after Libyan tyrant Colonel Muammar Gaddafi pledged to crush the popular revolution in the oil-rich country. The government has even used air raids to suppress persisting mass demonstrations.

This is while government forces are losing grip on the country amid the ongoing revolution in Libya

Soldiers in the coastal town of Tobruk, which lies close to the Egyptian border, say Gaddafi's forces have lost control of the region.

They say they no longer back the Libyan ruler. Protesters have over-run the eastern province of Cyrenaica.

Meanwhile, military defectors in eastern Libya are reported to be mobilizing to defend the people against possible attacks by Gaddafi's forces.

The dictator's military forces have even used air raids to suppress demonstrations.

Many governments and international bodies across the world have reacted strongly to the crisis in Libya.

Reports widely indicate that government-led violence in the country has left at least one thousand protesters dead over the past several days.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Vidarr on February 23, 2011, 12:45:14 PM
Somehow all these mainstream media reports about libya seem to be no more than exaggerated BS.

The jews managed to gather a few hundred usefull idiots on a square. do some staged photo's to make it look more crowded.  al jewzeera claims ghadaffi is bombing them..  but due to claimed censorship no images are shown...Not even from those billion dollar satellites who can spot the hairs on your buttcheeks...  yeah i guess ghadaffi must use his extra special goldteeth to bling out the cameras on those satellites.

Israeli commandos' blow up the pipelines,  Forcing Europe to pay more for energy to Rothschild&Rockefeller Inc.
and taking out Ghadaffi's primary source of income  so he will  be unable to fund a decent army to resist Nato invasion coming to save those poor libyan people.. all that and not one jew harmed in the process..

Ghadafi refers to the jews when he mentions "stray dogs" He knows he can't call the jews the jews or they will surely bomb his other kids too..

 Ghadafi has no other choice than to put down this "revolt" by any means necessary. the other option is being "comatized" or hung by the jews.


  

 
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: laconas on February 23, 2011, 01:00:53 PM
Somehow all these mainstream media reports about libya seem to be no more than exaggerated BS.

The jews managed to gather a few hundred usefull idiots on a square. do some staged photo's to make it look more crowded.  al jewzeera claims ghadaffi is bombing them..  but due to claimed censorship no images are shown...Not even from those billion dollar satellites who can spot the hairs on your buttcheeks...  yeah i guess ghadaffi must use his extra special goldteeth to bling out the cameras on those satellites.

Israeli commandos' blow up the pipelines,  Forcing Europe to pay more for energy to Rothschild&Rockefeller Inc.
and taking out Ghadaffi's primary source of income  so he will  be unable to fund a decent army to resist Nato invasion coming to save those poor libyan people.. all that and not one jew harmed in the process..

Ghadafi refers to the jews when he mentions "stray dogs" He knows he can't call the jews the jews or they will surely bomb his other kids too..

 Ghadafi has no other choice than to put down this "revolt" by any means necessary. the other option is being "comatized" or hung by the jews.


  

 

Sounds about right.

Yes, he knows there are cameras in the sky.

(http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2011/1102/libya_gaddafi_0222.jpg)
An image grab taken on February 22, 2011, off the Libya's state television station shows Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi holding an umbrella as he sits in the back of a vehicle in what state television reported was a live broadcast from the strongman's home.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2052978,00.html#ixzz1Ep1KuNQ5


Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: pope daniel on February 23, 2011, 01:37:19 PM
this thread is epic
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Spahi on February 23, 2011, 02:55:37 PM
Somehow all these mainstream media reports about libya seem to be no more than exaggerated BS.

The jews managed to gather a few hundred usefull idiots on a square. do some staged photo's to make it look more crowded.  al jewzeera claims ghadaffi is bombing them..  but due to claimed censorship no images are shown...Not even from those billion dollar satellites who can spot the hairs on your buttcheeks...  yeah i guess ghadaffi must use his extra special goldteeth to bling out the cameras on those satellites.

Israeli commandos' blow up the pipelines,  Forcing Europe to pay more for energy to Rothschild&Rockefeller Inc.
and taking out Ghadaffi's primary source of income  so he will  be unable to fund a decent army to resist Nato invasion coming to save those poor libyan people.. all that and not one jew harmed in the process..

Ghadafi refers to the jews when he mentions "stray dogs" He knows he can't call the jews the jews or they will surely bomb his other kids too..

 Ghadafi has no other choice than to put down this "revolt" by any means necessary. the other option is being "comatized" or hung by the jews.

Yeah, when I heard 1,000 had been killed I knew any possible further reporting about Libya would be kosher. Though I'm more disgusted about hearing that imams are supporting the revolt. Do any of these people remember what happened to Saddam and see the shape Iraq is in?
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: OldTimes on February 23, 2011, 03:37:14 PM
Ghadafi has no other choice than to put down this "revolt" by any means necessary. the other option is being "comatized" or hung by the jews.

I believe that.

One thing though, spy-satellites and cameras 'in the sky' have limitations.  Very large lenses are needed for the optics of seeing faces or reading license-plates from orbit.  I'm not even sure if the physics is possible.

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this thread is epic

It deserves to be.

I believe what's going on here, politically and economically, is more complex than what we've been talking about thus far.

I can't put it all together yet, but my theory is some Elder knows the economic ponzi scheme is coming apart now (they can't hold it together any longer) and rather than have a false-flag event type trigger to blame it on, word was given to launch in-place programs to destabilize the list of 'enemy' countries as best they can - all at the same time.  We know that, if anything the economy contributed to causing the unrest, yet somehow I expect the 'angry arabs' will be blamed in Western media for the economy, probably though a prohibitively high crude oil price.  And while these countries are fighting the economic problems resultant in the disorientation from being freshly cut-off from the globalized economy, I expect war to break out and they'll have to deal with military incursions as well.

We are looking at the last 'tough-nut' to crack for the Israeli global empire - the Islamic middle-east with their Islamic religion and banking.  I've always wondered how they would attempt to crack that nut.  To believe that this 3500-year plan for global dominance is falling apart now, and that all of this is "freedom breaking out", is a bit premature I think.  Perhaps certain portions of the house-of-cards is falling apart, but the long-term sustainable jewish plan, I'm afraid, is probably still intact.  We just have to determine how it will unfold.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 23, 2011, 04:55:33 PM
Ghadafi has no other choice than to put down this "revolt" by any means necessary. the other option is being "comatized" or hung by the jews.

130 Libyan soldiers executed for mutiny

Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:45AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/166757.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/166757.html)

130 Libyan soldiers have been executed for refusing to open fire on pro-democracy protesters, International Federation for Human Rights says.

An amateur video footage shows the slain soldiers with their hands tied behind their backs.

This comes as there are more reports of defiance among army ranks and soldiers who have refused to obey orders by embattled Muammar Gaddafi to shoot peaceful protesters.

The rights group also said the harsh crackdown on protesters in Libya is “crime against humanity,” dpa reported on Wednesday.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Sue on February 23, 2011, 06:28:50 PM
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The rights group also said the harsh crackdown on protesters in Libya is “crime against humanity,” dpa reported on Wednesday.

Some of the good guys, how sad. One has to admire their courage! No doubt that there was ample outside 'help'... from you-know-who.

Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: wag on February 23, 2011, 06:43:41 PM
Jews won't get Libya, or any other country.  The corner has been turned.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 23, 2011, 10:46:33 PM
Obama: Libya bloodshed outrageous

Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:18PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/166747.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/166747.html)

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US President Barack Obama

US President Barack Obama has condemned the violent crackdown on pro-democracy protesters in Libya, saying the perpetrators should be hold accountable.

Obama said the recent clampdown by Muammar Gaddafi's regime is "outrageous and unacceptable" and must stop, AFP reported on Wednesday.

"Like all governments, the Libyan government has a responsibility to refrain from violence, to allow humanitarian assistance to reach those in need and to respect the rights of its people," Obama said.

The US president also slammed the Libyan government's threats and orders of punishing and shooting the protesters and said these actions "violate international norms and every standard of common decency."

Obama urged all countries to work together and take a unanimous stance on the crisis in Libya in order to hold the North African country responsible for its human rights violations.

US and the EU have announced they are considering sanctions against the Libyan government. However, Libya's rich oil resources have forced the Western countries to be cautious about their remarks about the current crisis.

Italy has expressed deep concerns about the volatility of situation in Libya, saying the gas cuts will endanger the safety and trade in the European country.

Pro-democracy protests have been intensified with more cities, including the capital city of Tripoli, falling out of the control of security forces.

Reports widely indicate that government's crackdown on protesters has left at least 1,000 protesters dead over the past several days.

LW - who is this guy kidding? All he has done for a month now is talk softly with a big Israeli stick up his ass. While he postures and mouths false indignation his agents are directing the killing. Ten to one those soldiers killed for 'mutiny' (against the people?) had balked at the orders their Israeli / CIA handlers a.. and paid the price. Or is it Blackwater who is busy working on their bottom line?

This eunuch in the White House is an example of shame for all who care to look.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 23, 2011, 11:06:21 PM
Harper ‘vigorously condemns’ violence in Libya
 
By Carmen Chai, Postmedia News February 21, 2011

source: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Cannon+urges+calm+Libyan+protests+swell/4319868/story.html (http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Cannon+urges+calm+Libyan+protests+swell/4319868/story.html)

(http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/4303695.bin)
Prime Minister Stephen Harper speaks during a press conference, Thursday morning, February 17, 2011 in Toronto.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper speaks during a press conference, Thursday morning, February 17, 2011 in Toronto.
Photograph by: Aaron Lynett, National Post

Prime Minister Stephen Harper stepped up his government’s condemnation of Moammar Gadhafi’s Libyan regime Monday following reports it had fired on its own people in a bid to cling to power.

Protests continued Monday in the African nation as demonstrators called for democratic and economic reform as the strongman’s 40-year iron grip on power seemed threatened.

There were reports that the Libyan Air Force was ordered to bomb protesters in the capital of Tripoli and, earlier, that hundreds of people had already been killed in the anti-government uprising.

"We find the actions of the government firing upon its own citizens to be outrageous and unacceptable and we call on the government to cease this kind of violence immediately," Harper said at a news conference in Vancouver Monday.

"We vigorously condemn the actions taken by the government in that country," he said.

Harper’s comments were significantly stronger than Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon’s more tempered reaction to the escalating violence earlier Monday.

Cannon had called for "peaceful dialogue" and calm, noting that the chaos swelling in Libya was part of a call being heard across the Arab world for democratic and economic reforms. It’s a wave that has already toppled governments in Egypt and Tunisia.

“We support the rule of law; we support freedom,” Cannon told reporters in Wakefield, Que., near Ottawa.

“We also put forward our considerations in terms of promoting democracy.”

In a written statement, Cannon also said that the government is "deeply concerned about the reports of extremely violent attacks and arrests of peaceful protesters."

“We regret the loss of life in Libya and call on all parties to refrain from violence. We call on the Libyan government to respect the rights of freedom of expression and assembly and to engage in peaceful dialogue with its people to address legitimate concerns,” he added.

Protesters, supported by defecting army units, have taken control of several cities in the country, according to some reports, and have reached the Libyan capital of Tripoli.

Cannon said there are believed to be between 400 and 500 Canadians in Libya, nearly 350 of whom are registered with Canadian officials.

Cannon said there were no government efforts yet to fly Canadians out of the country, as Ottawa recently did when protests gripped Egypt.

He said commercial flights were leaving Tripoli on Monday, and that Canadian companies operating in the country — oil firms Suncor Energy and Shell Canada and engineering and construction firm SNC-Lavalin are active in the nation — have been taking care of their own employees.

“These three companies have contingency plans there. They have roughly 50 people that are on staff, and they have been taken care of by the individual companies.”

Cannon called the protests “a manifestation of the people’s desire to see major reforms in terms of their democratic systems and their economy. We have seen that at different levels throughout the Arab world,” he said.

“The larger scope here is that in the Arab world there are a number of these demonstrations that are all calling for economic reforms as well as institutional democratic reforms.”

The International Federation for Human Rights said Monday that several Libyan cities, including Benghazi and Sirte, have fallen to demonstrators opposing Gadhafi’s rule after army units defected.

Gadhafi took power in a military coup in 1969 and has quelled any dissent through intimidation and violence.

One expert said Canada may have been more cautious in its initial response to the situation in Libya because of "relentless" criticism from opposition parties and diplomats.

Aurel Braun, a University of Toronto international relations professor, said the federal government faced criticism after losing its bid for a seat on the United Nations Security Council in the fall, with some saying it had been too assertive in its support of Israel.

He said that may be prompting the government now to choose its words more carefully on the world stage.

"We have stood at the forefront of fighting for freedom, for the dignity of people around the world . . . unfortunately, our stance has been perhaps more cautious, not because of business interests, but because this government has been relentlessly criticized," he said.

"I think this may be at the heart of the reluctancy now," he said.

cchai@postmedia.com

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LW...gee... musta had the same speech writer as Obamination... and in sync with him as well. I'm impressed.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: pope daniel on February 24, 2011, 12:59:48 AM
they keep saying 'peaceful protesters' but seems like they are burning down buildings, mabye they werent so peaceful afterall?
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: laconas on February 24, 2011, 01:10:37 AM
they keep saying 'peaceful protesters' but seems like they are burning down buildings, mabye they werent so peaceful afterall?

The military victories for the rebels were too quick and more than likely planned out ahead of time with hired mercs ala blackwater. Jewish media is saying the govt. is using African mercs, therefore, it means they have their owns mercs there on the other side.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: OldTimes on February 24, 2011, 01:20:49 AM
LW - who is this guy kidding? All he has done for a month now is talk softly with a big Israeli stick up his ass. While he postures and mouths false indignation his agents are directing the killing. Ten to one those soldiers killed for 'mutiny' (against the people?) had balked at the orders their Israeli / CIA handlers a.. and paid the price. Or is it Blackwater who is busy working on their bottom line?

I don't trust PressTV.ir 100%.  Though they appear to have the best coverage of what's going on, would you count on them to report key facts like this?
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 24, 2011, 08:14:21 AM
they keep saying 'peaceful protesters' but seems like they are burning down buildings, mabye they werent so peaceful afterall?

What does it matter what the media has to say or how they describe thing. You think I trust Press TV or any media source? I would think they were all of the line of Jesus if in the face of assaults by paid, armed men who seem to have a penchant for head shots, they would continue to chant and get shot. I don't recall any of the protesters claiming to be Ghandi... those labels and descriptions are solely being promulgated by the nefarious press. But then burning building and breaking the peace is much the greater crime than shooting at unarmed civilians.

And what would you do if your son or friend was shot in the head while you protested against Ben Bernanke? Slap yourself on the wrist for torching the fed?
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 24, 2011, 08:19:46 AM
I don't trust PressTV.ir 100%.  Though they appear to have the best coverage of what's going on, would you count on them to report key facts like this?


I made the supposition based on many years of observation, research and analysis... not PressTV which barely report much of anything but far more than the western media whores. I'm keeping this thread alive and in focus so as to not have yet more stuff disappear down the memory hole.

My comments are solely my own.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 24, 2011, 08:27:08 AM
The military victories for the rebels were too quick and more than likely planned out ahead of time with hired mercs ala blackwater. Jewish media is saying the govt. is using African mercs, therefore, it means they have their owns mercs there on the other side.

What 'victories? Where do you come up with this stuff Laconas... from your CIA handlers? Do they teach you to juxtapose facts as if they are a juggler's balls? How does one follow the other? The people are not armed. They have not shot anyone. They may have torn a few mossad/cia/south african mercs apart, which they more than deserve, but there have been NO military battles per se. Just professionals taking head shots.

But then you don't need facts do you? You are so fawking brilliant you can just spiel off shit without any facts, articles, sources material, media reports... just because you said so. I think you need to go hunt down Skunk and play in his yard.... the sooner the better.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: laconas on February 24, 2011, 11:22:51 AM
What 'victories? Where do you come up with this stuff Laconas... from your CIA handlers? Do they teach you to juxtapose facts as if they are a juggler's balls? How does one follow the other? The people are not armed. They have not shot anyone. They may have torn a few mossad/cia/south african mercs apart, which they more than deserve, but there have been NO military battles per se. Just professionals taking head shots.

But then you don't need facts do you? You are so fawking brilliant you can just spiel off $h^t without any facts, articles, sources material, media reports... just because you said so. I think you need to go hunt down Skunk and play in his yard.... the sooner the better.

The victories in east Libya. The overall strategy is too perfect not to have been pre-planned.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 24, 2011, 02:28:15 PM
The victories in east Libya. The overall strategy is too perfect not to have been pre-planned.

You are an idiot.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 24, 2011, 02:40:16 PM
Libyans take over major oil terminals

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/166865.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/166865.html)

Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:22PM

(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110224/pirhayati20110224160613437.jpg)
Pro-democracy demonstrators make victory signs as they stand on an army tank near a square where people are protesting in Benghazi city, Libya, February 23, 2011.

Libyan demonstrators have now taken control of key oil terminals in northern Libya as pro-democracy protests gain momentum across the North African country.

Oil terminals in the northern port cities of Ras Lanuf and Marsa El Brega are now controlled by pro-democracy protesters, Reuters reported on Thursday.

Earlier in the day, ten protesters were killed after government troops attacked the western city of Zuwarah, located 120 kilometers (74 miles) west of the capital Tripoli.

Several eastern cities have now fallen in the hands of demonstrators during 10 days of a revolution that has so far claimed the lives of 1,000 people.

Meanwhile, protesters have torn down Muammar Gaddafi's "Green Book" monument in the northwestern city of Misrata. The book contained the main tenets of political philosophy developed by the embattled 68-year-old Libyan ruler.

Gaddafi's regime is facing mounting international condemnation over its brutal crackdown on demonstrators as the death toll from Libya's revolution rises.

The UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has called on embattled Libyan ruler to show restraint and immediately stop the violence against demonstrators.

The UN Security Council has also condemned Libya's deadly crackdown on pro-democracy protesters.

The African Union on Wednesday strongly condemned the indiscriminate and excessive use of force by Gaddafi's security forces against demonstrators.

The African body announced that it would dispatch a mission to Libya to investigate the situation there.


LW _ I notice that all these African mercs put down their rifles so as to make peace signs...
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: wag on February 24, 2011, 03:38:20 PM
The victories in east Libya. The overall strategy is too perfect not to have been pre-planned.

Iran sent warships to the Med right when the jews were trying to pull this off.  Secrecy wasn't perfect.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: GovernmentMule on February 24, 2011, 04:19:12 PM
Obama makes me sick, literally, fucking uncle hymie hypocrite. He is without doubt the wall st jews tool.
He makes no disticntion between killing foreigners or your own people.
This is an inhuman lie. It is tribal, and proves to me that the tribe of israel, the worst tribe of cunts ever to breath oxygen, own him.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: wag on February 24, 2011, 04:27:04 PM
Obama makes me sick, literally, fucking uncle hymie hypocrite. He is without doubt the wall st jews tool.
He makes no disticntion between killing foreigners or your own people.
This is an inhuman lie. It is tribal, and proves to me that the tribe of israel, the worst tribe of cunts ever to breath oxygen, own him.

Jews are giving us the nigger they think we deserve.  They may be correct on this one.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 24, 2011, 04:30:02 PM
He makes no distinction between killing foreigners or your own people.

We are all globalists now.  You are an anachronism stuck in past ideals of nationalism, independence and freedom. You will receive your travel papers to a fema camp near you any day now. Buck up citizen - your indoctrination there will make you see how much you have in common with Africans, Indonesians, Mexicans but of course not with Canadians, Australians or Europeans. Viva Globama!
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 25, 2011, 12:50:27 PM
Libya urges Malta to send back jets

Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:14AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/166919.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/166919.html)

(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110225/tarapour20110225004400247.jpg)
A Libyan pilot (right) emerges from his Mirage fighter jet after landing at Malta International Airport on Monday, Feb. 21, 2011.

Malta has failed to reply to the Libyan demand for the return of two fighter jets which landed at Luqa airport as Libyan pilots defected after refusing to bomb civilians.

Two Libyan single-seater Mirage F1 fighter jets landed in Malta Monday with pilots claiming to have escaped the country after being asked by embattled Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi's regime to bomb pro-democracy protesters in Benghazi.

Libyan security forces have reportedly killed some 1,000 people during the pro-democracy demonstrations against the authoritarian reign of the 68-year-old leader.

The pilots, who claimed to be high-ranking colonels from the Okba bin Nafe base close to Tripoli, requested political asylum, and the government is considering their requests, a Maltese Foreign Ministry spokesman said Thursday.

The pair said they defected after receiving orders to bomb protesters in the opposition stronghold of Benghazi, Libya's second biggest city and the locus of revolts since February 15, Times of Malta reported.

Earlier this week another fighter pilot disobeyed orders to bomb Benghazi and ditched his plane after he and his co-pilot ejected, a report said.

The island of Malta is the closest European nation to Libya, separated by just 350 kilometers (210 miles).

Meanwhile, two Irish Air Corps planes deployed to evacuate Irish citizens from revolution-hit Libya have landed in Valletta airport, in Malta, after it was forced out of Tripoli without any passengers.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: wag on February 25, 2011, 06:45:57 PM
Libya urges Malta to send back jets


The only thing coming out of Malta these days is Israeli extasy pills by the suitcase.
Title: Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....
Post by: irmatvep on February 26, 2011, 03:55:32 PM
Just how many ways is this guys name spelled anyway?

http://geofinancial.blogspot.com/2011/02/kaddafi-mossad-renditions-cia-and.html

Tuesday, February 22, 2011
Kaddafi, Mossad, renditions, CIA, OIL and Strategic investments....all intertwined.....


" . . . the Obama administration is as much interested in allowing Qaddafi to hold on long enough so any documents or witnesses to that [CIA] torture programs can be ex-filtrated from Libya so there is no smoking gun evidence left.... Just as we saw with trying to keep Mubarak in power for enough time to clear the records of the CIA's programs there...."


February , 2011 -- Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....


http://anaconda-manifesto.blogspot.com/2011/02/kaddafis-mother-is-jewish-so-muammar.html



In an old refrain played out in Egypt, the CIA, MOSSAD, DGSE, MI6, SIMI, GID and Justice Department trying to buy time for Muammar Qaddafi, who is a Jew.... "Don't cry for me Jamahiriya."

Considering the Western Strategic investments in actual contracts with Muammar Qaddafi, worth well over 200 Billion USD, the stakes are quite high indeed....So, what's the "Tolerance" level??



We have learned from a well-placed source that Libyan dictator Muammar Qaddafi has called in a number of political and financial markers in his bid to cling on to power, no matter the costs, including waging a bloody genocidal campaign against the Libyan people....


http://www.t-room.us/2011/02/alex-jones-talks-to-pastor-lindsey-williams-detailing-bush-srs-new-world-order-target-iran-saudi-arabi-next-oil-to-hit-200-a-barrel/



The Obama administration's major concern in trying to extend Qaddafi's stay in power for as long as possible is to protect documents and potential witnesses within the Libyan Jamahiriya Security Organization (JSO). The CIA used Libyan, Syrian, Jordanian, Moroccan, and Egyptian intelligence and security facilities and assets for its "extraordinary rendition" and torture programs, first authorized by then-deputy Attorney General Eric Holder in 1997.... Holder is currently President Obama's Attorney General and, as with Egypt's Hosni Mubarak government and its joint General Intelligence Directorate-CIA kidnapping and torture program run by Omar Suleiman ("Sheik Al-Torture"), and Asef Shawkat of Syria's MI, the Obama administration is supporting the CIA in its quest to ensure that no details, including documents and witnesses, emerge from the Libyan JSO-CIA-EGID-SMI operations....

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2045328_2045333_2053107,00.html

The Obama administration wants to buy time for Qaddafi so that it can exfiltrate from Libya, JSO and other assets involved with the "Al-Qaeda" rendition, torture, and tracking programs. In fact, in a long and rambling speech delivered by Muammar Qaddafi today on Libyan state television, he railed against the Bin Laden and "Al-Qaeda" threat to his regime....

We previously reported that a CIA rendition Boeing 737 operated by CIA front company Keeler and Tate Management of Reno, Nevada, arrived at RAF Northolt, UK on November 14, 2003, from Mitiga, Libya. The plane also arrived in Libya on January 12; March 12; October 28; October 12; October 19, 2003 and February 21; March 7, 9, 16,; April 21, 23; September 7, 2004; and January 7, 16, 18, 19, 2005. The CIA Boeing torture plane flew missions between Damascus, Syria; Mitiga airport in Tripoli and Valletta, Malta; Oxford, UK; Dulles International Airport, Washington; Palma de Mallorca, Spain; Frankfurt, Germany; Morocco; and Glasgow, Scotland.

Another CIA rendition aircraft, a Gulfstream IV, leased to the CIA by Phillip H. Morse, a minority partner of the Boston Red Sox, departed Tripoli on May 5, 2004 en route to Tenerife, Canary Islands.

However, according to our source, it is the financial connections of the Qaddafi family to a number of lucrative business deals with the United States, United Kingdom, Italy, and Russia that has these countries dragging their feet on demanding the Qaddafi regime to step down. Saif al-Islam Qaddafi enjoys a close relationship with former Labor Business Secretary Lord Peter Mandelson, according to our source. It was Mandelson, who Saif reportedly calls "Mandy," who introduced Saif to Nathaniel Rothschild, the wealthy scion of the financially- and politically-powerful Rothschild family...ALL MOSSAD Sayanims.... Muammar Kaddafi's mother was Jewish and his second wife is from the "Farkash" family....

Our source reports that Saif Qaddafi, 'Nate" Rothschild, and "Mandy" are frequent diners at Moscow's ritzy Pushkin Restaurant, and have often held meetings there with Oleg Deripaska, the billionaire Russian tycoon who partly owns RUSAL, the Russian aluminum company. Deripaska, Mandelson, Saif Qaddafi, and Rothschild also met at Deripaska's Corfu estate and on the tycoon's yacht, often docked in Montenegro. The team was apparently attempting to cash in on the U.S. Air Force's lucrative tanker refueling project. RUSAL is slated to provide the aluminum for EADS (European Aeronautic Defense and Space Company), one of the two bidders -- Boeing is the other -- on the controversial contract that has been rife with fraud..... When informed that the Qaddafi family was involved with the tycoons backing EADS' contract bid, some U.S. national security officials expressed alarm.

However, as we reported on June 9, 2008, ". . . the McCain campaign wants to bury the story of McCain's 70th birthday bash held on board the yacht of a Russian aluminum tycoon in the Adriatic Sea. The party was held on August 29, 2006, McCain's birthday and followed a congressional junket by McCain and five other GOP senators to the Republic of Georgia. The host for McCain's yacht party off the coast of the Republic of Montenegro was, according to our sources with close links to the Republican Party, Oleg Deripaska, one of Russia's most powerful tycoons who made his billions in cornering Russia's aluminum market in the 1990s. The 40-year old Deripaska is also politically-connected, having married the daughter of Russia's late President Boris Yeltsin. Unlike most other Russian tycoons, who now live in exile abroad and are protected by Israeli passports, Deripaska maintains close relations to Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and another Russian tycoon, Roman Abramovich, who was also invested in Russia's aluminum industry. In 2000, Deripaska merged his firm, Basic Element, with Abramovich's firm, RusAl. Both tycoons maintain expensive homes in London."

We have also been informed by our source that Newscorp owner Rupert Murdoch has been a frequent guest at Corfu soirees also attended by Saif Qaddafi, Rothschild, Mandelson, and Derispaska. ALL MOSSAD Sayanims....
Newscorp/MOSSAD owns Fox and SKy News....

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MB24Ak05.html

On March 25, 2009, we reported: "British intelligence sources report to us that a series of high-level financial deals between Libya, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Chancellor of the Exchequer Alistair Darling, Business Secretary Peter Mandelson, former Speaker of the House of Commons Michael Martin, and Scottish First Minister Alexander Salmond resulted in the release from a Scottish prison of Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi, the Libyan Arab Airlines officials framed by CIA in the CIA/Syria MI... planting the bomb on board Pan Am 103 that killed 281 people on the plane and in the village of Lockerbie in 1988. Megrahi's colleague, Lamen Khalifa Fhimah, was acquitted of charges in the terrorist attack.In fact, according to the British intelligence sources, the Libyans were never responsible for the bombing of PanAm 103, which was carried out by the CIA/Syria MI... and their Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC) proxies in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley in retaliation for the shooting down by the USS Vincennes of an Iran Air Airbus-300 over the Persian Gulf in July 1988 that killed all 290 passengers and crew."...., in addition to a secret CIA/DEA/DIA team who was targeted by CIA's upper echelons for getting too close to covert operations with Damascus..., involving Heroin trade....and other Black Ops. with the Syrians..., and that team had to be eliminated by the CIA Mafia at Langley....

http://newhk.blogspot.com/2009/05/ciasyrian-bombing-of-panam-103-over.html


Our report continued: "Negotiations on the deal to free Megrahi, who stood to embarrass the British and U.S. governments with new evidence of his innocence if the appeal of his conviction had gone forward, began last October after two major Scottish banks, Halifax Bank of Scotland (HBOS) and Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS), collapsed. After HSBC and Barclays made overtures to the Bank of England to buy HBOS and RBS, the proposals were rejected by what is known in Whitehall as the "Larnarkshire Mafia" -- Brown, Darling, and Martin -- intervened in the Scottish financial crisis and ordered that public money vice commercial funds be used to prop up HBOS and RBS. Eventually, Lloyds TSB bought HBOS creating Lloyds Banking Group, which was, itself, later bailed out by the British government.
The word from Whitehall is that, although Parliament is in summer recess, senior staffers know that a major secret deal was worked out between Number 10 and Number 11 Downing Street (the residences of the Prime Minister and Chancellor of the Exchequer, respectively) and Qaddafi and sealed after a meeting two weeks ago between Mandelson and Qaddafi's son, Saif al Islam Qaddafi, at a Rothschild family-owned villa on Corfu....

The deal worked out is that profits realized from future oil and gas deals between Britain and Libya will be used to bail out the Scottish banks."

With these powerful connections, the Qaddafi regime is pressing his friends and allies in London, Washington, Moscow, Tel Aviv, Paris and within the Silvio Berlusconi mafia that runs Italy, that they must stress "stability" -- a word also heard as Mubarak was on the rope in Cairo -- over democracy.... So far, Qaddafi has drawn some success as he clings to power, forcing Genocide on the Libyan people and mocking the world....



Is this a prelude to Nato intervention with Africom....?



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/africaandindianocean/libya/8341483/How-Britain-danced-to-Gaddafis-tune.html



Gaddafi's Next Move: Sabotage Oil and Sow Chaos?

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2052961,00.html

By Robert Baer Tuesday, Feb. 22, 2011



Its clear to see now that mainstream media in the West and elsewhere... are extensions of the security forces and secret intelligence services, just like in any tin pot banana republic.... CNN = CIA, WAPO=CIA, Wailing Wall Street Journal=CIA, NYT=CIA etc.


The list of Saif-Al-Islam Ghadaffi's Zionist MOSSAD/MI6/CIA friends is nothing short of impressive as we can count Prince Andrew, Peter Mandelson, Goga Ashkenazi, Oleg Deripasksa as well as Jacob and Nathaniel Rothschild according to the Daily Mail....


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1359330/Gaddafi-heir-Saif-inevitably-friend-Andy-Mandy.html


http://www.counterpunch.org/castro02222011.html


....

Unlike energy produced in most African states, nearly all of Libya's oil and natural gas is produced onshore. This reduces development costs but increases the chances that political instability could impact output - and Libya has been anything but stable of late.

Libya's 1.8 million barrels per day (bpd) of oil output can be broken into two categories. The first comes from a basin in the country's western extreme and is exported from a single major hub just west of Tripoli. The second basin is in the country's eastern region and is exported from a variety of facilities in eastern cities.

At the risk of oversimplifying, Libya's population is split in half: Leader Muammar Gaddafi's power base is in Tripoli in the extreme west, the opposition is concentrated in Benghazi in the east, with a 600 kilometer-wide gulf of nearly empty desert in between.

This effectively gives the country two political factions, two energy-producing basins, two oil output infrastructures. Economically at least, the seeds of protracted conflict - regardless of what happens with Gaddafi or any political changes after he departs - have already been sown.

If Libya veers toward civil war, each side will have its own source of income to feed on, as well as a similar income source on the other side to target. There have not been any attacks on the energy sector yet, but the threats to stability - overt and implied - have been sufficient to nudge most international oil firms operating in Libya to remove their staff.

These staff are essential. At 6.5 million people, Libya's tiny population simply cannot generate the mass of technocrats and engineers required to run a reasonably sized energy sector. As such, foreign firms do most of the investing and all of the heavy lifting.

The Libyans are hardly incompetent, but even if their skill sets and labor force simply were deep enough - and they are not - the political instability is keeping many workers at home. Within the past 24 hours we have seen the first reductions in output - about 100,000 bpd is now offline - and more are sure to follow.

This will be the biggest problem for Italian energy major ENI. That firm's relationship with Libya reflects Rome's, which has had influence in what is currently Libya literally since the time of the Roman Empire. ENI has had boots on the ground in the North African state since the dawn of its energy industry in 1959 and has never scaled back its operations.

Even in the dark days of Libya's ostracism from the West in the 1980s, when American firms left due to Gaddafi's backing of various militant factions and United Nations and US sanctions were levied after Libyan agents were framed by CIA in the downed Pam Am Flight 103 in 1988, [ which was done by CIA/SYRIA and a Heroin deal gone sour, plus some Black covert ops. with DEA/CIA factions....] , killing 270 people, ENI drilled on. As such, ENI produces some 250,000 bpd in Libya, which accounts for 15% of the Italian firm's global output. It is also the major power behind the country's moderate piped natural gas exports.

http://newhk.blogspot.com/2009/05/ciasyrian-bombing-of-panam-103-over.html

ENI is also a partially state-owned firm and is thus susceptible to inefficiency and a lack of propensity to rise to technical challenges. As such, ENI has simply been unable to secure new energy sources except on terms set by others. Unsurprisingly, it has seen its market share eroded by a more adept private challenger, Edison.

All told, Italy has to find about 60 billion cubic meters (bcm) of natural gas a year to cover the country's natural gas deficit. Despite the drawbacks of partnering with someone like Gaddafi, Libya can provide about 11 bcm - and ENI, fully supported by the central government in Rome, gets all of it. Italy, via ENI, is also Libya's single largest oil consumer, with most of the rest going elsewhere in Europe.

Whether ENI loses access to Libyan energy because of safety concerns, supply interruptions or a new government in Tripoli that looks less than favorably on the company that stuck by Gaddafi through thick and thin, there is much risk and little opportunity ahead in ENI's future relations with Libya....


Vladimir Putin has an interesting way of dealing with Oleg Deripaska....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&feature=player_embedded&v=UMlsbB33QSc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7TheJPboU4c


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXiTuxqRk2Y&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=47hvENEM8yo


French President Nicolas Sarkozy has reportedly assured francophone African dictators like Chad's President Idriss Déby Itno of Paris's support in the event of popular uprisings such as those that ousted the dictators of Tunisia and Egypt and now threaten to depose Libya's Muammar Qaddafi....


Exclusive to us: The Arab revolt has spread to Arabia [we're dropping the descriptor "Saudi" since that will, in the near future, no longer be the name of the country currently known as "Saudi Arabia."] 22 Feb 2011 -- Some 100 youth took to the streets of Hafar Al Batin, calling for the end of the Saudi regime. Hafar Al Batin is a city in northeast Arabia. The Crypto-Zionist Saudi regime, through media propaganda, has devoted attention to the return of King Abdullah II after his recent surgery in Morocco. Arabians are infuriated about the lack of government response to the floods in Jeddah and the fact that Abdullah did not do anything about the damage caused by the floods. On the eve of Abdullah's return, Arabians took to the streets calling on Abdullah not to return, chanting "we don't need you." No news agency has covered the Arabian protests, except Islah TV, which has confirmed the news. People in Arabia now say "Enough is Enough." We are told there will be a big uprising in the coming days in Arabia. Islamic Ummah Party calls for reforms. Opposition says Sauds are not the only ones who have right to rule the country....


Abdullah welcomed to Riyadh by Bahrain King Hamad.






http://niqnaq.wordpress.com/2011/02/22/gaddafi-is-finished-obviously/#comment-19386


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http://www.stopcp.com/cpmindmap.php



http://www.ukcolumn.org/articles/quisling-plan-change


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http://the-tap.blogspot.com/2011/02/real-reason-africas-dictators-are-being.html


...

[Since Libya is the jackpot in N. Africa and Col. Qaddafi is the "joker," NATO calls emergency meeting. Ideas being leaked to the press so far involve making Libya into a "no fly zone," or launching selective air strikes, to tip the balance in the people's favor. The US military has been wanting to remove "Col. Brother" for so long that they must have practiced both solutions many times in the past....]
http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE71O0D420110225
[Either Robert Gates is up to his usual spy doublespeak here, or CIA/military "mindfuck" agents are close to losing control of all their boiling cauldrons of treachery in the Middle East and Africa. (There really is no better way to describe the jobs of professional mind-twisters, or "mind-rapers" than this new word.) In their wildest dreams they could not have imagined the ease with which the revolution has spread across Northern Africa. In their worst nightmares, they should have foreseen what is about to happen in American-controlled countries like Iraq (and believe it or not, possibly even in Israel itself).

America's puppets may be about to have their strings cut. Gates knows.... He has been a CIA insider since American foreign policy first went off track and began to employ mercenaries and "Islamist" militants to do our dirty work for us. At some point, it becomes necessary for the American side to disengage from this dirty war, especially if Islamist allies are exposed. If the Iraq provisional govt. of Iraq falls, then the files in govt. offices that stretch all the way back to Iraq's early days, will be laid bare. If that really happens, then everyone will forget all about CIA's "Wikileaks....."

America's intelligence war is about to blow-up in our faces.]

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2011/02/23/gates-on-libya-not-making-sense/
[“Citizen-Saboteur” equals “terrorist-lite,” one step above the “Gladio” type of terrorist being implanted all over Europe and Asia after WWII. The frank discussions within this field manual on the science of anarchy are chilling in their implications, especially after being honed in secret for sixty years or more.]
http://cgsc.cdmhost.com/cgi-bin/showfile.exe?CISOROOT=/p4013coll9&CISOPTR=307&filename=308.pdf
http://www.delaservitudemoderne.org/video-en.html
http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/05/on-bullshit-and-mindfucking.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/25/opinion/25krugman.html?_r=2
http://www.williamjohncox.com/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=63
Title: Re: Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....
Post by: FLAT_HEADED_RUSSIAN on February 26, 2011, 04:00:27 PM
according to Qaddafi it's all Al Queda's fault and every Muslim in the ME believes him - not
I WISH he'd stop firing on protesters
Good set of links
Title: Re: Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....
Post by: Mel Gibstein on February 26, 2011, 05:14:53 PM
(http://static1.purepeople.com/articles/9/57/00/9/@/419316-goga-ashkenazi-lors-de-la-soiree-du-637x0-3.jpg)

Goga Ashkenazy- Id say the chances are pretty high she is a Jewess. For Muslims the Gadafi's have more than their fair share of Jewish friends. Last night PressTV had an article reporting that Gadafi's son had gassed thousands of his people. This morning it was gone- off the net.
Something is definitely screwy with Gadafi. Id say more signs indicate he is a Jew stooge than anything else at this point and may indeed be a Jew. Can we say absolutely? The guy is and always has been a whackjob either way.
Title: Re: Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....
Post by: laconas on February 26, 2011, 05:36:58 PM

Quote
Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....

What a bunch of Bulls#*t! The Jews want Qaddafi out.
Title: Re: Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....
Post by: Mel Gibstein on February 26, 2011, 05:47:11 PM
What a bunch of Bulls#*t! The Jews want Qaddafi out.

I wonder why he doesnt just say that and get the bulk of the people on his side.
No idea if this is true or not, but if he is threatening this its simply nuts. Hard to believe a leader would say something like this.

He also feels betrayed by the West because it has only encouraged the revolt. Over the weekend, he warned several European embassies that if he falls, the consequence will be a flood of African immigration that will "swamp" Europe.
(Comment on this story.)
 

Pressed, my Libyan source acknowledged Gaddafi is a desperate, irrational man, and his threats to turn Libya into another Somalia at this point may be mostly bluffing. On the other hand, if Gaddafi in fact enjoys the loyalty of troops he thinks he has, he very well could take Libya to the brink of civil war, if not over.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2052961,00.html#ixzz1F7naLid8
Title: Re: Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....
Post by: laconas on February 26, 2011, 06:09:07 PM
I wonder why he doesnt just say that and get the bulk of the people on his side.

Qaddafi controls(controlled) a lot of power along with money, but that doesn't make him smart. For example: he was involved in rendition programs with CIA as much Mubarak, hence his nonsense about alQaeda being behind the revolt; he simply doesn't understand how that statement played out on the world stage.

Mostly his power came from throwing money around. Billy Carter probably thought he was nuts, did he care? Qaddafi gave Billy a few million thinking he could influence US policy.

Quote
Madsen: Well I think this is a little bit more unusual in dealing with someone like Ben Ali in Tunisia or Mubarak in Egypt because of his past adversarial relationship. I recall when I was with the US National Security establishment in the 1980s Muammar Gaddafi was public enemy number one. President [Ronald] Regan called him a mad dog.

We bombed Libya for various regions but in the last few years Gaddafi has established himself as an ally against the war against al-Qaeda and his government was participating just as much as the government of Mubarak in the CIA rendition and torture program. Several CIA planes flew into Tripoli dropping people off and picking people up, who were part of that program.

Obviously I think the Obama Administration is as much interested in allowing Gaddafi to hold on long enough so any documents or witnesses to that torture program can be infiltrated from Libya so there is no smoking gun evidence left.

Just as we saw with trying to keep Mubarak in power for enough time to clear the records of the CIA's program there. I would also note that something very interesting happened last month in Libya. Gaddafi returned the royal property of the old Senussi family. This is the Libyan royal family.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167048.html
Title: Re: Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....
Post by: Mel Gibstein on February 26, 2011, 06:26:03 PM
You can hit Gadafi from both sides pretty heavily. Ive heard Muslims call him a jew and jews call him a jew (which cancels that out). All I can do is guess. As far as Mubarak goes, he's been a Jew stooge. People need to start laying down their lives to get the truth out or they will pick us all off one by one.

I will let it play out a while longer, but Jews get inside like the Shah for instance. The Reagan bombing was good evidence if it was true, but who are we trusting, Reagan and the Jew media? My angle has always been straight for the Jew.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 26, 2011, 06:29:44 PM
Libyan protesters at Tripoli's gate

Sat Feb 26, 2011 6:17PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167217.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167217.html)

(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110226/khan20110226191301250.jpg)
Thousands of Libyans pray for the removal of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi in Benghazi on February 25, 2011.

Libya is bracing for further violence as thousands of opposition protesters seeking the ouster of the Gaddafi regime move toward the capital, Tripoli.

Thousands of protesters are on their way to the capital from eastern and western cities.

Some incoming reports indicate that pro-democracy protesters have already passed through the suburbs of the city.

Meanwhile, sporadic clashes continue between protesters and government forces in the capital.

This comes as more and more soldiers are now joining the popular revolution.

The developments also come as the government is losing its grip on more cities in the country's east and west.

Tripoli is home to two million of Libya's more than six million population and strategically important city.

Experts say Tripoli's fall would be a final blow to the embattled regime.

Forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi's government are said to be stationed outside Tripoli.

However, Gaddafi remains defiant after nearly two weeks of nationwide protests against his regime. He has even promised to open arms depots to his supporters.

The forces are exhausted for staying on standby for several days.

The aid organization Doctors Without Borders says it is concerned about the condition of the injured in the city of Benghazi.

It says the city is in short supply of medical equipment despite the heavy number of casualties.

The organization says a six-person group of its staff has arrived in the city. It says it cannot reach Tripoli by road despite the dire need for medical help there.

Over 1,000 people have already lost their lives and more fatalities are feared as Gaddafi's regime is trying to crush the popular uprising.

The humanitarian crisis is deepening in Libya as more and more people leave the country in search of safety.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 26, 2011, 06:33:45 PM
Leave now, Obama tells Gaddafi

Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:1AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167241.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167241.html)

(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110226/shamlou20110226233329687.jpg)
US President Barack Obama

US President Barack Obama has urged Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi to step down immediately, saying his government had lost its legitimacy.

"The Libyan people deserve a government that is responsive to their aspirations and that protects their universally recognized human rights," Obama said on Saturday.

"When a leader's only means of staying in power is to use mass violence against his own people, he has lost the legitimacy to rule and needs to do what is right for his country by leaving now," aides to the US president said in describing a telephone call with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, which Obama made to coordinate their response to the crisis, Reuters reported.

It was Obama's most direct demand yet that Gaddafi step down.

Obama and Merkel also reaffirmed their support for the Libyan people's demands for universal rights.

Libyan security forces have reportedly killed over 1,000 people during the recent demonstrations against Gaddafi's four decades of repressive rule.

But Libya is bracing for more violence as thousands of pro-democracy protesters, seeking the ouster of the Gaddafi regime, are moving toward the capital.

According to the latest reports, demonstrators have already passed through the suburbs of Tripoli.

LW - blah, blah, blah...
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Zampan0 on February 26, 2011, 06:45:34 PM
Leave now, Obama tells Gaddafi

Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:1AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167241.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167241.html)

US President Barack Obama

US President Barack Obama has urged Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi to step down immediately, saying his government had lost its legitimacy.

"The Libyan people deserve a government that is responsive to their aspirations and that protects their universally recognized human rights," Obama said on Saturday.

"When a leader's only means of staying in power is to use mass violence against his own people, he has lost the legitimacy to rule and needs to do what is right for his country by leaving now," aides to the US president said in describing a telephone call with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, which Obama made to coordinate their response to the crisis, Reuters reported.

Where should he leave to?  Maybe he should come here and be a senator or something, he would fit right in.  He would probably have to change his dress style.  I see him in a brown three piece suit, but of course his handler's here would know what's best.

Title: Re: Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....
Post by: wag on February 26, 2011, 06:50:04 PM
He's been in power 40 years.  Jews haven't taken him out.  Like Mubarrak, no jews lost money.  But that said, no jews cornered markets and industries there.  Time for a change.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: wag on February 26, 2011, 06:54:40 PM
Libyan protesters at Tripoli's gate

Sat Feb 26, 2011 6:17PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167217.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167217.html)

(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110226/khan20110226191301250.jpg)

Another photoshop job.  Check out the lower left corner.  The guy in the white t-shirt is in that photo at least twice.
Title: Re: Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....
Post by: laconas on February 26, 2011, 07:01:38 PM
You can hit Gadafi from both sides pretty heavily. Ive heard Muslims call him a jew and jews call him a jew (which cancels that out). All I can do is guess. As far as Mubarak goes, he's been a Jew stooge. People need to start laying down their lives to get the truth out or they will pick us all off one by one.

I will let it play out a while longer, but Jews get inside like the Shah for instance. The Reagan bombing was good evidence if it was true, but who are we trusting, Reagan and the Jew media? My angle has always been straight for the Jew.

This coup is very well organized. The US Marines, CIA/Mossad trainers/leaders, along with arms and satellite communication equipment were on the outskirts of Benghazi before any protester raised an anti-Qaddafi sign.
Title: Re: Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....
Post by: AngelOfLight on February 26, 2011, 07:09:08 PM
I wonder why he doesnt just say that and get the bulk of the people on his side.
No idea if this is true or not, but if he is threatening this its simply nuts. Hard to believe a leader would say something like this.

He also feels betrayed by the West because it has only encouraged the revolt. Over the weekend, he warned several European embassies that if he falls, the consequence will be a flood of African immigration that will "swamp" Europe.
(Comment on this story.)
 

Pressed, my Libyan source acknowledged Gaddafi is a desperate, irrational man, and his threats to turn Libya into another Somalia at this point may be mostly bluffing. On the other hand, if Gaddafi in fact enjoys the loyalty of troops he thinks he has, he very well could take Libya to the brink of civil war, if not over.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2052961,00.html#ixzz1F7naLid8

That is a true fact, when he went to Italy I remember him ridiculing the so called political asylum seekers. Could he be a Jew that is not for the mass invasion of Europe by non Europeans?
What would uncle Jacob say?  ;D
Title: Re: Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....
Post by: irmatvep on February 26, 2011, 07:13:40 PM
A behind the scenes analysis of the Qaddafi personality cult, and suspicions of the intricate dance of covert agencies behind the scenes here.
You are invited to consider it and decide for yourself.

part 1:
http://www.cipherverse.com/2011/02/gaddafi-the-mad-man-who-wasnt-part-1-mp3/

and part 2:
http://www.cipherverse.com/2011/02/gaddafi-the-mad-man-who-wasnt-part-2-mp3/

and part 3:
http://www.cipherverse.com/2011/02/conclusion-to-our-talk-on-gaddafi-the-mad-man-who-wasnt/
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Zampan0 on February 26, 2011, 07:18:13 PM
I think you're right on it being 'shoped' Wag.  I blew it up and this one guy seems to appear many times.  I put a yellow dot of each image I believe to be of him.  The figure that appears is just too close not to be of the same photo.  Some of the frames have been darkened, but it's the figures exact same position that gives it away, to me anyway.

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j400/zampan01/crowd.jpg)
Title: Re: Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....
Post by: laconas on February 26, 2011, 07:57:26 PM

From part 1, this pan Muslim movement appears to be a variation of liberation theology ala Islam.

Another piece of the puzzle and the picture becomes clearer.


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Liberation theology[1] is a Christian movement in political theology which interprets the teachings of Jesus Christ in terms of a liberation from unjust economic, political, or social conditions. It has been described by proponents as "an interpretation of Christian faith through the poor's suffering, their struggle and hope, and a critique of society and the Catholic faith and Christianity through the eyes of the poor",[2] and by detractors as Christianized Marxism.[3]

Although liberation theology has grown into an international and inter-denominational movement, it began as a movement within the Roman Catholic church in Latin America in the 1950s–1960s. Liberation theology arose principally as a moral reaction to the poverty caused by social injustice in that region. The term was coined in 1971 by the Peruvian priest Gustavo Gutiérrez, who wrote one of the movement's most famous books, A Theology of Liberation. Other noted exponents are Leonardo Boff of Brazil, Jon Sobrino of El Salvador, and Juan Luis Segundo of Uruguay.[4][5][6]

The influence of liberation theology diminished after proponents using Marxist concepts were admonished by the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) in 1984 and 1986. The Vatican criticized certain strains of liberation theology for focusing on institutional dimensions of sin to the exclusion of the individual; and for allegedly misidentifying the church hierarchy as members of the privileged class.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 26, 2011, 09:10:03 PM
I think you're right on it being 'shoped' Wag.  I blew it up and this one guy seems to appear many times.  I put a yellow dot of each image I believe to be of him.  The figure that appears is just too close not to be of the same photo.  Some of the frames have been darkened, but it's the figures exact same position that gives it away, to me anyway.

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j400/zampan01/crowd.jpg)

You're kidding right? I can zoom in twice and it breaks into blocks...

The desperation of those who continue to believe the jews are all powerful and can manifest a revolution with photoshop. What next?
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: OldTimes on February 27, 2011, 02:41:34 AM
I think you're right on it being 'shoped' Wag.  I blew it up and this one guy seems to appear many times.  I put a yellow dot of each image I believe to be of him.  The figure that appears is just too close not to be of the same photo.  Some of the frames have been darkened, but it's the figures exact same position that gives it away, to me anyway.

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j400/zampan01/crowd.jpg)

How can you guys so easily tell that it's photoshopped?  I see no reason to believe that it is.  From a distance one man with a white jacket facing you would look similar to another.  All instances of these people in white look slightly different to me.  Zooming it up to block level, there are no two that are alike.  Or did you expect only one person in a crowd this size to wear white?

There's a woman (I think) wearing a bright-red almost flourescent pink blouse with what seems to me a jean/denim skirt.  Actually there are two of them (the other not wearing a skirt though).  I didn't think women dressed like that in public there.

I'm not saying either way this image is photoshopped (I can't tell) - but the argument is unconvincing.  Perhaps we need an expert to look at it.  I've seen expert analysis on photoshopped pics that are pretty convincing.  I know there is one of GWBush carrying a large Talmud that is a photoshop, of course the principle there is not disingenuine.
Title: Re: Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....
Post by: FLAT_HEADED_RUSSIAN on February 27, 2011, 04:28:43 AM
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Last night PressTV had an article reporting that Gadafi's son had gassed thousands of his people. This morning it was gone- off the net.
Wow you should have posted it or copied it
I'm doing a search to find it now
Title: Re: Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....
Post by: wag on February 27, 2011, 05:02:30 AM
Last night PressTV had an article reporting that Gadafi's son had gassed thousands of his people. This morning it was gone- off the net.
Wow you should have posted it or copied it
I'm doing a search to find it now

Most likely this came out of an interview with a jew.  Jews make things up, gassings not withstanding.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: wag on February 27, 2011, 05:12:30 AM
You're kidding right?

It's a common thing, and here's how it's done...


http://vyonyx.com/2007/09/16/tutorials-creating-a-realstic-crowd-in-photoshop/ (http://vyonyx.com/2007/09/16/tutorials-creating-a-realstic-crowd-in-photoshop/)

and

http://www.tothepc.com/archives/photoshop-goofup-to-swell-crowd-at-political-rally/ (http://www.tothepc.com/archives/photoshop-goofup-to-swell-crowd-at-political-rally/)

Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: laconas on February 27, 2011, 10:58:37 AM
It's a common thing, and here's how it's done...


http://vyonyx.com/2007/09/16/tutorials-creating-a-realstic-crowd-in-photoshop/ (http://vyonyx.com/2007/09/16/tutorials-creating-a-realstic-crowd-in-photoshop/)

and

http://www.tothepc.com/archives/photoshop-goofup-to-swell-crowd-at-political-rally/ (http://www.tothepc.com/archives/photoshop-goofup-to-swell-crowd-at-political-rally/)



FWIW, they're not gonna be getting any more large groups protesting Libya now that it has turned into a civil war.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: laconas on February 27, 2011, 11:04:50 AM

The Marines and the CIA are already there arming and training the coup leaders and troopers. This must be the pre-announcement.


Senators call for aid, arms for Libyan provisional government
By CNN Political Unit
February 27, 2011 1:54 p.m. EST

Cairo, Egypt (CNN) -- The United States and its allies should recognize and arm a provisional government in Libya, and also impose a no-fly zone that would prevent Libyan aircraft from attacking anti-government protesters there, two leading U.S. senators said Sunday.

Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, and Sen. Joseph Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut who caucuses with the Democrats, told CNN's "State of the Union" that the Obama administration needs to do more to help protesters oust Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi.

"I think the world has to do more," Lieberman said. "I'd begin with the imposition of a no-fly zone so that Gadhafi can't be attacking his own people from the air."

In addition, Lieberman said, "We've got to recognize the opposition provisional government as the legitimate government of Libya and that we ought to give that government certainly humanitarian assistance and military arms, not to go in on the ground ourselves, but give them the wherewithal to fight on behalf of the people of Libya against a really cruel dictator."

Both Lieberman and McCain stopped short of calling for U.S. forces to get involved. McCain added that the United States and allies should make clear that any foreign mercenaries backing Gadhafi in attacking the Libyan people would face a war crimes tribunal.

Both senators, speaking from Cairo, Egypt, said they understood the administration's concern over making statements or taking steps that could endanger American citizens in Libya, but they called the response so far insufficient.

"Get tough," McCain said. "I understand that the security and safety of American citizens is our highest priority. It's not our only priority."

People throughout the Middle East and around the world were " looking to America for leadership, for assistance, for moral support and ratification of the sacrifices they've made in the defense of democracy," McCain said. "America should lead."

Libya descended further into chaos Sunday, with Gadhafi, the nation's leader for more than 40 years, clinging to power in Tripoli after weeks of protests.

On Saturday, President Obama said Gadhafi "has lost the legitimacy to rule and needs to do what is right for his country by leaving now." Secretary of State Hillary Clinton also issued a statement urging the Libyan leader to step down.

In addition, both the United Nations Security Council and the United States are imposing new sanctions that target the Libyan leadership.

Lieberman, who chairs the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, said he understood the administration's initial hesitation in speaking out on the crisis in Libya, but added that a strong message was necessary.

"Frankly I wish we had spoken out much more clearly and early against the Gadhafi regime," Lieberman said, adding "the fact is now is the time for action, not just statements."

Saying he hoped that new sanctions would be successful, Lieberman added that the United States should be ready to do more.

"I hope that the opposition forces may end all of this by ... taking it all over and ending the Gadhafi regime, but if they don't, we should help them," Lieberman said.

McCain, meanwhile, predicted the end of Gadhafi's rule, with the only question being how many people get killed until that happens.

-- CNN's Gabriella Schwarz and Tom Cohen contributed to this report

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/02/27/senators.libya.obama/
Title: Re: Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....
Post by: Mel Gibstein on February 27, 2011, 11:05:56 AM
Most likely this came out of an interview with a jew.  Jews make things up, gassings not withstanding.

I was about to post it like I once posted a different article of theirs about the Marines supposedly drugged that had to do with the Haditha massacre. I also announced it on the Liddy show. Every now and then they drop a bomb that can discredit anyone copying and pasting it. I dont trust Presstv, although they do have some good articles every now and then. They are too fast to post news stories either knowingly or unknowlingly.
Title: Re: Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....
Post by: Mel Gibstein on February 27, 2011, 11:07:34 AM
Wow you should have posted it or copied it
I'm doing a search to find it now

I know I got it from another source and it took me to Presstv. This morning I thought it would be huge, but it was gone.

http://www.abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&Id=228282

didnt take long to find another link there.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167065.html   Theres the presstv article, but it was buried fast. Kind of odd they write this and post Gadahfi's mug right on it like he did it. Now there isnt even any truth to it at all. WTF?
Title: Re: Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....
Post by: Mel Gibstein on February 27, 2011, 11:20:50 AM
A behind the scenes analysis of the Qaddafi personality cult, and suspicions of the intricate dance of covert agencies behind the scenes here.
You are invited to consider it and decide for yourself.


I am getting an Israeli accent from the interviewer, but what little Ive heard in the second mp3 about the IRA connections with Ghadafi will be interesting to say the least. There is no doubt always been a Jewish connection in the IRA and Ghadafi was a financier of that. Of course I can be entirely wrong. I'll be listening to the rest of this soon.
Title: Re: Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....
Post by: Mel Gibstein on February 27, 2011, 12:57:59 PM
This interview uncovered some good possibilities of Ghadafi being a plant, but who is to trust? If the fact about him selling out Saddam is true, no doubt he's a plant. Not to mention his getting caught with several countries tied with terrorism. It looks like the neo Nazi movement of America (Feds). After hearing that interview at least.
Title: Re: Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....
Post by: laconas on February 27, 2011, 02:15:02 PM
I know I got it from another source and it took me to Presstv. This morning I thought it would be huge, but it was gone.

http://www.abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&Id=228282

didnt take long to find another link there.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167065.html   Theres the presstv article, but it was buried fast. Kind of odd they write this and post Gadahfi's mug right on it like he did it. Now there isnt even any truth to it at all. WTF?

I'm still think about presstv.ir and rt.com. Presstv seems to be following the opinion of the Arab street and go beyond Jewish media regarding the ME revolts. They appear to welcome the change and see an opening for themselves even if it's Jewish led.

I agree with most stories on rt.com, but the one about the Wisconsin protest took me back a bit. They portrayed the govt. workers striking as average workers who are getting trampled by capitalism.
Title: Re: Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....
Post by: laconas on February 27, 2011, 02:24:32 PM

Putin's view from rt.com: the Jew's heavy hand will push most of the ME out of the Jew's sphere of influence.



Rising influence of Mid East Islamists may affect N. Caucasus - Putin

Published: 24 February, 2011, 09:53


At a joint conference with the European Commission in Brussels, Russian Premier Vladimir Putin expressed concerns about the rising influence of radical Islamists in Middle East and North Africa, which may affect the situation in the North Caucasus.

 "Despite calming statements that radicals can hardly take over power or strengthen in North African countries, the situation is of great concern for Russia," Vladimir Putin said.

However, Putin noted that the Islamification of North Africa is unlikely, in his opinion, if the democratic process is allowed to take its natural course, without the support of the West.

Putin addressed Western powers with a plea not to interfere in the conflict in North Africa and the Middle East and to allow people there to elect who they want.

“We need to give people a chance to determine their future themselves. We need to give them an opportunity to take a natural way without any foreign interference to build their future,” claimed Putin.

Russian Prime Minister also recalled several cases when the interference of the Western community led to reverse effects of what West wanted.

“I would like to go back in history a little bit. The former leader of the Iranian Revolution – where did he live?! He lived in Paris. And as a whole, he was supported by the Western community. Now the entire Western community fights against the Iranian nuclear program."

“I remember just recently our partners were very active in supporting democratic elections in the Palestinian autonomy. And Hamas won. And immediately they declared Hamas a terrorist organization and started fighting against it,” said Putin.

Putin added that in the light of the already-rising oil prices, were the Western powers to interfere in the democratic process in North Africa, the world’s economy would be harmed even further.

In a joint statement, Putin and head of the European Commission Jose Manuel Barroso have urged governments of the countries in the Middle East and North Africa experiencing turbulence to respect human rights and international humanitarian law, as well as guarantee the safety of civilians and foreign citizens.

http://rt.com/news/putin-brussels-eu-ties/
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: laconas on February 27, 2011, 02:42:24 PM

The British admit they have SAS on the ground in Libya. NBC news also said Germany has commandos on the ground in Libya. By Tuesday or Wednesday the US will admit they have US Marines on the ground in Libya.


Quote
SAS assist in evacuation of British oil workers from Libyan desert

Foreign Office organise chartered flights from Malta to Gatwick for those plucked to safety during special forces operation
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/27/sas-evacuation-british-workers-libya
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: laconas on February 27, 2011, 02:47:42 PM


Quote
German opposition upset over commandoes used for Libya evacuation

Monsters and Critics.com - ‎Feb 25, 2011‎

The Greens Party said that under German law parliament should have been informed in advance about any foreign armed deployment. Two Air Force Transall planes flew to Libya Wednesday and carried evacuees to Malta. According to public television channel ...

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/europe/news/article_1622009.php/German-opposition-upset-over-commandoes-used-for-Libya-evacuation
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: GovernmentMule on February 27, 2011, 03:10:27 PM
We are all globalists now.  You are an anachronism stuck in past ideals of nationalism, independence and freedom.

I am Sir, and I thank god for it!  ;)
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: GovernmentMule on February 27, 2011, 03:16:41 PM

Malta has failed to reply to the Libyan demand for the return of two fighter jets which landed at Luqa airport as Libyan pilots defected after refusing to bomb civilians.


I realise it is not exactly the same, but this brings to mind the Iraqi jets that fled just before the illegal heroic "shock and awe" war operation for freedom began.
Could they be related by any chance?
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: laconas on February 27, 2011, 05:48:49 PM

Young pilots don't defect as career officers because of moral considerations, but they do defect for monetary considerations.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 27, 2011, 09:55:25 PM
Gaddafi bombs protesters near Tripoli

Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:7PM

source:http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167371.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167371.html)


(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110227/gholizadeh20110227203103750.jpg)
An injured Libyan protester (file photo)

Forces loyal to Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi have heavily bombarded pro-democracy protesters, who are zeroing in on the capital, Tripoli.

The bombardment was reported in Zawiyah, a city located some 50 kilometers west of Tripoli.

The violence act came hours after demonstrators took control of the strategically important town.

Two thousand people have been reported killed in the weeks-long violence.

The embattled regime has recently used aerial attacks and poison gas against the peaceful protesters.

Reports also say forces and foreign mercenaries loyal to Gaddafi have surrendered parts of Tripoli to pro-democracy protesters.

The residents of some neighborhoods in the capital have barricaded their streets and are openly showing defiance.

The anti-government demonstrations continue across Libya as more cities fall into protester control.

Protesters have already seized control of several cities including Libya's second largest city, Benghazi. They are calling for an end to the long-time rule of Colonel Gaddafi.

Meanwhile, Libyan protest leaders have established a transitional national council in cities seized by anti-regime forces.

Gaddafi has recently announced plans to arm his supporters to fight his opponents.

The UN Security Council has imposed sanctions on the Libyan regime and has referred Gaddafi to the International Criminal Court.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: pope daniel on February 28, 2011, 12:08:17 AM
seems everytime there is a libyan bomb drop report theres another 1k on the death toll. the palestinian toll must be under-calculated
Title: Re: Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....
Post by: Mel Gibstein on February 28, 2011, 02:31:31 AM
I'm still think about presstv.ir and rt.com. Presstv seems to be following the opinion of the Arab street and go beyond Jewish media regarding the ME revolts. They appear to welcome the change and see an opening for themselves even if it's Jewish led.

I agree with most stories on rt.com, but the one about the Wisconsin protest took me back a bit. They portrayed the govt. workers striking as average workers who are getting trampled by capitalism.

I dont trust RT. Rivero loves to push RT. I give it the senses test and my eyes dont accept RT. The people on it look a bit off to me and it never sets right with me. The women look like Jewesses. I could be wrong, but I go with my gut. You are either telling the truth or you aint and they may be telling more truth than the MSM, but that really isnt saying much at all. I can think of thousands of subjects they wont touch exposing this psychotic Jew elephant in the room, but they tiptoe around the elephant dung. They have to get your trust to bomb you. All of this crap Rivero has on his site is poison in my opinion.
Title: Re: Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....
Post by: Mel Gibstein on February 28, 2011, 02:38:29 AM
Quote
Putin added that in the light of the already-rising oil prices, were the Western powers to interfere in the democratic process in North Africa, the world’s economy would be harmed even further.

I dont know why they keep saying "the West". Until they call it what it is it will be business as usual. The West is in his country too and many of them came from his neck of the woods.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 28, 2011, 03:37:30 AM
Gaddafi regime fighter down in Libya

Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:53AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167472.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167472.html)

A warplane belonging to government forces under Libya's ruler Muammar Gaddafi has been downed around the northwestern city of Misrata as the regime's grip on power loosens.

The plane went down some 210 kilometers east of the capital, Tripoli, where pro-democracy protesters have also repelled the latest offensive by the Gaddafi regime.

The port city is Libya's third largest where a number of people have also been reportedly killed.

The report comes a day after forces loyal to Gaddafi heavily bombarded pro-democracy protesters, who are closing in on the capital city where the North African state's ruler has been holed up.

The bombardment was reported in Zawiyah, a city located some 50 kilometers west of Tripoli.

According to reports, two thousand people have been killed in Libya's weeks-long violence.

The embattled regime has recently used aerial attacks and poison gas against the peaceful protesters.

Reports also say forces and foreign mercenaries loyal to Gaddafi have surrendered parts of Tripoli to pro-democracy protesters.

The residents of some neighborhoods in the capital have barricaded their streets and are openly showing defiance.

The pro-democracy demonstrations continue across Libya as more cities fall into protesters' control.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 28, 2011, 09:31:08 AM
US mulls military attack on Libya

Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:44PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167531.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167531.html)

The US has reportedly planned to deploy thousands of its naval and aerial forces near Libya as it mulls over military intervention in the North African country.

The US military announced on Monday that it will deploy naval and aerial forces near Libya, the Washington Post reported.

A Pentagon spokesman said various contingency plans have been taken into consideration in order to provide options and flexibility once decisions are made.

One option on the table is using NATO air power to enforce a no-fly zone over Libya. This measure, however, requires UN approval.

Also on Monday, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said, "We will continue to explore all possible options for action."

The development comes as Libyan air force attacked ammunition depots in two separate locations south of Benghazi.

Fighting flared up Monday in Misrata, near the capital where protesters have shot down a helicopter and captured its crew.

A brutal crackdown by the regime on opposition protests that began nearly two weeks ago has left an estimated 2,000 people dead so far.

In Benghazi, many are celebrating their freedom from Muammar Gaddafi's rule after taking control of the city.

However, many Libyans are still dying as a result of insufficient medical supplies to treat severe injuries.

Colonel Gaddafi has been in power since a military coup in 1969.

Gaddafi and his family members have been holding a tight grip on the country's industries for the past four decades. Reports say they have hidden away a massive amount of wealth in secret foreign bank accounts.

LW - Quel supris! If you can't infiltrate and get in front of the revolution to waylay freedom then the only other option is to destroy it with forms of arms, more murder and mayhem. You would think that a revolution on the verge of success that most insist was promulgated by the Jews to destabilize the ME for their own purposes would not need force of arms. But I suppose sanctions, which will only hurt the people (since Gaddafi is toast) and that is intended to persist for years against the people is not sufficient enough of a threat to get the people to embrace a replacement dictator. Is this why Gaddafi hangs on... knowing that salvation was on the way? A rescue in the way of an armada that will put him back on top? And by foreign nations who mouth platitudes to 'democracy' while providing their puppet dictators with assistance both overt and covert? Well, take heart america... war is good for the economy, whether we have any business over there or not.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 28, 2011, 12:44:49 PM
Hillary Clinton to Libya: "Nothing is off the table"

source: http://whitehouse.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/28/hillary-clinton-to-libya-nothing-is-off-the-table/ (http://whitehouse.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/28/hillary-clinton-to-libya-nothing-is-off-the-table/)

Posted by:
CNN White House Producer Lesa Jansen

WASHINGTON (CNN)–Secretary of State Hillary Clinton Monday speaking in Geneva, Switzerland said  "nothing is off the table" as the United States works with allies to stop the bloodshed in Libya where embattled leader Moammar Gadhafi struggles to remain in power.  But as the Pentagon confirms that the United States is "repositioning" naval and air forces to be prepared for any option with Libya, Secretary Clinton said there is no pending U.S. naval actions planned against Libya. "We do believe that there will be the need for support for humanitarian intervention," she said when asked about the reports.

Clinton called again for Gadhafi's ouster and said she is in "intense discussions" with friends and allies of the United States and that the world will hold the Libyan leader and his regime accountable for human rights abuses.

Clinton's remarks come as she meets with European Union ministers.  Monday the EU agreed to impose economic sanctions on Libya, including an arms embargo, freezing Ghadaffi's assets and banning travel to Libya. This is the latest action after the United States announced similar sanctions Friday.

Speaking to reporters, Clinton said that U.S. humanitarian teams have been sent to Libya's borders of Tunisia and Egypt.   Clinton said USAID has set aside an additional $10 million for humanitarian aid including much needed medical supplies.  Saying the United States is very concerned about the humanitarian situation in Libya.

Clinton told the U.N. Human Rights Council in Geneva the world's eyes are fixed on Libya.  "Mercenaries and thugs have been turned loose to attack demonstrators. There are reports of soldiers executed for refusing to turn their guns on their fellow citizens, of indiscriminate killings, arbitrary arrests, and torture."

President Obama will meet with U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon later today at the White House.


LW _ how in hell's name do sanctions against a regime about to tumble do anything but penalize the people? The bloodshed you deplore Hillary is caused by the man whose daughter was killed by your hubby. They are killing people using US weapons Hilary on which you and your cohorts undoubtedly made a tidy profit  which came indirectly from taxpayer dollars. Whatever 'refugees' there may be they are people who fear for their lives because they were part of the regime and must necessarily worry about repercussions.

We're not intervening but we're gonna go in...

What a meally mouthed bitch... Condee Rice should be taking notes.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: GovernmentMule on February 28, 2011, 02:48:45 PM
Young pilots don't defect as career officers because of moral considerations, but they do defect for monetary considerations.

Yes, I bet they do, and I can think of one chap with plenty of money that loves "revolutions" Soros anyone?
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: GovernmentMule on February 28, 2011, 02:53:49 PM
seems everytime there is a libyan bomb drop report theres another 1k on the death toll. the palestinian toll must be under-calculated

Jews only use compassionate ordnance, bombing in a caring and educational way you see, keeps the kill rate down.  ;)
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: OldTimes on February 28, 2011, 06:31:28 PM
LW - Quel supris! If you can't infiltrate and get in front of the revolution to waylay freedom then the only other option is to destroy it with forms of arms, more murder and mayhem. You would think that a revolution on the verge of success that most insist was promulgated by the Jews to destabilize the ME for their own purposes would not need force of arms. But I suppose sanctions, which will only hurt the people (since Gaddafi is toast) and that is intended to persist for years against the people is not sufficient enough of a threat to get the people to embrace a replacement dictator. Is this why Gaddafi hangs on... knowing that salvation was on the way? A rescue in the way of an armada that will put him back on top? And by foreign nations who mouth platitudes to 'democracy' while providing their puppet dictators with assistance both overt and covert? Well, take heart america... war is good for the economy, whether we have any business over there or not.

Perhaps they want to insure that Gaddafi loses his power in Libya.  It seems the 'Al Qeada' Israelis with offices in Tripoli are not succeeding - even while shooting into crowds and using media to blame Gaddafi's son.  (how transparent is that?)
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 28, 2011, 08:56:38 PM
Libya protesters take over military base

Tue Mar 1, 2011 5:36AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167585.html

(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110301/shafabakhsh20110301052116623.jpg)
Libyan pro-democracy protesters who are now part of the forces against Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi organize ammunition at a military base in Benghazi in eastern Libya, February 28, 2011.

Hundreds of Libyans including, children and elderly men, have taken over a military air base in southern Benghazi, hoping to begin training to repel attacks by Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi's troops.

"We are receiving dozens of civilians who want to get trained and then enlisted. We are ready to defend Benghazi and its suburbs. We are here to help our brothers in Tripoli if they ask our support, but I'm sure that they can defend themselves," Colonel Maraey Logny said on Monday, Reuters reported.

Enlisted men at the air base in the city will receive intensive training sessions on using heavy cannons and anti-aircraft weapons.

"I'm calling all Libyan youth to be enlisted to confront this despotic dictator to defend our country, blood and lives," enlisted man Saleh Al-Abidy said.

Large swathes of youth have hurried to military bases all over the country to defend it and be ready to confront any attacks by troops under Libyan ruler.

"I came here to join the Libyan military, because we want to topple Muammar who kills the people." Libyan child Suleiman Meftah said.

A brutal crackdown by the Libyan regime on pro-democracy protesters that began nearly two weeks ago has left an estimated 2,000 people dead so far.

According to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), nearly 100,000 people have fled the violence in crisis-hit Libya over the past week.

Gaddafi, who led a military coup against King Idris, came to power and established "the Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya" in 1969.

The Libyan leader has ruled the North African country for nearly 42 years. He has seven sons and one daughter from two marriages.

Gaddafi and his family members have been holding a tight grip on the country's industries. Reports say they have hidden an estimated at $32.5 billion in secret foreign bank accounts.

The United States and other foreign governments discussed military options for dealing with Libya on Monday as beleaguered Gaddafi scoffed at the threat to his government from a spreading popular revolution.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on February 28, 2011, 09:05:32 PM
US, France, Britain set up bases in Libya

Tue Mar 1, 2011 2:49AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167578.html

(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110301/gholizadeh20110301031941793.jpg)
US troops (file photo)

Britain, France and the United States have dispatched hundreds of military advisors to Libya to set up military bases in the country's oil-rich east, reports say.

Several Libyan diplomats have been quoted by news outlets as saying these forces are setting up bases in the eastern cities of Benghazi and Tobruk -- the two oil-rich cities that have been liberated by the opposition forces.

British and US special forces entered Libyan port cities of Benghazi and Toburk on February 23 and 24.

Three Indian navy warships are also expected to be deployed in the region. Earlier on Monday, the US military confirmed it has deployed naval and air forces around Libya.

A Pentagon spokesman said various contingency plans are considered to provide options and flexibility once decisions are made.

Earlier on Monday, the US military confirmed it has deployed naval and air forces around Libya.

On Monday, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Washington would “continue to explore all possible options for action."

LW - globalism ubber alles. And not a peep of opposition from the MSM. No need to even discuss the wisdom of such use of force in our fascist capitals. But hey, Pike's war is the necessary step toward the final move to world domination by the thugs and criminals who purport to be 'world leaders'... as they lead us off to a hell.
Title: Report: US Special Forces Arrive In Libya
Post by: laconas on March 01, 2011, 06:37:09 AM
(http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/LibyaBlogOutsde.jpg)

Yeah, sure.

(Did the US bring in fancy banner and flag printing equipment?)




Report: US Special Forces Arrive In Libya



Military overthrow of Gaddafi nears as US war machine backs rebels


Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Tuesday, March 1, 2011

US Special Forces have reportedly landed in Libya to train anti-Gaddafi rebels as a western-backed coup d’état in the oil-rich nation nears, with British and French “defense advisors” also arriving to set up training bases in the rebel-controlled eastern region of the country.

According to a report in the Pakistan Observer, hundreds of special forces personnel from the US, Britain and France arrived on February 23 and 24 in “American and French warships and small naval boats off Libyan ports of Benghazi and Tobruk.”

The article states that the report was confirmed by a Libyan diplomat in the region, who said that “The three Western states have landed their special forces troops in Cyrinacia and are now setting up their bases and training centres,” in a bid to bolster rebel forces resisting Gaddafi’s militia in the surrounding region.

“The Western forces are reportedly preparing to set-up training bases for local militias set-up by the rebel forces for an effective control of the oil-rich region and counter any push by pro-Qaddafi forces from Tripoli,” states the report.

In addition, efforts to “neutralize” the Libyan Air Force are underway in a bid to stymie Gaddafi’s ability to rule from Tripoli if he manages to remain in power.

The US Navy has also confirmed that the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise, which had previously been on pirate-hunting duty off the coast of Somalia, is now steaming towards Libya as tensions rise.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton publicly admitted for the first time yesterday that the United States was preparing to back anti-government rebels, despite Hafiz Ghoga, the spokesman for the newly formed National Libyan Council in the rebel controlled eastern city of Benghazi, warning that any “foreign intervention” would not be welcome.

“The rest of Libya will be liberated by the people … and Gaddafi’s security forces will be eliminated by the people of Libya,” Ghoga said during a news conference.

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Report: US Special Forces Arrive In Libya 161008pptv3

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Meanwhile, ex-European representative for the Carlyle Group and former British Prime Minister John Major has become the latest to add his voice to the growing chorus of those calling for military intervention to oust Gaddafi.

Major backed, “Other Western leaders who are on the brink of ordering military action against Col Muammar Gaddafi amid fears that the Libyan dictator could use chemical weapons against his own people,” reports the Telegraph.

Current British Prime Minister David Cameron has also been busy setting the stage for a western-backed coup d’état, calling for a no fly zone to be erected over the country.

“If Col Gaddafi uses military force against his own people, the world cannot stand by. That is why we should be looking at a no-fly zone,” Cameron said. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov blasted the idea of a no fly zone as “superfluous,” instead signaling support for UN-backed sanctions.

On Friday, 40 influential neo-conservatives signed a letter to Barack Obama urging the President to “immediately” prepare military action to overthrow Gaddafi.

Any regime change achieved with the assistance of western nations will provide deeper access to a country that holds the largest amount of oil reserves in Africa and the tenth largest in the world, with a reserve to production ratio of around 66 years.

*********************

Paul Joseph Watson is the editor and writer for Prison Planet.com. He is the author of Order Out Of Chaos. Watson is also a fill-in host for The Alex Jones Show. Watson has been interviewed by many publications and radio shows, including Vanity Fair and Coast to Coast AM, America’s most listened to late night talk show.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/report-us-special-forces-arrive-in-libya.html
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: laconas on March 01, 2011, 06:59:12 AM

The racial make up the US chose should make them blend into the crowds better.


(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110301/gholizadeh20110301031941793.jpg)
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: pope daniel on March 01, 2011, 07:51:49 AM
The racial make up the US chose should make them blend into the crowds better.


(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110301/gholizadeh20110301031941793.jpg)

Ethnic diversity isn't that bad right? Singapore is one of the wealthiest nations on earth and is 40% immigrants.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 01, 2011, 09:55:40 AM
The racial make up the US chose should make them blend into the crowds better.
(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110301/gholizadeh20110301031941793.jpg)

Minority hiring practices. I noticed that when I posted the pic but felt it not worthwhile enough to comment on. Now they can go to the countries of their origin and kill the offspring of their forefathers. But of course the same was done against Germany over the span of two wars. Jews were ecstatic by both the profits and the added bonus of internecine warfare.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: FrankDialogue on March 01, 2011, 10:00:57 AM
The Marines and the CIA are already there arming and training the coup leaders and troopers. This must be the pre-announcement.


Senators call for aid, arms for Libyan provisional government


Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, and Sen. Joseph Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut who caucuses with the Democrats, told CNN's "State of the Union" that the Obama administration needs to do more to help protesters oust Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi.

"I think the world has to do more," Lieberman said. "I'd begin with the imposition of a no-fly zone so that Gadhafi can't be attacking his own people from the air."

In addition, Lieberman said, "We've got to recognize the opposition provisional government as the legitimate government of Libya and that we ought to give that government certainly humanitarian assistance and military arms, not to go in on the ground ourselves, but give them the wherewithal to fight on behalf of the people of Libya against a really cruel dictator."

Both Lieberman and McCain stopped short of calling for U.S. forces to get involved. McCain added that the United States and allies should make clear that any foreign mercenaries backing Gadhafi in attacking the Libyan people would face a war crimes tribunal.




See, Zionists smell another Iraq here, and they want to lock up Libyan oil...WTF are Lieberman and McCain doing in Cairo so soon after the protests there?...Are they on a goodwill mission?
Title: Re: Report: US Special Forces Arrive In Libya
Post by: wag on March 01, 2011, 10:15:44 AM
The Third Barbary War? 
Title: Re: Report: US Special Forces Arrive In Libya
Post by: laconas on March 01, 2011, 10:29:45 AM
The Third Barbary War? 

They don't call war, war, anymore.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: laconas on March 01, 2011, 10:43:13 AM

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See, Zionists smell another Iraq here, and they want to lock up Libyan oil...WTF are Lieberman and McCain doing in Cairo so soon after the protests there?...Are they on a goodwill mission?

They're assessing the new aid package for the new puppet leaders.
Title: Re: Report: US Special Forces Arrive In Libya
Post by: pope daniel on March 01, 2011, 11:49:24 AM
They don't call war, war, anymore.

war is entering neighborhoods and pretending the civillians are armed militants. actual militaries fighting eachother i believe they call an incidence
Title: Re: Report: US Special Forces Arrive In Libya
Post by: Spahi on March 01, 2011, 02:51:39 PM
(http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/LibyaBlogOutsde.jpg)

Funny I heard like a week ago some 'Libyan' woman (actually Zio plant) was praying along with others for the U.S. to intervene. They want their freedoms!
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 01, 2011, 04:18:33 PM
Libyan infantry commander joins people

Tue Mar 1, 2011 11:25PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167747.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167747.html)

The commander of the Libyan army's infantry forces has joined the revolution against Muammar Gaddafi's regime, and the international community is stepping up pressure on the North African country to stop the violence.

Al Jazeera Arabic reported the commander's defection late on Tuesday.

This development comes as more government and military officials are defecting from the Gaddafi camp because of the government's harsh crackdown on protesters.

Earlier, one of the Libyan ruler's sons, Seif al-Arab Gaddafi, joined forces with protesters in the eastern city of Benghazi. He was sent there by his father to crack down on protesters in the city.

Libyan Justice Minister Mustafa Abdel Galil and Interior Minister Abdel Fatah Yunes resigned last week and joined the people's revolution.

"Our only aim is to liberate Libya from this regime and then people (can) choose the government they want," Abdel Galil said in an interview with Al Jazeera after his resignation.

Ahmed Gaddaf al-Dam, one of the Libyan ruler's top security officials, has also resigned.

The Libyan envoy to the Arab League, Abdel Moneim al-Honi, and the country's ambassador to China, Hussein Sadeq Al Misurati, resigned on Sunday to join the protests.

With international pressure on Gaddafi mounting, the UN General Assembly unanimously approved the suspension of Libya from the UN Human Rights Council on Tuesday.

The UN secretary general made the announcement in an address to the UN General Assembly in New York.

Ban also urged the General Assembly to act decisively on the crisis, stating that the people who have committed crimes against humanity in Libya should be punished.

The US and NATO bases in Italy are reportedly preparing for military action against Libya, despite Russia's warnings against the deployment of foreign forces to the North African country.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Sue on March 01, 2011, 05:25:55 PM
Apparently:


Title: Re: Those MOSSAD sayanims who secretly back Qaddafi....
Post by: irmatvep on March 01, 2011, 07:05:24 PM
Zionist Muammar Qaddafi speaking the language of his masters in Tel Aviv about fake ‘al Qaeda’ in Libya (official translation). Does it not sound like mad dogs Netanyahu, Clinton, Sarkozy, Cameron and Merkel when they insult Muslims and Islaam ? Make this video goes viral on the internet. Jazakum Allah kheyren

In an attempt to avoid such a revolution in ‘Saudi’ Arabia, the Saudi pro-West European dictators are increasing the salaries of Arabs in the democratic process of buying votes and acceptance of tyranny and corruption. Hence, the term ‘pro-democracy protestors’ is a complete misnomer and merely used for propaganda purposes.

Those revolutions are about freedom, justice, the liberation of Arab countries, including Palestine, the establishment of a pan-Arab economic system much less dependent on West Europeans and a defence force to better defend Arab countries from the aggression and occupation they have been experiencing for nearly a century.

Lockerbie and US terror friendship with Gadhafi
As the predominantly Muslim Arab world reels under its peoples’ will to free themselves from pro-Zionist terror regimes, we hear the same Western and pro-Western European rhetoric of Al-Qaeda to justify the massacres and persecution of Muslims at home and abroad. The uprising against US-supported Gadhafi’s Libyan regime is no surprise.

Gadhafi has been in power for 42 years. At one point, when his policy changed to denounce the US and Israel, he was branded the « mad dog of the Mediterranean ». On 15 April 1986, the US bombed the Libyan Capital Tripoli in an attempt to assassinate Gadhafi. They missed him and murdered his 15-month old adopted daughter Hanna instead. They accused Gadhafi of the Berlin discotheque bombing in 1986 and of supporting freedom movements, such as the IRA which wanted a unified Ireland and the removal of what they regarded as British armed terrorists from Irish soil, which the West Europeans branded as terrorist organisations.

Although there are clear indications that the bombing of the Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, on 21 December 1988 may have been the response of Iranians (and Palestinians) after the US Navy’s guided missile cruiser The USS Vincennes shot down, earlier, an Iranian Air Flight 655 on 3 July 1988 over the Strait of Hormuz in the Persian Gulf murdering all the crew and passengers, the US, who originally pointed the finger at Iran, shifted against Gadhafi and Libya for the Lockerbie bombing and even named the suspects they wanted to try.

After years of sanctions and with the intervention of Nelson Mandela, the Libyan leader allowed the two suspects to be released to Scottish custody, tried in the ‘neutral’ Netherlands in 2000. One suspect was freed but Libyan agent Abdelbaset Al-Megrahi was convicted in 2001 on the most doubtful uncorroborated ‘recollection’, 12 years earlier, of the Maltese tailor Tony Gauci who allegedly identified Megrahi buying (in Malta) the clothes allegedly used to conceal the bomb.

So flimsy was this evidence that even many parents and relatives of the victims did not believe Megrahi was the culprit (Ref. Robert Fisk & Mrs Irvine whose brother, Bill Cadman, was killed in the crash).
On 15th Oct 08, the High Court gave Megrahi leave of appeal to the Criminal Appeal Court against his conviction on the ground that a miscarriage of justice may have occurred. This appeal, which would have exculpated Magrahi, was never to be heard in 2009 because Megrahi (who is still alive) was, in the meantime, released on compassionate ground because he was terminally ill with prostate cancer.

This saved the justice system a lot of embarrassment and the authorities would have had to look for other suspects. Parallel with Megrahi’s release, British Petroleum had clinched a deal worth billions of dollars to explore oil in Libya, while Gadhafi and the US had become new friends. Gadhafi also benefited many other juicy deals for him and his regime, including a Chair on the United Nations Human Rights Council, which includes the US, the greatest human rights violator of all – how vulgar!

Now, the US want Libya out without stating on what ground Gadhafi’s Libya was admitted in the first place. Surely, if the tyrant Gadhafi is toppled, why should Libya be removed from the HRC? On the contrary Libya should remain as the people are fighting for their rights.

Gadhafi blames Bin Laden and Al Qaeda

Surely, the terror friendship between Gadhafi and US was not destined to last. The Libyan people opted to throw out the pro-US, tyrannical and oppressive Gadhafi regime where no political parties are allowed. The European West never campaigned for the freedom of the Libyans. They armed the regime to repress the people. The same arms, tanks, fighter planes and so on, are being used to murder protesting Libyans in the thousands like Palestinians are murdered by the European Israelis against whom no sanctions have ever been enforced.

To legitimise such genocide, Muammar Gadhafi made out he was fighting Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda just like the US did when they put the blame of the 9/11 sophisticated military-precision attacks on the non-existent organisation. Gadhafi has clearly been well-trained by his masters. In a twist in the whole affair, Gadaffi’s Justice Minister Mustafa Abdel-Jalil now speaks out against Gadhafi alleging that he had ordered the Pam Am Flight 103 bombing over Lockerbie in a clear European Western strategy to promote him as Gadhafi’s successor.

Stealing assets of the Libyan people

When US President Obama says « By any measure, Muammar Gadhafi’s government has violated international norms and common decency and must be held accountable », he fails to mention Israel and fails to point out that Gadhafi is his agent, bearing in mind that any sanctions will affect the people and not the Libyan regime. Similarly, when Switzerland, Germany, the US and other European countries freeze Gadhafi’s assets, they are effectively stealing the assets of the Libyan people like they did for Iran when the Shah was toppled.

They will subsequently use those illegally frozen assets as a bargaining chip with any new government. This is one aspect which clearly demonstrates how they use the capitalist system and globalisation to subjugate countries. When people denounce capitalism, they are branded as anarchists. The Gadhafi’s story is not over yet? At the same time, people should also ask themselves why the West Europeans have gone so quiet on Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe. Why not freeze his assets too? How about freezing the assets of the Saudi dictators and tyrants?

M Rafic Soormally London 26 February 2011

http://mylogicoftruth.wordpress.com/2011/02/27/al-qaeda-in-north-africa-tied-to-sarkozy-and-netanyahu/
Title: War porn is back in Libya
Post by: laconas on March 02, 2011, 01:51:25 AM


War porn is back in Libya
Mar 3, 2011
By Pepe Escobar

Forget "democracy"; Libya, unlike Egypt and Tunisia, is an oil power. Many a plush office of United States and European elites will be salivating at the prospect of taking advantage of a small window of opportunity afforded by the anti-Muammar Gaddafi revolution to establish - or expand - a beachhead. There's all that oil, of course. There's also the allure, close by, of the US$10 billion, 4,128 kilometer long Trans-Saharan gas pipeline from Nigeria to Algeria, expected to be online in 2015.

Thus the world, once again, is reintroduced to war porn, history as farce, a bad rerun of "shock and awe". Everyone - the United Nations, the US, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) - is up in arms about a no-fly zone. Special forces are on the move, as are US warships.

Breathless US senators compare Libya with Yugoslavia. Tony

 
"The Return of the Living Dead" Blair is back in missionary zeal form, its mirror image played by British Prime Minister David Cameron, duly mocked by Gaddafi's son, the "modernizer" Saif al-Islam. There's fear of "chemical weapons". Welcome back to humanitarian imperialism - on crack.

And like a character straight out of Scary Movie, even war-on-Iraq-architect Paul Wolfowitz wants a NATO-enforced no-fly zone, as the Foreign Policy Initiative - the son of the Project for the New American Century - publishes an open letter to US President Barack Obama demanding military boots to turn Libya into a protectorate ruled by NATO in the name of the "international community".

The mere fact that all these people are supporting the Libya protesters makes it all stink to - over the rainbow - high heavens. Sending His Awesomeness Charlie Sheen to whack Gaddafi would seem more believable.

It was up to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov to introduce a note of sanity, describing the notion of a no-fly zone over Libya as "superfluous". This means in practice a Russian veto at the UN Security Council. Earlier, China had already changed the conversation.

In their Sheen-style hysteria - with US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton desperately offering "any kind of assistance" - Western politicians did not bother to consult with the people who are risking their lives to overthrow Gaddafi. At a press conference in Benghazi, the spokesman for the brand new Libyan National Transitional Council, human-rights lawyer Abdel-Hafidh Ghoga, was blunt, "We are against any foreign intervention or military intervention in our internal affairs ... This revolution will be completed by our people."

The people in question, by the way, are protecting Libya's oil industry, and even loading supertankers destined to Europe and China. The people in question do not have much to do with opportunists such as former Gaddafi-appointed justice minister Mustafa Abdel-Jalil, who wants a provisional government to prepare for elections in three months. Moreover, the people in question, as al-Jazeera has reported, have been saying they don't want foreign intervention for a week now.

The Benghazi council prefers to describe itself as the "political face for the revolution", organizing civic affairs, and not established as an interim government. Meanwhile, a military committee of officer defectors is trying to set up a skeleton army to be sent to Tripoli; through tribal contacts, they seem to have already infiltrated small cells into the vicinity of Tripoli.

Whether this self-appointed revolutionary leadership - splinter elements of the established elite, the tribes and the army - will be the face of a new regime, or whether they will be overtaken by younger, more radical activists, remains to be seen.

Shower me with hypocrisy


None of this anyway has placated the hysterical Western narrative, according to which there are only two options for Libya; to become a failed state or the next al-Qaeda haven. How ironic. Up to 2008, Libya was dismissed by Washington as a rogue state and an unofficial member of the "axis of evil" that originally included Iraq, Iran and North Korea.

As former NATO supreme commander Wesley Clark confirmed years ago, Libya was on the Pentagon/neo-conservative official list to be taken out after Iraq, along with Somalia, Sudan, Lebanon, Syria and the holy grail, Iran. But as soon as wily Gaddafi became an official partner in the "war on terror", Libya was instantly upgraded by the George W Bush administration to civilized status.

As for the UN Security Council unanimously deciding to refer the Gaddafi regime to the International Criminal Court (ICC), it's useful to remember that the ICC was created in mid-1998 by 148 countries meeting in Rome. The final vote was 120 to seven. The seven that voted against the ICC were China, Iraq, Israel, Qatar and Yemen, plus Libya and ... the United States. Incidentally, Israel killed more Palestinian civilians in two weeks around new year 2008 than Gaddafi these past two weeks.

This tsunami of hypocrisy inevitably raises the question; what does the West know about the Arab world anyway? Recently the executive board of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) praised a certain northern African country for its "ambitious reform agenda" and its "strong macroeconomic performance and the progress on enhancing the role of the private sector". The country was Libya. The IMF had only forgotten to talk to the main actors: the Libyan people.

And what to make of Anthony Giddens - the guru behind Blair's "Third Way" - who in March 2007 penned an article to The Guardian saying "Libya is not especially repressive" and "Gaddafi seems genuinely popular"? Giddens bet that Libya "in two or three decades' time would be a Norway of North Africa: prosperous, egalitarian and forward-looking". Tripoli may well be on its way to Oslo - but without the Gaddafi clan.

The US, Britain and France are so awkwardly maneuvering for best post-Gaddafi positioning it's almost comical to watch. Beijing, even against its will, waited until extra time to condemn Gaddafi at the UN, but made sure it was following the lead of African and Asian countries (smart move, as in "we listen to the voices of the South"). Beijing is extremely worried that its complex economic relationship with oil source Libya does not unravel (amid all the hoopla about fleeing expats, China quietly evacuated no less than 30,000 Chinese workers in the oil and construction business).

Once again; it's the oil, stupid. A crucial strategic factor for Washington is that post-Gaddafi Libya may represent a bonanza for US Big Oil - which for the moment has been kept away from Libya. Under this perspective, Libya may be considered as yet one more battleground between the US and China. But while China goes for energy and business deals in Africa, the US bets on its forces in AFRICOM as well as NATO advancing "military cooperation" with the African Union.

The anti-Gaddafi movement must remain on maximum alert. It's fair to argue the absolute majority of Libyans are using all their resourcefulness and are wiling to undergo any sacrifice to build a united, transparent and democratic country. And they will do it on their own. They may accept humanitarian help. As for war porn, throw it in the dustbin of history.

Pepe Escobar is the author of Globalistan: How the Globalized World is Dissolving into Liquid War (Nimble Books, 2007) and Red Zone Blues: a snapshot of Baghdad during the surge. His new book, just out, is Obama does Globalistan (Nimble Books, 2009).

He may be reached at pepeasia@yahoo.com.



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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MC03Ak03.html


Title: Re: War porn is back in Libya
Post by: laconas on March 02, 2011, 02:16:32 AM

Russia has already started exposing the lies. And there's no doubt that if any USMarine or paid merc working for the Jews is killed or captured in Libya, Russia will make sure the whole world knows. It's starting to look like the Jews might lose this one. If they launch a full invasion to throw Qaddafi out and just grab the oil, they'll lose the momentum in their so called popular democratic revolutions since there will be no doubt who is behind them. A stretched out civil war will give Qaddafi enough time to negotiate with Russia, and especially China.


Airstrikes in Libya did not take place - Russian military

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TncgsS0FDWg
Title: Re: Report: US Special Forces Arrive In Libya
Post by: wag on March 02, 2011, 08:48:24 AM
(http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/LibyaBlogOutsde.jpg)

In 9-11 they duped us with fake video.  With the Arab revolts, I wonder if they are duping us with fake photos.  Nearly every one of the crowd photos I have seen could be photoshops.  Look at this girl, standing at the ledge like that with a strong wind at her back.  Nah.
Title: Re: Report: US Special Forces Arrive In Libya
Post by: laconas on March 02, 2011, 08:54:43 AM

The thing on her head isn't blowing in the wind either.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: OldTimes on March 02, 2011, 09:48:32 AM
Appears to be yet another photoshop.

I don't think so, but I do believe that all these reports of Gaddafi firing on the Libyan people, airstrikes, and huge unrest in Libya are bogus.  'Al Qaeda' (i.e. Israelis) in Libya are no doubt playing a part, and they're trying to make Gaddafi look as evil as possible to Libyans and the rest of the world.  The media report about Gaddafi being behind Lockerbie was probably pre-empting any damaging statements Gaddafi might make against the Israelis at this point.

I doubt USrael expects success in destabilizing every country on their list, but it seems clear the move has been made.  It also seems to me the rest of the jews are catching-up and on board with this move made by their directorate, with a more and more favorable reaction to "freedom-fighting" middle-easterners overthrowing their evil tyrannical govts.

I expect war and possibly starvation to be hitting the middle east within a year.  The solution part of the dialectic will be allowing Western banking system & govt into that part of the world.  By the time this is over, the people will be begging for it, and it'll be forced on them anyway.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 02, 2011, 09:50:01 AM
Appears to be yet another photoshop.  The raised arms aren't matching up with the heads/bodies.  And what's the one in the middle standing on?

Appearances can be deceiving... especially when you want to see what you want to see. You're critical faculties are far more suspect than that photograph.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 02, 2011, 09:53:22 AM
Canadian warship sails towards Libya

Wed Mar 2, 2011 4:44PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167870.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167870.html)

A Canadian warship is to sail off to join an International flotilla assembling off Libya without a specific mission mentioned for the deployment that will likely bolster a major US naval force already destined to the area.

The 134-meter frigate is carrying 225 sailors and a Sea King helicopter on its deck. It is to leave Halifax harbor and begin a seven-day journey to troubled Libya, AFP reported.

The warship HMCS Charlottetown will conduct undefined operations that reportedly may include possible evacuation assistance as pro-democracy protesters close-in on capital city of Tripoli to force the ouster of Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi.

Meanwhile, two US warships bound for the Mediterranean have entered Egypt's Suez Canal.

The USS Kear-sarge and the USS Ponce are carrying hundreds of marines, a fleet of helicopters and military equipment.

This comes as speculations escalate about a possible foreign military intervention in Libya.

Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper told the parliament that it would participate in international evacuation operations “in light of the troubled and likely ongoing concerns in the region.”

Brutal crackdown by Muammar Gaddafi's regime on pro-democracy protesters has left thousands of people dead, and many more injured so far.

Thousands of Libyan citizens have been fleeing to Egypt, Tunisia and some European countries such as Italy.

Gaddafi has vowed to stay in power despite the fact that most of the country, except for capital Tripoli, has come under the control of anti-government forces as the former justice minister has already formed a transitional government.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Sue on March 02, 2011, 10:06:10 AM
Good thing I checked, this report is from YAHOO

PM says warship being sent to Libya"
NATO and United States, their plates are pretty full right now."


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  By Murray Brewster | The Canadian Press – Tue, 1 Mar, 2011 11:55 PM EST (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/cdn-military-transport-aborts-oil-workers-rescue-refused-20110301-110129-345.html)

OTTAWA - A Canadian frigate will sail into the unknown Wednesday, joining an international flotilla that's assembling off Libya with a hazy mandate that could include delivering relief, rescuing people or possible military action. The deployment, announced in the House of Commons on Tuesday by the Harper government, will bolster a naval force expected to include the American aircraft carrier USS Enterprise and the USS Kearsarge, an amphibious assault ship with more than 700 marines aboard.

The Halifax-based frigate HMCS Charlottetown, along with its Sea King helicopter, will take about a week to reach the Mediterranean and is expected to conduct as-yet-undefined humanitarian relief operations as well as assist in evacuations, said Defence Minister Peter MacKay. But he acknowledged that by the time the frigate arrives its mission could change to enforcement of United Nations sanctions — or more.

"If sanctions deal with certain blockades and certain military going into the region, we are there for all inevitabilities," MacKay said. "NATO is looking at this as well. We have other countries that have ships in the region as well. So this is taken as a precautionary and staged measure." The British have used one of their frigates — HMS Cumberland — to evacuate its citizens from the port city of Benghazi. The destroyer HMS York is also on the way to the region.

Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff said direct military intervention in Libya should be a last resort for western powers.

"You take it day-by-day, but to repeat what I've said: nobody in their right mind goes into a civil war unless it's absolutely necessary and people are being massacred in large numbers and there's no other way to stop it," he said. "I've made it clear Canada should be part of the solution here and the dispatch of a frigate is a good first step."

NATO has already made it clear that any military action, including a possible no-fly zone to keep the Libyan military from firing on its own people, would have to be approved by the UN Security Council. Libya, ruled for four decades by Moammar Gadhafi's iron fist, is fracturing along tribal and culture lines and any foreign military intervention has the potential to quickly turn into a nightmare, said an American defense expert.

"I can see two problems: You've got the government falling part but then there is the question of whether this a legitimate political entity," said Thomas X. Hammes, a retired U.S. marine colonel, who specializes in counter-insurgency warfare. He said the British suggestion of arming opposition groups — or even humanitarian intervention and supply drops — is premature because intelligence on the north African country is so poor. Libya only recently rejoined the international community after decades as a pariah.

"Civil wars have a tendency to be the messiest kind of war and getting in the middle of one without really a good idea of what you're doing cannot turn out that well, usually," said Hammes, a senior fellow at the Washington-based National Defense University.

"NATO and United States, their plates are pretty full right now." News of the frigate deployment came on the same day as a Canadian military Hercules transport, en route to pick up stranded oil workers, was turned back from Libya. A spokesman for the Ottawa-based overseas headquarters confirmed an air force C-130J Hercules was waved off its mission on Tuesday about half way between Malta and the troubled north African nation.

The transport was headed into Tripoli. "The reason for the denial is apparently due to a shortage of ramp space at Tripoli International Airport," said Maj. Andre Salloum, spokesman for Canadian Forces Expeditionary Command. It's the latest in a string of setbacks for the Canadian evacuation effort. A Canadian C-17 military transport was last week denied landing rights in Libya and sat on the tarmac in Rome before beginning flights over the weekend.

And at least two civilian aircraft chartered by the Foreign Affairs Department left the chaotic north African country with no passengers. The empty Hercules, one of the newer models purchased by the Conservative government, has returned to Malta where the air force has stationed one other C-130 and one giant C-17 transport plane.

Salloum said another flight is scheduled for Wednesday. A military reconnaissance team and combat medics are also in Malta, evaluating what else the military can deploy to aid in the evacuations. It's not clear what company employed the oil workers the Hercules was trying to evacuate. The federal government said Tuesday close to 300 citizens have been plucked from the midst of the crisis. Many of them have been evacuated on foreign aircraft and ships.

Ottawa closed its embassy in Tripoli a few days ago and has set up a satellite diplomatic post in Malta. A senior federal government official confirmed Tuesday that Ottawa has succeeded in freezing $2.3 billion worth of Libyan assets in Canada.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper was on the telephone Tuesday with his counterpart in Malta, Lawrence Gonzi, and thanked him for hosting Canadian Forces. A spokesman for the prime minister, Dimitri Soudas, said the two leaders also talked about the need to further deter violence by the Libyan regime against its own citizens.

Foreign Affairs Lawrence Cannon told the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva that the world must focus on the unfolding "humanitarian crisis" and said Canada was willing to provide assistance. But he didn't say what form that assistance would take. Calgary-based Suncor Energy has the biggest Canadian commercial presence in Libya, but said a statement last week that most of its expatriate staff and their families had left the country.

Pure Technologies, also based in Calgary, is said to be organizing to get its staff to safety.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: OldTimes on March 02, 2011, 10:30:35 AM
PM says warship being sent to Libya"
NATO and United States, their plates are pretty full right now."

Fidel Castro spoke out recently, thinks that NATO will be the ones to invade Libya.

Fidel Castro says NATO plans invasion of Libya

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2011-02-22-castro-libya-invasion_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2011-02-22-castro-libya-invasion_N.htm)

HAVANA (AP) — Cuba's former leader Fidel Castro said Tuesday that unrest in Libya may be a pretext for a NATO invasion. Nicaragua's Daniel Ortega has jumped to the support of the embattled leader of the North African nation, saying he telephoned to express solidarity.

(http://i.usatoday.net/news/_photos/2011/02/22/fidelx.jpg)
Cuba's Fidel Castro met last week with a group of Cuban and foreign intellectuals who attended Havana's International Book Fair. Castro says Libya may be invaded by NATO troops.

The protests sweeping across Libya have created challenges for the Latin American allies of Moammar Gadhafi.

Leftist governments in the Americas have long embraced him as a fellow fighter against U.S. influence in the world. Gadhafi has responded over the years by awarding the Moammar Gadhafi International Human Rights Prize to Castro and Ortega, as well as to Presidents Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, Evo Morales of Bolivia.

His relations with Chavez are so warm that rumors that he was headed to Venezuela swept the world on Monday. Gadhafi took to television late Monday to deny them.

Ortega said he had kept in communication with Gadhafi and expressed solidarity due to the "moments of tension" Libya is experiencing. State radio carried excerpts of his remarks on Tuesday.

"There is looting of businesses now, there is destruction. That is terrible," Ortega said during a commemoration Monday of Nicaraguan hero Augusto Cesar Sandino. He said he told Gadhafi that "difficult moments put loyalty to the test."

Ortega said he had also ordered Nicaragua's security forces not to repress protesters, though he did not say Gadhafi had done so.

Protesters emboldened by the fall of pro-Western strongmen in Egypt and Tunisia have taken to the streets of Libya, where they were confronted by Libya's security forces. Human rights groups say that more than 200 people have died and witnesses said bodies were left in the streets of Libya's capital on Tuesday.

Gadhafi appeared on television vowing to fight on to his "last drop of blood" and roared at his supporters to go after opponents and "attack them in their lairs."

European governments and U.S. leaders have denounced the crackdown, but Castro used a column published Tuesday by Cuban state news media to say it was too early to criticize Gadhafi.

"You can agree or not with Gadhafi," Castro said. "The world has been invaded by all sorts of news ... We have to wait the necessary time to know with rigor how much is fact or lie."

But he did urge protests of something he says is planned: A U.S.-led invasion of the North African nation aimed at controlling its oil.

"The government of the United States is not concerned at all about peace in Libya and it will not hesitate to give NATO the order to invade that rich country, perhaps in a question of hours or very short days," Castro wrote.

"An honest person will always be against any injustice committed against any people in the world," Castro said. "And the worst of those at this instant would be to keep silent before the crime that NATO is preparing to commit against the Libyan people."

Chavez himself has said nothing publicly about the disturbances in Libya, though his Foreign Minister Nicolas Maduro issued a statement on Monday saying he had spoken with his Libyan counterpart by telephone to express hopes Libya can find "a peaceful solution to its difficulties ... without the intervention of imperialism, whose interests in the region have been affected in recent times."

Morales also has said nothing.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: wag on March 02, 2011, 10:47:29 AM
Appearances can be deceiving... especially when you want to see what you want to see. You're critical faculties are far more suspect than that photograph.


The elevated man in the middle has a smiling look-alike just outside his right knee.  That look-alike's right arm is photoshopped in.  Also the case with the boy at the bottom of photo on the other side.  Both those arms are a bit off in position and proportion.  The question is, is this whole thing nothing but a photoshop revolution?  And if so, is the purpose to fool stupid Americans into waging another jew war?   
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Sue on March 02, 2011, 06:33:19 PM

The elevated man in the middle has a smiling look-alike just outside his right knee.  That look-alike's right arm is photoshopped in.  Also the case with the boy at the bottom of photo on the other side.  Both those arms are a bit off in position and proportion.  The question is, is this whole thing nothing but a photoshop revolution?  And if so, is the purpose to fool stupid Americans into waging another jew war?   

Check this out. http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php/topic,20477.0/topicseen.html
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: wag on March 02, 2011, 06:51:31 PM
Check this out. http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php/topic,20477.0/topicseen.html

That's good info, but it doesn't lead us anywhere else.  Which way is the shining path?
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 02, 2011, 08:01:24 PM
Fighter jet targets protesters in E Libya

Wed Mar 2, 2011 9:54PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167909.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167909.html)

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A Libyan fighter jet (file photo)

Forces loyal to Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi have reportedly used a fighter jet to pound positions belonging to opposition forces in the eastern town of Brega.

Two missiles fired from the aircraft landed a few meters from a square where anti-government protesters were celebrating their victory over Gaddafi loyalists.

Another fighter jet had earlier launched airstrikes on an arms depot in Ajdabiya, 40 kilometers from Brega.

No casualties have been reported. However, at least 10 people were killed during clashes between pro-government and opposition forces on Wednesday.

Meanwhile, the anti-government forces in Brega claim they have repelled attacks and managed to liberate an oil terminal that had fallen under control of Gaddafi forces. But a Libyan official in Tripoli has denied any attempts by pro-Gaddafi forces to retake control of eastern cities.

The Gaddafi regime has lost control of several main cities in the east and the west of Libya since the outset of the popular uprising in the country.

Reports by human rights groups say over 6,000 people have so far been killed in the government's harsh crackdown on protesters.

This prompted the UN General Assembly on Tuesday to suspend Libya's permanent membership in the Human Rights Council due to "crimes against humanity" committed by the despotic regime of Gaddafi, who has vowed to resist popular calls for his ouster.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has warned that the situation in crisis-hit Libya could lead to a civil war if Gaddafi does not step down.

The warning comes as the United States and Canada have sent warships to Libyan waters, raising the speculations about a military action against Gaddafi's regime.

This is while Russia has voiced opposition against any deployment of foreign forces to Libya.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 02, 2011, 08:12:51 PM
Gaddafi warns of 'bloodbath' in Libya

Thu Mar 3, 2011 3:22AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167934.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167934.html)

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Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi

Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi has warned of a "bloodbath" and a "very long war" in the country if the West decides to take direct military action against his regime.

"If the Americans or the West want to enter Libya they must know it will be hell and a bloodbath worse than Iraq," Gaddafi as said in a live address on the state television on Wednesday.

The Libyan ruler said it is not “at all in their interest to shake the Libyan regime.”

Gaddafi's comments come at a time when the West is contemplating military intervention against the Libyan regime. The UN is considering implementing a no-fly zone over Libya to prevent Gaddafi forces from carrying out aerial operations against protesters.

Meanwhile, the Arab League has voiced its opposition against any direct foreign military intervention in Libya.

"The Arab countries cannot remain with their arms folded when the blood of the brotherly Libyan people is being shed,” the 22-member group said in a resolution on Wednesday.

The issue of military measure against Libya has exposed divisions among Western countries. French foreign minister Allain Jupe has said no operation can be performed without a clear UN mandate.

This is while British Prime Minister David Cameron has said a military intervention in Libya does not need a UN resolution.

Meanwhile, Venezuela has condemned the “warmongering mobilization of US forces in the Mediterranean.”

LW - this statement is a deception, plain and simple... a pretense that the country is under threat by foreign forces IF the revolution continues. Gaddafi is hoping and praying for just that to happen in order to quell the people. If the US goes in then they will be going after the demonstrators, NOT Gaddafi.  The people know full well that he a US/Zionist puppet and will rightfully view such an intervention as a last ditch effort by foreigners to ensure that he (or  whichever puppet has been selected) will take continue in power and resist... which will be all the excuse the US/Zionists will need to crush the people and their aspiration for true national sovereignty.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: OldTimes on March 02, 2011, 09:05:24 PM
LW - this statement is a deception, plain and simple... a pretense that the country is under threat by foreign forces IF the revolution continues. Gaddafi is hoping and praying for just that to happen in order to quell the people. If the US goes in then they will be going after the demonstrators, NOT Gaddafi.  The people know full well that he a US/Zionist puppet and will rightfully view such an intervention as a last ditch effort by foreigners to ensure that he (or  whichever puppet has been selected) will take continue in power and resist... which will be all the excuse the US/Zionists will need to crush the people and their aspiration for true national sovereignty.

I don't think Gaddafi's a puppet.  He's been cooperating and making deals with Western powers lately, but not under their thumb.

How would the Americans explain that they are reopening the Lockerbie case and fighting to uphold order in Libya (Gaddafi's administration) at the same time?  The media is certainly not treating the uprising in Libya with hostility.  If anything, they are critical of the Gaddafi regime instead.

I suspect that if NATO or US forces go into Libya, we'll be told that it is to protect the demonstrators from the evil & violent attacks from Gaddafi's henchmen.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Spahi on March 02, 2011, 09:18:07 PM
I don't think Gaddafi's a puppet.  He's been cooperating and making deals with Western powers lately, but not under their thumb.

How would the Americans explain that they are reopening the Lockerbie case and fighting to uphold order in Libya (Gaddafi's administration) at the same time?  The media is certainly not treating the uprising in Libya with hostility.  If anything, they are critical of the Gaddafi regime instead.

I suspect that if NATO or US forces go into Libya, we'll be told that it is to protect the demonstrators from the evil & violent attacks from Gaddafi's henchmen.

The 'reopening of the Lockerbie case' is about the most half-assed casus belli I've ever seen...next to imaginary WMDs. I can't believe they would even try to bring that up.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: OldTimes on March 02, 2011, 09:53:06 PM
The 'reopening of the Lockerbie case' is about the most half-assed casus belli I've ever seen...next to imaginary WMDs. I can't believe they would even try to bring that up.

Well, it's been brought up - probably just to preempt Gaddafi in case he decides to spill the beans on that at this juncture.  Of course they won't actually re-open the case but it fits into the pattern we're seeing in the media painting Gaddafi as one bad evil person.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 02, 2011, 10:06:38 PM
I don't think Gaddafi's a puppet.  He's been cooperating and making deals with Western powers lately, but not under their thumb.

They are paying lip service to the idea that he is a 'bad guy'. They broke him a long time ago. Bringing up Lockerbie (which was cia/mossad operation) is meant to prove to the world that he is the 'enemy'. They want to invade before the people take back their power and are going to do exactly that on the pretense mentioned above... but in fact they will attack the revolutionaries who know full well who the US works for. Saddam was demonized and guess who paid? It's rather doubtful that he was even hung.

The US loves dictators. It gives them an excuse to invade, murder, kill and steal.

They won't support him overtly and may even pretend to hang him if they ever make it to Tripoli. But regardless they'll install another puppet in his stead. But let's set that issue aside and let me say unequivocally that if the people in North America permit another invasion on such specious grounds as 'humanitarian aid' then the people here are culpable and the blood of Libyan revolutionaries will be added to the debts of blood that are already hanging over the West.

Where is the outrage America? I am disgusted by the sheep and can take no pride in my fellow countryman who seem to favor imperialism contrary to our so-called ideals. In fact I am sickened and ashamed by the general cowardice and ignorance of a population that is actually armed as opposed to those who have had 6000 of their number die with little more than rocks with which to fight with.

But let's just kick semantics around and pretend it's just fine to say nothing while jews and psychopaths use our money and waste our youth for no purpose whatsoever but to destroy the lives and nations outside our borders. As long as the price of gas doesn't get too high.

For evil to triumph all it takes is for good men to do nothing. It seems good men are no longer amongst us. That evil will come home to roost soon enough. And it will be deserved.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 02, 2011, 10:08:53 PM
US prepares to launch Libya attack

Wed Mar 2, 2011 3:20PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167861.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167861.html)

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US moves naval forces towards Libya.

Latest media reports suggest that the United States and its allies may be preparing the ground for a military intervention in Libya.

The US Senate has unanimously passed a resolution calling for a no-fly zone over Libya.

The US Senate Armed Services Committee said all options, including the military option, should be on the table.

Earlier, the US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said Washington is looking at a full range of options for Libya.

Meanwhile, the US dailies, New York Times and Washington Post said the dissident leaders in the Libyan city of Benghazi have been debating about making a request for foreign air strikes against Gaddafi forces.

The report said the dissident leaders are growing frustrated over Gaddafi's iron grip on power.

Moreover, two US warships bound for the Mediterranean have entered Egypt's Suez Canal.

The USS Kear-sarge and the USS Ponce are carrying hundreds of marines, a fleet of helicopters and military equipment.

This comes as speculations escalate about a possible foreign military intervention in Libya.

Many observers believe that the US is concerned about the safety of Libya's oil reserves and not the country's people.

Libya holds the largest proven oil reserves in North Africa.

Meanwhile, the Israeli regime has reportedly authorized a security firm to send mercenaries to Libya to crush anti-government protesters there.

A journalist from Israeli daily Yediot Ahronot states that Tel Aviv has decided to recruit African mercenaries to fight against anti-government protesters in Libya.

The journalist says the director of the security firm was allowed to provide Libya's intelligence agency with the mercenaries.

Israel Zef, has reportedly met with Abdullah Assinousi, one of the leaders in Libya's intelligence agency.

Reports also indicate that the company has recruited 500,000 African mercenaries, charging the Libyan regime 200 dollars per day for each mercenary.

The revelation comes a few days after the United States demanded immunity for the foreign mercenaries in the International Criminal Court.

The forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi are struggling to prevent the protesters from taking the fight to Tripoli, where the ruler is holed up.

Libyan Human Rights League has said that a brutal crackdown by the regime on opposition protests that began nearly two weeks ago has left an estimated 6,000 people dead so far.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 02, 2011, 10:15:50 PM
Gaddafi men defeated in oil town Brega

Thu Mar 3, 2011 7:11AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167952.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167952.html)

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Pro-democracy protesters celebrate on the road to Brega in east Libya.

(Libyan revolutionaries) Pro-democracy fighters controlling the eastern town of Brega in Libya have repelled an assault by the forces loyal to embattled ruler Muammar Gaddafi.

Well-armed Gaddafi forces arrived in large numbers, and at one stage appeared to hold the upper hand, however, they were later forced to retreat, the state-fund BBC reported on Thursday.

Brega is an oil hub of Libya. Libya is Africa's major oil producer and one of Europe's biggest North African oil suppliers.

It has been the first major attack on the town by Gaddafi's troops since the uprising began.

According to medics, at least 14 people were killed and many others wounded during the fighting. The number of the casualties on the part of the pro-Gaddafi forces in not announced.

Earlier, forces loyal to Gaddafi used a fighter jet to pound positions belonging to opposition forces in Brega.

Two missiles fired from the aircraft landed a few meters from a square where pro-democracy protesters were celebrating their victory over Gaddafi loyalists in an earlier assault.

Another fighter jet earlier launched airstrikes on an arms' depot in Ajdabiya, some 40 kilometers from Brega.

Gaddafi lost control of several main cities in the east and the west of Libya following the popular uprising in the North African nation.

Reports by human rights groups say over 6,000 people have so far been killed in the government's harsh crackdown on protesters.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Chauncey G on March 03, 2011, 07:40:59 AM
Dutch helicopter crew taken prisoner in Libya

Three Dutch soldiers have been captured by pro-Gaddafi forces in Libya following a failed evacuation operation. A helicopter flew from the Dutch frigate HNLMS Tromp to the Libyan city of Sirte to pick up two evacuees, but when it landed the three-man crew was seized by an armed group loyal to the Libyan government.

The incident occurred towards the end of the day on Sunday but was kept quiet until now for security reasons.

Diplomacy
The two would-be evacuees, a Dutch man and another European of unspecified nationality, were handed over to the Dutch embassy and have since left the country.

Dutch Defence Ministry spokesman Otto Beeksma told Radio Netherlands Worldwide that intensive diplomatic negotiations are still taking place to free the three soldiers. He added that they are doing well under the circumstances. There is contact between the ministry and the soldiers and their families are being kept up to date with developments.

Top priority
Prime Minister Mark Rutte called the situation 'terrible'. He says a deliberate decision was made to keep the capture of the soldiers secret so as to allow talks with the Libyans to take place quietly.

"Our absolute top priority is that these three soldiers reach safety. They were deployed at high personal risk. The least we can do is to do everything to ensure that if people get in trouble that they are brought to safety again."

Extra risk
Military historian Christ Klep says he was surprised by the Dutch action. The city of Sirte - the birthplace of Muammar Gaddafi - is still in the hands of the regime and not really safe for an evacuation attempt. It is also difficult to ensure the safety of the small Lynx helicopter which was used.

"It seems to suggest it may have been a diplomat, for instance, or somebody of special importance anyway. I would have thought you would want to avoid stirring things up in Libya and not attract attention to yourself. There must have been a reason they were prepared to take this extra risk. And it was a real risk because it's essentially impossible to defend one of those Lynx helicopters."

On the other hand, he can imagine the reasoning behind the choice - so as not to attract too much attention.

"Probably they had contacted the evacuees and it looked as though things were quiet enough at the time to carry out a discreet action."


http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/dutch-helicopter-crew-taken-prisoner-libya
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: wag on March 03, 2011, 07:48:13 AM
Dutch helicopter crew taken prisoner in Libya

Clear violation of airspace.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 03, 2011, 08:04:30 AM
Clear violation of airspace.

As I recall the first planes downed in the Yugoslavian 'war' were Dutch. Funny that.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 03, 2011, 08:43:09 AM
UK's role in rehabilitating Qaddafis

Thu Mar 3, 2011 1:55PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168026.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168026.html)

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David Cameron has secretly discussed with Tony Blair, the former UK premier, the situation in Libya despite bashing him in public for his links to the dictator Qaddafi.

The British Prime Minister has held consultations with former Labour premier, at least twice in the past fortnight, seeking his advice about how to convince the Libyan despot to quit, senior officials said.

This is while that Cameron, also, called on the then officials working for the ex-UK government under Tony Blair including Lord Mandelson, Baroness Symons and former defense minister Adam Ingram to refer themselves to the independent Advisory Committee on Business Appointments, which vets jobs of former ministers.

Lord Mandelson has twice met Qaddafi's son Saif, while, Baroness Symons resigned this week as an adviser to the National Economic Development Board of Libya, and Ingram works for a defense firm, which has sought contracts in Libya.

It emerged that Cameron has also consulted Blair since the former prime minister spoke to Qaddafi twice last Friday in what he claimed was a last attempt to convince Colonel Qaddafi to stop bloodshed.

Tony Blair flew to Libya in 2004, and held talks with Qaddafi inside a Bedouin tent. He lauded the despot for ending Libya's nuclear and chemical weapons program and stressed the need for new security alliances in the wake of the September 11, 2001 terror attacks on the US soil.

Blair's role in Qaddafi's international rehabilitation was particularly vital.
A previously unpublished document shows that Blair's government agreed to supply military hardware and expertise to the despotic regime.

And, there were also plans for Britain to train Libyan military officers at 'its prestigious military colleges and institutions' such as the Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst.

The SAS did train Libyan special forces and Britain approved export licenses for military kit, including rifles, ammunition and riot control equipment to Libya.

The document detailing the UK-Libya defense deal under Tony Blair summarizes a defense co-operation agreement signed by Blair and Qaddafi in the Libyan town of Sirte on May 29, 2007.

It mentions 'the conduct of joint exercises', 'training in operational planning processes, staff training, and command and control', and the 'acquisition of equipment and defense systems'.

It spells out how the SAS would train Libyan special forces, which are now keeping Qaddafi in power, and called for 'co-operation in the training of specialized military units, special forces and border security units.'

Other assistance included 'exchanges of information on current and developing military concepts, principles and best practice', as well as 'training co-operation relating to software, communications security, technology and the function of equipment and systems'.

The agreement also called for Britain to help Libya with 'defence industrial, technological and equipment matters', including 'various military vehicles, ships and offshore patrol vessels and air defense systems'.

As Tony Blair claims, the document had been designed “to contribute to the strengthening of security and stability in their two countries and the enhancement of peace and security in the Mediterranean region”.

Instead, it is now understood that sniper rifles and riot control ammunition supplied by Britain have been used to kill Libyan people.

The 2007 deal was signed three years after Blair's original 'Deal in the Desert', which brought Qaddafi in from the cold once he agreed to abandon his nuclear weapons program.

Meanwhile, the Libyan despot's son has described Blair as a 'personal family friend' of his father and said he had visited the country 'many, many times' since leaving Downing Street three years ago.

Saif al-Islam Qaddafi said the former prime minister has secured a consultancy role with a state fund that manages the country's £65 billion of oil wealth.

LW - nah... he's not a puppet...
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: GovernmentMule on March 03, 2011, 02:48:02 PM
Standing next that fucking cunt Blair could make almost anone look human. I see the shining stars of international law, liberty and justice ar making noises about Gaddaffi's crimes against humanity now.

How many dead do we have in Iraq?
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: thomaspain on March 03, 2011, 03:35:54 PM
Gaddafi warns of 'bloodbath' in Libya
Gaddafi's comments come at a time when the West is contemplating military intervention against the Libyan regime. The UN is considering implementing a no-fly zone over Libya to prevent Gaddafi forces from carrying out aerial operations against protesters.

What gives us the right to give this overt aid to the rebels? Humanitarianism?,. Should we aid striking workers in the U.S. from the forces of the political lawful authorities?

The American people forget that our politicians are merely our administrative office workers and our elected REPRESENTATIVES.


VETERAN'S CHALLENGE
I once swore an Oath
to defend the CONSTITUTION
against all its enemies
foreign and domestic.
DOMESTIC?


Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 03, 2011, 04:10:39 PM
What gives us the right to give this overt aid to the rebels? Humanitarianism?

This 'aid' won't be for the rebels. It's meant to ensure that they don't succeed. The Arab street know this full well and in all likelihood will resist such 'aid'. That will be all the excuse needed by the imperialists to put them back 'in their place' and install yet another Karzai.

Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: thomaspain on March 03, 2011, 04:18:28 PM
This 'aid' won't be for the rebels. It's meant to ensure that they don't succeed. The Arab street know this full well and in all likelihood will resist such 'aid'. That will be all the excuse needed by the imperialists to put them back 'in their place' and install yet another Karzai.



   Why is it so easy to see, but so hard for the public to understand. Could it be that we are really sheep as the Jews claim?

Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 03, 2011, 04:55:37 PM
Why is it so easy to see, but so hard for the public to understand. Could it be that we are really sheep as the Jews claim?

It seems we are. Sad to say ...and for me a disappointment beyond measure. As I have said if we the people permit yet another warmongering President to drag us into yet another war thousands of miles from our shores then it is on our heads collectively.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 03, 2011, 04:56:42 PM
Israel provides henchmen for Gaddafi

Israeli arms distribution company Global CST has reportedly, under the authorization of Tel Aviv, provided Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi with African mercenaries to clamp down on anti-government protesters.

secondary source: http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=236734 (http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=236734)

Egyptian sources have revealed that the Israeli company has so far provided Gaddafi's regime with 50,000 African mercenaries to attack the civilian anti-government protesters in Libya.

The arms company was previously convicted in an African country over illegal deals, News-Israel website reported.

Sources say Global CST had obtained the permission for providing the mercenaries to Gaddafi from the Israeli officials in advance.

Earlier, Global CST general manager had met with the head of the Israeli Intelligence Agencies (Aman) and Defense Minister Ehud Barak and obtained the permission for the measure.

The company representatives also met with Abdullah Sanusi, the head of Libyan Internal Intelligence, in Chad to discuss the details for a final agreement, the report says.

The mercenaries who attack the civilians in Tripoli have mostly come from Chad.

Gaddafi regime pays $2000 per day for each mercenary. The mercenaries receive $100 per day and the remaining goes to Global CST, the report says.

Meanwhile, the United States has demanded the UN Security Council (UNSC) to remove the provisions of charging mercenaries with war crimes in the killing of Libyan civilians.

The request is for the UNSC to word the resolution in a way that no one from an outside country that is not a member of the International Criminal Court could be prosecuted by the Court for their actions in Libya.

The Libyan revolution, inspired by the recent revolutions in Egypt and Tunisia, sparked nearly two weeks ago.

Brutal crackdown by the Libyan regime on anti-government protesters has left thousands of people dead so far.

LW - This being the case how can anyone imagine that the US would be going after Gaddafi? Have not all our discussions here pointed out just who runs the West?
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 03, 2011, 06:09:48 PM
Marines join Libyan opposition

Fri Mar 4, 2011 1:10AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168093.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168093.html)

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A Libyan anti-government protester in the eastern city of Tobruk on February 24, 2011.

A marine training group says it is joining the opposition in Libya's eastern port city of Tobruk, located more than 1,200 kilometers east of Tripoli.

"We offer condolences to the families of our martyrs, the martyrs of our beloved Libya. We announce we are joining the February 17 youth revolution. God is the greatest! Long live free Libya," Reuters quoted Colonel Abdel Nasser Ibrahim Al Senousi as saying on Wednesday.

Gaddafi has lost control over large parts of Libya during the past two weeks, as opposition forces continue to approach the Libyan capital.

Libyan opposition forces say they have repelled an assault by Gaddafi's forces in Ras Lanuf, home to another major oil terminal and situated 600 kilometers (375 miles) east of the capital Tripoli.

On Thursday, Libyan warplanes bombed al-Brega, the site of Libya's second largest petroleum facility. However, no casualties were reported.

Earlier in the day, pro-Gaddafi fighter jets launched airstrikes on an arms depot in the nearby city of Ajdabiya.

Reports by human rights groups say over 6,000 people have been killed so far in the government's harsh crackdown on anti-government protesters.

The International Criminal Court (ICC) plans to investigate the regime of embattled Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi for crimes against humanity.

ICC Prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo stated that "peaceful demonstrators" have been attacked by forces loyal Gaddafi since February 15 when the uprising began.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: wag on March 03, 2011, 06:15:59 PM
(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110304/forouhi20110304001023077.jpg)

The photo doesn't show what was being equated to the nazis -- top left.  It continues to smell fishy. 
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: pope daniel on March 03, 2011, 06:25:33 PM
Israel provides henchmen for Gaddafi

50,000 African mercenaries

damn 50,000 underpaid blacks roaming the street...libya might become like post-moorish invasion spain or sicily
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: laconas on March 03, 2011, 06:37:19 PM


Quote
A marine training group says it is joining the opposition in Libya's eastern port city of Tobruk, located more than 1,200 kilometers east of Tripoli.

"We offer condolences to the families of our martyrs, the martyrs of our beloved Libya. We announce we are joining the February 17 youth revolution. God is the greatest! Long live free Libya," Reuters quoted Colonel Abdel Nasser Ibrahim Al Senousi as saying on Wednesday.

Clever, but in our super information age it will eventually come out that CIA paid mercs are doing most of the up front fighting and training. The Russians and the Iranians are enjoying exposing the phony uprising.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 03, 2011, 06:47:07 PM

Clever, but in our super information age it will eventually come out that CIA paid mercs are doing most of the up front fighting and training. The Russians and the Iranians are enjoying exposing the phony uprising.

Still waiting for you to prove it's phony. Put up or shut up. Oh that's right... your brilliance is such we should not question your false assertions. Very talmudic of you.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: wag on March 03, 2011, 06:51:41 PM
Still waiting for you to prove it's phony. Put up or shut up. Oh that's right... your brilliance is such we should not question your false assertions. Very talmudic of you.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/03/03/libya.no.fly.zone/ (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/03/03/libya.no.fly.zone/)

Sen Lieberman wants to use US taxpayer money to fund the opposition.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 03, 2011, 07:39:35 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/03/03/libya.no.fly.zone/ (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/03/03/libya.no.fly.zone/)

Sen Lieberman wants to use US taxpayer money to fund the opposition.

Of course... it's called getting in front of the opposition. Read Lenin.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: laconas on March 03, 2011, 07:41:31 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/03/03/libya.no.fly.zone/ (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/03/03/libya.no.fly.zone/)

Sen Lieberman wants to use US taxpayer money to fund the opposition.

They don't have much time. Unless they announce very soon they're training and helping the so called opposition, rt or presstv will announce it. Presstv and rt are already dancing around it, but it won't be long before they show pictures of CIA mercs working in Libya. That should be enough to discredit the facebook and twitter revolutions. Tough choices.

Either take Libya and lose the F/T revolutions, or allow Qaddafi to remain and save the F/T revolutions. The most likely scenario at this point will be to train a young Libyan to take Qaddafi out. He has to be a Libyan, anybody else and it won't fly.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: wag on March 03, 2011, 07:46:40 PM
Of course... it's called getting in front of the opposition. Read Lenin.

Jews don't get in front of the opposition publicly, via MSM.  Jews did that over the past few year in the planning it, via agents and subtle propaganda.  I wish I could tell you what author/book to read, but maybe here is the best.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: wag on March 03, 2011, 07:55:09 PM
They don't have much time. Unless they announce very soon they're training and helping the so called opposition, rt or presstv will announce it. Presstv and rt are already dancing around it, but it won't be long before they show pictures of CIA mercs working in Libya. That should be enough to discredit the facebook and twitter revolutions. Tough choices.

Either take Libya and lose the F/T revolutions, or allow Qaddafi to remain and save the F/T revolutions. The most likely scenario at this point will be to train a young Libyan to take Qaddafi out. He has to be a Libyan, anybody else and it won't fly.

Actually I think Lieberman is just trying to appeal to the Israeli lobby that he serves.  At least there will be the same if not more billions in US taxpayer money coming their way for "security".
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: laconas on March 03, 2011, 08:23:11 PM
Actually I think Lieberman is just trying to appeal to the Israeli lobby that he serves.  At least there will be the same if not more billions in US taxpayer money coming their way for "security".

That too, but I think at the moment the most important thing for them is come out of the closet and support the so called rebels before it's announced by RT or PressTV they're backing and funding another dirty war.

Another thought. A real telling sign will be who destroys the oil installations in East Lybia. If the CIA sees it can't win, it will just blow everything up and set Qaddafi back. If Qaddafi sees a no win situation, he'll blow everything up. And the third option, if the CIA sees a no win situation, they'll blow everything up and blame Qaddafi.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 03, 2011, 08:58:07 PM
Actually I think Lieberman is just trying to appeal to the Israeli lobby that he serves.  At least there will be the same if not more billions in US taxpayer money coming their way for "security".

I rather doubt that. He established his bona fides a long, long time ago and I'm sure he's secured his place at the trough.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: laconas on March 03, 2011, 09:21:44 PM

It doesn't work for me. I tried a million times.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: wag on March 04, 2011, 04:42:52 AM
RT Win: Clinton asks for cash as US 'losing world info war'



It's a bit confusing what this is about.  I see two main possibilities:  1)  Clinton actually believes her department's "propaganda" isn't propaganda but actually the the truth; she just used a bad choice of words;  2) She understands propaganda for what it is, but wasn't thinking when she stated this publicly.  But beyond this, this also implies she believes that her problem is solved with more money, which it clearly cannot be.  A third remote possibility is that she has lost her will to serve jew interests and is poisoning their programs by making statements like this.   In any event, great stuff.  RT rocks.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Chauncey G on March 04, 2011, 08:39:08 AM
Images from Dutch helicopter on Libyan television.
It would have been interesting to have the full audio track with translation.


http://s.nos.nl/swf/embed/nos_video_embed.swf?tcmid=tcm-5-912302
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 05, 2011, 03:51:59 AM
British version of military intervention

Sat Mar 5, 2011 10:47AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168287.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168287.html)

(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110305/rasouli_amir20110305083031797.jpg)
Amid fears of Britain's new expansionist ambitions, London is apparently planning to directly intervene in Libya by giving military advice to its opposition leaders.

The disclosure comes as earlier, Defense Secretary Liam Fox wrote in an article for the Sunday Telegraph that the agitations similar to those in Libya and other countries in the Middle East and North Africa have long-term implications for British military policy.

Fox said London needs to keep a close eye on the different aspects of the developments so that it can appropriately respond to similar incidents in the future.

"The events over recent days may produce a strategic shock and change in how we view the world," he said. "The speed of events in North Africa has shown how quickly circumstances can change and how quickly the UK can be drawn in.”

Sending a diplomatic delegation capable of giving military advice to the opposition in east Libya makes it possible for the British government to gain direct access to valuable intelligence on the African country's dictator, Muammar Qaddafi, and the country's military capabilities.

Such a move in the context of Fox's remarks on London's plans to “field a force of 30,000, including maritime and air assets for a one-off intervention,” raises new questions about the real purpose of intervention in Libya.

Media reports said one of the reasons British Prime Minister David Cameron has decided to back the Libyan resistance is that the opposition is not fully tribal or Islamic and follows democratic demands that can ease the anti-western attitude in the region.

However, analysts said Fox's earlier comments and the Foreign Secretary William Hague's telephone contacts with a key military figure in the North African country questions the authenticity of the claim that Britain is to go to Libya, without arming the opposition, to help the country's democratic front.

Hague has been calling former Libyan interior minister General Abdul Fattah Younis Obaidi, believed to be leading the opposition's military operations, after he took over the military defences in Benghazi, the North African state's second largest city.

White Hall sources said the British 'task force' is to help the rebel national council in Benghazi through keeping them better informed of the diplomatic developments on the Libyan situation as the council tries to shore up the isolated rebel towns near the capital, Tripoli.

Yet Cameron's aggressive stance on the issue makes it difficult to believe the diplomatic nature of the task force's job.

Cameron has suggested a no-fly zone over Libya, while calling for regime change there without ruling out a military option.

His remarks against the backdrop of the “strategic shock” comments by Liam Fox, who likened the situation in Libya to the post-9/11 attacks, expose the expansionist overtones of sending the task force.

“The events of 9/11 produced a strategic shock, which immediately changed how we view the world. The events in North Africa over recent days may also produce a strategic shock and change in how we view the world,” he said.

Back in 200,1 when the attacks on the US targets took place, Britain also talked of taking democracy to the Middle East and helped the US in its invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.

It is now common knowledge that the bloody campaigns only left the Middle Eastern countries gripped in more violence leaving hundreds of thousands of innocent people killed.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 05, 2011, 03:57:13 AM
Maybe I am the first to spot it.  Let's see where this goes.

The only one. But whatever you do take your speculation to another thread. This one is meant to document the events into a historical context and frankly your contribution is little more than disruption... unless and until you provide some basis for your ridiculous assertion. Maybe while you are at it you can analyze the videos and come back and tell us how they photoshopped those.

But as I said... elsewhere...  on another thread. I'm not pleased you have little more to contribute to this thread anything more than this crap instead of digging deeper and reporting true facts.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 05, 2011, 04:04:26 AM
Protesters win battle near Libyan capital

Sat Mar 5, 2011 12:53PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168309.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168309.html)

Anti-regime protesters say they have repelled an attack by forces loyal to embattled Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi in Zawiyah, about 50 km west of the capital, Tripoli.

Earlier on Saturday, Gaddafi's forces attacked the city with armored vehicles and tanks, trying to retake it from protesters.

"They entered Zawiyah at six in the morning with heavy forces, hundreds of soldiers with tanks. Our people fought back ...We have won for now and civilians are gathering in the square," Reuters quoted Youssef Shagan, the anti-regime spokesman in Zawiyah as saying.

On Friday, they used heavy artillery against protesters, killing dozens.

Fierce fighting also continues between opposition groups and regime forces in several Libyan cities.

Meanwhile, armed protesters are in charge of the oil-rich city of Ras Lanuf. Ras Lanuf fell into the hands of the opposition forces after a heavy fighting, which reportedly left at least eight people dead.

In Benghazi, 27 people were killed and dozens more were wounded after the regime used warplanes to bomb a weapons depot near the city.

The protests have spread to Tripoli, which is Gaddafi's stronghold.

Clashes erupted in the city after Gaddafi's loyalists fired tear gas to disperse the demonstrators.

Meanwhile, Libya's self-declared opposition council is set to hold its first formal meeting to discuss the overthrow of Gaddafi.

The interim national council says it refuses to enter talks with the regime unless Gaddafi leaves office.

The 30-member body was established in the eastern city of Benghazi by anti-government forces following the liberation of several eastern cities.

The council, headed by Libya's former justice minister Mustafa Abdel Jalil, plans to lead the country to an election.

He was among the first high-profile Libyan figures to defect from the Gaddafi regime following the brutal crackdown on opposition protesters.

LW - as an aside it was reported yesterday by an eye witness on RBN that railcars were moving nearly a thousand amphibious landing vehicles eastward by rail on the east coast. Confirmation would be nice if anyone witnessed these shipments
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 05, 2011, 04:08:27 AM
US warships arrive in Crete

Sat Mar 5, 2011 2:12AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168238.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168238.html)

(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110305/nushi20110305010730170.jpg)
The USS Kearsarge, an amphibious assault ship

The United States Navy says two warships carrying 1,300 US Marines have arrived at a US base on the Greek island of Crete.

The move is part of a military buildup around Libya by forces from several countries.

The amphibious assault ship USS Kearsarge and the USS Ponce, carrying a total of around 4,000 personnel, including the Marines, arrived at the base on Friday, Souda Bay navy base spokesman Paul Farley said, according to an AP report.

Another 400 Marines, from the 2nd Marine Expeditionary Unit based at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina, arrived in Crete two days ago.

Over the past few days, Western powers have been discussing the possibility of imposing a no-fly zone over Libya.

On Tuesday, US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said Washington is looking at a full range of options on Libya.

However, NATO member states remain divided on whether to take military action against Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.

Late on Friday, about 100 supporters of Greece's Communist Party held a rally in the Cretan city of Hania, which is located near the base, to protest against the arrival of the US forces.

LW - just the thing needed for 'humanitarian aid'. Undoubtedly it's a hospital ship that's been photoshopped.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: wag on March 05, 2011, 05:31:02 AM
take your speculation to another thread.

You can pull them out and move them.  But it's not spam, it's a valid counter-argument.  Laconas and I, along with a spokesman for the Russian gov't, probably millions more, all believe this whole thing is largely western-media driven.  I am trying to understand why you are so trusting of western media on this.   
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Father Brown on March 05, 2011, 12:59:39 PM
The only one. But whatever you do take your speculation to another thread. This one is meant to document the events into a historical context and frankly your contribution is little more than disruption... unless and until you provide some basis for your ridiculous assertion. Maybe while you are at it you can analyze the videos and come back and tell us how they photoshopped those.

But as I said... elsewhere...  on another thread. I'm not pleased you have little more to contribute to this thread anything more than this crap instead of digging deeper and reporting true facts.

Speaking of threads, may I suggest that it may be time for a new one here? For awhile it seemed everything was getting placed into new categories. This is not a knock, I understand you are trying to create order to the board. But, this thing seems the anti-thesis of that. I'm really interested in some of the member's takes on the latest news, but this thread is getting a little long and actually makes the case that we should have no categories and maybe just one thread. In other words it is getting overwhelming. But maybe that's just me as I was not able to open it for the first time until many pages had already accumulated.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 05, 2011, 01:40:39 PM
Speaking of threads, may I suggest that it may be time for a new one here? For awhile it seemed everything was getting placed into new categories. This is not a knock, I understand you are trying to create order to the board. But, this thing seems the anti-thesis of that. I'm really interested in some of the member's takes on the latest news, but this thread is getting a little long and actually makes the case that we should have no categories and maybe just one thread. In other words it is getting overwhelming. But maybe that's just me as I was not able to open it for the first time until many pages had already accumulated.

That was why I suggested that another thread be started for the purpose of discussing the implications and assessments of these developments in the ME. For me this thread is appropriate as a historical record and I would like to keep it going for that reason.

Normally I can follow threads across the board but I am currently working many hours updating the look and layout of the new version of the software recently released by Simple Machines so for me to focus on the many is rather difficult.

An appropriate category for that sort of discussion would be under 'general discussion' and I certainly encourage any member so inclined to start a new topic there. Time permitting I'll try and keep up with that as well. Hopefully in doing so it won't fragment into a multiplicity of threads. Under the circumstances staying focused would be a much better approach.

So please, feel free to start it up since wag has not done so as far as I can tell.   :)

I did intend to shift the new thread into something like 'All hell has broken loose' should the situation escalate to the next level... which I expect will happen as soon as the imperialist interfere full force. Or it could be called "Pike's War'.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: thomaspain on March 05, 2011, 04:03:30 PM
The only one. But whatever you do take your speculation to another thread. This one is meant to document the events into a historical context and frankly your contribution is little more than disruption... unless and until you provide some basis for your ridiculous assertion. Maybe while you are at it you can analyze the videos and come back and tell us how they photoshopped those.

But as I said... elsewhere...  on another thread. I'm not pleased you have little more to contribute to this thread anything more than this crap instead of digging deeper and reporting true facts.

   I remember the good old days on LF when others like you tried to stifle the exchanges and constantly called for "sources". They didn't or wouldn't understand when we explained that we were sources. But of course we didn't follow the party line and were unreliable. Most of our comments are intended to awaken the readers and get them to start digging and thinking outside the media box. Dispute me and challenge me, but give it some independent thought in doing so.

 
Political Correctness
is
KOSHER


 
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: wag on March 05, 2011, 05:41:52 PM
Whether valid or not is not the issue. It is mere speculation until such time as you back it up with facts, which NO ONE has done yet. And I don't want this thread to become the grounds for kicking arund theories, especially kneejerk responses based on presumption.


Fact 1 - It is easy to produce a decent photoshop if you know how to do it.

Fact 2 - 9-11 was a big media op.  (How many of us saw anything really happen with our own eyes?)  People believed and still believe things that defied the laws of physics physically happened.

Fact 3 - Jews own western media.

Fact 4 - You have attacked me before in an unwarranted manor.  Remember, it was over my "one-liners".  (This is just for background.)

Fact 5 - You ask me for proof that my suspicions of western media are valid.

Fact 6 - You provide no proof that my suspicions of western media are invalid.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 05, 2011, 06:30:22 PM
Fact 1 - It is easy to produce a decent photoshop if you know how to do it.

I know how to do it. I don't deny that ...however try doing it with vids.

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Fact 2 - 9-11 was a big media op.  (How many of us saw anything really happen with our own eyes?)  People believed and still believe things that defied the laws of physics physically happened.

True enough but this is not 9-11

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Fact 3 - Jews own western media.

True also. I seldom watch western media.

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Fact 4 - You have attacked me before in an unwarranted manor.  Remember, it was over my "one-liners".  (This is just for background.)

True also. Your one-liners are usually unsustantiated assertions.

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Fact 5 - You ask me for proof that my suspicions of western media are valid.

I did? When and where?

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Fact 6 - You provide no proof that my suspicions of western media are invalid.

Why would I when I'm with you on that?
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 05, 2011, 06:40:30 PM
  I remember the good old days on LF when others like you tried to stifle the exchanges and constantly called for "sources".

With all due respect I have no desire to 'stifle' anything nor am I asking for 'sources'. But if someone or something is challenged then yes, provide backup, whatever that may be. This forum has plenty of room for such discussions but when it is obvious that a thread is intended to track events of a specific nature it seems to me to be just good manners to not bog it down in speculations that are not warranted by the evidence at hand. As I recall on LF many a thread was derailed by that sort of posting and frankly it was a source of frustration to many. It's distraction bordering on disinfo IMO.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 05, 2011, 07:08:21 PM
8 British troops captured in Libya

Sun Mar 6, 2011 2:26AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168409.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168409.html)

Eight British soldiers have been captured in eastern Libya as they escorted a senior diplomat through territory under the control of revolutionary forces.

According to a report published by The Sunday Times, the unexpected presence of a British special forces unit along with the diplomat "angered Libyan opposition figures, who ordered the soldiers to be locked up on a military base."

The Britons have reportedly been taken to Benghazi in eastern Libya. The diplomat they were protecting had wanted to contact the anti-government forces.

The British newspaper added that anti-government forces “fear Muammar Gaddafi could use any evidence of Western military interference to rally patriotic support for his regime."

On Saturday, Gaddafi said he wanted the United Nations or the African Union to investigate the anti-government protests in the country.

On the same day, pro-Gaddafi forces backed by tanks launched an assault on Zawiyah, 50 kilometers (31 miles) west of the capital Tripoli, firing heavy mortar rounds at houses and attacking a hospital.

The clashes began hours after revolutionary forces repelled an effort by government forces to retake the city.

Reports by human rights groups say over 6,000 people have been killed so far in the government's harsh crackdown on anti-government protesters.

The Libyan revolution came in the wake of the monumental events in Tunisia and Egypt, where dictators who led undemocratic and repressive regimes were driven out of power.

However, Gaddafi does not want to see the writing on the wall, and the bloody conflict in Libya drags on.

Waves of demonstrations have rocked several other Middle Eastern and North African countries in recent weeks.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 05, 2011, 10:09:49 PM
Heavy gunfire persist in Tripoli

Sun Mar 6, 2011 6:4AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168420.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168420.html)

(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110304/mazimi20110304052505107.jpg)
Libyan anti-government forces chant slogans against Muammar Gaddafi in Brega on March 3.

Sustained automatic gunfire has been reported in Libyan capital of Tripoli as tensions continue to run high in the country between forces loyal to embattled ruler Muammar Gaddafi and the revolutionary forces.

It was not immediately clear where the shots were coming from. They were heard early Sunday at a hotel not far from the capital's Green Square area, AFP reported.

Opposition forces, meanwhile, report that they have downed two aircraft belonging to the forces loyal to embattled ruler Muammar Gaddafi.

In Ras Lanuf, witnesses reported seeing a downed warplane and two dead pilots.

There are also reports that opposition forces have downed a helicopter in the city of Ben Jawad, a few kilometers away from Ras Lanuf.

Meanwhile, reports of fresh fighting have again emerged from the western city of Zawiyah. Witnesses say tanks operated by pro-Gaddafi forces have once again entered the city and began firing at people's homes.

Medical sources have raised extreme concerns that a massacre may have taken place in Zawiyah.

A few hours earlier, the opposition had repelled an attack by pro-Gaddafi forces to retake the city. At least 30 people, including women and children, have been killed in the course of the battle.

Furthermore, revolutionary forces, heading west from east of the country, have reached Sirte. The city has been held by pro-Gaddafi troops since the uprising began more than two weeks ago.

Opposition fighters are also in control of the oil-rich city of Ras Lanuf. The city fell into the hands of the opposition forces after heavy fighting that reportedly left at least eight people dead.

Meanwhile, dozens of people have been reported killed and many more wounded in Benghazi after government forces used warplanes to bomb a weapons depot near the city.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 06, 2011, 11:45:11 AM
Libyan council refuses talks with Britons

Sun Mar 6, 2011 6:34PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168558.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168558.html)


Libya's revolutionary National Council has turned down the request of a British delegation for talks as the Gaddafi regime struggles to suppress the country's popular uprising.

The council said in a Sunday statement that the British delegation was being sent back to London, adding that the members of the mission had entered the country without prior arrangement.

The British team was in Banghazi to hold talks with opposition leaders. Witnesses say their helicopter landed in Libya on Friday.

The members of the delegation were carrying weapons, maps and passports from four different countries.

Revolutionary forces had earlier said that the Britons were detained in Benghazi because their identities could not be established.

British media sources have reported that the members of Britain's Special Air Service unit -- or SAS -- have been in Benghazi on a secret diplomatic mission.

Meanwhile, troops loyal to Colonel Muammar Gaddafi keep targeting revolutionary forces to push them out of the cities they have captured.

Fighter jets of the Libyan Air Force have reportedly pounded areas in the oil-rich city of Ras Lanuf. Several casualties have been reported.

Witnesses say tanks and artillery fire have smashed into the city center in Misratah --Libya's third largest city.

Opposition forces say they have pushed back Gaddafi troops trying to retake the city, adding that they have captured several troops during the fighting in Misratah.

Revolutionary forces say they are now in full control of key towns, denying state TV reports that government forces have retaken control.

Protesters are now trying to push their way towards the capital where Gaddafi is holed up.

Reports coming from Tripoli suggest an exchange of heavy gunfire.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 07, 2011, 01:48:18 PM
Military option on table for Libya: US

Mon Mar 7, 2011 10:28PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168759.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168759.html)

(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110307/shamlou20110307221046903.jpg)
US Presidential Pretender Barack Obama

US President Barack Obama says that military option by NATO forces is among a wide range of options under consideration for Libya.

“In the meantime, we've got NATO, as we speak, consulting in Brussels around a wide range of potential options, including potential military options, in response to the violence that continues to take place inside of Libya,” Obama said after meeting with visiting Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard at the White House.

He said the Libyan ruler Colonel Muammar Gaddafi and his loyalists will be held accountable for continuing violence in the country.

"And I think Prime Minister Gillard and I both share a very firm conviction that the violence that's been taking place and perpetrated by the government in Libya is unacceptable," he said at the Oval Office.

Obama's comments come as Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has said that Moscow opposes any form of foreign and especially military intervention as a means to resolve the crisis in Libya.

Lavrov reiterated that Libyans must resolve their problems themselves.

Meanwhile, Obama said he has just authorized an additional $15 million to be provided to humanitarian organizations working in Libya.

LW - 15 million to bolster Gaddafi's mercenaries.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: OldTimes on March 07, 2011, 03:27:17 PM
LW - 15 million to bolster Gaddafi's mercenaries.

Maybe they are protecting the regime, maybe they're just protecting their interests, but I sort-of doubt they'd allow Gaddafi to continue on even as a figurehead without power.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: AngelOfLight on March 07, 2011, 03:56:14 PM
I heard Israel will be sending 50 thousand African mercs @ $200 per person a day to help the Libyan government!

I don't know how true this is.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 07, 2011, 03:58:58 PM
Maybe they are protecting the regime, maybe they're just protecting their interests, but I sort-of doubt they'd allow Gaddafi to continue on even as a figurehead without power.

Maybe, just maybe that decision should be left to the people...in Libya as well as at home.

Regardless, what ever the reasons for this largess, it is aiding and abetting war in the same manner as did Roosevelt when he committed tax payer dollars to supporting Britain well before any declaration of war. Let's now even mention Israel in that light. Anyone you know agree to it?

And when I think of it, send a dollar to an ashram in the US or anywhere in the Mideast as charity and government goons happily haul you off to jail for supporting 'terrorism'.

Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 07, 2011, 04:01:13 PM
I heard Israel will be sending 50 thousand African mercs @ $200 per person a day to help the Libyan government!

I don't know how true this is.

That that Israeli brokered scam has already been outed and the mercs were run out of the country some while ago. Look back on the thread.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Sue on March 07, 2011, 04:01:18 PM

With oil prices touching $120 a barrel and the Libyan debacle lowering its production by up to 75 per cent, the serious economic – and moral, should this interest the Western powers – question, is how long the "civilised world" can go on supporting the nation whose citizens made up almost all of the suicide killers of 9/11?

Robert Fisk:  here is another one to cross off the reading list.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: laconas on March 07, 2011, 04:10:39 PM
I heard Israel will be sending 50 thousand African mercs @ $200 per person a day to help the Libyan government!

I don't know how true this is.

If they really were, we would have never heard about it.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: thomaspain on March 07, 2011, 05:47:25 PM
Israeli newsites are also saying Qaddafi is a crypto Jew. I'm on the side that says both stories are total misdirection.

That makes sense. Since, why would they give us any intelligence unless it was false. Their arrogance must know some bounds.

Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: wag on March 07, 2011, 06:40:22 PM
That makes sense. Since, why would they give us any intelligence unless it was false. Their arrogance must know some bounds.



If you know who's a jew, then you know what's true and what's false.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: laconas on March 07, 2011, 09:15:36 PM
If you know who's a jew, then you know what's true and what's false.

Sometimes it's not between what is true and false, or they set-up two bookends and ask is it true or false between the two bookends but that truth isn't as relevant as the bigger truth. For example: while it may be true there are Jews in Africa selling Qaddafi guns and mercs, it does not  mean this is Jewish policy.

In Palestine many of the guns bought by Palestinians were sold to them by Jews. We even had an example a few months back where settlers were claiming their guns were stolen so they would be replaced gratis by the Israeli govt. This didn't mean the Jews were arming the Palestinians, but rather it meant that a few Jews were selling guns to the Palestinians. In the same way it may true that there are Jews out there selling stuff to Libya, but that doesn't mean Jews support Qaddafi.

More significant is the placement of the story on the net that Jews are selling stuff to Qaddafi. I can't remember ever seeing an article from Israeli sources ever making such an admission, even though we all know that's their #1 export product.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 07, 2011, 11:41:06 PM
I apologize for reposting it, I guess I didn't read everything in this thread as I though I did.

No apology necessary. Just pointing you to the story on yet more forces 'loyal' to Gaddafi.  :)
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 07, 2011, 11:44:07 PM
Two major Libyan oil ports closed

Tue Mar 8, 2011 6:9AM
source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168784.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168784.html)

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Revolutionary forces take cover as a bomb dropped by a Libyan air force fighter jet explodes near a checkpoint on the outskirts of the oil town of Ras Lanuf.

Ras Lanuf and Brega, two major oil ports in eastern Libya, have been closed as pro-regime forces intensify attacks on the revolutionary forces.

Embattled Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi's warplanes have launched fresh airstrikes on anti-regime positions around the port city of Ras Lanuf, Reuters reported late Monday.

Reports say at least three people have been killed in the attacks. The violence resulted in the closure of two oil ports of Ras Lanuf and Brega.

"Ras Lanuf is not operating. It's the same in Brega," an official in a shipping company in Ras Lanuf said.

The revolutionary forces have begun pulling back from Ras Lanuf and the nearby city of Ben Jawad after the regime resorted to heavy use of air attacks.

According to an anti-government official, beleaguered Gaddafi could attack oilfields like a "wounded wolf."

Meanwhile, reports say fighting erupted in the Libyan city of Zawiyah as forces loyal to the incumbent ruler launched a renewed attempt to capture the city.

Three of the revolutionary forces and over 30 pro-Gaddafi soldiers lost their lives in the clashes.

Earlier on Sunday, Gaddafi's tanks shelled the civilian population in the western city of Misratah. According to medics, at least 21 people, most of them unarmed civilians, were killed in the clashes.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 08, 2011, 06:14:03 AM
Gaddafi forces escalate airstrikes

Tue Mar 8, 2011 2:13PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168856.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168856.html)

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An anti-Gaddafi protester reacts during an air strike in Ras Lanuf March 7, 2011.

Forces loyal to the embattled Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi have launched more airstrikes on strategically important areas held by revolutionary forces.

Gaddafi warplanes dropped missiles on the residential areas in the eastern port of Ras Lanuf. There are also reports of tank fire and fierce battles between opposition forces and Gaddafi loyalists in the city of Zawiyah.

Government troops, in the mean time, surrounded the southern town of Zintan, but revolutionary forces are still in control.

Two hotels housing reporters have come under bomb attacks in Benghazi.

The liberated east of the country is now settling and moving forward despite fierce battles between revolutionary and pro-regime forces in some cities, a Press TV correspondent reported.

On the international front, Britain and France are stepping up their efforts to put in place a no-fly zone over Libya.

A UN resolution is being drafted to be debated by NATO defense ministers on Thursday.

In the meantime two members of the revolutionary leadership are to speak to the members of the European Parliament on the developments in Libya later on Tuesday.

Moreover, revolutionary council has rejected an offer from Gaddafi and his associates to negotiate an exit strategy.

"We are not negotiating with someone who spilled Libyan blood and continues to do so. Why would we trust the guy today?" Reuters quoted the council's spokesman Mustafa Gheriani as saying.

The 30-member body was established in the eastern city of Benghazi by revolutionary forces following the liberation of several eastern cities.

The revolutionary council, headed by Libya's former justice minister Mustafa Abdel Jalil, who was among the first high-profile Libyan figures to defect from the Gaddafi regime following the brutal crackdown on opposition protesters, plans to lead the country to an election.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 08, 2011, 09:23:23 PM
Gaddafi: I won't quit, they are traitorsGaddafi: I won't quit, they are traitors

Wed Mar 9, 2011 6:10AM
source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168949.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168949.html)

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Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi

Libyan embattled ruler Muammar Gaddafi says he won't quit, describing members of the opposition National Libyan Council as traitors while the government forces continue their attacks on the civilians.

Beleaguered Gaddafi made the remarks on Tuesday as he addressed people from the Zintan tribe. He blamed the revolution against his rule on foreigners, saying foreign elements brainwashed Libyan youngsters to turn against their country, a Press TV correspondent reported.

The embattled ruler further pointed out that anti-regime protesters belong to al-Qaeda and have come from abroad.

"These elements are completely hopeless, there is no way with them. It's a small group from Afghanistan, Algeria, Egypt and Palestine who entered cities, they entered Zintan, Zawiyah and Benghazi,” he said.


“They also gave them weapons and machine guns and the kids were happy with them and that is how things became this bad,” he added.

Earlier in the day, he made a visit to a Tripoli hotel packed with journalists. He was expected to brief the reporters but the long-time ruler left the hotel without holding a speech.

Meanwhile, pro-Gaddafi forces escalated aerial attacks on Zawiyah, just 48 kilometers (30 miles) west of the Libyan capital Tripoli on Tuesday and tanks surrounding the city shelled homes from the outskirts, killing unarmed civilians.

City residents say that hospitals cannot manage the influx of injured people and reporters' lack of access to the area and the fact that the Internet has been blocked have made it difficult to estimate the death toll.

Zawiyah has been in the hands of the opposition since the early days of the revolution. The city is of great significance to Gaddafi since it is the closest to his stronghold in Tripoli.

Elsewhere, government troops have surrounded the southern town of Zintan, but revolutionary forces are still in control.

Airstrikes were launched in the eastern port of Ras Lanuf on Tuesday and jets also struck two hotels in Benghazi, where reporters were staying.

The liberated east of the country is now settling down and moving forward, despite fierce battles between revolutionary and pro-regime forces in some cities.

And the Libyan National Council, recently established by opposition forces and headed by former Justice Minister Mustafa Abdel Jalil, has delivered an ultimatum to Gaddafi and his associates, saying they will not prosecute the dictator for his crimes if he leaves the country within 72 hours.

Meanwhile, US President Barack Obama and British Prime Minister David Cameron have agreed on a full range of options on Libya, including a no-fly zone.

A UN resolution on the issue is being drafted and will be discussed by NATO defense ministers on Thursday.
Wed Mar 9, 2011 6:10AM
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Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi
Libyan embattled ruler Muammar Gaddafi says he won't quit, describing members of the opposition National Libyan Council as traitors while the government forces continue their attacks on the civilians.


Beleaguered Gaddafi made the remarks on Tuesday as he addressed people from the Zintan tribe. He blamed the revolution against his rule on foreigners, saying foreign elements brainwashed Libyan youngsters to turn against their country, a Press TV correspondent reported.

The embattled ruler further pointed out that anti-regime protesters belong to al-Qaeda and have come from abroad.

"These elements are completely hopeless, there is no way with them. It's a small group from Afghanistan, Algeria, Egypt and Palestine who entered cities, they entered Zintan, Zawiyah and Benghazi,” he said.


“They also gave them weapons and machine guns and the kids were happy with them and that is how things became this bad,” he added.

Earlier in the day, he made a visit to a Tripoli hotel packed with journalists. He was expected to brief the reporters but the long-time ruler left the hotel without holding a speech.

Meanwhile, pro-Gaddafi forces escalated aerial attacks on Zawiyah, just 48 kilometers (30 miles) west of the Libyan capital Tripoli on Tuesday and tanks surrounding the city shelled homes from the outskirts, killing unarmed civilians.

City residents say that hospitals cannot manage the influx of injured people and reporters' lack of access to the area and the fact that the Internet has been blocked have made it difficult to estimate the death toll.

Zawiyah has been in the hands of the opposition since the early days of the revolution. The city is of great significance to Gaddafi since it is the closest to his stronghold in Tripoli.

Elsewhere, government troops have surrounded the southern town of Zintan, but revolutionary forces are still in control.

Airstrikes were launched in the eastern port of Ras Lanuf on Tuesday and jets also struck two hotels in Benghazi, where reporters were staying.

The liberated east of the country is now settling down and moving forward, despite fierce battles between revolutionary and pro-regime forces in some cities.

And the Libyan National Council, recently established by opposition forces and headed by former Justice Minister Mustafa Abdel Jalil, has delivered an ultimatum to Gaddafi and his associates, saying they will not prosecute the dictator for his crimes if he leaves the country within 72 hours.

Meanwhile, US President Barack Obama and British Prime Minister David Cameron have agreed on a full range of options on Libya, including a no-fly zone.

A UN resolution on the issue is being drafted and will be discussed by NATO defense ministers on Thursday.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: laconas on March 09, 2011, 01:08:04 AM

(Video at source)

http://rt.com/news/libya-violence-foreign-trace/

Libyan violence intensifies, authorities claim foreign involvement

Published: 09 March, 2011, 10:07

The violence in Libya has reached a grim milestone: more than a thousand people are thought to have died in the fighting between rebel and government forces. Libyan authorities insist that the uprising is orchestrated from abroad.

­Fighting has reportedly intensified in the country with conflicting reports of what territory is controlled by what forces. Gaddafi supporters claim that they have taken the city of Zawiyah, but protesters deny this information.

Al Jazeera television reports of snipers randomly shooting from rooftops in the Libyan capital Tripoli. There is also fighting in the oil port of Ras Lanuf, and the towns of Misurata and Bin Jawad.

The interim governing body created by the Libyan opposition, the National Libyan Council, based in Benghazi, has recently offered a deal to the country’s leader Muammar Gaddafi, Al Jazeera television reports.

The channel has quoted the head of the council Mustafa Abdel Jalil as saying that if Gaddafi leaves within 72 hours, they will not prosecute him for the crimes he committed.

Libyan authorities deny ever talking to the rebels, persisting that the events in Libya are carefully orchestrated from abroad.

In an interview to Turkey's state-run TRT Turk television, Muammar Gaddafi said that the Libyans will fight if a no-fly zone is introduced over Libya by Western states. He added that this would show their real intention to seize the country’s oil, AP news agency reports.

The country’s foreign minister has a similar vision.

“It is clear that it is a well-prepared plot,” Libyan Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa told RT in an exclusive interview. “The proof is that this group has contacts with great powers and is supported by them, first of all by Britain, which is attracted by the oil reserves.”

“The UK has paid several visits, held negotiations and offered help,” he added. “The same situation is with France and the US. Great powers compete for the right to own oil gold recourses. And this rivalry is going on.”

Moussa Koussa added that the opposition forces have links to Al-Qaeda.

“Those people were trained at Guantanamo and Iraqi bases. Western security agencies are behind it,” he said. “If Al-Qaeda proceeds with its subversive activity, chaos and disruption will only increase. The situation will be like in Somalia.”


The rebels, however, deny any accusations of this sort. They insist that it is the people of Libya who are fighting to improve their lives, and vehemently oppose any foreign involvement into the country’s affairs.

The opposition cites the recent embarrassment of British diplomatic effort to make connections with them, which ended in a failure for the UK. The group which had been dispatched by the British side to negotiate with the protesters was briefly arrested by the rebels and then sent back home.

However, both US and EU authorities confirmed that they have had direct talks with the National Libyan Council, Itar-Tass news agency reports. A representative of the council asked the European Council officials for support, but not intervention, says the agency.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 09, 2011, 07:36:37 AM
The violence in Libya has reached a grim milestone: more than a thousand people are thought to have died in the fighting between rebel and government forces. Libyan authorities insist that the uprising is orchestrated from abroad.

rebel... government... Libyan authorities... rebels... seize... vision... plot... Al-Qaeda...rebels...

word games.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 10, 2011, 07:20:15 PM
Libya's Ras Lanuf under heavy attack

Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:34AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/169270.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/169270.html)

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A wounded Libyan man is evacuated from the battle field to the eastern key Libyan oil town of Ras Lanuf on March 10, 2011.

Libyan regime forces have showered rockets and tank shells on the strategic oil port of Ras Lanuf in preparation for a full-scale offensive.

"All we are seeing there is bombardment with heavy artillery from the sea and the air," spokesman for the opposition National Libyan Council, Hafiz Ghoga, said on state television on Thursday.

The state television announced that the army had driven opposition forces out of Ras Lanuf, which the opposition denies.

Medics confirmed that the city's main hospital was hit by artillery and airstrikes, killing several people. Dozens were also wounded while scores of others are missing.

Staff and patients were evacuated to the cities of Brega and Ajdabiyah, AFP reported.

Warplanes have also bombed Brega -- another opposition-held oil hub.

Meanwhile, in the western town of Zawiyah, regime forces have been locked in street fighting with opposition fighters. Witnesses have described scenes of carnage with women and children among the dead.

Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi's son, Saif al-Islam, says regime forces are preparing full-scale military action against the opposition -- even if the West intervenes.

Also on Thursday, Tripoli announced that it may sever diplomatic ties with France and other Western countries if they back the opposition.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Sue on March 10, 2011, 08:43:25 PM
Libya's Ras Lanuf under heavy attack

Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi's son, Saif al-Islam, says regime forces are preparing full-scale military action against the opposition -- even if the West intervenes.

Libyan regime forces have showered rockets and tank shells on the strategic oil port of Ras Lanuf in preparation for a full-scale offensive.

PIGS!!!  I wonder if we in the 'brave' west could be as courageous as these Middle Easterners are.

I was just scouting around and found this video here: http://www.breitbart.tv/anti-capitalism-protester-whats-happening-now-in-egypt-same-thing-needs-to-happen-here/ Take a look at some of these retarded replies from what I assume is the younger crowd. Pathetic!

Leave it the seniors!!! Now we know, there is at least one group who will stand up and fight!



Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: laconas on March 10, 2011, 11:52:03 PM
It's clear that the jews have taken a wait and see attitude on this. 

I don't know what to make of Sarkosy's call for air strikes.  It could be 1 of 3 things: 1) He thinks the situation requires air strikes; 2) He's making a political move because he serves jews; 3)  He's making a political move because he doesn't serve jews.

France's North African Magrebe population is -- 10% of France's population? 15%? Most Magrebe think Qaddafi is a fruitcake. That's his domestic market. But, Sarkosy says a million a things everyday that we never hear about, but we heard this. OK, I get it, the Jews want Qaddafi out.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: bpocatch on March 11, 2011, 02:37:26 AM
Two major Libyan oil ports closed


What!? Oil!? LW may I call you  LW? Are you trying to imply the old canard about that all wars are about  bankers and their control of oil?  >:(

What is next the Protocals of the Learned Elders of Zion?
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 11, 2011, 12:12:35 PM
What!? Oil!? LW may I call you  LW? Are you trying to imply the old canard about that all wars are about  bankers and their control of oil?  >:(

What is next the Protocals of the Learned Elders of Zion?

LW is fine.  :)

My take on the oil aspect of all this is straight forward. The oil cartel has made the west dependent on foreign oil production through the simple expedient of capping domestic production. This has enabled the PTBs to maintain higher prices than would otherwise be the case and justify foreign intervention on the pretext that to do nothing will drive the price higher and threaten our 'national security'.

The so called 'strategic reserve' was intended to absorb whatever domestic production still existed at prices (underwritten by the people) that would ensure a 'reasonable' profit for those producers who had not yet moved their operations overseas. Basically it was bribery to move production offshore and to exploit foreign reserves, thereby further  increasing our dependence on controlled and exploited nations. Furthermore anyone foolish enough to develop alternative energy sources was discredited, dismissed and destroyed. To that end murder is inclusive when Hillary pontificates that 'all options are being considered' whenever that hegemony is threatened.

As you can see by the media rhetoric it's working like a charm. Threatened by price increases Americans will turn a blind eye when the military is sent out to 'secure' supplies.
Title: - Re: * Meanwhile in the M.E. ~ Unrest in Iran and Libya
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 14, 2011, 07:23:14 PM
West plays 'al-Qaeda' card on Libya

Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:30PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/169968.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/169968.html)

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Libyan protesters chant anti-Gaddafi slogans

Western media downplay the popular revolution in Libya to a wave of unrest created by al-Qaeda, in order to justify Western leaders' silence in the face of the deadly crackdown on people in the North African country.

Abu Yahya al-Libi, the person whom the West claims to be an al-Qaeda commander, has called for the incumbent Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi to be toppled.

In a 30-minute videotape posted on the Internet, Abu Yahya asserted that after the collapse of the regimes in Tunisia and Egypt it is now Libya's turn, Deutsche Welle reported.

Whenever Gaddafi and the US want to kill civilians, they claim that they are al-Qaeda so that they could justify the killings.

The new videotape by a person claimed to be an al-Qaeda commander is a new tactic for justifying the killing of innocent Libyan civilians.

Al-Libi has reportedly called for upholding Sharia (Islamic law) in Libya.

He managed to escape from Afghanistan's Bagram prison in 2005.

Al-Libi has never been a top member of al-Qaeda and it is not known how the US has set him free from the Afghan prison to use him as an al-Qaeda spokesman for such plans.
Title: - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 15, 2011, 09:03:48 PM
Anti-aircraft fire heard in Benghazi

Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:39AM

source:  http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170148.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170148.html)

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Libyan revolutionaries fire anti-aircraft gun as they go from Ajdabiyah to Benghazi on March 15.

Anti-aircraft and heavy artillery fire has been heard in Libya's eastern city of Benghazi as forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi continue the deadly assault on opposition forces.

Revolutionaries' anti-aircraft batteries opened fire at around 11:00 pm local time (2100 GMT), but no planes have been seen over the opposition-held city, AFP reported.

The Libyan army had earlier announced that an offensive against the revolutionary forces in Benghazi was imminent.

On Tuesday, Gaddafi forces moved further to the east to retake the cities and towns that fell out of the government's control in the early days of the popular revolution.

"The armed forces are arriving to ensure your security, undo the injustice done to you, protect you, restore calm and bring life back to normal," a government statement addressing eastern residents said on Tuesday. LW - right...

"This is a humanitarian operation being undertaken in your interests, and is not aimed at taking revenge against anyone," it added.  LW - right...

Gaddafi loyalists launched an all-out attack on the eastern city of Ajdabiya on Tuesday. Tanks shelled homes and warplanes and artillery struck roads to prevent people from fleeing to the neighboring city of Benghazi.  LW - the proof of ther lies.

Gaddafi seems intent on hanging on to power as long as possible, the members of the international community, especially the Western powers, have so far failed to take any concrete steps to halt the violence, and thus it seems the carnage will continue in the killing fields of Libya.

The latest reports from Libya indicate that thousands may have been killed or injured in the country as the government intensifies its violent assault on the opposition.

LW _ those Toyotas may well become collector items. Bad joke, I know.
Title: - - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 16, 2011, 10:16:45 AM
Opposition deny Gaddafi victory claims

Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:59PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170249.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170249.html)

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Revolutionary fighters reject claims that forces loyal to Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi have taken full control of the strategic oil-rich town of Ajdabiya.

The development comes after Libyan state television said on Tuesday that Gaddafi's loyalists were now "in total control" of the town.

The opposition leaders announced in a statement that the assault was repelled.

However, reports indicate that warplanes of the Gaddafi regime have escalated airstrikes on the oil-rich town since Monday.

Ajdabiya is located about 100 miles south of Benghazi, the opposition stronghold.

Pro-government forces are zeroing in on the Western city of Misrata, which is held by the revolutionary fighters. Reports say that pro-Gaddafi forces have killed four people in the city.

"Very heavy bombardments are taking place now from three sides. They are using heavy weapons including tanks and artillery. They have yet to enter the town," Reuters quoted locals and residents as saying.

Meanwhile, Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam has just claimed that revolutionaries holed up in the eastern city of Benghazi will be defeated within the next 48 hours.

Saif al-Islam also ruled out the possibility of a foreign military intervention in Libya.

Thousands of people held a rally in Benghazi on Tuesday, calling Gaddafi a tyrant. The rally took place after Gaddafi called protesters rats and traitors.

Meanwhile, discussions among the members of the UN Security Council over the situation in Libya have again led to nowhere.

Colonel Gaddafi has ruled Libya ever since taking over the country in a 1969 bloodless military coup.

Latest reports from Libya indicate that thousands may have been killed or injured as the regime's brutal crackdown on protesters and opposition forces escalates.
Title: - - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 16, 2011, 10:10:49 PM
Battle for Libya's Benghazi looms large

Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:56AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170348.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170348.html)

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Libyan government soldiers celebrate at the west gate of town Ajdabiyah on March 16, 2011.

Fighting between forces loyal to Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi and opposition forces has intensified as regime troops are pushing closer to the revolutionaries' main stronghold, Benghazi.

The battle for control of Benghazi looked just hours away on Thursday after the Libyan army ordered people to leave opposition-held locations and arms storage areas, Reuters reported.

However, Benghazi residents said the army's order was a psychological warfare and that the city was quiet.

The International Committee of the Red Cross has withdrawn from Benghazi, located in eastern Libya. The organization said it feared an attack by forces loyal to beleaguered Gaddafi may be imminent.

Earlier, the 68-year-old Gaddafi said his troops will fight a decisive battle on Wednesday and Thursday to capture the northwestern city of Misratah from opposition forces.

"The battle starts today (Wednesday) at Misrata (the country's third city) and tomorrow, that will be the decisive battle," said the Libyan ruler.

Meanwhile, it is not yet clear if the port city of Ajdabiyah, seen as a gateway to the city of Benghazi, has fallen to the regime troops. According to medical sources, at least 26 people have so far been killed in the city since Tuesday.

This comes as the UN Security Council has reportedly reached an agreement on the text of a draft resolution on a no-fly zone over troubled Libya. The council is set to meet again on Thursday to discuss the text.

'Gaddafi's son near death in hospital'

Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:41PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170301.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170301.html)

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Opposition force deface a poster of leader Muammar Gaddafi at the southern entrance of Benghazi on March 15, 2011.

A Libyan journalist says the regime is covering up the condition of one of Gaddafi's sons that sustained serious injuries in an aerial attack carried out by a defecting pilot.

Sulaiman Duga has told Al-Arbia news channel that Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, the son of Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi, should take care of his seriously wounded brother instead of making claims of victory against opposition forces.

Gaddafi's son sustained severe burn injuries on Tuesday after a defected pilot attacked Bab al-Azizia, a military barracks situated in the southern suburbs of Tripoli.

Reports say he is fighting death in a hospital in Tripoli.

The remarks come after Saif al-Islam claimed that regime's forces have retaken the opposition-controlled Western city of Misrata.

Moreover, Saif al-Islam has also asserted that revolutionaries holed up in the eastern city of Benghazi will be defeated within the next 48 hours.

The city has come to be known as the capital of the Libyan Revolution and is home to the interim Transitional National Council.

The National Libyan Transitional Council has warned of a massacre in Benghazi if the international community does not intervene.

Meanwhile, thousands have been killed in Gaddafi regime's continuing crackdown on opposition protesters ever since the Libyan uprising began in mid-February.
Title: - - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
Post by: mallard on March 16, 2011, 11:14:50 PM
Re: BBC 3/16/11
Libya: US urges tough United Nations resolution
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12768695

The US has said the UN should consider more than just a no-fly zone over Libya, amid Security Council division on a draft resolution.

US ambassador Susan Rice said a no-fly zone would only bring limited help. She hoped for an early vote on a draft.

Russia expressed concern at some of the implications of the proposals and put forward a counter-resolution.

Forces loyal to Col Gaddafi are taking ground from rebels, who say they fear "genocide" without swift UN action.

On Wednesday, the International Committee of the Red Cross withdrew from the rebel-held city of Benghazi, in eastern Libya, saying it feared an imminent attack by Col Gaddafi's forces.

Government forces say they have captured Ajdabiya, the last town before Benghazi, but the rebels deny this.

'Over in 48 hours'
 
The UN Security Council on Wednesday undertook lengthy and difficult negotiations over a resolution aimed at authorising a no-fly zone.

The US has previously been cool on the effectiveness of such a zone, but Ms Rice said further measures were now needed.

"The US view is that we need to be prepared to contemplate steps that include, but perhaps go beyond a no-fly zone, at this point, as the situation on the ground has evolved and as a no-fly zone has inherent limitations in terms of protection of civilians at immediate risk."

The BBC's Barbara Plett at the UN says the draft resolution contains controversial language authorising all necessary measures to protect civilians, which some interpret as permitting strikes against government ground forces if civilians are under attack.

She says that may have been what Russia's ambassador was referring to when he angrily declared that some members had introduced proposals with far-reaching implications.

Russia has strong reservations about military action, as does China, and instead offered a counter resolution calling first for a ceasefire.

[article continues ...]

Ambassador Susan Rice
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She looks like she could way outdo that 'quintessential one' ... ready to remove chrome from a trailer hitch [to me].  So ready ... never to take the beating, is this woman ... she practically looked 'upbeat' to ... start WWIII .. on TV today.

Title: - - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
Post by: laconas on March 17, 2011, 08:49:33 AM


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The US has said the UN should consider more than just a no-fly zone over Libya, amid Security Council division on a draft resolution.

That's the way Jews are. They want to help an armed group take over a country even though they claim they don't who they are.
Title: U.N. Approves Airstrikes to Halt Attacks by Qaddafi Forces
Post by: laconas on March 17, 2011, 02:58:38 PM

The overt war will start in a few hours. The covert war has been going on for a month or so now.


U.N. Approves Airstrikes to Halt Attacks by Qaddafi Forces

By DAN BILEFSKY and KAREEM FAHIM
Published: March 17, 2011


UNITED NATIONS — The United Nations Security Council approved a measure on Thursday authorizing “all necessary measures” to protect Libyan civilians from harm at the hands of forces loyal to Colonel Muammar el-Qaddafi.

 The measure allows not only a no-fly zone but effectively any measures short of a ground invasion to halt attacks that might result in civilian fatalities. It comes as Colonel Qaddafi warned residents of Benghazi, Libya, the rebel capital, that an attack was imminent and promised lenient treatment for those who offered no resistance.

“We are coming tonight,” Colonel Qaddafi said. “You will come out from inside. Prepare yourselves from tonight. We will find you in your closets.”

Speaking on a call-in radio show, he promised amnesty for those “who throw their weapons away” but “no mercy or compassion” for those who fight. Explosions were heard in Benghazi early Friday, unnerving residents there,  Agence-France Presse reported.

The United States, originally leery of any military involvement in Libya, became a strong proponent of the resolution, particularly after the Arab League approved a no-fly zone, something that Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton called a “game changer”

 With the recent advances made by pro-Qaddafi forces in the east, there was a growing consensus in the Obama administration that imposing a no-fly zone by itself would no longer make much of a difference and that there was a need for  more aggressive airstrikes that would make targets of Colonel Qaddafi’s tanks and heavy artillery — an option sometimes referred to as a no-drive zone. The United States or its allies might also send military personnel to advise and train the rebels, an official said.

In the most strident verbal attack on Colonel Qaddafi to date by an American official, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Thursday that the Western powers had little choice but to provide critical military backing for the rebels. “We want to support the opposition who are standing against the dictator,” she told an applauding audience in Tunisia on Thursday. “This is a man who has no conscience and will threaten anyone in his way.”

She added that Colonel Qaddafi would do “terrible things” to Libya and its neighbors. “It’s just in his nature. There are some creatures that are like that.”

The Qaddafi government responded to the potential United Nations action with threats.

 “Any foreign military act against Libya will expose all air and maritime traffic in the Mediterranean Sea to danger and civilian and military facilities will become targets of Libya’s counter-attack,” it said in a statement carried on Libyan television and the official news agency, JANA, Reuters reported. “The Mediterranean basin will face danger not just in the short-term, but also in the long-term.”

There were reports on Thursday that warplanes were already bombarding the outskirts of Benghazi for a second day, opening shots, perhaps, in the battle. And after days of batterings at the hands of Qaddafi loyalists, the opposition forces welcomed the promise of Western assistance.

Rebel leaders doubted that the loyalist forces could mount an assault on Benghazi tonight, in that they were still contesting  Ajdabiya, 100 miles to the south, on Thursday morning. But witnesses said there were skirmishes on the road to Benghazi in the afternoon, about 30 miles from Ajdabiya.

Mohamed, a rebel spokesman in the embattled, rebel held city of Misurata — the last major rebel foothold in the west — welcomed the new American tone. “We are very heartened yesterday by the moves in the United Nations Security Council and the urgency of the American stand,” he said, speaking over a satellite phone.

Forces loyal to Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi massed outside Misurata on Thursday, apparently in preparation for an attack. Musa Ibrahim, a spokesman for the Qaddafi government, confirmed that its forces were preparing to take the city in the same way they did Zawiya, another western town that had been held by the rebels.

“It starts in the beginning by surrounding the city,” he said, “then moving slowly to avoid casualties.” Rebels in Zawiyah described heavy casualties — at least dozens — during the Qaddafi forces’ siege of that city. But Mr. Ibrahim said that in Misuratah the army was not moving, along with “local volunteers,” to rid the city of any rebel snipers who might be hiding in buildings. 

“It should be finished up tomorrow if not today,” Mr. Ibrahim added.

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Dan Bilefsky reported from the United Nations and Kareem Fahim from Tobruk, Libya. David D. Kirkpatrick contributed reporting from Tripoli, Libya, and Steven Lee Myers from Tunis, Tunisia.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/18/world/africa/18nations.html
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Post by: Rudi Jan on March 17, 2011, 03:02:37 PM
Since they support and arming the group against the Qaddafi govt., it becomes obvious which side the relative parties are on.

Where is the evidence of that? In words? Where is this no-fly zone that would only impact Gaddafi's murderous use of aircraft against 'his' people?

Here is a newsflash... The Jews are coming to HIS aid dumbass.

Talk is cheap, something you have in common with the MSM. You claim on one hand to not trust the media yet you buy their bullshit, which from where I sit is all it's been. But then asking you for ANYTHING factual has thus far been an exercise in futility. Whenever you post it's just disinfo and distraction and patently false since not one word you have written has been substantiated by anything factual. If you can't speak to truth then I say you are Jew or a shabbat goy. Do us all a favor, go twitter or something.
Title: - - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 17, 2011, 03:13:01 PM
Oh, I stand corrected. Seems that the UN has finally made the decision for intervention. I suppose Gaddafi's pilots are suffering from murder fatigue and can now stand down while the UN takes over the job of strafing civilians.  

UNSC orders no-fly zone over Libya

Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:55PM
source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170484.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170484.html)

The United Nations Security Council has passed a resolution ordering a no-fly zone over Libya, while suspending the country from the Human Rights Council.

Resolution 1970 authorizes a no-fly zone over Libya and to allow "all necessary measures" to be taken "to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in (Libya), including Benghazi, while excluding an occupation force," Reuters reported on Thursday.

It allows for airstrikes to halt Gaddafi's offensive against the revolutionary forces in Libya.

The vote passed 10-0 with five abstentions in the 15-member council. The permanent council members of China and Russia did not use their veto powers, but instead abstained.

Gaddafi forces 'nowhere near Benghazi'

Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:56PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170443.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170443.html)

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Opposition forces in Libya's eastern city of Benghazi

Libyan opposition forces have dismissed reports that soldiers loyal to the embattled ruler Muammar Gaddafi have reached outskirts of the eastern city of Benghazi.

"They are nowhere near Benghazi," Reuters quoted spokesman for the February 17th coalition, Essam Gheriani, as saying on Thursday.

He also said Gaddafi's forces had approached the oil town of Zueitina in eastern Libya.

"They have been surrounded by the revolutionary forces and are being dealt with," Gheriani emphasized.

The report comes as Gaddafi's forces heavily bombarded residential areas in Libya's eastern town of Ajdabiyah on Thursday.

Earlier in the day, at least 30 people, including women, children and elderly men, were killed in Ajdabiyah as a result of clashes between revolutionary forces and troops loyal to Gaddafi around the town.

Meanwhile, residents of opposition-held Benghazi reported air strikes on the outskirts of the city on Thursday.

Rising casualties, threats of hunger and a refugee crisis have exerted extra pressure on foreign governments to act.

The UN Security Council is scheduled to meet on Thursday to discuss whether to impose a no-fly zone over Libya.

On Wednesday, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon called on all parties in the Libyan conflict to "accept an immediate ceasefire," and that "those responsible for the continuous use of military force against civilians will be held accountable."

Libyan anti-government forces, inspired by revolutions that toppled authoritarian rulers in neighboring Tunisia and Egypt, are fighting to unseat Gaddafi after more than 41 years of despotic rule.

LW - so according to this report Gaddafi's forces are nowhere near Benghazi but it is specifically mentioned in the article above. So those jets who will issue forth from American carriers have already elected to 'protect' a town that Gaddafi was unable to retake. And isn't it odd that his forces are nowhere near there if this is to be believed. Do you think maybe they know what's coming and have opted to clear out so they are not caught in the carnage that Americans are about to inflict on that town on the pretext of stopping Gaddafi's use of lead against the protesters? The answer is as obvious. They are coming in for one purpose and one purpose alone... to stop the revolution in the same manner as they murdered 1.5 million Iragis on account of Saddam's alleged murder and torture of 23,000 of his own people.

As to your post below your query is based on your own false presumption (which you have repeated endlessly without a shred of proof) unless you mean by Libya 'the people', which obviously you don't. Get this straight... the jews did NOT start a war against Qaddafi. He's a jew, fool. They already had him in their pocket and are doing everything in their power to keep him, or his psychotic son, in power.
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Post by: laconas on March 17, 2011, 03:17:24 PM
Where is the evidence of that? In words? Where is this no-fly zone that would only impact Gaddafi's murderous use of aircraft against 'his' people?

Here is a newsflash... The Jews are coming to HIS aid dumbass.

Talk is cheap, something you have in common with the MSM. You claim on one hand to not trust the media yet you buy their bull$h^t, which from where I sit is all it's been. But then asking you for ANYTHING factual has thus far been an exercise in futility. Whenever you post it's just disinfo and distraction and patently false since not one word you have written has been substantiated by anything factual. If you can't speak to truth then I say you are Jew or a shabbat goy. Do us all a favor, go twitter or something.

So you're saying the jew led war against Libya just voted for in the UN is actually against Jewish interests.
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Post by: laconas on March 17, 2011, 03:28:20 PM
Oh, I stand corrected. Seems that the UN has finally made the decision for intervention. I suppose Gaddafi's pilots are suffering from murder fatigue and can now stand down while the UN takes over the job of strafing civilians. 

UNSC orders no-fly zone over Libya

Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:55PM
source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170484.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170484.html)

The United Nations Security Council has passed a resolution ordering a no-fly zone over Libya, while suspending the country from the Human Rights Council.

Resolution 1970 authorizes a no-fly zone over Libya and to allow "all necessary measures" to be taken "to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in (Libya), including Benghazi, while excluding an occupation force," Reuters reported on Thursday.

It allows for airstrikes to halt Gaddafi's offensive against the revolutionary forces in Libya.

The vote passed 10-0 with five abstentions in the 15-member council. The permanent council members of China and Russia did not use their veto powers, but instead abstained.

I don't want to be a bringer of bad news, but a no-fly zone means war -- they have take-out aircraft guns and S to A missiles and make a lot of potholes on the runways.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on March 17, 2011, 03:34:35 PM
I don't want to be a bringer of bad news, but a no-fly zone means war --

You think? What have I been saying? But this is not a war of the Libyan people against tyranny and the Jews who have supported the tyrant, but a war by America and the Zionists against the people. I suppose you think the Saudis went into Bahrain at Gates' request to fight the Zionists.
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Post by: Jan Robertson on March 17, 2011, 03:44:46 PM
You don't see that the 'armed group' ARE not the people trying take BACK their country but the Jew tyrant whose been running it for the Israelis for decades? Are you a Jew Laconas? I'm becoming more and more convinced that you their agent at the least.

LW... I have to agree with laconas on this one. You are spot on with your comments about the ME not getting the coverage and the conspiracy going virtually unnoticed (because ot the Japan tragedy), but I believe Gaddafi has been set up 'again' as the bad guy and the US and Saudis, are using (their) agitated revolts in Egypt, Yemen and Tunisia as a means to an end.

You have to remember that Gaddafi was also accused of the lockerbie bombing and made to buckle under pressure to 'co-operate'. Much like the pressure they tried to impose on Ahmadinejad.

Also please take note of the US/Israeli fatigues one of the 'opposition' is wearing.

Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:41PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170301.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170301.html)

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Opposition force deface a poster of leader Muammar Gaddafi at the southern entrance of Benghazi on March 15, 2011.

Not to mention the Saudis (the loyal US oil barons) are the ones "preventing the treatment of wounded protestors that includes women and children?" But are supporting the protestors in the rest of the ME.

The protests in Libya are orchestrated just like the rest of the ME but in this case everyone is being hoodwinked because of the (so called) fight for democracy everywhere else.

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Saudi forces have stormed a Manama's hospital where hundreds of people were receiving treatment for injuries suffered in clashes with government forces a day earlier.

Saudi troops forced their way into Salmaniya hospital on Wednesday and did not allow doctors, nurses and relatives of the victims either to leave or to enter the building.

Just a little background on the CIA Lockerbie fiasco.

http://www.lockerbietruth.com/
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Post by: laconas on March 17, 2011, 03:46:24 PM
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After intense lobbying by France and Britain for passage of the resolution, 10 security council states voted in favour, with five countries – Russia, China, India, Germany and Brazil – abstaining. The vote came after the US had signalled earlier in the week that it was stepping up support for military action.


This is the first article to mention who abstained from the vote. The NYT for some reason forgot to list these nations.




Financial Times FT.com

Security Council votes for no-fly zone

By Harvey Morris at the United Nations, Peggy Hollinger in Paris and James Blitz in London

Published: March 17 2011 08:16 | Last updated: March 17 2011 23:25

France, Britain and the US have been given the green light to conduct air strikes against Colonel Gaddafi’s forces in Libya after the UN Security Council approved a resolution authorising “all necessary measures’’ to protect civilians under threat from the Libyan regime.

As Col Gaddafi threatened an imminent assault on the rebel stronghold of Benghazi, the UN security council passed a resolution endorsing the launch of a no-fly zone to halt government troops that are now around 60 miles from the city.

The UN Security Council also authorised “all necessary measures” – code for military action – to protect civilians against attacks by Col Gaddafi’s forces.

After intense lobbying by France and Britain for passage of the resolution, 10 security council states voted in favour, with five countries – Russia, China, India, Germany and Brazil – abstaining. The vote came after the US had signalled earlier in the week that it was stepping up support for military action.

As the vote was passed, protesters in Benghazi cheered and let off fireworks, waving flags from the monarchy era in celebration.

However, the key question on the minds of defence experts was whether the UN resolution has come too late to stop Col Gaddafi’s advance. Last night, he threatened to storm Benghazi overnight. “We will come, zenga, zenga. House by house, room by room,” he said in a radio address to the eastern city.

French officials indicated that air strikes against Col Gaddafi;’s forces could begin quickly. French news reports suggested that coalition strikes would be against troops threatening Benghazi and supply lines between Benghazi and Tripoli.

But in the UK, a senior aide to David Cameron, played down reports that air strikes or other forms of military action would begin imminently. The aide said it was too early to say what form military action would take and which countries would participate in it. “All this needs to be worked through in the next few days,” he said.

On a visit to Tunisia, Hillary Clinton, US secretary of state, said options being considered against Col Qaddafi’s forces include use of drones and arming rebel forces.

“It is important to recognize that military experts across the world know that a no-fly zone requires certain actions to be taken to protect the planes and the pilots, including bombing targets like the air defense systems,” Mrs Clinton said.

In London, William Hague, Britain’s foreign secretary, said the UN resolution was necessary “to avoid greater bloodshed and to try to stop what is happening in terms of attacks on civilians”.

He added: “This places a responsibility on members of the United Nations and that is a responsibility to which the United Kingdom will now respond.”

Italy said it was ready to make its military bases available to enforce the UN resolution. The airbase at Sigonella in Sicily, which provides logistical support for the US Sixth Fleet, is one of the closest NATO bases to Libya and could be used in any military operation.

The resolution also extends an asset freeze on Libyan entities. The draft named the Libyan Central Bank and the Libyan National Oil Corporation as entities that would be targeted.

April-delivery crude climbed $2, on the New York Mercantile Exchange on news of the vote.

Before the vote the UN had been the scene of dramatic diplomatic manoeuvring.

Alain Juppé, France’s foreign minister who had flown to New York to attend the meeting, said it was urgent to act. “It’s a question of days, perhaps hours,” he told reporters before the vote.

After the dramatic decision by Barack Obama, US president, to back calls for international military action against Colonel Gaddafi, the US joined France and Britain’s efforts to persuade the Security Council to approve a partial no-fly zone over Libya and air strikes against the Libyan leader’s forces.

William Hague, Britain’s foreign secretary, said a draft UN resolution called “for all necessary measures short of an occupation force to protect civilians under threat of attack”.

French officials said a resolution could be followed by immediate military action by France’s jets. “We will be ready to act once the resolution is voted [for],” an official said in Paris.

Mr Juppé said it was an important and historic moment for the UN to stand up against dictators willing to attack their own people to stifle democracy. “If we did not do what we are doing now, we would be ashamed,” he said.

Britain did not rule out the possibility of military strikes and US planners were preparing for such a move. But in a sign of residual US doubts, Gen Norton Schwartz, US air force chief of staff, said “it would take upwards of a week” to establish a no-fly zone.

Diplomats said they anticipated abstentions from member states including Brazil, India and possibly South Africa. However, China and Russia were not expected to use their veto powers to block the measures. In the absence of a veto, the resolution was likely to be passed by at least the required 9 votes in the 15-member council.

As the UN vote neared, the Libyan state television channel Al-Libya stepped up anti-western rhetoric and broadcast images of the US air campaign against Iraq in 2003, lingering on slow motion fireballs erupting over Baghdad, and footage of crying Iraqi children.

Mussa Ibrahim, a Libyan government spokesman, told journalists that any foreign military action against Libya would be “illegal and immoral”.

“It’s an armed rebellion. Any country would’ve fought against that. They are basing their decision on media reports,” he said.

Additional reporting by Charles Clover in Tripoli, Daniel Dombey in Washington and Alex Barker and Javier Blas in London

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Post by: laconas on March 17, 2011, 04:13:19 PM
You think? What have I been saying? But this is not a war of the Libyan people against tyranny and the Jews who have supported the tyrant, but a war by America and the Zionists against the people. I suppose you think the Saudis went into Bahrain at Gates' request to fight the Zionists.

That's confusing. It's a war to help the Jew's led, armed, and trained rebel forces to take over the country and steal its wealth. Regardless of you think or what I think, most Arabs and Muslims will just see this as just another invasion like Iraq and Afghanistan. And yes, the Jews had their "rebels" in Iraq and Afghanistan lined up before the initial invasion just like they're doing in Libya.

The big problem the Jews face in Libya is most of the people, 95% plus will not accept the few thousand or so jew backed rebel fighters who they see as selling out their country and their country's wealth to Jewish interests; the civil war will not end even after the occupation. The second problem for the Jews beyond Libya is the current jew backed military govt. in Egypt that's helping the so called rebels in Libya; this will cause much instability within Egypt forcing the elections to be put off until the Jews can be sure of the right outcome and not another Hamas type govt.

There's also a second Arab nation that's providing support for the Libyan rebels, but they haven't it named it yet, perhaps they will within a few days.
Title: Re: U.N. Approves Airstrikes to Halt Attacks by Qaddafi Forces
Post by: Spahi on March 17, 2011, 04:16:06 PM
The overt war will start in a few hours. The covert war has been going on for a month or so now.

Took em long enough, but is anyone really going to buy it? They even have the standard 'missing journalists in enemy territory' story now.
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Post by: laconas on March 17, 2011, 04:28:14 PM

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Also please take note of the US/Israeli fatigues one of the 'opposition' is wearing.

Good point. Early on I was wondering where all the rebel forces got hold of the thousands and thousands of old Libyan monarch day flags in brand new condition. Were all the Libyan women in Benghazi at home sewing flags?

Most of the supplies for this armed rebellion appear to have come through Egypt.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on March 17, 2011, 04:40:45 PM
You have to remember that Gaddafi was also accused of the lockerbie bombing and made to buckle under pressure to 'co-operate'. Much like the pressure they tried to impose on Ahmadinejad.

He took the rap for a CIA/Mossad operation. Convenient (and Zionist friendly) if you reflect on it.

Also please take note of the US/Israeli fatigues one of the 'opposition' is wearing.

If you go back on this thread you will note that the 'opposition' captured various ammo and supply dumps in various places throughout Libya.

If you had zero arms and zero equipment what do you think you would do... burn them? The SAS went in there to try and blow up those depots in order to deny them those assets.
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Post by: laconas on March 17, 2011, 05:29:21 PM


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If you go back on this thread you will note that the 'opposition' captured various ammo and supply dumps in various places throughout Libya.

If you had zero arms and zero equipment what do you think you would do... burn them? The SAS went in there to try and blow up those depots in order to deny them those assets.

The more likely scenario is the SAS attacked the depots and police stations first and then handed out the weapons to the rebels, prisoners, and criminals.
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Post by: wag on March 17, 2011, 07:18:02 PM
Good point. Early on I was wondering where all the rebel forces got hold of the thousands and thousands of old Libyan monarch day flags in brand new condition. Were all the Libyan women in Benghazi at home sewing flags?

Most of the supplies for this armed rebellion appear to have come through Egypt.

Then there were all those US small arms concealed in soy bean containers that were being off loaded in Angola.  A couple phone calls later, they were cleared.  They came up with Kenya as the destination.  They chose to land haul weapons all through Africa instead of port calling there.  Oh, I forget about the CIA funded piracy over there.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on March 17, 2011, 07:48:02 PM
Gaddafi troops heavily shell Ajdabiyah

Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:23PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170422.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170422.html)

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Libyan soldiers loyal to Muammar Gaddafi are seen on the western entrance of Ajdabiyah, Libya, Wednesday, March 16, 2011.

Forces loyal to the embattled Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi have been heavily shelling residential areas in Libya's eastern town of Ajdabiyah, as their offensive against revolutionaries east of the country continues.

The areas came under heavy artillery bombardment on Thursday after Gaddafi forces launched a major attack to retake the opposition-held town that fell out of the government's control in early days of the revolution, Reuters reported.

“There is currently a heavy battle going on in the center of Adjabiyah town, with strong bombardment, and residential areas are being destroyed,” opposition commander Hami al-Hassi said.

Earlier in the day, at least 30 people, among them women, children and elderly men, were killed in Ajdabiyah as revolutionary forces and Gaddafi's troops engaged in clashes around the town.

Rising casualties, threats of hunger and a refugee crisis have exerted extra pressure on foreign governments to act.

The UN Security Council is scheduled to meet on Thursday to discuss whether to impose a no-fly zone over Libya.

On Wednesday, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon called on all parties in the Libyan conflict to "accept an immediate ceasefire," and that "those responsible for the continuous use of military force against civilians will be held accountable."

Libyan anti-government forces, inspired by revolutions that managed to topple authoritarian rulers in neighboring Tunisia and Egypt, are fighting to unseat Gaddafi after more than 41 years of despotic rule.

LW - all I see is american equipment. But that is not significant of course.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on March 17, 2011, 11:24:20 PM
U.K., France may strike Libya early on Friday

01:02 18/03/2011

Topic: Protests against Muammar Gaddafi’s regime in Libya

source: http://en.rian.ru/world/20110318/163065509.html (http://en.rian.ru/world/20110318/163065509.html)
© RIA Novosti. Andrey Stenin

Gaddafi warned that any foreign military intervention in would put air and maritime traffic in the Mediterranean area under threat.

France, the United Kingdom, Qatar and the U.A.E. may carry out airstrikes on forces of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi early on Friday, shortly after the Security Council vote, Western media said.

The reports came as the UN Security Council gathers for a vote on a draft resolution, imposing a no-fly zone over the African state and authorizing all "necessary measures" to protect Libyan civilians. The vote is expected at 22:00 GMT (1:00 Moscow time).

A senior government source told BBC that "British forces could be in action over Libya as early as Friday, if a UN resolution is agreed."

France's foreign minister headed Thursday to New York to press for action against Gaddafi.

Meanwhile, the Libyan leader said his forces would assault the opposition stronghold of Benghazi early on Friday.

"No more fear, no more hesitation, the moment of truth has come," Guardian quoted Gaddafi as saying. "There will be no mercy. Our troops will be coming to Benghazi tonight."

He also warned that any foreign military intervention in would put air and maritime traffic in the Mediterranean area under threat.

Mass riots demanding the end of the regime of the country's strongman, Muammar Gaddafi, have been raging in Libya since mid-February. On Thursday, Gaddafi said the confrontation between authorities and the rebellious opposition would end very soon.
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Post by: OldTimes on March 18, 2011, 12:08:08 AM
Libya thanks countries that abstained UN vote

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/Libya-thanks-countries-that-abstained-UN-vote/articleshow/7734185.cms (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/Libya-thanks-countries-that-abstained-UN-vote/articleshow/7734185.cms)

TRIPOLI: Libya has said it was grateful to the five countries, including India, who abstained from voting on a UN Security Council resolution authorising a no-fly zone over the strife-hit country.

The Security Council Thursday voted to ban flights in Libya's airspace and authorised military action to implement the ban, Xinhua reported.

The 15-nation council voted 10-0 to authorise the no-fly zone. China, Brazil, India, Germany and Russia abstained. The measure was backed by Bosnia, Colombia, France, Gabon, Lebanon, Nigeria, Portugal, South Africa, Britain and the US.

Khalid Kaim, Libyan deputy foreign minister, responded to the resolution by saying: "First of all, we are very grateful for the five countries that abstained, namely China, Russia, India, Brazil and Germany - what a surprise!"

"We also this morning sent a letter to the Secretary General of the UN to give assurances to the international community that we care about our people and we care about the territorial unity of the country," he was quoted as saying by Al Jazeera.

Kaim said the Libyan government would "react positively to the UN resolution, and we will prove this willingness while guaranteeing protection to civilians".

India's deputy envoy to the UN, Manjeev Singh Puri, said the vote was being taken without any credible information about the ground situation in Libya, where government forces are trying to crush an uprising against long-time ruler Muammar Gaddafi.

"We do not have clarity about details of enforcement measures, including who and with what asset will participate and how these measures will be exactly carried out," Puri said, explaining why India had decided to abstain.

"It is of course very important that there is full respect for the sovereignty, unity and territorial integrity of Libya," he added.

Germany said it abstained from the vote because it sees "considerable dangers and risks" in military action.

"The likelihood of large-scale loss of life should not be underestimated. If the steps proposed turn out to be ineffective, we see the danger of being drawn into a protracted military conflict that would affect the wider region," Peter Wittig, Germany's UN envoy, was quoted as saying by Al Jazeera.

I thought the list of votes supporting the no-fly zone, in contrast with the countries which abstained from voting, was interesting.  For one thing France supported it, despite Sarko's earlier (deceitful) comments.  No wonder Gaddafi's angry with him.  Also the abstained votes mostly look like BRIC countries, as we would expect in a WW3 confrontation.
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Post by: laconas on March 18, 2011, 02:20:47 AM

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The 15-nation council voted 10-0 to authorise the no-fly zone. China, Brazil, India, Germany and Russia abstained. The measure was backed by Bosnia, Colombia, France, Gabon, Lebanon, Nigeria, Portugal, South Africa, Britain and the US.

AKA the international community. With allies as these we have nothing to worry about.


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India's deputy envoy to the UN, Manjeev Singh Puri, said the vote was being taken without any credible information about the ground situation in Libya, where government forces are trying to crush an uprising against long-time ruler Muammar Gaddafi.

"We do not have clarity about details of enforcement measures, including who and with what asset will participate and how these measures will be exactly carried out," Puri said, explaining why India had decided to abstain.

"It is of course very important that there is full respect for the sovereignty, unity and territorial integrity of Libya," he added.

In other words, the resolution was full lies, a lot of bs, and other non-related issues.


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Germany said it abstained from the vote because it sees "considerable dangers and risks" in military action.

"The likelihood of large-scale loss of life should not be underestimated. If the steps proposed turn out to be ineffective, we see the danger of being drawn into a protracted military conflict that would affect the wider region," Peter Wittig, Germany's UN envoy, was quoted as saying by Al Jazeera.

German public opinion probably see this as just another oil grab and even the jew backed politicians in Germany couldn't sell this. This is a good sign.


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OT says:

I thought the list of votes supporting the no-fly zone, in contrast with the countries which abstained from voting, was interesting.  For one thing France supported it, despite Sarko's earlier (deceitful) comments.  No wonder Gaddafi's angry with him.  Also the abstained votes mostly look like BRIC countries, as we would expect in a WW3 confrontation.

This could turn out to be a very long and bloody civil war even after the rebels plant their flag in Tripoli if Qaddafi arms the people who have everything to lose when the jew backed rebels win.
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Post by: FrankDialogue on March 18, 2011, 05:59:20 AM
And who is going to enforce this 'no-fly zone'?...Libya doesn't have much of an air force in any case...Pissing in the wind.

If the British send planes, it will only be to protect oil assets belonging to Gaddafi and the Rothschilds...'Civilian casualties' don't fit into this...Perhaps countries like UK and France support such a measure because of their large Muslim populations: They make a show of supporting innocent Arabs, when they actually are partnered with the Libyan government.
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Post by: Vidarr on March 18, 2011, 09:06:09 AM
Ghadafi responded to the UN resolution by stating that from now on he will only do business ( energy ) with the countries who voted against the resolution. Europe depends on libya for 30% of it's energy supply.
So France is now ordered to gear up for "liberation of the libyan people"  and state that "strikes could come within hours" Also the british are fueling their fighter planes.
 
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Post by: Rudi Jan on March 18, 2011, 01:13:59 PM
Libya bombs civilians despite ceasefire

Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:29PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170603.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170603.html)

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Anti-Gaddafi protesters chant slogans during a rally in the city of Tobruk on March 18.

Forces loyal to out-of-favor Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi have pressed their attack on the strategically important western city of Misratah, despite the regime's promise of cesefire.

Forces loyal to Colonel Gaddafi entered the city of Misratah on Friday, after warplanes again bombed the city.

Explosions and gunfire have also been heard in the capital, Tripoli.

Earlier, Libyan Foreign Minister Mussa Kussa declared an immediate ceasefire and halt to all military operations in the country.

Kussa said the Libyan government would respect a resolution passed by the United Nations Security Council on Thursday.

The UN resolution backed all necessary measures to stop Gaddafi's troops from attacking opposition fighters, in addition to the imposition of a no-fly zone over Libya.

Some European countries have agreed to participate in a joint military operation against Libya.

However, other countries, including Russia have made clear that they will not participate.

Meanwhile, Gaddafi's regime has denied reports that it was continuing attacks on the western cities of Misratah and Zintan.

The embattled regime has asked Turkey, Malta and China to send observers to monitor the ceasefire.

"We are in contact with Turkey, Malta and China and we have asked them to send observers to monitor the ceasefire," a Libyan official told AFP on condition of anonymity.

Reports widely indicate that the regime-led violence in the country has left thousands of protesters dead over the past several weeks.

LW - Gaddafi must be wondering just when the hell reinforcement are going to arrive. Guess they're still fueling up the jets and loading the ammo.
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Post by: wag on March 18, 2011, 06:20:15 PM
Libya bombs civilians despite ceasefire
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This is a highly photoshopped picture:  http://errorlevelanalysis.com/permalink/8470eea/ (http://errorlevelanalysis.com/permalink/8470eea/)  But the sky is real.

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Post by: Rudi Jan on March 18, 2011, 11:14:26 PM
Italy backs military action on Libya

Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:59AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170664.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170664.html)

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Italian soldiers (file photo)

Italy has expressed full support for plans to take military action against Libya as Italian ministers pledged their backing and a parliamentary committee voted to authorize the use of airbases and other assets.

Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini, who as recently as Wednesday had ruled out the military action, said Rome supported the Security Council resolution authorizing airstrikes, reported Reuters.

He further pointed out that Italy, which has some of the closest available airbases to Libya, would play its full part.

"The Italian decision is not just full support for the resolution but also the necessity of participating actively," he told a Senate committee hearing.

Italy, the former colonial power in Libya, was one of Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi's best friends in Europe prior to the turmoil and was the biggest foreign importer of Libyan oil.

Italian Defense Minister Ignazio La Russa said seven bases in Italy -- at Amendola, Gioia del Colle, Sigonella, Aviano, Trapani, Decimomannu and Pantelleria -- were available and some allies had already asked to use them.

Five of them are on the southern mainland or Sicily, putting them within easy striking distance of the Libyan capital, Tripoli.

He also suggested that Naples, where NATO has its southern European headquarters, could be the center of operations.

He also explained that the bases would be offered "without restriction" and said Italy, which has some 3,815 troops in NATO's operation in war-torn Afghanistan, would also be able to provide other assets.

"We certainly have a strong capacity to neutralize radars of any potential adversaries," he opined.

"We can intervene in any manner, apart, of course, from any land intervention," he further said.

LW - I'll bet Berlusconi is pleased with this turn of events. That should take the heat off him till his trial In April.
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Post by: mallard on March 19, 2011, 03:17:34 AM
Quoting LoneWolf re: to laconas:

"I'm becoming more and more convinced that you their agent at the least."

In the case of laconas' words on the Ghadafi situation taken at face value ... as a face-value type of Jew punching bag the colonel's been, especially considering how the MSM and Team Z's Washington Beltway puppeteers & puppets do druel over blaming him [Ghadafi not laconas] for so much of Moussad 'adoings' ... him meanwhile calling the domestic opposition 'al-Qaeda-linked' ... I can only request we put our suspicions on hold pending further, [likely slow meltdown] news information.  This Libya war-of-theater gig has got Hollywood-scripted deep do-do written all over it, in my humiliated opinion.

As counter-group-concensus as it seems ... to reflect: "Even if Ghadafy were a Jew ... so what?"  He's their toxic assets blame sink.  He's like Bernie Madoff, other side of the yin/yang coin.  We never hear about the Madoff fan club, but we do know there must be one ... given that amount of 'missing' money.

its the talking hand thing that ... betrays him
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That's a serious call about a 'major' poster, though, and I don't mean to step on it, but quote you to bring it out, of course.  At the same time, if laconas is a Zionist plant, you'll have to admit he's too good at it ... to believe!
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Post by: dominique on March 19, 2011, 08:57:09 AM
We now interrupt this very important discussion to let you guys know that it's now "ON" in Libya.
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Post by: Spahi on March 19, 2011, 09:22:22 AM
This Libya war-of-theater gig has got Hollywood-scripted deep do-do written all over it, in my humiliated opinion.

Over 30 years of showing angry guys in turbans and killing mooselimbs on the tv. No one will ever question it.
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Post by: Vidarr on March 19, 2011, 01:27:52 PM
I wondered why the jews would attack ghadafi if he is a jew too, but it could be explained by a sephardic versus ashkenazim rivalry..

I saw a rabbi state recently that originally the Sephardics despised the Ashkenazim and considered them even lower than Goyim.
This aversion apparantly works two ways. The Zio schmugs are predominantly Ashkenazim and are known to discriminate against sephardics in Israel and treat them as second class citizens.

Ghadafi appears to be a sephardic jew.  Which would explain while eventhough he's attacked by ashkenazim he will not forsake his judaic loyalty and call them jews.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on March 20, 2011, 04:15:23 AM
94 killed in Benghazi by Gaddafi forces

Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:41AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170882.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170882.html)

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A Libyan anti-government protester

At least 94 people have been killed and many others have been injured as forces loyal to Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi intensify attacks on eastern Libyan city of Benghazi.

According to medics, more than 94 people were killed in an assault launched two days ago on the opposition-held Libyan city of Benghazi, AFP reported on Sunday.

Benghazi, held since February by Libyan opposition forces, came under heavy artillery fire and airstrikes on Saturday from several sides by forces loyal to the embattled ruler.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on March 20, 2011, 04:19:03 AM
Iran cautions on military hit on Libya

Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:35AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170879.html

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Iranian Foreign Ministry Spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast

Iranian Foreign Ministry Spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast warns of the US-led war alliance's airstrikes and ship-launched missile attacks against Libya, insisting on Iran's position in defense of popular demands.

“The stance of the Islamic Republic of Iran has always been based on support for people of any country and their legitimate demands,” Mehmanparast said on Sunday.

He raised doubts about the true objectives of “dominant powers” in occupying other countries, saying, “These powers usually enter the scene under the pretext of supporting people.”

“However, they are pursuing their own interests which are based on dominance over other nations, the establishment of military bases and continuation of colonialism in its modern form,” the spokesman emphasized.

Mehmanparast urged regional countries that are faced with “great developments” to remain vigilant and persist on their demands while blocking foreigners from dominating over their territory.

Foreign forces launched airstrikes against Libya after officials of a number of countries meeting in Paris on Saturday ordered a large-scale military intervention into Libya in order to end the assault on Libyan civilians launched by the country's embattled ruler Muammar Gaddafi's forces.

Representatives of the United States, Britain, France, the United Arab Emirates, and Qatar attended the meeting.

Libyan state media have reported that at least 48 people have been killed in the attacks.

In response to the US-led war on Libya, Gaddafi described the attacks early on Sunday as a "barbaric, unjustified Crusaders' aggression" and pledged to take revenge.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on March 20, 2011, 04:33:37 AM
Ghadafi appears to be a sephardic jew.  Which would explain while even though he's attacked by ashkenazim he will not forsake his judaic loyalty and call them jews.

A good point, though I think that even if he were ashkenazi they are quite willing to sacrifice him for the reason that they had concluded that things were not going well for him. Unlike Egypt where they managed to forestall the revolution by having Mubarak leave and quickly handing over power to his 'successors'  Gadaffi refused to go. He made it impossible for them to shuffle things around to placate the people with appearances of change. They probably felt that it necessary to intervene in order to grab power before the revolutionaries could do so. World opinion seems to count for very little now that their hold on the western powers is sufficiently strong though their control of the upper hierarchies, the media and the politicians. I'm quite sure that they know that even though there might be considerable outrage in the west over such naked aggression they could care less. If lies, deceit and force worked in Iraq with no real opposition fro the people then it would work again in Bahrain, and now, Libya. Besides it serves their purposes to show us all just how extensive is the power of the Zionist lobby and to reinforce the psychological propaganda that 'resistance is futile'.
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Post by: Zampan0 on March 20, 2011, 06:15:38 AM
Paul Craig Roberts on the War With Libya.
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Post by: Jan Robertson on March 20, 2011, 08:29:44 AM
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23741

All Out War on Libya, Surge in the Price of Crude Oil... "

Humanitarian Wars are Good for Business".... Speculators Applaud....

PART III

The establishment of a no fly zone is on the drawing board of the Pentagon. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states, supported by the Arab League and  the Organization for African Unity (OUA) have labelled Libya as "An Unfriendly Nation". 

The scenario envisaged by Washington is to involve Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states in aerial attacks directed against Libya.

They have also called on Saudi Arabia to supply opposition forces with weapons.

Reports confirm that NATO special forces and military advisers to the rebellion are on the ground in Eastern Libya.     


The geopolitical and economic implications of a US-NATO led military intervention directed against Libya are far-reaching.

Libya is among the World's largest oil economies with approximately 3.5% of global oil reserves, more than twice those of the US.

A war on Libya would have an immediate impact on the price of crude oil. The latter has risen by 18 percent since the beginning of the insurrection in Libya.

It currently stands at $104.42  a barrel for April delivery on the New York Mercantile Exchange, its highest level since the financial crash of September 2008. Since August 2010, the price of crude oil has risen from 75.93 a barrel to 104.42 (March 2011), a hefty increase of  37.5 percent.

A war directed against Libya would push the price of crude oil up to abysmally high levels, potentially triggering a global inflationary spiral, which would result in the impoverishment of large sectors of the World population.

A sizeable increase in the price of oil over a prolonged period would wreak economic havoc: production and transportation costs would increase dramatically. Hikes in the costs of fuel and energy would trigger a renewed string of bankruptcies in major sectors of economic activity. They would also contribute to a sizeable increase in the external debt of developing countries.

These price hikes, which are already ongoing, would occur despite the abysmally low costs of  Middle East oil.


What this means is that powerful institutional speculators on Wall Street with links to the US military and intelligence establishment will cash in on billions of dollars in speculative gains not only in the oil market but also in the commodity and foreign exchange markets.

This money is appropriated from households which must now pay a higher price for fuel. 

A "humanitarian war" would be "good for business". It serves the interests of the institutional speculators, it contributes to a further process of appropriation of money wealth.

Financial institutions which had prior knowledge or intelligence of events in Egypt and Libya have already made billions of dollars in speculative gains in the futures and options markets for crude oil. 

These global financial and banking institutions, which "placed their bets" several months ago, have "a vested interest in war".  The greater the turmoil and disruption of the crude oil market, the greater the speculative gains. Short term speculative gains due to market volatility are also part of this process. Foreknowledge of the sequence of political or military events and how they affect markets as well as control and/or manipulation of financial news pertaining to these events are an essential part of the betting process.   

In this regard we are dealing the with workings of the World's commodity exchanges, the most important of which is the powerful CME Group created following the merger of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange (CME), the Chicago Board of Trade (CBOT) and the New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX).

[Click to watch Prof. Chossudovsky's statement on GRTV]

Political Rumors and Fake Information

The spreading of rumors and fake information is also a profitable undertaking particularly in relation to short-term movements of commodity markets: 

...a rumor that Libya's long-time ruler Muammar Gaddafi had been shot tore across the commodities market, sending U.S. crude oil futures down more than two percent. Other rumors have had similar immediate and sweeping effects, even without real changes in actual oil production or reserves. The cause is oil speculators, such as hedge funds, who buy and sell commodities, profiting by betting on short-term price changes.

These traders are making money on quick movement, wagering on rumors and market blips. They are buying and quickly re-selling commodities they have no intention of actually holding or using. Their opportunism is once again hitting working-class families across the country, increasing the burden on small business owners and farmers,.... (Rep. Joe Courtney: Market Speculators and the Real Cost of Oil, Huffington Post, March 16, 2011)

Economic Sanctions

Economic sanctions have been imposed by the US on Libya thereby creating havoc in the supply of Libyan oil to the European Union. These sanctions are indirectly targeted at the European Union. They contribute to weakening Italy and France, which are heavily dependent on Libyan oil.   

Libyan oil trade has virtually been paralysed as banks decline to clear payments in dollars due to U.S. sanctions (Reuters, February 8, 2011) "The move follows a decision by major U.S. oil firms to halt trade with Libya and makes it almost impossible for European firms to buy Libyan oil and supply refineries in countries such as France and Italy.

Banks have been instructed [by Wall Street and Washington] to freeze financial transactions: "Banks don't want to finance the system in Libya, so for the moment no one is getting money for oil. There are big problems for payments," said a senior trader with a European oil company.

"It's not a matter of choice, there is an embargo on U.S. dollars coming in and out of Libya," said a trader with one of the firms, referring to banks' resistance to clear payments in the U.S. currency.

"All U.S. dollar transactions are being blocked," the trader said, adding it was not clear at this stage if payments were possible in other currencies and whether any Swiss or European banks were willing to conclude transactions. (Libyan oil trade paralysed, deals in dollars blocked | Energy & Oil | Reuters, 8 February 2011)

Economic Impacts of a US-NATO Military Operation

If this military operation is carried out, oil prices will spiral, contributing to further exacerbating the economic crisis with devastating social consequences, particularly in the Europe Union, which is heavily dependent on Libyan oil.

The hikes in oil prices contribute to increased poverty, they also contribute to a concurrent increase in global food prices (which are also the object of speculative activity on the commodity exchanges) and more generally in the cost of living Worldwide. i.e the consumer price index.

 
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Post by: Jan Robertson on March 20, 2011, 08:50:17 AM

Just one more step to world domination and the securing of the oil distribution.

What's the betting that the Saudis were promised a controlling interest if they joined in the fray against their Muslim brothers!!

As usual their timing was impeccable ... They have the plans in place and then sit like vultures around their prey waiting for a major calamity to move in for the feast..

Now you all have the chance to watch the real pollution spread around the Pacific region, curtesy of the Japanese tragedy as they throw a pittance of help and aid to contain the reactors.
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Post by: laconas on March 20, 2011, 09:34:01 AM
Oil has been taking a beating in the markets ever since the Japanese earthquake.  Apparently the earthquake was not expected, and thus the media had to quickly ramp up a frontal assault on nuclear energy in general, ...while it also appears now that jews likely bombed and sabotaged the Fukushima plant (read this:  http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php/topic,20582.msg186798/topicseen.html#msg186798 (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php/topic,20582.msg186798/topicseen.html#msg186798)).  The motive for this attack on Libya at this time (clearly rushed) is likely an attempt to salvage a whole lot of jew money invested in short-term oil profits.  Let's watch oil and where this "war" actually goes. 

Andrea Mitchell on NBC said regardless of the situation in Libya before, we're in there now and have no choice but to finish the job.
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Post by: Father Brown on March 20, 2011, 10:36:32 AM
Andrea Mitchell on NBC said regardless of the situation in Libya before, we're in there now and have no choice but to finish the job.

What a dame!

But, she really must do something about those pockmarks on her face. Cant' they find a thicker grade of putty to apply to it?
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Post by: laconas on March 20, 2011, 01:11:20 PM
What a dame!

But, she really must do something about those pockmarks on her face. Cant' they find a thicker grade of putty to apply to it?

I wonder what causes potholes?
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Post by: Rudi Jan on March 21, 2011, 11:22:56 AM
UK, allies seeking Libya regime change

Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:55PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/171082.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/171082.html)

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LW - The 'new' young turks discussing the size of their egos.

Britain, US and France have invaded Libya to topple Muammar Qaddafi's regime, says an international relations expert.

In an interview with state-run Russia Today satellite TV, Mark Almond of Bilkent University, Turkey said UK Prime Minister David Cameron, French President Nicolas Sarkozy and US President Barack Obama had made it clear that they wanted to overthrow the North African country's regime.

“They wish to do so by assisting the revolutionary forces against Qaddafi on the ground.”

The bombing campaign unleashed against the Libyan dictator is going ahead with the UK's RAF Tornado jets and Tomahawk missiles attacking targets inside Libya to enforce UN Security Council resolution 1973, which called for a no-fly zone over Libya and the defense of the Libyan civilians.

UK Defense Secretary Liam Fox told state-run BBC on Sunday that the Libyan dictator himself was a legitimate target for allied forces.

US Defence Secretary Robert Gates immediately slapped down Fox's comments, telling reporters on a flight to Russia that it would be "unwise" to have coalition forces try to kill Qaddafi.

Amid dwindling support for the West's military intervention in Libya, Britain's defense chief said he hoped the command of the military operation in Libya would be taken over by NATO “within the next few days.”

When asked about the possibility of targeting Qaddafi, UK Foreign Secretary William Hague said, "I'm not going to speculate on the targets... that depends on the circumstances at the time.”

He had previously insisted that the UN Security Council resolution “is not about regime change," saying that while Britain wanted to see Qaddafi leave power, "what we will do militarily is to enforce the United Nations resolution".

LW - “They wish to do so by assisting the revolutionary forces against Qaddafi on the ground.”... sure they are, but cutting off the head of the beast is simply not to be mentioned.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on March 21, 2011, 11:31:18 AM
US-led forces reject Gaddafi ceasefire

Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:57PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/171083.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/171083.html)

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Libyan opposition fighters south of Benghazi on March 21, 2011

The US-led Western coalition conducting a military operation over Libya has rejected a ceasefire declared by the Muammar Gaddafi regime.

The coalition accuses Tripoli of lying about the new ceasefire which was declared on Sunday night.

US President Barack Obama's national security aide Tom Donilon says the new ceasefire 'isn't true' or has been 'immediately violated.'

"So we'll continue to monitor Gaddafi's actions, not just his words, and continue our efforts to enforce the terms of the United Nations Security Council resolution 1973," he said.

However, Colonel Gaddafi's loyalists have accused the US-led coalition of violating a new ceasefire.

"The other parties have not respected the ceasefire. Bombs and missiles continue to target Libya as the al-Qaeda terrorists also continue their attacks," Libya's state agency quoted officials as saying.

"The bombs and missiles of the aggressors have killed dozens of civilians at a time when Libya is respecting a total ceasefire,” they added.

Early on Monday, French fighter jets resumed air patrols over Libya to enforce a no-fly zone authorized by the UN Security Council.

This comes as Paris joined Washington and London in insisting that the goal of the US-led military campaign is not to eliminate the embattled Libyan leader.

On Sunday night, explosions rocked Libya's capital city as the US-led forces staged fresh airstrikes.

One of the raids flattened a building in Gaddafi's residence, which is said to have been his command and control center.

Reports say Gaddafi's son Khamis has died of burns apparently sustained earlier in one of the strikes. However, the Libyan government has denied reports. Khamis leads the 32nd brigade of the Libyan armed forces.

Meanwhile, Libya's revolutionary forces say Gaddafi forces have killed at least eleven people in the city of Misratah.

Dozens of civilians have been killed in Libya since the US, Britain, France and some other Western countries launched their attacks on the North African country.

Arab League chief Amr Moussa said on Monday that the invasion was in violation of Resolution 1973, which calls for protection of civilians.

"What is happening in Libya differs from the aim of imposing a no-fly zone, and what we want is the protection of civilians and not the bombardment of more civilians," he said.

LW - after all that work getting this invasion off the planning boards... hell, no, we can't stop now.
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Post by: Zampan0 on March 21, 2011, 08:36:44 PM
I'm not sure what this means other than seeing that all Chinese are evacuated from Libya, but if I were an US admiral I would have to resign before following any order to threaten this frigate.  It would be suicidal for for even a US carrier to assault it, it's carrying 'sunburn' missiles and imo it would use them.
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Post by: Sue on March 21, 2011, 09:25:42 PM
I'm not sure what this means other than seeing that all Chinese are evacuated from Libya, but if I were an US admiral I would have to resign before following any order to threaten this frigate.  It would be suicidal for for even a US carrier to assault it, it's carrying 'sunburn' missiles and imo it would use them.
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Quite formidable. China, strutting her stuff!


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Post by: solmax on March 21, 2011, 10:26:46 PM
Obama was given his marching orders on the Ides of March by Neocons demanding war with Libya.

Foreign Policy Experts Urge President to Take Action to Halt Violence in Libya
March 15, 2011  

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Forty-six former U.S. government officials, human rights and democracy advocates, and foreign policy experts expressed concern Tuesday regarding the ongoing crisis in Libya, urging President Obama to: urgently institute a no fly zone over key Libyan cities and towns recognize the Libyan National Transitional Council, and explore the possibility of targeted strikes against Qaddafi regime assets.

The bipartisan group references the President’s statements from his inaugural address where he declared, “America is a friend of each nation and every man, woman and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity.” Echoing the President’s words, the group notes that American inaction will lead to additional civilian causalities in Libya and will send the wrong message to those seeking freedom elsewhere.

Many of the signatories signed a previous letter to President Obama on February 25th calling on the President to provide clear U.S. leadership on Libya and noting the danger of delay and indecisiveness.

The signatories include Foreign Policy Initiative Directors Eric Edelman, Robert Kagan, William Kristol, and Dan Senor as well as former human rights and foreign policy officials and other experts.  


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The Honorable Barack Obama
President of the United States
The White House
Washington, DC  

March 15, 2011

Dear President Obama:

Regrettably, the international community has yet to take serious action to prevent a moral and humanitarian catastrophe in Libya and the Libyan opposition is now on the defensive.  As forces loyal to Muammar Qaddafi push eastward, we are concerned that the brutal and indiscriminate tactics of government forces could lead to additional civilian casualties.  

On Saturday, the Arab League endorsed Libyan opposition calls for a no fly zone.  We call on you to urgently institute a no fly zone over key Libyan cities and towns in conjunction with U.S. allies.  We also call on you to explore the option of targeted strikes against regime assets in an effort to prevent further bloodshed.  The United States should also immediately recognize the Libyan National Transitional Council and take all necessary actions to support their efforts to unseat the Qaddafi regime.

In your inaugural address two years ago, you said this: "And so to all other peoples and governments who are watching today, from the grandest capitals to the small village where my father was born:  Know that America is a friend of each nation and every man, woman and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity, and that we are ready to lead once more."

Today the United States and its allies should stand with the men, women and children of Libya who seek a future of peace and dignity.  The situation in Libya in the coming days will not just impact the Libyan people.  As protests continue against repressive regimes around the world, the message currently being conveyed by our inaction is that killing and repression will go unpunished and are the best option for despots seeking to postpone reform.  

For the sake of our security as well as America’s credibility with people who seek freedom everywhere, we ask you to act as quickly as possible to ensure that the people of Libya – and the world – know that we are willing to back up our principles with action.

Sincerely,


 Fouad Ajami Ash Jain Randy Scheunemann

 Stephen E. Biegun Ken Jensen Gary J. Schmitt

 Max Boot Robert Kagan Dan Senor

 Ellen Bork Lawrence Kaplan Henry Sokolski

 Paul Bremer David Kramer Whit Stillman

 Scott Carpenter  Irina Krasovskaya  William Taft

 Elizabeth Cheney William Kristol Marc Thiessen

 Eliot Cohen Tod Lindberg Daniel Twining

 Seth Cropsey Michael Makovsky Kurt Volker

 Thomas Donnelly Ann Marlowe Peter Wehner

 Michele Dunne Cliff May Ken Weinstein

 Eric Edelman Joshua Muravchik Leon Wieseltier

 Jamie Fly Michael O'Hanlon Rich Williamson

 Reuel Marc Gerecht  Martin Peretz Damon Wilson

 William Inboden Danielle Pletka
 

 Bruce Pitcairn Jackson John Podhoretz
Title: - - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
Post by: laconas on March 21, 2011, 11:05:30 PM
Really? Are you talking about a ground invasion? With all those still-unknown land-mines all over the Sahara? Hell, they can't even get supplies overland into Libya from Egypt - let alone soldiers.

We don't exactly what route they took, but we already know they did when they initially made their first hits in Benghazi. We don't know exactly who the small force was comprised of, but a good guess would be British SAS along with Arab mercenaries. The first hits in Benghazi against Libyan soldiers and Libyan police were quick and precise and not the work of locals with hunting rifles, not to mention obvious supplies for TV pictures such as thousand of brand new pre-1969 Libyan flags .
Title: - - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
Post by: laconas on March 21, 2011, 11:15:58 PM
It's always hard to tell if jews plan a multi-step orchestration, or if they're just shooting from the whip at one thing and then the next.

The question for me when everyone was cheering on the the people's revolution in Egypt was -- come on, really, what is this really about? It's not an accident that this liberation in Libya and the coming liberation of the Sudan are on Egypt's borders.
Title: * Morning Brief: American jet crashes in Libya
Post by: Sue on March 22, 2011, 10:29:46 AM
A U.S. fighter jet crashed in Libya during its overnight
sorties, likely due to a mechanical failure.


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Posted By David Kenner Tuesday, March 22, 2011~ Source (http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/720921)

One of the jet's crew members has already been recovered by coalition forces, while the other is "in the process of recovery," according to an American military spokesman. Where the plane crashed in the country remains unclear.

The international assault on Libyan leader Muammar al-Qaddafi's forces continued, but has so far been unsuccessful in forcing them to abandon their assault on rebel-controlled areas in the west of the country. A rebel spokesman said that Qaddafi's forces had killed 40 people and wounded 189 in the western city of Misurata, and that their artillery strikes had destroyed a mosque in the neighboring city of Zintan.

In the eastern city of Ajdabiya, the rebel advance was stalled by tank and artillery fire from government troops that control the entrance to the city. Fighters confirmed that at least eight rebels were killed in the day's fighting.

The international intervention in Libya also ran into a number of difficulties on the international stage Tuesday. China, India, and Brazil renewed their calls for an end to foreign intervention in Libya, and the implementation of a ceasefire. And at NATO headquarters on Monday, the allies failed to come to an agreement on how to proceed after the United States steps back from a leading role. British Prime Minister David Cameron said that responsibility for the no-fly zone would be transferred to NATO, but French Foreign Minister Alan Juppe rejected the idea, saying that the Arab League opposed it.

Afghan regions to transition away from foreign control: Afghan President Hamid Karzai named seven areas in the country where foreign troops would shift control to local Afghan forces this summer.



Asia

   * Workers finished laying power cables to Japan's stricken nuclear reactor, but more testing is needed
      before electricity is restored.
 
   * The U.S. army apologized for photos of its soldiers grinning over the corpses of Afghan civilians.
   
   * China rejected a claim by Google that it is disrupting access to Google's mail service across the
      country.

Middle East

    * The four New York Times journalists held for six days by Qaddafi's forces gave an account of their
       captivity.

    * Israel launched air strikes into the Gaza Strip, injuring at least 17 people.

    * Former Israeli President Moshe Katsav was jailed for seven years for rape and other offenses.

Europe

    * Russian President Dmitry Medvedev rebuked Prime Minister Vladimir Putin for comparing the
       international intervention in Libya to the Crusades.

    * The Ukrainian government opened an investigation into former President Leonid Kuchma's role
       in the murder of a journalist.

    * Approximately 5,500 refugees have fled from Tunisia and other North African countries to the
       Italian island of Lampedusa.

Americas

    * President Barack Obama visited Chile as part of his Latin America trip, calling for a new relationship
       between the United States and the region.

    * Guatemala's president and first lady filed for divorce so that she could run to succeed him.

    * Haiti began counting the votes in its presidential run-off election.

Africa

    * The leaders of several African countries, including Uganda, South Africa, and Zimbabwe, criticized
       the foreign intervention in Libya.

    * Thousands of supporters of the Ivory Coast's disputed President Llaurent Gbagbo gathered to
       enlist in his army.

    * A plane crashed in Congo-Brazzaville, killing at least 16 people.

View here: http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/720921
Title: Re: * Morning Brief: American jet crashes in Libya
Post by: Sue on March 22, 2011, 10:42:41 AM
Only 2 weeks ago: Is China a definite 'no' on no-fly zone?

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Posted By Joshua Keating ~ Tuesday, March 8, 2011 ~ Source (http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/08/is_china_a_definite_no_on_no_fly_zone)

The Russian government has already voiced its opposition to imposing a no-fly zone on Libya, and it has generally been assumed that China -- the other half of the U.N. Security Council's sovereignty caucus -- would be strongly against the idea as well.

But the Financial Times' Daniel Dombey seems to detect some wiggle room in Beijing's rhetoric:

Beijing said on Tuesday it would urge countries “to settle the conflict and calm the situation through dialogue and other peaceful means”, according to Jiang Yu, a foreign ministry spokeswoman.

The announcement is likely to encourage western planners who are stepping up preparations for a no-fly zone.

Ivo Daalder, US ambassador to Nato, said on Monday the alliance could impose such a measure by the end of the week, although he added that the US would also seek a UN Security Council resolution.

Ms Jiang said Chinese support in the security council for action beyond sanctions “depends on whether it helps Libya to return to stability as soon as possible”.

She added: “In the decision-making process, we believe, Libya’s sovereignty, territorial integrity and independence should be respected.”

That's not exactly a ringing endorsement, though it is a bit less forceful in opposition than one might expect. Then again, the Chinese delegation may figure that with Russia putting its foot down against "superfluous" intervention, they can afford to be a bit circumspect.
Title: Re: * Morning Brief: American jet crashes in Libya ~ March Madness
Post by: wag on March 22, 2011, 11:21:51 AM
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The color red is processed differently so it is harder to tell when it is photoshopped (probably why they usually use red for this).  But the sign itself was not part of the original photo according to this.

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Title: Re: * Morning Brief: American jet crashes in Libya
Post by: Sue on March 22, 2011, 11:26:59 AM
Does the World Belong in Libya's War?

Foreign Policy's crack team of international experts debate whether
Washington, London, and Paris were right to step in.


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MARCH 18, 2011 (Only last Friday)

Just several days into their jointly led operation to enforce a no-fly zone over Libya, the United States, France, and Britain have already faced significant controversy. The African Union called for an immediate end to the attacks; the Arab League's secretary, Amr Moussa, said on Sunday that air strikes were not what he had expected, though he later reaffirmed the League's commitment to a no-fly zone.*

Yet by all measures Thursday's U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973, which authorizes international intervention into Libya to protect civilians, is still historic -- the first time the world has pursued humanitarian intervention so boldly since the Rwandan genocide. The resolution calls for "all necessary measures to protect civilians under threat of attack in the country." Speaking in a televised address on Friday, U.S. President Barack Obama also explained his position largely in humanitarian terms: If the world failed to intervene, he said, "The democratic values that we stand for would be overrun. Moreover, the words of the international community would be rendered hollow."

With events moving quickly on the ground, only time will tell how effective international powers will be at quelling the fighting. But one question will remain long after gunfire stops: Does the world belong inside Libya's revolution?

Just several days into their jointly led operation to enforce a no-fly zone over Libya, the United States, France, and Britain have already faced significant controversy. The African Union called for an immediate end to the attacks; the Arab League's secretary, Amr Moussa, said on Sunday that air strikes were not what he had expected, though he later reaffirmed the League's commitment to a no-fly zone.*

Yet by all measures Thursday's U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973, which authorizes international intervention into Libya to protect civilians, is still historic -- the first time the world has pursued humanitarian intervention so boldly since the Rwandan genocide. The resolution calls for "all necessary measures to protect civilians under threat of attack in the country." Speaking in a televised address on Friday, U.S. President Barack Obama also explained his position largely in humanitarian terms: If the world failed to intervene, he said, "The democratic values that we stand for would be overrun. Moreover, the words of the international community would be rendered hollow."

With events moving quickly on the ground, only time will tell how effective international powers will be at quelling the fighting. But one question will remain long after gunfire stops: Does the world belong inside Libya's revolution?



The modus operandi is always the same, nothing has changed. The Big Corporatist body nowadays has huge funds and even more sophisticated tools.   
Title: Re: * Morning Brief: American jet crashes in Libya ~ March Madness
Post by: Sue on March 22, 2011, 12:06:26 PM
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March Madness: Democrats vs. Dictators (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/03/17/march_madness_democrats_vs_dictators)

Game 1

Barack Obama vs. Stephen Harper


Despite the U.S. president's seemingly ambivalent response to the events in Libya -- and the strange timing of his trip to Latin America during crises in the Middle East and East Asia -- it was U.S. support that pushed the intervention forward. Despite doubling down in Afghanistan, this really is Obama's war, and a reminder of the central role U.S. power still plays in global geopolitics. Canada -- while involved -- is not quite so central. Obama wins easily.

Game 2

Nicolas Sarkozy vs. Angela Merkel


As they have so many times before, Sarkozy's political fortunes seemed on the ropes a few weeks ago, with his government reeling from scandals regarding political ties to the ousted Ben Ali regime in Tunisia. But his forceful campaigning for intervention in Libya may yet save his hide. As one French diplomat told the Guardian, "The French do like to have their president play world statesman." The stolid Merkel meanwhile, normally not prone to rash decisions, appears to be floundering on the question of Germany's nuclear future after reversing an earlier decision to build new reactors. Sarkozy wins in an upset.

Game 3

Silvio Berlusconi vs. David Cameron


Confronted with his first major international crisis, Cameron appears to be leading -- pulling the more reluctant United States into yet another military engagement (even though Britain now lacks even a single aircraft carrier). Berlusconi's government, meanwhile, seems to be playing both sides -- supporting intervention of Italy's former colony, while keeping open its business links in Tripoli. As if that wasn't bad enough, the prime minister even called his own...er...personal performance into question recently, saying "I am 75 years old...even if I am a rascal, 33 girls in two months seems to me to be too many." We were pulling for another round of bunga-bunga jokes, but: Cameron wins.

Game 4

Jacob Zuma vs. Julia Gillard


Gillard's flagship carbon-tax plan saw a bounce in support this week, raising the Australian prime minister's fortunes. South Africa's government voted -- against most of its fellow rising powers -- to support the intervention in Libya, though Zuma seems deeply ambivalent about it and new questions are being raised about his relationship with Qaddafi. The land from down under takes this one over the Rainbow Nation. Gillard wins.

Game 5

Muammar al-Qaddafi vs. Ali Abdullah Saleh


Close call. Two embattled dictators took the court, and neither was afraid to break out the guns. Despite employing similarly brutal repressive measures against protesters, Saleh has managed to avoid the international airstrikes suffered by Qaddafi. On the other hand, the Yemeni president's people are running for the hills after the defection of three senior military officials. Neither may be long for this world, but the Mad Dog certainly knows how to play the game. Qaddafi wins, barely.

Game 6

King Abdullah vs. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad


With two other pro-American Sunni dictatorships -- Tunisia and Egypt -- having bitten the dust in recent weeks, the ailing king can't be feeling so great about his regional influence these days, and recent moves - sending troops into Bahrain and announcing new stimulus spending in response to domestic protests, don't speak of overwhelming confidence. Across, the Persian Gulf, on the other hand, the Saudi intervention in Bahrain and the international strikes on Libya have given Ahmadinejad a brand new set of talking points. Ahmadinejad wins, in a nasty match.

Game 7

Omar al-Bashir vs. Robert Mugabe


The first of two battles of African despots demonstrates that sometimes giving up some power is the best way to hold onto it. The growing chaos in Southern Sudan is surely to the liking of the northern Sudanese leader, whose decision to cut the south loose is appearing more and more shrewd. And, so far, he hasn't started a civil war, so he gets points for restraint. Meanwhile, the increasingly irrelevant Mugabe is calling Western powers "vampires" over the attack on Libya; a rhetorical tactic unlikely to distract from his own country's political chaos and economic distress. Bashir wins this one.

Game 8

Laurent Gbagbo vs. Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo


The persistent Gbagbo just won't go, having recently bolstered his forces with thousands of new recruits. While troops loyal to his rival (and the legitimate president of Ivory Coast), Allasane Ouattara, appear to be gaining ground, Gbagbo stands to benefit from the fact that the international community's attention is almost entirely focused on Libya right now. Meanwhile, Obiang is reportedly suffering from TK cancer, while his family's spending splurge continues: his son, Teodorin bought a new $380 million yacht, further cementing Equatorial Guinea's reputation as the living embodiment of the resource curse. In this battle of playboy versus warlord, Gbagbo avoids a stalemate and holds on for the victory.     

Game 9

Felipe Calderon vs. Dilma Rousseff


The perception that Calderon's war on drugs is failing isn't likely to be helped much after he forced the U.S. ambassador to Mexico to resign for saying as much. In this clash of the Latin American titans, Mexico's looking weak. Meanwhile, Brazil's laid claim to the upcoming 2014 World Cup and 2016 Olympics, and is looking to the future. Rousseff had what appeared to be a friendly meeting with Obama and won an acknowledgement -- if not an outright endorsement, of the country's security council hopes. Rousseff wins, olé, olé, olé, olé!     

Game 10

Christina Fernandez de Kirchner vs. Juan Manuel Santos


Neither Latin leader won a stopover from Obama -- particularly surprising in the case of Santos' Colombia -- but their political fortunes are heading in very different directions. Colombia's credit rating was raised this week, good news for Santos's ambition to win the country OECD membership. On the other extreme, new WikiLeaks cables suggest that the G-20 considered suspending Argentina's membership over Kirchner's erratic behavior and the country's "mafia"-style protectionism. Santos wins.

Game 11

Manmohan Singh vs. Lee Myung-bak


Despite the massive corruption scandals in India's ruling party, Singh appears oddly above it all, with seemingly little risk of losing his position and widespread support among the electorate. Lee spent most of this week trying to convince his country they weren't at risk for radiation poisoning from Japan's Fukushima nuclear reactor and accepted an environmental prize from the ruling family of the United Arab Emirates, not a country normally known for its green ways. Singh gets the victory.

Game 12

Ban Ki-moon vs. Anders Fogh Rasmussen


Rasmussen has certainly been part of the Libya discussion, but it remains unclear whether NATO will eventually take control of the military operation. Meanwhile, the bureaucratic Ban finally looks like he has his act together: United Nations has rarely seemed more relevant to world events after the most highly anticipated Security Council session in years. But the secretary general may have opened a Pandora's Box he can't close. Ban wins, by meager consensus.

Game 13

Vladimir Putin vs. Aleksandr Lukashenko


In recent days, Putin has once again told off the entire international community and found time to play with an endangered snow leopard. Lukashenko earned himself yet another round of EU sanctions. Putin wins without even moving a muscle.

Game 14

Kim Jong Il vs. Than Shwe


As succession speculation grows in the run-up to next month's North Korean parliament meeting, heir apparent Kim Jong Un has won himself an invitation for an official visit to China -- a vote of confidence for the future of the Kim regime. Looks like the Dear Leader and his family still have the death grip on rule north of the 38th parallel. Meanwhile, in the armpit of Southeast Asia, Than Shwe (and his generals) maintain a firm grip on power -- despite having officially reverted to "civilian" status to contest recent elections. But we figure that in this battle of dictators, if you've gotta pretend to be a democrat it just ain't cutting it. Kim krushes.

Game 15

Hu Jintao vs. Gubanguly Berdimohammedov


Giant outdoor markets in the shapes of ancient carpets notwithstanding, this wasn't really a fair fight. Hu dat say dem gonna beat China?

Game 16

Hugo Chávez vs. The Castro Brothers


Chávez's staunch support for Qaddafi may be ill-advised in the long run, but at least he's sticking with his friends. Fidel Castro, meanwhile, showed some foresight by correctly predicting international military intervention in Libya -- though his notion that it's an American-led plot to steal Libya's oil might raise some objections in Foggy Bottom. But recent days have made it abundantly clear that Chávez has supplanted the Castros as the most prominent international voice of the Latin American left. Bring on the Socialist Arepas! Chávez wins one for the revolution.

And so... your Sweet 16 matchups are:

Game 17: Obama vs. Sarkozy

Game 18: Cameron vs. Gillard

Game 19: Rousseff vs. Santos

Game 20: Singh vs. Ban

Game 21: Qaddafi vs. Ahmadinejad

Game 22: Bashir vs. Gbagbo

Game 23: Putin vs. Kim

Game 24: Hu vs. Chavez





Again:

When the king sees that a revolution is inevitable, and cannot be "bought off" by concessions, the expedient thing to do is stage a pre-emptive revolution from the top of the power pyramid, making it appear to be run from the bottom of the power pyramid.

It's nothing new. In America, provoke the extreme right to mobilize the left, which is led by an extreme left run by the government (as is the extreme right).

What's not calculated in current machinations is the Law of Unintended Consequences.

It is so simple: The CIA has been doing this all along, that is their job.

The modus operandi is always the same, nothing has changed. The Big Corporatist body nowadays has HUGE funds and even more sophisticated tools.   
Title: Re: * Morning Brief: American jet crashes in Libya ~ March Madness
Post by: Sue on March 22, 2011, 01:01:06 PM
But the sign itself was not part of the original photo according to this.

Interesting!

Cons are as old as civilization, it got even better with our advanced technology.





Title: Re: * Morning Brief: American jet crashes in Libya
Post by: Sue on March 22, 2011, 01:19:51 PM
Petroleum and Empire in North Africa.
NATO Invasion of Libya Underway


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Are events unfolding in Libya, Tunisia and Egypt more about petro-terrorism or about freedom and democracy? How much oil is there in North Africa? Who is in control of that oil? What is the relationship between the West and Muamar Gaddafi? Is he really the terrorist we've all been led to believe he is? Who is the Libyan "opposition" and who are the "rebels" we read about?

Presented with this story are petroleum industry concessions maps ** for North Africa that people might want to ponder in between the Western propaganda on Libya. Amidst the full-court press of propaganda presented by the western media and State Department disinformation apparatus we find that Muamar Gaddafi is even accused of committing genocide against his own people. Are there double standards at work?

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An original photograph; backside text reads: Al Haji Amin (centre) is introducing military senior officers to his brother Col. Gaddafi, Chairman of the Revolutionary Command of Arab republic of Libya, shortly on arrival at Gulu Airfield [northern Uganda] to perform the official handing over of aircrafts to Uganda Airforce, March 3, 1974.

From the Halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli

On September 1, 1969 the pro-western regime that had ruled in Libya was overthrown by Colonel Muamar Gaddafi and his officers. At the time, Libya was home to the largest US Air Base (Wheelus Air Base) in North Africa. Agreements between the USA and Libya signed in 1951 and 1954 granted the USAF the use of Wheelus Air Base and its El Watia gunnery range for gunnery and bombing training and for transport and bombing stopovers until 1971. During the Cold War the base was pivotal to expanding US military power under the Strategic Air Command, and an essential base for fighter and reconnaissance missions. The Pentagon also used the base -- and the remote Libyan desert -- for missile launch testing: the launch area was located 15 miles east of Tripoli. Considered a 'little America on the shores of the Mediteranean', the base housed some 4600 US military personnel until its evacuation in 1970.

With the discovery of oil in Libya in 1959, a very poor desert country became a very rich little western protectorate. US and European companies had huge stakes in the extremely lucrative petroleum and banking sectors, but these were soon nationalized by Gaddafi. Thus Libya overnight joined the list of US 'enemy' or 'rogue' states that sought autonomy and self-determination outside the expanding sphere of western Empire. Further cementing western hatred of the new regime, Libya played a leading role of the 1973 oil embargo against the US and maintained cooperative relations with the Soviet Union. Gaddafi also reportedly channeled early oil wealth into national free health care and education.

Many of the concessions in Libya, Tunisia, Algeria and Egypt involve state-owned oil companies. The US/European/Israeli nexus seeks to dislodge state-ownership -- to whatever extent it actually exists -- and dislodge any Chinese workers or companies involved in the oil exploitation, and replace these with western companies and western agents.
Title: Re: * Morning Brief: American jet crashes in Libya
Post by: Sue on March 22, 2011, 01:21:26 PM
Link: http://immuni.org/trade/business-a-services/3515-petroleum-and-empire-in-north-africa-nato-invasion-of-libya-underway
Title: Re: * Morning Brief: American jet crashes in Libya
Post by: Sue on March 22, 2011, 02:55:30 PM
Gaddafi: A system of his own

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Friday 11 March 2011~ Hakeem Babalola ~ AfricaNews contributor in Budapest, Hungary

Source (http://www.africanews.com/site/list_message/3358)

Brother Leader Gaddafi. That is how I heard Libyans calling him --- throughout my three
days in Tripoli for a Historical African Migrants Conference in Europe which took place in
Tripoli on January 15. -- I was impressed to see an African leader being genuinely loved
by his people despite the fact that I was detained for 9 hours at the airport even though I
was officially invited.

But the first shock of my admiration came barely a month after my visit, as protests rock Gaddafi’s administration calling for his resignation. Gaddafi came to power on September 1, 1969 through a revolution by overthrowing King Idris 1, a pro-Western monarch, in a bloodless coup d’état.

Since then the man has been able to project himself as a passionate social reformer and Libyans as equal partner in making Libya a system of its own. Gaddafi has managed to demonstrate that, for a leader to be taken seriously he must lead by example. He has gradually convinced the sceptic that every country, and indeed Africa can be great – greater than any nation on this planet.

His passion for the unity of Africa has earned him many enemies among other African leaders who often suspect his motive for the establishment of a United State of Africa. He was instrumental for the revival of OAU (Organisation of African Unity) by changing it to AU (African Union)… He can as well be described as inconsistent. For example, he often talks about African Union but last year he was reported to have called for the breakup of Nigeria.

Gaddafi is outspoken – an outspoken critic of oppression; of colonial knavery; of Western and Arab slave exploitation. He recently apologised for Arab slavery in Africa. The west, especially America had once punished him and his people for his outspokenness.

In the 80’s

America under the guise of UN imposed sanctions on Libya in 1992 because of the Lockerbie bombing which killed 270 people in total on December 21 1988. The sanction was eventually lifted in September 2003. Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi who was jailed in 2001 for the crime was also released on August 201 2009 on health ground.

Earlier on April 15, 1986, the United States had bombed Libya, saying it was in response to the Berlin discotheque bombing. There were casualties and losses from both sides. Ronald Reagan, the 40th president of America described Gaddafi as a mad dog. Most people probably believed Mr. Reagan then because whatever came out of the White House was the holy truth. But now, we know something about propaganda, hypocrisy, double standard and what have you of America’s hegemony.

Who can you honestly call a mad dog knowing now what you did not know then? Your guess is as good as mine. Which country has elements of terrorism in its system? Your guess is as good as mine.

“The U.S must not reward those who join the war on terrorism because fighting that evil is not a service for the U.S. It is an act that serves one’s own interests. Who of us likes terrorism? Who of us would wish to live, or see his children and his country live, in a world where terrorism has free reign? Terrorism is a horrendous scourge.”

For reminder, I recently visited Libya for a three-day conference. Although the time I used in Libya is too short for a proper assessment of the country, I utilised the opportunity to get whatever I could in order to be able to extract some facts.

The situation in Libya has taught me that the vision and sincerity of a government/leader is much more valuable than the system of government. I do not know under what system to categorise Libya. You can say it’s a police state and you may be right; you can call it socialism and, or welfare state and you may be right; you can even say it is capitalism; even monarchy and so on and so forth.

What I found out during my three-day-stay in Tripoli is this: Almost every Libyan has roof over her head. Life expectancy is said to be over 70. Per capital income is about 12,000 dollars. It seems the rich and the “poor” eat the same kind of food. And there’s almost no beggar and homeless in Tripoli.

So seen the protest on cable TVs against Gadadafi’s government came to me as a shock. Although 40 years is too long for one man to preside the affairs of a country, I had relied so much on the notion that many Libyans are satisfied with the system. Oh, I had relied so much on the information I got from some foreigners in Libya as well as some citizens interviewed. Most of them spoke well of him and often described him as Brother Leader.

My wife was equally shocked seeing the protest on TV. She had believed me when I fondly told her about one African leader that seems genuine about the welfare of his people. Perhaps because she had never heard me fondly talking of African leaders; she became interested in Gaddafi until the protest against the Brother Leader.

“My dear husband,” she said in disbelieve. “You must have been given wrong information about Gaddafi and Libya”.

Hum, I am confused as well as disturbed. I had intended to proclaim to the world that Gaddafi is one African leader to be celebrated. I had wanted to say that he is one African leader with genuine love for his people. It was indeed the reason I was infatuated with his system/style.

I was wondering what other delegates might be thinking now, especially those professors, kings, human rights activists, parliamentarians, youth organisations who had poured encomium on Brother Gaddafi. They called him kings of kings. They named him the true son of Africa. They also referred to him as the only African leader who is not a racketeer. They say his example is rare and that he is the symbol of truth. He was decorated with gifts and symbols…..

Fast forward

I had the opportunity to visit the remains of Gaddafi’s house which was bombed by Goliath America. It has since become a museum. I was marvelled at the modesty of this leader. The furniture and other household equipment are simple. The man, it seems to me, practices what he preaches. This perhaps is his weapon – of governance.

In those days, the West tried different means including propaganda to nail Gaddafi. They labelled him dictator; they called him murderer and all sorts of cruel names – mainly to destroy a young man who would become a respected figure among his people and among those who could think and see beyond the surface. He survived to liberate Libyans. He lives by example – of how Libyans should be proud of themselves; how they should fight against any kind of oppression.

I rather prefer a Gaddafi’s “dictatorship” which has elevated his people to a Mubarak or a Ben Ali or an Obasanjo’s democracy (some call it demo-crazy) which has impoverished their people. The choice is yours: A benevolent dictator or a malevolent democrat? As far as I am concerned, Gaddafi has given dictatorship a good name. Good name? I hope I am correct despite the ongoing intense protest against Gaddafi’s system.

“Democracy is popular rule not popular expression.”

Consider this inscription boldly written in Arabic and English at Tripoli airport: YOU ARE NOT A WAGE WORKER; YOU ARE A PARTNER. The truth in that phrase radiates across Tripoli where Libyans are genuinely proud of themselves, their country and their brother leader.

One can say he is a pan-Africanist to the core. Gaddafi admires and respects people like Kwame Nkrumah, Patricia Lumumba and others whom he passionately believes had stood for dignity and against oppression.

Gaddafi’s address to the delegates

I must confess that, like many other delegate, I was somehow in a trance listening to this man’s speech. Could Gaddafi have hypnotized us? It seems, judging from the fact that Libyans are now protesting the resignation of Mr. Gaddafi a month after I had allowed myself to be convinced that Gaddafi’s Libya is in a system of its own. That Gaddafi is a genuine leader with the interest of his people at heart.

“It is my duty and role towards the sons of Africa and I am a soldier for Africa. I am here for you and I will work for you and therefore I will not abandon you and will follow your conditions. By the will of God, I will assign teams to search, inspect and meet African in Europe and to check their situations.

“The west is destroying Africa. By what right should they interfere in our affair? Africans are created by God. Imagine most African countries are named after English and French officers: Cameroon, Rhodesia.

“Now they are interfering in Cote d’ Ivoire. Are we miners, are we children so that they can be our parents? We have never interfered in their elections and why are they interfering in ours? They are enslaving us as a people and we reject this. It is colonialism b y proxy. They transported us to the US and UK and now they want to reject us. Our presence in Europe should be respected. You have me but it is up to you…..”

Therefore out of all the protests, uprising, or revolution sweeping across the Arab region; it is only that of Libya that actually confuses and holds me breathless. I had thought Libyans are so fond of Gaddafi and Libya that any kind of uprising or protest will only happen after his death. In fact my only worry had been the vacuum his long reign will have caused.

But then, if the report by AP credited to Mr. Gaddafi’s son warning the protesters that the government would “fight until the last man, the last woman, the last bullet was true; I have no choice other than to let my admiration diminished – for Mr. Gaddafi who has since blamed Osama Bin Laden for trying to create Islamic Emirate in Libya.

Oh, my impression had been that Brother Leader Gaddafi had managed to create a river in the desert. Or is the current protest in Libya a path to paving way for the influence of the west in a country that detests foreign occupation and oppression in whatever form? Libyans oppositions should think and think to make sure they do not fall into the trap of colonialism by proxy.

Libyans should also understand the fact that capitalism does not necessarily mean happiness. They should know that all those benefit, subsidy, welfare being enjoyed under Gaddafi’s now hated system, may disappear under IMFCapitalism induced government. They should be cautious of any western inspired opposition who may eventually become the stooge of the brutal colonialists. Definitely, it will soon be clear to us as it is now clear to us the origin of international propaganda, terrorism, shock doctrine and all that is befuddling our senses.

As for Libyans, well, if a woman does not try another man besides her husband, she may never know the better man, according to my people. Most importantly and even ironically, is the fact that the happening in Libya may be more than what you think. Who is behind it? And who is behind the uprising in the Middle East?

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If there is justice & fairplay in this world, most of the global elite will surely burn in hell for all eternity, for their heinous crimes against humanity.. Well, at least in the after-life!
Title: Re: * Morning Brief: American jet crashes in Libya
Post by: Sue on March 22, 2011, 04:22:59 PM
Farrakhan Warns, Advises Obama on Libya



Title: Re: * Morning Brief: American jet crashes in Libya
Post by: Zampan0 on March 22, 2011, 05:21:28 PM
I always have like minister Farrakhan.  Soft spoken and usually makes sense.  I haven't seen them for a while, but I used to see members of his org. on the street in suit coats and ties selling the newspaper "Final Call".  They would walk in the street and offer it to stopped cars.  They were always very polite and I usually (I think always) would buy a copy.  I'm not sure of it, but I think Farrakhan has more influence among black folk than most think.  He is of course very right in this message.  During the campaigne, he call Obamma 'the messiah',  I wonder what it would take for Farrakhan to openly oppose Obamma?  Sad to say, probably only another black person that would take Obamma's place, imo.  Oh well, the minister seems to sport a nice 'conk' job (chemically straightened hair) anyway.
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Post by: laconas on March 22, 2011, 07:17:35 PM
It seems oil money is still the main driver.  But I do think the Arab "revolutions" were shallow, peripheral operations -- might work or not, who cares, jews' benefit either way from weakening those gov'ts.  So they could have easily just been jew hip shots.  But then the earthquake and the oil market crashes, and suddenly nuclear energy is too risky (with 30 plants worldwide about to go in construction phase), Libya is being bombed (but nobody can really tell us why), and the oil market regains strength.

Some days I wish I was as naive as LW who believes Jewish media really cared about what every Arab on the street thought and cared about. But being a cat who once sat on a hot stove, and thereafter never sat on hot stove or cold stove again, I had to ask what are the Jews are up to? It's a jew  war with murder and terror about stealing the oil, more credit cards with 2% for every transaction, and lot of other things.
Title: Re: * Morning Brief: American jet crashes in Libya
Post by: Sue on March 22, 2011, 09:07:14 PM
I always have like minister Farrakhan.  Soft spoken and usually makes sense.  I haven't seen them for a while, but I used to see members of his org. on the street in suit coats and ties selling the newspaper "Final Call".  They would walk in the street and offer it to stopped cars.  They were always very polite and I usually (I think always) would buy a copy.  I'm not sure of it, but I think Farrakhan has more influence among black folk than most think.  He is of course very right in this message.  During the campaign, he call Obamma 'the messiah',  I wonder what it would take for Farrakhan to openly oppose Obamma?  Sad to say, probably only another black person that would take Obamma's place, imo.  Oh well, the minister seems to sport a nice 'conk' job (chemically straightened hair) anyway.

Minister Farrakhan sure put his heart and soul into this message. Interesting that it would coincide with feast days of Purim. 
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Post by: Spahi on March 22, 2011, 09:08:37 PM
The liberation of the Sudan has to happen under Obama simply because public opinion would be hard to control under a white president. And let's not forget the Ivory Coast and eventually Somalia; Africa is going to be a busy place in the coming generation.

Don't be surprised if George Clooney or Angelina Jolie get a Nobel Peace Prize.

I can see Omar Bashir reacting the same way as Gadhafi. He's another odd one.
Title: Re: * Morning Brief: American jet crashes in Libya ~ March Madness
Post by: bpocatch on March 23, 2011, 03:40:49 AM
March Madness: Democrats vs. Dictators (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/03/17/march_madness_democrats_vs_dictators)

Just scanned this but it is hilarious thanks  :D
Title: Re: * Morning Brief: American jet crashes in Libya
Post by: Sue on March 23, 2011, 01:12:38 PM
Just scanned this but it is hilarious thanks  :D

I had never seen anything like this chart before, I thought this was rather neat too.   :P
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Post by: Rudi Jan on March 23, 2011, 05:42:47 PM
Some days I wish I was as naive as LW who believes Jewish media really cared about what every Arab on the street thought and cared about.

That proves you're an idiot. When the fawk did I ever say that? Oh yeah, I forgot, you have the distinction of saying things without ever having to substantiate such a nonsensical charge. So far I've been spot on in my analysis and that sticks deep into your craw doesn't it?
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Post by: Rudi Jan on March 23, 2011, 05:47:17 PM
Gates hints at open-ended war in Libya

Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:13PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/171384.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/171384.html)

(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110323/khan20110323175529467.jpg)
US Defense Secretary Robert Gates

The US defense secretary says there is no timeline for the end of the US-led assault on Libya as international opposition to the invasion continues to grow.

During a visit to Cairo, Robert Gates said no one was in a position to predict what would happen in Libya.

Gates also rejected criticism with regards to the air strikes in Libya which have resulted in civilian causalities over the past five days.

However, he predicted that the aerial attacks would be scaled back within days.

Gates also failed to suggest a political solution to the unfolding crisis in the North African country.

"It seems to me that if there is a mediation to be done, if there is a role to be played, it is among the Libyans themselves. This matter at the end of the day is going to have to be settled by Libyans. It's their country," he said.

Five days ago, coalition forces led by the US, France and Britain launched attacks on Libya from air and sea.

A British commander now claims that the air force of embattled Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi has been totally disabled.

Gaddafi has vowed to defeat both the opposition and the foreign forces.

Reports say forces loyal to the Libyan ruler have killed at least 17 civilians, including five children, in Misratah over the past 24 hours.

Residents in Misratah say Western forces have also hit the city's air bases where Gaddafi's brigades are based. Water and electricity has been cut off to the city.

Medical personnel say at least 90 people have died in Misratah in the past five days.

Meanwhile, in a hospital in the city of Benghazi, bodies are piling up in the morgue.

This comes as US-led military operations in Libya have received negative responses from different countries and also parties within the US.

Some US senators have severely slammed President Barack Obama for his decision to attack Libya, saying it is outside the US constitution and that Obama must be impeached for the move.

Russia, China and India as well as several other countries have also opposed the military campaign in Libya.

Germany has already announced that it has pulled out of NATO operations in the Mediterranean.

Italy says it will review the use of its bases for attacks on Libyan regime forces unless NATO leads the operations.

LW- "It seems to me that if there is a mediation to be done, if there is a role to be played, it is among the Libyans themselves. This matter at the end of the day is going to have to be settled by Libyans. It's their country," he said. Agreed... so why the hell are you there?
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Post by: laconas on March 23, 2011, 06:07:50 PM
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Some US senators have severely slammed President Barack Obama for his decision to attack Libya, saying it is outside the US constitution and that Obama must be impeached for the move.

His decision to take a South American vacation while starting a war will be an issue that won't go away. His jew handlers should be coming out with pictures of him in serious mode meeting generals that will give the appearance that he's really making decisions.
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Post by: wag on March 23, 2011, 06:27:23 PM
His decision to take a South American vacation while starting a war will be an issue that won't go away. His jew handlers should be coming out with pictures of him in serious mode meeting generals that will give the appearance that he's really making decisions.

They're doing one of two things to Obama: 1) cleanly removing him; 2) setting him up for something dirty.
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Post by: wag on March 23, 2011, 06:30:24 PM
Unlike your faith in FOX and CNN... now that's REAL reporting. Nothing photoshopped by those professionals.

I think you're finally getting up to speed LW.   ;)
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Post by: OldTimes on March 23, 2011, 07:13:02 PM
China calls for ceasefire in Libya

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/video/2011-03/23/c_13793163.htm (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/video/2011-03/23/c_13793163.htm)

BEIJING, March 23 (Xinhuanet) --China is once again calling for an immediate ceasefire by all relevant parties in Libya and to resolve the issue in a peaceful manner.

Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Jiang Yu says China supports the diplomatic efforts of UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, the African Union and the Arab League. She stresses relevant countries should follow the objectives and principles of the UN Charter and international laws, and to respect Libya's sovereignty, independence, unification and territorial integrity.

She also voiced China's concern that the international military strikes may have caused civilian casualties.
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Post by: laconas on March 23, 2011, 07:20:56 PM
China calls for ceasefire in Libya

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/video/2011-03/23/c_13793163.htm (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/video/2011-03/23/c_13793163.htm)

BEIJING, March 23 (Xinhuanet) --China is once again calling for an immediate ceasefire by all relevant parties in Libya and to resolve the issue in a peaceful manner.

Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Jiang Yu says China supports the diplomatic efforts of UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, the African Union and the Arab League. She stresses relevant countries should follow the objectives and principles of the UN Charter and international laws, and to respect Libya's sovereignty, independence, unification and territorial integrity.

She also voiced China's concern that the international military strikes may have caused civilian casualties.

According to the news, China, Russia, India, and Brazil are not part of the international community.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on March 23, 2011, 08:05:42 PM
Huge blast heard in eastern Tripoli

Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:29PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/171394.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/171394.html)

(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110323/gholizadeh20110323203535640.jpg)
Destroyed military vehicles are seen at a naval military facility in eastern Tripoli March 22, 2011.

A huge explosion has been heard on a military base in eastern Tripoli, the capital of Libya, witnesses say.

The blast was heard "on Wednesday night on a military base in the Tajura region 32 kilometers (about 20 miles) east of the Libyan capital," the witnesses told AFP.

The incident took place as the US-led coalition has intensified its military action against forces loyal to Libyan ruler Muammar Ghaddafi.

Flame and smoke could be seen rising at the base after the blast, they said.

Libyan state television also said that the coalition's war planes targeted a number of military and civilian sites in Tripoli on Wednesday without giving further details.

"Crusader colonialists bombing (sic) some civilian and military locations in Tajura," it said.

The military base at Tajura was bombarded by the Western-led forces on Saturday when they launched a military attack against Gaddafi forces to impose a UN no-fly zone on the country.

The US-led military alliance has reportedly escalated its aerial attacks on several strategically-important cities across Libya, killing many civilians.

Libyan state news agency, JANA, also said that the US-led coalition airstrikes targeted a residential neighborhood and killed several civilians on Wednesday.

Residents in Misratah say Western forces have hit the city's airbases where Gaddafi's brigades are based. Water and electricity has been cut off to the city.

Medical personnel say at least 90 people have died in Misratah in the past five days.

Meanwhile, forces loyal to embattled Gaddafi reportedly killed at least 17 civilians, including five children in Misratah over the past 24 hours.

Germany has already announced that it has pulled out of NATO operations in the Mediterranean and Italy says it will review the use of its bases for attacks on Libyan regime forces unless NATO leads the operations.

Russia, China and India as well as several other countries have also opposed the military campaign in Libya.

LW - yep, as predicted, deny the people the arms they need to defend themselves from both Gaddafi and the 'humanitarian forces of good' come to preempt their revolution.
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Post by: laconas on March 23, 2011, 08:18:19 PM
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LW - yep, as predicted, deny the people the arms they need to defend themselves from both Gaddafi and the 'humanitarian forces of good' come to preempt their revolution.

I hate to tell ya, but there was no popular revolution in Libya, but just a jew led SAS/CIA operation that hired a few thousand Libyans to shoot guns in the air for photo ops. 99% of the people in Libya just see this as an invasion to steal their resources.
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Post by: mallard on March 24, 2011, 07:40:12 AM
Re: Brisbane Times [Australia] 3/16/11
Flight ban a perilous gamble for the West
Hugh White

If an exclusion zone over Libya fails, as is probable, we will be drawn in deeper.

Once again the West is contemplating a military intervention. Once again most of the debate is about the legality of what is proposed. And once again too little attention is being paid to military practicalities. We need to ask whether a flight ban over Libya will work, and what happens if it doesn't. I think it probably won't work, and if it goes ahead the West will be drawn in much deeper when it fails.

We have made this kind of mistake before. Remember 2003? Before the invasion of Iraq, most of us debated endlessly about the need for United Nations backing to make the invasion legal, and we paid too little attention to whether it would work and what would happen on the ground.

Now the same thing is happening about Libya. It matters, of course, whether a flight ban would be legal and could get Security Council backing. But it also matters whether it would achieve the specific political and strategic results intended. Before anyone decides whether to implement a flight-exclusion zone in Libya, it would be a good idea to make sure they know what results they want, and whether such a ban is likely to achieve them.

Advertisement: Story continues below Let's assume that the aim is either to stop Muammar Gaddafi's forces attacking rebel-held areas, or allow the rebel forces to take the areas still under Gaddafi's control. In other words, either to stop the rebels being defeated, or to help them win. These objectives themselves raise a lot of questions, such as: who are the rebels and what would their victory mean for Libya? But the more immediate question is whether a flight ban would by itself achieve them.

The evidence so far suggests that Gaddafi is using aircraft in his operations against the rebels, so a flight ban would be a setback for his forces. But to achieve the intended objectives, it would need to be a decisive setback - one that changed the balance of forces sufficiently to allow the rebels to win or at least avoid losing.

Whether a successful flight ban would achieve that depends on whether Gaddafi would still have a preponderance of combat forces once he was deprived of the use of his air force. I'm not sure of the answer, but my hunch is that he would. In that case, a flight-exclusion zone would simply make Gaddafi's victory slower and harder, but would do nothing decisive to prevent it.

That would leave the interveners in a very awkward position. It would be quite untenable to establish and enforce a flight ban and then stand back and watch Gaddafi's troops overrun the rebels anyway. The interveners - the West, in other words - would have little choice but to escalate their intervention.

So the real question is: what kind of operations would be necessary to stop Gaddafi's forces and swing the balance in favour of the rebels? There are two possibilities.

An optimist would argue that it would be sufficient for the intervening forces to go beyond enforcing a flight ban and use their air power to attack pro-Gaddafi forces on the ground. We cannot assume this would work. After all, this is exactly what NATO air forces were trying to do against Serbian ground forces in Kosovo in 1999 with very little success.

The same kind of operation would arguably be easier in Libya because there are fewer trees and therefore less cover: air power works well in deserts. Even so, the risk of losses of Western aircraft from ground fire would be much higher in this kind of campaign than with just a flight-exclusion zone.

And even this might not work. A prudent pessimist would argue that a successful ground-attack campaign against pro-Gaddafi forces might not be sufficient to avoid the defeat of the rebels or bring them victory. Air power can be effective against conventional ground forces because they are easy to spot from a plane. But the risk is that a successful ground-attack campaign might simply force Gaddafi's supporters to revert to guerilla-style operations that would be much harder to identify and interdict from the air.

I do not know whether Gaddafi's forces would be large enough, skilled enough and motivated enough to prosecute such a campaign, but if they were, then the only option would be a major ground intervention to support the rebels.

That is not unthinkable, but it is much less appealing than a flight ban. We should be under no illusion that it would be quick or easy. It would be unwise to assume that any intervention on the ground to topple Gaddafi would not evolve into a sustained stabilisation mission. That need not be as daunting as Iraq or Afghanistan - Libya has a relatively small population of 6.5 million, whereas Afghanistan has nearly 30 million - but it could still mean a commitment of 15,000 or 20,000 troops for several years.

Perhaps Libya is worth that. But it would be a cardinal error for Western leaders to launch a flight-exclusion zone there unless they had clearly recognised the possibility - indeed the probability - that it would fail and they would be drawn in much deeper.

Well, at least one press writer could read the words No Fly Zone at their real 'value'.  Another lovely Iraq-like outcome is certainly imaginable at this point.  Without wars of attrition, where would the military contractors be, especially supplying the world with limited-shelf-life munitions and missles whose prices are counted in tens of thousands of 'bucks'  or petro-dollars, take your pick [?].

Oil stocks must be looking at a bull market.  It's not all bad!
 
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Post by: wag on March 24, 2011, 08:16:33 AM
Libya Conflict May Spur Sales of Battle-Proven Eurofighter (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-03-24/libya-conflict-may-spur-sales-of-battle-proven-eurofighter.html)

Enter the profiteers.  And truth be damned. (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23807)
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Post by: Rudi Jan on March 24, 2011, 11:39:16 AM
I hate to tell ya, but there was no popular revolution in Libya, but just a jew led SAS/CIA operation that hired a few thousand Libyans to shoot guns in the air for photo ops. 99% of the people in Libya just see this as an invasion to steal their resources.

So say you... over and over and over again.

You don't hate telling me that at all, nor the readers and yet we're  still waiting for you to PROVE it!
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Post by: Zampan0 on March 24, 2011, 12:32:41 PM
So say you... over and over and over again.

You don't hate telling me that at all, nor the readers and yet we're  still waiting for you to PROVE it!

I'm inclined to agree with Laconas.  Here are a few articles that seem to back up his position.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1369362/Libyan-expats-plot-revenge-terror-attacks-UK-streets-Gaddafi-bombing-raids.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1369362/Libyan-expats-plot-revenge-terror-attacks-UK-streets-Gaddafi-bombing-raids.html)

http://tarpley.net/2011/03/24/the-cia%e2%80%99s-libya-rebels-the-same-terrorists-who-killed-us-nato-troops-in-iraq/ (http://tarpley.net/2011/03/24/the-cia%e2%80%99s-libya-rebels-the-same-terrorists-who-killed-us-nato-troops-in-iraq/)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/23/libya-biggest-tribe-march-benghazi (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/23/libya-biggest-tribe-march-benghazi)
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Post by: Sue on March 24, 2011, 12:53:51 PM
(http://media.ft.com/cms/6f68385c-882a-11da-a25e-0000779e2340.gif)

link---> Turkey attacks France on Libya ‘crusade’ (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fe514f9c-5631-11e0-8de9-00144feab49a.html#axzz1HY6uNPUr)

By Delphine Strauss in Ankara

Published: March 24 2011 17:00 | Last updated: March 24 2011 17:00

The Turkish government on Thursday lashed out at France over its approach to military intervention in Libya and its refusal to confer sole command of operations to Nato.

Ahmet Davutoglu, foreign minister, also said it would be “impossible for us to share responsibility in an operation some authorities have described as a crusade” – a reference to the gaffe made earlier this week by Claude Guéant, French interior minister.

Reçep Tayyip Erdogan, prime minister, cast doubt on the motives for the French-led intervention, telling a conference: “I advise our western friends, when they look at this region, to see the hungry children, the suffering mothers, the poverty . . . I wish they would not only see oil, gold mines or underground wealth.”

He also rounded on Paris, saying people who had ignored the benefits that Turkey could bring to European Union relations with the Muslim world were now using “utterly inappropriate terms” such as “crusade”.

Turkey’s insistence that Nato should have sole control of all military operations in Libya reflects the deep distrust and antipathy felt in Ankara towards Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president.

Mr Sarkozy, who has long flaunted his opposition to Turkey’s efforts to join the EU, was openly slighted by his hosts when he visited Ankara last month and was pilloried in the press, with photographs staged to highlight his short stature.

Turkish ministers and officials were infuriated at being excluded from Saturday’s summit in Paris, a snub that hardened their doubts about the western-led operation.

Ankara said Nato should only enforce a no-fly zone over Libya if it has sole command of the operation. Turkey does not want an ad hoc coalition to continue air strikes in parallel as that could lead to Nato being blamed for civilian casualties, the Turkish foreign ministry confirmed on Thursday.

France is insisting that non-Nato participants in the military intervention in Libya have a say in the conduct of operations, possibly through meetings of foreign ministers.

The dismal state of bilateral relations is exacerbating real divisions between Ankara and Paris over Nato’s role, and suggests a growing rivalry for regional influence.

Turkish officials, who had been working to mediate between Libya’s factions before the air strikes began, believe they have a better understanding of a country where Turkish businesses have long been active.

“This crisis over the intervention in Libya shows clearly that France is now viewing Turkey as a strategic rival, argued Sinan Ulgen, head of Istanbul’s Centre for Economics and Foreign Policy Studies. “This is already having consequences for regional security, and it will continue to have an impact on EU-Nato relations.”

Turkey has nonetheless sent frigates, a submarine and a support vessel to Libya to help Nato enforce an arms embargo. This action was authorised by parliament after a debate on Thursday.

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Gold key to financing Gaddafi struggle (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/588ce75a-53e4-11e0-8bd7-00144feab49a,dwp_uuid=4965b382-497c-11e0-b051-00144feab49a.html#axzz1HY6uNPUr)

By Jack Farchy and Roula Khalaf in London

Published: March 21 2011 18:21 | Last updated: March 21 2011 18:21

The international community has hit Muammer Gaddafi with a raft of sanctions and asset freezes aimed at cutting off his funding. But the embattled Libyan leader is sitting on a pot of gold.

The Libyan central bank – which is under Colonel Gaddafi’s control – holds 143.8 tonnes of gold, according to the latest data from the International Monetary Fund, although some suspect the true amount could be several tonnes higher.

Those reserves, among the top 25 in the world, are worth more than $6.5bn at current prices, enough to pay a small army of mercenaries for months or even years.

While many central banks hold their gold reserves in international vaults in London, New York or Switzerland, Libya’s bullion is in the country, said people familiar with the country’s activities in the gold market.

US and European governments have frozen billions of dollars in Libyan assets, as sanctions have hit the central bank, sovereign wealth fund and state oil company.

But Libya’s gold reserves may provide Col Gaddafi with a lifeline – if he can sell them. To raise large amounts of money, bankers said, Col Gaddafi would have to transport the bullion out of Libya.

Before violence broke out the gold was stored at the central bank in Tripoli. But since then it may have been moved to another location, such as the southern city of Sebha – within reach of the borders with Chad and Niger.

The political turbulence in the Middle East – besides boosting the price of gold to a record $1,444 a troy ounce – has highlighted the property that has for centuries made gold so appealing to criminals, investors and dictators alike: it does not rely on a government for its value.

Following the revolution in Egypt, the country banned gold exports for four months in order to prevent officials of the former government from moving their wealth abroad.

At the same time, Iran has been quietly stocking up on gold in recent years, in an apparent attempt to shift away from the US dollar and thus protect its reserves from risk of seizure. Other significant buyers of gold include China, Russia and India.

No international bank or trading house is likely to buy gold with any hint of a link to the Libyan regime, bankers said. “Physical trading houses are now quite reluctant to deal with countries that have been involved with conflict – they don’t know who’s on the end of the trade,” said one banker.

But Col Gaddafi could transport the gold to Chad or Niger, where the gold could be swapped for currency transferred into a bank owned by the Libyan Foreign Bank – a branch of the central bank.

“If a country like Libya wants to make their gold liquid it would probably be in the form of a swap – whether for arms, food or cash,” said Walter de Wet, head of commodities research at Standard Bank.

In addition to the gold reserves, Col Gaddafi may also have hoarded some cash from oil sales outside of the traditional channels.

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Post by: Rudi Jan on March 24, 2011, 01:16:23 PM
I'm inclined to agree with Laconas.  Here are a few articles that seem to back up his position.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1369362/Libyan-expats-plot-revenge-terror-attacks-UK-streets-Gaddafi-bombing-raids.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1369362/Libyan-expats-plot-revenge-terror-attacks-UK-streets-Gaddafi-bombing-raids.html)

http://tarpley.net/2011/03/24/the-cia%e2%80%99s-libya-rebels-the-same-terrorists-who-killed-us-nato-troops-in-iraq/ (http://tarpley.net/2011/03/24/the-cia%e2%80%99s-libya-rebels-the-same-terrorists-who-killed-us-nato-troops-in-iraq/)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/23/libya-biggest-tribe-march-benghazi (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/23/libya-biggest-tribe-march-benghazi)

And I'm told not to trust the western media...

We know nothing coming out of the British trust is any more reliable than what we get here. Webster Tarpley has long been recognized as disinfo. I pay no attention to him anymore.

If you have support for the laconas position that the revolution was instigated by the Western Powers to destabilize a regime they had under their thump, post it with your own commentary, not a bunch of links. I have no need to support my position. I've done plenty of that already. And notably whenever I've called laconas or wag out on their assertions they have skated like greased monkeys
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Post by: thomaspain on March 24, 2011, 01:35:39 PM
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The Libyan central bank – which is under Colonel Gaddafi’s control – holds 143.8 tonnes of gold, according to the latest data from the International Monetary Fund, although some suspect the true amount could be several tonnes higher.

   Gaddafi, that evil dictator, is keeping his country's gold out of the hands of Ratchild's banks. What a sinner, how low can he get. Saddam did something similar and had to be destroyed. Iran is on notice. The punishment for messing with the BANKS is usually death. Hitler, Kennedy, and Saddam were taught this lesson. You would think that today's world leaders would be afraid to act in this dangerous manner. What patriotism could inspire them to endanger their lives to protect their people?
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Post by: laconas on March 24, 2011, 01:44:00 PM

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Turkey attacks France on Libya ‘crusade’

I guess this means that Turkey, along with China, Russia, India, Brazil, Iran, the Sudan, Venezuela, Myammar, and Germany, is not part of the international community.
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Post by: laconas on March 24, 2011, 01:54:40 PM
   Gaddafi, that evil dictator, is keeping his country's gold out of the hands of Ratchild's banks. What a sinner, how low can he get. Saddam did something similar and had to be destroyed. Iran is on notice. The punishment for messing with the BANKS is usually death. Hitler, Kennedy, and Saddam were taught this lesson. You would think that today's world leaders would be afraid to act in this dangerous manner. What patriotism could inspire them to endanger their lives to protect their people?


The speed at which European and American banks(Jews) seized Libya's assets is a wake-up call to national leaders and businessmen around the world -- don't bank your money with the Jews. This should further the downward slide of the dollar.
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Post by: laconas on March 24, 2011, 02:03:27 PM
And I'm told not to trust the western media...

We know nothing coming out of the British trust is any more reliable than what we get here. Webster Tarpley has long been recognized as disinfo. I pay no attention to him anymore.

If you have support for the laconas position that the revolution was instigated by the Western Powers to destabilize a regime they had under their thump, post it with your own commentary, not a bunch of links. I have no need to support my position. I've done plenty of that already. And notably whenever I've called laconas or wag out on their assertions they have skated like greased monkeys

Again, a few kids in Egypt and Libya with twitter and facebook didn't get world Jewish banks to seize Libya's assets, or get the full support of the the UN, NATO, the US, Britain, France to invade Libya. Rather is was a very planned out affair from Virginia, London, and Tel Aviv.
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Post by: Sue on March 24, 2011, 02:06:54 PM
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Gaddafi, that evil dictator, is keeping his country's gold out of the hands of Ratchild's banks. What a sinner, how low can he get. Saddam did something similar and had to be destroyed. Iran is on notice. The punishment for messing with the BANKS is usually death. Hitler, Kennedy, and Saddam were taught this lesson. You would think that today's world leaders would be afraid to act in this dangerous manner. What patriotism could inspire them to endanger their lives to protect their people?

Thomas - we must have been thinking along the same lines.  :) 

So, when we have finished bombing Libya back into the stone age, are we all going to put our hands into our back pockets (again) and rebuild all the infrastructure? Furthermore, can we afford it? Unfortunately, as we all know, this will end up as just another 'regime change' exercise.

BIG Oil and BIG Construction company's will be the only beneficiaries in this conflict, as usual. It's the ordinary people of Libya I feel sorry for...just like the Afghans and Iraqi's ~ and whoever else is next in line!

Libya has OIL, GOLD and The Great Man-Made River (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php/topic,20579.0.html), (eighth wonder of the world) and has never borrowed a Nickel from the Banksters... Can't have that!!! Can we?

Perhaps we are the last generation that has become totally aware of what these crooks & liars have been getting away with for centuries... and still do.
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Post by: laconas on March 24, 2011, 02:16:08 PM

Jewish media has a job on its hands this weekend and next week making Obama look like the commander and chief. If I were in charge of the pr dept., I would release a lot of B/W photos of a serious looking Obama meeting with top generals. A giant map of Libya thumb-tacked on an Oval Office wall can't hurt.



White House defends Libya response


By Alan Silverleib, CNN
March 24, 2011 -- Updated 2015 GMT (0415 HKT)


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President Obama steps off Marine One at the White House on Wednesday after a five-day trip to Latin America.


Washington (CNN) -- The Obama administration strongly defended its handling of the Libyan crisis Thursday, drawing a clear line between military and political objectives while dismissing criticism that it has failed to adequately consult with members of Congress.

"We are not engaged in militarily-driven regime change," White House Press Secretary Jay Carney told reporters. Instead, the administration is engaged in "time-limited, scope-limited" action with other countries to protect civilians from forces loyal to strongman Moammar Gadhafi.

American armed forces will be transitioning to a "support and assist" role in the international coalition within a matter of days, he promised. U.S. ground troops will not be sent into Libya, he stressed.

A senior Western diplomat later confirmed that a formal agreement for NATO to take over the command structure of the U.N.-sanctioned military mission will be finalized as early as this weekend.


More bs here...

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/24/libya.obama.criticism/
Title: Why Libyan uprising is not “people toppling dictator”
Post by: laconas on March 24, 2011, 02:52:05 PM

A little while ago I saw the Syrian info minister talking about the troubles in Syria. She pretty much told the BBC they were full of shit and Syrian authorities have already arrested several mercenaries who were sniping people from rooftops.

Back to Lybia.

Articles about who started these so called revolutions are starting to come out.



Why Libyan uprising is not “people toppling dictator”


Published: 24 March, 2011, 19:26
Edited: 24 March, 2011, 23:03

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Libyan rebels hold up placards and flags as thousands of people gathered in the streets of Benghazi on March 23, 2011 to show their support for an internationally-enforced no-fly zone over Libya (AFP Photo / Patrick Baz)


Libyan rebels hold up placards and flags as thousands of people gathered in the streets of Benghazi on March 23, 2011 to show their support for an internationally-enforced no-fly zone over Libya (AFP Photo / Patrick Baz)
TRENDS: Arab world protests Libya's Odyssey Dawn

TAGS: Conflict, Military, Politics, Opposition, Libya, Gaddafi

In the wave of political change in the Arab world, Libya clearly stands apart. Unlike his counterparts in Egypt or Bahrain, Muammar Gaddafi’s power does not seem to be slipping out of his hands, and there’s a reason for it.

­Gaddafi’s resilience looks really strange, when you start comparing. His domestic opposition is armed with machine guns, not stones and Molotov cocktails. Even after a period of thaw, his international reputation is still on par with Kim Jong-il – with all the airliner bombings, killing of police officers in St. James’ Square and a WMD program in his bag. Now he even has an international military force in his backyard, which without doubt can take control of Libya in a matter of days, if such decision was made.

With such pressure, any dictator would have been dethroned – if not by his own will, then with the friendly help of cautious subordinates. Yet that’s exactly what has not happened. Moreover, noticeably missing in reports from the country are the expected of mass defection of government officials, troops and security forces to the opposition, and those voiced often turn out to be false, like that of Gaddafi’s daughter Ayesha allegedly attempting to flee to Malta.

The plain fact is that Colonel Gaddafi has the support of both the public and his own government. This certainly doesn’t make him “the good guy” in the story, but it casts a huge shadow on the whole “oppressed people gather to oust the hated dictator” scenario.

One has to remember that Libyan society is traditional and fundamentally fractionalized. Being in power in Libya is a balancing act between age-long blood feuds, traditions that prevail over rational thinking, the vital necessity to at least appear too strong to be defied, and a bunch of sons who are not eager to wait long before replacing you. All this is aggravated by the “oil pie” (of which everyone wants a bigger slice) and a small army of youths who are unlikely to find a job in a county which mostly consists of desert.

Gaddafi’s strategy involves hefty social benefits, mass education and a great degree of local self-governance within communities (his latest step to hand out arms to all civilians is actually a development of the ongoing situation, in which a major part of the army is in essence a well-armed militia). His supporters apparently believe that those benefits outweigh drawbacks like public execution of political opponents or funding of international terrorism.

The bad thing about the position of a dictator is that as soon as you seem to have lost your grip, someone will try and replace you. And this is what happened in Libya in February. The stronghold of rebels is the region of Cyrenaica, dominated by the conservative religious order Senussi, with strong ties to Libyan Bedouins. They have never been fans of Gaddafi, with is natural once you take into account that he overthrown king Idris, who was also a hereditary leader of Senussi and emir of Cyrenaica. But for 40 years he managed to hold them in check through violence, bribes and intrigues.

Assuming that those people’s only desire is to live in a democratic state with an elected president would be highly optimistic. Assuming that they want a bigger share of the oil which happens to be in their territory is much more realistic. Believing that they’ll keep free schools and hospitals on the list of their priorities – well, that’s wishful thinking. In fact, their inability to organize themselves and the consequent general retreat from Gaddafi’s loyal troops is a good indication of what they would do if they are in power.

The biggest mystery is why on earth the international community would send a fleet to Libya to support one faction in an ordinary civil war. Is it so Sarkozy can score political points for being a tough guy ahead of the presidential election? Is it so Berlusconi can draw media attention away from his sex scandal? Is it so Obama can keep up with the tradition that each US president start a war? Judging from how slow the action is unfolding there, the people in charge don’t seem to have the answer themselves.

­Aleksandr Antonov, RT

http://rt.com/news/libya-gaddafi-opposition-war/
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Post by: Rudi Jan on March 24, 2011, 03:38:46 PM
Again, a few kids in Egypt and Libya with twitter and facebook didn't get world Jewish banks to seize Libya's assets, or get the full support of the the UN, NATO, the US, Britain, France to invade Libya. Rather is was a very planned out affair from Virginia, London, and Tel Aviv.

Skate... again. It wasn't a few kids on twitter or facebook regardless of your repetition that it was (based on nothing). The way things stand now is after the fact, not the cause and was precisely what I warned would happen throughout this thread. Trying to justify your position which has relied solely on your position that Jews are omnipotent is sophistry since what has occurred since has manifested because the people there, like Egypt, did did not keep up the momentum. That I stated within a week of the Egyptian revolution. You can't give the minions so much time that they can muster force continuum the way they have.
Title: Re: Why Libyan uprising is not “people toppling dictator”
Post by: OldTimes on March 25, 2011, 10:13:17 AM
I noticed this is RT's position on the Libyan situation, as well as much of the middle-east.  PressTV Iran seems to have a different bias.  I don't know which is correct but I do know a number of reports from PressTV have turned out to be wrong, plus they use Western disinfo analysts.

It seems that if we can just determine what's true and what's not true, we can get to the bottom of this debate.
Title: Re: Why Libyan uprising is not “people toppling dictator”
Post by: laconas on March 25, 2011, 04:58:36 PM
I noticed this is RT's position on the Libyan situation, as well as much of the middle-east.  PressTV Iran seems to have a different bias.  I don't know which is correct but I do know a number of reports from PressTV have turned out to be wrong, plus they use Western disinfo analysts.

It seems that if we can just determine what's true and what's not true, we can get to the bottom of this debate.

I noticed PressTV's first holding back when the Jews had agents making trouble during the Iranian elections; they could have also played up the American hikers story, but they didn't. I don't exactly how world press credentials work, as in they, PressTV, has a pass to enter DC or any other European city under press credentials. But I'm sure that there must be some exact protocol and a legal documentation under cultural agreements that says they will not incite violence and stuff like that. And the agreement that PTV is allowed in the West is probably reciprocal by allowing CNN and the alphabet soup news agencies inside Iran.

That's the technical legal bs, but my personal opinion is PTV is following the Jewish line in this. The situation in Syria should expose much more about PTV since Syria is supposedly the the #1 Arab ally. I don't think they will expose anything new though. PressTV doesn't appear to helpful in finding the truth.

RT in this case appears to be closer to the truth, but I've also seen pieces by RT that I didn't agree with. For example, when they reported the Wisconsin teacher's strike they took the poor teachers are being abused by the man view.
Title: Re: Why Libyan uprising is not “people toppling dictator”
Post by: wag on March 25, 2011, 06:28:29 PM
I noticed this is RT's position on the Libyan situation, as well as much of the middle-east.  PressTV Iran seems to have a different bias.  I don't know which is correct but I do know a number of reports from PressTV have turned out to be wrong, plus they use Western disinfo analysts.

It seems that if we can just determine what's true and what's not true, we can get to the bottom of this debate.

RT's business model has it competing against JSM (jew-stream-media).  They're being careful, just pulling a wee bit in the non-jew direction.  We're a long way away from when they start reporting that jews are behind terrorism.

As far as Press TV goes, they're their equivalent to our media, so don't expect greatness.

Title: Re: Why Libyan uprising is not “people toppling dictator”
Post by: bpocatch on March 25, 2011, 06:37:18 PM
A friend I knew was in central america when the little people rose up against the "US" presence there.  He said he saw 5 men with AK 47s in masks firing across a street unmolested at a US military HQ building.   :-X

It is like 100 degrees with 100 percent humidity and they had full head masks.
White skin on hands. Only super rich Europeans (aka Jews)  had white skin in this country.
5 guys firing at a US HQs military building unmolested...
Title: Re: Why Libyan uprising is not “people toppling dictator”
Post by: bpocatch on March 25, 2011, 06:38:04 PM
I just call it Monopoly.  the bank always wins
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Post by: Rudi Jan on March 25, 2011, 06:46:27 PM
Canadian general leads NATO in Libya

Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:51AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/171668.html

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Two US airforce F16 sits on the tarmac as a C17 takes off at the Aviano air base on March 25, 2011.

The deputy commander of the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) has taken charge of NATO's operations in Libya for enforcing a no-fly zone.

Canadian Lieutenant General Charles Bouchard is also responsible for enforcing an arms embargo on Libya sanctioned by the UN Security Council two weeks ago.

NATO members, on Thursday, agreed to take control of the military operation in Libya.

Moreover, NATO foreign ministers will meet in London on Tuesday to further discuss the role the alliance may play in the operation against the forces of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.

Gen. Bouchard was involved in military operations in Iraq, and is currently based at the Allied Joint Force Command in Naples, Italy.

This is while Western-led forces have carried out a seventh day of airstrikes against forces loyal to Gaddafi.

Libyan state TV said on Friday "long-range missiles have hit civilian and military sites in the capital Tripoli and the eastern city of Tajura."

The Pentagon said 12 countries are involved in the Libya war seeking to enforce the no-fly zone -- including two Arab nations, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates.

A senior US official said the UAE had contributed 12 aircraft.

Germany has already announced that it has pulled out of NATO operations in the Mediterranean and Italy said it would review the use of its bases for attacks on Libyan regime forces unless NATO leads the operations.

Russia, China and India as well as several other countries have also opposed the military campaign in Libya.

LW - I am reminded of the French motto in Quebec... You fight me, you fight me and my gang. Ever since Trudeau we've had the French in charge. In fact has been long my contention that the Cross killing was a false flag op, not to have Quebec separate, but to introduce bilingualism to the nation and retire all English speaking Canadians from government, who never before that had to bother leaning French whereas the French, living in an English world, were all bilingual. Ottawa turned from an entirely English speaking city into a city in which all the bureaucrats re now French and refuse to speak English. They seem to have no problem watching English TV though. Amazing that. Excuse the irrelevant rumination on a long time scam that still irks me as a Montreal expatriate. Admittedly off-topic.
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Post by: Sue on March 27, 2011, 08:26:54 AM
Don't know if this has been posted yet here, but I saw an item that Al Queda is joining in the fight either for or against Quaddafi. I can't even keep it straight anymore. There was also on item on Drudge, that Al Queda got some missles from Libya, this stated by some president of an African Nation.

FB, do you know who and what Al Qaida is?

The myth of "al Qaida" is built on an expansive foundation of many half-truths and hidden facts.  It is a CIA creation.  It was shaped by the agency to serve as a substitute "enemy" for America, replacing the Soviets whom the Islamist forces had driven from Afghanistan.
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Post by: Sue on March 27, 2011, 09:07:17 AM
Ghaddafi thanks Germany, Russia and China

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afrol News, 15 March ~ Source (http://www.afrol.com/articles/37580)

Colonel Ghaddafi today in an interview thanked the governments of Germany, Russia and China for opposing a no-fly zone over Libya, promising new oil contracts.

The G8 Foreign Minister meeting in Paris today, uniting the world's leading economies, failed to address the situation in Libya, where Colonel Ghaddafi is bombing his own people and committing war crimes on a daily basis, according to leaders from the same countries.

Following pressure from the Libyan protesters and the Arab League, France and Britain favoured a no-fly zone over Libya and the use of military power to implement it. A no-fly zone would have made the current advance of pro-Ghaddafi troops eastwards towards Benghazi, the rebel "capital", difficult.

France's Foreign Minister Alain Juppé said he had tried to convince other world leaders to agree to the use of military force to stop the Ghaddafi advance against the popular revolution. But with no result.

"If we had used military force last week to neutralise some airstrips and the several dozen planes that they have, perhaps the reversal taking place to the detriment of the opposition would not have happened," Minister Juppé stated. But that is the past. ... We have perhaps missed a chance to restore the balance."

Most other large powers, including the US, had been sceptical on a no-fly zone over Libya, fearing it could drag the countries implementing it into a wider war in North Africa. But also the US was open to accept a proposed no-fly zone, without presenting a veto in the UN Security Council.

Security Council members Germany, Russia and China - the two latter being veto holders - however strongly objected any military intervention in Libya, including a no-fly zone. The G8 meeting therefore made no statement at all on how to treat the situation in Libya.

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German chancellor Angela Merkel is praised by the Ghaddafi regime
© Bundesregierung/afrol News

Colonel Ghaddafi in several interviews today praised the countries opposing military action, promising them future oil and other business deals in Libya. To the European broadcaster 'RTL', the Libyan dictator said he did not trust Western countries anymore.

As a consequence, future oil and business deals would go to Russia, India and China. But "the Germans have taken a very good position towards us, different from many other important Western countries," he told 'RTL'. Germany would therefore be considered in future business deals. Also, Mr Ghaddafi said, "Germany should have a permanent seat in the UN Security Council, not France."

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has not reacted to the hailing from the Libyan dictator. However, German media close to the Berlin government have described the situation as "very embarrassing" for Ms Merkel, possibly forcing her to take a tougher stance on Libya.

Also in the 'RTL' interview, Colonel Ghaddafi said that he was saddened by the position of French President Nicolas Sarkozy. "He is a friend of mine, but I think he has become a mental case," said the eccentric Libyan dictator, claiming he had sources among President Sarkozy's staff saying the French leader was mentally ill.

In another interview today, Colonel Ghaddafi said he and the Libyan army would "join Al Qaeda" if there would be a Western attack on the country. The Ghaddafi regime also on a daily basis accused the rebels in eastern Libya of being attached to Al Qaeda.

By staff writers



A little outdated perhaps, but different from the rest...

In another interview today, Colonel Ghaddafi said he and the Libyan army would "join Al Qaeda" if there would be a Western attack on the country. The Ghaddafi regime also on a daily basis accused the rebels in eastern Libya of being attached to Al Qaeda.

... and then he spoils it all with  ::) ''Al Qaeda.'' (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7787)

The myth of "al Qaida" is built on an expansive foundation of many half-truths and hidden facts.  It is a CIA creation.  It was shaped by the agency to serve as a substitute "enemy" for America, replacing the Soviets whom the Islamist forces had driven from Afghanistan.  Unknown American officials, at an indeterminate point in time, made the decision to fabricate the tale of a mythical worldwide network of Islamic terrorists from the exploits of the Afghan Mujahedeen. The CIA already had their own network of Islamic militant "freedom fighters," all that was needed were a few scattered terrorist attacks against US targets and a credible heroic figurehead, to serve as the "great leader."

Article follows
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Post by: Chauncey G on March 27, 2011, 09:40:24 AM
Libyan rebels 'sign oil export deal with Qatar'

Libyan rebels say they have signed an oil contract with Qatar to export oil from rebel-held territory.

"We are producing about 100,000 to 130,000 barrels a day, we can easily up that to about 300,000 a day," rebel spokesman Ali Tarhouni told the Associated Press.

He said that shipments of crude would start in "less than a week".

The rebels say their main concern is obtaining insurance for any tankers taking oil from Libya.

Libya produces 1.6m barrels per day of oil but analysts believe this has fallen by at least two-thirds since unrest began last month.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12875810
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Post by: Jan Robertson on March 27, 2011, 11:20:14 AM

Who are the Libyan Freedom Fighters and Their Patrons?


By Prof. Peter Dale Scott
 
URL of this article: www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23947
 
Global Research, March 25, 2011
The Asia-Pacific Journal Vol 9, Issue 13 No 3, March 28, 2011. 



Peter Dale Scott's Libyan Notebook
[Editor's Note: Author's selected quotations and analysis]

Preface

The world is facing a very unpredictable and potentially dangerous situation in North Africa and the Middle East. What began as a memorable, promising, relatively nonviolent achievement of New Politics - the Revolutions in Tunisia and Egypt - has morphed very swiftly into a recrudescence of old habits: America, already mired in two decade-long wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and sporadic air attacks in Yemen and Somalia, now, bombing yet another Third World Country, in this case Libya.

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The initially stated aim of this bombing was to diminish Libyan civilian casualties. But many, senior figures in Washington, including President Obama, have indicated that the US is gearing up for a quite different war for regime change, one that may well be protracted and could also easily expand beyond Libya.1 If it does expand, the hope for a nonviolent transition to civilian government in Tunisia and Egypt and other Middle East nations experiencing political unrest, may be lost to a hard-edged militarization of government, especially in Egypt. All of us, not just Egyptians, have a major stake in seeing that that does not happen.

The present article does not attempt to propose solutions or a course of action for the United States and its allies, or for the people of the Middle East. It attempts rather to examine the nature of the forces that have emerged in Libya over the last four decades that are presently being played out.

To this end I have begun to compile what I call my Libyan Notebook, a collection of relevant facts that underlie the present crisis. This Notebook will be judgmental, in that I am biased towards collecting facts that the US media tend to ignore, facts that are the product in many instances of investigative reporting that cuts to the heart of power relations, deep structures, and economic interests in the region including the US, Israel, and the Arab States as these have played out over the last two decades and more. But I hope that it will be usefully objective and open-ended, permitting others to draw diverse conclusions from the same set of facts.2

I wish to begin with two ill-understood topics: I. Who Are the Libyan Opposition, and II. Where Are the Libyan Rebel Arms Coming From?

I. Who Are the Libyan Opposition

1) Historically:


"If Muammar Al Gaddafi behaved paranoid, it was for good reason. It wasn't long after he reached the age of 27 and led a small group of junior military officers in a bloodless coup d'état against Libyan King Idris on September 1, 1969, that threats to his power and life emerged - from monarchists, Israeli Mossad, Palestinian disaffections, Saudi security, the National Front for the Salvation of Libya (NFSL), the National Conference for the Libyan Opposition (NCLO), British intelligence, United States antagonism and, in 1995, the most serious of all, Al Qaeda-like Libyan Islamic fighting group, known as Al-Jama'a al-Islamiyyah al-Muqatilah bi-Libya. The Colonel reacted brutally, by either expelling or killing those he feared were against him."3

2) National Front for the Salvation of Libya (NFSL)

"With the aim of overthrowing Libyan strongman Muammar Khadafy, Israel and the U.S. trained anti-Libyan rebels in a number of West and Central African countries. The Paris-based African Confidential newsletter reported on January 5th, 1989, that the US and Israel had set up a series of bases in Chad and other neighboring countries to train 2000 Libyan rebels captured by the Chad army. The group, called The National Front for the Salvation of Libya, was based in Chad."4

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Gaddafi and Nasser in a 1969 Photo.

"US official records indicate that funding for the Chad-based secret war against Libya also came from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Morocco, Israel and Iraq. The Saudis, for instance, donated $7m to an opposition group, the National Front for the Salvation of Libya (also backed by French intelligence and the CIA). But a plan to assassinate Gadafi and take over the government on 8 May 1984 was crushed. In the following year, the US asked Egypt to invade Libya and overthrow Gadafi but President Mubarak refused. By the end of 1985, the Washington Post had exposed the plan after congressional leaders opposing it wrote in protest to President Reagan."5

"The FNSL [National Front for the Salvation of Libya] was part of the National Conference for the Libyan Opposition held in London in 2005, and British resources are being used to support the FNSL and other 'opposition' in Libya.... The FNSL held its national congress in the USA in July 2007. Reports of 'atrocities' and civilian deaths are being channeled into the western press from operations in Washington DC, and the opposition FNSL is reportedly organizing resistance and military attacks from both inside and outside Libya."6

3) National Conference for the Libyan Opposition (NCLO),

"The main group leading the insurrection is the National Conference for the Libyan Opposition which includes the National Front for the Salvation of Libya (NFSL). The NFSL, which is leading the violence, is a U.S.-sponsored armed militia of mostly Libyan expatriates and tribes opposed to al-Qaddafi."7

4) Al-Jama'a al-Islamiyyah al-Muqatilah bi-Libya (Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, LIFG)

"The LIFG was founded in 1995 by a group of mujahideen veterans who had fought against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Upon their return to Libya they grew angry about what they viewed as the corruption and impiety of the Libyan regime and formed the LIFG to create a state that would show what they believed to be the true character of the Libyan people.

The most significant LIFG attack was a 1996 attempt to assassinate Gadhafi; LIFG members led by Wadi al-Shateh threw a bomb underneath his motorcade. The group also stages guerilla-style attacks against government security forces from its mountain bases. Although most LIFG members are strictly dedicated to toppling Gadhafi, intelligence reportedly indicates that some have joined forces with al-Qaida to wage jihad against Libyan and Western interests worldwide. ....
As recently as February 2004, then-Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee that "one of the most immediate threats [to U.S. security] is from smaller international Sunni extremist groups that have benefited from al-Qaida links. They include ... the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group."8

"In recent days Libyan officials have distributed security documents giving the details of Sufiyan al-Koumi, said to be a driver for Osama bin Laden, and of another militant allegedly involved in an "Islamic emirate" in Derna, in now-liberated eastern Libya. Koumi, the documents show, was freed in September 2010 as part of a "reform and repent" initiative organised by Saif al-Islam, Gaddafi's son....

The LIFG, established in Afghanistan in the 1990s, has assassinated dozens of Libyan soldiers and policemen. In 2009, to mark Gaddafi's 40 years in power, it apologised for trying to kill him and agreed to lay down its arms. MI6 [British Intelligence] has been accused in the past of supporting it. Six LIFG leaders, still in prison, disavowed their old ways and explained why fighting Gaddafi no longer constituted "legitimate" jihad. Abdul-Hakim al-Hasadi, another freed LIFG member, denied the official claims. "Gaddafi is trying to divide the people," he told al-Jazeera. "He claims that there is an Islamist emirate in Derna and that I am its emir. He is taking advantage of the fact that I am a former political prisoner."

Derna is famous as the home of a large number of suicide bombers in Iraq. It is also deeply hostile to Gaddafi. "Residents of eastern Libya in general, and Derna in particular, view the Gaddadfa (Gaddafi's tribe) as uneducated, uncouth interlopers from an inconsequential part of the country who have 'stolen' the right to rule in Libya," US diplomats were told in 2008, in a cable since released by WikiLeaks.

The last 110 members of the LIFG were freed on 16 February, the day after the Libyan uprising began. One of those released, Abdulwahab Mohammed Kayed, is the brother of Abu Yahya Al Libi, one of al Qaida's top propagandists. Koumi fled Libya and is said to have ended up in Afghanistan working for Bin Laden. Captured in Pakistan, he was handed over to the US and sent to Guantánamo Bay in 2002. In 2009 he was sent back to Libya.9 US counter-terrorist experts have expressed concern that al-Qaida could take advantage of a political vacuum if Gaddafi is overthrown. But most analysts say that, although the Islamists' ideology has strong resonance in eastern Libya, there is no sign that the protests are going to be hijacked by them.10

"Fierce clashes between [Qadhafi's] security forces and Islamist guerrillas erupted in Benghazi in September 1995, leaving dozens killed on both sides. After weeks of intense fighting, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) formally declared its existence in a communiqué calling Qadhafi's government "an apostate regime that has blasphemed against the faith of God Almighty" and declaring its overthrow to be "the foremost duty after faith in God." [3] This and future LIFG communiqués were issued by Libyan Afghans who had been granted political asylum in Britain.... The involvement of the British government in the LIFG campaign against Qadhafi remains the subject of immense controversy. LIFG's next big operation, a failed attempt to assassinate Qadhafi in February 1996 that killed several of his bodyguards, was later said to have been financed by British intelligence to the tune of $160,000, according to ex-MI5 officer David Shayler. [4] While Shayler's allegations have not been independently confirmed, it is clear that Britain allowed LIFG to develop a base of logistical support and fundraising on its soil. At any rate, financing by bin Laden appears to have been much more important. According to one report, LIFG received up to $50,000 from the Saudi terrorist mastermind for each of its militants killed on the battlefield." [2005]11

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Libyan Islamic Fighting Group Members released

"Americans, Britons and the French are finding themselves as comrades in arms with the rebel Islamic Fighting Group, the most radical element in the Al Qaeda network [to bring down Gaddhafi]. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted the risks of the unholy alliance in a congressional hearing, saying that the Libyan opposition is probably more anti-American than Muammar Gaddhafi. A decade ago, this very same delusion of a Western-Islamist partnership in Kosovo, Bosnia and Chechnya ended abruptly in the 9/11 attacks."12

5) Transitional National Council

"A RIVAL transitional government to the regime of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi looks set to win US and other international support as momentum builds to oust the longtime dictator.
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton confirmed yesterday that the Obama administration was reaching out to opponents of Colonel Gaddafi. She said the US was willing to offer ‘any kind of assistance' to remove him from power.
Protest leaders who have taken control in Libya's eastern cities claim to have established a transitional "national council" that amounts to rival rule. They have called on the country's army to join them as they prepare for an attack on the capital, Tripoli, where the Libyan leader retains control.
Confident the Libyan leader's 42-year rule was coming to an end, Mrs Clinton said yesterday: ‘We are just at the beginning of what will follow Gaddafi.'"13

6) Facebook

"He [Omar El- Hariri, Chief of Armed Forces for the Transitional National Council] remained under close surveillance by the security forces until Feb. 17, when the revolution started. It was not initiated by prominent figures of the older generation, he said, but began spontaneously when Tunisia and Egypt inspired the youth. ‘Children of Facebook!' he declared, in English, with a broad smile."14

7) Oil

"Libyan rebels in Benghazi said they have created a new national oil company to replace the corporation controlled by leader Muammar Qaddafi whose assets were frozen by the United Nations Security Council.
The Transitional National Council released a statement announcing the decision made at a March 19 meeting to establish the ‘Libyan Oil Company as supervisory authority on oil production and policies in the country, based temporarily in Benghazi, and the appointment of an interim director general" of the company.
The Council also said it "designated the Central Bank of Benghazi as a monetary authority competent in monetary policies in Libya and the appointment of a governor to the Central Bank of Libya, with a temporary headquarters in Benghazi."15

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TBC...

 
Title: - - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
Post by: Jan Robertson on March 27, 2011, 11:22:41 AM
Cont'd....

Peter Dale Scott's Libyan Notebook

II. Where Are the Libyan Rebel Arms Coming From?

Robert Fisk, "Libya in turmoil: America's secret plan to arm Libya's rebels;
Obama asks Saudis to airlift weapons into Benghazi," Independent, March 7, 2011:


"Desperate to avoid US military involvement in Libya in the event of a prolonged struggle between the Gaddafi regime and its opponents, the Americans have asked Saudi Arabia if it can supply weapons to the rebels in Benghazi. The Saudi Kingdom, already facing a "day of rage" from its 10 per cent Shia Muslim community on Friday, with a ban on all demonstrations, has so far failed to respond to Washington's highly classified request, although King Abdullah personally loathes the Libyan leader, who tried to assassinate him just over a year ago.

Washington's request is in line with other US military co-operation with the Saudis. The royal family in Jeddah, which was deeply involved in the Contra scandal during the Reagan administration, gave immediate support to American efforts to arm guerrillas fighting the Soviet army in Afghanistan in 1980 ....

But the Saudis remain the only US Arab ally strategically placed and capable of furnishing weapons to the guerrillas of Libya. Their assistance would allow Washington to disclaim any military involvement in the supply chain - even though the arms would be American and paid for by the Saudis.

The Saudis have been told that opponents of Gaddafi need anti-tank rockets and mortars as a first priority to hold off attacks by Gaddafi's armour, and ground-to-air missiles to shoot down his fighter-bombers.

Supplies could reach Benghazi within 48 hours but they would need to be delivered to air bases in Libya or to Benghazi airport. If the guerrillas can then go on to the offensive and assault Gaddafi's strongholds in western Libya, the political pressure on America and Nato - not least from Republican members of Congress - to establish a no-fly zone would be reduced.

US military planners have already made it clear that a zone of this kind would necessitate US air attacks on Libya's functioning, if seriously depleted, anti-aircraft missile bases, thus bringing Washington directly into the war on the side of Gaddafi's opponents.

For several days now, US Awacs surveillance aircraft have been flying around Libya, making constant contact with Malta air traffic control and requesting details of Libyan flight patterns, including journeys made in the past 48 hours by Gaddafi's private jet which flew to Jordan and back to Libya just before the weekend.

Officially, Nato will only describe the presence of American Awacs planes as part of its post-9/11 Operation Active Endeavour, which has broad reach to undertake aerial counter-terrorism measures in the Middle East region.

The data from the Awacs is streamed to all Nato countries under the mission's existing mandate. Now that Gaddafi has been reinstated as a super-terrorist in the West's lexicon, however, the Nato mission can easily be used to search for targets of opportunity in Libya if active military operations are undertaken.

Al Jazeera English television channel last night broadcast recordings made by American aircraft to Maltese air traffic control, requesting information about Libyan flights, especially that of Gaddafi's jet.

An American Awacs aircraft, tail number LX-N90442 could be heard contacting the Malta control tower on Saturday for information about a Libyan Dassault-Falcon 900 jet 5A-DCN on its way from Amman to Mitiga, Gaddafi's own VIP airport.

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US Awacs monitor Libya

Nato Awacs 07 is heard to say: "Do you have information on an aircraft with the Squawk 2017 position about 85 miles east of our [sic]?"

Malta air traffic control replies: "Seven, that sounds to be Falcon 900- at flight level 340, with a destination Mitiga, according to flight plan."

But Saudi Arabia is already facing dangers from a co-ordinated day of protest by its own Shia Muslim citizens who, emboldened by the Shia uprising in the neighbouring island of Bahrain, have called for street protests against the ruling family of al-Saud on Friday.

After pouring troops and security police into the province of Qatif last week, the Saudis announced a nationwide ban on all public demonstrations.

Shia organisers claim that up to 20,000 protesters plan to demonstrate with women in the front rows to prevent the Saudi army from opening fire.

If the Saudi government accedes to America's request to send guns and missiles to Libyan rebels, however, it would be almost impossible for President Barack Obama to condemn the kingdom for any violence against the Shias of the north-east provinces.

Thus has the Arab awakening, the demand for democracy in North Africa, the Shia revolt and the rising against Gaddafi become entangled in the space of just a few hours with US military priorities in the region. "16

"Libya rebels coordinating with West on air assault," Los Angeles Times, March 24, 2011

"Reports from the region suggest that the Saudis and Egyptians have been providing arms. Though U.S. officials could not confirm that, they say it is plausible."17

"Egypt Said to Arm Libya Rebels," Wall Street Journal, March 17, 2011:

"CAIRO-Egypt's military has begun shipping arms over the border to Libyan rebels with Washington's knowledge, U.S. and Libyan rebel officials said.

The shipments-mostly small arms such as assault rifles and ammunition-appear to be the first confirmed case of an outside government arming the rebel fighters. Those fighters have been losing ground for days in the face of a steady westward advance by forces loyal to Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi.

The Egyptian shipments are the strongest indication to date that some Arab countries are heeding Western calls to take a lead in efforts to intervene on behalf of pro-democracy rebels in their fight against Mr. Gadhafi in Libya. Washington and other Western countries have long voiced frustration with Arab states' unwillingness to help resolve crises in their own region, even as they criticized Western powers for attempting to do so.

The shipments also follow an unusually robust diplomatic response from Arab states. There have been rare public calls for foreign military intervention in an Arab country, including a vote by the 23-member Arab League last week urging the U.N. to impose a no-fly zone over Libya.

The vote provided critical political cover to Western powers wary of intervening militarily without a broad regional and international mandate. On Thursday evening, the U.N. Security Council voted on a resolution endorsing a no-fly zone in Libya and authorizing military action in support of the rebels.

Within the council, Lebanon took a lead role drafting and circulating the draft of the resolution, which calls for "all necessary measures" to enforce a ban on flights over Libya. The United Arab Emirates and Qatar have taken the lead in offering to participate in enforcing a no-fly zone, according to U.N. diplomats.

Libyan rebel officials in Benghazi, meanwhile, have praised Qatar from the first days of the uprising, calling the small Gulf state their staunchest ally. Qatar has consistently pressed behind the scenes for tough and urgent international action behind the scenes, these officials said.

Qatari flags fly prominently in rebel-held Benghazi. After pro-Gadhafi forces retook the town of Ras Lanuf last week, Libyan state TV broadcast images of food-aid packages bearing the Qatari flag.

The White House has been reluctant to back calls from leaders in Congress for arming Libya's rebels directly, arguing that the U.S. must first fully assess who the fighters are and what policies they will pursue if they succeeded in toppling Col. Gadhafi. U.S. officials believe the opposition includes some Islamist elements. They fear that Islamist groups hostile to the U.S. could try to hijack the opposition and take any arms that are provided.

The Egyptian weapons transfers began ‘a few days ago' and are ongoing, according to a senior U.S. official. ‘There's no formal U.S. policy or acknowledgement that this is going on,' said the senior official. But ‘this is something we have knowledge of.'

Calls to Egypt's foreign ministry and the spokesman for the prime minister seeking comment went unanswered. There is no means of reaching Egypt's military for comment. An Egyptian official in Washington said he had no knowledge of weapon shipments.

The U.S. official also noted that the shipments appeared to come "too little, too late" to tip the military balance in favor of the rebels, who have faced an onslaught from Libyan forces backed by tanks, artillery and aircraft.

"We know the Egyptian military council is helping us, but they can't be so visible," said Hani Souflakis, a Libyan businessman in Cairo who has been acting as a rebel liaison with the Egyptian government since the uprising began.

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Anti-Gadhafi fighters in Benghazi

"Weapons are getting through," said Mr. Souflakis, who says he has regular contacts with Egyptian officials in Cairo and the rebel leadership in Libya. "Americans have given the green light to the Egyptians to help. The Americans don't want to be involved in a direct level, but the Egyptians wouldn't do it if they didn't get the green light."

Western officials and rebel leaders in Libya said the U.S. has wanted to avoid being seen as taking a leadership role in any military action against Mr. Gadhafi after its invasions of Iraq and Afganistan fueled anger and mistrust with Washington throughout the region.

But the U.S. stated clearly it wants Mr. Gadhafi out of power and has signaled it would support those offering help to the rebels militarily or otherwise.

A spokesman for the rebel government in Benghazi said arms shipments have begun arriving to the rebels but declined to specify where they came from.

"Our military committee is purchasing arms and arming our people. The weapons are coming, but the nature of the weapons, the amount, where it's coming from, that has been classified," said the spokesman, Mustafa al-Gherryani.

The U.S. official said Egypt wanted to keep the shipments covert. In public, Egypt has sought to maintain a neutral stance toward the rebel uprising in Libya. Egypt abstained during the Arab League's vote calling for the U.N. to impose a no-fly zone on Mr. Gadhafi, according to people familiar with the internal Arab League deliberations.

Hundreds of thousands of Egyptian laborers are believed to still be in Libya.

On the other hand, the Egyptian military's covert support for the rebels suggests that it has calculated that Mr. Gadhafi is unlikely to remain in power, at least in the eastern half of the country, and therefore Egypt is eager to begin to build good relations with the rebels.

Rebel forces in the past 24 hours appeared to make some progress fending off pro-Gadhafi forces' assaults and have rolled out new weapons for the first time since the uprising began last month. Among them are rebel tanks that have taken up positions on the front lines in recent days. Rebels also launched fighter-jet attacks on government positions on Wednesday for the first time so far.

The tanks and fighter jets are believed to have been among the weapons seized by rebels from defected units of the Libyan army in the eastern half of the country, but they have received spare parts or trained mechanics from outside the country to help them deploy them, some rebel officials have speculated.
-Sam Dagher and Adam Entous contributed to this article.18

Benjamin Gottlieb, "Egypt Arms Libyan Rebels As Gaddafi's Conquest Continues," NeonTommy Annenberg Digital News, March 17, 2011:

Arms shipments from Egypt's military have begun flowing across the border into Libya with U.S. knowledge, Libyan rebels and U.S. officials said Thursday.

Made up mostly of small arms, such as assault rifles and ammunition, the shipments are the first confirmed reports of an outside government supporting rebel fighters with weapons. Rebels have been loosing ground for days against pro-Gaddafi forces aiming to end the conflict before foreign intervention plans are finalized.

TBC.....

Title: - - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
Post by: Jan Robertson on March 27, 2011, 11:24:46 AM
Cont'd....

Although the U.N. approved a "no-fly zone" over Libya late Thursday, rebel forces fear that any planned foreign intervention would be too little to late.

The shipment of arms indicated an unusually bold response by an Arab nation intervening in a conflict outside its borders. There have also been rare public decrees for the West to intervene in the conflict - the Arab League voted 23-0 last week encouraging the U.N. to impose the "no-fly zone" over Libya.

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No-Fly Zone

In spite of reports of arms flowing across the Egyptian boarder, Egyptian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Menha Bakhoum told Reuters that Egypt would not be involved in any military intervention in neighboring Libya.

"Egypt will not be among those Arab states. We will not be involved in any military intervention. No intervention period," Bakhoum said.

Bakhoum was responding to comments by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who said Thursday that discussions were on the table regarding Arab involvement in U.S. and European intervention in the conflict.

Clinton has said repeatedly that the U.S. desires involvement from a neighboring Arab nation in any planned intervention.

A Libyan rebel government spokesman in Benghazi, Mustafa al-Gherryani, said rebels have begun receiving arms shipments from neighboring nations, however he declined to reveal their origin.

"Our military committee is purchasing arms and arming our people. The weapons are coming, but the nature of the weapons, the amount, where it's coming from, that has been classified," he said.19

Yoichi Shimatsu, "Mideast Revolutions and 9-11 Intrigues Created in Qatar," New America Media, March 1, 2011

"It may puzzle and perhaps dismay young protesters in Benghazi, Cairo and Tunisia that their democratic hopes are being manipulated by an ultra-conservative Arab elite which has underhandedly backed a surge of militant Islamist radicals across North Africa. Credible U.S. intelligence reports have cited evidence pointing to Qatar's long-running support for the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda and jihadist fighters returning from Afghanistan.

The links to Qatar uncovered by anti-terrorism investigators in the wake of 9-11 need to be reexamined now that the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), an on-and-off affiliate of Al Qaeda, has seized armories across half of the North African country. Libya's well-stocked arsenals contain high-power explosives, rocket launchers and chemical weapons. LIFG is on the State Department's terrorist list.

Most worrying, according to a U.S. intelligence official cited by CNN, is the probable loss of chemical weapons. The Federation of American Scientists reports that, as of 2008, only 40 percent of Libya's mustard gas was destroyed in the second round of decommissioning. Chemical canisters along the Egyptian border were yet to be retrieved and are now presumably in the hands of armed militants.

After initially letting slip that the earliest Libyan protests were organized by the LIFG, Al Jazeera quickly changed its line to present a heavily filtered account portraying the events as ‘peaceful protests'. To explain away the gunshot deaths of Libyan soldiers during the uprising, the Qatar-based network presented a bizarre scenario of 150 dead soldiers in Libya having been executed by their officers for ‘refusing to fight'. The mysterious officers then miraculously vacated their base disappearing into thin air while surrounded by angry protesters! Off the record, one American intelligence analyst called these media claims an ‘absurdity' and suggested instead the obvious: that the soldiers were gunned down in an armed assault by war-hardened returned militants from Iraq and Afghanistan....
According to a Congressional Research Service report of January 2008, ‘Some observers have raised questions about possible support for Al Qaeda by some Qatari citizens, including members of Qatar's large ruling family. According to the 9/11 Commission Report, Qatar's Interior Minister provided a safe haven to 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed during the mid-1990s, and press reports indicate other terrorists may have received financial support or safe haven in Qatar after September 11, 2001.'

The national security chief, Interior Minister Abdullah bin Khalid al-Thani, is further mentioned as paying for a 1995 trip by Khalid Shaikh Mohammed ‘to join the Bosnia jihad.' The report recalls how after the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, FBI officials "narrowly missed an opportunity to capture" the suspect in Qatar. ‘Former U.S. officials have since stated their belief that a high-ranking member of the Qatari government alerted him to the impending raid, allowing him to flee the country.'"20


Peter Dale Scott, a former Canadian diplomat and English Professor at the University of California, Berkeley, is the author of Drugs Oil and War, The Road to 9/11, The War Conspiracy: JFK, 9/11, and the Deep Politics of War. His most recent book is American War Machine: Deep Politics, the CIA Global Drug Connection and the Road to Afghanistan. Peter Dale Scott is a Research Associate of the Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG). 

His most recent book is American War Machine: Deep Politics, the CIA Global Drug Connection and the Road to Afghanistan.
His website, which contains a wealth of his writings, is here.

Notes

1 “Defense Secretary Gates, who recently warned against any further protracted US ground war, said on March 23 that the end of military action in Libya is unknown and could last longer than a few weeks. ‘I think there are any number of possible outcomes here and no one is in a position to predict them,’ Gates told reporters in Egypt” (C-Span, March 24, 2011).

2 Interested readers may wish to consult my first exploration, “Googling ‘Revolution’ in North Africa.”

3 Dan Lieberman, “Muammar Al Gaddafi Meets His Own Rebels,” CounterCurrents.org, March 9, 2011.

4 Joel Bainerman, Inside the Covert Operations of the CIA & Israel's Mossad (New York: S.P.I. Books, 1994), 14.

5 Richard Keeble, “The Secret War Against Libya,” MediaLens, 2002.

6 "Petroleum and Empire in North Africa. NATO Invasion of Libya Underway," By Keith Harmon Snow, 2 March 2011.

7 Ghali Hassan, “U.S. Love Affair with Murderous Dictators and Hate for Democracy.” Axis of Logic, Mar 17, 2011.

8 Center for Defense Information, “In the Spotlight: The Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG),” January 18, 2005

9 Qadhafi was concerned about Al Qaeda terrorism in Libya, and in 1996 Libya became the first government to place Osama bin Laden on Interpol’s Wanted List (Rohan Gunaratna, Inside Al Qaeda: Global Network of Terror [New York: Columbia UP, 2002], 142). Thereafter American and Libyan intelligence collaborated closely for some years against Al Qaeda. Beginning when?

10 Ian Black, “Libya rebels rejects Gaddafi's al-Qaida spin,” Guardian, March 1, 2011.

11 Gary Gambill, "The Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), Jamestown Foundation," Terrorism Monitor, May 5, 2005,; citing Al-Hayat (London), 20 October 1995 [“communiqué”]; "The Shayler affair: The spooks, the Colonel and the jailed whistle-blower," The Observer (London), 9 August 1998; Jean-Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasquié, Ben Laden: La Verite interdite (Bin Ladin: The Forbidden Truth). Cf. also Annie Machon, Spies, Lies and Whistleblowers: MI5, MI6 And the Shayler Affair (Book Guild Publishing, 2005) [Shayler].

12 Yoichi Shimatsu, “Attack on Libya: Why Odyssey Dawn Is Doomed,” New America Media, March 20, 2011.

13 “US reaches out to Libyan insurgents,” The Australian, March 1, 2011,

14 “How a onetime friend to Gadhafi became his rival,” Globe and Mail [Toronto], March 4, 2011.

15 Libyan Rebel Council in Benghazi Forms Oil Company to Replace Qaddafi’s,” Bloomberg, March 22, 2011.

16 Robert Fisk, “America's secret plan to arm Libya's rebels,” Independent, March 7, 2011.

17 “Libya rebels coordinating with West on air assault,” Los Angeles Times, March 24, 2011.

18 “Egypt Said to Arm Libya Rebels,” Wall Street Journal, March 17, 2011,

19 Benjamin Gottlieb, “Egypt Arms Libyan Rebels As Gaddafi's Conquest Continues,” NeonTommy Annenberg Digital News, March 17, 2011.

20 Yoichi Shimatsu, “Mideast Revolutions and 9-11 Intrigues Created in Qatar,” New America Media, March 1, 2011. The al-Thani family’s protection of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed is confirmed by former CIA officer Robert Baer (Los Angeles Times, March 23, 2003). Cf. Robert Baer, Sleeping with the Devil (New York: Crown, 2003); Peter Lance, Triple Cross (New York: Regan/HarperCollins, 2006), 234-37.


Title: - - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 27, 2011, 12:48:59 PM
Revolutionaries retake key Libyan town
Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:13PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/171781.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/171781.html)


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Libyans jubilate on top of a car after revolutionary forces regained control over Ajdabiya on March 26, 2011.

Libyan revolutionaries say they have regained control of the strategic oil-rich town of Brega after heavy fighting with forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi.
Latest reports have confirmed that the opposition forces advanced to the town center on Saturday.
 
"Gaddafi's forces are on the retreat and should now be at Al-Bisher -- 30 kilometers (20 miles) -- west of Brega," AFP quoted Abdelsalam al-Maadani, an opposition commander as saying.
 
This comes hours after revolutionary forces won back control of the strategic nearby eastern city of Ajdabiyah.
 
The revolutionaries had earlier pulled out of the towns when they came under heavy shelling.
 
Meanwhile, heavy clashes are underway near the city of Misratah. Reports say pro-Gaddafi forces are still in control of the eastern and western entrances of the city but that the revolutionary forces are advancing in parts of the city.
 
This is while Western-led forces have carried-out airstrikes against the Gaddafi forces on the outskirts of the city.
 
Opposition forces are being led by the Benghazi-based National Libyan Council.
 
The council, headed by Libya's former Justice Minister Mustafa Abdel Jalil, plans to lead the country to an election.
 
Jalil was among the first high-profile Libyan figures to join protesters following the Gaddafi regime's brutal crackdown on the opposition.
 
Libyan State TV said Western-led warplanes hit civilian and military sites in Tripoli and Zliten.  Several explosions were heard in Tripoli.
 
Libya says at least 114 people -- many of them civilians -- have been killed in US-led airstrikes over the past 24 hours.
 
According to the Libyan Health Ministry, more than 450 people were also injured in the attacks.
 
Dozens of civilians have been killed in Libya since the US-led military alliance launched its attacks on the North African country.
 
Arab League chief Amr Moussa earlier said that the invasion was in violation of Resolution 1973, which calls for protection of civilians.

LW - wait till NATO' finds out.
 
Title: Re: * Morning Brief: American jet crashes in Libya
Post by: bpocatch on March 27, 2011, 01:13:58 PM
March Madness is an 'merican college basketball contest.  The chart is how the track teams.  Two teams enter one teams leave.
Title: - - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
Post by: Rudi Jan on March 27, 2011, 02:19:36 PM
'US drops uranium bombs on Libya'

Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:36PM

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US B-2 bomber

The Stop the War Coalition says the bombs and missiles that the US-led military alliance has dropped on several Libyan cities contain depleted uranium (DU).
 
The report recently published on the Coalition's website said that in the first 24 hours of the war on Libya, dozens of bombs and cruise missiles were launched by US, British, and French forces -- all with depleted uranium warheads.
 
US B-2 aircraft dropped forty-five 2,000-pound bombs on key Libyan cities, it added.
 
DU munitions are controversial because they raise long-term health concerns like kidney damage, cancer, skin disorders and genetic defects.
 
"[Depleted uranium tipped missiles] fit the description of a dirty bomb in every way... I would say that it is the perfect weapon for killing lots of people," said Marion Falk, chemical physicist (retd.), Lawrence Livermore Lab in California.
 
The report comes as the Western forces claim the operation in Libya is aimed at protecting civilians.
 
Director of the US military's Joint Staff Bill Gortney has told reporters at a Pentagon briefing that he is not aware of any use of depleted uranium munitions in Libya.
 
Libya says at least 114 people -- many of them civilians -- have been killed in US-led airstrikes in the country.
 
"We are losing many lives, military and civilians," Libyan government Spokesman Mussa Ibrahim said in Tripoli.
 
Dozens of civilians have been killed in Libya since US-led forces launched aerial and sea attacks on the North African country.
 
Libyan troops have also killed thousands of civilians since a revolution started against Colonel Gaddafi in mid-February.


LW _ the gift that keeps on giving.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on March 27, 2011, 02:50:11 PM
Libya revolutionaries take Ras Lanuf

Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:18PM
source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/171865.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/171865.html)



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Libyan opposition fighters are seen on the outskirts of the town of Ben Jawad on March 27, 2011.

Libyan revolutionary forces have taken control of more strategically-important cities as they push westward toward the capital, TripoliL

Libyan troops have also killed hundreds of civilians and tortured several others in the North African country since a revolution started against Colonel Gaddafi in mid-February.

Latest reports say opposition forces took control of the oil-rich eastern city of Ras Lanuf on Sunday, after recapturing the key cities of Ajdabiya and Brega the previous day.
 
The opposition forces also recaptured Ben Jawad, a hamlet 50 kilometers (30 miles) west of Ras Lanuf.
 
Sources say opposition forces took advantage of French airstrikes on Ben Jawad on Sunday morning that destroyed several Libyan tanks.
 
Revolutionary forces lost control of the three cities to forces loyal to Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi about two weeks ago.
 
The revolutionary forces are being led by the Benghazi-based National Libyan Council.
 
The council, headed by Libya's former Justice Minister Mustafa Abdel Jalil, plans to lead the country to an election.
 
Jalil was among the first high-profile Libyan figures to join protesters following the Gaddafi regime's brutal crackdown on the opposition.
 
Ras Lanuf is located 370 kilometers (230 miles) west of the opposition stronghold city of Benghazi.
 
Also on Saturday night, French fighter jets destroyed at least five warplanes and two helicopters belonging to pro-Gaddafi forces in the western cities of Zintan and Misratah.
 
The US-led military alliance has been carrying out airstrikes between Ajdabiya and coastal city of Sirte -- Gaddafi's hometown.
 
US President Barack Obama recently said that Western military mission in Libya is close to victory.
 
"Make no mistake, because we acted quickly, a humanitarian catastrophe has been avoided and the lives of countless civilians - innocent men, women and children - have been saved," Obama said in his weekly address,
 
The Libyan government, however, says the fresh Western-led airstrikes have left many civilians dead.
 
"We are losing many lives, military and civilians," Libyan government Spokesman Mussa Ibrahim said in Tripoli.
 
Libya says at least 114 people -- many of them civilians -- have been killed in US-led airstrikes in the country.
 
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Post by: laconas on March 27, 2011, 05:44:44 PM

Quote
"US official records indicate that funding for the Chad-based secret war against Libya also came from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Morocco, Israel and Iraq. The Saudis, for instance, donated $7m to an opposition group, the National Front for the Salvation of Libya (also backed by French intelligence and the CIA). But a plan to assassinate Gadafi and take over the government on 8 May 1984 was crushed. In the following year, the US asked Egypt to invade Libya and overthrow Gadafi but President Mubarak refused. By the end of 1985, the Washington Post had exposed the plan after congressional leaders opposing it wrote in protest to President Reagan."5

I suspected early on during the the Egyptian protests the Jews wanted Mubarak out because he wasn't following orders. I guessed they wanted him to invade the Sudan, I would of never guessed they wanted him to overthrow Libya.

The now twisted narrative is the protests in Egypt caused the uprising in Libya, but the truth might be the plan was Libya all along and the protests were only a means to remove Mubarak who didn't want to aid in the invasion of Libya. The same is probably true of Ben Ali of Tunisia; he probably didn't want to aid in the invasion of Libya.

The removal of Arab leaders, by the so called twitter/facebook people's revolutions who didn't want to go along with the big plan, and the installation of puppet military regimes, should eventually lead up to the covert and overt invasions of the Sudan and Syria.
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Post by: laconas on March 27, 2011, 06:40:34 PM
Libyan rebels 'sign oil export deal with Qatar'

Libyan rebels say they have signed an oil contract with Qatar to export oil from rebel-held territory.

"We are producing about 100,000 to 130,000 barrels a day, we can easily up that to about 300,000 a day," rebel spokesman Ali Tarhouni told the Associated Press.

He said that shipments of crude would start in "less than a week".

The rebels say their main concern is obtaining insurance for any tankers taking oil from Libya.

Libya produces 1.6m barrels per day of oil but analysts believe this has fallen by at least two-thirds since unrest began last month.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12875810


The opposition group and the current so called puppet govt. of Iraq probably signed a deal to sell Iraq's oil before the Iraq War started but we didn't hear about it. I guess since just about everyone has caught on it's about liberating Libya oil, they decided to use this new approach -- yes, the oil is being stolen, but it's not being stolen by us Jews, but by fellow Arabs.
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Post by: Sue on March 28, 2011, 08:13:25 AM
'US drops uranium bombs on Libya'

Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:36PM

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US B-2 bomberLW _ the gift that keeps on giving.

WOW! If that is true (which I sincerely hope it is not) the whole United States Government should taken to the Hague ~ in chains.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on March 28, 2011, 10:24:48 AM
WOW! If that is true (which I sincerely hope it is not) the whole United States Government should taken to the Hague ~ in chains.

That would require a massive airlift which is not eco-friendly. Better we put some good rope to use. Lamp posts are just about everywhere.
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Post by: Sue on March 28, 2011, 11:01:48 AM
That would require a massive airlift which is not eco-friendly. Better we put some good rope to use. Lamp posts are just about everywhere.

LOL - do you realize that suggestions of that nature may put you on the 'No-Fly' list?
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Post by: Rudi Jan on March 28, 2011, 05:20:27 PM
Libya fighters near Gaddafi hometown

Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:56PM

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A Libyan opposition fighter looks though a multiple rocket launcher (MRL) on the outskirts of the town of Bin Jawad on March 27, 2011.


Libyan revolutionary forces are fighting their way to the key city of Sirte, which is the hometown of embattled Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.
 A Press TV correspondent said on Monday that it would be the beginning of the end for Gaddafi if the city falls. The revolutionary forces are less than 100 km away from Sirte.
 
 He added that forces loyal to Colonel Gaddafi are holed-up in the populated city.
 
The town remains a major obstacle for opposition forces on the march toward the gates of Tripoli.
 
Media reports say the US-led airstrikes have also hit military tanks in Gaddafi's birthplace over the past hours.
 
Libyan government sources say three civilians had been killed in the city's port.
 
Unconfirmed reports earlier said that revolutionary forces had taken Sirte, sparking celebratory gunfire in Benghazi -- the opposition stronghold.
 
In recent days, the opposition forces have taken control of the cities of Ras Lanuf, Ben Jawad, Uqaylah, Ajdabiya and Brega.
 
Meanwhile, Qatar has become the first Arab country to recognize the National Libyan Council as the legitimate representatives of Libya.
 
The move is seen as a symbolic diplomatic victory for the opposition.
 
However, Russia has once again condemned Western airstrikes against Libya.
 
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov made the statement following a meeting with his Kyrgyz counterpart Ruslan Kazakbaev in Moscow.
 
Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has also condemned the attacks, saying they remind him of a medieval crusade.
 
Russia abstained during the UN Security Council vote on imposing a no-fly zone over Libya.
 
Moscow, however, did not use its veto right to block the move.
 
Dozens of civilians have been killed in Libya since US-led forces launched aerial and sea attacks on the North African country.
 
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Post by: FrankDialogue on March 31, 2011, 05:59:30 AM
Here's the latest news: I heard this on CNN last night, and they had Paul Wolfowitz expounding about 'defending the brave Libyan freedom fighters'...It's all 'newspeak'...In this article from NPR, where we see that the White House is announcing publicly that 'covert operation CIA teams' will be teaching 'Libyan rebels' how to 'shoot guns' to win their freedom...I mean, this is like a cartoon caricature, and they are getting really lazy and they're also just re-running the same old script over and over again...I believe there is a genuine Libyan opposition, but it has been neutralized by the 'Big Jew' Gaddafi, the media, NATO, all the usual suspects...Who's zooming whom here?...I'm sure the CIA is throwing it's hands up in disgust and embarrassment to hear this crap coming from the White House, being set up as a fall guy.

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CIA Operatives Gathering Intelligence In Libya

by NPR Staff and Wires

March 31, 2011


The CIA has sent a small, covert team into rebel-held eastern Libya while the White House debates whether to arm the opposition, NPR has confirmed.

The operatives are in Libya to gather intelligence to help direct NATO airstrikes and to help train inexperienced rebel fighters.

"The CIA team is there to train them how to shoot, how to fight, how to have military discipline," NPR's Deborah Amos reported from Cairo. "They are joining a team of former Libyan military officers who are now training about 30,000 young Libyans in the rebel stronghold to also improve discipline, improve communications and make it into a more coherent fighting force."

The move was authorized after President Obama signed what's called a "finding," a legal step necessary before the CIA can carry out secret operations, NPR's Tom Bowman reported.

http://www.npr.org/2011/03/31/135005728/cia-operatives-gathering-intelligence-in-libya (http://www.npr.org/2011/03/31/135005728/cia-operatives-gathering-intelligence-in-libya)
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Post by: pope daniel on March 31, 2011, 06:52:43 AM
didnt the cia train al-queda too. i guarantee there will be terrorist attacks on us-soil blamed on ex-libyan rebels within the next 15 years
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Post by: thomaspain on March 31, 2011, 04:25:54 PM
In this article from NPR, where we see that the White House is announcing publicly that 'covert operation CIA teams' will be teaching 'Libyan rebels' how to 'shoot guns' to win their freedom

   It probably will not be too long before we are sending a brigade of Marines there as advisors.
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Post by: laconas on March 31, 2011, 05:49:33 PM

We might as well get to know the Qaddafis now that the Jews have decided to take them out one by one.


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http://en.rian.ru/infographics/20110328/163250484.html
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Post by: wag on March 31, 2011, 05:59:58 PM
We might as well get to know the Qaddafis now that the Jews have decided to take them out one by one.

During the last 20 years, geo-politically motivated murder has become an acceptable military tactic.  They're right, we're all jews now.
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Post by: laconas on March 31, 2011, 06:19:41 PM
During the last 20 years, geo-politically motivated murder has become an acceptable military tactic.  They're right, we're all jews now.

Especially in Israel.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on March 31, 2011, 08:16:27 PM
'Libyan aide in London for secret talks'

Fri Apr 1, 2011 1:20AM

Source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/172523.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/172523.html)

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Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair (L) and Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi

An aide to the Libyan regime has arrived in London for secret talks with the UK government, adding fuels to speculations that the regime is seeking a way out of the crisis, a report says.

The Libyan envoy identified as Mohammed Ismail, who is a senior aide to Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi's son, Saif al-Islam, have held secret talks with British officials a day after Libyan Foreign Minister Mussa Koussa fled to London and announced his resignation, The Guardian reported on Thursday.
 
Even though Libyan officials in Tripoli have portrayed Ismail's visit as a trip to see his children, who are being educated in Britain, many analysts believe covert talks are afoot between Tripoli and London to hammer out an exit strategy for Gaddafi and his henchmen to extricate themselves from the ongoing revolution in Libya.
 
The controversial trip comes amid signs that the Libyan regime is crumbling from within after Koussa, who was a member of the Libyan Bureau for External Security in the 1980s, flew to England from Tunisia on Wednesday.
 
Earlier on Thursday, Kli Abdessalam Treki, the president of the General Assembly of the United Nations, said in a statement on Thursday that he will not represent crisis-hit Libya at the UN.
 
Meanwhile, reports say the United States and Britain have dispatched covert intelligence operatives into Libya as part of efforts to make contacts with opposition forces and to pave the way for furtherance of US-led aerial strikes against Gaddafi's forces.

LW - They're merely touching base to coordinate the destruction of the revolutionaries. That last paragraph is merely for public consumption.
 
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Post by: Jan Robertson on April 01, 2011, 10:38:26 AM

America's Planned Nuclear Attack on Libya
By Prof. Michel Chossudovsky
 
URL of this article: www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24049
Global Research, March 30, 2011


A war on Libya has been on the drawing board of the Pentagon for more than 20 years. Using nukes against Libya was first envisaged in 1997. 

On April 14th 1986, Ronald Reagan ordered a series of bombings directed against Libya under "Operation El Dorado Canyon", in reprisal for an alleged Libya sponsored terrorist bombing of a Berlin discotheque. The pretext was fabricated. During these air raids, which were condemned by both France and Italy, Qadhafi's residence was bombed killing his younger daughter.



Barely acknowledged by the Western media, a planned attack on Libya using nuclear weapons, had been contemplated by the Clinton Administration in 1997, at the height of the Monica Lewinsky scandal. 

The Department of Defense had developed a new generation of bunker buster tactical nuclear weapons for use in the Middle East and Central Asia:


"Military officials and leaders of America's nuclear weapon laboratories [had] urged the US to develop a new generation of precision low-yield nuclear weapons... which could be used in conventional conflicts with third-world nations." (Federation of American Scientists, 2001, emphasis added)


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The B61-11 earth-penetrating weapon with a nuclear warhead had not been tested. It was part of the B61 series, coupled with a so-called "low yield" nuclear warhead. According to US military sources: "If used in North Korea, the radioactive fallout [of the B61-11] could drift over nearby countries such as Japan." (B61-11 Earth-Penetrating Weapon, Globalsecurity.org). The B61-11 earth-penetrating version of the B61 was configured initially to have a "low" 10 kiloton yield, 66.6 percent of a Hiroshima bomb, for post-Cold War battlefield operations in the Middle East and Central Asia. 

The Pentagon's Plan to Nuke Libya

The B61-11 tactical nuclear weapon was slated by the Pentagon to be used in 1997 against the "Qadhafi regime":

"Senior Pentagon officials ignited controversy last April [1997] by suggesting that the earth-penetrating [nuclear] weapon would soon be available for possible use against a suspected underground chemical factory being built by Libya at Tarhunah. This thinly-veiled threat came just eleven days after the United States signed the African Nuclear Weapons Free Zone Treaty, designed to prohibit signatories from using or threatening to use nuclear weapons against any other signatory, including Libya." (David Muller, Penetrator N-Bombs, International Action Center, 1997)

Tarbunah has a population of more than 200,000 people, men, women and children. It is about 60 km East of Tripoli. Had this "humanitarian bomb" (with a "yield" or explosive capacity of two-thirds of a Hiroshima bomb) been launched on this "suspected" WMD facility, it would have resulted in tens of thousands of deaths, not to mention the nuclear fallout...

The man behind this diabolical project to nuke Libya was Assistant Secretary of Defense Harold Palmer Smith Junior. "Even before the B61 came on line, Libya was identified as a potential target". (Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists - September/ October 1997, p. 27, emphasis added)

Harold Palmer Smith had been appointed by President Bill Clinton to oversee nuclear, chemical, and biological defense programs with a focus on "the reduction and maintenance of the US arsenal of nuclear weapons". From the outset, his actual mandate, was not "reduce" but to "increase" the nuclear arsenal by promoting the development of a new generation of "harmless" mini-nukes for use in the Middle East war theater.

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Harold Palmer Smith Junior

"Testing" the B611-11 Nuclear Bomb on an Actual Country

The Department of Defense's objective under Harold Smith's advice was to fasttrack the "testing" of  the B61-11 nuclear bomb on an actual country:
Five months after [Assistant Defense Secretary] Harold Smith called for an acceleration of the B61-11 production schedule, he went public with an assertion that the Air Force would use the B61-11 [nuclear weapon] against Libya's alleged underground chemical weapons plant at Tarhunah if the President decided that the plant had to be destroyed. "We could not take [Tarhunah] out of commission using strictly conventional weapons," Smith told the Associated Press. The B61-11 "would be the nuclear weapon of choice," he told Jane's Defence Weekly.

Smith gave the statement during a breakfast interview with reporters after Defense Secretary William Perry had earlier told a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on chemical or biological weapons that the U.S. retained the option of using nuclear weapons against countries armed with chemical and biological weapons. (http://www.nukestrat.com/us/afn/B61-11.htm, emphasis added)

While the Pentagon later denied its intention to bomb Libya's Tarhunah plant, it nonetheless confirmed that "Washington would not rule out using nuclear weapons [against Libya]". (Ibid., emphasis added.)

Nukes and Mini-Nukes: Iraq and Afghanistan

The US military contends that "mini-nukes" are "humanitarian bombs" which minimize "collateral damage". According to scientific opinion on contract to the Pentagon, they are  "harmless to the surrounding civilian population because the explosion is underground",

The B61-11 is a bon fide thermonuclear bomb, a Weapon of Mass Destruction (WMD) in the real sense of the word.   

Military documents distinguish between the  Nuclear Earth Penetrator (NEP) and the "mini-nuke", which are nuclear weapons with a yield of less than 10 kilotons (two-thirds of a Hiroshima bomb). The NEP can have a yield of up to a 1000 kilotons, or seventy times a Hiroshima bomb.

This distinction between mini-nukes and  the NEP is in many regards misleading. In practice there is no dividing line. We are broadly dealing with the same type of weaponry: the B61-11 has several "available yields", ranging from "low yields" of less than one kiloton, to mid-range, and up to the 1000 kiloton bomb.

In all cases, the radioactive fallout is devastating. Moreover, the B61 series of thermonuclear weapons includes several models with distinct specifications: the B61-11, the B61-3, B61- 4, B61-7 and B61-10. Each of these bombs has several "available yields".

What is contemplated for theater use is the "low yield" 10 kt bomb, two-thirds of a Hiroshima bomb.

The Libya 1997 "Nuclear Option" had set the Stage...

Neither the Bush nor the Obama administrations have excluded using thermonuclear bunker buster bombs in the Middle East war theater. These weapons were specifically developed for use in post Cold War "conventional conflicts with third world nations".  They were approved for use in the conventional war theater by the US Senate in 2002, following the adoption of the 2001 Nuclear Posture Review.

In October 2001, in the immediate wake of 9/11, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld envisaged the use of the B61-11 in Afghanistan. The stated targets were Al Qaeda cave bunkers in the Tora Bora mountains.

Rumsfeld stated at the time that while the "conventional" bunker buster bombs "'are going to be able to do the job'... he did not rule out the eventual use of nuclear weapons." (Quoted in the Houston Chronicle, 20 October 2001, emphasis added.)

The use of the B61-11 was also contemplated during the 2003 bombing and invasion of Iraq. In this regard, the B61-11 was described as "a precise, earth-penetrating low-yield nuclear weapon against high-value underground targets", which included Saddam Hussein's underground bunkers:

"If Saddam was arguably the highest value target in Iraq, then a good case could be made for using a nuclear weapon like the B61-11 to assure killing him and decapitating the regime." (Defense News, December 8, 2003, emphasis added) 

"All options are on the table"... Sheer madness. Nukes to implement "regime change"... What Rumsfeld had proposed, as part of a "humanitarian mandate", was the use of a nuclear bomb to "take out" the president of a foreign country.

(author's note: There is no documentary evidence that the B61-11 was used against Iraq).

Is a Nuclear Attack on Libya Still on the Pentagon's Drawing Board?

"The Coalition of the Willing" under US-NATO mandate is currently involved in "a humanitarian war" on Libya to "protect the lives of innocent civilians".

Is the use of a nuclear bomb excluded under the Alliance's R2P Responsibility to Protect Doctrine?

The Bush administration's 2001 nuclear doctrine contained specific "guidelines" regarding "preemptive" nuclear strikes against several countries in the broader Middle East Central Asian region, which explictly included Libya.

As revealed by William Arkin in early 2002, "The Bush administration, in a secret policy review... [had] ordered the Pentagon to draft contingency plans for the use of nuclear weapons [The 2001 Nuclear Posture Review approved by the Senate in late 2002] against at least seven countries, naming not only Russia and the "axis of evil"--Iraq, Iran, and North Korea--but also China, Libya and Syria. (See William Arkin, "Thinking the Unthinkable", Los Angeles Times, 9 March 2002) 

In addition, the U.S. Defense Department has been told to prepare for the possibility that nuclear weapons may be required in some future Arab-Israeli crisis. And, it is to develop plans for using nuclear weapons to retaliate against chemical or biological attacks, as well as "surprising military developments" of an unspecified nature. These and a host of other directives, including calls for developing bunker-busting mini-nukes and nuclear weapons that reduce collateral damage, are contained in a still-classified document called the Nuclear Posture Review (NPR), which was delivered to Congress on Jan. 8. (ibid)

The preemptive nuclear doctrine (DJNO) --endorsed by the Obama Administration-- allows for the preemptive use of "mini nukes" in conventional war theaters directed against "rogue states". While the "guidelines" do not exclude other (more deadly) categories of nukes in the US /NATO nuclear arsenal, Pentagon "scenarios" in the Middle East and North Africa are currently limited to the use of tactical nuclear weapons including the B61-11 bunker buster bomb.

The fact that Libya had been singled out by the Pentagon for a possible 1997 mini-nuke "trial run" was a significant element in the formulation of the 2001 Nuclear Posture Review (NPR).

It is worth noting that tactical B61 nuclear weapons have also been deployed by America's NATO partners: five European "non-nuclear states", including Belgium, The Netherlands and Italy, which are directly participating in the Libya bombing campaign, have B61 mini-nukes stockpiled and deployed under national command in their respective military bases. (Michel Chossudovsky, Europe's Five "Undeclared Nuclear Weapons States", February 10, 2010)

These European-based mini-nukes are earmarked for targets in the Middle East. While Libya is not mentioned, according to "NATO strike plans", the European-based thermonuclear B61 bunker buster bombs could be launched "against targets in Russia or countries in the Middle East such as Syria and Iran" (quoted in National Resources Defense Council, Nuclear Weapons in Europe, February 2005). 

In the context of the ongoing war against Libya, "all options are on the table", including the preemptive nuclear option, as part of a "humanitarian mandate" to protect the lives of innocent civilians.

In 2007, a Secret 2003 STRATCOM Plan was revealed, which confirmed Washington's resolve to wage preemptive nuclear attacks against Iran, Syria and Libya. While the concepts and assumptions of this document were derived from the 2001 NPR, the Plan formulated by Strategic Command headquarters (USSTRATCOM) focused concretely on issues of implementation.

The use of  nuclear weapons including the B61-11 against Libya in the course of the current military campaign, as initially envisaged by the Department of Defense in 1997 and subsequently embodied as the 2001 Nuclear Posture Review (NPR) cannot, therefore, be ruled out.



Michel Chossudovsky is an award-winning author, Professor of Economics (Emeritus) at the University of Ottawa and Director of the Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG), Montreal. He is the author of The Globalization of Poverty and The New World Order (2003) and America’s “War on Terrorism” (2005). He is also a contributor to the Encyclopaedia Britannica. His writings have been published in more than twenty languages.




 
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Post by: Jan Robertson on April 01, 2011, 11:01:28 AM
Libya rebels pen oil deal with Qatar
By Marc Burleigh (AFP) – 2 hours ago

BENGHAZI, Libya — Libyan rebels have penned a deal with Qatar to market their crude oil abroad in exchange for food, medicine and -- it hopes -- weapons, a top official in the transitional government said on Friday.

"The Qatar government agreed, the agreement is signed, that they will market crude oil for us," Ali al-Tarhoni, a senior member of the Transitional National Council who is in charge of oil and finance, told reporters.

He said that under a "barter" deal aimed at circumventing international sanctions, Qatar would market the oil and use the proceeds to purchase humanitarian supplies for the rebels.

He also said the rebels hoped to use the oil revenues to procure weapons -- "any kind of arms we can get to."

"We have a list of arms we need and are trying to get from different fronts to buy," said Tarhoni. He declined to say from which countries the rebels hoped to obtain the weapons.

The official said the deal for Qatar to market rebel oil did not concern the major oil terminals at Ras Lanuf and surrounding villages, which the rebels have twice seized and lost in battles with Moamer Kadhafi's forces.

The oil will instead come from the Sarir oil field in the country's remote southeast, which he insisted was under the firm control of the revolutionaries.

Tarhoni said the rebels would be able to export one million barrels a week once they acquired the vessels to transport it.

"The only delay is finding the vessels... That is the only obstacle," he said.

Last Sunday, Tarhoni said the rebels, who were at the time in control of all the country's eastern oil facilities, expected to begin exporting crude "in less than a week."

"We are producing about 100,000 to 130,000 barrels a day, we can easily up that to about 300,000 a day," he told a news conference.

He said the rebel government had agreed an oil contract with Qatar, which would market the crude.

Tarhoni said the contract with Qatar would help ensure "access to liquidity in terms of foreign denominated currency."

"We contacted the oil company of Qatar and they agreed to take all the oil we export and market that oil for us," he said.

"We have an escrow account... and the money will be deposited in this account, and this way there is no middle man and we know where the money is going."

A spokesman for Qatar Petroleum, the tiny resource-rich nation's public oil company, declined to confirm the deal.

Libya's oil exports, ordinarily about 1.7 million barrels a day, have ground to a halt since the unrest began.

While the exports meet only two percent of worldwide demand, Libya produces much prized "sweet," low-sulphur crude which is easy and cheap to refine into petrol.

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Post by: Jan Robertson on April 01, 2011, 11:24:46 AM
Listen carefully


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Post by: Sue on April 01, 2011, 08:32:49 PM
War of pillage waged against Libya at the
behest of a One World Government


Wednesday, 30 March 2011 ~ Source (http://www.rebelnews.org/opinion/war/745267)

Libya's leader, Col. Muammar Muhammad al-Gaddafi, has obviously "meddled" with the primary forces of The New World Order by not accepting the nation's finances to be controlled by the IMFand World Bank. Thus, this war aims to secure "The Order of the World Bankster System" and to implement a One World Government, run by them.

While many countries in the Middle East and North Africa bicker over water rights, Libya has tapped into an aquifer of 'fossil water' - ice age water preserved in the porous holes of the Nubian Sandstone Aquifer. This project would have changed the country's topography - turning sand into soil. Now, the war mongers aim to destroy the GMR (Great Man-made River) Water Supply Project. The 26-year, $20 billion project is nearly finished. It is clear that this war is meant to atomize these high-tech-installations, built over the past 26 years. They want Libya to become once again a crawling Arab beggar before the Hebrew World Banking System. Those who control the regions water, controls the Arab world.

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"Obama believes in a One World Government. He does not believe
national sovereignty has any value. Libya has nothing to do with
the defence of America. Libya is their cover."

Congressman Dr. Ron Paul went on a media blitz to denounce illegal war of aggression against Libya. In a sweep of television appearances on March 21, 2011 he voiced his strong opposition to the attack on Libya. According to the Congressman, Barack Obama subverts the US national sovereignty by bypassing Congress to engage in illegal acts of aggression.

Appearing on Freedom Watch with Judge Andrew Napolitano, the Congressman pulled no punches when explaining why he believes Obama went to the UN for authority to drop bombs on Libya, rather than congress.

Dr. Paul said: "I think he [Obama] philosophically believes in one world government. He wants to keep nudging us in that direction. I don't believe he has a conviction that national sovereignty has any value. So therefore if they can diminish the Congress. If he diminishes the Congress and he can get his authority from the United Nations then this enhances what he believes in. But he is not alone, the leadership in both parties has been nudging in that direction for a long time. To think of all the effort that the founders went to make the Congress the most important body, that they are now the most willing to give up their prerogatives and give it to the executive branch and the judicial branch, and onward and onward. Our leaderships in the House as long as I've been there have always deferred to the executive branch."

The Congressman once again urged the American people to recognize the military incursion into Libya as a war of opportunity.

"It is unnecessary, it is wrong, it has nothing to do with national security, it has nothing to do with the defence of this country. I think there is more to do with it than just that. That may be their cover. It may be that oil is an important issue here. We didn't go to Rwanda for humanitarian reasons, so I'm not to sure that oil might not be the real clincher here."

Also Nation of Islam leader, Louis Farrakhan, blasted U.S. President Barack Obama for taking part in an international coalition against Libyan Muammar Muhammad al-Gaddafi

Minister Louis Farrakhan was interviewed by WVON-Radio (Chicago, March 20, 2011) on the Libya situation. He condemned the invasion and openly spoke about U.S. policies that involve deliberate destabilization of nations with whom they have a financial interest.

In the case of Libya, Farrakhan openly asked President Barack Obama why he and his administration are suddenly concerned with alleged atrocities in this country while the U.S. government looked the other way a few years ago, when the Israelis were engaged in relentless bombing of Palestinians, many of them women and children.

In an even more telling fashion, Farrakhan noted similarities between Gaddafi and President Obama. He mentioned that similar to Gaddafi there are millions of Americans who don't want to see Obama in power, and that intervening with internal dissent in Libya would be no different from someone doing the same here in the United States.

(http://www.rebelnews.org/images/stories/201103/0/farrakhan_libya.jpg)

Minister Farrakhan condemns the Libya invasion and openly denounces
U.S. policies that involve deliberate destabilization of nations.

Farrakhan to Obama:  "Who in the hell do you think you are that you can
talk to a man that built a country over 42 years and ask him to step down
and get out? Can anybody ask you to step out of the White House 'cause
they don't want no black face in the White House?"

Farrakhan noted that dissatisfaction with Obama and the U.S. government has reached a boiling point and that the president should be careful about intervening in another nation's internal discord. The Council for Africa International, a UK-based think tank, also takes issue with the United States' decision to circumvent the African Union in its decision to create a no-fly zone around an African country.

Farrakhan's points about selective morality of the government are also quite interesting. The United States stands idly by during countless revolts in countries around the world and usually doesn't have much to say when a government responds with violence toward its citizens, but for some reason, the case is different in Libya, and it appears to be more than coincidental that the nation just happens to be sitting on a great deal of oil.

Farrakhan also made a strong point regarding the nature by which the United States government justifies its invasions of other countries. He mentions that in order to get American support for preconceived decisions, the government engages in a concerted effort to make the other nation's leader look like (in his words) "the bogeyman." To Farrakhan's point, public perception of Gaddafi seemed to change overnight, as celebrities who were fine with performing for the Libyan leader just three months ago were suddenly expected to give the money back.

"You must remember, dear people of America, that whenever government wants you to think and act in a certain way that would bring justification to an action that they are already planning to make, they must make the person that they hate a 'bogey man'. ...

In every nation, brothers and sisters, there is dissatisfaction. And what the CIA does is go into a country and move among the people that are dissatisfied to stimulate a revolt against a leader that they don't like, because they want regime change. ...

How much money is being spent to arm the so-called rebels? They're dissatisfied, but what is their 'dissatisfaction' about? Do they have jobs? Yes. Do they have food? Yes. Has Gaddafi used the oil money to build Libya? Yes. Did Gaddafi use oil money and discover water under the Sahara Desert, and brought that water to the surface; and brought water from Benghazi all the way, to the border, almost, of Tunisia? Did he impose farming in the Desert so that they could feed their own people? Yes. Are there billions of dollars that he's spending building homes, building apartments for his people? Yes ...

So something is under this! And so when America, England, France, three Imperialist Powers, want to destabilize that country, is it that you're 'so concerned'? Listen to this Hypocrisy, American people! Is it that American government is 'so concerned' over the blood that is being shed in Libya, but you looked the other way when the Israeli Defence Force was bombing the innocent people of Gaza, unarmed men, women and children? You looked the other way when the Israeli Defence Force went into Lebanon thinking that they were going to have an 'easy' victory, then you had to come out with your tail between your legs?"

Source: Global Fire
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Post by: Sue on April 01, 2011, 09:44:39 PM
Reason for war? Gaddafi wanted to nationalize oil

(http://english.pravda.ru/images/article/8/1/2/43812.jpeg)

25.03.2011 ~ Source (http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/crimes/25-03-2011/117336-reason_for_war_oil-0/)

The Libyan leader proposed the nationalization of U.S. oil companies, as well as those of UK, Germany, Spain, Norway, Canada and Italy in 2009.

On January 25, 2009, Muammar Al Gaddafi announced that his country was studying the nationalisation of foreign companies due to lower oil prices.

"The oil-exporting countries should opt for nationalisation because of the rapid fall in oil prices. We must put the issue on the table and discuss it seriously," said Gaddafi.

"Oil should be owned by the State at this time, so we could better control prices by the increase or decrease in production," said the Libyan leader.

These statements have worried the main foreign companies operating in Libya: Anglo-Dutch Shell, British Petroleum, U.S. ExxonMobil, Hess Corp., Marathon Oil, Occidental Petroleum and ConocoPhillips, the Spanish Repsol, Germany's Wintershall, Austria's OMV , Norway's Statoil, Eni and Canada's Petro Canada.

In 2008, the Libyan state oil company, National Oil, prepared a report on the subject in which officials suggested modifying the production-sharing agreements with foreign companies in order to increase state revenues.

As a result of these contract changes, Libya gained 5.4 billion dollars in oil revenues.

On February 16, 2009, Gaddafi took a step further and called on Libyans to back his proposal to dismantle the government and to distribute the oil wealth directly to the 5 million inhabitants of the country.

However, his plan to deliver oil revenues directly to the Libyan people met opposition by senior officials who could lose their jobs due to a parallel plan by Gaddafi to rid the state of corruption.

Some officials, including Prime Minister Al-Baghdadi, Ali Al-Mahmoudi and Farhat Omar Bin Guida, of the Central Bank, told Gaddafi that the measure could harm the country's economy in the long term due to "capital flight."

"Do not be afraid to directly redistribute the oil money and create fairer governance structures that respond to people's interests," Gaddafi said in a Popular Committee.

The Popular Committees are the backbone of Libya. Through them citizens are represented at the district level.

"The Administration has failed and the state's economy has failed. Enough is enough. The solution is for the Libyan people to directly receive oil revenues and decide what to do with them," Gaddafi said in a speech broadcast on state television. To this end, the Libyan leader urged a radical reform of government bureaucracy.

Despite this, senior Libyan government officials voted to delay Gaddafi's plans. Only 64 ministers from a total of 468 Popular Committee members voted for the measure. There were 251 who saw the measures as positive, but chose to delay their implementation.

Given the rejection of the Committee, Gaddafi affirmed before a public meeting: "My dream during all these years was to give the power and wealth directly to the people."

So...another big LIE falls by the wayside, the false image of Ghaddafi the dictator who robs from his people.

So far we have had pictures of pro-Ghaddafi demonstrations being portrayed as being against him. The professional, foreign and Photoshop nature of anti-Ghaddafi posters being bandied about were noted, along with signs being held upside down by people not knowing the alphabet placed on the signs.

We have had pictures of one sided battles where heavily armed terrorists are "fighting" with nobody. We have had reports, glaringly false, that Ghaddafi was fleeing the country.

We have had more than enough reports of bombings against his own people that never happened, as well as attacks against "unarmed civilians" that proved to be incorrect. It is patently obvious that there are no "unarmed civilians" involved in these actions against Ghaddafi, but CIA and other intelligence service mercenaries, foreign elements and Al Qaeda.

It has been brought to light that the living standard in Libya is the highest in Africa and that Libya was to be commended for its human rights record.

How many lies do we have to catch them in before somebody in charge buys a clue? It's no sale!

They try to portray Ghaddafi as crazy when he speaks of fighting Al Qaeda and now they have to admit it's true.

Two documents strongly back Gaddafi on this issue, according to the findings of Alexander Cockburn.

"The first is a secret cable to the State Department from the US embassy in Tripoli in 2008, part of the WikiLeaks trove, entitled, "Extremism in Eastern Libya," which revealed that this area is rife with anti-American, pro-jihad sentiment.

The second document, or rather set of documents, are the so-called Sinjar Records, captured al-Qaeda documents that fell into American hands in 2007. They were duly analysed by the Combating Terrorism Center at the US Military Academy at West Point. Al-Qaeda is a bureaucratic outfit and the records contain precise details on personnel, including those who came to Iraq to fight American and coalition forces and, when necessary, commit suicide.

The West Point analysts' statistical study of the al-Qaeda personnel records concludes that one country provided "far more" foreign fighters in per capita terms than any other: namely, Libya."

So who is the crazy one? Obviously that gang of lunatics savagely launching attacks on Libya based on the worst collection of lies in the history of the world. If you want to know where they are headed, just look at their track record, littered with genocide, theft and destruction.

More and more evidence is surfacing that this entire operation has been planned from outside (read U.S. and EU) for quite some time. First surround (Egypt and Tunisia), then invade. Wesley Clarke revealed the laundry list which included Libya.

In the U.S., there is a particulary motley group of interventionist war mongers who don't know what they're doing: Susan Rice, Hillary Clinton and Samantha Power, obviously sexually frustrated and repressed man hating lesbians who want to prove they are he-men.

We are also seeing attacks on residential areas, many civilians being killed. There have been attacks on Ghaddafi's living area, a clear attempt at assassination. Today intelligence also reports they plan a ground invasion. The fascists of the west never change. The term "humanitarian bombing" reminds of George Orwell doublespeak.

One can only heartily agree on Gaddafi's statement: They are "a group of crazy fascists that will end in the garbage dump of history."

History will surely judge them on the same page as Adolph Hitler.
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Post by: laconas on April 01, 2011, 09:54:44 PM

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Reason for war? Gaddafi wanted to nationalize oil

The Jews better hurry up and steal Libya's oil before the truth get's out. Time doesn't seem to be on the Jew's side this time.
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Post by: thomaspain on April 02, 2011, 11:18:54 AM
"Military officials and leaders of America's nuclear weapon laboratories [had] urged the US to develop a new generation of precision low-yield nuclear weapons... which could be used in conventional conflicts with third-world nations." (Federation of American Scientists, 2001, emphasis added)

   If we want to destroy the terrorists, we can do it without polluting the Earth with radioactivity. Noting their insane frenzy when some isolated case of Koran burning takes place, we can use a more humane strategy against them. If on a predetermined day Korans were burned all over the World their heads would explode and we would be done with them.



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Post by: bpocatch on April 02, 2011, 02:13:30 PM
Reason for war? Gaddafi wanted to nationalize oil
lol pretty much the history of the Exxon Foreign Legion aka US Military.
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Post by: Spahi on April 02, 2011, 04:40:14 PM
   If we want to destroy the terrorists, we can do it without polluting the Earth with radioactivity. Noting their insane frenzy when some isolated case of Koran burning takes place, we can use a more humane strategy against them. If on a predetermined day Korans were burned all over the World their heads would explode and we would be done with them.

I thought April Fool's was yesterday...
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Post by: wag on April 02, 2011, 06:22:07 PM
The Jews better hurry up and steal Libya's oil before the truth get's out. Time doesn't seem to be on the Jew's side this time.

Jews aren't that stupid.  This is just to prop up oil so they can get out of it.  Just watch.
Title: US-NATO KILL MORE KIDS IN LIBYA
Post by: Sceptic on April 02, 2011, 06:28:09 PM
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http://thewe.name/weplanet/circus/2011/circus_march_1_2011.html  (http://thewe.name/weplanet/circus/2011/circus_march_1_2011.html)



US-NATO bombings kill civilians in Tripoli (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsws.org%2Farticles%2F2011%2Fapr2011%2Fnato-a01.shtml&ei=hKOVTbCpJ87b4AbfipzADA&usg=AFQjCNEhWQrSfOXEULhoOTe2-8JhC_WUkQ&sig2=b11kskI6q5nvKJ4aGZpNmA)

On 1 April 2011, at WSWS, Bill Van Auken reports:

1. According to the Vatican’s man in Libya, Bishop Martinelli, US-NATO air strikes are killing a growing numbers of civilians.

According to the Vatican representative,"Of particular concern, in the district of Buslim, a building collapsed because of the bombing killing 40 people...

"Yesterday I reported that the bombing had affected some hospitals...I can now confirm that one of these hospitals is in Misda."

The Euronews television channel reported on damage to the hospital and nearby homes.

Bishop Martinelli cited an incident in which an air strike affected a civilian neighborhood.

Martrinelli told the Fides news agency, "they are hitting ... targets which are in the midst of civilian neighborhoods."

2. The Associated Press interviewed the family of an 18-month-old toddler, Sirajuddin al-Sweisi, who was killed when US-NATO planes attacked the village of Khorum.

The boy’s mother said that their house was hit at about six in the morning. She found her son with a piece of hot metal embedded into the side of his face.

"His blood was streaming down my arm," she said weeping. "He was crying out, ‘Mama, Mama’, reaching out with his hand to me."

OBAMA GENOCIDE.  (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Falexandravaliente.wordpress.com%2F2011%2F03%2F31%2Fwake-up-obamas-libyan-rebels-are-genociding-black-africans%2F&ei=ieqVTf2zJYm6hAe4lYiDCQ&usg=AFQjCNHygsiTKJgjIvc9emZO0DyGHIq8-w&sig2=bSD0FBVUbCcBW4vOifU00g)

The Somalialand Press reports that black Africans in Libya are being kidnapped, raped, and murdered (http://somalilandpress.com/libya-rebels-execute-black-immigrants-while-forces-kidnap-others-20586) by U.S. backed rebels.

Onwuchekwa Jemie– a Nigerian journalist– claims the number of black Africans slaughtered to be in the thousands.  (http://www.businessdayonline.com/NG/index.php/analysis/columnists/19302-black-africans-slaughtered-in-libya-)

The Financial Times mentioned one black African  (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f4fff59c-560e-11e0-8de9-00144feab49a.html#axzz1I8Nj2Aqq) who was threatened by rebel sympathizers who told him he would be murdered once Gaddafi is overthrown and the rebels take complete control over the country

Many thanks to BRIAN for the links.

Source:aangirfan.blogspot.com/2011/04/us-nato-kill-more-kids-in-libya.html (http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2011/04/us-nato-kill-more-kids-in-libya.html)

Related: Cynthia McKinney on Libya (http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2011/03/cynthia-mckinney-on-libya.html)

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Post by: laconas on April 02, 2011, 06:31:04 PM

"NATO is investigating the reports that the coalition air force killed rebels. According to witnesses, this happened after one of Gaddafi’s soldiers mixed with the rebel group and fired at the coalition fighter jets the moment they were flying by. The planes bombed the group in response, killing some of them and destroying  four  of their vehicles."



The dimwits running this war and dimwits dropping the bombs don't have a clue who they're fighting against, and the Libyans know it.




Gaddafi rejects rebel calls for ceasefire


Published: 02 April, 2011, 11:15
Edited: 02 April, 2011, 23:32

Libyan rebels prepare before leaving Ajdabiya to the front line near the oil town of Brega, as the West backed off from arming the rag-tag fighters and pushed for a political solution instead, on April 1, 2011 (AFP Photo / Mahmud Hams)

Libya's embattled government has flatly rejected rebel calls for a ceasefire, describing their terms as “mad”. At least 13 opposition fighters are reported to have been killed late on Friday by mistake in an attack by the international coalition.

NATO is investigating the reports that the coalition air force killed rebels. According to witnesses, this happened after one of Gaddafi’s soldiers mixed with the rebel group and fired at the coalition fighter jets the moment they were flying by. The planes bombed the group in response, killing some of them and destroying  four  of their vehicles.

Opposition leaders are demanding the Gaddafi regime withdraws its troops from western cities, stops its offensive in the east and grants freedoms to citizens, while insisting Colonel Gaddafi steps down. They say that if he does not do this, they will fight on and “liberate the country”.

Analysts believe Gaddafi will not back down. His troops outnumber the rebels by 10 to 1, and after two weeks of the coalition air strikes, the rebel fighters have been pushed all the way back to the oil town of Brega, and at this stage that is where the fight is centered.

According to the latest reports, the rebels are now better organized. They are stopping inexperienced young fighters from reaching the front line, as they have shown themselves to flee in the face of chaos. Also, the rebels reportedly have new communication devices with them in the form of satellite phones and radios, which are believed to have arrived from abroad. They have enough supplies of water and the necessary equipment to continue their fight.

At the same time, the fighting seems to have reached a stalemate in the past few days, with neither side having been able to move forwards or backwards. As a result, people in Libya are now increasingly thinking that a political settlement could, possibly, become a solution, RT’s Paula Slier reported from Tripoli.

As far as the defections go, the Gaddafi government is making light of the fact that the Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa defected to the United Kingdom. They say that he is an old man who is very sick, and he asked for leave which was granted to him.

Moreover, media sources suggest that at least ten top-ranking Libyan officials may flee the country.

Mohammed Ismail, a senior aide to Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam, also visited London for secret talks, apparently on the future of Gaddafi and his family and, perhaps, an exit deal. However, Gaddafi and his representatives have been tight-lipped so far about all of that. Those officials RT managed to talk to denied the rumors.

­By approving a no-fly zone operation in Libya, the UN Security Council effectively authorized a war against the country, radio host and author Stephen Lendman told RT.

“The UN Charter does not authorize a no-fly zone. The UN Charter does not authorize war, because that is what a no-fly zone does,” he said. “What the Security Council did was basically authorize the three core belligerents – the US, UK and France – to illegally attack a non-belligerent country, so the council violated Article 51 of the UN Charter, which clearly says that no nation may attack another nation, except in self-defense. If another nation attacks the nation, the nation attacked may respond until the Security Council acts, but the Security Council may not act in violation of its own charter.”

The real issue in Libya is not Muammar Gaddafi, but rather the Western countries’ approach to treating their neighbors, argues blogger and anti-war activist Rick Rozoff.

“I really do not believe that [Gaddafi] is the issue,” Rozoff declared. “I believe the issue is that the Western powers reserved for themselves the exclusive prerogative of waging war whenever, wherever and under whichever pretext they choose to do so. If he does [step down] under the pressure of several hundreds air sorties flown against his country and several hundred Tomahawk cruise missiles fired from US and British guided-missile destroyers and nuclear submarines in the Mediterranean, it is no great victory for anyone. It simply establishes that when the US and its NATO allies supply overwhelming military force against a targeted nation and government, they can succeed.”

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craferr April 03, 2011, 03:41

2/2 continuedIt seems that (false flag ?) Lockerbie may have set up labelling Kadaffi as a terrorist, the trial involved perjury,and alleged tampering with evidence by the CIA. This and the apparently falsely alleged bombing of the CIA/French Intelligence trainees seems clearly set up to remove Kadaffi from power, possibly killing him, and forming a new puppet government which will hand over control of Lybian oil, and water to western controlled firms as in Iraq. We should get out and let the Lybians settle their own affairs, and get our hands off their resources. Foreigners setting up a destabilizing force and fomenting civil unrest are committing an illegal act, against which the Lybian government is entitled to defend itself. The use of the weapon of mass destruction depleted uranium, instead of satisfactory alternatives, will cause Lybian deaths, and birth defects for a thousand years, and medical expenses for this time. This causes harm to the Lybian people.These actions were not sanctioned by the UN. The countries involved should be identified as committing war crimes, forced to clean up the uranium, pay for damage they have caused, and repay money they have taken from Lybian accounts.

craferr April 03, 2011, 03:36

Lybia is about 5 times the size of Iraq,has enormous oil reserves and is selling oil in a wise conservative way while the west wants more oil. Kadaffi nationalized oil like Saddam did and it seems he may suffer the same fate. Kadaffi passed oil profits to the Lybian people who are mostly well off and dont want foreign intervention. Russians monitoring Lybian air space have said that there were no air attacks on civilians claimed by the western media. The western media have not identified who has instigated, armed, supplied, trained, paid and financed the fighters.Chinese "Asia Times Online" with an article by Pepe Escobar notes that anti government fighters have been trained and financed to destabilize Lybia for some time by French Intelligence, and the CIA. Neither Obama nor Sarkozi told the truth about this. Angela Merkel chose not to lie to her people.

Nicholas April 02, 2011, 18:34

Bloodless revolutions? From points of historiography generated by the English Civil War or the Communist Revolution perhaps? Now that all the slain are slaughtered, the lands stolen, the creatures driven to extinction all the wealth of thought is immediately transferable by the click of button? What a small price the world has had to pay to receive such modern magnanimity ? Thank Goodness the first foot has hit the shore and the deck in such gallant throngs, that you Roberta report all signification of exertion and the production of capacity to orate within all the basis of intelligence secured by your mighty hand, Roberta. Well no prizes for guessing who has borne the weight of this great putsch against the actual expirative finitude of human capacity, and who should reap the rewards eh? Thank goodness you descended from your non resurrecting Heaven Roberta and saved us all...Who needs to put up with evil Jews getting resurrected to our constant and irrefutable stay on topic of the fact of blood sacrifice as political nativity when we have 'modern technology' to save us from the blood sacrifice itself!!! Hallelujah for the aboriginal non-contemplation of resurrection generating behaviour and thanks for all the comparison of how many schoolbooks could have been purchased, cheers eh? Lovely to get radiated by those who disdain our inherent worth after all that moral turpor and non receipt of instruction to the resolution of historiography through resurrection generating behaviour.  All we really need to do is pat the eyeless child on the head and tell him that he can see in a different way from now on, stroke the crotch of the armless veteran and tell him he was mistaken...

http://rt.com/news/gaddafi-rebel-calls-ceasefire/
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Post by: Sue on April 02, 2011, 06:44:44 PM
Laconas...

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“I really do not believe that [Gaddafi] is the issue,” Rozoff declared. “I believe the issue is that the Western powers reserved for themselves the exclusive prerogative of waging war whenever, wherever and under whichever pretext they choose to do so.

Bingo... Rozoff is absolutely correct.

Have you watched O'Bummer? (http://www.freedomportal.net/index.php?topic=20629.msg187460#msg187460)

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Post by: Sue on April 02, 2011, 07:20:42 PM
lol pretty much the history of the Exxon Foreign Legion aka US Military.

Yep.

I said right from the beginning that the Middle East will be burning, we are almost there. It certainly looks like Gaddafi's days are numbered.

The conference followed President Barack Obama's (http://www.freedomportal.net/index.php?topic=20629.msg187460#msg187460) televised speech Monday night, in which he not only justified the aggression in Libya, but argued that the president had a right to launch military attacks and wars anywhere in the world to defend American "values" and "interests" and maintain "the flow of commerce." This is an open-ended brief for imperialist war that even goes beyond the scope of the Bush administration's doctrine of preventive war.
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Post by: Sue on April 02, 2011, 07:30:30 PM
He refers to jews as "the Western powers."

The real issue in Libya is not Muammar Gaddafi, but rather the Western countries’ approach to treating their neighbors, argues blogger and anti-war activist Rick Rozoff.

Who controls the Western Powers? The Judeo-Masonic Enterprise...
Title: Re: US-NATO KILL MORE KIDS IN LIBYA
Post by: Sue on April 02, 2011, 08:46:43 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4ayQoORNE64/TZWoatJVcvI/AAAAAAAARws/Un0GVhZR3NI/s1600/baby-injured-by-nato.jpg)

Here, and elsewhere at the juju-run abortion clinics, they already kill babies before they are born.
Title: Re: US-NATO KILL MORE KIDS IN LIBYA
Post by: FLAT_HEADED_RUSSIAN on April 03, 2011, 02:42:35 PM
In all fairness, it is Europe that consumes cheap Libyan oil and always has. (US does not buy Libyan oil)
this is about the oil
this is about European greed
don't purchase what you can plunder
Title: Re: US-NATO KILL MORE KIDS IN LIBYA
Post by: laconas on April 03, 2011, 03:39:42 PM

That sounds about right to me.


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Monday, March 28, 2011
CYNTHIA McKINNEY ON LIBYA

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http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/ drew our attention to "Cynthia McKinney on Obama and Libya"

According to Cynthia McKinney on 27 March 2011:

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6. What about Libya?

Libya has oil.

Sarkozy's actions in Libya aid Israel.

Le Figaro newspaper identified Sarkozy as a Mossad asset.

"As long as Muslims are fighting each other they won't have time to focus on Israel or Palestine."

AFRICOM, the United States military's Africa Command, was created to give the US control of Africa.

Libya's Revolution brought free health care and education to the people and subsidized housing.

Libyans have a form of direct democracy. The US is going in for counter-Revolution.

7. What about Lockerbie?

A Member of the UK Parliament has said that the evidence in the Lockerbie Bomb case was planted by the CIA.

The Member of Parliament did his own investigation and discovered to his satisfaction that "the [timing] device was a C.I.A. plant."

8. What about Gaddafi?

Gaddafi's daughter was murdered by US bombs.

Victor Ostrovsky, a Mossad defector, revealed that the bombing took place as a result of faked intelligence and that Gaddafi was set up by Israel in Operation Trojan.

According to Ostrovsky, a "radio transmitter smuggled into Tripoli by the Mossad, broadcast messages designed to fool the United States into thinking Libya was about to launch a massive terror attack on the West."

Gaddafi provided the African National Congress and Nelson Mandela the means to defeat apartheid in South Africa.

9. The Libyan Rebels

The National Front for the Salvation of Libya held its most recent meeting in the United States in July 2007.
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Title: Re: US-NATO KILL MORE KIDS IN LIBYA
Post by: laconas on April 03, 2011, 03:57:50 PM
In all fairness, it is Europe that consumes cheap Libyan oil and always has. (US does not buy Libyan oil)
this is about the oil
this is about European greed
don't purchase what you can plunder

Now they have to get the Germans to supply troops and money; the Germans don't seem too keen on liberating Libya of it's oil. Maybe another bombing of a Berlin disco might change their minds and get their minds off buying oil and gas from from the dictator Putin.

Poland has already been liberated and won't allow any gas and oil pipelines from Russia to Germany forcing the Russians to come-up great engineering dreams like Southstream and Northstream. If only Russia didn't fall under Putism and had allowed a free an open society ala Sorosism things would have been different; free and democratic people would be rushing into Poland to install more pipelines than ZsaZsa Gabor's bathroom.

The situation in Libya is making Germany, Turkey, Austria, and Hungary form a natural alliance. And in a funny kinda way WWI was about the resources of Africa.
Title: Re: US-NATO KILL MORE KIDS IN LIBYA
Post by: jacob gold on April 03, 2011, 04:19:27 PM
Libya has oil, and my people will get it. Stop your whining. Wait until 'Moose-Limbs' nuke Des Moines.
Title: Re: US-NATO KILL MORE KIDS IN LIBYA
Post by: laconas on April 03, 2011, 04:24:56 PM
Libya has oil, and my people will get it. Stop your whining. Wait until 'Moose-Limbs' nuke Des Moines.

What we need is more Jewish gas station owners. There must be an anti-Semite conspiracy against Jews owning gas stations cause in my whole life I've never said: fill it up Abe.
Title: Re: US-NATO KILL MORE KIDS IN LIBYA
Post by: jacob gold on April 03, 2011, 06:42:07 PM
My people own the stations and we let dot-heads sit behind the counters. We use to use negoes, but they were undependable, always looking for more money.

Hindus know we can have them deported if they get grabby
Title: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: Sue on April 03, 2011, 08:40:49 PM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EESTh0RMjXg/TZjkh9v0GcI/AAAAAAAAH_Y/l4Y_HWhdvsY/s320/dees+libya.jpg)

Robert Gates: (http://www.activistpost.com/2011/04/libya-more-vital-to-europe-than-us.html)  Libya is "not a vital interest (to the United States) in the
sense that it affects the vital security of the nation," and.. "It is more in
the vital interest of Europeans when you consider the effects of massive
immigration, the effects of terror, the oil market."

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The Libya endgame is more "vital" to Europe than the United States, a former White House adviser said Sunday, and urged Arab and African allies to step up as Washington slims its role in the conflict.

Retired general James Jones, who until last October served as President Barack Obama's national security adviser, acknowledged on Sunday talk shows that strongman Moamer Kadhafi's ouster was the ultimate goal in the military campaign, but said there was little clarity on how that will be accomplished.

With the UN-approved military strikes against Kadhafi's forces in their third week, the Pentagon has stepped back from a leadership role in the air campaign, stressing it does not want to engage in yet another major war.

Libya is "not a vital interest (to the United States) in the sense that it affects the vital security of the nation," he told ABC News program "This Week."

"It is more in the vital interest of Europeans... when you consider the effects of massive immigration, the effects of terror, the oil market."

European countries, led by Italy, France and Germany, are the top consumers of Libyan crude, and total Libyan output amounts to less than two percent of world production.

A US-led coalition launched the first air strikes against Libya, but NATO began to take command of the air bombing operations last Wednesday.

"What we're doing here is making sure that our allies also take on their share of responsibilities, which they are," Jones told CNN's "State of the Union" program.

He said the United States was still flying "about 50 percent of the missions," but mostly in support roles such as search and rescue and refueling.

The Arab world and Africa, players who "have much more influence on Kadhafi than we do," must now step up, said Jones, who praised the involvement of nations such as Qatar, the first Arab state to fly sorties over Libya to enforce a no-fly zone.

Some Arab nations have been targeted for criticism for standing on the sidelines in the Libya crisis.

"The participation of the Arab League in this mission I think is hugely important, and the African Union has to step up also. This is their neighborhood, and they need to play a major role in how this is going to work out," Jones said.

While Washington has insisted its involvement in Libya, where Kadhafi forces were threatening a bloodbath in rebel-held eastern cities, was meant to avert a humanitarian disaster, Jones said the true goal was the ouster of Kadhafi.

Exactly how that is accomplished has been a point of debate, and Jones appeared to reflect the growing frustration over the best way to achieve such a goal.

"We know that the ultimate -- the end state -- is to have regime change in Libya. And how you get there from where we are now... without the partitioning of Libya, without Kadhafi staying in power for a long period of time, that is the problem," he told CNN.

"But unfortunately, most people want perfect clarity in a situation where clarity doesn't exist."
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Post by: Sue on April 03, 2011, 08:53:54 PM
‘War for Libyan oil planned long ago, no one cares about people’



Susan Lindauer, a journalist and author specializing on American interventions, has never believed the allied forces intervened in Libya out of humanitarian reasons. It is a war for oil which was prepared long ago, Lindauer argues - anyone who cared about the Libyan people would stop immediately.
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Post by: laconas on April 03, 2011, 08:59:07 PM

Quote
"What we're doing here is making sure that our allies also take on their share of responsibilities, which they are," Jones told CNN's "State of the Union" program.

He said the United States was still flying "about 50 percent of the missions," but mostly in support roles such as search and rescue and refueling.


I had friend who was charged with bank robbery and I know for a fact he didn't rob any bank. All he did was scope-out the bank for a few weeks, supply the car and gas, and gave a ride to the guys who robbed the bank when they stepped out of the bank.
Title: - - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
Post by: Sue on April 03, 2011, 09:00:35 PM
The Jews better hurry up and steal Libya's oil before the truth get's out. Time doesn't seem to be on the Jew's side this time.

Interesting Video: http://www.freedomportal.net/index.php?topic=20663.msg188023#msg188023
Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: laconas on April 03, 2011, 09:17:52 PM

Susan Lindauer seems to be on target.
Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: Sue on April 03, 2011, 11:08:19 PM
Susan Lindauer seems to be on target.

Whoever she is, she knew what she was talking about.
Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: Jan Robertson on April 04, 2011, 12:08:42 AM

Susan Lindauer is not only right about the Libyan WAR, but it should also be remembered that if "The Libya endgame is more "vital" to Europe than the United States", then it is also important for the united states to gain the upper hand over Libya because of the globalisation agenda.

The US and Europe (especially Britain) may be on the same page in the NWO agenda but they are also vying for the top position in the elite hierachy ... ie they are all 'elite' FACTIONS fighting for the top position.

That is why the UN keeps making the same mistake (it's no mistake) of supporting the WRONG sides ... Because they are the combined FACTIONS none of them want to (or can afford to) destroy the "Superus Eligere" (Super elite) but they are fighting for the next best job ... CEO.

Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: jacob gold on April 04, 2011, 04:46:44 AM
She is the daughter of John Howard Lindauer II, the newspaper publisher and former Republican nominee for Governor of Alaska.[3][4] Susan's mother was Jackie Lindauer (1932-1992) who died of cancer in 1992. In 1995 her father married Dorothy Oremus, a Chicago attorney who along with other members of her family owned the largest cement company in the Midwest.[4]

Lindauer is also a second cousin of former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Lindauer
Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: wag on April 04, 2011, 05:32:00 AM
Lindauer is also a second cousin of former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card.[5]


http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0806/S00263.htm (http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0806/S00263.htm) 

They must believe she's harmless because she's still around.
Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: jacob gold on April 04, 2011, 07:23:26 AM


http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0806/S00263.htm (http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0806/S00263.htm) 

They must believe she's harmless because she's still around.

I always find these Jewish rebels fascinating. Much like Alex Linder (VNN nazi), or Finkelstein.
Title: - - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
Post by: Rudi Jan on April 04, 2011, 08:17:04 AM
Fight for Libya's oil-rich Brega continues

Mon Apr 4, 2011 9:59AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/173026.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/173026.html)

(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110404/shafabakhsh20110404093916123.jpg)
Fighters reached 8 km from Brega on Monday without encountering opposition.

Libyan revolutionary forces have advanced towards the key oil town of Brega without any resistance from forces loyal to Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi.

Government forces fled before the revolutionaries reached within a distance of eight kilometers from Brega, AFP reported on Monday.

On Sunday, regime forces ambushed revolutionaries in the same area forcing them to retreat.

The oil town of Brega, which has changed hands for a seventh time in six weeks so far, came under heavy assault by pro-regime forces over the past few days, as they also struggled to penetrate deep into the city of Ajdabiya--- a key oil town just 160 kilometers (100 miles) from the opposition stronghold of Benghazi.

Meanwhile, the US says it has agreed to a NATO request to conduct airstrikes on Libya through Monday.

The Pentagon says the raids are part of efforts to protect civilians from the regime forces. It also says NATO will take the lead after Monday.

The US military planned to begin withdrawing its combat jets and Tomahawk missiles from the air campaign against Libya this weekend.
Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: Sue on April 04, 2011, 09:31:29 AM

I had friend who was charged with bank robbery and I know for a fact he didn't rob any bank. All he did was scope-out the bank for a few weeks, supply the car and gas, and gave a ride to the guys who robbed the bank when they stepped out of the bank.

Yes, that is so typical....

Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: Sue on April 04, 2011, 09:50:25 AM
I always find these Jewish rebels fascinating. Much like Alex Linder (VNN nazi), or Finkelstein.

(http://img.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0806/7dd39bae2ebd46ec08ee.jpeg)

Lindauer asserts that she had been a U.S. intelligence asset since working on the Lockerbie case and subsequent antiterrorism efforts.
Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: Sue on April 04, 2011, 10:18:16 AM
No matter what really happens, "The Crown" (a private corporation led by the Illuminati) and the House of Rothschild is calling all the shots!

The "Crown" not only governs our money, they control our politics and wars. This is why the United States is in Afghanistan. Our young men are fighting for the Crown's control over the Opium industry. In fact, almost 90% of the world's heroin originates in the Afghanistan's poppy fields. The "Crown" manages these assets through its control over the World's Intelligence Agencies (CIA, MI6, etc). So, in essence, American men are dying to enslave other Americans to the most dangerous drug habit known to man.

Remember: Saddam's real crime was nationalizing the oil fields and depriving the "Crown" of its pound of flesh. The Iraqi National Bank, another "Crown" business venture, was founded 1 year after the U.S. started dropping bombs.

Gaddafi was trying to do the same. That's a no-no! The rest, as usual, is just theater. 
Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: OldTimes on April 04, 2011, 10:29:14 AM
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0806/S00263.htm (http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0806/S00263.htm) 

They must believe she's harmless because she's still around.

In the first paragraph about her on wikipedia, it states "Lindauer was found mentally unfit to stand trial",  as if that's the most pertinent thing we need to know about her.  She seems pretty mentally fit to me.
Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: jacob gold on April 04, 2011, 10:29:57 AM
(http://img.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0806/7dd39bae2ebd46ec08ee.jpeg)

Lindauer asserts that she had been a U.S. intelligence asset since working on the Lockerbie case and subsequent antiterrorism efforts.

It has been pretty well confirmed that Israel attacked the USS Liberty and was behind the Lockerbie Bombing  ... I assume Lindauer holds this view?

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/forums/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=17744
Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: OldTimes on April 04, 2011, 10:45:49 AM
It has been pretty well confirmed that Israel attacked the USS Liberty and was behind the Lockerbie Bombing  ... I assume Lindauer holds this view?

Yes, it appears she does.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=de&source=hp&q=Susan+Lindauer+%22U.S.S.+Liberty%22+Lockerbie&btnG=Google-Suche (http://www.google.com/search?hl=de&source=hp&q=Susan+Lindauer+%22U.S.S.+Liberty%22+Lockerbie&btnG=Google-Suche)

Also, http://www.federaljack.com/?p=19485 (http://www.federaljack.com/?p=19485)

Kevin Barrett speaks with Susan Lindauer, ex-CIA asset and imprisoned 9/11 whistleblower

(http://edwardrynearson.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/susan1.jpg?w=385&h=397)

January 27, 2011
As a U.S. Intelligence Asset, Susan Lindauer covered anti-terrorism at the Iraqi Embassy in New York from 1996 up to the invasion. Independent sources have confirmed that she gave advance warning about the 9/11 attack. She also started talks for the Lockerbie Trial with Libyan diplomats. Shortly after requesting to testify before Congress about successful elements of Pre-War Intelligence, Lindauer became one of the first non-Arab Americans arrested on the Patriot Act as an “Iraqi Agent.” She was accused of warning her second cousin, White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card and Secretary of State Colin Powell that war with Iraq would have catastrophic consequences. Gratis of the Patriot Act, her indictment was loaded with “secret charges” and “secret evidence.” She was subjected to one year in prison on Carswell Air Force Base in Fort Worth, Texas without a trial or hearing, and threatened with indefinite detention and forcible drugging to shut her up. After five years of indictment without a conviction or guilty plea, the Justice Department dismissed all charges five days before President Obama’s inauguration.

Seems RT picks better Western analysts than PressTV.
Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: jacob gold on April 04, 2011, 11:07:12 AM
(http://edwardrynearson.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/susan1.jpg?w=385&h=397)


She also explains how the Lockerbie bombing was tied to the CIA's involvement in heroin trafficking out of the Bekaa Valley in Lebanon during U.S. operations to rescue Terry Anderson and other hostages in Beirut.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1103/S00072/lockerbie-diary-gadhaffi-fall-guy-for-cia-drug-running.htm

I guess it was the CIA that blew up the Lockerbie jet. Of course i suspect the CIA is behind the Baghdad market bombs, 9/11, the Madrid Train Bomb, and countless others.

Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: OldTimes on April 04, 2011, 11:33:16 AM
I guess it was the CIA that blew up the Lockerbie jet. Of course i suspect the CIA is behind the Baghdad market bombs, 9/11, the Madrid Train Bomb, and countless others.

Yeah, it's looking like you are right.  I posted too soon...
Blames CIA but not Mossad or Israel directly.

Also, why would her book be published and selling on Amazon.com if otherwise?
Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: Zampan0 on April 04, 2011, 11:37:32 AM
No matter what really happens, "The Crown" (a private corporation led by the Illuminati) and the House of Rothschild is calling all the shots!

The "Crown" not only governs our money, they control our politics and wars. This is why the United States is in Afghanistan. Our young men are fighting for the Crown's control over the Opium industry. In fact, almost 90% of the world's heroin originates in the Afghanistan's poppy fields. The "Crown" manages these assets through its control over the World's Intelligence Agencies (CIA, MI6, etc). So, in essence, American men are dying to enslave other Americans to the most dangerous drug habit known to man.

uhh.. Sushi, "The Crown" governs Canuckastan not the U.S. We that live in the U.S. are ruled by, The Chosen.  I'm hoping the restaurants you frequent aren't using yellow snow in their ice cubes. Then again, that's probably a good enough excuse for your Sovereign to forgive you.

Please stand up while (if) you view this vid.
http://www.youtube.com/v/xjr-p9Fpktw?version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="390"></object>
Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: jacob gold on April 04, 2011, 12:04:31 PM
Yeah, it's looking like you are right.  I posted too soon...
Blames CIA but not Mossad or Israel directly.

Also, why would her book be published and selling on Amazon.com if otherwise?


I just thought it was odd that the CIA would blow up an American airplane.

Pan Am Flight 103 was Pan American World Airways' third daily scheduled transatlantic flight from London Heathrow Airport to New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport. On Wednesday 21 December 1988, the aircraft flying this rou


Also the article says that Lindhauer was a cousin to Andrew Card (Jewish), but she claims she is pro Arab. All this reminds me of Frank Collin (nee Cohen) who ran the american nazi party
Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: jacob gold on April 04, 2011, 12:11:11 PM
Hey Zampano

Where was your 'Precious Queen' when Jewilians assassinated Princess Diana? What about 'Bonnie Prince Charles' romancing that cheap tramp Camilla Parker Bowels?

Princess Di was real royalty, who was about to marry a Muslim (movie producer)
Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: Vidarr on April 04, 2011, 02:16:36 PM
Mohammed al Fayed made his first fortune working for Asnad Kashoggi , an arms dealer and some say confirmed  mossad  agent. His sister Samira Kashoggi was Dodi fayeds mother.

Kashoggi owns the Genesis communications network that is hosting Alex Jones..  which is affiliated with ABC and thus Disney..



Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: Sue on April 04, 2011, 02:51:32 PM
uhh.. Sushi, "The Crown" governs Canuckastan not the U.S. We that live in the U.S. are ruled by, The Chosen.  I'm hoping the restaurants you frequent aren't using yellow snow in their ice cubes. Then again, that's probably a good enough excuse for your Sovereign to forgive you.

The 'real' crown belongs to the Rothschilds, they control the money, thus the nations. There are only 5 countries left that need some dead serious 'talking to' : Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Cuba and we are 'working' hard on Libya now. The rest of these ducks will all be lined up nicely too.

The Queen symbolically ''governs'' Canada and whatever else is left of the Commonwealth.
Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: Zampan0 on April 04, 2011, 02:54:18 PM
Hey Zampano

Where was your 'Precious Queen' when Jewilians assassinated Princess Diana? What about 'Bonnie Prince Charles' romancing that cheap tramp Camilla Parker Bowels?

Princess Di was real royalty, who was about to marry a Muslim (movie producer)

I have your tribe figured out Mr. Gold.  Jealousy, you and your tribe are jealous of the Aryan race.  While I am not English, I am of total superior Aryan blood and do respect The Queen of England  -it's a Anglo/Saxon thing- while your mongrel tribe has no one other than an ancient war criminal  (Moses) to look up to.  Yes I do understand your hatred and jealousy for white folks Mr. Gold. Princess Diana fell victem to your tribes filthy propaganda and then you insult her mother for not putting up with it.  You are far beyond The Pale in which you and all of your tribe belong, Mr. Gold.

Watch this vid. Mr. Gold, and understand that there are and always will be people of character in this world that are vastly superior to you and yours.  Let this vid. gnaw at you very deeply Mr. Gold and know that you can never win.

http://www.youtube.com/v/BP1k0qntZvo?version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="390"></object>

As to your petty comment "cheap tramp Camilla Parker Bowels", look here for something else to gnaw away at your stomach.  You are truly a very jealous devil Mr. Gold.  Still, I will say, you do have good reason to be so.

http://www.youtube.com/v/jyablVBmKBI?version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="390"></object>

Titles and styles
Royal styles of
The Duchess of Cornwall




Reference style Her Royal Highness
Spoken style Your Royal Highness
Alternative style Ma'am
17 July 1947 4 July 1973: Miss Camilla Rosemary Shand
4 July 1973 3 March 1995: Mrs Andrew Parker Bowles
3 March 1995 9 April 2005: Mrs Camilla Parker Bowles
9 April 2005 : Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Cornwall
9 April 2005 (for Scotland): Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Rothesay
Camilla's style and title in full: Her Royal Highness The Princess Charles Philip Arthur George, Princess of Wales and Countess of Chester, Duchess of Cornwall, Duchess of Rothesay, Countess of Carrick, Baroness of Renfrew, Lady of the Isles, Princess of Scotland
Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: Zampan0 on April 04, 2011, 03:07:05 PM
The 'real' crown belongs to the Rothschilds, they control the money, thus the nations. There are only 5 countries left that need some dead serious 'talking to' : Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Cuba and we are 'working' hard on Libya now. The rest of these ducks will all be lined up nicely too.

The Queen symbolically ''governs'' Canada and whatever else is left of the Commonwealth.

The Real Crown was worn by Christ and will save us in the end from the devil's you speak of.  Money means nothing, in symbolism lies our strength.
Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: Sue on April 04, 2011, 03:30:18 PM
The Real Crown was worn by Christ and will save us in the end from the devil's you speak of.  Money means nothing, in symbolism lies our strength.

Keep praying!
Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: thomaspain on April 04, 2011, 03:44:13 PM
Keep praying!

   You are correct in encouraging others to attack on all fronts.

Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: thomaspain on April 04, 2011, 03:50:39 PM
The participation of the Arab League in this mission I think is hugely important, and the African Union has to step up also. This is their neighborhood, and they need to play a major role in how this is going to work out," Jones said.

   He may be retired, but he is still a recruiter for the Isreali Foreign Legion.


Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: jacob gold on April 04, 2011, 03:55:06 PM
Mohammed al Fayed made his first fortune working for Asnad Kashoggi , an arms dealer and some say confirmed  mossad  agent. His sister Samira Kashoggi was Dodi fayeds mother.

Kashoggi owns the Genesis communications network that is hosting Alex Jones..  which is affiliated with ABC and thus Disney..

Don't defame Princess Di .....  Alex Jones is a fat-ass Zhid schophant
Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: jacob gold on April 04, 2011, 04:08:32 PM
The judensau  - The mythical Jewess matriarch

(http://judicial.hostzi.com/Staue_4.jpg)



Germans like Zampano's relatives always thought they were superior.  The sow in this picture is called the Juden Sow, its suppose to represent the typical Jewess.

Zampano had his Eva Brauns, and my relatives have their Rosanne Barrs.
Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: thomaspain on April 04, 2011, 04:22:40 PM
The 'real' crown belongs to the Rothschilds, they control the money, thus the nations. There are only 5 countries left that need some dead serious 'talking to' : Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Cuba and we are 'working' hard on Libya now. The rest of these ducks will all be lined up nicely too.

The Queen symbolically ''governs'' Canada and whatever else is left of the Commonwealth.

THE HIT PARADE
Libya
Iran
North Korea
Sudan
Cuba

Israeli Foreign Legion
Forward Ho!


Title: Re: * Libya more 'vital' to Europe than US: Obama ex-advisor
Post by: thomaspain on April 04, 2011, 04:26:24 PM
The judensau  - The mythical Jewess matriarch

(http://judicial.hostzi.com/Staue_4.jpg)


   The character at the front is engaging in Sheeny Birth Control.
Title: - - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
Post by: Zampan0 on April 06, 2011, 04:45:16 AM

You've made the claim in the past that your posts have been deleted.

You are thinking of someone else, I never said that.  I don't much care if you do move or delete them, -as my posts are such pearls of wisdom-  I am sure the most sophisticated among us download them  immediately.  ;)
Title: - - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
Post by: Rudi Jan on April 06, 2011, 04:34:09 PM
Fighting rages near key Libyan towns

Wed Apr 6, 2011 6:30PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/173448.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/173448.html)

(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110406/khan20110406164229780.jpg)
Libyan opposition fighters gather in the desert some 40 kilometers outside Brega on April 6, 2011.

Heavy fighting and clashes have been reported between revolutionaries and forces loyal to embattled ruler Muammar Gaddafi near strategically-important Libyan towns.

Pro-Gaddafi forces are locked in fighting with opposition fighters near Brega.

Revolutionaries say they were attacked outside the oil town of Brega and had to move eastwards toward Ajdabiya.

Several cities are still in the hands of opposition forces, as revolutionaries are still struggling to push their way towards the capital Tripoli.

However, rocket and artillery fire unleashed by Gaddafi forces indicate that the government's offensive capabilities remain very much intact.

Anger has been mounting over what opposition forces have described as NATO's inability to prevent regime forces from killing civilians.

The head of the opposition's armed forces says NATO's inaction has allowed government troops to advance and kill people in Misratah and other cities.

"[NATO] is letting the people of Misratah die every day," Gen Abdul Fattah Younis told reporters in Benghazi, the opposition's stronghold.

"If NATO should wait another week, there will be no more Misratah," Younis added.

Younis noted that revolutionary forces would ask the UN Security Council to suspend the NATO mission in Libya if it fails to do its job properly.

He also slammed Western-led forces over the civilian death toll caused by NATO's bombing campaign in the country.

Many civilians have reportedly been killed since the Western-led war on Libya began last month.

NATO has dismissed the criticism, saying its airstrikes against Gaddafi forces have increased every day. NATO assumed command of the aerial onslaught on Libya a week ago.

Dozens of civilians have been killed in Libya since US-led forces launched aerial and sea attacks on the North African country.

Libyan troops have also killed thousands of civilians since the revolution against Colonel Gaddafi began in mid-February.

Critics, however, accuse the West of hypocrisy over the offensive on Libya, along with their silence towards the brutal crackdowns on similar anti-regime movements elsewhere in the Arab world, such as in Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and Yemen.

LW - It seems that everything is working out according to the plan. Nato (US) have certainly pinned down Gaddafi's forces.  ::)
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 06, 2011, 04:41:24 PM
Gaddafi sends letter to Obama

Wed Apr 6, 2011 10:43PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/173472.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/173472.html)

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Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi

Embattled Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi has sent a letter to US President Barack Obama, asking him to end the “unjust war” against the North African country.

"To serving world peace ... friendship between our peoples ... and for the sake of economic and security cooperation against terror, you are in a position to keep NATO off the Libyan affairs for good," the Associated Press quoted the letter as saying on Wednesday.

Gaddafi also called on Obama to stop his “mistaken action,” stating that "Libya should be left to Libyans within the African Union frame."

The Libyan dictator said the military action by NATO has hurt the Libyans “morally.” However, he wished success for Obama in the next presidential elections.

White House press secretary, Jay Carney, confirmed they received the letter and said a ceasefire in Libya would take place when Gaddafi stopped killing his people.

NATO has come under severe criticism from Libyan revolutionary forces for not doing enough to stop the killing of people in Misratah and other cities at the hands of Gaddafi loyalists.

Abdel Fattah Younes, the defecting interior minister and the head of Libyan opposition forces, has slammed NATO measures as too slow, saying the military alliance itself “has become a problem.”

He also rebuked NATO for killing civilians in the its airstrikes.

On Wednesday, heavy fighting and clashes were reported between revolutionaries and forces loyal to Gaddafi near strategic town of Brega.

Libyan troops have also killed thousands of civilians since the revolution against Gaddafi began in mid-February.

LW - Gosh, he's so embattled he has time to write letters to his purported enemy and wish him luck in the election to boot. With friends like that who needs enemies. Nod, nod, wink, wink. This has to go down into the history books as PR stunt of the year. And it's only April.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 06, 2011, 04:46:52 PM
'Russia will stay out of Libya war'

Thu Apr 7, 2011 12:31AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/173479.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/173479.html)

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Russian President Dmitry Medvedev

Russia says it will not entangle itself in the NATO-led war in Libya, but will comply with a UN resolution calling for a no-fly zone over the North African country.

Speaking at a meeting with senior Russian military officials in Moscow, President Dmitry Medvedev reaffirmed his country's non-interference stance regarding the ongoing conflicts sweeping across the Middle Eastern and North African countries, a Press TV correspondent reported on Wednesday.

"Russia will not take part in the military operations that are currently taking place in this troubled region. This will be the main position in our foreign policy and internal decisions," Medvedev stated.

The Russian president, however, underlined that Moscow will proceed from this standpoint towards implementing the UN Security Council (UNSC) Resolution 1973, which imposed a no-fly zone over Libya .

The Security Council resolution adopted on March 17 also allows for "all necessary measures" to protect civilians from attacks by Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi's forces on opposition-controlled towns.

Medvedev made the remarks as hundreds of Tomahawk and Storm Shadow missiles fired from submarines in the Mediterranean and an array of fighter jets mounting military strikes over several Libyan cities do no seem to come to an end anytime soon.

This has raised grave concerns about the rising number of civilian casualties as the result of the NATO-led aerial strikes.

"We assume that a number of ongoing conflicts should be settled peacefully, without the participation of troops, and on a basis of international mediation," the Russian president emphasized.

Meanwhile, some analysts argue the revolution in Libya was an internal issue between Gaddafi and the opposition, and should not be spread out into an international conflict.

"As for the Europeans and the United States, they must not interfere themselves. To help the Arab and Muslim countries it is possible. But they must respond to the ideas that are adopted by the Muslim and Arab countries," Viktor Nadelin-Rayevsky with the Institute of World Economy and International Relations told Press TV.

Many civilians have reportedly been killed since the Western-led war on Libya began last month.

NATO, which assumed command of the aerial onslaught on Libya a week ago, has dismissed the criticism, saying its airstrikes against Gaddafi forces have increased on a daily basis.

There are many speculations about the real motive behind the war in Libya, with many analysts saying that under the guise of protecting civilians, Washington and its Western allies are actually seeking control of the North African country's vast oil reserves.

LW - The Russians are no fools. Let the Americans bleed and die and spend the big bucks to kill civilians. All to the good for them. Smal wonder they abstained. They saw the trap and let Hillary and Obama jump right in.
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Post by: thomaspain on April 06, 2011, 04:53:42 PM
Libyan troops have also killed thousands of civilians since the revolution against Gaddafi began in mid-February.

   The killing of civilians is terrible. Are the revolutionaries uniformed? What uniform do they wear? Do they dress as civilians to bloat the count of "civilians killed"? Will they try to get the count up to 6 million as is their custom? I really should stay current on the news. There are so many things I am kept confused about and have to question. S.O.S.

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Post by: laconas on April 06, 2011, 08:52:26 PM
   The killing of civilians is terrible. Are the revolutionaries uniformed? What uniform do they wear? Do they dress as civilians to bloat the count of "civilians killed"? Will they try to get the count up to 6 million as is their custom? I really should stay current on the news. There are so many things I am kept confused about and have to question. S.O.S.

It's really pretty simple. Anybody killed accidentally or on purpose by the Libyan Govt. counts as a dead civilian, and any civilian killed by the jew led allies is not the fault of the allies cause Qaddafi is using these civilians as shields, therefore, Qaddafi is also responsible for these dead civilians.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 07, 2011, 06:17:35 PM
... jew led allies ...

Still at it.  ::)
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Post by: laconas on April 07, 2011, 06:51:16 PM
Still at it.  ::)

Still at what? It's common knowledge the Jews are leading the war against Libya, really, it's no secret.
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Post by: wag on April 07, 2011, 07:21:31 PM
Still at what? It's common knowledge the Jews are leading the war against Libya, really, it's no secret.

Common knowledge and public knowledge are two different things.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 08, 2011, 12:20:11 AM
Still at what? It's common knowledge the Jews are leading the war against Libya, really, it's no secret.

That makes so much sense. Common knowledge is about the least reliable source of truth I can think of. If so why pray tell are the NATO forces bombing the crap out of civilians and the opposition while Gaddafi is recouping his losses with impunity? Ah, never mind. Getting a straight answer out of you is as futile as trying to catch a greased pig. Think I got the analogy right that time?
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Post by: dean_saor on April 08, 2011, 12:31:17 AM
It's funny, really, reading the posts. This sort of badinage can only go on between friends: and I suppose we've known each other, most of us, in a way, for some years - since the days of Liberty Forum.

Tiresome though he may increasingly be, Mike Rivero has an interesting angle on Libya. He reckons that in the confusion at the beginning the USA and NATO failed to understand the instructions coming out of Tel Aviv and so ended up supporting the wrong side (the "rebels") when Shittylittlestan was backing Qadhdhafi. What we have now is an ungainly attempt to swap horses in mid race so as to back the Right Side. Hence the statements coming out of the Pentagram and Foggy Bottom that we may actually end up with Col Q still in place.  ::)
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Post by: pope daniel on April 08, 2011, 02:22:24 AM
He reckons that in the confusion at the beginning the USA and NATO failed to understand the instructions coming out of Tel Aviv

no thats ridiculous. heres whats really happening; kaddafi is a crypto following orders, playing the nationalization of oil card to look good to his own people while the rest of the world is filled with propaganda against him.

more importantly in the mean-time, the U.S. government is about to have a shut-down and noone is going to get their income tax refunds. the masses will attempt any means to evade taxation (as Pope Daniel; by the grace of god, has already accomplished) and be put in the concentration camps (which Pope Daniel; by the grace of god, has pre-evaded)
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Post by: laconas on April 08, 2011, 02:47:17 AM
It's funny, really, reading the posts. This sort of badinage can only go on between friends: and I suppose we've known each other, most of us, in a way, for some years - since the days of Liberty Forum.

Tiresome though he may increasingly be, Mike Rivero has an interesting angle on Libya. He reckons that in the confusion at the beginning the USA and NATO failed to understand the instructions coming out of Tel Aviv and so ended up supporting the wrong side (the "rebels") when $h^ttylittlestan was backing Qadhdhafi. What we have now is an ungainly attempt to swap horses in mid race so as to back the Right Side. Hence the statements coming out of the Pentagram and Foggy Bottom that we may actually end up with Col Q still in place.  ::)

The answer is a lot more simple. The Jews with their few hundred paid mercenaries and x-cons simply don't have the support of the people and people see them as just hired thugs to re-colonize Libya. Life for most Libyans is not bad. The Jew's operation has failed because it has turned most of the people in Libya on the side Qaddafi rather than the jew hired thugs.
 
There's no doubt that the Jews could win the military battle in Libya, but that win would mean a much bigger political loss throughout Africa and the Muslim world regarding their future planned armed hold-ups.

Other factors against the Jews are the big powers, Russia and China voicing opposition, the loss of media control because of the net, and of course the arming of the people by Qaddafi that means any future puppet administrators and lesser administrators in Libya would have to live behind a Green Zone ala Iraq. .
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 08, 2011, 12:30:52 PM
NATO admits killing Libya revolutionaries

Fri Apr 8, 2011 2:57PM

Source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/173735.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/173735.html)

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A NATO-led airstrike has killed several anti-Gaddafi forces near key Libyan town of Brega.

NATO has admitted to killing revolutionary fighters and civilians in an airstrike in eastern Libya but has refused to apologize for the deadly bombardment.

Several anti-Gaddafi forces were killed in the NATO attack between the towns of Ajdabiya and Brega. This was the second time in less than a week that NATO fighter jets targeted revolutionary forces.

Thirteen opposition forces were killed in a NATO airstrike on Saturday.

However, NATO's Commander Rear Admiral Russell Harding gave no justification for the killings.

"I'm not apologizing," he told reporters in Naples on Friday.

"It would appear that two of our strikes yesterday may have resulted in the deaths of a number of [revolutionary] forces who were operating main battle tanks," he added

NATO has already been under fire from Libyan opposition forces for not doing enough to protect civilians.

The head of the opposition's armed forces Gen. Abdul Fattah Younis told reporters in Benghazi on Wednesday that NATO's inaction has allowed government troops to advance and kill people in Misratah and other cities.

Younis has also threatened to ask the United Nations Security Council to suspend the NATO mission in Libya if the military alliance does not do "its work properly."

He also slammed Western-led forces over the civilian death toll caused by NATO's bombing campaign in the country.

Many civilians have reportedly been killed since the Western-led war on Libya began last month.

Libyan troops have also killed thousands of civilians since the revolution against Colonel Gaddafi began in mid-February.

Critics, however, accuse the West of hypocrisy over the offensive on Libya, along with its silence towards the brutal crackdowns on similar anti-regime movements elsewhere in the Arab world, such as in Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and Yemen.

LW - Yeah, it's all very simple. They aren't in there to do anything more than STOP & CRUSH the anti Gaddafi forces. That jibes so well with Laconic's claim it's a jew led. The US always targets the Israelis don't you know. Oooops we made a 'mistake' but we ain't gonna apologize (after all we have our orders).
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Post by: laconas on April 08, 2011, 06:43:21 PM

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LW - Yeah, it's all very simple. They aren't in there to do anything more than STOP & CRUSH the anti Gaddafi forces. That jibes so well with Laconic's claim it's a jew led. The US always targets the Israelis don't you know. Oooops we made a 'mistake' but we ain't gonna apologize (after all we have our orders).



Low level jew paid merc's lives aren't worth a bucket of warm spit whether they're Druze or Ethiopians in the IDF, or paid "revolutionaries" in Libya.

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them end up in Gitmo; that's what they did with the Afghan mercs that were fighting against the Soviets. These low level hitmen simply know too much to be allowed to live and roam around the world.
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Post by: wag on April 08, 2011, 06:54:49 PM
that's what they did with the Afghan mercs that were fighting against the Soviets. These low level hitmen simply know too much to be allowed to live and roam around the world.

They can only get away with that for so long, and we're coming up on so long.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 12, 2011, 10:31:10 AM
'Gaddafi forces killed 10,000 in Libya'

Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:2PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/174468.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/174468.html)

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Forces loyal to embattled Libyan ruler Colonel Muammar Gaddafi has killed at least 10,000 people during the ongoing fighting in the North African country, opposition says.

Libya's National Transition Council said on Tuesday that another 30,000 were wounded and 20,000 more are still missing, AFP reported.

The revolutionary council, headed by Libya's former Justice Minister Mustafa Abdel Jalil, plans to lead the country to an election.

Jalil was among the first high-profile Libyan figures to join protesters following Gaddafi regime's brutal crackdown on the opposition.

The developments come as there are grave concerns regarding the humanitarian situation and the safety of civilians in the city of Misrata which is under siege by Gaddafi's forces.

Misratah has been the scene of heavy bombardments for more than a month now, with fighting reaching its central parts.

Meanwhile, the Western coalition says it has destroyed over 20 tanks belonging to forces loyal to Gaddafi over the weekend.

Libya's state-run television says a NATO airstrike on the town of Kikla has killed a number of civilians and police members.

Dozens of civilians have been killed in Libya since the Western military alliance launched aerial and sea attacks on the North African country.

Human rights groups say Libyan troops have also killed thousands of civilians since a revolution started against Colonel Gaddafi in mid-February.

LW - NATO... the 'forces  loyal to embattled Libyan ruler Colonel Muammar Gaddafi'.
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Post by: Zampan0 on April 12, 2011, 02:47:09 PM

LW - No point letting him keep all that wealth now that he no longer serves his purpose. Could be why Gaddafi is hanging on... not willing to slip into that dark, cold night they had planned for him as well no doubt.

That's what the bible tells us, "riches are fleeting".  Very true.  This guy and all the guy's like him, -Bush, Cheney, Gates, NebaKanezer, G. Khan, etc.  They are all just a bunch of pyscopath's that act like they can take it with them.  They kill innocent's for money and control of people.  I think Gaddafi is different from them, he's done alot to help his people.  For sure "They" want him dead.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 12, 2011, 03:56:35 PM
I think Gaddafi is different from them, he's done alot to help his people.  For sure "They" want him dead.

I don't really think so... he took more than he gave, but gave enough to keep things quiet. I think when he capitulated to the Jewish interests some years ago he did so by trading in the loyalty of the people in Libya. From there it was just a matter of time. I'm not sure in this new age of increased awareness by a growing number of people that tyranny, no matter how magnanimous, is tolerable. Chained to a bed of silk in a three bedroom house rather than to a rough cot in a hut still cannot satisfy the fundamental desire for freedom that burns in every heart true to God.
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Post by: laconas on April 12, 2011, 06:03:57 PM


Roberts is right on. Control of African resources and in turn control of China has begun with Libya. Syria's hosting of the Russian Navy and its alliance with Iran is another potential problem that will be dealt with before the big war starts.

More than likely Libya will be cut into 2 pieces. The eastern half has 75% of the oil and gas; they don't want to get bogged down before the bigger plans are executed.

Time frame? It has to happen before Obama, Sarkozy, and Cameron are voted out. Actually, it will be this big crisis that will keep these 3 Musketeers in office. Within the year seems very likely.

For fun and profit buy some futures options in any commodity.


Dr. Paul Craig Roberts with a Sobering Assessment of the World Situation

Take note of his repeated use of the word 'oligarchs' in relation to who controls US foreign policy...



http://www.youtube.com/v/A0Y0DMM1MOY?fs

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Post by: Zampan0 on April 12, 2011, 07:03:28 PM
I don't really think so... he took more than he gave, but gave enough to keep things quiet. I think when he capitulated to the Jewish interests some years ago he did so by trading in the loyalty of the people in Libya. From there it was just a matter of time. I'm not sure in this new age of increased awareness by a growing number of people that tyranny, no matter how magnanimous, is tolerable. Chained to a bed of silk in a three bedroom house rather than to a rough cot in a hut still cannot satisfy the fundamental desire for freedom that burns in every heart true to God.

I didn't know he sold out to the Chosen, but I'll take your word for it.

" Chained to a bed of silk in a three bedroom house rather than to a rough cot in a hut still cannot satisfy the fundamental desire for freedom that burns in every heart true to God".  Well said.  I guess that's why I get so disgusted with the folk's in my hood and probably the majority of folk's here in the U.S. i.e., it seems to me anyway, that most would pimp their daughter's for a Super Bowl ticket.  Lots go to "Sunday Show", then monday morning it's back to a job they hate and actually believe they are free.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 12, 2011, 07:05:52 PM
12 Libyans die in battle for Misratah

Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:6PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/174515.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/174515.html)

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A Libyan revolutionary stands on destroyed tanks of pro-Gaddafi forces on the outskirts of Ajdabiya on April 12.

Forces loyal to Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi have killed 12 people and injured several others in the Libyan town of Misratah.

A resident told Reuters that 12 people, including a young girl, were killed during heavy fighting between pro-Gaddafi forces and revolutionaries in the besieged city of Misratah on Tuesday.

He said by phone, "Medical workers today collected the bodies of 12 people, mainly civilians… Most of the bodies were retrieved from the area of Tripoli Street. The dead included a three-year-old girl who was shot dead by a sniper along with a 50-year-old man in the west of Misratah, medical workers told me."

Gaddafi forces have laid siege to Misratah and shelled the city for weeks, resulting in heavy civilian casualties.

Libya's National Transition Council said on Tuesday that pro-Gaddafi forces have killed at least 10,000 people during the fighting in the North African country, adding that another 30,000 have been injured and 20,000 more are still listed as missing, AFP reported.

Dozens of civilians have been killed in Libya since the Western military alliance launched aerial and sea attacks on the North African country.

Human rights groups say Libyan troops have also killed thousands of civilians since a revolution against Colonel Gaddafi began in mid-February.

LW - NATO sure is keeping Gaddafi down.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 12, 2011, 07:09:11 PM
I didn't know he sold out to the Chosen, but I'll take your word for it.

No, please, don't do that. But I'm sure you recall that he did do a turn around not long after Clinton took out his daughter and he took the blame for the Lockerbie plane bombing. That helped keep the lid on the exposure of the CIA/Mossad involvement in that murderous act.
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Post by: laconas on April 13, 2011, 03:41:24 AM

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“One should understand that the viability of the Libyan state itself is now at stake. What will we, I mean the international community and certainly the people of Libya, have – a single Libya or several states governed by puppet governments, and even by nobody or by radicals, extremists? This threat is quite realistic.”


Creating a new oil rich puppet state in the eastern part of Libya where 75% of the oil and gas reserves are located doesn't appear to be a threat but rather the plan. It's the same type of plan that separated the oil and gas rich area of the South Sudan from the resource poor Sudan proper.



Libya out of control – Medvedev


Published: 13 April, 2011, 09:43

Dmitry Medvedev speaking to China Central Television.RIA Novosti / Dmitriy Medvedev

Russia’s president said he blames NATO as well as Gaddafi and the rebels for the situation in Libya spiraling out of control, in an interview with Chinese TV ahead of the BRICS summit, where Libya will be discussed among other pressing issues.

­Dmitry Medvedev is to meet his counterparts from the other members of the BRICS group – China, India, Brazil and South Africa – in the southern Chinese city of Sanya.

The world's emerging economies are to discuss the best way to respond to the ongoing situation in Libya, which he described as “already out of control”. In his interview he warned of the real risk of the situation escalating and collapsing.

“Gaddafi does not control the situation because the country is convulsed by civil war, and many of his actions may be qualified as crimes. NATO does not control the situation either, because it does not have a mandate to carry out large-scale operations for obvious reasons,” said Medvedev. “And the no-fly zone operation has acquired very unusual features, because in fact it turned out to be the use of force. However, no result has been obtained, and as far as I understand, everybody has different plans in this regard… The rebels do not control the situation because they do not have enough forces, means or possibilities. The situation has already got out of control and it’s very sad.”

Medvedev also reiterated Russia’s stance on the situation in the North African state, as right from the beginning Russia was pushing for dialogue.

Both Russia and China had the power to veto United Nations Security Council resolutions, but abstained from last month’s vote that authorized the Western coalition’s air strikes on Libya to protect civilians from Gaddafi’s forces. NATO then took command of military operations at the end of March. Russia has criticized the NATO-led campaign for violating the UN resolution by backing one side in a civil war.

The Russian president said Gaddafi and the rebels, as well as NATO forces are to blame for failing to stop the country tearing itself apart.

“One should understand that the viability of the Libyan state itself is now at stake. What will we, I mean the international community and certainly the people of Libya, have – a single Libya or several states governed by puppet governments, and even by nobody or by radicals, extremists? This threat is quite realistic.”


Medvedev insisted that the priority is to bring a ceasefire between the Libyan rebels and Gaddafi’s forces.

In the interview he also covered the issue of the 2012 presidential election.

“I do not rule out the possibility of my running for a second term in the presidential election,” answered Medvedev. “The decision will be taken very shortly since the elections are less than a year away. This decision, however, should be, first, mature and, second, it should take into account the existing social situation, current political environment and, most importantly, the attitude of people,” added the president.

http://rt.com/news/libya-control-medvedev-situation/
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Post by: FrankDialogue on April 13, 2011, 06:17:37 AM
Libya more vital to Europe...

Sure: Italy, France get oil/gas from Libya...China, too...For US?...Just another possible base in Mid-East/North Africa as part of 'encirclement strategy, par of AFRICOM...
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Post by: thomaspain on April 13, 2011, 08:12:31 PM
Human rights groups say Libyan troops have also killed thousands of civilians since a revolution started against Colonel Gaddafi in mid-February.

   The exaggeration of the numbers killed makes it look like they are trying for the six million goal. This is foolish on their part since they do not have the same Covenant with Allah that the Jews have with Jehovah. Are they Semites too? Maybe there is a deal we are not aware of.

It is time for OBama to send in the Israeli Foreign

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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 13, 2011, 08:53:35 PM
   The exaggeration of the numbers killed makes it look like they are trying for the six million goal. This is foolish on their part since they do not have the same Covenant with Allah that the Jews have with Jehovah. Are they Semites too? Maybe there is a deal we are not aware of.

You kill your enemies. You sacrifice your own. The Jews have done that for effect on several occasions now. Then they blame their enemy and extract every drop of blood for 'their' sacrifice.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 14, 2011, 01:30:06 PM
NATO warned on Misratah 'massacre'

Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:40PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/174814.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/174814.html)

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A revolutionary fighter on Benghazi Street in Misratah, Libya

Libyan revolutionary forces have cautioned that troops loyal to embattled ruler Muammar Gaddafi would likely perpetrate a massacre in the northwestern city of Misratah.

"A massacre ... will take place here if NATO does not intervene strongly," an opposition spokesman who identified himself as Abdelsalam told Reuters.

He added that government forces fired dozens of rockets at the coastal city on Thursday.

Abdelsalam said that at least eight opposition fighters were killed and another 20 were wounded in the rocket attacks.

Scores of people were reportedly killed on Thursday after NATO warplanes launched fresh air strikes on the Libyan capital of Tripoli.

"Tripoli is now subjected to air strikes. There are civilian casualties," said an anchor of Libya's state-owned TV.

Plumes of smoke rose from the southeast of the city following the aerial attacks. Warplanes were also heard swooping at low altitude over the city center.

Western warplanes began their air assaults on Libya last month under a UN no-fly zone mandate. Thousands of civilians have been killed in the NATO-led campaign.

Libyan anti-government forces, inspired by revolutions that toppled authoritarian rulers in neighboring Tunisia and Egypt, are fighting to topple Gaddafi, who has ruled the country for over 41 years.


LW - it's unfortunate that the so-called 'opposition' actually thinks that NATO is there to 'prevent' things. If anything they are there to 'prevent' any opposition.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 14, 2011, 06:53:34 PM
'NATO uses DU weapons in Libya war'

Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:27PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/174843.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/174843.html)

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A French fighter jet is taking off for a mission over Libya from France's flagship Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier, in the Gulf of Sirte, off the Libyan coast, Wednesday, April 13, 2011.

An American journalist says that the US and NATO forces are using missiles and bombs with depleted uranium (DU) in their airstrikes on Libya.

Conn Hallinan, a columnist with Foreign Policy in Focus, based in Berkeley, California, has told Press TV that “The fact that the US is denying the use of depleted uranium munitions is just nonsense.”

Hallinan noted that in the West's air assaults, the explosions of Libyan tanks produced “enormous fireballs,” which is a unique characteristic that only DU bombs can cause.

“The long-term consequences are going to be very severe,” Hallinan added.

Impacts caused by the use of DU weapons include a range of health problems ranging from different kinds of cancer, such as leukemia, to genetic mutations. It also contaminates the air, water and soil with radioactivity.

Other reports have confirmed the use of DU since the implementation of the United Nation Security Council's no-fly zone over Libya.

The Stop the War Coalition has reported that American B-52 aircraft had dropped 45 one-ton bombs on key Libyan cities in the first 24 hours of the war on Libya.

The UN has prohibited the manufacture, testing, use, sale and stockpiling of depleted uranium weapons.

LW - As predicted, an Iraq redux. The means to perpetuating genocide for years to come.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 14, 2011, 09:54:54 PM
Gaddafi forces pound Misratah

Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:50AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/174866.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/174866.html)

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Revolutionary fighters in the desert on the outskirts of Ajdabiya, Libya Thursday, April 14, 2011.

Gaddafi forces have attacked the western city of Misratah, killing at least 23 civilians and wounding others, as the West continues to struggles in reaching a consensus on Libya.

Heavy fighting continued Thursday around Misratah, which has been at war since the revolution began in mid-February. Opposition fighters say government forces have deliberately targeted civilians as most of the dead are women and children, Reuters reported.

According to an opposition spokesman, pro-Gaddafi forces fired dozens of rockets at the coastal city, killing at least eight revolutionary fighters and wounding 20 others on Thursday.

International aid agencies and rights groups have warned of a growing humanitarian disaster in Misratah -- Libya's third largest city -- where hundreds of civilians have been reported killed since the siege began on the city six weeks ago.

During a NATO meeting in Berlin on Thursday, Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen, backed by the French and British governments, called for the intensification of the war on Libya by deploying more fighter jets in the effort. European NATO allies and the US have, however, rejected such calls.

Meanwhile, fresh fierce fighting has been reported around the northeastern town of Ajdabiya. Reports say pro-Gaddafi troops have launched heavy artillery and mortar fire on the positions of the revolutionary forces.

Scores of people were also reportedly killed in the Libyan capital of Tripoli after NATO warplanes launched fresh air strikes on Thursday.

Libyan Revolutionary forces have criticized Western coalition forces for their failure to prevent the killing of civilians by pro-Gaddafi troops.

LW - 'as the West continues to struggles in reaching a consensus on Libya.' So they 'struggle' do they? Hardly, the objective was decided well before the UN/NATO reached the decision to play cat's paw for the Jews once again. They have done nothing but kill civilians themselves. They served up death and destruction and couched it all in lies. Same 'ol, same 'ol.
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Post by: pope daniel on April 14, 2011, 10:56:27 PM
Gaddafi forces pound Misratah


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Revolutionary fighters in the desert on the outskirts of Ajdabiya, Libya Thursday, April 14, 2011.


looks like they photoshopped some guys at a reggae concert
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 15, 2011, 08:30:55 AM
RUSSIA ASKS FOR IMMEDIATE CEASEFIRE IN LIBYA

17:07 15 APR 2011

source: http://www.agi.it/english-version/world/elenco-notizie/201104151707-pol-ren1067-russia_asks_for_immediate_ceasefire_in_libya (http://www.agi.it/english-version/world/elenco-notizie/201104151707-pol-ren1067-russia_asks_for_immediate_ceasefire_in_libya)

(AGI) Berlin - Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has asked for an immediate ceasefire in Libya, stating that NATO military operations have exceeded the U.N. mandate "on more than one occasion." "Today we can state that in a series of cases, military action has exceeded the mandate conferred by the United Nations Security Council," said Sergei Lavrov at the end of the NATO-Russian Council in Berlin, asking for an "urgent" change involving a political and diplomatic solution . .

15/4/2011 20:24


Al-Qaeda may benefit from Libyan crisis - Russian minister

source: http://en.rian.ru/world/20110415/163547121.html (http://en.rian.ru/world/20110415/163547121.html)

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Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov

Al-Qaeda may gain from the situation in Libya, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Friday.

"Unfortunately, there is information that Al-Qaeda and other terrorists have a chance to benefit from the current situation in Libya," Lavrov said.

Soviet-made man-portable air-defense missile systems that the Libyan military and rebels possess could fall into the hands of terrorists amid unrest in the North African country, the head of Russia's Center for Analysis of World Arms Trade said last month.

Libyan strongman Muammar Gaddafi also last month expressed fears that Osama Bin Laden could take control of Libya and turn it into "a second Afghanistan."

Gaddafi previously blamed the unrest on al-Qaeda and Bin Laden.

The UN Security Council adopted a resolution imposing a no-fly zone over Libya on March 17, paving the way for the military operation against embattled Libyan leader Gaddafi that began two days later. The command of the operation was shifted from a U.S.-led international coalition to NATO in late March.

BERLIN, April 15 (RIA Novosti)

LW - And I'm sure the Russians know full well who Al-Queda really is.
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Post by: Sue on April 15, 2011, 11:35:13 AM
RUSSIA ASKS FOR IMMEDIATE CEASEFIRE IN LIBYA

17:07 15 APR 2011

Al-Qaeda may gain from the situation in Libya, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Friday.

"Unfortunately, there is information that Al-Qaeda and other terrorists have a chance to benefit from the current situation in Libya," Lavrov said.

LW - And I'm sure the Russians know full well who Al-Queda really is.

Libyan strongman Muammar Gaddafi also last month expressed fears that Osama Bin Laden could take control of Libya and turn it into "a second Afghanistan."

Gaddafi previously blamed the unrest on al-Qaeda and Bin Laden.

(Unless the Russians found a safe haven for Bin Laden) surely Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov cannot believe that Ossama is still alive. Al-Qaeda and Ossama? Hmm.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 15, 2011, 01:43:50 PM
"Unfortunately, there is information that Al-Qaeda and other terrorists have a chance to benefit from the current situation in Libya," Lavrov said.

I'm sure that this statement is couched in innuendo... the Russians must know that Al-Qaeda is merely the terrorist arm of the Mossad/CIA/MI6 tasked with the necessary false flag ops needed to scare the bejesus out of us. Essentially it's diplomatic code-speak and the Russians are telling the Americans they know what the real game is. As to Gaddafi I do not understand why anyone imagines for minute that he's on anyone's hit list. His forces have not been touched from what news I've seen and posted. But the opposition and hapless civilians have been killed at every opportunity.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 15, 2011, 01:58:06 PM
British MPs condemn PM over Libya

Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:26PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/175016.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/175016.html)

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British lawmakers have condemned Prime Minister David Cameron's talk of regime change in Libya as “outrageous”, saying he is illegally seeking to topple Muammar Qaddafi.

Members of Parliament (MPs) called for a recall of parliament on Friday, insisting that they had only supported the government in its attempt to enforce a no-fly zone over Libya to protect civilians as stipulated by the UN Security Council resolution 1973 last month, British media reported.

David Cameron drew MPs' condemnation when he published a joint article by US president Barack Obama, and French president Nicolas Sarkozy, boasting that Qaddafi “must go, and go for good”.

Cameron, Sarkozy and Obama penned a joint article, in which they dismissed a Libyan future with Qaddafi as "unthinkable", alleging that his staying on would represent an "unconscionable betrayal" by the rest of the world.

"It is unthinkable that someone who has tried to massacre his own people can play a part in their future government," said the article, which appeared on Friday in the London Times, The Washington Post and the French daily Le Figaro.

However, several Labour Party MPs in Britain put their weight behind the demand for the parliament to be recalled saying that it was outrageous to be talking about regime change in Libya.

“This joint letter makes it clear to the world that NATO will not stop till Gaddafi is removed. If that isn't regime change I don't know what is”, said John Baron, the Conservative MP for Basildon and Billercay.

"You only recall Parliament if there has been a material change of emphasis and this is a clear change of mission. The bottom line is that regime change is illegal under international law", added Baron who is also a member of the foreign affairs committee.

"What they have come out with is totally against what was agreed in Parliament", said Halifax MP Linda Riordan.

Thomas Docherty, a member of the defense select committee, said he would back a vote to authorize regime change in Libya, but he added, "this is well beyond what the House of Commons voted for. It is well beyond the resolution."

This is while that French Defense Minister Gerard Longuet said in Paris, the US, Britain and France are thinking beyond UN resolution 1973, which authorizes action to protect Libyan civilians, and now seek regime change.

However, other world powers including the BRICS group -- Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa - have urged that "the use of force should be avoided" as far as the Libya crisis is concerned.

Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev has gone further, arguing that Resolution 1973 did not authorize military action of the kind being carried out in Libya by attack jets from NATO and some Arab countries.
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Post by: Sue on April 15, 2011, 06:19:24 PM
I'm sure that this statement is couched in innuendo... the Russians must know that Al-Qaeda is merely the terrorist arm of the Mossad/CIA/MI6 tasked with the necessary false flag ops needed to scare the bejesus out of us. Essentially it's diplomatic code-speak and the Russians are telling the Americans they know what the real game is. As to Gaddafi I do not understand why anyone imagines for minute that he's on anyone's hit list. His forces have not been touched from what news I've seen and posted. But the opposition and hapless civilians have been killed at every opportunity.

I am certain that the Russians know the score ~ they too have long memories and are fully aware that there is no 'party' without the usual suspects, Mossad/CIA/MI6... (even John Perkins, the ''Economic Hitman'' knew the score.)
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 15, 2011, 08:59:20 PM
Gaddafi forces use cluster bombs: HRW

Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:26AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/175043.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/175043.html)

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Forces loyal to Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi have reportedly used cluster bombs in Misrata. (File photo)

Human Rights Watch (HRW) says troops loyal to decades-long Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi have used cluster bombs to hit residential areas in the northwestern city of Misratah.

The organization said some Misratah residents suspected four cluster bombs had exploded in the Libyan city, the Guardian reported Friday.

"They (cluster bombs) pose a huge risk to civilians, both during attacks, because of their indiscriminate nature, and afterward because of the still-dangerous unexploded duds scattered about," said Steve Goose, the arms division director of the organization.

In a statement, the HRW said, "The cluster munition is a Spanish-produced MAT-120 120mm mortar projectile, which opens in mid-air and releases 21 sub-munitions over a wide area. Upon exploding on contact with an object, each sub-munition disintegrates into high-velocity fragments to attack people and releases a slug of molten metal to penetrate armored vehicles.”

A spokesperson for the revolutionaries in Misratah said that he had heard "one big explosion followed by many smaller ones. It sounds like cluster bombs.”

He described the “candy bombs” as "something that resembles a pretty bottle. You pick it up, it explodes and kills you.”

"We never saw these injuries before. We need experts to assess [the munition]," said a doctor at a Misratah hospital.

There has been no confirmed report of casualties related to the cluster bombs.

International aid agencies and human rights groups have warned of a growing humanitarian disaster in Misratah, Libya's third largest city.

The US-led military alliance admits that its forces have killed dozens of civilians and opposition fighters in the ongoing aerial attacks on key Libyan cities.

A top NATO commander has recently said that the alliance has launched an investigation into the killings.

The airstrikes on crisis-hit Libya started on March 19 to enforce a UN-mandated no-fly zone over the North African country.

LW - So... who exactly is not being allowed to fly in this NATO no-fly zone? I guess NATO is too busy taking out opposition fighters and civilians to bother with Gaddafi's airports, hangers or planes. If it wasn't so tragic this whole affair could be construed as an epic comedy. The purported purpose of this 'humanitarian intervention' is laughable, a complete lie. Ten to one the pilots aren't even Libyan, loyal or otherwise.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 16, 2011, 02:26:01 PM
Fighting intensifies near key Libyan town

Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:38PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/175103.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/175103.html)

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Two Libyan revolutionary fighters riding a shattered vehicle that was damaged during fighting with pro-Gaddafi forces, talk to fellow rebels as they pass through the western gate of Ajdabiyah, Libya Friday, April 15, 2011.

Revolutionary forces in Libya are pushing forward to confront forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi on the outskirts of the opposition-held town of Ajdabiyah.


Heavy fighting and powerful explosions have been reported west of the city on Saturday.

The revolutionaries say they hold the desert terrain beyond Ajdabiyah, along a coastal road that leads to the key oil town of Brega.

The fighters' goal is to retake Brega. Some reports say they are already on the outskirts of the town.

Meanwhile, heavy explosions have rocked the besieged city of Misratah.

Gaddafi's forces have reportedly attacked the coastal city with at least 100 Grad rockets.

Human Rights Watch has confirmed that the Libyan regime forces fired internationally banned cluster munitions into residential areas in the city.
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Post by: Zampan0 on April 16, 2011, 03:22:52 PM
I am certain that the Russians know the score ~ they too have long memories and are fully aware that there is no 'party' without the usual suspects, Mossad/CIA/MI6... (even John Perkins, the ''Economic Hitman'' knew the score.)

These "rebel's" are fighting for cash only.  They have no legitimate cause and the average Libyn is against them.  So, imo., what needs to be done is to make serious examples of them.  Use the Libyan army to its best capibilites and allow the general's to use Guerrilla Warfare at their discretion.  Try to capture as many "rebel's" alive as possible.  Send these captured "rebel's" back to their rag tag treasonous army permanently blinded with amputated limbs.  The fighting will soon stop.  At least there won't be any "rebel's" fighting.  If it were a true rebellion by the people, such tactics would of course only serve the rebel's cause, but it isn't a true rebellion, so just do what is necessary to end the fighting.  There isn't enough money to cover permenent blindess and the loss of limbs.
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Post by: thomaspain on April 16, 2011, 05:56:50 PM
  Try to capture as many "rebel's" alive as possible.  Send these captured "rebel's" back to their rag tag treasonous army permanently blinded with amputated limbs.

   We should torture and maim those atrocity committing SOBs! I have heard that a few times before. If we do it, it is just. When they do it, it is an inhuman atrocity.

   The victor will judge who is right. No, humanity will judge. Necessary actions in the heat of combat can sometimes be excused. Premeditated atrocities are a crime against humanity, no matter what some government may say. There is justice in this World. Karma and "What goes around, comes around" are common beliefs which have been proven over time.

   A policy of committing atrocities has many sources and justifications. When a General finds that his men surrender too readily, he can easily discourage it. By permitting his men to commit atrocities and broadcasting it, he can be sure that the enemy will be hesitant to take prisoners. His men also realize that the enemy may be more interested in revenge than in taking prisoners. In past wars mass slaughter has caused future opponents to surrender and sometimes even become reluctant allies. Terror is a tool and a weapon, but has to be handled carefully.

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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 16, 2011, 05:57:38 PM
These "rebel's" are fighting for cash only.

Oh? And you know this how? Have you forgotten that a number of Libyan troops defected at the onset of the conflict?

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They have no legitimate cause and the average Libyn is against them.

Of course. Freedom isn't worth fighting for. Gaddafi gave them security after all. Like we get from Obama and his predecessors. Most of the Libyans know this and stayed home so they could be bombed by NATO.

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So, imo., what needs to be done is to make serious examples of them.  Use the Libyan army to its best capibilites and allow the general's to use Guerrilla Warfare at their discretion.  Try to capture as many "rebel's" alive as possible.  Send these captured "rebel's" back to their rag tag treasonous army permanently blinded with amputated limbs.  The fighting will soon stop.  At least there won't be any "rebel's" fighting.  If it were a true rebellion by the people, such tactics would of course only serve the rebel's cause, but it isn't a true rebellion, so just do what is necessary to end the fighting.  There isn't enough money to cover permanent blindness and the loss of limbs.

And when do you plan to go there and make an example of them? Either you're making light of it all, which I don't think the situation deserves, or if you're serious you need to stop listening to Abba... it's really fawked you up if that is the case.
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Post by: Zampan0 on April 17, 2011, 01:14:02 AM
   We should torture and maim those atrocity committing SOBs! I have heard that a few times before. If we do it, it is just. When they do it, it is an inhuman atrocity.

I didn't that "we" should do it, as "we" are the instigator's of it.  Gaddafi and the people's army of libya should do it.  Also, I didn't use the word torture.  Dope them up before bilnding and maiming them, who cares?  These so called rebel's are a real threat to the welfare of the people and the region.

You said:  "And when do you plan to go there and make an example of them?"
I have no intention of going to the Mid East for any reason, but if I were Libyan I would "make an example of them" in an instant.

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Post by: Zampan0 on April 17, 2011, 01:24:40 AM
Oh? And you know this how? Have you forgotten that a number of Libyan troops defected at the onset of the conflict?

There are traitor's in every army willing to sacrifice their oath of allegiance to the people for a handful of money.  In fact,  the U.S. armed forces are a prime example of this mercenary mentality.
 I know what I said sounds brutal and it is brutal, but do I need to show a photo of a poor innocent mutilated and murdered Libyan family to justify it?  There are plenty out there to show if you like.

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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 17, 2011, 07:50:53 AM
There are traitor's in every army willing to sacrifice their oath of allegiance to the people for a handful of money.  In fact,  the U.S. armed forces are a prime example of this mercenary mentality.
 I know what I said sounds brutal and it is brutal, but do I need to show a photo of a poor innocent mutilated and murdered Libyan family to justify it?  There are plenty out there to show if you like.

Sorry Z... the west has already exceeded anything done by Gaddafi or, as you seem to believe, the revolutionaries. I have seen zero reports that they did anything to anyone other than Gaddafi's forces, the Israeli mercenaries and the SAS. As Sun Tzu said - know your enemy. Seems you haven't been able to figure that one out yet. You've bought into the deception.

More Sun Tzu

'There has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited'

'All war is based on deception.'

'In the practical art of war, the best thing of all is to take the enemy's country whole and intact; to shatter and destroy it is not so good. '

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Post by: Zampan0 on April 17, 2011, 08:32:55 AM
I guess there hasn't been too many death's of innocent's, so far anyway.

"Libya civilian deaths vex Russia, China"
source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/171464.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/171464.html)

Here's an excerpt from a fairly lengthy article concerning Colonel Gaddafi;
source: http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/04/201148174154213745.html# (http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/04/201148174154213745.html#)

"The 2010 UN Human Development Index – which is a composite measure of health, education and income – ranked Libya 53rd in the world, and first in Africa.

What was a predominantly rural and backward country when the king was deposed 42 years ago is today a country with a modern economy and high literacy. This single fact embodies the gist of Gaddafi's claim to the historical legitimacy of his rule.

The popular debate on Libya is today divided: one side stresses solidarity with an oppressed people, the other is opposed to another Western war.

Soon after the Western coalition imposed a no-fly zone on Libya, the New York Times published an opinion piece by a Libyan professor of political science at a US east coast college. Ali Ahmida divided Gaddafi's rule into two periods, each representing one side of the argument today.

Impressions of a young Gaddafi

In its first two decades, he wrote, the revolution brought many benefits to ordinary Libyans: widespread literacy, free medical care, education, and improvements in living conditions. Women in particular benefited, becoming ministers, ambassadors, pilots, judges and doctors. The government got wide support from the lower and middle classes.

The down side was a demagogic regime that revelled in rituals of hero worship and cynically embraced violence. Faced with successive coup attempts, it staffed security forces with reliable relatives and allies from central and southern Libya, a move that gradually transformed a national government into a tribal administration".
Source:  http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/04/201148174154213745.html# (http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/04/201148174154213745.html#)

I've quit investigating the situation.  Pres. Obamma decided -lol. he decides nothing- to invade Libya for the sake of the people there.  Of course this is a lie.  A large pecentage of China's oil comes from Libya and to control that oil gives the PTB leverage over China and allows our dollar to remain afloat longer.  I think that's the whole Libyan deal in a nut shell.  Gaddafi has been a thorn in the side of TPTB from the start.

Gaddafi isn't the type of ruler that I would want to live under, but it seems he is better for the people of Libya than the king he desposed of -non violently.

After reading alot, I found that my idea of blinding and maiming rebel's, pseudo or otherwise, is common practice in that part of the world.  If I were a leader of a country with limited resources and had my back against the wall protecting my people from being colonized,  I would have to resort to such practices.  There would be no time for the luxury of fair trials and such.

"'There has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited" -Sun Tzu

So, let the thing play out as it will.  I just don't like to be a part of a nation that goes around killing innocent folks for nefarious reasons.  It's love it or leave it I guess, no reason to become upset over it.  It's no longer my country anyway.  R. Reagan said that he didn't leave the Democratic Party but that it left him.  I feel pretty much the same way about America and me.

You are very perceptive LW,  that "ABBA" group gets me worked up.  Especially that "Fernando" song of their's.  Better that I quit listening to them and learn how to sing and play "The Song of the South" and tell fairy tales to children.

Also, I was a bit upset last night when I wrote what I wrote.  I set the allarm clock to wake up at 2:30 a.m. to place a bid on an Osprey 7x 600 rangefinder pre owned but never used.  It could measure speed as well as distance.  Very rare, out of production.  Iwas ready to bid $130.00 for it.  I got up without the allarm clock going off 10 min. late.  I would have bid $130.00 in the last 2-3 seconds and would have won it, it went for $124.50.  I was bummed.  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=true&item=220769583905&si=A1eehomE%252F8X2KdGPZVtrjIzG4WI%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=true&item=220769583905&si=A1eehomE%252F8X2KdGPZVtrjIzG4WI%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT)

 





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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 17, 2011, 10:42:36 AM
If I were a leader of a country with limited resources and had my back against the wall protecting my people from being colonized,  I would have to resort to such practices.  There would be no time for the luxury of fair trials and such.

That presents a philosophical problem for me. Essentially you are using the rationale that the ends justify the means. It seems to me that once you take that course then you betray some pretty basic principles and it usually results in a perpetuation of such 'emergency measures' and the justification for continuing such policies that are initially introduced as 'temporary'.

Worthy of further discussion, though of course much has been written on the subject.
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Post by: Zampan0 on April 17, 2011, 11:23:07 AM
That presents a philosophical problem for me. Essentially you are using the rationale that the ends justify the means. It seems to me that once you take that course then you betray some pretty basic principles and it usually results in a perpetuation of such 'emergency measures' and the justification for continuing such policies that are initially introduced as 'temporary'.

Worthy of further discussion, though of course much has been written on the subject.

If the ends are to save one's country and the people of the country from enslavement, there can be no argument about any means used in doing so.  Such means would stop immediately after the invading army stopped its agression, but would always be waiting in the wings for any further attempts.  In no way could one correlate my actions with that of an on going police state as we have here after 911. 

I'll try and make an analogy to justify such brutal actions for defense.  Say for example, you and your family are sitting at home and a gang of thugs are trying to break down your door to come in.  They have already shot your dog which was outside, so you know that their intentions are probably the same for you and your family.  By observation you see there are other gang member's in your yard waiting for the first few to break down your door and secure your home before they come in.  You immediately grab your shotgun and tell your family to take refuge in another part of the house.  You take cover and let them come in.  You shoot the largest of them and hope the other's will surrender.  You now have hostages and the tables have turned on the intruder's.  You make communication with the gang member's outside.  Place one of the intruder's head in a bag and give it to one of your hostages to give to whom ever is leading the group outside along with your intentions of sending the other's out piece by piece.  You retain whatever hostages you have while trying to gain help from ally's near by.   It is a very desperate situation.  If the intruder's outside have any sense they will leave.  You hold the hostages until help arrives then have a legal trial and hang them.  It is now over, but your shotgun remains close at hand forever.

Am I making any sense at all?  Or, should I wait for The Human Rights Org. to come and sort things out after my family and I are dead?

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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 17, 2011, 01:03:21 PM
If the ends are to save one's country and the people of the country from enslavement, there can be no argument about any means used in doing so.

That was what was used by Lincoln and instead of hostilities ending right after that war the carpetbaggers and corruption moved in. We're still paying for that.

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I'll try and make an analogy to justify such brutal actions for defense.

I ave no problem with meeting force with force in the case of self-defense. However in Libya I don't think Gaddafi could carry water on that pretense. He is a dictator and thus, whatever 'benefits' he may bestow he does so by aggression... taking from the people to 'give'... in the same way the IRS takes from us and then we hear how glad we should be for all the 'privileges' we're 'given'.

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Am I making any sense at all?  Or, should I wait for The Human Rights Org. to come and sort things out after my family and I are dead?

I understand your point but I think I answered it. Two different scenarios entirely. And no, like 9-11... wait 12 minutes, Smith & Wesson... 2 seconds.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 17, 2011, 05:16:38 PM
Aw c'mon, these so called rebels were backed up with America's top war planes and a bunch of other stuff.

Only if you believe the press. As far as I can determine looking at the facts they are helping Gaddafi. Their storyline is a pile of BS. They haven't touched him, bombed him, or stopped his assaults on the people.
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Post by: Zampan0 on April 17, 2011, 05:30:24 PM
Only if you believe the press. As far as I can determine looking at the facts they are helping Gaddafi. Their storyline is a pile of BS. They haven't touched him, bombed him, or stopped his assaults on the people.

True enough I guess.  Then again, the last time they tried to get him, they missed him but killed his daughter.  This was when Reagan tried to get him, remember?  Who knows?  It may all be show biz.  I'm no longer going to even follow it.  Gadaffi does deny using cluster bombs on his people.  I guess the question is, who to believe, Gadaffi or the press.  I'd have to pick Gadaffi as I don't believe the press on anything anymore.  One would need to search for an honest reporter on the ground for the facts.  I tried some to find one, but gave up.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 17, 2011, 07:01:53 PM
Britain rules out ground attack on Libya

Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:17AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/175367.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/175367.html)

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British Prime Minister David Cameron

British Prime Minister David Cameron has said England will not deploy any ground troops in Libya as tension remains high in the North African country.

"What we've said is there is no question of an invasion or an occupation, this is not about Britain putting boots on the ground, this is not what we are about here," Reuters quoted Cameron as saying on Sunday.

The UN Security Council resolution 1973 authorized a no-fly zone over Libya to protect people against air attacks carried out by forces loyal to Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi but ruled out any foreign invasion of the country.

The US, Britain, France, and later NATO fighter jets, have since launched airstrikes targeting Libya's military bases and equipment but have caused civilian casualties in several cases, thus contradicting the purpose they were tasked with.


Last week, leaders of Britain, France and the US urged in a joint letter that Gaddafi should quit power and voiced deep concern about the humanitarian crisis that is taking place especially in the western city of Misratah.

This is while many analysts believe the main motive behind the West's military action in Libya is the country's rich oil reserves.

Clashes between revolutionary forces and Gaddafi loyalists continued on Sunday. Reports said that the Gaddafi's troops killed seven people and injured 27 others in the opposition-held town of Ajdabiyah.

Meanwhile, revolutionary forces said they had successfully carried out attacks on regime troops in the strategic town of Misratah.

LW - First off, why would they invade to take out Gaddafi? If they can't keep him penned in by air power lone and let the opposition take him out on the ground then they certainly need not invade. But then wtf were SAS doing there. Secondly, he's a lying politician (redundant) and anything he says is suspect. He may not send in British troops but I'm sure they can find a way to move in troops from some colonial serfdom or other.
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Post by: pope daniel on April 17, 2011, 07:37:34 PM
Gaddafi mentions Israelis assassinated JFK
http://www.youtube.com/v/hmNzEpbkftU?fs=1&

Mabye jews going on TV and claiming Gaddafi is one of them is just defamation. Can you really trust them to be honest on TV about anything?


Gaddafi acknowledges al-queda is a hoax, claims real terrorists are western forces.
http://www.youtube.com/v/5K5ZNuu1I2c?fs=1&

i'm starting to sympathize with gaddafi, i should start dressing like him

Gaddafi speech caused white women to spontaneously convert to islam: italian leaders embarassed by their own lack of charisma
http://www.youtube.com/v/S-D-QTF-xtI?fs=1&
now thats fresh
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Post by: laconas on April 17, 2011, 08:56:59 PM

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Gaddafi mentions Israelis assassinated JFK

The first video in itself explains why the Jews want Qaddafi out.
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Post by: Vidarr on April 17, 2011, 09:26:34 PM
or stopped his assaults on the people.
His assaults on people ?
So far i've only seen Us/israeli trained mercenaries, criminals and bums riding around a white pickup truck randomly firing AA shells at nothing in particular. But when Ghadafi takes necessary measures to defend his country against this hostile take over attempt, he is assaulting the people ??   Next Nato issues a no fly zone due to unproven claims of aerial bombings and start bombing everything they seem fit and when they mess up their targeting they blame Ghadaffi, When using illegal clusterbombs they blame ghadafi.
What did Ghadafi do other than run a meaningless country with a small population who just happens to sit on a shitload of natural resources ?.
Did he treat his people bad ?  Did he trash his country ? Rob the pensionfunds ? Does the libyan police beat up unruly thugs.
If you ever experienced these north african people you'll soon learn that the only way to get them to behave is to beat the shit out of them if they don't, I'm not joking.. anything less and they will trash the place.
Europe is flooded with these ravaging berbers and police has their hands full.
Trying the polite way by using european standards of human interaction simply does not work.
Do not assume they can be treated in the same manner that is common among North Europeans. Applying our standards to them is idiocy.   
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Post by: laconas on April 17, 2011, 09:55:06 PM
His assaults on people ?
So far i've only seen Us/israeli trained mercenaries, criminals and bums riding around a white pickup truck randomly firing AA shells at nothing in particular. But when Ghadafi takes necessary measures to defend his country against this hostile take over attempt, he is assaulting the people ??   Next Nato issues a no fly zone due to unproven claims of aerial bombings and start bombing everything they seem fit and when they mess up their targeting they blame Ghadaffi, When using illegal clusterbombs they blame ghadafi.
What did Ghadafi do other than run a meaningless country with a small population who just happens to sit on a $h^tload of natural resources ?.
Did he treat his people bad ?  Did he trash his country ? Rob the pensionfunds ? Does the libyan police beat up unruly thugs.
 

Qaddafi has a big mouth and is not controllable. Even though, he's hard to take out cause he the support of the people in his country, and after this attempted takeover by CIA/SAS/Mosaad trained thugs, even more so. The Jews biggest weapon in this fight is the economic embargo against the people of Libya to make them submit to the new puppet rulers.

The total miscalculation by the Jews was obvious within the first few weeks. The people didn't rise to oppose Qaddafi, rather they rose to protect their homes and property from the hired thugs. Libya new heavily armed people's militia, armed by Qaddafi, makes it nearly impossible for even the best forces to enter Tripoli. Sure, the Jews have the means, but at what price?

The most likely outcome will be splitting Libya into 2 pieces. 75% of the oil and gas is in the east, and as everyone knows, this is what it's really about.
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Post by: Jan Robertson on April 18, 2011, 08:56:52 AM
Sat Apr 16
LW - So... who exactly is not being allowed to fly in this NATO no-fly zone? I guess NATO is too busy taking out opposition fighters and civilians to bother with Gaddafi's airports, hangers or planes. If it wasn't so tragic this whole affair could be construed as an epic comedy. The purported purpose of this 'humanitarian intervention' is laughable, a complete lie. Ten to one the pilots aren't even Libyan, loyal or otherwise.

LW you perhaps need to read more than PressTV which appears to be your main source of information. I searched all sources and found the following, so either PressTV decided not to report this or you missed it? You have made several references to Gaddaffi's airforce not being targetted, when they obviously have been. Also how he has been killing civilians ... Perhaps re-iterating the obvious would be appropriate at this time ie both opposition and supporters are civilian  (this is a civil war and should be left to 'the people").  Plus his supporters outnumber the opposition.



The Telegraph

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/africa/US-Military-Libyan-Air-Force-Destroyed--118535344.html

US Military: Libyan Air Force Destroyed
Jerome Socolovsky | Washington  March 23, 2011

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Destroyed military vehicles are seen at a naval military facility after coalition air strikes in eastern Tripoli, March 22, 2011
A senior U.S. military officer said on Wednesday that coalition strikes on Libya appear to have destroyed the country's air force, while not causing any known civilian casualties.

Rear Admiral Gerard Hueber, chief of staff of Joint Task Force Odyssey Dawn, spoke to reporters at the Pentagon from aboard the USS Mount Whitney in the Mediterranean Sea.

He said coalition forces had flown 175 sorties over a 24 hour period ending Wednesday morning. The proportion flown by U.S. aircraft has dropped to a little more than half - or 63 sorties, he said. As a result, he added, Libya no longer has an operable air force.

"Libyan air forces have been interdicted or atritted," said Admiral Hueber. "Those aircraft have either been destroyed or rendered inoperable. We have no confirmed flight activity by regime forces over the past 24 hours."

He added that there were no reports of civilian casualties as a result of the air campaign.

Hueber said the coalition is now targeting tanks, artillery and rocket launchers and moving the attacks westward to protect the cities of Ajdabiya and Misrata. Hueber said there was no indication that forces loyal to the Libyan leader, Col. Moammar Gadhafi, had stopped attacking civilian populations, as required by the U.N. Security Council's resolution establishing the no-fly zone.

Hueber said the objective of the mission is not to oust the Libyan leader, but to protect civilians and enable humanitarian aid to reach them.

In Cairo, Defense Secretary Robert Gates cautiously suggested that opposition fighters who suffered recently may now have an opportunity to regroup following the attacks on the Gadhafi  air force.

"I think a lot of the people who were in opposition and who played a role in the early days have hunkered down," said Secretary Gates. "And it may be that the changed circumstances, where he can't use his aircraft and where he's more challenged in using his armor - [they] may return to the fight. But we just don't know that now."

Gates said that the U.S. is still planning to hand over the key role in the attacks on Libya to its coalition allies.


Mystica: Is this an excuse for the miniscule "Opposition force" in comparison with Gadaffi supporters? Will the 'return' be boosted by "coallition" forces?

The PEOPLE (civilians) are also the OPPOSITION. THE People (also civilians) are Supporters. So which "civilians is Gaddafi killing? Saddam was also accused of killing HIS people who turned out to be KURDS who crossed the border from Iran, and the Shia Muslims wanting to take control of Iraq oil ... Either way these countries have been TARGETTED by Israel and the US to form a greater Israel in total charge of the entire ME ... ie WE have no right to be at war with any of them ... they have never threatened or attacked our countries. What they do in their own countries is their business and not ours.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8402281/Libya-Gaddafis-air-force-has-been-destroyed.html

 March 23, 2011
 
Libya: Gaddafi's air force 'has been destroyed'




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8403073/Libya-military-base-destroyed-by-air-strikes.html

Libya: military base 'destroyed' by air strikes
Western warplanes have hit Libya for a fifth night in succession, causing major destruction to a military base, state television reported.
embed video here....

8:06AM GMT March 24, 2011
 
The footage showed a serious fire at what it said was a military base in Tripoli, and badly damaged military vehicles. According to the report, the destruction was caused by an overnight air strike.

A loud explosion was heard in the Libyan capital early and smoke could be seen rising from an area where a military base is situated.

One resident told reporters that the smoke was coming from a military area near an engineering college in the Tajoura district of the city.

The Libyan government has accused the Western powers of killing dozens of civilians in the air strikes, however, US military officials have strongly denied this
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 18, 2011, 10:58:33 AM
LW you perhaps need to read more than PressTV which appears to be your main source of information.

C'mon mystica... you should know me better than that. PressTV is the only one reporting anything on a daily basis which is why I'm posting from them since nothing, and I mean NOTHING, is coming from the western press and what does is dripping in propaganda and false innuendo. I'll be happy to look at other sources (and do, contrary to your insinuation) but so far they're all a day late and a dollar short. I didn't create the media monopoly so please don't expect me to pretend it is not biased and dishonest and be expected to take their 'reports' with anything but a bucket of salt.

The first article is posted if you go back through this thread.

Considering that the opposition had taken over a number of depots and bases it is rather difficult to know who's being targeted. Like the SAS going in and blowing up assets that had been taken that way. But from my research and knowledge of military tactics I am quite certain that that NATO has done little to stop the civilians deaths as was their raison d'etre for their no fly zone, that they have in fact killed more civilians than has Gaddafi and that they are there at the behest of Zionist interests to prevent the people from taking power. They much prefer a Gaddafi than have people run things. That's pretty much a given and supported in much detail in history. How does it make sense that the Americans give the green light for the Saudis to invade Bahrain and kill, kill and kill some more and yet nothing is said? Something about the Libyans that have endeared the people  to NATO? I think not. For the Zionists anyone that isn't a part of their system is the enemy.

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Post by: Jan Robertson on April 18, 2011, 02:19:42 PM
C'mon mystica... you should know me better than that.


I thought I did, but I think you're missing the point where Gaddafi is concerned.

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PressTV is the only one reporting anything on a daily basis which is why I'm posting from them since nothing, and I mean NOTHING, is coming from the western press and what does is dripping in propaganda and false innuendo.


PressTV is also western press and the fact they are reporting on a daily basis and 'not' reporting the attacks on Gaddafi's (airforce), and only what Gaddafi is (supposedly) doing gives pause for thought... I'm assuming that America is not getting the press reports that we here in Oz are getting because ABC has reported a more even approach than CNN, Jim Lehrer and others are doing ... We get your news here as well as British, Europe and our own ... so maybe we are getting a better perspective.

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I'll be happy to look at other sources (and do, contrary to your insinuation) but so far they're all a day late and a dollar short.

Then why didn't you pick-up on the reports about Gaddafi's airforce being destroyed? Several times you have posted that he has not been attacked and his airforce is still intact? That's not what we are hearing here in Oz! When was the last time we heard about air stikes from Gadaffi?

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I didn't create the media monopoly so please don't expect me to pretend it is not biased and dishonest and be expected to take their 'reports' with anything but a bucket of salt.

Of course the MSM are biased and dishonest because they report what they are told to report, and in the 'way' they are told, or the journalists lose their jobs ... So why are you still convinced that the news you pass on is the right news? Gaddafi has been a target for a long time but he remains because 'they' are afraid that it's too soon to pull the same stunt twice (remember iraq?) in such a small amount of time ... TPTB rely on the premise that "the old die and the young forget" (the reason history always repeats itself). What is forgotten is the fact that Gaddafi won a BLOODLESS coup to become the dictator of Libya and he has (like it or not) done a great deal for his country to bring it into the 21st century ... Sure he's a tyrant and some of his people want more than they have gotten so far, but so do many of our own countrymen in regards to our own situations. In fact we are LOSING our freedoms, and comforts while the Libyans have gained during Gaddafi's rule.

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The first article is posted if you go back through this thread.

I've been over and over this thread and tried to stay out of commenting hoping that everyone would finally see the 'forest', but alas this thread dominates and other topics are being neglected


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Considering that the opposition had taken over a number of depots and bases it is rather difficult to know who's being targeted. Like the SAS going in and blowing up assets that had been taken that way. But from my research and knowledge of military tactics I am quite certain that that NATO has done little to stop the civilians deaths as was their raison d'etre for their no fly zone, that they have in fact killed more civilians than has Gaddafi and that they are there at the behest of Zionist interests to prevent the people from taking power.

There it is in your own words! TPTB do not have a suitable candidate to take Gaddafi's place. The rag tag mob that form the 'revolutionary' army are malcontents that would impose an even harsher dictatorship and an uneducated (and therefore uncontrollable) negotiator than Gaddafi, and with a lot more bloodshed. Gaddafi has capitulated to the zionists in the past in order to "Keep the Peace" and keep the flies out of the ointment. He didn't want another Iraq and he was all too aware of what TPTB could do (let's face it he's a smart cookie and all too aware of what they have done in the cause for regime change, war on 'terror', Lockerby, 9/11, Iraq sanctions that killed thousands before Shock and awe, desert storm, Highway of death, et al, plus regime change for ALL of the ME, so that Globalization can 'officially' become a reality. And for that to happen the entire ME must come under Zionist control with a suitable Puppet in every state.

Everyone should have become aware of Gaddafi's situation when it was 'let slip' that he was a Jew ... that's the most blatant lie of all ... he looks as much like a Jew as I do an Arab. Not to mention his parents were BERBERS and he was born in a Bedouin tent ... But anything that is implied sticks like $#!t to a blanket. People should listen with an open mind to what Gaddafi really says and then apply that to what the TPTB reports to counteract it. Gaddafi's real crime was trying to UNITE all Arab and African states (against western powers). TPTB can't afford to be too radical in the treatment of Libya in case the rest of the world discovers just what the "Federation of Arab Republics" and a "United States of Africa" would mean to GLOBALIZATION and Zionist rule ...

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They much prefer a Gaddafi than have people run things. That's pretty much a given and supported in much detail in history. How does it make sense that the Americans give the green light for the Saudis to invade Bahrain and kill, kill and kill some more and yet nothing is said? Something about the Libyans that have endeared the people  to NATO? I think not. For the Zionists anyone that isn't a part of their system is the enemy.

Because the Saudis made a pact with the devil and like their comforts so much that they see themselves becoming a Zionist empire for the ME ... So puffed up with ego and wealth they can't imagine Zionist Israel being top dog. And lets not forget what saints of honesty the MSM moguls are, (Not) Why would they say anything against the Saudi Puppets?.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 18, 2011, 03:00:53 PM
I thought I did, but I think you're missing the point where Gaddafi is concerned.

Ok... tell me , what is the point about Gaddafi? Benevolent dictator? Independent? Loves his people? Enemy of Zionism? Scourge of central bankers? Proponent of socializing the oil industry? A monk who lives a humble existence in his palaces?
 
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PressTV is also western press...

Press TV takes revolutionary steps as the first Iranian international news network, broadcasting in English on a round-the-clock basis.

Our global Tehran-based headquarters is staffed with outstanding Iranian and foreign media professionals.

Press TV is extensively networked with bureaus located in the world's most strategic cities.
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So we've already invade Iran and made it western?

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... and the fact they are reporting on a daily basis and 'not' reporting the attacks on Gaddafi's (airforce), and only what Gaddafi is (supposedly) doing gives pause for thought...

What attack?

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I'm assuming that America is not getting the press reports that we here in Oz are getting because ABC has reported a more even approach than CNN, Jim Lehrer and others are doing ... We get your news here as well as British, Europe and our own ... so maybe we are getting a better perspective.

You're kidding right? ABC more even that CNN? And demons are more even handed than the devil? I'm sure in the land of OZ the propaganda is thick as it is in NA.

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Then why didn't you pick-up on the reports about Gaddafi's air force being destroyed?

Even if there were such reports I wouldn't believe them. It's a charade don't you see? They're pretending they're taking out Gaddafi. Reporters siting on the decks of carriers watching airplanes take off and being told what they will doing... are any of those western media types IN Libya? Standing on the tarmac of those bases?

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Several times you have posted that he has not been attacked and his air force is still intact? That's not what we are hearing here in Oz! When was the last time we heard about air strikes from Gadaffi?

Read back through the thread. To be frank I'm quite certain that his pilots have all bailed and NATO is flying his jets. Same equipment anyway. Just like those fatigues you claimed to be definitive proof that the US is financing the revolutionaries. It doesn't work the other way around apparently.

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So why are you still convinced that the news you pass on is the right news?

I have never said it, I never claimed it, and whether right or wrong is easy enough fro me to discern. That's what we do here (some of us). I'm merely relaying what I see and hear and making my own observations. I'm not so stupid as to believe anything that comes from in front of a camera. In fact if you read back I mention several times that PressTV too often relies on western 'pundits' who in themselves have been discredited in NA.

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Gaddafi has been a target for a long time but he remains because 'they' are afraid that it's too soon to pull the same stunt twice (remember Iraq?) in such a small amount of time ... The PTB rely on the premise that "the old die and the young forget" (the reason history always repeats itself). What is forgotten is the fact that Gaddafi won a BLOODLESS coup to become the dictator of Libya and he has (like it or not) done a great deal for his country to bring it into the 21st century ... Sure he's a tyrant and some of his people want more than they have gotten so far, but so do many of our own countrymen in regards to our own situations. In fact we are LOSING our freedoms, and comforts while the Libyans have gained during Gaddafi's rule.

Yeah, sure. That's reason enough to keep him. He takes and gives back a little more than your usual tyrant. As to the PTBs being afraid of another Iraq I've yet to see them quiver over Iraq. They had no problem sending their Saudi minions into Bahrain. Fear of public castigation is the very least of their concerns. In fact they love to do it now because it instills fear in everyone throughout the world.

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I've been over and over this thread and tried to stay out of commenting hoping that everyone would finally see the 'forest', but alas this thread dominates and other topics are being neglected.

Like what? Bahrain? Syria? Gaza? Japan? Saint (Ron) Paul? Donald Trump. The next fixed election? Hollywood squares? No one is preventing you from posting those 'other' subjects. Please do. This business that someone is restricted here to post is getting old fast. All that's asked is to not derail other peoples posts with one liners about Jews (and no one else) and running threads off the tracks.

If I'm not interested on certain issues you won't hear anything from me on those threads unless someone complains.

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There it is in your own words! The PTB do not have a suitable candidate to take Gaddafi's place.

Which is why they are keeping him in power.

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The rag tag mob that form the 'revolutionary' army are malcontents that would impose an even harsher dictatorship and an uneducated (and therefore uncontrollable) negotiator than Gaddafi, and with a lot more bloodshed. Gaddafi has capitulated to the Zionists in the past in order to "Keep the Peace" and keep the flies out of the ointment.

We're gonna be a rag tag army here soon enough. So was Washington's. I guess if they wear designer jeans then they're acceptable? And this harsher regime... you know that how?

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He didn't want another Iraq and he was all too aware of what TPTB could do (let's face it he's a smart cookie and all too aware of what they have done in the cause for regime change, war on 'terror', Lockerby, 9/11, Iraq sanctions that killed thousands before Shock and awe, desert storm, Highway of death, et al, plus regime change for ALL of the ME, so that Globalization can 'officially' become a reality. And for that to happen the entire ME must come under Zionist control with a suitable Puppet in every state.

It already is. He is. They all are. The people there are sick of it. They weren't afraid to come out into the streets to protest. They were run over, shot, teargassed, absconded, tortured and God knows what else. All that so they wouldn't have to suffer the same fate at the hands of the noble western military, a military that lives up to the Geneva convention each and every day.
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Post by: Jan Robertson on April 19, 2011, 01:55:28 PM
Ok... tell me , what is the point about Gaddafi? Benevolent dictator? Independent? Loves his people? Enemy of Zionism? Scourge of central bankers? Proponent of socializing the oil industry? A monk who lives a humble existence in his palaces?

Granted he is a dictator, and like all dictators he is often guilty of deception, lying, cruelty and atrocities when he sees the need... but these happen in HIS OWN country to his own people. Unlike OUR dictators O'bama, and PM Ju-lia(r) Gillard who take their attrocities out on foreign soil as well as their own ...mustn't forget the Murrah building, the twin towers, Bali bombing as apertizers. Gaddafi may be all that is said about him but that still doesn't justify involving ourselves in his civil war.... "That's the point!"
 
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Press TV takes revolutionary steps as the first Iranian international news network, broadcasting in English on a round-the-clock basis.

Our global Tehran-based headquarters is staffed with outstanding Iranian and foreign media professionals.

Press TV is extensively networked with bureaus located in the world's most strategic cities.

And most of their news from... "Our global Tehran-'based' headquarters is staffed with outstanding Iranian and foreign media professionals". And not one of them named and no news item carries the Journalists name.

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So we've already invade Iran and made it western?

ALL ME countries co-operate with western powers to some degree, and they all have western Ambassadors and diplomats, they also have western journalists reporting from them, even the ones we are at war with so they are not infalable nor totally believable ... we have to make 'informed' decisions and factual information is hardly at a 'premium' these days. Every news source is after all a BUSINESS.

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*they are reporting on a daily basis and 'not' reporting the attacks on Gaddafi's (airforce), and only what Gaddafi is (supposedly) doing

What attack?

http://www.youtube.com/v/7L1hWPGVcB0 

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Missile strike next to Gaddafi's tent
The building, about 50 metres from the tent where Gaddafi generally meets guests, was flattened. It was hit by a missile, Libyan spokesman Moussa Ibrahim told journalists, who were taken to the site by bus.

The Indepenant (UK)

Gaddafi's air force 'destroyed' by coalition
The international coalition has wiped out Muammar Gaddafi's air force and no RAF planes have come under Libyan attack during the operation, a senior commander said today.
RAF Air Vice-Marshal Greg Bagwell said the allied forces had "taken away (Mr Gaddafi's) eyes and ears" and "destroyed the majority of his air force".
Speaking at the southern Italian air base of Gioia del Colle, where the RAF fighter pilots are based, he said: "Effectively, their air force no longer exists as a fighting force and his integrated air defence system and command and control networks are severely degraded to the point that we can operate with near impunity across Libya."
The destruction of Gaddafi's capabilities was carried out by a combination of bombs and missiles dropped from aircraft and sea missiles.
RAF jets, which continue to patrol the no-fly zone over the north African country, have so far remained unscathed by the action.

Full story ....http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/gaddafis-air-force-destroyed-by-coalition-2250427.html



and from pressTV 19/4/11
 
NATO strikes Tripoli, Aziziyah, Sirte
NATO warplanes have launched airstrikes on the Libyan capital, Tripoli, and the city of Aziziyah in the north and Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi's hometown of Sirt in the east.
http://www.presstv.com/detail/175632.html

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You're kidding right? ABC more even that CNN? And demons are more even handed than the devil? I'm sure in the land of OZ the propaganda is thick as it is in NA.

Of course it is, I didn't say that it wasn't. Propaganda is world wide, we should re-name it globalizm. However, how much OZ news do you get in total? We get the actual full coverage from NA sources as well as having the internet to corroborate.

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Even if there were such reports I wouldn't believe them. It's a charade don't you see? They're pretending they're taking out Gaddafi. Reporters siting on the decks of carriers watching airplanes take off and being told what they will doing... are any of those western media types IN Libya? Standing on the tarmac of those bases?

Actually Yes! I have watched numerous reports from Aussie Journo's in the thick of the fighting and reporting direct.

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Read back through the thread. To be frank I'm quite certain that his pilots have all bailed and NATO is flying his jets. Same equipment anyway. Just like those fatigues you claimed to be definitive proof that the US is financing the revolutionaries. It doesn't work the other way around apparently.

Not quite LOL

Libya defectors: Pilots told to bomb protesters flee to Malta
John Hooper in Rome and Ian Black
guardian.co.uk, Monday 21 February 2011 21.21 GMT

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Two civilian helicopters, which landed without authorisation after leaving Libya, at Malta International Airport. Photograph: Darrin Zammit Lupi/Reuters
As Muammar Gadaffi's ambassadors and most of Libya's UN mission resign, two air force pilots escape rather than obey orders

Two high-ranking Libyan air force pilots have who fled to Malta in their aircraft are reported to have told officials they escaped rather than carry out orders to bomb civilians.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/21/libya-pilots-flee-to-malta

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So why are you still convinced that the news you pass on is the right news?

I have never said it, I never claimed it, and whether right or wrong is easy enough fro me to discern. That's what we do here (some of us). I'm merely relaying what I see and hear and making my own observations. I'm not so stupid as to believe anything that comes from in front of a camera. In fact if you read back I mention several times that PressTV too often relies on western 'pundits' who in themselves have been discredited in NA.

You make your views very clear when chastising members for their views that don't co-incide with yours, so the concensus is that you do claim your views are right and the other wrong ... I find that you are often stressed and all over the place with your comments, you need to lighten up a little and not let the stress of running this forum get to your impartiality and your sense of humour .. as hard as that is under the circumstances. I value your input to this forum but I (like yourself) do not take kindly to innueno ... If I have something to say I try to say it without ridicule or innuendo ie I try to live up to my signature.

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Gaddafi has been a target for a long time but he remains because 'they' are afraid that it's too soon to pull the same stunt twice (remember Iraq?) in such a small amount of time ... The PTB rely on the premise that "the old die and the young forget" (the reason history always repeats itself). What is forgotten is the fact that Gaddafi won a BLOODLESS coup to become the dictator of Libya and he has (like it or not) done a great deal for his country to bring it into the 21st century ... Sure he's a tyrant and some of his people want more than they have gotten so far, but so do many of our own countrymen in regards to our own situations. In fact we are LOSING our freedoms, and comforts while the Libyans have gained during Gaddafi's rule.

Yeah, sure. That's reason enough to keep him. He takes and gives back a little more than your usual tyrant. As to the PTBs being afraid of another Iraq I've yet to see them quiver over Iraq. They had no problem sending their Saudi minions into Bahrain. Fear of public castigation is the very least of their concerns. In fact they love to do it now because it instills fear in everyone throughout the world.

Once again I have seen interviews with many NA politicians stating their mistake concerning Iraq and that it was a grave mistake on their part, and it is certainly understood by Aussies that Iraq was another 'vietnam' ... The fact that they sent The Saudis into Bahrain (Mulim against Muslim) and are leaving the 'ground' work to 'coalition' forces speaks loudly of their quivering.

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I've been over and over this thread and tried to stay out of commenting hoping that everyone would finally see the 'forest', but alas this thread dominates and other topics are being neglected.

Like what? Bahrain? Syria? Gaza? Japan? Saint (Ron) Paul? Donald Trump. The next fixed election? Hollywood squares? No one is preventing you from posting those 'other' subjects. Please do. This business that someone is restricted here to post is getting old fast. All that's asked is to not derail other peoples posts with one liners about Jews (and no one else) and running threads off the tracks.

If I'm not interested on certain issues you won't hear anything from me on those threads unless someone complains.

I said other topics NEGLECTED, not restricted to post. I have never at anytime felt I couldn't post on any subject I considered worthy of discussion. However your input is important to all of us and tends to draw focus on the topics that ARE of interest to you so wording and attitude is important also.

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The PTB do not have a suitable candidate to take Gaddafi's place.

Which is why they are keeping him in power.

That's what I said. "Better the devil you know than the devil you don't know". And when they find a suitable candidate Gaddafi is toast.

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We're gonna be a rag tag army here soon enough. So was Washington's. I guess if they wear designer jeans then they're acceptable? And this harsher regime... you know that how?

I wasn't referring to their dress, rag tag also means rabble ie rabble rousers ... and Iraq should be lesson enough for an educated guess at the harshness, only in this instance they will hold higher cards to negotiate with ie they were the ones to initiate 'change' and therefore the rightful 'victors', NA and the coalition are merely the 'tools'.

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so that Globalization can 'officially' become a reality. And for that to happen the entire ME must come under Zionist control with a suitable Puppet in every state.

It already is. He is. They all are. The people there are sick of it. They weren't afraid to come out into the streets to protest. They were run over, shot, teargassed, absconded, tortured and God knows what else. All that so they wouldn't have to suffer the same fate at the hands of the noble western military, a military that lives up to the Geneva convention each and every day.

To decide who the rebels are, (sick of it), you have to diferentiate what they are ... Libya is a predominantly Sunni regime with a 1% Shia and a slightly larger proportion around 4% of Kharijites who insist that any Muslim can be a leader of the Muslim community, and has the right to revolt against any ruler who deviates from "their interpretation of Islam". Saddam was a Sunni and at odds with the predominatly shia population, Libya,Tunisia and Egypt have relative small numbers of Shiites.

So there again Religion rears it's ugly head and gives reason for war. But the overriding cause is OIL, and who controls the distribution.

Everyone should watch "Crude" the movie, and everything would become clear as to world conflict and what our future will be.



CRUDE - official trailer (http://vimeo.com/5789312) from Crude The Movie (http://vimeo.com/user2079204) on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com).

http://vimeo.com/5789312

Also the documentary "Crude Impact" that's available as a free doanload off the internet. I have the DVD bought from Amazon.

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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 19, 2011, 03:18:46 PM
You make your views very clear when chastising members for their views that don't co-incide with yours, so the concensus is that you do claim your views are right and the other wrong ...

No, I chastise because assertions have been made that are not backed up with anything other than the presumption that the jews are behind everything, including 'popular revolution', that and one liners that are simply meant to detract and derail.

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Gaddafi may be all that is said about him but that still doesn't justify involving ourselves in his civil war.... "That's the point!"

You really haven't read my comments. I made THAT point in post one or thereabouts. Since then I've shown that everything that follows has been one lie on top of another and that this intervention is to prevent a popular revolution from succeeding not for the ostensible purpose of humanitarian aid or removing Gaddafi. So far the facts bear me out. See above.

As to his tent being hit... woop dee doo... fodder for the cattle. And handed us by a 'Libyan spokesman'. And of course the attacks on Tripoli targeted Gaddafi? No rebels there of course.

Anyway it matters not. Believe NATO spokesman, Western media and Libyan spokesman if you will. Time will tell. Think of me in terms of psychological terms if you like. I'm merely a watchman on the wall. The truth will out eventually. My efforts to reveal is my duty and I've done that. For others it seems that arguing facts with innuendo and presumption is their duty.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 19, 2011, 03:20:28 PM
20 children killed in battle for Misratah

Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:44PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/175729.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/175729.html)

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Children stand at the entrance of a school where their families have sought refuge after fleeing their homes, which are located in a dangerous area of Misratah, on March 30.

The UN says at least 20 children have been killed in the western Libyan city of Misratah during attacks by forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi.

"We have at least 20 verified child deaths and many more injuries due to shrapnel from mortars and tanks and bullet wounds," Reuters quoted Marixie Mercado of the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) as saying in Geneva on Tuesday.

Mercado also said child casualties in Libya are “far worse than feared” and expressed deep concern that the death toll could rise if a ceasefire is not brokered immediately.

Food agencies say the residents of the besieged city of Misratah are in dire need of food, medicine, and other basic necessities while tens of thousands of foreign workers and injured people are waiting at the port to be evacuated.

Meanwhile, the UN says it has reached an agreement with the Libyan government to create a humanitarian corridor for dispatching aid to the long-suffering residents of Misratah.

Amnesty International researcher Donatella Rovera has said there is no electricity in Misratah and water supplies have been cut for weeks.

Life in the city has mostly been confined to the port, where there is more hope of getting food or being evacuated.

Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini says the Libyan conflict has left 10,000 people dead and 55,000 injured.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 19, 2011, 08:45:38 PM
There is no way to rationalize or accept Guantanamo and I find it insulting for you to say that I would or do.  You said: "Violence breeds violence"  No $h^t.  You're a genius LW.

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So, imo., what needs to be done is to make serious examples of them.  Use the Libyan army to its best capibilites and allow the general's to use Guerrilla Warfare at their discretion.  Try to capture as many "rebel's" alive as possible.  Send these captured "rebel's" back to their rag tag treasonous army permanently blinded with amputated limbs.

Your words, not mine. The key is whether you view the revolutionaries as rebels and a threat to their country or a threat to their government. You seem to think it is the latter whereas I take the view it is the former. However I advocate none of your methods for one or the other. You have made your choice. But one way or the other I still abhor what you propose.
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Post by: Zampan0 on April 20, 2011, 03:25:32 AM
Your words, not mine. The key is whether you view the revolutionaries as rebels and a threat to their country or a threat to their government. You seem to think it is the latter whereas I take the view it is the former. However I advocate none of your methods for one or the other. You have made your choice. But one way or the other I still abhor what you propose.

You read my posts and are being disingenuous.  I consider the Lybyan people and their goverment to be one and the same, i.e., fighting paid for "rebel's"  and a coalition -NATO- that would enslave the people.  I said that the government military forces would need to use asymetrical warfare to have any chance at all to save their country from overwhelming odds, which means brutal tactics.

Whether or not you advocate such methods makes no difference.  The tactics that I proposed are now being used by the side with which you at first agreed with and it bothers you.  Now that you have been proven to be wrong,  -please don't try and say that you didn't at first think the "rebel's" were legitimate and wanted Ghadaffi out even if it meant welcoming NATO, because that's exactly what you said at first- you use below the belt tactics against me and probably others that had it right in the first place.

I abhorr violence and find any war to be absurd, but as Plato said; "Only the dead know the end of war".  For you to equate my ideas for ousting an agressor with that of illegal prisons in Guantanamo is rediculous and petty.  I know you won't appologize to me, but you should.
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Post by: bpocatch on April 20, 2011, 03:35:45 AM
lol There was a funny post on zerohedge where a guy said the rebels set up central bank before starting fighting.

Libya all about oil, or central banking?

By Ellen Brown

 Several writers have noted the odd fact that the Libyan rebels took time out from their rebellion in March to create their own central bank - this before they even had a government. Robert Wenzel wrote in the Economic Policy Journal:

 I have never before heard of a central bank being created in just a matter of weeks out of a popular uprising. This suggests we have a bit more than a rag tag bunch of rebels running around and that there are some pretty sophisticated influences.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/nato-running-out-weapons-libya-oil-liberation-campaign

C'mon you fight and you feed THEM.   YOUR will be done.  Make them stop fighting.  8)  ;)
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 20, 2011, 07:49:32 AM
Now that you have been proven to be wrong,  -please don't try and say that you didn't at first think the "rebel's" were legitimate and wanted Ghadaffi out even if it meant welcoming NATO, because that's exactly what you said at first

That's an outright lie. I advocated Washington's view on foreign intervention and made it clear that NATO was just cover for American intervention. Go find it... genius.
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Post by: Jan Robertson on April 20, 2011, 11:14:27 AM
No, I chastise because assertions have been made that are not backed up with anything other than the presumption that the jews are behind everything, including 'popular revolution', that and one liners that are simply meant to detract and derail.

I agree about the Jew issue, and one liners without content that detracts from serious information, but you have come down pretty harshly on some posts ... However I don't envy your position and can empathise with your frustration over lack of 'absorbtion' by those who don't bother to learn what this WW is really all about.

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You really haven't read my comments. I made THAT point in post one or thereabouts. Since then I've shown that everything that follows has been one lie on top of another and that this intervention is to prevent a popular revolution from succeeding not for the ostensible purpose of humanitarian aid or removing Gaddafi. So far the facts bear me out. See above.

Everything about war is a lie (especially humanitarian aid), otherwise they could never maintain the constant attacks and get to make the profits while still destroying the peoples economy... Gaddafi is a distraction only, and he knows it, but that wont save him if they can't get to control his oil.

No the facts don't bear you out on all things, it's too soon for anyone to be correct ... and there is where I differ on this entire subject of war for regime change. That is certainly their percieved agenda, but the entire ME agenda is OIL, while the going is good (if oil really has peaked,or about to, alternative fuel/power will have to be introduced at a great loss of power to the zionist corporations) ... They know the crunch will come if the whole world suddenly wakes up and identifies with the message embedded in CRUDE the movie, and CRUDE IMPACT the doco.

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Anyway it matters not. Believe NATO spokesman, Western media and Libyan spokesman if you will. Time will tell. Think of me in terms of psychological terms if you like. I'm merely a watchman on the wall. The truth will out eventually. My efforts to reveal is my duty and I've done that. For others it seems that arguing facts with innuendo and presumption is their duty.

I don't get my info from one or even two sources, I'm a prolific reader and a collector of political and conspiracy videos/DVDs as well as keeping a sharp eye on ALL forms of media you can't get a balanced view of anything if you refuse to research BOTH sides of the coin ... only then can you compare and note the discrepancies. So your ridiculing of anyone for getting some of the information from MSM is folly.

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Post by: Jan Robertson on April 20, 2011, 11:30:43 AM
I consider the Lybyan people and their goverment to be one and the same, i.e., fighting paid for "rebel's"  and a coalition -NATO- that would enslave the people.  I said that the government military forces would need to use asymetrical warfare to have any chance at all to save their country from overwhelming odds, which means brutal tactics.

Whether or not you advocate such methods makes no difference.  The tactics that I proposed are now being used by the side with which you at first agreed with and it bothers you.  ......

I abhorr violence and find any war to be absurd, but as Plato said; "Only the dead know the end of war".  For you to equate my ideas for ousting an agressor with that of illegal prisons in Guantanamo is rediculous and petty.  I know you won't appologize to me, but you should.

Your idea (asymetrical war?) is what the TPTB want. Do you understand what inhuman means? regardless of HOW you maim a person it is still inhuman and any counter measures other than totally peaceful ones are bound to fail.

If you believe in peace at a price it is not peace. If you want to stop this barbarism learn what war is all about, who instigates it, and why, and then broadcast it loud and clear and spread it to all and sundry. Form your own (peaceful) demonstration group and get out there and protest ... get a voice.

Those videos you provided made me puke and anyone who can advocate like treatment under medical conditions is no better than the rebels. Those who we all oppose (UN, nato et al) use subtle 'persuasion' already in Guantanamo, and internment camps ... just because the treatment doesn't involve flagrant brutality doesn't mean it is not as inhuman ... long term solitary confinement and repetative verbal and mental abuse has been a form ot 'torture' and used by our governments for generations, and look where we are today!!

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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 20, 2011, 09:22:37 PM
...but you have come down pretty harshly on some posts ...

I can name three. The same cadre that has been doing it for years. It had really nothing to do with the current situation in the ME or differing opinions. Just tired of their techniques of disruption and their penchant for making light of murder and mayhem a few times too often.

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No the facts don't bear you out on all things, it's too soon for anyone to be correct ...

I haven't weighed in on all things Mystica... just on what's happened in the ME and only particularly on the short term.

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...but the entire ME agenda is OIL, while the going is good (if oil really has peaked,or about to, alternative fuel/power will have to be introduced at a great loss of power to the zionist corporations) ... They know the crunch will come if the whole world suddenly wakes up and identifies with the message embedded in CRUDE the movie, and CRUDE IMPACT the doco.

Yes and no. Oil has become the central tenet of the PTB control paradigm. It is used to justify their intervention in such places as Libya, not because there is supposedly so little of it but because they don't want more on the market, at least not if it isn't a tap they can control in order to manipulate the price. But as I said it is a means but certainly not the end... that being global hegemony. ANY threat to that is fair game for them, particularly alternative energy.

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I don't get my info from one or even two sources, I'm a prolific reader and a collector of political and conspiracy videos/DVDs as well as keeping a sharp eye on ALL forms of media you can't get a balanced view of anything if you refuse to research BOTH sides of the coin ... only then can you compare and note the discrepancies. So your ridiculing of anyone for getting some of the information from MSM is folly.

Ok, me bad. I tend to swing into generalities and should be clearer on that. I know that you are prolific in your reading and in the extent of material you choose for sourcing your research.
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Post by: Jan Robertson on April 21, 2011, 01:32:51 AM

Yes and no. Oil has become the central tenet of the PTB control paradigm. It is used to justify their intervention in such places as Libya, not because there is supposedly so little of it but because they don't want more on the market, at least not if it isn't a tap they can control in order to manipulate the price. But as I said it is a means but certainly not the end... that being global hegemony. ANY threat to that is fair game for them, particularly alternative energy.

Have you watched any of the doco or movie clips from the info I gave? They may change your mind about their reasons for wanting to own/control it all. They are destroying the earth with their goal for oil and I'm not ruling out that climate change is being hastened by it's use ... I still believe the sun is the real culprit for climate change but there is evidence that CO2 is adding to the sun's effect. There is a lot of evidence also for peak oil, and seeing as it is NOT a finite comoditiy nor is it renewable TPTB want to make as much as they can from something that WILL be replaced with renewable fuel, either from demand from the 'people' or from from a decline of production.

There is lot more to this that is not appropriate on this thread such as what the elite KNOW and the relationship to 2012.

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Ok, me bad. I tend to swing into generalities and should be clearer on that. I know that you are prolific in your reading and in the extent of material you choose for sourcing your research.

No worries LW. I know you're under a lot of pressure and need to vent from time to time, and how hard it is to keep up with all members and all worldly matters. Just keep in mind that many of us can also see through the mistaken views of a few of the members.

But resorting to personal attacks wont cure what's wrong with our planet. Take a big breath and 'breathe' ;)

Namaste


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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 22, 2011, 05:56:48 PM
NATO airstrikes on Libya kill 2: JANA

Sat Apr 23, 2011 12:25AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/176200.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/176200.html)

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NATO airstrikes have killed two southwest of the Libyan capital Tripoli.

Two people have died in NATO airstrikes on the Tripoli area as the stalemate between forces loyal to ruler Muammar Gaddafi and the Libyan revolutionaries continues.

"Civilian sites in the Zenten region (southwest of Tripoli) were targeted this evening by raids of the crusader colonialist aggressor (NATO), killing two and wounding three people,” AFP quoted Libya's JANA news agency as saying late on Friday.

No more details of the incident were reported.

NATO has recently admitted to killing revolutionary fighters and civilians in an airstrike in eastern Libya but has refused to apologize for the deadly bombing.

The Western coalition unleashed a major air campaign against Gaddafi forces on March 19 under a UN mandate to protect the Libyan population.

Dozens of civilians have been killed in Libya since US-led forces launched aerial attacks on the North African country.

Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini says the Libyan conflict has left 10,000 people dead and 55,000 injured.
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Post by: wag on April 22, 2011, 06:09:20 PM
You gotta wonder how much money the jews are paying the snipers.
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Post by: laconas on April 22, 2011, 06:24:56 PM
You gotta wonder how much money the jews are paying the snipers.

Get with the program. If LW says Libya is popular people's revolution, I believe it.
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Post by: wag on April 22, 2011, 06:39:19 PM
Get with the program. If LW says Libya is popular people's revolution, I believe it.

You have to figure that all their top assassins are in Syria now.  The libyan rebels are a rag tag bunch.  Jews sent McCain there as a recruitment ploy.   
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Post by: laconas on April 22, 2011, 07:23:54 PM
You have to figure that all their top assassins are in Syria now.  The libyan rebels are a rag tag bunch.  Jews sent McCain there as a recruitment ploy.   

I do believe the Jew's invasion of Syria has begun with their secret jew trained killers shooting stupid Syrians who have been sucked into the Jew's popular revolution. I guess they can't do that no-fly zone over Syria since Syria has all those SA missiles from Russia.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 23, 2011, 10:52:23 AM
First US drone strikes Libya

Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:9PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/176337.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/176337.html)

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The US Department of Defense has confirmed its first Predator missile strike on Libya amid rising controversy over such attacks in other parts of the world.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates says President Barack Obama has approved the use of armed Predator drones to improve the precision of strikes in Libya.

However, the US military or CIA did not provide any further details. Sources say predators were already being used for intelligence and reconnaissance missions in Libya.

Libya's deputy Foreign Minister Khaled Khaim has recently warned that this would increase civilian casualties.

"They (the drones) will kill more civilians and this is very sad," Khaim said on Friday.

He also added that the use of US predator drones would be a crime against humanity

The US already uses unmanned aircraft to carry out attacks in Pakistan's tribal areas, near the border with Afghanistan. Washington claims the attacks target militants, but most of the victims are civilians.

The United Nations said in a report in 2010 that the US-operated drone strikes in Pakistan pose a growing challenge to the international rule of law.

Philip Alston, UN special envoy on extrajudicial killings, said in a report that the attacks were undermining the rules designed to protect the right of life.

Alston also said he feared that the drone killings by the CIA could develop a "playstation" mentality.

The announcement comes amid persistent clashes between government troops and revolutionary forces.

In the city of Misratah, revolutionaries have claimed victory over troops loyal to embattled ruler Muammar Gaddafi. Tripoli has decided to pull back from the city and leave the tribes in charge of disarming revolutionaries.

Despite this at least 25 people have been killed and another 100 inured in sporadic clashes Saturday.

Government sources say NATO airstrikes on the capital have killed three people.

Meanwhile, hospitals say they are overwhelmed and seriously lack supplies and personnel as patients arrive every few minutes.

LW _ Now they can really pin-point Gaddafi and take him out. Oh Joy. I'll bet that rag-tag army being run by the Zionists will be jumping for joy knowing their salvation is on the way.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 24, 2011, 01:14:55 PM
Gaddafi forces kill dozens in Misratah

Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:16PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/176485.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/176485.html)

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Medics work on an injured man at Hikma hospital in Misratah on April 24, 2011.

At least 36 people have been killed over the past 24 hours in Misratah after forces loyal to embattled ruler Muammar Gaddafi heavily bombarded the western Libyan city.

Explosions and gunfire were heard on Sunday in the city center and three residential areas, revolutionary forces say.

NATO planes have also been seen flying over the coastal city but there has been no sign of airstrikes.

This comes after Libya's revolutionary forces said they had gained the upper hand in Misratah after Gaddafi forces retreated.

However, Libya's deputy foreign minister said government troops had not withdrawn from the city, and instead that they had only halted their operations to let local tribes negotiate with revolutionary forces.

Meanwhile, The Libyan National Transition Council says Gaddafi is playing "dirty games" and trying to divide tribes in the besieged troubled region.

"It is a trick, they didn't go," the council's military spokesman, Colonel Omar Bani, said in Benghazi -- the opposition stronghold.

"They have stayed a bit out of Tripoli Street but they are preparing themselves to attack again."

LW - That no fly zone to save the people from Gaddafi sure is working out well, isn't it?
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 24, 2011, 06:30:30 PM
NATO hits Gaddafi's Tripoli compound

Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:13AM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/176553.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/176553.html)

NATO warplanes operating in Libya have targeted a building inside Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi's compound in the capital Tripoli, witnesses said.

Earlier, several explosions shook the center of Tripoli as NATO fighter jets flew over the city. Signals of Libya's state TV have reportedly cut off after the blasts.

US officials had in the past days urged the NATO to attack Libya's state television in order to cut Gaddafi from the rest of the world, including his own people.

NATO warplanes have in the past days stepped up attacks on Tripoli with the goal of paralyzing Gaddafi's military capabilities but reports say the strikes have also caused civilian casualties.

The main battlefield is still in the western city of Misratah where dozens of people have reportedly been killed in the past hours as Gaddafi forces on Sunday continued shelling the city heavily.

The humanitarian situation in Misratah with the population of over one million has been reported as alarming with many people in dire need of food, water and medical supplies.

Meanwhile, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has called for an immediate ceasefire in Libya, urging that the resolutions made by the UN Security Council should be implemented.

Lavrov has also warned of "unpredictable consequences" as the "extremely risky" military operations by NATO forces and their allies show no sign of abating in the country.
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Post by: Rudi Jan on April 24, 2011, 06:33:50 PM
Heavy explosions shake Libya's capital

Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:46PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/176544.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/176544.html)

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Big explosions have reportedly rocked the center of Libyan capital city of Tripoli as the battle between revolutionary forces and Muammar Gaddafi loyalists intensifies.

The blasts took place at 2210 GMT on Sunday in several parts of Tripoli that has been under intensive fire from NATO fighter jets since Friday, AFP reported.

Signals of Libya's state TV have reportedly cut off after the blasts.

NATO warplanes have in the past days stepped up attacks on Tripoli with the goal of paralyzing Gaddafi's military capabilities but reports say the strikes have also caused civilian casualties.

Senator Lindsey Graham, member of the US Senate Armed Services Committee, has urged the NATO and the Obama administration to bombard Gaddafi's stronghold in Tripoli and "cut the head of the snake off."

However, Republican Senator John McCain, who has newly been to opposition-held city of Benghazi in Libya, has warned against the effectiveness of such a strategy, saying the lives of many civilians will be endangered.

McCain has called on the international community to help arm the revolutionary forces and recognize their newly-established Transitional National Council. He has also asked the NATO to target Libya's television.

The main battlefield is still in the western city of Misratah where dozens of people have reportedly been killed in the past hours as Gaddafi forces on Sunday continued shelling the city heavily.

Libyan Deputy Foreign Minister Khaled Kaim said on Sunday that Gaddafi forces have stopped all attacks on Misratah, but opposition leader Colonel Omar Bani called the move a trick, saying Gaddafi aims at creating divisions among the residents of the city who belong to different tribes.
Title: - - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
Post by: FrontierJustice on April 24, 2011, 11:10:41 PM
At least 36 people have been killed over the past 24 hours in Misratah after forces loyal to embattled ruler Muammar Gaddafi heavily bombarded the western Libyan city. [...]

This comes after Libya's revolutionary forces said they had gained the upper hand in Misratah after Gaddafi forces retreated.

With 'forces loyal to Gaddafi', one should read ='defenders against the criminal assault and invasion of their country'. With 'Libya's revolutionary forces', read = 'agents and pawns of World Jewry'.
Title: - - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
Post by: Rudi Jan on April 25, 2011, 04:37:57 PM
Revolutionaries take control of Misratah

Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:15PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/176688.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/176688.html)

Libya's revolutionary forces say they have pushed troops loyal to embattled Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi out of the besieged western city of Misratah.

The city has been under fire from troops loyal to the defiant leader Muammar Gaddafi.

Witnesses say at least 30 people were killed with dozens of others wounded on Monday, a Press correspondent reported.

Gaddafi loyalists were pushed out of the western city after two months of heavy fighting.

"Clashes took place on the western outskirts, but the rest has been cleaned up. There may be some soldiers hiding in the city, afraid of being killed, but there are no groups of soldiers left,” AFP quoted an opposition leader as saying.

Meanwhile, some reports indicate that rockets and shells were still crashing into the city sporadically.

The developments come as the humanitarian situation in the western city of Misratah with the population of over one million has been reported as alarming.

Many Misratah residents are in dire need of food, water and medical supplies.

Meanwhile, NATO airstrikes have destroyed Gaddafi's office in the capital, Tripoli. Libyan officials say three buildings in Gaddafi's compound were badly damaged.

Several explosions were also heard in the capital early Monday as NATO warplanes roared overhead.

Reports say at least 45 people were wounded and 15 of them were in serious condition.

NATO also targeted the same area in Tripoli late Friday.

Separately, Russia has called for an immediate ceasefire and the implementation of UN Security Council resolutions.

The Libyan premier says Tripoli is after a political solution and is ready to fully observe Security Council resolutions.

Dozens of civilians have also been killed in Libya since the Western military alliance launched its attacks on the North African country.
Title: - - BREAKING NEWS: All hell is breaking loose!!!
Post by: Rudi Jan on April 27, 2011, 11:25:30 AM
Gaddafi forces bombard Libyan town

Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:0PM

source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/177003.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/177003.html)

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Libyan revolutionary forces push a seized vehicle belonging