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Title: * Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 13, 2009, 07:57:00 AM
http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,25475819-948,00.html

May 13, 2009 07:00pm

A PERTH man has been charged under racial vilification laws for allegedly posting anti-Semitic videos on the internet site YouTube.

Maylands man Brendon O'Connell, 38, is seen on film in front of Perth's Bell Tower and at a South Perth supermarket while allegedly making anti-Semitic comments.

Mr O'Connell was charged by the police State Security Investigation Group this afternoon with conduct with intent to incite racial animosity or racist harassment.

The maximum penalty for the offence is 14 years' jail, or fines of up to $24,000.[/b]

Opposition Multicultural Interests spokesman John Hyde - who alerted police, Jewish community leaders and the Ethnic Communities Council of WA about the videos - praised WA Police for using the anti-vilification laws to lay the charges.

"Members of the multicultural community can take comfort in the knowledge that this alleged race hate crime will now go before the courts,'' Mr Hyde said.

It is believed to be the second time a person has been charged under the racial vilification laws, which were introduced by the previous Labor government and were designed to outlaw the publication, distribution or display in oral, written or pictorial form of material that was threatening or abusive and intended to cause hatred or contempt or ridicule.

The videos that got him busted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vuBtKB-_2s&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8XLQlgrPx8&feature=player_embedded

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Ajax on May 13, 2009, 08:09:45 AM
Hello sushigirl, the facts are on Brendons side and hopefully he's allowed to prove it in court.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Benoit on May 13, 2009, 08:11:07 AM
How many threads are there going to be about this news? (this is the third one already :P
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 13, 2009, 08:22:43 AM
Things are getting very serious.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: The_Skunk on May 13, 2009, 08:30:04 AM
Laconas - I hope they come for you next.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 13, 2009, 08:35:21 AM
Best of luck to him.  
It's really too bad he choose to turn his back on those who have always supported the message.
I will follow this and hope he gets an honest judge.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Benoit on May 13, 2009, 08:36:50 AM
...It is believed to be the second time a person has been charged under the racial vilification laws, which were introduced by the previous Labor government...

The first time that happened to was none other than Frederick Toben??? (somebody better check it out and explain the regarding "Aussie rules" to the rest of us: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/05/13/2569170.htm?section=justin
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Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 13, 2009, 08:45:36 AM
Seems like a good venue to hold a rally.  Just keep the kosher Nazis from showing up and stealing all the attention.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 13, 2009, 08:55:59 AM
Hello sushigirl, the facts are on Brendons side and hopefully he's allowed to prove it in court.

The only facts that count for the ADL, are their own. It's a fine line between being too specific. Brendon was long winded and therefore too irritating for the tribe.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 13, 2009, 08:58:59 AM
Good point OldTimes...

We have an interesting history on this board.

Originally there were a core group of pro-zionists who infiltrated this board from other places,  mainly the old Liberty Forum.  We called them the "Orange Crew" and dealt with them properly until they were finally banished.

There have been a couple (gelignite) that were polite enough to continue to survive on this board, but most of the usurpers were ran off....(sealed in a barrel and thrown overboard)  if I remember the label correctly.

Then, the fight turned from the enemy, to differences amongst us, past the known accepted enemy of thew zionist.  

Most everyone here agrees that the actions of the modern zionist jews are an evil to be fought in this world and we post and discuss accordingly.

After a time,  some of the more radical bipolar members felt the need to employ a witchhunt to ferret out any more hiding crypto jews on this board and began to randomly accuse others of being jews (as we are seeing with this walt disney fruitcake)  As the sane members choose to ignore the psychotic outbursts, much more was said and done to "Prove" the enemy amongst us.  It really got silly for awhile until finally the core of the problem was banned here and moved onto the AWE board where they carried on.

A former member here Inri, was personally responsible for inciting Brendon into an unchecked rage against everyone who didn't sign on with him regardless of the facts in the case.

This is an Excellent venue for spreading truth and there are alot of intelligent informed posters who are happy to help with information as needed.

Enjoy!!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 13, 2009, 09:02:26 AM
I was in a hurry, I did not see any threads about the subject...
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 13, 2009, 09:12:23 AM
The judge will probably order Brendon to stop speaking out and if he violates that order he'll be dragged back into the courtroom to face contempt charges.

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Jail for Holocaust denier Toben

Posted Wed May 13, 2009 12:31pm AEST



Fredrick Toben has been sentenced to three months in jail. (ABC News)


A Holocaust denier living in Adelaide has been sentenced to three months in jail after being found guilty of 24 charges of contempt.


It has been seven years since Fredrick Toben was ordered not to publish material vilifying Jewish people on his website.

In 2007 he apologised for breaching the orders and said he would comply.

Last month, Justice Bruce Lander found that since giving that undertaking Toben has disobeyed the ruling a further 24 times.

Justice Lander today ordered the 65-year-old be imprisoned for three months.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/05/13/2569170.htm?section=justin

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 13, 2009, 09:13:55 AM
Glad you brought it up and tried to smear me, Effendi.
You call me 'bi polar' because I ferret Jews almost effortlessly.

Effendi says:

'After a time,  some of the more radical bipolar members felt the need to employ a witchhunt to ferret out any more hiding crypto jews on this board and began to randomly accuse others of being jews (as we are seeing with this walt disney fruitcake)  As the sane members choose to ignore the psychotic outbursts, much more was said and done to "Prove" the enemy amongst us.  It really got silly for awhile until finally the core of the problem was banned here and moved onto the AWE board where they carried on.'



Effendis words on Brendan:

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You are a tool if you think for one minute that crazy fuckball has done anything but harm the cause.
Along with his idiot team America and Inri, the fucking psycho trio has done more to turn people off and away from the truth then they ever have in regards to spreading truth.

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'Get REAL skunky, brendan's a fucking nut job that does your noble crusade much more harm than good.
birds of a feather I guess'......


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You punk ass Christians are way too busy sucking circumcised cock!!

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'Well obviously you have no capacity to think then, if you had bothered to observe his psychosis a couple of months back, there would be no question in your mind.  I've known him for YEARS here there and everywhere, he used to be my friend until he went fucking psychotic 3 months ago and attacked me for no reason with a vengeance, accusing ME of being a punk ass jew.  Now he HAS been removed from the team of the faithful.'


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When brendon took photo's of my friends off the web and photo-shopped them around with skunk styled "jew noses", that was WAY the fuck over the line of decency,  and he deserves whatever little men in white coats come his way.




Ive had 1000 posts Effendi,
Ive had disagreements with a few here, just over minor issues and Ive outed perhaps 2 Jews.
So Put it in your Kosher pipe. 
You call me paranoid, but I call myself Paranormal, as I deal with the Khazars regularly.

You want to be some Kosher savior riding off on a white horse, wearing a Yamalka in place of a cowboy hat but it aint happening, Schlomo. You belong in Madagascar with the rest..
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 13, 2009, 09:43:48 AM
Glad you brought it up and tried to smear me, Effendi.

Sorry joker, but it's your own paranoid rantings that out you as a tool, not anyone else.

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You call me 'bi polar' because I ferret Jews almost effortlessly.

... ;D :D ;D :D./.Effortlessly....kind of like with me right?

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Ive had 1000 posts Effendi,
Ive had disagreements with a few here, just over minor issues and Ive outed perhaps 2 Jews.

lol...and WHO exactly might that have been?

not fantasy's of sugar plum jews dancing in your head, I mean any REAL threat.

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So Put it in your Kosher pipe. 
You call me paranoid, but I call myself Paranormal, as I deal with the Khazars regularly.


The Dictionary defines Paranormal as

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par⋅a⋅nor⋅mal
  
of or pertaining to the claimed occurrence of an event or perception without scientific explanation, as psychokinesis, extrasensory perception, or other purportedly supernatural phenomena.

So is your "outing" of me a example of your extraordinary abilities?... ;D  Because the word fail defines your abilities apparently.

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You want to be some Kosher savior riding off on a white horse, wearing a Yamalka in place of a cowboy hat but it aint happening, Schlomo. You belong in Madagascar with the rest..

Right, because I'm a jew.

You need a straitjacket dude.  No if's ands or butts!!

You are providing a PRIME example of exactly what I was just writing about.

There ARE real jews and REAL threats in this world and possibly even occasionally on this board, but for your 1000 posts, your pretty much still a tool if you have somehow convinced yourself that I am one of them.

If there is anyone with any respect on this board who thinks that, I would feel the need to clarify, but I don't even know who the hell you are, so you are hardly worth the time.

Carry on, everyone is laughing at you.... ;D ;D

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Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: FrankDialogue on May 13, 2009, 09:45:29 AM


(http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/images/arguewitheveryonelogo7.gif)

When 'Awareness Portal' went down I posted a thread at 'AWE Forums' so that posters who went on both sites could exchange information...I did it innocently, because when LibertyForum went off the air without notice, I was kind of left hanging because I enjoyed exchanging views with posters over there, and found the site entertaining and thought provoking...Of corse, a lot of bullshit was posted there also...Anyway, this Brendon ('Quo Todt') and I have exchanged many emails, and he asked me to put him on my 'friends' list at AWE...We agreed on many things...BUT, Brendon didn't think I was committed to a war against the Jews...He then told me he was going to 'expose' me as a fraud...I was surprised by this because what kind of fraud was I supposed to be?...I never claimed to be a 'Jew exposer'...Now, I know a lot about Jews and the 'Jewish psychology' simply because I have been around them since my teen years, and have been married to a Jewish woman...In fact, I never had any real problems with them, except in some instances because of their 'clannishness'...But I live in a city with many ethnic groups, and they are all clans to outsiders...I, myself, am considered strange by many Polish-Americans because of my 'individualistic' views...What I find dangerous about 'Jewry' is the fact that they are so powerful for a tiny minority, and the fact that they have a religious belief that enforces a 'seperation' from the rest of the human race...These two factors are the source of endless problems, because we have allowed them to wield power way out of proportion to their numbers...AND, they control our money!...Now, WHO gives them 'permission' to do this?...Could it be us?...This 'Jewish Question' has been debated for centuries by some of Western civilization's best thinkers and writers...For myself, I have interests other than the 'Jewish Question' and while it is a very important issue, there is more to life and society than Jews...Anyway, here is a reply I made to Brendon about his criticism of my website and me, and then his comeback...'Quo Todt' never really read the essays and articles on my site, or he will see how, from my POV, a strong American president would deal with aspects of the 'question'...Brendon hated this forum, I guess because he was banned for some reason?



Quote from: FrankDialogue
Originally Posted by FrankDialogue
You dismiss me like that?...I expected better...There is an 'Illuminati', who are basically the European 'royal' or 'bloodline' families; they are led by the Rothschilds, who manage their money...The pyramid is their symbol...The 'Cult of the All Seeing Eye'...It is on our dollar bill...If you read a publication like the 'Economist' which is owned by the Rothschilds, and look at the various advertisements for 'financial equity groups' and the like, you will find the pyramid hidden in there somewhere...During the recent college basketball tournament in the US, the NCAA, there were a number of TV ads for 'Fidelity Investments'...When you see the name 'Fidelity' in connection with investment houses or brokerages, this usually means 'Rothschild'...And sure enough, when the 'Fidelity' logo was displayed at the close of the commercial, you saw the pyramid along with the Fidelity logo...This is no joke...There are various interpretations of who the 'Illuminati' are...I gave you mine...For instance, the recent G20 meeting in London was 'Illuminati Theatre'...That was the title of the article on my web site...'Illuminati' are primarily non-Jews who work hand in glove with the Khazars...You have to give them a name for simplicity sake...If I see a Khazar/Jew, I say so...My website is not devoted to 'exposing the Jewish/Khazar agenda', although I spend some time on the subject...It is about 'Amerikan Kulture' that is, the debased/current nature of culture in America...It also is used to feature my essays on various topics...I cover a wide range of subjects, including religion, from my POV...That's all...I list NOLAJBS as a link because I post there...And as far as Alex Jones goes, he is nowhere mentioned in the 'Illuminati Theatre' post...If you would have read further, you would have seen my essay 'Alex Jones Bullshit Artist'........................................... ..Frank D.

J-E-W-S franky

Who do you think started the "Illuminati"? A J-E-W, Adam Weishaupt. Who funded Weishaupt - a J-E-W, Rothschild.

J-E-W franky.

A J-E-W runs Homeland security (Michael Chertoff), not a jesuit.

A J-E-W handles Obama ( Rahm Emmanual), not an illuminist.

A J-E-W handled Mao (Sidney Rittenberg), not a Bilderberger.

A J-E-W is the most powerful advertising/marketing man in the world (Sir Martin Sorrel) not the Pope.

A J-E-W was running the Bolshevik revolution (Leon Bronstein), not a luciferian.

A J-E-W funded the Jewish (first hint) Bolshevick revolution (Schiff/Rothschild), not a Davos attendee.

A J-E-W funded Hitler and continued to fund Stalin (Rothschild/Warberg) not the "elite".

A J-E-W funds the contemporary "democracy" movements (Soros) to prevent the rebuilding of Russia, not the Vatican.

A J-E-W is the foremost leftist intellectual beloved by all who forgot that all the "capitalists" were jewish (Chomsky).

A J-E-W took over and runs Hollywood.

A J-E-W owns and runs t.v the world over.

A J-E-W, a J-E-W, a J-E-W.

Do you get it franky?

__________________
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http://www.youtube.com/user/OrthodoxActivist (http://www.youtube.com/user/OrthodoxActivist)


Watch Me Confront Israeli Mall Kart Intelligence Assets
http://www.vimeo.com/2444686 (http://www.vimeo.com/2444686)


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Now all of the information on 'the question' Brendon supplied in his reply I have been aware of for quite some time...In fact, it is all historical fact, and has been expanded on by many writers...He told me nothing new...And confronting Jewish produce vendors does not address the 'question' in a meaningful way...Now, the videos are a free speech issue, and he needs support on this...But he likes to make 'enemies' of those who would befriend him...He will need a good lawyer, because he has made himself a target...I hope he has some money...

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/lobby/44948-awareness-portal-nolajbs-forum-vanishes-net-3-11-09-7am-88.html (http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/lobby/44948-awareness-portal-nolajbs-forum-vanishes-net-3-11-09-7am-88.html)
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Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 13, 2009, 09:48:56 AM
Now, the videos are a free speech issue, and he needs support on this...But he likes to make 'enemies' of those who would befriend him...He will need a good lawyer, because he has made himself a target...I hope he has some money...

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It could not have been said any better Frank.  Those are my exact thoughts and feelings!!  Thank You!!

Being that the case appears extremely weak, it might simply be their intention to bleed him dry for awhile.  Make an example out of him.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 13, 2009, 09:58:49 AM
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free speech issue
THe Talmudic argument for the Jew is that 'harassment' is not 'free speech'
Forget that the Jew took his photo without permission, baited him and ranted, and Brandon simply offered his opinion of the Khazars religion and Apartheid practices while conversing.

I hope he can get a non Jew judge, move the venue in the real outback, and countersue for Defammation, Slander, Libel and punitive damages relating to distress.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: FrankDialogue on May 13, 2009, 10:05:05 AM

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It could not have been said any better Frank.  Those are my exact thoughts and feelings!!  Thank You!!

Being that the case appears extremely weak, it might simply be their intention to bleed him dry for awhile.  Make an example out of him.

Yeah, put him through the wringer and take some of his money...That's how it works...The challenge facing grass roots activism is that to really confront 'tem' you need some sort of plan, organization and money, and the you have to pick your targets wisely, to generate 'big time' piblicity...Maybe over there, a 'guerilla video attack' on 'certain elements' when they least expect it, like at some social function or cocktail-dinner when they are relaxed, and thinking they are sitting on top of the world...And the purpose should be to embarrass them in front of the people...
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 13, 2009, 10:06:27 AM
Frank..
Brandon is very passionate about this issue. I respect him for that.
He may not be the easiest cat to get along with on some issues and on various level, but I respect his viewpoints. Any views well thought out are always welcome in my book, even if counter.
Discussion is good. Heated discussion is better.
Thinking & debate welcomes dissent.

Effendi..
This is why youre dangerous.
This is why JEWs are dangerous.
Youre neurotic (yet accuse others of same), parnoid, Rabid and Lie as your regular tongue, mixed in with some Yiddish and Kings English.


Jews HATE Christ, and are obsessed with potty talk and sex (Oral/anal) the dirtier the better..
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You punk ass Christians are way too busy sucking circumcised cock!!


You glory in having Brandon removed, as the snake you are. I quite miss him.
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'Well obviously you have no capacity to think then, if you had bothered to observe his psychosis a couple of months back, there would be no question in your mind.  I've known him for YEARS here there and everywhere, he used to be my friend until he went fucking psychotic 3 months ago and attacked me for no reason with a vengeance, accusing ME of being a punk ass jew.  Now he HAS been removed from the team of the faithful.'



Effendi Pimpin Gulags for Dissenters & those that Out Jews or heaven forbid, photoshop their beaks..

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When brendon took photo's of my friends off the web and photo-shopped them around with skunk styled "jew noses", that was WAY the fuck over the line of decency,  and he deserves whatever little men in white coats come his way.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: FrankDialogue on May 13, 2009, 10:11:43 AM
Frank..
Brandon is very passionate about this issue. I respect him for that.
He may not be the easiest cat to get along with on some issues and on various level, but I respect his viewpoints. Any views well thought out are always welcome in my book, even if counter.
Discussion is good. Heated discussion is better.
Thinking & debate welcomes dissent.

Hey, I respect him and his passion...I don't know him personally, just via Internet...He is doing something he believes in, apparently,and now he is in a battle...
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 13, 2009, 10:21:41 AM
Brandon is a big boy and knows the risks and job hazards.

Something tells me we havent seen the last of him and the publicity will be welcomed.
This hopefully will turn into something large...

Lots of fun he could have ie (Call in Media or Videotape it and upload to the Net showing his brilliant moments, Palestinian Headshot children, Facts on Shitzrael, TALMUD, Khazaria, as it relates to his case specifically etc)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 13, 2009, 10:25:20 AM
THe Talmudic argument for the Jew is that 'harassment' is not 'free speech'

Get real dude....Harassment is NOT free speech!!    Witness  the abortion debate in this country.

Even the crazy Christians saying God hates Fags have to stay behind a certain line, you can't run up in a persons face and not consider it harassment.

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Forget that the Jew took his photo without permission, baited him and ranted, and Brandon simply offered his opinion of the Khazars religion and Apartheid practices while conversing.

Um, taking someones picture is not a crime.  From what I saw, Brendon was the one doing the baiting, ranting and harassment.  I did the same thing myself to a kiosk operator in the local mall here at christmas.  They had 4 of their fellow "art students" surround me and rant on, I just returned what I got.  But I initiated it, just like Brendon did.  It's kind of hard to complain that someone is doing something that you yourself do.

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I hope he can get a non Jew judge, move the venue in the real outback, and countersue for Defammation, Slander, Libel and punitive damages relating to distress.

Wake up dude, your in a fantasy world if you think there is anyplace to run to and hide.  The zionists have deep pockets, if they don't ruin him to start with, they will find a way to break him and shut him up.

I also hope he comes away from this in one piece, but imagining how you perceive the case has no bearing.  Reality will be what he is tried on.  And reality has him chasing those two jewish kids for half a mile, that constitutes harassment, like it or not.  I'm surprised the police weren't called, they would have been in this country.

What's going to screw Brendon is his open threats to the kids, I'm telling you with firsthand knowledge that it's the threats they come after you about.  He probably should not have threatened the kid like he did, that's what will get him time.

Best of luck all the same!!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 13, 2009, 10:25:34 AM
Points well taken Effendi,
I'm glad a forum like this exists, and amazed it has continued to exist and supply intelligent discourse without any j-w infiltration (that I can currently see).  We've got a really good thing going here, and I like the way it's set up technically to achieve that.

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Then, the fight turned from the enemy, to differences amongst us

This is a problem though.  Until we, as gentiles, can work together despite our differences, we'll always be 2nd-fiddle to the jews who do this naturally.  And even though we might be better, physically and intellectually, we cannot deserve to champion over them on this Earth if we cannot overcome that, nor will we ever have justice.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 13, 2009, 10:37:12 AM
Effendi..
Youre Shameless. Really. Dont Khazars have their own forums?

Brandon never harassed the Jew, we know what is and is not real harassment.
Brandon was polite, allowed him to speak and them addressed him, his beliefs and his Satanic religion

The Jew Omnipotence is becoming less of a force. They hang on by a thread, hated by the world more everyday and outed more so everyday.
Recent Bostom Globe Poll shows 1/3 of Bostonians BLAME the Jews for the crisis we are in, and this includes Jews also included In the Poll!
PRIDE COMES BEFORE A FALL.

Jews love to over exaggerate. Check these out from Effeminate:

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Reality will be what he is tried on. 
And reality has him chasing those two jewish kids for half a mile, that constitutes harassment, like it or not.  I'm surprised the police weren't called, they would have been in this country.
Half a Mile
It Looked like 150 feet to me, maybe a city block at best.

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What's going to screw Brendon is his open threats to the kids, I'm telling you with firsthand knowledge that it's the threats they come after you about.  He probably should not have threatened the kid like he did, that's what will get him time.
Threatened?   
He simply Warned them not to touch his camera, after they tried to slap it from his hands & destroy it.

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From what I saw, Brendon was the one doing the baiting, ranting and harassment

Oy Vey. Protect the Synagogue..
The Khazars spoke for most of that video in the confrontation. Ive not timed it but would be happy to.
Brandon was kind, polite, articulate, non interuptive & more congenial than I would be.
I never saw him bait, not once. He inquired about the TALMUD & Jewish Teachings. Old Testament Massacres sanctioned by Judaism etc.

You call this Hate Speech because Jews HATE the Truth.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 13, 2009, 10:55:21 AM
Points taken Effendi,
I'm glad a forum like this exists, and amazed it has continued to exist and supply intelligent discourse without any j-w infiltration (that I can currently see).  We've got a really good thing going here, and I like the way it's set up technically to achieve that.

Yea there are a handful of people to thank for that.  The administrator and initiator of the board Nolajbs has always had a square head on his shoulders and he sounded himself with Lonewolf, tomtomklub and some of the other cream of the crop moderators to keep the place clean.   They keep a very close eye on who is saying what and do NOT have a policy to ban jews per say.  It's the level of discourse at which one operates that determines their status.

We have had one serious agent provocateur (gelignite) here for a very long time.  He openly supports the jewish position on most issues but does so in a polite way that won't get him banned.  I have worked myself into a frenzy for his consistent lies regarding the USS Liberty and his constant support of the Killing of American servicemen by the israeli's in 1967.  He still swears that he believes it was all a misunderstanding and no proof will sway him otherwise, yet he still remains.  Yea these guys run a tight ship but try to be fair about it.

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This is a problem though.  Until we, as gentiles, can work together despite our differences, we'll always be 2nd-fiddle to the jews who do this naturally.

Well put, the ONLY thing I can observe that sets the jew above the gentile is this unswerving alliance to each other as a people. 

There are WAY too many really stupid goyim who are happy to feast on their own at convenience.   


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 And even though we might be better, physically and intellectually, we cannot deserve to be the champions on this Earth if we cannot overcome that, nor will we ever have justice.

You are absolutely right.  It's our own infighting that gives them the strength to prevail over us so often in regards to laws and instituting their practices to us.

A good example is this stupid flap over christmas.  It is Unfathomable to me that a religion that consists of less than 2% of the population has enough power to force aside a christmas tree unless we also present a menorah, what is up with that?

As Americans of ALL faiths, we should have put our foot down and said this.

"Although the Christmas tree is a religious symbol to Christians, it is also a cultural celebration of ALL Americans including those who do not practice a religion.  Therefore it should NOT be considered a religious symbol as the menorah is."
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 13, 2009, 10:58:50 AM
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What's going to screw Brendon is his open threats to the kids

These 'kids' took his picture while he was protesting the Israeli fruit.  That picture-taking we all know was the real threat here.  For the rest of it I agree Brendon was a little too long-winded, maybe said a little too much, maybe pursued them a little too far and for too long... but that's a judgement call opinion.  I didn't see anything that could reasonably be considered a threat (maybe unreasonably - we shall see).

This Brendon guy seems like a good character.  Too bad he was banned.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 13, 2009, 11:08:22 AM
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There are WAY too many really stupid goyim who are happy to feast on their own at convenience.

Agreed.  This is what the goal is of the agent provocateurs.  We all must rise above it.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 13, 2009, 11:14:50 AM
Effendi..
Youre Shameless. Really. Dont Khazars have their own forums?

I'm sure they do grand master jew hunter.  In your vast experience in outing them, don't you have a clue where they go?  I don't!!

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Brandon never harassed the Jew, we know what is and is not real harassment.

Tell it to the judge, repeating your opinion to yourself ad nuaseam won't change reality in the least bit.

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Brandon was polite, allowed him to speak and them addressed him, his beliefs and his Satanic religion

Excellent counselor, cross examination.  Did the two minors involved consent to discuss this issue with him?

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The Jew Omnipotence is becoming less of a force. They hang on by a thread, hated by the world more everyday and outed more so everyday.

It sure wouldn't appear that way from this report.  Don't be a fool, the forces of evil grow stronger daily.  Only an idiot would perceive them as losing power in this world.

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Recent Bostom Globe Poll shows 1/3 of Bostonians BLAME the Jews for the crisis we are in, and this includes Jews also included In the Poll!
PRIDE COMES BEFORE A FALL.

That's a great statistic dude, now weigh that against the HALF of all American legislators bowing at the feet of AIPAC last week.
Somehow 1/3 of Boston appears to mean nothing.

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Jews love to over exaggerate. Check these out from Effeminate:

Really?...lol... :D :D...is that the very best you can do, rearrange the letter sin my name in an attempt to offend me?  That requires respect before I take offense to your blathering.

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Half a Mile
It Looked like 150 feet to me, maybe a city block at best.

Really?   Is that the best defense you could present to the Judge when the point is made?  Lets hope Brendon has a much better lawyer than you.

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Threatened?   
He warned them not to touch his camera, after they tried to slap it from his hands & destroy it.

Yes, AS he was chasing them down the street.  A half decent lawyer could acquit the two if they HAD assaulted Brendon just on the basis of self protection.  If someone is chasing me down a street and I assault them, the argument can safely be made that had they not chased me, they wouldn't have got knocked out.  

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Oy Vey. Protect the Synagogue..

Call it what you want to.  A normal working mind with any familiarity to a court of law will agree that I'm simply presenting what will be presented on the behalf of the two jewish kids should it ever come to that.

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The Khazars spoke for most of that video in the confrontation. Ive not timed it but would be happy to.

The khazars?...lol.   They were frightened kids.  that is how ANY court will view that video.

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Brandon was kind, polite, articulate, non interuptive & more congenial than I would be.

As he chased them down the street...and you would be in jail right next to him.  

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I never saw him bait, not once. He inquired about the TALMUD & Jewish Teachings. Old Testament Massacres sanctioned by Judaism etc.

Yes to relatively uneducated kids with barely a clue as to what he was talking about.
If he was a real brave man, he would have confronted an Adult.

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You call this Hate Speech because Jews HATE the Truth.

NO it's not hate speech, everything Brendon said was true, it was who he approached and his intent that is going to put him away.

If you are not old enough and mature enough to see both sides, you never have a chance of winning any battle ever in this fight.

You carry on with what is working for you though, what does this jew know....right?..... ;D ;D

..
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: amalgamy on May 13, 2009, 11:18:03 AM
Things are getting very serious.

FIRST FRUITS...more Kabbalah Jew Majick.

Wayne Madsen report August 18, 2008 -- NSA continues surveillance of journalists; WMR editor subject of espionage investigation  ...   On May 10, 2005, WMR reported on the existence of a highly-classified database at the National Security Agency (NSA), formerly code-named "FIRSTFRUITS," that monitored journalists who reported on the activities of the eavesdropping agency, as well as other intelligence matters. A few weeks later, according to an executive-level source at the NSA, and confirmed by a related source within NSA's "Q" Directorate, the Directorate for Security and Counterintelligence, this editor has been a subject of a national security investigation since June 2005 that remains ongoing. The investigation of this editor is classified at the level SECRET/COMINT (NOFORN). COMINT is "Communications Intelligence" and NOFORN denotes "Not Releasable to Foreign Nationals/Governments/Non-US Citizens."     ...    According to National Security Agency/Central Security Service Policy 1-27, dated March 20, 2006 and signed by NSA Chief of Staff Deborah Bonanni, the investigation of the public disclosure of the unconstitutional and illegal FIRSTFRUITS surveillance system would be coordinated by the NSA, Department of Defense, Director of National Intelligence, and the Department of Justice.

We have learned from an executive level NSA source linked to NSA Security that when NSA's Security Directorate first began investigating the disclosure of the agency's FIRSTFRUITS journalist surveillance database, an NSA security officer said of the journalists contained in the database, "We should just kill them all." The journalists who were then the subject of the database were, in addition to this editor, Bill Gertz, James Bamford, Vernon Loeb, Jim Risen, Dr. John C. K. Daly, and Seymour Hersh.   
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 13, 2009, 11:23:07 AM
These 'kids' took his picture while he was protesting the Israeli fruit.

Brendon may not like it, but taking a picture in a public place is NOT against the law, chasing someone down the street harassing them "might" be.

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 That picture-taking we all know was the real threat here.  For the rest of it I agree Brendon was a little too long-winded, maybe said a little too much, maybe pursued them a little too far and for too long... but that's a judgement call opinion.  I didn't see anything that could reasonably be considered a threat (maybe unreasonably - we shall see).

Well the picture taking is seemingly the basis of the confrontation yes.   I agree with your points here.

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This Brendon guy seems like a good character.  Too bad he was banned.

He is actually.  He and I are friends from years back.  I am a mouthy fucker just like him and he supported me when the Department of Homeland security tagged me HERE for saying that "The best thing that could happen to the 2006 AIPAC convention was a tactical nuke.  It would take out 5,000 of the worst traitors to America."  They came after me for that comment.

I don't even really know what the hell happened to him, but he KNOWS we are on the same side and always have been.  It all boils back to that immature infighting we were talking about that weakens our resolve.

Other than that, Brendons message is golden, I just fear for his tactic.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 13, 2009, 11:31:35 AM
Things are getting very serious.

They have a whole industry to protect.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 13, 2009, 11:40:45 AM
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Other than that, Brendons message is golden, I just fear for his tactic.

I think probably nothing but good will come out of this, as long as Brendon can overcome the charge of 'harrassment' (wouldn't that then be a civil case?).  What happens once you run out of money in Australia on a civil case?  Brendon will hopefully be back on the street before too long and can have this chance to refine his tactics, like Skunk says.

He could also come to the USA, too!  Gathering support here might be easier now than trying to do so in Perth, Australia.

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"The best thing that could happen to the 2006 AIPAC convention was a tactical nuke.  It would take out 5,000 of the worst traitors to America."  They came after me for that comment.

Wow!  I can see why!
It's all good though.  Enough of us are out there preaching what a nuke scenario would really mean that it is helping deter it from actually happening.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: FrankDialogue on May 13, 2009, 11:41:57 AM
(http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/australia/_derived/map.htm_txt_australia-map.gif)

You know what I find curious?...And I'm not trying to be 'conspiritorial' or anything...Seems like there are quite a few Australian posters on this forum and AWE...What gives in Australia?...I don't know much about it...I used to visit a website, i think called the 'I-75 Bar' that was Australian, and it was evoted to music from Detroit, Michigan, you know Iggy Pop, the Stooges, MC5 etc...I listen to the Australian Broadcasting Corporation on shortwave, and it is probably the most boring of all the national broadcasting services (BBC, Voice of Russia, Radio China International); the political talk is unlistenable, the Australian politicians being the most inbred group of 'elites' imaginable...Absolutely nothing controversial at all on ABC...Maybe that's why Australians seek controversy on American forums...I live in Philadelphia, 'Cradle of Liberty', Declaration of Independence signed here...It is a hard assed 'blue collar' town for the most part: 50% Black, still some large enclaves of ethnic Whites, mostly Catholic, and a large influx of Dominicans, Latinos, Mexicans and Asians...The Whites fight for their economic lives here...Jews?...Most middle class Jews moved out when the Blacks began moving into their neighborhoods in the 70s, but the 'big Jews' 'own' the City: COMCAST (Roberts family, Russian Jews), SPECTACOR (Ed Snyder family, decent Jews, throwback to before the Jew pimps took over the economy), Philadelphia Eagles (Jeffrey Lurie, obnoxious and arrogant)...Jews still big in local politics, but mostly through Governor Ed Rendell, who is decent, Roman Catholic wife...The Freemasons have produced the last 4 mayors: Wilson Goode, Rendell, John Street, Michael Nutter...The Blacks are in the Prince Hall Lodge, Rendell belongs to the all white PA Grand Lodge...Anyway, how many posters here actually live in the USA?...I mean Australia would seem like a beautiful spot, physically, and it seems like you make money down there...And, you get some interesting 'multi-culturalism, from Asia and what not, but you are not overun with illegals like we are in the US...Like I said, scumbag 'piggies' in the leadership, nothing special about that, but isn't life pretty good down there?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 13, 2009, 11:48:26 AM
I think most of the posters here live in the states and in Canada.  Lonewolf and Sushi are North of the border and this site was started from New Orleans area.

There are a few from Europe, but I think most of the posters are Stateside or at least ex-pats.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 13, 2009, 12:05:00 PM
Best of luck to him.  
It's really too bad he choose to turn his back on those who have always supported the message.
I will follow this and hope he gets an honest judge.

I wish him luck too, that goes without saying. I don't know what got into him, whatever it was that
brought on his rage here. Maybe frustration?

I don't think the judicial system is any different in Australia than it is here (Canada) or in Europe.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 13, 2009, 12:13:56 PM
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What gives in Australia?...

There is a small but vocal Traditionalist Christian group...in Perth and in the other cities..Melbourne, Sydney.  I know quite a few actually, great people.

Hutton Gibson, Fred Tobben et al are examples of those that have written about Jewry for decades.

Australia is now even more secular than the USA (Jew World Order) and some have written off as a lost cause.
Jews got to them in a big way.  (Porn, Booze, Sex, Partying, Gun laws order of the day) Modesty is gone. Worship of GOD is gone.

Only 20-30 million people and continent the size of USA, but they are worse off here as far as Jew World Order JWO is concerned,  unless something is done asap.



Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: wag on May 13, 2009, 12:45:41 PM
Me, I'm going to start loving jews just to be safe.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 13, 2009, 01:00:30 PM
Brendon has the world stage to deliver his message. The J-ws' goal is to make him look like a nazi hitler racist nut. His goal should be to keep his message simple and appear sane.

Hopefully he has some net savvy friends who will document the day to day activies of the trial and the people who are after him.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 13, 2009, 01:22:29 PM
Agreed Laconas.

I think the old addage of 'there is safety in numbers' also applies to Brandons video.

Had he accompanied 5+ like minded people with him in the video, & not used his real name etc....

I dont think it wouldve turned out as it did for him.

Be Smart people. Like Jews. 

Pretend to love them & their ways and blend, just as they do. 

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 13, 2009, 01:27:03 PM
The first time that happened to was none other than Frederick Toben??? (somebody better check it out and explain the regarding "Aussie rules" to the rest of us: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/05/13/2569170.htm?section=justin


Yes of course. :-)) Sorry I misunderstood.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: SlackerSlayer on May 13, 2009, 01:27:36 PM
THe Talmudic argument for the Jew is that 'harassment' is not 'free speech'
Forget that the Jew took his photo without permission, baited him and ranted, and Brandon simply offered his opinion of the Khazars religion and Apartheid practices while conversing.

I hope he can get a non Jew judge, move the venue in the real outback, and countersue for Defammation, Slander, Libel and punitive damages relating to distress.

IF he gets stuck WITH a jewish judge, the concept of a "fair trial" in austrailia is a fable a fiction, a fraud. They do have 'recursal' rules there correct?


We shall see how they play.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 13, 2009, 01:35:40 PM
J-ws control the courts and in this case they can put him away for up to 14 years if he doesn't apologize and bow to the alter of satan, etc...

Brendon wasting away in prison for years and years doesn't do his message or himself any good.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: The_Skunk on May 13, 2009, 03:03:14 PM
Brendon should avoid prison at all costs. He should sue the two jew kids because in his video he says they pushed him.

There were roughly 100 canadian citizens in gaza when the jews attacked 3 months ago. The canadian muslims begged the PM to save them and he refused saying the arabs started it.

Canada and Australia are odd because the people are pioneer types, but they allow jews to control the countries
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: wag on May 13, 2009, 03:58:09 PM
Brendon has the world stage to deliver his message. The J-ws' goal is to make him look like a nazi hitler racist nut. His goal should be to keep his message simple and appear sane.

Hopefully he has some net savvy friends who will document the day to day activies of the trial and the people who are after him.

I hope he knows that he has the jews on trial now, and not they him.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: wag on May 13, 2009, 04:06:44 PM
pioneer types, but they allow jews to control the countries

While pioneer types are pioneering, pioneer jews are too.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 13, 2009, 04:37:30 PM
So apparently Brendon is being held in Perth right now, and we shall see if they actually keep him.

I felt the need to send him the following message

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I want you to know that despite all the crap at Nolajbs, you are speaking OUR language and we support you as needed.

What makes the jew strong is his alliance towards each other, it is also what makes us weak when we fight amongst ourselves.

"Wag" over there said:

"I hope he knows that he has the jews on trial now, and not they him."

and I wanted to make sure you hear the things you need to hear. 

Be Strong, Be Careful and Be prepared for the biggest audience you could have hoped for.

Good luck man!!

Scott!!

Who knows if he will get it but he needs to hear these things that people who support his position say.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 13, 2009, 04:59:29 PM
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I hope he knows that he has the jews on trial now, and not they him.

All the J-ws want is for him to shut-up. Brendon going to jail doesn't do Brendon or the J-ws any good. If B goes to jail it will just create an underground movement that J-ws will find hard to keep track of.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 13, 2009, 05:11:17 PM
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Brendon should avoid prison at all costs. He should sue the two jew kids because in his video he says they pushed him.

There were roughly 100 canadian citizens in gaza when the jews attacked 3 months ago. The canadian muslims begged the PM to save them and he refused saying the arabs started it.

Canada and Australia are odd because the people are pioneer types, but they allow jews to control the countries

The J-ws didn't get a victory when they tried to jail the Indian Chief in Canada. And the verdict is still up in air whether they'll squash an Irish guy in Oz(Oz is something like 60%+ Irish).

This issue here is free speech. Hopefully this opens up a can a worms where the issue of free speech and how J-ws are working to supress it enters the public square.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: wag on May 13, 2009, 05:49:24 PM
All the J-ws want is for him to shut-up. Brendon going to jail doesn't do Brendon or the J-ws any good. If B goes to jail it will just create an underground movement that J-ws will find hard to keep track of.

Jews are dumb.  They think they can dig themselves out of the hole.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 13, 2009, 05:53:42 PM
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There is a small but vocal Traditionalist Christian group...in Perth and in the other cities..Melbourne, Sydney.  I know quite a few actually, great people.

I lived in Perth years ago. The people we met were great, most hospitable, pleasantly casual. After 30 years I am still in touch with one couple. Hubby is a well-to-do real estate agent/developer in WA., in fact, he proudly showed us a picture sitting at the same table with PM Howard.

We met two years ago right here - after all those years it took only 5 minutes to pick up where we had left off. I carefully threw out a few 'crumbs'...nothing came from that. As sweet and kind as my dear old friends are, politically they are absolutely clueless. This does not mean that others are not more awake...

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Hutton Gibson, Fred Tobben et al are examples of those that have written about Jewry for decades.

Yes, and most of us are aware of them and their struggles against those who oppress us.

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Australia is now even more secular than the USA (Jew World Order) and some have written off as a lost cause.

Jews got to them in a big way.  (Porn, Booze, Sex, Partying, Gun laws order of the day) Modesty is gone. Worship of GOD is gone.

When we moved to Australia in 1969, we boarded the Oriana for this 22 day voyage. There were more than just a few chosen moving down under. We talked to several and some sat at our table. Naturally one discussed all kinds of things of general interest (no politics). Interestingly a few of them were quite keen on buying a book store and newspaper agency and other ventures, none of which included bricklaying... They were dreaming of their own business. ~ Nor did I even once have any negative thoughts whatsoever.

Indeed, nothing remains the same....

I cannot speak for the rest of the Aussies, I have no doubt that many have seen the light. Among our  group participating here from Australia are: Mystica, Blackveil, Coburg, Rottenjohnh, Leo_lunatic (?) Whiteaglesoaring (rarely) - (an American who had lived in Adelaide at the time). Also to mind comes LeoBraun (a good Jew) who was on LF.

Strawman re-discovered him, we both touched base with him and invited him to join us here, but he is too busy fighting the tribe over there. I may post an excerpt later. He is good!

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Only 20-30 million people and continent the size of USA, but they are worse off here as far as Jew World Order JWO is concerned, unless something is done asap.

We shall see...

Back to Brendon ~ He started out quite well, I thought and I viewed it with interest. But then he blew it with non-stop hysterics, practically hounding these two young men and decidedly overplayed his hand, which is of course what the ADL would be hoping for.

There is a distinct possibility that these young guys could have even been the bait. Think about it.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 13, 2009, 06:04:57 PM
Me, I'm going to start loving jews just to be safe.

Chicken....  :P
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 13, 2009, 06:06:52 PM
Brendon has the world stage to deliver his message. The J-ws' goal is to make him look like a nazi hitler racist nut. His goal should be to keep his message simple and appear sane.

My sentiments entirely...
Title: In Australia
Post by: BlackVeil on May 13, 2009, 06:11:34 PM
We met two years ago right here - after all those years it took only 5 minutes to pick up where we had left off. I carefully threw out a few 'crumbs'...nothing came from that. As sweet and kind as my dear old friends are, politically they are absolutely clueless.

This is typical in Australia. Very nice people lacking in the solid information they need to see the realities of politics.

That is why we are stuck in Afghanistan - got suckered into it.

But among my friends, I have seen people turn around. Two Australian Catholic priests went over to the Holy Land, to minister to the communities there, and got a real wake up call.

They returned bitterly anti-Israel. They saw the truth - close up.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: The_Skunk on May 13, 2009, 06:13:51 PM
What no one grasps is that Jews aren't brillant, but they are organized.

Bringing the canadian indian chief up on charges was stupid - they get away with it because we are fat and lazy.

http://judicial-inc.biz/811a_75_year_old_canadian_indian_is.htm
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 13, 2009, 06:27:33 PM
The J-ws didn't win anything by putting Ahenakew on trial. In the end, the trial woke-up a lot of people about what J-ws do.


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    He Saw Jewish Insanity First Hand

    Ahenakew recalled for the court how he was peacekeeping in the Gaza Strip, the coastal piece of land bordering Egypt and Israel, in 1964 and trying to maintain fences where landmines were killing children. He told the judge he saw the Israelis kept taking down the fences.

    "I thought it was despicable. I thought it was cruel. The Jews can be animals."


(http://judicial-inc.biz/811a_716.jpg)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 13, 2009, 06:55:56 PM
We can all see who the joker is.  Why get involved?  It's stressful and goes nowhere at lightning speed.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 13, 2009, 07:09:47 PM
The J-ws plan to go after Brendon's money and make him a slave to the J-ws for the rest of his life.



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Updates (Israel time; most recent at top)

11:00PM: Here`s News.com.au on Brendon O`Connell`s arrest:

    A Man who allegedly posted anti-semitic videos on the website YouTube has been charged with attempting to incite racial animosity and racial harassment.

    Police said the 39-year-old Perth man is only the second person to be charged under racial vilification laws introduced by Western Australia`s previous Labor Government four years ago.

    A police spokesman said the man had been bailed ahead of a court appearance on the charge, which carries a maximum penalty of 14 years` jail.

    He is understood to have been arrested by officers from WA`s intelligence investigation unit yesterday, after posting video of himself making anti-Semitic comments in front of Perth`s Bell Tower and a South Perth supermarket.

    Western Australia`s racial vilification laws took effect in May 2005 after white supremacists had carried out a number of attacks in Perth.

    `”-

    The charging of the Perth man in connection with the anti-semitic video has been welcomed by Perth`s Jewish community, estimated to number about 9000.

    Keith Shilkin, president of the WA Jewish Community Council, said the video had `swept through the community, causing great concern`.

    `Children at the Carmel Jewish day school have had counselling sessions but we have had close liaisons with the police, who became quickly aware of the situation,` Mr Shilkin told the israelforum.com website.

    `The man has been a serial pest but the community was not overtly aware of him.`

    The israelforum website, known as J-Wire, said the man, who was `very articulate`, had taken video of a demonstration by Friends of Palestine outside an IGA supermarket in South Perth which sold Israeli jaffa oranges.

    `(The man) told his viewers that he was hoping to find some Jews at the scene and he did. He videoed himself harassing two young Jewish men and creating an argumentative situation,` J-Wire said.

    The West Australian website said the video carried the remarks: `I head up to Parliament House to ask how it is Jewish supremacism has continued unabated for 250 years to the point where to speak of it warrants abuse, threats, job loss and even jail for those that dare question the new religion of holocaustianity.`

    J-Wire said the leader of Friends of Palestine had distanced the group from the video and its maker.

    `Shilkin told J-Wire that whereas the Friends of Palestine had been very outspoken on their views of Israel and its politics, they had not entered into any anti-Jewish propaganda and had been of no trouble to the local community,` it said.

I ask that my readers from the Perth Jewish community (you know who you are) please raise the important point to the authorities that O`Connell admitted to battery on the video I posted last week (now taken offline). They should not rely solely on racial vilification.

I would also suggest the young man who was hit by O`Connell come forward and report this battery if he hasn`t already.



http://www.globalpost.com/webblog/israel-and-palestine/the-day-israel-wed-may-13th-2009 (http://www.globalpost.com/webblog/israel-and-palestine/the-day-israel-wed-may-13th-2009)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 13, 2009, 07:10:14 PM
The J-ws didn't win anything by putting Ahenakew on trial. In the end, the trial woke-up a lot of people about what J-ws do.

Especially since there were already doubts about 9/11 (and the powers behind it) his case was closely watched here and has quite likely been an eye-opener for many.

Judge finds Ahenakew not guilty in 2nd hate trial
February 23, 2009
(http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2009/02/23/sk-ahenakew(2)090223.jpg)  Saying he was glad the case is over, David Ahenakew spoke briefly with reporters outside the Saskatoon provincial courthouse on Monday.

Provincial court Judge Wilfrid Tucker handed down his decision in Saskatoon Monday in Ahenakew's second trial on the charge. The judge said the Crown did not prove that Ahenakew had the intent necessary for a conviction.

He called Ahenakew's comments "revolting, disgusting and untrue," however.

A gasp could be heard in the courtroom as the judge read out the conclusion to his decision. One person could be heard clapping.

"Thank God it's over, and I mean that," Ahenakew told reporters as he left the courthouse. "It's been awful."

Ahenakew was charged after making remarks about Jews during a public speech and subsequent interview with a newspaper reporter in December, 2002.

After his first trial, Ahenakew was convicted of wilfully promoting hatred and fined, but in 2006 the Court of Queen's Bench set aside the conviction and ordered a new trial.

Last fall, Ahenakew, now 75, was tried again.

The Crown's case was that Ahenakew violated Canada's hate legislation during a speech to an FSIN conference about health consent forms and in an interview with Saskatoon StarPhoenix reporter James Parker that immediately followed, in which Ahenakew called Jews a "disease" that started the Second World War.

(http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2009/02/23/sk-christie-doug090223.jpg)  David Ahenakew's lawyer Doug Christie said he hopes Monday's court decision marks the end of the case.  (Kevin O'Connor/CBC)

During his testimony, Ahenakew claimed that Parker got him into an argumentative interview. [*** good baiting example!]

Tucker said in his ruling Monday that the reporter did nothing wrong. However, the fact that Ahenakew had said "I'm not going to argue with you about Jews" and began to walk away from the interview was not consistent with someone seeking to promote hatred, he said.

More here: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/story/2009/02/23/ahenakew.html
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 13, 2009, 07:12:41 PM
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But among my friends, I have seen people turn around. Two Australian Catholic priests went over to the Holy Land, to minister to the communities there, and got a real wake up call.

Same here BV..... among mine and some almost.

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They returned bitterly anti-Israel. They saw the truth - close up.

Nothing can beat personal experiences.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 13, 2009, 07:23:39 PM
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Carmel Jewish day school have had counseling sessions....


Oh.  :o    When they vaporized the Gazan children, did they rejoice or did they shed tears?
Or, did they even know about it???
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: thomaspain on May 13, 2009, 07:27:38 PM
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Me, I'm going to start loving jews just to be safe.

It might not be advisable. They are opposed to assimilation, but strangely, not against miscegenation.




We keep coming back to the following quote but there is no other that better describes the awakening and the resultant backlash we are currently witnessing:

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."
.....................................................joeschmuck- LF




I LOVE MY COUNTRY, BUT I FEAR MY GOVERNMENT


Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 13, 2009, 07:35:40 PM
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During his testimony, Ahenakew claimed that Parker got him into an argumentative interview. [*** good baiting example!]

Tucker said in his ruling Monday that the reporter did nothing wrong. However, the fact that Ahenakew had said "I'm not going to argue with you about Jews" and began to walk away from the interview was not consistent with someone seeking to promote hatred, he said.

If I were B, I would read everything I could about how Ahenakew handled himself. B has a big advantage over A cause he can keep a cheap cassette recorder in his pocket and post all the transcripts of the badgering by j-w reporters on-line for the whole world to see.

Of course, if he starts winning the media game, the J-ws might shoot him. :-\
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 13, 2009, 07:42:46 PM
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...What I find dangerous about 'Jewry' is the fact that they are so powerful for a tiny minority, and the fact that they have a religious belief that enforces a 'separation' from the rest of the human race...These two factors are the source of endless problems, because we have allowed them to wield power way out of proportion to their numbers...AND, they control our money!...Now, WHO gives them 'permission' to do this?...Could it be us?...

Nothing personal intended. When anyone tells us to turn the other cheek, should we not have checked into this a little closer?

Yes, WE made it possible.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 13, 2009, 07:53:09 PM
If I were B, I would read everything I could about how Ahenakew handled himself. B has a big advantage over A cause he can keep a cheap cassette recorder in his pocket and post all the transcripts of the badgering by j-w reporters on-line for the whole world to see.

Of course, if he starts winning the media game, the J-ws might shoot him. :-\

That's a distinct possibility and it would not be the first time. Perhaps Brendon can find a Doug Christie
type in Perth.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: thomaspain on May 13, 2009, 08:01:56 PM
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The Crown's case was that Ahenakew violated Canada's hate legislation during a speech to an FSIN conference about health consent forms and in an interview with Saskatoon StarPhoenix reporter James Parker that immediately followed, in which Ahenakew called Jews a "disease" that started the Second World War.

That is a historical fact which the Jews have tried to conceal. It is essential to their well-being that the public remain unaware of the true facts.

Some are beginning to find it odd that although the U.S. was attacked by Japan, our main war effort was against Germany, and the Pacific War was merely a side show.

The extent of Jewish world domination is cleverly masked by the controlled media. In 1933 World Jewry declared war on Germany, for financial reasons. It was, at first a three pronged attack. From the West, there was an embargo and a world Jewish boycott on German goods. From the East, there was a concerted infiltration by Jewish Bolshevism. From the interior there was the disloyalty of the Jews. This was only a temporary measure until armed force could be mobilized. The economic war then turned into a shooting war. In 1945 the Jewish bankers emerged victorious. During WW2 all the Jewish dominated countries fought Germany. Each country contributed their blood and treasure in direct proportion to their domination by the Jews.



 `[Shimon] Peres warned [Ariel] Sharon Wednesday that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and `˜turn the US against us.` At this point, a furious Sharon reportedly turned toward Peres, saying `˜every time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear, don`t worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.``



`“ Kol Yisrael (Israel Radio), 3 October, 2001 (IAP)
.........................................................................sushigirl- NOLAJBS



Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: BigT on May 13, 2009, 08:10:15 PM
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Hopefully this opens up a can a worms where the issue of free speech and how J-ws are working to supress it enters the public square.
This would surely be the best outcome; it needs to be exposed who is ALWAYS behind this sh*t!  They need to be pressed to say if they really believe in free speech.  Ed Koch was on Alex's show about a year ago, and somehow they ended up talking about speech crime in Europe and this "great American" said that they've never had nor wanted free speech there.  I was flabbergasted to think that an American wouldn't hold that value as absolute to all everywhere.  It was one more event that pushed me in this direction.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: graybeard on May 13, 2009, 08:20:33 PM
The only facts that count for the ADL, are their own. It's a fine line between being too specific. Brendon was long winded and therefore too irritating for the tribe.

I heard a quote today from an internet radio broadcast.  I can't remember the original source, but he said something to the effect that the FBI and the CIA were small fry (regarding power) compared to the goddam ADL.

I find this radio broadcaster to be very interesting.  His radio programs are archived on his website:  www.patkiley.com.

I certainly wouldn't send him any money to invest for me, however.  He might be a damjoo like Madoff.

But, the facts that he states correspond exactly to the information which I read from my 'alternative media' sources (plus, he has a unique oral delivery).
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 13, 2009, 08:24:40 PM
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This would surely be the best outcome; it needs to be exposed who is ALWAYS behind this sh*t!  They need to be pressed to say if they really believe in free speech.

There's this a small window of opportunity before a big number of people become aware through the net, and before they really start controlling the net.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 13, 2009, 09:16:23 PM
I have just received some interesting news:

Duke FREE
Holappa und Shaun Walker SOON FREE
Toeben "ONLY" three months.


Australian jailed for anti-Semitic publications

22 hours ago

SYDNEY (AFP) `” A Holocaust revisionist was sentenced to three months in prison in Australia Wednesday for defying court orders to stop publishing anti-Semitic material on the Internet.

Gerald Frederick Toben, 65, who is wanted in Germany on charges of Holocaust denial, was jailed on 24 counts of criminal contempt of court, but the sentence was delayed for 14 days pending an appeal.

"Evidence showed a continuing public defiance of the authority of the court," Federal Court judge Bruce Lander was quoted as saying by the national AAP news agency.

The court had ordered Toben to stop publishing offensive material on his Adelaide Institute website in 2002 after complaints by a former president of the executive council of Australian Jewry.

"I am quite prepared to sacrifice my physical comforts for the sake of free expression," Toben told reporters outside the court in the southern city of Adelaide.

"The world is my prison, where can I run to?"

Toben was arrested in Britain in October last year under a European Union arrest warrant issued by Germany, but a bid to extradite him to answer charges of Holocaust denial failed.

He faces charges in Germany of publishing material on the Internet "of an anti-Semitic and/or revisionist nature" which denies, approves of, or plays down the Holocaust.

Holocaust denial is a crime in Germany and offenders can face up to five years in jail.

The acting director of Toben's Adelaide Institute, Peter Hartung, said in a statement the website would continue to operate as normal if Toben was absent.

"Dr Toben has shown himself to be a man of great integrity who will not bend -- even prison will not make him recant his views," he said.

Toben is due back in court later this month.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hpd_qipHJW2tIoMcPEsReM5Jlz4w

Related articles

    * Holocaust denier sentenced to three months
       United Press International - 44 minutes ago

    * Revisionist compared himself to Pratt
       Sydney Morning Herald - 5 hours ago

    * Australian Holocaust denier sentenced to prison
       Ynetnews - 14 hours ago

    * Holocaust revisionist Toben sentenced to jail
       Jewish Telegraphic Agency - 16 hours ago

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 13, 2009, 09:47:06 PM
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That is a historical fact which the Jews have tried to conceal. It is essential to their well-being that the public remain unaware of the true facts.

Indeed. The secret of their success, is their tribal cohesiveness. We could and should learn from that. 

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The extent of Jewish world domination is cleverly masked by the controlled media.

Of course... The media is a most valuable weapon. Putin recognized that and acted swiftly at the right moment. Our Generals know what they should do, but remain silent... They could have all the power if they were not beholden to the PTB....

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In 1933 World Jewry declared war on Germany, for financial reasons. It was, at first a three pronged attack. From the West, there was an embargo and a world Jewish boycott on German goods. From the East, there was a concerted infiltration by Jewish Bolshevism. From the interior there was the disloyalty of the Jews. This was only a temporary measure until armed force could be mobilized. The economic war then turned into a shooting war. In 1945 the Jewish bankers emerged victorious. During WW2 all the Jewish dominated countries fought Germany. Each country contributed their blood and treasure in direct proportion to their domination by the Jews.

Germany's downfall was their success. Will Americas downfall be their next victory?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 13, 2009, 09:54:52 PM
I heard a quote today from an internet radio broadcast.  I can't remember the original source, but he said something to the effect that the FBI and the CIA were small fry (regarding power) compared to the goddam ADL.

I find this radio broadcaster to be very interesting.  His radio programs are archived on his website:  www.patkiley.com.

I certainly wouldn't send him any money to invest for me, however.  He might be a damjoo like Madoff.

But, the facts that he states correspond exactly to the information which I read from my 'alternative media' sources (plus, he has a unique oral delivery).

I will check him out, thank you.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 13, 2009, 10:45:45 PM
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The acting director of Toben's Adelaide Institute, Peter Hartung, said in a statement the website would continue to operate as normal if Toben was absent.

"Dr Toben has shown himself to be a man of great integrity who will not bend -- even prison will not make him recant his views," he said.

I don't see what J-ws have to gain by jailing Toben.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 14, 2009, 02:01:07 AM
Brendon has a "jailwish".
At least I don't have to worry about him contacting my employer{even though I've been unemployed for 8months, lol}.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: wag on May 14, 2009, 04:35:09 AM
It might not be advisable. They are opposed to assimilation, but strangely, not against miscegenation.

I meant "luv" in the Jesus type of way.  :)

 ...Or maybe not, being that they had him killed.  :-\

Okay, back to the sunglasses and mean dog approach.  8)

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: wag on May 14, 2009, 04:45:38 AM
If I were B, I would read everything I could about how Ahenakew handled himself.

True, but I don't think the key would be to have scripted answers.  Just maintain your integrity.  There are a million subtly ways to handle jews. 

But letting them do most of the talking and all of the shouting would seem to be a good tactic, ...provided folks get to see the spectacle. 
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 14, 2009, 04:58:10 AM
"Will Americas downfall be their next victory?"

However it may get interpretted when the bell tolls, or the fat lady sings, I don't think it's something anyone's planned for.  The Ziocon machnery is designed to react like an animal to immediate circumstance only.  It's really quite primitive.

Of course the answer to your question is still a resounding YES, but they will call it something else, anyway ... to look good.

They'll say they warned us all along, but we feeble mortals failed to heed and obey, then they'll give us our one more chance.

They don't want to move to Israel with their winnings, I don't think.  That could turn out too nasty, so they'll come up with several other 'retreats' in countries where things and people come cheap and the weather is much nicer than ... Bayonne NJ.

before
(http://www.gardenofpraise.com/images/exodus2.jpg)

after
(http://images.leonardo.com/imgs/T/T11259/T11259_EXT_01_J.jpg)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 14, 2009, 05:46:31 AM
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I don't see what J-ws have to gain by jailing Toben.

Make an example.
If you wish to take them on publicly, be prepared to pay a heavy price.
Thats the warning.

Any exposure kills them, now moreso, because of the economic swindles.

People KNOW theyve been lied to by the politicians, By the radio media Shills, and are more receptive to an alternative message, that can be readily validated as truth.

By simply pointing, clicking and keyword searching, average John Q Public comes up with...
Badda Boom...Zio Jews lie, ZioJews stole our money, Holohoax lie debunked, wars were a lie for Israel.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: The_Skunk on May 14, 2009, 07:42:42 AM
David Ahenakew's lawyer Doug Christie


Odd the way there is a set group of lawyers that always defend dissidents ( The OKC, Randy Weaver, the holocaust deniers). Now, if i may extrapolate, I will, I must ... Christie defends Zundel, Leuchter, Ahenakew, etc --- He is doing 1 of 2 things, ruining his career and standing on principal, or he is a fifth columnist.

Lawyers basically take a $5 parking ticket and turn into into a $250 legal bill. Now Christie is going to sacrifice his $200k law practice over a Zundel (a canuck, that wears a hardhat and has a badly run holocaust website). The jew would get Christie's corporate clients and scare them off, and any judge he appears before has been 'Talked to'.

Basically, Doug Christie kisses his career good-by on 'Pro-Bono' nut cases ... No, I doubt that.  And even when the client is real (Randy Weaver) these miracle lawyers are just jew plants.

I am sorry Miss Sushi but you and i think in second dimension, and Mr Jew thinks in the 10 dimension.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 14, 2009, 10:11:01 AM
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David Ahenakew's lawyer Doug Christie

Odd the way there is a set group of lawyers that always defend dissidents ( The OKC, Randy Weaver, the holocaust deniers). Now, if i may extrapolate, I will, I must ... Christie defends Zundel, Leuchter, Ahenakew, etc --- He is doing 1 of 2 things, ruining his career and standing on principal, or he is a fifth columnist.

So you think he is a fifth columnist too? In that case you might have to add Radical Express - Topham (whose wife is jewish) - plus others in the same category. So who is left? Surely there must be some people out there with principles. 

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Lawyers basically take a $5 parking ticket and turn into into a $250 legal bill. Now Christie is going to sacrifice his $200k law practice over a Zundel (a canuck, that wears a hardhat and has a badly run holocaust website). The jew would get Christie's corporate clients and scare them off, and any judge he appears before has been 'Talked to'.

Basically, Doug Christie kisses his career good-by on 'Pro-Bono' nut cases ... No, I doubt that.  And even when the client is real (Randy Weaver) these miracle lawyers are just jew plants.

From a business point of view I can clearly see your point.

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I am sorry Miss Sushi but you and i think in second dimension, and Mr Jew thinks in the 10 dimension.

Do you have a list of anyone that you can believe in? Is Putin is also in cahoots with the tribe? If Christie truly is a plant, then we might as well close shop and go fishing.

But -- having said that, while I do not know where most of Christie's funds come from, whatever his political feelings might be, his primary interest is the defense of freedom of speech and that as we all know is one important principle that has been sorely compromised in our so-called freedom loving society.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 14, 2009, 10:17:43 AM
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Of course the answer to your question is still a resounding YES, but they
will call it something else, anyway ... to look good.

(http://images.leonardo.com/imgs/T/T11259/T11259_EXT_01_J.jpg)

I'm impressed --- In that case, where do we sign up, Ducky?  8)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: The_Skunk on May 14, 2009, 10:48:14 AM
(http://www.vex.net/~nizkor/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst/images/zundel.jpg)




Maybe the Jewish people admire christie's principals, and actually send him business
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 14, 2009, 12:53:17 PM
I don't remember who it was, some one said Zundel is half jewish. Is it true?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: The_Skunk on May 14, 2009, 01:14:40 PM
Zundel is rumored to have jewish blood, and there were questions as to Ingrid Rimland (his mate)

I only question this because of the extent of Brendon's possible punishment of 14 yrs. I see everything through the eye's of a jewish propagandist.

I remember reading Entebbe and seeing what a farce it was. The silly swastikas, or the Israeli bus bombs, or the Mosque of Samara. The jews live by these hoaxes. When I read an article about the average jew having an IQ of 135, i thought "We really are blessed". But then I saw the decay of porno, the lust for children, the dealing of drugs, the nation wrecking through immigration.

It's all so confusing. Is David Duke a real monster, was Frank Collin (nee Cohen) a real nazi, would Ruth Badder Ginsberg favor a fellow jew at trial? What was a Capt in the Sayret Matkal doing leading the hijackers on the first 9/11 flight? Should we forgive Madoff?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 14, 2009, 01:38:23 PM
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I don't remember who it was, some one said Zundel is half jewish. Is it true?


Not buying it.
Sounds like Hufschmidt BS. A Jew smear tactic.
But If he is, he is a self hating Jew that is willing to go to prison for his beliefs and wont be signing any million dollar book signing bonus for his efforts.

David Cole IS Jewish and exposed Auschwitz.
He later disappeared and had amnesia when the JDL goons got to him.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 14, 2009, 01:42:48 PM
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Should we forgive Madoff?

All Madoff did, was take all these well-informed Jews' money out of the country in a discreet fashion, thereby saving their wealth right before the economy imploded.  The dollar collapse is next.  If any gentiles lost their money to Madoff in the 'scam', then that was just more icing on their cake.

In a way, it's the same thing with Wikipedia, PBS, Health Information centers, and any other 'public' institution that solicits donations, while the Jews pull their strings with total control and use them as tools of propoganda betraying the public's interests.  You'd have to be a fool to donate anything to any of these types of organizations, but it gives the impression that the scheme is legitimate.

Madoff gave the impression that his was a legitimate ponzi-scheme when it wasn't.  The losers are no worse off than donors who give money to PBS in the effort to promote 'quality, independent public broadcasting'.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Fahey on May 14, 2009, 02:23:19 PM
Madoff gave the impression that his was a legitimate ponzi-scheme when it wasn't.  The losers are no worse off than donors who give money to PBS in the effort to promote 'quality, independent public broadcasting'.

Lulz.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: ThreeOfSeven on May 14, 2009, 02:41:48 PM

The censorship of these "First Fruits" videos by Youtube and the persecution of their producer by the Australian thought police has aroused my curiosity.  Can anyone either give me a working link to the videos or post them someplace where I can download them to save and view before they're deleted?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 14, 2009, 03:30:03 PM
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Zundel is rumored to have jewish blood, and there were questions as to Ingrid Rimland (his mate)

There must be millions more who have Jewish blood.

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I only question this because of the extent of Brendon's possible punishment of 14 yrs. I see everything through the eye's of a jewish propagandist.

I understand. Since Brendon's adventure was kind of hands-on, it will be interesting to watch what will transpire. No doubt we will find out what happens.

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I remember reading Entebbe and seeing what a farce it was. The silly swastikas, or the Israeli bus bombs, or the Mosque of Samara. The jews live by these hoaxes. When I read an article about the average jew having an IQ of 135, i thought "We really are blessed". But then I saw the decay of porno, the lust for children, the dealing of drugs, the nation wrecking through immigration.

I have witnessed all of the above too, including the moral decline.

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It's all so confusing. Is David Duke a real monster, was Frank Collin (nee Cohen) a real nazi, would Ruth Badder Ginsberg favor a fellow jew at trial? What was a Capt in the Sayret Matkal doing leading the hijackers on the first 9/11 flight? Should we forgive Madoff?

No. Crimes have to be punished, regardless who commits them. When I think of the Russian Revolution, WWI and WWII, all wars before and current, 9/11, the all too recent billion Dollar plunders here at home... the list just goes on and on. It is sickening.

I think, in the final analysis, good or bad, there really is no choice but to conform and pay allegiance to the tribe which simply overrides all other inclinations.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 14, 2009, 03:34:35 PM
The censorship of these "First Fruits" videos by Youtube and the persecution of their producer by the Australian thought police has aroused my curiosity.  Can anyone either give me a working link to the videos or post them someplace where I can download them to save and view before they're deleted?

Both videos have been removed.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: The_Skunk on May 14, 2009, 03:42:58 PM
I have no idea as to Zundel's bloodline.

My point is I would be wary of lawyers that sacrifice their career over a pro bono holocaust case. It seems there are three or four (Christie, Lyons, etc) that trash a comfy career to defend neo-nazis?

Oddly the jews don't savage them
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Chewbacca on May 14, 2009, 04:25:38 PM
One thing is for sure, Zundel looks jewish. Whether he is or not seems like we're not going to be able to question it. Jews definitely love hype, they will have you believing fairy tales if you dont watch out.
(http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/mediafile/200810/14/P200810140837292849032070.jpg)  It vas troo inmyimegenation!

 jews have an army out there saying we shouldnt do a thing to them and then we hear jews say they love it when we do things to them because they feed on it. Which one is it? I think separating them from their money would be the ultimate thing to do to them.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: amonvanroark on May 14, 2009, 04:51:48 PM
My, my, my, just look at what I found at AWE.

It looks as if the poster that was welcomed here so graciously, after he claimed to have "shitcanned" four posters from here, is up to it again.

Now it seems he is operating under a mandate to have individuals he does not agree with reported to the police.

And he does the reporting.

He claims, herein, to have been the one who reported Brendon to the local police forces.

Is this what the posters here want?

A snake in the grass, in the midst of you?

Here it is, read it:

(http://img2.pict.com/e9/c6/bc/31b8af31fb5cf8480967b66d89/hUBfY/300/for2520brendon2520o27connell2520.png) (http://img2.pict.com/e9/c6/bc/31b8af31fb5cf8480967b66d89/hUBfY/for2520brendon2520o27connell2520.png)

  SOURCE (http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/lobby/52181-brendon-oconnell-aka-st-paul-5.html)

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 14, 2009, 05:09:21 PM
Hey Amon,

Yea I saw that.  What a dick.  I think he's just trying to rub salt in an open wound.  It was the jewish organization that claimed to have pushed the police to act.  But then again it's david henry we're talking about.

Hope things are good with you man!!.. 8)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 14, 2009, 05:15:36 PM
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My, my, my, just look at what I found at AWE.

It looks as if the poster that was welcomed here so graciously, after he claimed to have "shitcanned" four posters from here, is up to it again.


Great find...
Please elaborate on WHO here, 'shitcanned 4 posters'...
I have an idea but havent been here long enough to venture more than a guess.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: amonvanroark on May 14, 2009, 05:38:41 PM
Even if the actions were not undertaken by the people highlighted in my post, claiming those actions as their own is despicable.

As to the subject on this thread, and your comments yesterday, I agree with you completely. Walt Disney seemed to have a bit of a hissy fit when he was confronted by yourself, but I see you handled it well. If I recall correctly, Disney is also an Australian; it seems that these individuals are rather prone to go off the deep end, should any of their pre-conceived notions be called into question.

As to Disney calling you a jew, and a liar in his responses, that was laughable. All those here from the beginning, when this place was opened to the general public, know better.

Hell, man, I see you as being one of the most honest posters anywhere; you call a spade a spade, and ALWAYS tell the truth, no matter how much it will hurt the person the truth is directed to.

I understand quite fully why you seldom come around here any longer. I, also have become tired of the constant focus on the jew. Here, the posters are doing little more than preaching to the choir; it does tend to become repetitive and boring.

We ALL know that we are getting screwed, however endless repetition of the manner in which it is happening does become tiresome.

As to the rest, Scott, I am doing well, and I also hope that you are.

All the best to you, your family, and your loved ones.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 14, 2009, 05:41:35 PM
Are poggy and henry the same poster?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 14, 2009, 06:07:26 PM
"... where do we sign up, Ducky?"

Unless you want to serve drinks to elites lounging by the pool for $2.85 a day, I'd suggest you take care as to what documents are worthy of your signature, dear.

They hardly tip worth beans, or so I've heard.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 14, 2009, 06:13:03 PM
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If I recall correctly, Disney is also an Australian; it seems that these individuals are rather prone to go off the deep end, should any of their pre-conceived notions be called into question.

Nope, Im from Ohio and call it home for now, Cincinnati specifically.
Didnt think I went off the deep end, just confronted someone who offended me.


Yes I called Effendi a Jew, and DONT find it 'laughable'.
Zios slither all over here as every other forum, theyre just more discreet.
These were HIS remarks about Brandon. Is this 'Honesty and Spade to spade calling to you?



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You punk ass Christians are way too busy sucking circumcised cock!!
(Christians dont speak like this, Jews do)


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'Well obviously you have no capacity to think then, if you had bothered to observe his psychosis a couple of months back, there would be no question in your mind. 
I've known him for YEARS here there and everywhere, he used to be my friend until he went fucking psychotic 3 months ago and attacked me for no reason with a vengeance, accusing ME of being a punk ass jew.  Now he HAS been removed from the team of the faithful.'



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When brendon took photo's of my friends off the web and photo-shopped them around with skunk styled "jew noses", that was WAY the fuck over the line of decency,  and he deserves whatever little men in white coats
(Effendi Pimps Gulags for Dissenters & those that Out Jews or heaven forbid, photoshop their beaks..)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 14, 2009, 06:16:52 PM
"Zios slither all over here as every other forum, theyre just more discreet."

No doodie, eh?  Now I'm really wondering about the one calling you a 'down underer'.

Hey, I was born in Ohio!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 14, 2009, 06:19:21 PM
Good old Buckeye State.
Changed alot in the last 40 years Ive lived here....Might be heading out West or South if all goes well.
OPtions are open.  I wouldnt mind leaving the country but thats a stretch.


A few more from Effendi the poster who calls 'a spade a spade' and the most Honest poster here..comments concerning Brandon.  A 'Zio' Moment?


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You are a tool if you think for one minute that crazy fuckball has done anything but harm the cause.
Along with his idiot team America and Inri, the fucking psycho trio has done more to turn people off and away from the truth then they ever have in regards to spreading truth.



'Get REAL skunky, brendan's a fucking nut job that does your noble crusade much more harm than good.
birds of a feather I guess'......
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 14, 2009, 06:22:57 PM
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I, also have become tired of the constant focus on the jew.

Who then, should we focus on? Catholic Jesuits? Bush team? Obama? German death cults? Skull N Bones?

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Here, the posters are doing little more than preaching to the choir; it does tend to become repetitive and boring.

Jew focus is never boring, quite interesting really once one fine tunes his senses and 'scents' for Bagels..
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: amonvanroark on May 14, 2009, 06:39:54 PM


Great find...
Please elaborate on WHO here, 'shitcanned 4 posters'...
I have an idea but havent been here long enough to venture more than a guess.


The poster 'Poggy' claimed to have done this in a post at AWE.

I could probably find the post in question, however I really do not wish to wade through the muck over there to find it.

Upon 'Poggy' making the statement above, I contacted the Admin here to determine who was banned that could be attributable to the actions of 'Poggy'.

It was related to me that no actions were taken due to what the 'Poggy' entity wished or stated.

Shortly afterward, two posters here were deleted; Change, who through his repeated actions here, (he had been banned twice before; why he was let back in is a mystery to me) became tiresome and troublesome, and America, who, in my opinion should have never been banned; that which she was accused of was true to a point, BUT it should be noted that a lot of her posts contained self-generated material.

Brendon may think that his experience with the judicial system in Australia, and the jews, will result in him broadcating his views to the general public.

Sorry, it will not happen.

The judges in the court system, jews or not, will not allow Brendon to shanghai their processes to make his point.

From what I have read elsewhere, he has boxes of documents that he wishes to introduce into court.

They will never be seen. They will be regarded a irrelevant to the case in question.


As will his videos.

Sorry to rain on the parade, but "What is a Parade Without a Packard".

I wish the best for Brendon, such as he may be.

  
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 14, 2009, 06:51:03 PM
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Brendon may think that his experience with the judicial system in Australia, and the jews, will result in him broadcating his views to the general public.

Sorry, it will not happen.

The judges in the court system, jews or not, will not allow Brendon to shanghai their processes to make his point.

From what I have read elsewhere, he has boxes of documents that he wishes to introduce into court.

They will never be seen. They will be regarded a irrelevant to the case in question.

Very true. And the court will impose a gag order for him not to distribute his material in the future. Toben is going to jail for contempt of court.

Even though, there ways around it if Brendon has some friends that can introduce his material under their names. Of course, we have to assume that his computer has been seized at this time.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 14, 2009, 07:35:48 PM
I was just teasing you...  :P
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: FrankDialogue on May 14, 2009, 07:36:52 PM
One thing is for sure, Zundel looks jewish. Whether he is or not seems like we're not going to be able to question it. Jews definitely love hype, they will have you believing fairy tales if you dont watch out.
(http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/mediafile/200810/14/P200810140837292849032070.jpg)  It vas troo inmyimegenation!

Hell, I have posted this a number of times...Zundel is part Jewish...He himself said this in a story on him in a Canadian news daily, I believe in Montreal, or Toronto...Zundel said that he had considered ASKING ISRAEL FOR ASYLUM when he was having his legal problems in Canada, but then thought better of it...He said he considered this because he was part Jewish (or believed himself to be)...Then, he thought better of the idea...Doesn't matter...Zundel still speaks the truth on the WWII issues, and was unjustly kidnapped.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 14, 2009, 09:00:34 PM
I'm just roleplaying the role that Brendon and America have fabricated for me.
They're constantly lying about me and JJ, and have even accused me of being a peddy....I made a post here at Nola about it.
Poggy=David Henry.

Brendon and America are "fucked in the head Xtians"
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 14, 2009, 09:02:52 PM
The fact is, I'm an atheist, but most people are either religious or agnostic and they don't like it when I confront them with the TRUTH about their fantasies.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 15, 2009, 07:50:33 AM
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The fact is, I'm an atheist, but most people are either religious or agnostic and they don't like it when I confront them with the TRUTH about their fantasies.

The TRUTH is, that Jesus' teachings are damn good at defeating Zio/NWO tactics, especially if practiced in-mass.  Even as an individual I know many people who get through the day under this zio-crap by hoping, praying, and acting (usually in small & mundane ways).  Praying is at the VERY LEAST effective self-programming/deprogramming.

What you should recognize is atheism is a religion/ism all on it's own, with many of the same characteristics of blind faith in a belief system without the ability to perceive what may be truth outside of their belief system.

I find it especially annoying that you've picked up and decided to use the jew's technique of blotting out Jesus from the consciousness of the public by replacing him with 'X', like the newspapers do under the excuse of saving space in their headlines.  We should all know what that's really about.

I consider myself agnostic but I lean towards Christianity.  Both paradigms still appear valid, while many others fail, in that they explain the things going on in our world very well, and the religious one often explains it better (more simply) for many people.  Then again all these heeb religions could be BS from a people who are known for their lies.  Regardless, at the very least there is a lot of validity in the knowledge, wisdom, and tactics practiced in Christianity so you ought to stop dissing it.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 15, 2009, 08:25:43 AM
.  Regardless, at the very least there is a lot of validity in the knowledge, wisdom, and tactics practiced in Christianity so you ought to stop dissing it.

FYI, I'm anti RELIGION, ie, the notion that a God exists, and subsequently self appointed assheads can act as my conscience.
Religion is also the blueprint for government and it's subjective ethics aka a master/servant relationship.....put simply and crudely, FUCK THAT AND FUCK GOD.

Now the fact remains, I'm just as powerless as you are, so regardless of how superior my knowledge is, I can't do a damn thing unless others get on board with what constitutes objective ethics.

Me, I'd be prepared to eliminate my enemies, but I want fighting odds.....and whilst people are content to pray, I know I've got no chance of any meaningful change.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 15, 2009, 08:30:04 AM
What a dick.  I think he's just trying to rub salt in an open wound. 

Don't mention the word "dick", especially as I know you're a paedophile.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: FrankDialogue on May 15, 2009, 08:31:15 AM
The TRUTH is, that Jesus' teachings are damn good at defeating Zio/NWO tactics, especially if practiced in-mass.  Even as an individual I know many people who get through the day under this zio-crap by hoping, praying, and acting (usually in small & mundane ways).  Praying is at the VERY LEAST effective self-programming/deprogramming.

What you should recognize is atheism is a religion/ism all on it's own, with many of the same characteristics of blind faith in a belief system without the ability to perceive what may be truth outside of their belief system.

I find it especially annoying that you've picked up and decided to use the jew's technique of blotting out Jesus from the consciousness of the public by replacing him with 'X', like the newspapers do under the excuse of saving space in their headlines.  We should all know what that's really about.

I consider myself agnostic but I lean towards Christianity.  Both paradigms still appear valid, while many others fail, in that they explain the things going on in our world very well, and the religious one often explains it better (more simply) for many people.  Then again all these heeb religions could be BS from a people who are known for their lies.  Regardless, at the very least there is a lot of validity in the knowledge, wisdom, and tactics practiced in Christianity so you ought to stop dissing it.

Whether or not you believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ, the Gospel is the guideline for a better life here...It is the rejection of the 'good news' which lies at the root of our problems...This is true from now until the end of time...And, quite right, 'atheism' is a 'religion' in itself, a man made one, like Communism, secularism, all the 'ims'...People delude themselves that they are 'free' or that man can solve all of his problems on his own...History shows the result of this...Christianity is a 'moral leavening' that affects the whole of society in a positive way...People get turned off by certain religious extremists and hustlers who use the word of Christ for personal gain and control...People are also put off by 'fundamentalists' who
judge others, but are themselves not worthy to be judges...Jesus was no 'extremist'...His mission was to heal, but when you reject the healing, then you become sick and die...I respect Muslims also, and Jews who actually live by the laws given to Moses, not the 'interpretation' given by the 'elders'.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 15, 2009, 08:41:28 AM
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Religion is also the blueprint for government and it's subjective ethics aka a master/servant relationship...

Wrong.  The Western govts have been separating religion and govt for this very reason.

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...and whilst people are content to pray, I know I've got no chance of any meaningful change.

Sounds like you just missed my whole point.

Sorry, but it's a little hard to take intellectual/philosophical/theosophical discourse with you seriously when you ignore points and your potty-mouth has a whiff of kosher smell to it (lose it, or go back to AWE).
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 15, 2009, 08:51:40 AM
Wrong.  The Western govts have been separating religion and govt for this very reason.

Sounds like you just missed my whole point.

Sorry, but it's a little hard to take intellectual/philosophical/theosophical discourse with you seriously when you ignore points and your potty-mouth has a whiff of kosher smell to it (lose it, or go back to AWE).

I don't give a damn if you don't take me seriously.....FFS put me on ignore.
I don't take religious people seriously as they're accomplished LIARS.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 15, 2009, 09:01:50 AM
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I don't give a damn if you don't take me seriously...

Sounds like you need to grab a gun and go start shooting.  Ok, wait until you have fighting odds first, then go 'die by the sword' as they're intending.  Hey, Americans have more guns now than ever.  But it doesn't take guns.  Nothing ever gets accomplished because no one ever organizes.  No one ever organizes because there are too many kosher infiltrators trying to divide and start skirmishes inside the ranks, like what you are doing.

You are taking us two steps back everytime we take a step forward.  Either realize what you are doing with your inflammatory posts (must have picked that up on AWE) or I think it's safe for everyone to conclude that you most-definitely shouldn't be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 15, 2009, 10:33:38 AM
.  No one ever organizes because there are too many kosher infiltrators trying to divide and start skirmishes inside the ranks


I agree, and that's why I advocate people study philosophy, ethics and critical thinking, so they can identify the enemy within.
That said, you're dreaming if you think you're on the verge of expelling the Jews........look at what happened to Brendon.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 15, 2009, 11:07:23 AM
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That said, you're dreaming if you think you're on the verge of expelling the Jews........look at what happened to Brendon.

The jew-wise movement is growing exponentially and I think we have enough people already.  I'm just waiting on a plan (that will work).  You have a plan?

The war is being fought on a 'spiritual' level, and we must have the people on our side who understand this.  Let me define 'spiritual' for you in your terms:  of or pertaining to an agenda bigger than one's own lifespan.  We're talking about generations and many peoples' lives involved.  Regardless of what you believe, you pass on 'Atheism' to your kids, two or three generations later they'll probably all die out without much else, because Atheists are easy-pickins for the Zios, which is why they promote it so much.  If you are sincere in being truthful to yourself, you should consider yourself agnostic and not atheist.

Converting a Jew to Christianity might help things.  Converting him to Atheism will not.
By extension, converting people in general to Christianity helps our cause more than converting them to Atheism.

This of course is ignoring which paradigm might be true and which is false.  But I believe in Jesus' teachings for fighting Talmudic tyranny.  What about you?  Can you really say you don't?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 15, 2009, 12:13:54 PM
You are a man of patience and a much better man than I, Old times.

this poggy creature (by his own words) was instructed to join this site with the sole intention of disrupting it.

None of the rest of us give him the time of day as he is not his own man,  I have 100% faith that he will demonstrate this to you in very short order.

May I learn to tolerate as you do!!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 15, 2009, 01:08:05 PM
Don't mention the word "dick", especially as I know you're a paedophile.

Poggy, you are most certainly free to discuss your thoughts, ideas and opinions, that is generally what a forum is all about. Naturally, you are free to agree or disagree.

Since you advocate that people should study philosophy, ethics and critical thinking, I would suggest that you might revisit 'ethics', they are important because they act as our mediator when dealing or coming into contact with other people.

If we have the wrong sense of ethics we will react to people in a negative manner. Calling people 'idiots' and 'pedophiles' etc., including 'FUCK THAT AND FUCK GOD' ....is immature and unacceptable.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 15, 2009, 04:01:23 PM
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POGGY said: Religion is also the blueprint for government and it's subjective ethics aka a master/servant relationship.....put simply and crudely, FUCK THAT AND FUCK GOD.

The New World Religion IS the Holohoax and Global Warning, NOT Christ or his teachings.

One can publicly Deny GOD, His Son, The Trinity, His miracles, The Virgin Birth BUT One
cannot By Law, Deny '6 million' That is the New Religion.

REPLY TO Poggy:


     Your logic is flawed, superficial and more resemblence of Judaic atheism than anything
     else. You're entitled to your viewpoint, however wrong it may be.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 15, 2009, 04:06:21 PM
Wrong.  The Western govts have been separating religion and govt for this very reason.

Religion, as a construct, is the precursor to any form of government.  Judaism, as a religion, claims you are "born a Jew" into their control, like a dictatorship.   All a constitutional government is, a legal fiction that one gives their consent to, in order to be controlled by, which is exactly what Christianity is supposed to be.  

The problem with all forms of collectivism, is they created a barrier to the truth, and are only devises for the people in control. All forms of collectivism manifest a criminally insane collectivist mentality as a result of believing in the justification for collective control.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: amonvanroark on May 15, 2009, 05:03:41 PM

The New World Religion IS the Holohoax and Global Warning, NOT Christ or his teachings.

One can publicly Deny GOD, His Son, The Trinity, His miracles, The Virgin Birth BUT One cannot By Law, Deny '6 million' That is the New Religion.

Your logic is flawed, superficial and more resemblence of Judaic atheism than anything else.
Youre entitled to your viewpoint, however wrong it may be.

Really, I would think that you are taking Sushi's statement ENTIRELY out of context. The quotation you attribute to Sushi was, essentially, her quote of what poggy said to someone earlier. The part that was left out of your quote was that she stated that such behavior was not acceptable.

What have we here?:

(http://img2.pict.com/96/26/dc/aa50dfa832fb8cce9dfa641fa6/Zkt0c/300/proxywhore.png) (http://img2.pict.com/96/26/dc/aa50dfa832fb8cce9dfa641fa6/Zkt0c/proxywhore.png)

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 15, 2009, 05:16:23 PM
Context, Schmontext.....


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POGGY said: FYI, I'm anti RELIGION, ie, the notion that a God exists, and subsequently self appointed assheads can act as my conscience.
Religion is also the blueprint for government and it's subjective ethics aka a master/servant relationship.....put simply and crudely, FUCK THAT AND FUCK GOD.

Not much one can take out of context with this statement, it sort of speaks for itself to many of us.
Marx, Lenin and a good many other Communists were also atheists.
Many Jews, as a general rule, are Atheists.  Theyre Secularists and fancy themselves as walking 'Gods'

Not sure where youre in the mix, except for the fact that you make excuses, and talk about 'context'
Jews like to use that word alot, Ive had it thrown at me often. Usually when the TALMUD or other Jewish hate speech is used.
Have a great evening and Sabbath, Amonvanroark.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: amonvanroark on May 15, 2009, 05:44:42 PM
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Religion is also the blueprint for government and it's subjective ethics aka a master/servant relationship.....put simply and crudely, FUCK THAT AND FUCK GOD.

What you have quoted is above.

What actually was said by Sushi is quoted below:

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Quote from: Poggy to Effendi on Today at 11:30:04 AM
Don't mention the word "dick", especially as I know you're a paedophile.

SG. to Poggy:

Poggy, you are most certainly free to discuss your thoughts, ideas and opinions, that is generally what a forum is all about. Naturally, you are free to agree or disagree.

Since you advocate that people should study philosophy, ethics and critical thinking, I would suggest that you might revisit 'ethics', they are important because they act as our mediator when dealing or coming into contact with other people.

If we have the wrong sense of ethics we will react to people in a negative manner. Calling people 'idiots' and 'pedophiles' etc., including 'FUCK THAT AND FUCK GOD' ....is immature and unacceptable.

Can you comprehend the difference?

Do you see it?

You have no idea who I am, as you state, but I have been here for a lot longer than you have.

There are a few of us Old Guard left, ones who have no taint of the jew on ourselves.

You would do well to respect the opinions they state; they have been at it a lot longer than you have.

Effendi is one of these I speak of.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: wag on May 15, 2009, 05:51:28 PM
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Judaism, as a religion, claims you are "born a Jew" into their control, like a dictatorship.

You seem dumb about jews.  Their controls are all on us, not themselves.  The "born a jew" thing is all about limiting membership in the club.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 15, 2009, 06:09:14 PM
What you have quoted is above.

What actually was said by Sushi is quoted below:

Can you comprehend the difference?

Do you see it?

You have no idea who I am, as you state, but I have been here for a lot longer than you have.

There are a few of us Old Guard left, ones who have no taint of the jew on ourselves.

You would do well to respect the opinions they state; they have been at it a lot longer than you have.

Effendi is one of these I speak of.

Nice catch Amon...

I caught it, I fixed it, I flagged it to poggy there was another one the other day, I flagged the person he intended to reply to.

I think it was an honest mistake...

Thank you for paying close attention.  :-*

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 15, 2009, 06:15:00 PM
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You have no idea who I am, as you state, but I have been here for a lot longer than you have.
There are a few of us Old Guard left, ones who have no taint of the jew on ourselves.
You would do well to respect the opinions they state; they have been at it a lot longer than you have.
Effendi is one of these I speak of.


I dont give one damn if youve been here 50 years.
Im not here to make friends with Zios or those that are anti Christian, Pro Gulag Arrests by 'White Coats' on activists like Brandon or worried about photo shop nose jobs.

Even if I remove Poggys last few words, his sentence reads:
Quote
FYI, I'm anti RELIGION, ie, the notion that a God exists, and subsequently self appointed assheads can act as my conscience.
Religion is also the blueprint for government and it's subjective ethics aka a master/servant relationship.....
Religion is Not a blueprint for government, as it existed BEFORE there were any governments, but a United Christian Kingdom Rule for centuries, later substituted for nation states, still loyal to the Kingdom of Christ out of the Vatican or Constantinople, under the Byzantine empire.
Atheism is consistent with Jewry specifically. And 'Christian' Secularists that more worship the Golden calf with modernism and moral relativism.


Amon...I dont care about your club, making friends or enemies for that matter and certainly not how long one here has been a member.
Im my own man.
I dont need your endorsement, dont want it, care about it, or care for it.

Looks like I ruffled a few feathers and the birds of a feather are flocking....
But I do like having you here, keeps me on my toes..and is good sparring and training.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 15, 2009, 06:20:07 PM

There are a few of us Old Guard left, ones who have no taint of the jew on ourselves.

You would do well to respect the opinions they state; they have been at it a lot longer than you have.

Effendi is one of these I speak of.


Thank You Amon, much respect my friend.

This constant need to "out" jews is a complete waste of time in my view.  As we remember from Rachel19-crazy, you don't need to actually be a jew to scream the standard.  People need to be judged on their opinion of things and held accountable accordingly.

If either of US actually were jews, then we should be very openly welcomed here for our long and hard stance against the synagogue of Satan.

Ironically, it was these exact accusations from team America that soured me to absence.  

People of course try to deceive here as like everywhere else, but we need to look at what a person says, not what we don't like.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 15, 2009, 06:36:44 PM
Mr. Cortina, please pay attention to whom you are replying. Your reply should go to Amon, not to me.

All Amon was doing was to notify you that your reply went to the wrong person.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: olie on May 15, 2009, 06:47:05 PM
J.J.

  Quote
Judaism, as a religion, claims you are "born a Jew" into their control, like a dictatorship.

Wag :

 

You seem dumb about jews.  Their controls are all on us, not themselves.  


-  You  are not  quite  there  yet  either  ;-)  . .  -  Their  control  IS  first  and  formost  on  the  tribe  which  is  being  ruled with  the  iron rod and  rewarded with benefits  that  come  in  form  of  privileges  in  any  sphere  of  activity and  protection  from  any  crime  if  ones points acumulated  through  the  service  to  the  tribe  warants  it . . -   They  control  us  ONLY  by  corrupting  our  govments  and  running  all  the   agencies,  departments  and
associations . .

The "born a jew" thing is all about limiting membership in the club.  -  And  even  more  important -  indoctrination  about 'choseness'  .  -  The  driving  things  are   privileges  and  protection (  and  that's  NOT  from  'pogroms ' . .  ) . .   and  yes ,  the  MIRACLES . . .  -  That 'religion'  throws  out  a  decent  size  miracle  every 10  years  or  so :  -  Killing 34  American  saylors  and  getting  away  with  it . .-  You  can   say -  it's  a  man-made ,  but  it's  still  a  'miracle'  . .   -  Anihilating   3  0r  five buildings  while  showing  movies  all  day  long  on  TV  and  holhausting  300  firemen  in  the  process  of  the  hoax  .    and  getting  away  -  It's  a  bigger  miracle   than weasel   aproaching  that  pit  with  people   burning  alive  5  times   and  surviving  to  tell  the  story  . .
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 15, 2009, 08:43:45 PM
The jew-wise movement is growing exponentially and I think we have enough people already. 
  But I believe in Jesus' teachings for fighting Talmudic tyranny.  What about you?  Can you really say you don't?

If the Jew-wise movement is growing at such a rate, why isn't it reflected in the activity at this message board?
I became aware of Zionism in mid 2001, and there's always someone claiming we're 6-9months away from another pogrom, yet here we are 8 yrs later and NOLAJBS is very quite, and the same people who were here a few months ago when I joined are still here.

The problem with a Xtian NWO is that people like JJ and I could be their targets, so thanks but no thanks.

I want the TRUTH exposed, and the truth is, Atheism is factual......theism is an outright LIE, and agnosticism is irrational.



Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 15, 2009, 08:47:27 PM
Calling people 'idiots' and 'pedophiles' etc., including 'FUCK THAT AND FUCK GOD' ....is immature and unacceptable.


I don't think I called anyone an idiot.......but nothing is more immature than rejecting reality and pretending there's an invisible man in the sky.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 15, 2009, 08:51:28 PM
Poggy
I can tell you that I lurked here for years.
The Judicial link on this forum is BLOCKED if youre not a member or signed on, and this is really where the action is on nolajbs, imho.

I can probably do more to leave this link on other chat boards I attend, but would be nice if we can open up the Judicial link to share info, with Skunks blessing of course.

He might not be in favor of it, just due to the Zios, which have a tendency to Slither their way in and who needs it?!
I only got in when Skunk briefly linked the forum to his website which Ive visited a few years, came on it by accident and have since spread it to at least 2 dozen different boards.

From shooting, hunting, dog training boards..I link it everywhere.  And often get thanked for it too, by many.
I Had it linked on my Youtube account but that didnt last long, They disabled me. One of many times.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 15, 2009, 08:59:11 PM
POGGY



You Cannot have a Creation, without a Creator..therefore GOD exists

TRANSCENDENTAL ARGUMENT,
(1) If reason exists then God exists.
(2) Reason exists.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

COSMOLOGICAL ARGUMENT,
(1) If I say something must have a cause, it has a cause.
(2) I say the universe must have a cause.
(3) Therefore, the universe has a cause.
(4) Therefore, God exists.


ARGUMENT FROM FAITH EQUIVALENCY
(1) You have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow, don't you?
(2) See.  Atheists have faith too!
(3) Therefore, belief in science is just another faith.
(4) Just like I have faith in God and Jesus.
(5) Therefore, God exists.


MODAL ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT
(1) God is either necessary or unnecessary.
(2) God is not unnecessary, therefore God must be necessary.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


ARGUMENT FROM UNINTELLIGENCE
(1)  "For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son into the world, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish from the earth." John 3:16.
(2) Therefore, God exists.


ARGUMENT FROM CREATIVE INTERPRETATION
(1) God is:
    (a) The feeling you have when you look at a newborn baby.
    (b) The love of a mother for her child.
    (c) That little still voice in your heart.
    (d) Humankind's potential to overcome their difficulties.
    (e) How I feel when I look at a sunset.
    (f) The taste of ice cream on a hot day.
(2) Therefore, God exists.


ARGUMENT FROM ABSOLUTE MORAL STANDARDS
(1) If there are absolute moral standards, then God exists.
(2) Atheists say that there are no absolute moral standards.
(3) But that's because they don't want to admit to being sinners.
(4) Therefore, there are absolute moral standards.
(5) Therefore, God exists.


ARGUMENT FROM ABSOLUTE MORAL STANDARDS
(1) If there are absolute moral standards, then God exists.
(2) Atheists say that there are no absolute moral standards.
(3) But that's because they don't want to admit to being sinners.
(4) Therefore, there are absolute moral standards.
(5) Therefore, God exists.


ARGUMENT FROM SUBJECTIVITY
(1) Everything is subjective.
(2) No subjective proof can be superior to any other subjective proof.
(3) Based upon my subjective opinion, your opinion, that if everything is subjective then, perforce, God is subjective, is false.
(4) Therefore, God (objectively) exists.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 15, 2009, 09:07:09 PM
None of you can physically define GOD.
God as a concept explains nothing, ie, if a God does exist, who created God and why all the stupid human limitations.

Even if God existed, why would anyone be grateful?.....I'm a victim of my humanity thanks to God, I'm a victim of nature thanks to God, I'm a victim of ignorance and evil thanks to God.
My "FUCK GOD" slogan is a sign of mental maturity.....I totally reject the God concept and all the bullshit that stems from it.
All I want is the truth.....that'll do me fine.

And the truth is, any society not operating with IRIS and Obj ethics is illegitimate.

I'm not anti-Gov or authority, I'm anti illegitimate authority, and that's all forms of control that aren't IRIS based.
And some of you guys sound as dangerous as Brendon....ie, you accuse me of being a Jew despite only offering that which can be logically verified, OTOH, you offer me "The fear of God", well FUCK GOD.

It's not that I consider myself to be Godlike or superior to everybody, it's more so that I don't consider myself as inferior to anyone.......and because I am an ethical person, my self image is not a threat to anyone but the evil.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 15, 2009, 09:09:17 PM
POGGY
You Cannot have a Creation, without a Creator


I agree, and that's why the universe is uncaused, ie, it's eternal.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 16, 2009, 12:41:02 AM
There are a few of us Old Guard left, ones who have no taint of the jew on ourselves.

You would do well to respect the opinions they state; they have been at it a lot longer than you have.

Effendi is one of these I speak of.


All of us "Old Guard" went off half-cocked at one time or another, before we learned the nature of this virtual medium.  I've been doing this for ten years, and I have yet to develop confidence in more than a handful of people I've seen posting for more than half of those ten years.  I think I have learned, though ~ I think we have learned, I should say ~ to not jump to conclusions about anyone.  Some people learn more slowly ... QuoTodt was certainly one of those, as his current unfortunate predicament shows rather clearly.  And as Effendi and others note, Quo is fairly well on his way to establishing his credentials as not a Talmudic zionist.

We'll see about young Walt.  I have to note, though, that Walt Disney himself is probably turning over in his grave at what his heirs have done with his name ...
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 16, 2009, 12:49:52 AM
Looks like I ruffled a few feathers and the birds of a feather are flocking ...

No, you haven't ruffled any feathers, you haven't been around long enough to do much more than shoot yourself in the foot.  At the moment, your tantrums are mildly amusing, and your aggravation is your own problem.  You're just another in a long series of "wet behind the ears" recently radicalized loose cannons.

Like we used to be.  Or at least some of us used to be.

But sink or swim, it makes no particular difference to anyone other than you.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: SlackerSlayer on May 16, 2009, 01:40:18 AM
The jew-wise movement is growing exponentially and I think we have enough people already.  I'm just waiting on a plan (that will work).  You have a plan?

The war is being fought on a 'spiritual' level, and we must have the people on our side who understand this.  Let me define 'spiritual' for you in your terms:  of or pertaining to an agenda bigger than one's own lifespan.  We're talking about generations and many peoples' lives involved.  Regardless of what you believe, you pass on 'Atheism' to your kids, two or three generations later they'll probably all die out without much else, because Atheists are easy-pickins for the Zios, which is why they promote it so much.  If you are sincere in being truthful to yourself, you should consider yourself agnostic and not atheist.

Converting a Jew to Christianity might help things.  Converting him to Atheism will not.
By extension, converting people in general to Christianity helps our cause more than converting them to Atheism.

This of course is ignoring which paradigm might be true and which is false.  But I believe in Jesus' teachings for fighting Talmudic tyranny.  What about you?  Can you really say you don't?


I must include a previous comment you've made just a few posts previous to this one.

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The TRUTH is, that Jesus' teachings are damn good at defeating Zio/NWO tactics, especially if practiced in-mass.  Even as an individual I know many people who get through the day under this zio-crap by hoping, praying, and acting (usually in small & mundane ways).  Praying is at the VERY LEAST effective self-programming/deprogramming.

What you should recognize is atheism is a religion/ism all on it's own, with many of the same characteristics of blind faith in a belief system without the ability to perceive what may be truth outside of their belief system.

I find it especially annoying that you've picked up and decided to use the jew's technique of blotting out Jesus from the consciousness of the public by replacing him with 'X' (SS-Better than a kikle!), like the newspapers do under the excuse of saving space in their headlines.  We should all know what that's really about.

I consider myself agnostic but I lean towards Christianity.  Both paradigms still appear valid, while many others fail, in that they explain the things going on in our world very well, and the religious one often explains it better (more simply) for many people.  Then again all these heeb religions could be BS from a people who are known for their lies.  Regardless, at the very least there is a lot of validity in the knowledge, wisdom, and tactics practiced in Christianity so you ought to stop dissing it.

Seriously?

To help Brendons issue and ours would be to honor and live by the first thought of the first (ammendment) article to the bill of rights. I know Oz doesn't have it, it is the principle,,, "(lawmakers) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,,," this does not mean in total 'to create a state church' as the religious zionist parasites of the former supreme court have defined it, in error, seriously in error.

To make a law that restricts speech based on the possible "hate" or "offense" toward a person of some faith is a law respecting an establishment of religion. WHY should I automaticly deal out or give my respects to those morons that have a huge range of faiths, from the same damn books. That brings me to this point, "christians" have been people living their lives based on some interpretation of the bible, and we've had the bleeding heart liberals through to the die hard nosed ConServatives, all from the same source words. So do not attempt to place that collection of plagerized materials as having some defined life style we all can live by. You seem to display the same flaws as all the others stuck in one "way", which way was that Mr.? A bleeding heart christian, or a hard nosed conservative? Don't dis that faith? Please define it or the diss'en be fly'en.

If we lived by the ideal present in the first article, no respect for any faith would appear in any law, including the growing restrictions against "offedning" some hysterical faith or claim, be they christian or jew. Brendan would not be in the news if Oz followed the same ideals of free speech. Why do you think it is called judeo-christian, whats the dif. Islam is the same damn story with a new accent.

I'm w/P on stating publicly, Fuck faith. Give my liberty back (drop the legal offense threats) or just try and enforce your doctrine on me. As I've pointed out, X-Ians have been the whole gambit of governments from the liberal to the hard nosed, so don't be trying to push any of your ways onto me. Agnostic? Not what you've written.

Now back to "offending" the faith of the holocaust, fuck them for believing in hearsay lies in the first place. Don't come down on me for not accepting a lie for what it is. I do not hold onto faiths of numbers of dead in ww2 which would never qualify for a prophecized "holocaust" as the jew god "wrote it".

Do I sit idlely by as others are threatened with legal persecution over debunking the faith of those all caught up in lies? No, I speak up and stand up for those willing to stand up to what they see as lies. More power to them. This was the plan for america, can we try and freakin LIVE IT.

Stand up to the muslum that 'hates' to read cartoons depicting his master, stand up to the holohoax, stand up to the bleeding heart hard nose,,, stand up for freedom to speak no matter who may become offended. Maybe their offense will snap them out of their hypnosis.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: wag on May 16, 2009, 05:19:29 AM
Their  control  IS  first  and  formost  on  the  tribe  which  is  being  ruled with  the  iron rod and  rewarded with benefits  that  come  in  form  of  privileges  in  any  sphere  of  activity and  protection  from  any  crime  if  ones points acumulated  through  the  service  to  the  tribe  warants  it . . -   They  control  us  ONLY  by  corrupting  our  govments  and  running  all  the   agencies,  departments  and
associations . .

Yes, but let's not forget the distinction between old line hebrew torah jews (becoming extinct), and the thriving khazar talmud neo-jews, who originally followed the barbarian invasions into Europe.  The latter is our subject.  They have no religion or controls but their selfish and perverted protocols of expediency.  Look at the US justice system.  It doesn't control jews; jews control it.  Look at the financial crisis.  Soros is reported to have made over $11B from last November to February.  Jews control the macro economy, and thus most folks' lifestyles.  Fewer and fewer places in the world where you can even talk about jews.  You say they control us "ONLY by corrupting" gov'ts and institutions, not to mention culture and "education".  Not much left.  I'm not sure there's a way to live in the US now without complying with (giving up freedom to) all the corrupt organizations under their control.  There control is over us, not themselves.  They don't need controls over themselves because they behave as a coordinated monolyth.  Our challenge is to find a way that doesn't involve them, or a place that doesn't have them, so that their controls become moot.   
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 16, 2009, 06:33:48 AM
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universe is uncaused, ie, it's eternal.
Again, back to cause and effect.
There is nothing uncaused.
There is no creation without a Creator.


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and your aggravation is your own problem.  You're just another in a long series of "wet behind the ears" recently radicalized loose cannons.
Moi?  'Radicalized'?
Gee, I thought I was mild mannered this whole time.

I really dont care about anyones affiliation, views, religion or race.
I do care for those that promote Justice & peace. Jews included.
Jew, Muslim, Christian, Hindu... makes little difference to me.

WHAT you are is more important to me than Who you are.
I hope my views come across in that manner.

Far as the 'wet behind the ears'...I have a Masters Degree from the school of hard knocks.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 16, 2009, 06:38:02 AM

There is no creation without a Creator.


Says you......where's you evidence for this creator?...and who created him/it and why?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 16, 2009, 06:41:51 AM
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Fuck faith. Give my liberty back
Without Faith, You have no Liberty


One reason why Faith cannot verify itself is that the world is still in the making.
In the words of St. Paul, * we see not yet all things put under ' the son of GOD, in whom nevertheless, all things consist.'
Faith endeavors to to find harmony in apparent discord.



Of course God is endlessly multi-dimensional so every religion that exists on earth represents some face, some side of God.
-Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Author Gulag Archipelago


Religion always remains higher than everyday life. In order to make the elevation towards religion easier for people, religion must be able to alter its forms in relation to the consciousness of modern man.
-Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn


Violence can only be concealed by a lie, and the lie can only be maintained by violence.
-Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn


We have arrived at an intellectual chaos.
-Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn


Woe to that nation whose literature is cut short by the intrusion of force. This is not merely interference with freedom of the press but the sealing up of a nation's heart, the excision of its memory.
-Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn


You can have power over people as long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything, he's no longer in you power.
-Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 16, 2009, 06:48:08 AM
To paraphrase St Thomas of Acquinas, Nothing from nothing, Begets Nothing.

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Whether God exists?
1 The first and more manifest way is the argument from motion.
It is certain, and evident to our senses, that in the world some things are in motion. Now whatever is in motion is put in motion by another, for nothing can be in motion except it is in potentiality to that towards which it is in motion; whereas a thing moves inasmuch as it is in act. For motion is nothing else than the reduction of something from potentiality to actuality.
But nothing can be reduced from potentiality to actuality, except by something in a state of actuality. Thus that which is actually hot, as fire, makes wood, which is potentially hot, to be actually hot, and thereby moves and changes it. Now it is not possible that the same thing should be at once in actuality and potentiality in the same respect, but only in different respects.
For what is actually hot cannot simultaneously be potentially hot; but it is simultaneously potentially cold. It is therefore impossible that in the same respect and in the same way a thing should be both mover and moved, i.e. that it should move itself.
Therefore, whatever is in motion must be put in motion by another. If that by which it is put in motion be itself put in motion, then this also must needs be put in motion by another, and that by another again. But this cannot go on to infinity, because then there would be no first mover, and, consequently, no other mover; seeing that subsequent movers move only inasmuch as they are put in motion by the first mover; as the staff moves only because it is put in motion by the hand. Therefore it is necessary to arrive at a first mover, put in motion by no other; and this everyone understands to be God.

2 The second way is from the nature of the efficient cause.
In the world of sense we find there is an order of efficient causes. There is no case known (neither is it, indeed, possible) in which a thing is found to be the efficient cause of itself; for so it would be prior to itself, which is impossible. Now in efficient causes it is not possible to go on to infinity, because in all efficient causes following in order, the first is the cause of the intermediate cause, and the intermediate is the cause of the ultimate cause, whether the intermediate cause be several, or only one.
 Now to take away the cause is to take away the effect. Therefore, if there be no first cause among efficient causes, there will be no ultimate, nor any intermediate cause.
But if in efficient causes it is possible to go on to infinity, there will be no first efficient cause, neither will there be an ultimate effect, nor any intermediate efficient causes; all of which is plainly false. Therefore it is necessary to admit a first efficient cause, to which everyone gives the name of God.

3 The third way is taken from possibility and necessity, and runs thus. We find in nature things that are possible to be and not to be, since they are found to be generated, and to corrupt, and consequently, they are possible to be and not to be.
But it is impossible for these always to exist, for that which is possible not to be at some time is not. Therefore, if everything is possible not to be, then at one time there could have been nothing in existence. Now if this were true, even now there would be nothing in existence, because that which does not exist only begins to exist by something already existing.
Therefore, if at one time nothing was in existence, it would have been impossible for anything to have begun to exist; and thus even now nothing would be in existence `” which is absurd. Therefore, not all beings are merely possible, but there must exist something the existence of which is necessary. But every necessary thing either has its necessity caused by another, or not.
Now it is impossible to go on to infinity in necessary things which have their necessity caused by another, as has been already proved in regard to efficient causes. Therefore we cannot but postulate the existence of some being having of itself its own necessity, and not receiving it from another, but rather causing in others their necessity. This all men speak of as God.

4 The fourth way is taken from the gradation to be found in things. Among beings there are some more and some less good, true, noble and the like.
But "more" and "less" are predicated of different things, according as they resemble in their different ways something which is the maximum, as a thing is said to be hotter according as it more nearly resembles that which is hottest; so that there is something which is truest, something best, something noblest and, consequently, something which is uttermost being; for those things that are greatest in truth are greatest in being, as it is written in Metaph. ii. Now the maximum in any genus is the cause of all in that genus; as fire, which is the maximum heat, is the cause of all hot things.
Therefore there must also be something which is to all beings the cause of their being, goodness, and every other perfection; and this we call God.

5 The fifth way is taken from the governance of the world. We see that things which lack intelligence, such as natural bodies, act for an end, and this is evident from their acting always, or nearly always, in the same way, so as to obtain the best result.
Hence it is plain that not fortuitously, but designedly, do they achieve their end. Now whatever lacks intelligence cannot move towards an end, unless it be directed by some being endowed with knowledge and intelligence; as the arrow is shot to its mark by the archer. Therefore some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are directed to their end; and this being we call God.


Can be demonstrated that God exists?
Demonstration can be made in two ways:
One is through the cause, and is called "a priori," and this is to argue from what is prior absolutely. The other is through the effect, and is called a demonstration "a posteriori"; this is to argue from what is prior relatively only to us. When an effect is better known to us than its cause, from the effect we proceed to the knowledge of the cause.
And from every effect the existence of its proper cause can be demonstrated, so long as its effects are better known to us; because since every effect depends upon its cause, if the effect exists, the cause must pre-exist. Hence the existence of God, in so far as it is not self-evident to us, can be demonstrated from those of His effects which are known to us.

1. The existence of God and other like truths about God, which can be known by natural reason, are not articles of faith, but are preambles to the articles; for faith presupposes natural knowledge, even as grace presupposes nature, and perfection supposes something that can be perfected. Nevertheless, there is nothing to prevent a man, who cannot grasp a proof, accepting, as a matter of faith, something which in itself is capable of being scientifically known and demonstrated.

 2. When the existence of a cause is demonstrated from an effect, this effect takes the place of the definition of the cause in proof of the cause's existence.
This is especially the case in regard to God, because, in order to prove the existence of anything, it is necessary to accept as a middle term the meaning of the word, and not its essence, for the question of its essence follows on the question of its existence. Now the names given to God are derived from His effects; consequently, in demonstrating the existence of God from His effects, we may take for the middle term the meaning of the word "God".
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 16, 2009, 07:03:51 AM
I want evidence of God's existence, ie, I want God physically defined......and until you can do that, you're as full of shit as any hardcore Jew.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 16, 2009, 07:21:21 AM
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I want evidence of God's existence
'The existence of God and other like truths about God, which can be known by natural reason, are not articles of faith, but are preambles to the articles; for faith presupposes natural knowledge, even as grace presupposes nature, and perfection supposes something that can be perfected. Nevertheless, there is nothing to prevent a man, who cannot grasp a proof, accepting, as a matter of faith, something which in itself is capable of being scientifically known and demonstrated.' 
Read St Thomas Acquinas, he addresses it better than all others.


Evidedence?
Look into a Babies eyes....if that doesnt do it for you, nothing will.

Im 'full of shit as a hardcore Jew'?
Why'
Because I believe in the GOD that came to earth to save mankind from this group he called ..'Snakes, Serpents, Liars, Vipers, Hypocrites, Of the Father the Devil, Synagogue of Satan,' and he who 'Cleansed the Temple' Whipping the money changers and those practicing USURY Out?

Youre the one as 'Full of Shit as a hardcore Jew.'

 
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 16, 2009, 08:32:05 AM
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All I want is the truth.....that'll do me fine.

Good enough approach to God for me.  Call yourself agnostic from now on, don't say thing's like 'FUCK GOD', not just because it's offensive but you might be wrong.  If you really take truth seriously you cannot rule out God.

Walt Disney:  Great list of 'proofs', however I find none of them convincing so I doubt Poggy would either.  The way I get there is:

1) The Jews are out there and apparently doing the work of the devil.  The devil definitely exists either a) in real form (supernaturally) and the Jews are his servants, or b) in the minds of the Jews who created the concept (i.e. nothing supernatural about it).
2) Either way the devil exists, the opposing force (that comes from inside us) must be God/goodness.

You don't have to believe in anything supernatural to believe in God.  Whoever wrote the Bible is apparently an order of magnitude wiser than any person I know.  I don't eliminate the God/Devil paradigm because it does explain things more simply.  The everything-is-Jew-BS paradigm that I still keep around in my head is far more complicated if you think about it.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 16, 2009, 08:35:54 AM
'The existence of God and other like truths about God, which can be known by natural reason, are not articles of faith,
 

Of course it's based on faith......as faith is the substitute for evidence.
You're fucked up paragraph offers me nothing, yet I'm supposed to trust your type.....thanks but no thanks.
The only meaningful alternative to the religious paradigm is IRIS+obj ethics......anything else and people are being discriminated against by the built in bullshit of religious dogma.
You can't start with a lie based tome/s and expect people to be honest or even know what honesty is.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 16, 2009, 08:43:51 AM
Good enough approach to God for me.  Call yourself agnostic from now on, don't say thing's like 'FUCK GOD', not just because it's offensive but you might be wrong.  If you really take truth seriously you cannot rule out God.


I've been studying philosophy for years, and I have ruled out God....you see, God is actually undefined and not subject to proof or disproof, IOW, God is nothing but an imaginary concept, and it's conceptual content depends on the mind doing the imagining.
Religious ethics and their actual practice are subjective....subjective ethics may not sound that sinister, but it means I can kill you if I want to....for any reason I deem fit, OTOH, the dictates of IRIS don't allow me to harm innocent people.

Please define God for me....otherwise you're just talking nonsense....literally.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: ThreeOfSeven on May 16, 2009, 08:48:46 AM
"If you live in America, the chances are good that your next door neighbours believe the following: the Inventor of the laws of physics and Programmer of the DNA code decided to enter the uterus of a Jewish virgin, got himself born, then deliberately had himself tortured and executed because he couldn't think of a better way to forgive the theft of an apple, committed at the instigation of a talking snake.  As Creator of the majestically expanding universe, he not only understands relativistic gravity and quantum mechanics but actually designed them.  Yet what he really cares about is 'sin,' abortion, how often you go to church, and whether gay people should marry.  Statistically, the chances are that your neighbours believe all that - and they can vote." - Richard Dawkins
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 16, 2009, 08:57:08 AM
"I dont give one damn if youve been here 50 years.

Key point there, WD.  That argument about 'being here first' is highly suspect and we've seen it before.

Besides, it means nothing in American culture who's been around the longest ... nothing whatsoever it seems, when maybe it should.

(http://img.geocaching.com/cache/97967_300.jpg)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 16, 2009, 09:02:00 AM

Besides, it means nothing in American culture who's been around the longest ... nothing whatsoever it seems, when maybe it should.

(http://img.geocaching.com/cache/97967_300.jpg)

So you want retards owning and controlling the land?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 16, 2009, 09:12:56 AM
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Seriously?

Yes, seriously.  I must work towards the Truth my own way.
I cannot accept anything 'supernatural' on faith.  That may be a handicap, but I believe it is also a virtue.  By definition, 'supernatural' is something that doesn't exist in nature.  So I've accepted Jesus' teachings but I leave open the supernatural 'begotten son of God, virgin birth, etc.'.  I do not dismiss them.  Unfortunately these are the things you need to accept on faith to get to heaven in Christianity.  So that kinda smells suspect IMO.  Nevertheless, it is clear that the world is better off after Jesus.

Ghandi also followed Jesus' teachings and because of him India is still relatively free from j-w control.  Which may have something to do with the fact that they have a population problem now.

As far as Constitution goes, we already lost it a long time ago.  Why do we have a central bank?!

I really don't have answers, and this thread was supposed to be about Brendon.  I don't know what to do about him except, let him drive his show and I'll try to see to it he gets his exposure in my small part of the world.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 16, 2009, 09:31:57 AM
"Of course it's based on faith......as faith is the substitute for evidence."

I'm working on a proof to be offered in Yilan County district court sometime after my police reports finally make it to the district prosector here in Taiwan.  Will inform if successful.

I had problems with police help back in the spring of 1999 also related to an assault, left for home following the death of my mother (also tumbling down a staircase), only to return here just in time for the 9/21/99 earthquake ... right at the epicenter.  The cop shop wasn't the only building downed.  This is just a small town in the middle of the island.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2341/2490586879_f98e4350c8_o.jpg)

The new case is much tighter and involves contract violation and use of a hired thug, and this time happened on the tenth anniversary of my mother's funeral, and on what would have been Chiang Ching Kuo's 100th birthday.  Son of Chiang Kai Shek,
he was a Christian leader of the mostly pagan, idol-worshipping Taiwanese population who readily scoff at the notion of a singlular, identifiable life force.

I left Yilan the day after a sweet 5.5 tremblor hit that city on the night of Friday, April 17th, quite intent on establishing this minorty view that we are here for a reason, and that the ROC is a legitimate democratic state in need of serious social reforms.

(http://www.geo.uib.no/seismo/quakes_world/Taiwan-earthq/Historic/taiwan-isc.gif)

I don't really believe in hell, but hey ... it can be a God-damned mafia-control mess out here!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 16, 2009, 09:36:23 AM
So you want retards owning and controlling the land?

No, most Americans voted for Obama expecting to change that situation, thus proving that retards own and control the land.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 16, 2009, 09:50:38 AM
So you want retards owning and controlling the land?

No, most Americans voted for Obama expecting to change that situation, thus proving that retards own and control the land.

My point is that primitive people have little to offer modern man.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 16, 2009, 10:54:19 AM
Yes, but let's not forget the distinction between old line hebrew torah jews (becoming extinct), and the thriving khazar talmud neo-jews, who originally followed the barbarian invasions into Europe.  The latter is our subject.  They have no religion or controls but their selfish and perverted protocols of expediency.  Look at the US justice system.  It doesn't control jews; jews control it.  Look at the financial crisis.  Soros is reported to have made over $11B from last November to February.  Jews control the macro economy, and thus most folks' lifestyles.  Fewer and fewer places in the world where you can even talk about jews.  You say they control us "ONLY by corrupting" gov'ts and institutions, not to mention culture and "education".  Not much left.  I'm not sure there's a way to live in the US now without complying with (giving up freedom to) all the corrupt organizations under their control.  There control is over us, not themselves.  They don't need controls over themselves because they behave as a coordinated monolyth.  Our challenge is to find a way that doesn't involve them, or a place that doesn't have them, so that their controls become moot.   

Well said Pete, that's IT in a nutshell.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 16, 2009, 11:08:32 AM
"If you live in America, the chances are good that your next door neighbours believe the following: the Inventor of the laws of physics and Programmer of the DNA code decided to enter the uterus of a Jewish virgin, got himself born, then deliberately had himself tortured and executed because he couldn't think of a better way to forgive the theft of an apple, committed at the instigation of a talking snake.  As Creator of the majestically expanding universe, he not only understands relativistic gravity and quantum mechanics but actually designed them.  Yet what he really cares about is 'sin,' abortion, how often you go to church, and whether gay people should marry.  Statistically, the chances are that your neighbours believe all that - and they can vote." - Richard Dawkins

He also said:

I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.
Richard Dawkins
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 16, 2009, 11:15:12 AM
My point is that primitive people have little to offer modern man.

My point is that the people who have been running America have demonstrated more raw savagery than any "primitive" people in history.  And who elects them, over and over?

What "primitive people" have to offer modern man is "living cooperatively and at peace with neighbors."  "Modern man" hasn't reached that yet.

So who are the "retards"?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Zampan0 on May 16, 2009, 11:21:19 AM
Mr. Shoshoni said:  "No, most Americans voted for Obama expecting to change that situation, thus proving that retards own and control the land."

The retards reached a critical mass about 35-40 years ago.  They just think they own and control the land.  

We are being controled by pychopathic criminals. :o

This article pretty well sum up the situation.

 :o http://www.strike-the-root.com/91/groves/groves1.html :o

(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1228/pyskt4.jpg)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 16, 2009, 11:35:17 AM
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I've been studying philosophy for years, and I have ruled out God.

Like Nietzsche?  How many years of deprogramming will it take to undo years of studying Jewish philosophers?

All it takes for me is to realize 1) the media is lying, 2) academia is lying, 3) govts are lying... BIG lies, everywhere.  If you look closely there's a pattern to the lying.  Turning Gentiles away from God is an apparent pattern (what do the holohoax and Apollo moon landings have in common?  what do Einstein & Sagan paradigms have in common?).  I have to question everything I thought I knew because of these damn jew liars.

Just keep pursuing Truth, if you really meant that.  But what I'm hearing from you is close-mindedness and entitlement that everyone should bear the burden of proof for you.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Benoit on May 16, 2009, 11:53:51 AM
Can anyone either give me a working link to the videos or post them someplace where I can download them to save and view before they're deleted?

Somebody re-uploaded them here >> http://ziofascism.net/blog/?p=1115

Download them now while you can before they are scrubbed out of the interwebs again (the video hosting site is owned by a Sarkozy buddy)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 16, 2009, 12:17:14 PM
But what I'm hearing from you is close-mindedness and entitlement that everyone should bear the burden of proof for you.

Truth is the ultimate authority and the final arbiter. 

Everyone has the burden of proof where faith is only a disclaimer for lying. 

At the core of the supreme being philosophy, is to create a collectivist mentality for control, where everyone has to submit to a higher authority on earth justified by the use of "God said", without any proof the scriptures are true to justify their divine right of authority.

The very act of claiming "God said, Jesus said,  Allah said or Government said" makes one a liar, because they have NO proof.  Scriptures, no matter which derivation, create of the same criminally insane collectivist mentality in order to justify their illegitimate authority to control another. At its core is a fraud!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 16, 2009, 01:20:46 PM
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At the core of the supreme being philosophy, is to create a collectivist mentality for control

In general I agree with your sentiments about religion, however I have a hard time believing that the intent of Christianity was control.  Jesus' teachings, if anything, went exactly and calculatingly against Talmudic tyranny's tactics which had been reigning for a thousand years at that time.

Even today, the only thing the Establishment can do to circumvent Christianity is corrupt it, cheapen it, or discredit it with disinfo, which is what we are constantly seeing.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 16, 2009, 01:43:09 PM
If Christ and GOD were no threat, he wouldnt be continually mocked and attacked to this very day, by this very crowd.
All of their attacks, war crimes, Talmudic law Supremecy... simply re affirms my faith in him.


THE PROTOCOLS
OF THE
LEARNED ELDERS
OF ZION



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PROTOCOL No. 4
1. Every republic passes through several stages. The first of these is comprised in the early days of mad raging by the blind mob, tossed hither and thither, right and left: the second is demagogy from which is born anarchy, and that leads inevitably to despotism - not any longer legal and overt, and therefore responsible despotism, but to unseen and secretly hidden, yet nevertheless sensibly felt despotism in the hands of some secret organization or other, whose acts are the more unscrupulous inasmuch as it works behind a screen, behind the backs of all sorts of agents, the changing of whom not only does not injuriously affect but actually aids the secret force by saving it, thanks to continual changes, from the necessity of expanding its resources on the rewarding of long services.

2. Who and what is in a position to overthrow an invisible force? And this is precisely what our force is. GENTILE masonry blindly serves as a screen for us and our objects, but the plan of action of our force, even its very abiding-place, remains for the whole people an unknown mystery.

WE SHALL DESTROY GOD
3. But even freedom might be harmless and have its place in the State economy without injury to the well-being of the peoples if it rested upon the foundation of faith in God, upon the brotherhood of humanity, unconnected with the conception of equality, which is negatived by the very laws of creation, for they have established subordination. With such a faith as this a people might be governed by a wardship of parishes, and would walk contentedly and humbly under the guiding hand of its spiritual pastor submitting to the dispositions of God upon earth.
This is the reason why IT IS INDISPENSABLE FOR US TO UNDERMINE ALL FAITH, TO TEAR OUT OF THE MIND OF THE "GOYIM" THE VERY PRINCIPLE OF GOD-HEAD AND THE SPIRIT, AND TO PUT IN ITS PLACE ARITHMETICAL CALCULATIONS AND MATERIAL NEEDS.

4. In order to give the GOYIM no time to think and take note, their minds must be diverted towards industry and trade. Thus, all the nations will be swallowed up in the pursuit of gain and in the race for it will not take note of their common foe. But again, in order that freedom may once for all disintegrate and ruin the communities of the GOYIM, we must put industry on a speculative basis: the result of this will be that what is withdrawn from the land by industry will slip through the hands and pass into speculation, that is, to our classes.

5. The intensified struggle for superiority and shocks delivered to economic life will create, nay, have already created, disenchanted, cold and heartless communities. Such communities will foster a strong aversion towards the higher political and towards religion. Their only guide is gain, that is Gold, which they will erect into a veritable cult, for the sake of those material delights which it can give.
Then will the hour strike when, not for the sake of attaining the good, not even to win wealth, but solely out of hatred towards the privileged, the lower classes of the GOYIM will follow our lead against our rivals for power, the intellectuals of the GOYIM.



Protocol 5
1. What form of administrative rule can be given to communities in which corruption has penetrated everywhere, communities where riches are attained only by the clever surprise tactics of semi-swindling tricks; where loseness reigns: where morality is maintained by penal measures and harsh laws but not by voluntarily accepted principles: where the feelings towards faith and country are obligated by cosmopolitan convictions? What form of rule is to be given to these communities if not that despotism which I shall describe to you later?
We shall create an intensified centralization of government in order to grip in our hands all the forces of the community. We shall regulate mechanically all the actions of the political life of our subjects by new laws. These laws will withdraw one by one all the indulgences and liberties which have been permitted by the GOYIM, and our kingdom will be distinguished by a despotism of such magnificent proportions as to be at any moment and in every place in a position to wipe out any GOYIM who oppose us by deed or word.

2. We shall be told that such a despotism as I speak of is not consistent with the progress of these days, but I will prove to you that it is.

3. In the times when the peoples looked upon kings on their thrones as on a pure manifestation of the will of God, they submitted without a murmur to the despotic power of kings: but from the day when we insinuated into their minds the conception of their own rights they began to regard the occupants of thrones as mere ordinary mortals. The holy unction of the Lord's Anointed has fallen from the heads of kings in the eyes of the people, and when we also robbed them of their faith in God the might of power was flung upon the streets into the place of public proprietorship and was seized by us.

MASSES LED BY LIES
4. Moreover, the art of directing masses and individuals by means of cleverly manipulated theory and verbiage, by regulations of life in common and all sorts of other quirks, in all which the GOYIM understand nothing, belongs likewise to the specialists of our administrative brain. Reared on analysis, observation, on delicacies of fine calculation, in this species of skill we have no rivals, any more than we have either in the drawing up of plans of political actions and solidarity.
In this respect the Jesuits alone might have compared with us, but we have contrived to discredit them in the eyes of the unthinking mob as an overt organization, while we ourselves all the while have kept our secret organization in the shade. However, it is probably all the same to the world who is its sovereign lord, whether the head of Catholicism or our despot of the blood of Zion! But to us, the Chosen People, it is very far from being a matter of indifference.

5. FOR A TIME PERHAPS WE MIGHT BE SUCCESSFULLY DEALT WITH BY A COALITION OF THE "GOYIM" OF ALL THE WORLD: but from this danger we are secured by the discord existing among them whose roots are so deeply seated that they can never now be plucked up. We have set one against another the personal and national reckonings of the GOYIM, religious and race hatreds, which we have fostered into a huge growth in the course of the past twenty centuries. This is the reason why there is not one State which would anywhere receive support if it were to raise its arm, for every one of them must bear in mind that any agreement against us would be unprofitable to itself. We are too strong - there is no evading our power. THE NATIONS CANNOT COME TO EVEN AN INCONSIDERABLE PRIVATE AGREEMENT WITHOUT OUR SECRETLY HAVING A HAND IN IT.

6. PER ME REGES REGNANT. "It is through me that Kings reign." And it was said by the prophets that we were chosen by God Himself to rule over the whole earth.
God has endowed us with genius that we may be equal to our task. Were genius in the opposite camp it would still struggle against us, but even so, a newcomer is no match for the old-established settler: the struggle would be merciless between us, such a fight as the world has never seen. Aye, and the genius on their side would have arrived too late. All the wheels of the machinery of all States go by the force of the engine, which is in our hands, and that engine of the machinery of States is - Gold. The science of political economy invented by our learned elders has for long past been giving royal prestige to capital.

MONOPOLY CAPITAL
7. Capital, if it is to co-operate untrammeled, must be free to establish a monopoly of industry and trade: this is already being put in execution by an unseen hand in all quarters of the world. This freedom will give political force to those engaged in industry, and that will help to oppress the people.
Nowadays it is more important to disarm the peoples than to lead them into war: more important to use for our advantage the passions which have burst into flames than to quench their fire: more important to eradicate them. THE PRINCIPLE OBJECT OF OUR DIRECTORATE CONSISTS IN THIS: TO DEBILITATE THE PUBLIC MIND BY CRITICISM; TO LEAD IT AWAY FROM SERIOUS REFLECTIONS CALCULATED TO AROUSE RESISTANCE; TO DISTRACT THE FORCES OF THE MIND TOWARDS A SHAM FIGHT OF EMPTY ELOQUENCE.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 16, 2009, 03:23:29 PM
Interesting find Benoit!

Brendon O`Connell`s Suppressed Videos

Brendon O`Connell`s actions are very straight - forward and effective. In the age of under $200 high definition video cameras, the age of the people`s journalist is here.

TPTB are particularly afraid of this approach because it unmasks the Zionist J-w completely. There is no mistaking what you are seeing.

If this caught on and people everywhere started confronted the lying Zionists, maybe we can save them from themselves, shame them into maybe waking up. At the least, it is a compelling warning to the `Goyim`.

I don`t believe in blaming all J-ws, and O`Connell walks a fine line, but I believe he is in the right.

These videos were still up on YouTube last night. Having heard of his arrest, I decided someone should save them. Sure enough, today they have disappeared.

From everywhere but here: http://ziofascism.net/blog/?p=1115

Note some replies:

Fredd
May 14th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

The info that O`Connell propagates may be correct, but he may be a disinfo agent working with Hufschmid, according to Poseidon from http://www.takeourworldback.com:

    `FugaziQuo is Michael `Fugazi` Stewart of Queensland, Australia and Jim `PlanetQuo` Kerr of Sheffield, England. Another person who works with them is Brendon O`Connell of Perth, Western Australia who uses handles like QuoTodt at the Argue With Everyone forum. Like Kerr, O`Connell is a fan of Hufschmid who has `moved beyond 9/11″.

    http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/members/quotodt.html

    [In 2007, Kerr declared O`Connell to be a `Zionist shill`. Now, they are working together and O`Connell promotes fugaziquo.com, is in correspondence with Kerr and has his videos backed up on Kerr`s servers.]

    Like Kerr, O`Connell is a fan of Hufschmid who has `moved beyond 9/11″.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/user/QuoTodt/video/x8ybo8?hmz=707265766e657874

    In the above video O`Connell announces that he is working with fugaziquo, and gives the link to their website at 1:15. However, a couple of years ago Jim Kerr posed as an `enemy` of O`Connell. These are statements by Kerr:

    `I stand by what I have written and will not, under any circumstances, retract any of it.`

    `O`Connell, like his fellow Perth resident and ally Crimes of Zion, has some very strange ideas about Alex Jones. While Brendon O`Connell and James Linton are the anti-Zionist movement`s equivalent of Laurel and Hardy, I`m not laughing at the antics of these two clowns. The only people who are laughing at the moment are the Zionists on whose behalf these two entities operate. O`Connell and Linton pretend to be anti-Zionists, but both entities are about as genuine as a $3 note or a Russian CD on eBay.`

    `Brendon O`Connell, like James Linton, is a proven liar and deceiver. Both are frauds - two peas from the same Zionist pod. The enemy within. Neither belong in any truth movement since truth is a concept that is alien to both.`

    Google Kerr Hufschmid Lithuanian or see my pages:
    http://www.planetquo.info
    http://www.planetquo.info/bunkdequod.htm
    http://www.planetquo.info/quostrippedbare.htm

    (details of a trap I set up which proved Kerr was working with Hufschmid and forced him to release email correspondence; also Kerr`s amusing claim to be a `one-armed electrician` who was able to `retire at age 45″)

More at the link...
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 16, 2009, 03:40:45 PM
Mr. Shoshoni said:  No, most Americans voted for Obama expecting to change that situation, thus proving that retards own and control the land.

The retards reached a critical mass about 35-40 years ago.  They just think they own and control the land.


As long as they vote, they control the land.  They turn over that control to:

We are being controlled by psychopathic criminals.

I'm not part of that "we," thanks.

This article pretty well sum up the situation:

http://www.strike-the-root.com/91/groves/groves1.html


Quote
1.  A president who started two aggressive wars, who bears responsibility for the loss of thousands of American lives along with hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and Afghan lives, leaves office as a free man without a felony record or any negative repercussions.

2.  Meanwhile, the same populace that has intimate experience with lying politicians appears utterly smitten with a smooth-talking new president promising change and demanding sacrifice.

3.  The Congress, which had an approval rate of 14% and which just passed a $700 billion bailout over the objections of a majority of Americans, had a re-election rate exceeding 95%.

4.  Untold millions of Americans voice support of military troops as these very people are needlessly killed, injured, and separated from their families and productive work at home.

5.  A general populace believed that buying unproductive assets, like housing, could make them wealthy, forever, without any coherent explanation why.

6.  Researchers who pursue alternative explanations for AIDS and cancer get their funding cut and have the results of their research squelched, while others who try to improve life by providing healthful foods find themselves under attack.

And who gave the psychopaths the power to do that?  "Retards."  "Civilized people."  People who are not "primitive."

They're not "civilized," they're savages, and socially and politically retarded.

Australia's bushmen are more civilized.  American voters are domesticated, not "civilized."

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Overt criminality by leaders and passive, unclear thinking by the proles have become the norm.

Exactly.  And "passive, unclear thinking" put the criminals in power.

Quote
If people like this could make their way to the highest levels of power, what does that say about lower offices? 

What does it say about the "civilized society" and "modern man" who put them in office in the first place?

The land is controlled by the voters.  Those who get elected are a reflection of the desires of the voters.  Politicians pander to those desires during their campaigns, and their respective political parties foster those desires and make them campaign issues, and the voters buy into it.

So talk to me about "So you want retards owning and controlling the land?" and "primitive people have little to offer modern man."  Who is more "primitive" ~ the man who takes his sharpened stick "shovel" and helps his neighbor cultivate the soil, or the man who pushes the buttons on a machine that makes bullets and the buttons on another machine that elects a psychopath who recruits more psychopaths to shoot those bullets at his neighbors?

Get a copy of "Battle for Haditha" from Netflix at http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Battle_for_Haditha/70081082?trkid=226870 and take a closer look at how the American people are being "represented" in the eastern hemisphere ~ all over the eastern hemisphere, Iraq is only one place where Bush and Obama's sponsors and cadres are deploying American forces.

The American voter sent them to Washington to do that.  As your article points out, "Congress had a re-election rate exceeding 95%."

So who are the "primitive people" who "have little to offer modern man"?

When was the last time that Afghanistan invaded another country?  When was the last time that Iran invaded another country?  Who divided up the oil lands of the Middle East after World War I and installed psychopaths as the "governments" of newly-created countries?

The Bush administration was convinced that Saddam Hussein had "weapons of mass destruction" because previous American administrations had given them to Saddam Hussein, paid for with American tax dollars from ~ you guessed it ~ the American voters, "modern man."

And 95% of the people who brought you Gulf War I and Gulf War II and the invasion of Afghanistan ~ and the continuing hundred-year rape of Palestine and a continuing effort to destroy local libertarian control of local communities in Somalia ~ were sent back to Congress to do it some more by ~ you guessed it ~ the American voters, "modern man."

America doesn't need a revolution, it needs a complete collapse.  And it looks like it just might happen.  Maybe then people will start thinking again about this "modern man" that has been running rampant over the globe for four centuries now, and murdered more people in the Twentieth Century than were murdered in all of human history before that.

"Industrial genocide" is not a sign of human progress.  It sure isn't "civilization."
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: amonvanroark on May 16, 2009, 03:43:46 PM
I read this over at AWE earlier in the day.

Yet more muddying of the waters. Are the statements made about Change in the post you c/pd to here true, or disinformation?  (http://www.proxywhore.com/invboard/style_emoticons/default/scratchinghead.gif)

Small wonder that those such as us are making so little progress; it seems that most trust is misplaced. One knows not who is to be trusted, and who is affiliated with whom.

Such seeds of distrust are so easily sown!

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 16, 2009, 04:27:21 PM
Once again I enjoyed reading another excellent post of yours. What can I say ~ brilliant.

One word caught my particular attention, I have never been sure whether I should call people stupid or just plain uninformed. And then you gave me the word I had been looking for: 'domesticated'. That word describes it succinctly ~ and I don't have to use the word 'stupid'. Thank you.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 16, 2009, 04:43:16 PM
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Small wonder that those such as us are making so little progress; it seems that most trust is misplaced. One knows not who is to be trusted, and who is affiliated with whom.

Such seeds of distrust are so easily sown!

It is quite possible that they are are discrediting QT, after all, what exposure, these tapes are all over the net getting a lot of attention!

The posts made at ZioFascism could be 'damage control'. Who knows....
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 16, 2009, 05:16:55 PM
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  `Brendon O`Connell, like James Linton, is a proven liar and deceiver. Both are frauds - two peas from the same Zionist pod. The enemy within. Neither belong in any truth movement since truth is a concept that is alien to both.`

Dont like the message, attack the messenger(s)....Old Zio tactic. 
Brandon and those like him, pose a threat.
Intelligent, articulate with a powerful message of Justice.
He has charisma, he is charming and a decent looking chap=Threat

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: amonvanroark on May 16, 2009, 06:05:43 PM
It is quite possible that they are are discrediting QT, after all, what exposure, these tapes are all over the net getting a lot of attention!

The posts made at ZioFascism could be 'damage control'. Who knows....

I was here when all the DBS, Fugazzi (sp), Whippette, foolishness went down.

Perhaps you were not, as you were absent from here for a protracted period of time in the past.

What happened at the time is that the above mentioned, and others showed up, within a few days, and attempted to destroy this place. Change appeared to fight back; (it became largely personal with him, as it always does about two months after he joins, or rejoins a forum) however I was never satisfied with the manner in which the conversations progressed; they seemed rather contrived.

In the end, a few of the attackers were banned, and the rest were chased off.

Change has an interesting way of operating, from what I have seen over the last few years.

He shows up and talks relatively sensible for about a month, then becomes more and more demanding in the following month, then goes right off the deep end, accusing all and sundry of being jews, the final month. Then he is banned.
This has happened three times already at this board; I suspect that others have done the same.

It also seems to be, that when he has shown up here in the past two incarnations, he has latched on to various women posters (likely they like his 'bad boy' attitude) to further his agenda, whatever it may be.

In destroying himself, he also destroys the women who support him.

The return of 'dominique' was halted after she and Brendon started posting under the same account; America, who was a great jewoligist, left and was suspended after she took up with him.

From what I can understand of Brendon, he is a person who needs constant self directed attention.

He has stated numerous times as to how his privacy has been violated by the local police, and jew groups; could you countenance living under those conditions?

Is this reality, or fantasy?   (http://www.proxywhore.com/invboard/style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: ThreeOfSeven on May 16, 2009, 07:14:32 PM
Somebody re-uploaded them here >> http://ziofascism.net/blog/?p=1115

Download them now while you can before they are scrubbed out of the interwebs again (the video hosting site is owned by a Sarkozy buddy)

Thanks.  I downloaded them for later viewing.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 16, 2009, 07:22:53 PM
Re: genocided original inhabitants of the New World circa 1492 and their decendants:

"So you want retards owning and controlling the land?"

You really have a way with words.  I'll bet you have a shotgun by the door, too.

The same 'logic' could be applied to stubborn Palestinians who refuse to export themselves to other lands.  They too have 'devolved' in the process of accomodating invasion, displacement and ambitions of the resident 'superintendents' who've gained control ... while turning them to violence, impoversishment and poor physical health.

Are you Israeli, or just a heartless, wannabe kike?

If native Americans had been in left in charge, oh brilliant one, America wouldn't be up Shit's Creek without a paddle today.

Aside from all the undermining in favor of homicidal invasion, there's quite a difference between technological mastery and intended human purpose.  D'uh.

What's there to compare to, anyways ... Malaysia?

(http://www.jeffooi.com/NEP_Hisham_Keris.jpg) 
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 16, 2009, 07:51:31 PM

Just keep pursuing Truth, if you really meant that.  But what I'm hearing from you is close-mindedness and entitlement that everyone should bear the burden of proof for you.

We're discussing whether or not God exists, but due to your brainwashing and disregard for basic philosophy and thinking skills, you think I'm closed minded for asking that you DEFINE what we're talking about.
How can anyone prove or disprove something that's UNDEFINED?
We don't need the fear of God to be moral, all we need is the fear of man and a proper set of ethics, but because of the confusion that religion creates, and the subordinance to its dictates, people are willing to accept illegitimate government and religious control.

I agree with you that the authorities are lying to us......and this is why I endorse the notion of people studying philosophy and basic science, and if you'd have done this you would've rejected the "God concept" in favour of IRIS+obj ethics.


Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 16, 2009, 07:59:24 PM

Are you Israeli, or just a heartless, wannabe kike?

If native Americans had been in left in charge, oh brilliant one, America wouldn't be up Shit's Creek without a paddle today.


No, I'm someone who's aware that we need a balance between harmony with nature and technology......primitive man was all about mindless harmony with nature, and modern society is obsessed with technological progress regardless of the cost to nature.


Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: clayman on May 16, 2009, 08:05:09 PM
primitive man was all about mindless harmony with nature

LOL!  Talk about a pop culture understanding of history.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 16, 2009, 08:09:54 PM

The very act of claiming "God said, Jesus said,  Allah said or Government said" makes one a liar, because they have NO proof.  Scriptures, no matter which derivation, create of the same criminally insane collectivist mentality in order to justify their illegitimate authority to control another. At its core is a fraud!

We also don't need Jesus to say anything, we're all adults, we've all experienced the ups and downs of life, so we have our own levels of wisdom, we no longer need a messiah.....all we really need is basic thinking skills, then we can become as wise as we choose.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 16, 2009, 08:13:15 PM
primitive man was all about mindless harmony with nature

LOL!  Talk about a pop culture understanding of history.

You're welcome to go and live in the bush minus electricty, modern transport, modern communications, modern medicine etc, etc.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 16, 2009, 08:24:48 PM
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I was here when all the DBS, Fugazzi (sp), Whippette, foolishness went down. Perhaps you were not, as you were absent from here for a protracted period of time in the past.

While still on LF, I did click in to Nola every so often. Some posters here contacted me on occasion for one thing or another. A poster called 'Whipette' I have seen, but who she was, or what she stood for, I do not know.

Q-todt  posted as Q-Vadis on LF. Once or twice I commented on something, I don't remember what, no reply as I recall. He did not stick around for too long. Whatever name he came back with next time, he flagged me to the post about contrails.

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What happened at the time is that the above mentioned, and others showed up, within a few days, and attempted to destroy this place. Change appeared to fight back; (it became largely personal with him, as it always does about two months after he joins, or rejoins a forum) however I was never satisfied with the manner in which the conversations progressed; they seemed rather contrived.

In the end, a few of the attackers were banned, and the rest were chased off.

That part I missed.

Quote
Change has an interesting way of operating, from what I have seen over the last few years.

He shows up and talks relatively sensible for about a month, then becomes more and more demanding in the following month, then goes right off the deep end, accusing all and sundry of being jews, the final month. Then he is banned.

I also remember his tirades against 'Tgambill'. I don't remember if he was banned, he may have been and then re-appeared as 'change'. 

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This has happened three times already at this board; I suspect that others have done the same.

It also seems to be, that when he has shown up here in the past two incarnations, he has latched on to various women posters (likely they like his 'bad boy' attitude) to further his agenda, whatever it may be.

In destroying himself, he also destroys the women who support him.

Strange character trait. I have all my PM's including all my replies from day 1. He knew I lived in Perth for almost a year and had sent me some pictures now and again. He also knew the district I lived in and promised to make a video. Out of the blue he started attacking ET and myself. To this day I have no idea how this came about. It's a total blank.

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The return of 'dominique' was halted after she and Brendon started posting under the same account; America, who was a great jewoligist, left and was suspended after she took up with him.

From what I can understand of Brendon, he is a person who needs constant self directed attention.

WOW.... That is very interesting. There seems to be a similarity in the their final postings, here and on LF.

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He has stated numerous times as to how his privacy has been violated by the local police, and jew groups; could you countenance living under those conditions?

No, I can't, I think that would have freaked me out.

Is this reality, or fantasy?   (http://www.proxywhore.com/invboard/style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: NOLAJBS on May 16, 2009, 09:20:25 PM
I think this thread needs something. Oh yeah, I have an idea:



I feel better about this thread already. :)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 17, 2009, 01:09:57 AM
I feel better about this thread already.

Uh ... yeah.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Zampan0 on May 17, 2009, 04:58:25 AM
Dear Mr. Shoshoni,


    I think you are a bit hard on Americans.  All people are pretty much the same the world over.  This article just illustrates what has been said on these boards many times before; i.e.,  it only takes a small percentage of the populace to make major changes in society.  This is so true.  However we normal people being the the good folk that we are, let the wool be put over our eyes by approx. 6% of the population and a further 12% that joined them. It took them a while, Communism/Zionism has been gaining power and calling the shots ever more so  since Woodrow Wilson.  I guess there is some hope, but I doubt it.  I have a better idea.  b.t.w.  Did you ever read 'Vote Fraud'?

Here's the "hope" part from the author;

 "Our battle for liberty appears not just as a conflict between those who want freedom versus those who want control, but instead as the battle between normal people and the psychopaths.  I have found incredible explanatory power of our world within the psychopathic hypothesis:  The world feels wrong because psychopaths run it.  In a country trained to discount and ridicule all ideas more than a standard deviation from the average, coherent explanations of observable social phenomena don`t get much press.   Without understanding physical laws, we would never have gained the massive improvements in our quality of life from technological developments.  Similarly, without understanding our social systems, we will never escape from the tyranny unleashed on us by psychopaths.  We should spread the word and explore this rich vein of thought with vigor."

Here's my idea;  Leave if you can.




'Why Does the World Feel Wrong?'

by Will Groves

Exclusive to STR

January 27, 2009   

Consider these events:   

1.  A president who started two aggressive wars, who bears responsibility for the loss of thousands of American lives along with hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and Afghan lives, leaves office as a free man without a felony record or any negative repercussions.

2.  Meanwhile, the same populace that has intimate experience with lying politicians appears utterly smitten with a smooth-talking new president promising change and demanding sacrifice.

3.  The Congress, which had an approval rate of 14% and which just passed a $700 billion bailout over the objections of a majority of Americans, had a re-election rate exceeding 95%.

4.  Untold millions of Americans voice support of military troops as these very people are needlessly killed, injured, and separated from their families and productive work at home.

5.  A general populace believed that buying unproductive assets, like housing, could make them wealthy, forever, without any coherent explanation why.

6.  Researchers who pursue alternative explanations for AIDS and cancer get their funding cut and have the results of their research squelched, while others who try to improve life by providing healthful foods find themselves under attack.   

Overt criminality by leaders and passive, unclear thinking by the proles have become the norm.  The two go together, creating a symbiotic ecosystem of tyranny.  Fraud, theft, and murder have become widespread, just as the scale of lies told and believed have reached new heights.  Irresponsibility has become socialized while people in the honest pursuit of good get thwarted.   

Those of us who want little more than peace and freedom don`t run the world.  Pursuing freedom contradicts controlling others, so we can reason that people who pursue power have some motivations separate from our own.   

I have not fully comprehended the implications of this until recently.   Despite all the evidence to the contrary, I had assumed that the people who wield power feel similarly about moral issues as I do`”I just couldn`t see why they commit and justify unethical behavior.  I already knew that states operate according to a code that the rest of us don`t follow in our own lives.  Nevertheless, I assumed that a man who acts without regard to moral laws must feel guilty about it.  Then, one day, I stumbled onto this idea:  Suppose he doesn`t.     

With only small ambitions, he probably behaves like a common criminal, a predator.  He lies to gain advantage, uses force to get his way, and steals without conscience.  Not feeling guilty about unethical behavior motivates him to instigate further criminal acts.   

Small crime operations have one big problem, namely, the risk of getting caught.  The prospect of prison appears unappealing, yet even with the high likelihood of arrest and capture during a career, common criminals approach their field with little sophistication and often pay the price.  Other like-minded people see ways to avoid these problems.  Just as normal people develop interests growing up and figure out how to pursue them at higher levels, a criminal mind can do the same.  With greater intelligence and patience, he can pursue an ambitious career of criminality.  With this objective in sight, one can easily see the state as the most expedient means to accomplish it.   

Once a criminal joins forces with the state by becoming an employee, he can lie to his advantage, use force to get his way, and steal without conscience, just as the small-time operator does.  The opportunities for mischief have no limits through thoughtful job selection.  For example, if a man took pleasure in making innocent people squirm, he could become a police officer and plant evidence.  For another, if he wanted to murder people, he could become a military officer and `accidentally` call in the coordinates of a house he`d like to see bombed.  Whatever they do, the state shields them from the natural consequences of their actions.  In all likelihood, if smart, they never get caught, never get punished, and probably get commended.   

Too often, I have assumed that the people working for the state take the jobs only because of the easy hours and good pay, benefits, and retirement.  For the predator, though, it offers all these things with the appetizing fringe benefit of satisfying their criminal urges without the risk of retribution.   

It turns out this personality type has a scientific name:  psychopathic.  Lest you think I merely kid you, I quote from Scientific American:   

Superficially charming, psychopaths tend to make a good first impression on others and often strike observers as remarkably normal. Yet they are self-centered, dishonest and undependable, and at times they engage in irresponsible behavior for no apparent reason other than the sheer fun of it. Largely devoid of guilt, empathy and love, they have casual and callous interpersonal and romantic relationships. Psychopaths routinely offer excuses for their reckless and often outrageous actions, placing blame on others instead. They rarely learn from their mistakes or benefit from negative feedback, and they have difficulty inhibiting their impulses.   

This seems like a nearly perfect description of those who seek political power.  That same article goes on to say that fields over-represented by psychopaths may include `politics, business and entertainment. Yet the scientific evidence for this intriguing conjecture is preliminary.`  It turns out that much stronger evidence for this exists than the article lets on.   

In the book Political Ponerology, Andrew Lobaczewski claims that about 6% of the people within a population have psychopathic characters.  The implications of this, which he recognized soon after World War II, stagger the mind.  Moreover, he suggests that another 12% of the population has high susceptibility to psychopathic thought.  In a world dominated by hierarchical structures, these people sieze control of the key positions and create a so-called `pathocracy.`  Lobaczewski continues, writing in ways that clearly anticipate the current reality:   

Within this [pathocratic] system, the common man is blamed for not having been born a psychopath, and is considered good for nothing except hard work, fighting and dying to protect a system of government he can neither sufficiently comprehend nor ever consider to be his own. An ever-strengthening network of psychopathic and related individuals gradually starts to dominate, overshadowing the others.   

Normal people have not considered the possibility that some people who seem ordinary could have no moral inhibitions.  They default to believing that their leaders have good intentions.  Employees of psychopaths thus carry out plans of their bosses blinded to the reality.  No matter the scope of the `failure,` the leadership can always point back to their stated good intentions and shield themselves from the gallows.  In fact, the more harm they create, the stronger the call becomes to vest more power in their failed agency so they can `prevent` anything of the sort from ever happening again.   

Their MO focuses on figuring out how much they can get away with, and we see no signs they have begun to approach the limits the public will accept.  Irrespective of the ordeals they create, the vast majority of people give them the benefit of the doubt time and time again and continue in their support of the system.  This belief among good people led to the democide of the 20th Century that continues unabated today.   

After considering the possibility that psychopaths have taken control of society, we find volumes of evidence to support the hypothesis.  Did Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot sympathize with their victims or have any sense of guilt?  More recently, among Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, or Clinton , can we point to one who even exhibits a façade resembling normality?  Obviously not`”these lists name one person after another who has zero accountability to a rational morality.  If people like this could make their way to the highest levels of power, what does that say about lower offices?   

It suggests people like this have control over the levers of power everywhere.  We live at a time when the population at large cannot achieve its wants, yet few seem to know why.  As one example, polls consistently indicate that educational matters concern the public, yet decade after decade, schooling gets quantitatively worse.  What a mystery!  Evidently, if we believe our well-meaning masters, 2,000 years of Western civilization has not yet determined effective ways to transmit key knowledge to younger generations.   However, what happens if we suspend our belief in their benevolence for a moment and consider other possibilities?  If schools fail to achieve their stated goals over several decades, might some groups see this as a success?   

Inhibiting critical thinking in the masses obviously benefits the state and psychopaths.  When overtly self-serving, irresponsible, illegal, immoral, irrational behavior gets treated as normal, we can conclude that the educational system works quite well for our masters.  I have given but one example, yet the multitude of state functions exists to provide every variety of psychopathic interest with a job.  Moreover, we should consider that the state not only acts like a recruitment center for psychopaths, but that psychopaths probably invented the state to take advantage of the rest of us.  I can give you no better explanation for the existence of an organization that fails in every ethical dimension and invokes psychopathic thinking at every turn than this.   

Our battle for liberty appears not just as a conflict between those who want freedom versus those who want control, but instead as the battle between normal people and the psychopaths.  I have found incredible explanatory power of our world within the psychopathic hypothesis:  The world feels wrong because psychopaths run it.  In a country trained to discount and ridicule all ideas more than a standard deviation from the average, coherent explanations of observable social phenomena don`t get much press.   Without understanding physical laws, we would never have gained the massive improvements in our quality of life from technological developments.  Similarly, without understanding our social systems, we will never escape from the tyranny unleashed on us by psychopaths.  We should spread the word and explore this rich vein of thought with vigor.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Zionistexposer on May 17, 2009, 07:21:46 AM
Here's what happened over at that Canadian 9/11 Truth site.

I posted a comment in this thread:

http://www.mtl911truth.org/?p=1490 (http://www.mtl911truth.org/?p=1490)

...as Poseidon in response to a couple of shill posters, ronmossad who said the nano-thermite evidence was a "total non-story", and steve collier who was trying to peddle the judy wood "phasers / space beam weapons" distraction. The poster Fredd - who likes my work and tends to agree with me on who is and isn't honest in the truth movement - began asking about FugaziQuo. (That time, it took two or three days for the comment to show up, so I posted four increasingly abbreviated replies.) The discussion about FugaziQuo then shifted across to a more relevant thread on their Bishop Takes Knight video.

http://www.mtl911truth.org/?p=1610 (http://www.mtl911truth.org/?p=1610)

I posted on how Brendon O'Connell was now working with FugaziQuo and was promoting their work, after they were supposedly "enemies". In fact, BOC even says that he emails Jim "PlanetQuo" Kerr and has his videos backed up on Kerr's servers. A couple of years ago, Kerr had a page on one of his websites declaring Brendon to be a "Zionist agent", together with false claims that Brendon also operated as the posters Crimes of Zion and Fester/Lotus at WakeUpFromYourSlumber. In fact, they're three different people, although CoZ and BOC both live in Perth, Western Australia. Here are some amusing quotes by PlanetQuo:

`I stand by what I have written and will not, under any circumstances, retract any of it.`

`O`Connell, like his fellow Perth resident and ally Crimes of Zion, has some very strange ideas about Alex Jones. While Brendon O`Connell and James Linton are the anti-Zionist movement`s equivalent of Laurel and Hardy, I`m not laughing at the antics ot these two clowns. The only people who are laughing at the moment are the Zionists on whose behalf these two entities operate. O`Connell and Linton pretend to be anti-Zionists, but both entities are about as genuine as a $3 note or a Russian CD on eBay.`

`Brendon O`Connell, like James Linton, is a proven liar and deceiver. Both are frauds - two peas from the same Zionist pod. The enemy within. Neither belong in any truth movement since truth is a concept that is alien to both.`

"Darko is part of the NOLAJBS set-up, and the 'fights' he/she has had with the NOLAJBS admin are all staged!!!! When Darko reinvented themselves as Quo Vadius, nobody at NOLAJBS noticed or cared."

"Fester is not UAZ. He is COZ/Quo Vadius etc etc etc etc"

"Of all the personae that would fit Smith, Masher has the best credentials! I take your point about Fester being Lotus, but would add that since COZ is Fester, then he must also therefore be Lotus too! In any case, it`s all academic. Linton is O`Connell, and that is what interests me most." :)

Jim Kerr's planetquo.com has turned into a porn site.

After Brendon found he was being talked about in the Bishop Takes Knight thread, he stole Fredd's handle to post some comments, then followed up with a couple under his own name. The original Fredd is the one whose handle doesn't link to takeourworldback.com, and has counterclockwise arrows in the corners of the image (generated from email address).

And there was the fight on this forum between PlanetQuo and Brendon O'Connell, with the latter starting a thread about "our 'armless friend". Kerr professed to be a "one-armed electrician" who was able to retire at age 45, a claim which I don't think was ever supposed to be taken too seriously. The claim of being "relatively armless" was evidently to generate him some sympathy (as Netanyahu knew 9/11 would do for Israel) and as a weapon with which to attack his opponents when they teased him about it (as Jews attack truth-tellers who explain that the "holocaust" was a hoax).

Eric Hufschmid, a common factor in a lot of these fights, has the "Medusa touch". People who so much as correspond with him, as did BOC and PlanetQuo, end up the worse for wear, suspecting almost everyone of being "Zionist agents". Real shills would like to disrupt forums, but would they act like PlanetQuo and Brendon O'Connell?

Hufschmid, BTW, has a page about his Patriot Dames interview in which an anonymous person supposedly "analyzes" the interview, but the anonymous person's writing is exactly like the writing of Hufschmid. For example, the writer cites Michael Collins Piper as an example of a "Jewish criminal"!
 
http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/FromOthers/Patriot-Dames-analysis.html (http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/FromOthers/Patriot-Dames-analysis.html)

Jews claim that Brendon O'Connell has been threatening and harassing them for years.

http://www.rudistettner.com/2009/05/brendon-oconnell-hate-crimes-followup.html (http://www.rudistettner.com/2009/05/brendon-oconnell-hate-crimes-followup.html)

Although Brendon has declared that I needed a "bullet", it is possible that he has good intentions but is something of a loose cannon who has been misled by Hufschmid. The protest against Israeli oranges was a good idea. BOC shouldn't be fined or jailed for making videos  but if he loses his temper and lets his confrontations with Jews develop too far, he is playing into the hands of the Zionists by providing them with the "anti-Semitism" that Herzl admitted they so desperately need.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 17, 2009, 08:51:51 AM
WOW....  :o
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 17, 2009, 08:52:35 AM
Brendon O'Connell, Hate Crimes Followup
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_CVvzfQWvKLo/SgxWNX41t6I/AAAAAAAAAu4/BKFFsCh031k/s1600-h/966711166_06f5041342.jpg)

Yesterday, I reported to an American audience a legal case that is widely known of in Australia. A man named Brendon O'Connell put up anti Jewish diatribes on You Tube, for which he was charged with hate crimes under Australian law. I got two replies, one to Rudistettner.com and the other on Rantrave.com. Both comments took issue with my conclusions. Both comments raise serious questions. Both comments came from members of the Perth Jewish community and offer background not mentioned in the mainstream media. Gedalia responded as follows.

"I have had a personal encounter with Brendan - not pleasant. He has physically threatened people, and is quite capable of crazy actions. I agree that a person should not be arrested for their attitude. However when that attitude is expressed in a way that is potentially harmful (in a very real sense) to other people, then the situation changes. As the article notes, only 2 people have been charged under this legislation, showing that it is only applied in instances of absolute necessity. You only need to watch his latest video posting to see that in this case, the charge was quite justified"

On Rantrave.com, Perthguy posted the following reply.

"And I have news for you. Hate crimes have taken place. This lunatic has threatened the lives of men, women and children in the Jewish community, personally, by phone and email. On the very night he was charged, he rang a Perth based Jewish centre and told them he was coming around to "finish them off". The centre, which was full of children, had to have a police guard. This is beyond harassment. This guy hasn't just made videos out of the blue in the background, like the media is making out. He's being assaulting and threatening to kill Jews, in person, by email and by telephone, for almost a decade."

Both Gedalia and Perthguy rounded out the picture with accounts of a ten year campaign of harassment by O'Connell. Non stop harassment, assaults and even threatening the staff and children in a day care centre are criminal behavior. The presence of a police guard at the day care centre is proof that the public suffered expense. The fear and anxiety suffered by the Jews of Perth is no different than that of a girlfriend or public figure who is being stalked by an angry ex love or fan. Threatening physical harm is not and never was "protected speech." It is one thing to post on You Tube or a blog one's anger at Jews, Catholics, African Americans or Chinese. It is another matter entirely when one starts harassing strangers who belong to a group against whom one nurses a grievance.

Given the reports from Gedalia and Perthguy, I believe that it is proper for Brendon O'Connell to be facing possible jail time. But I still take issue with which of the existing laws were used to bring him to justice. Furthermore, it should not have taken ten years for Australian legal authorities to provide relief from O'Connell's outrages. A bad law can have a desired outcome and unforseen negative consequences. Hate crimes laws can be used to stifle the political free speech of individuals who have no intention of doing violence.

Orianna Fallaci, the late great Italian journalist wrote books and articles slamming radical Islam and the violence committed in the name of Islam. Not long before her death, legal charges were filed against her in France for "hate crimes."

In San Diego, a group of lesbians and agnostics has sued the Boy Scouts for hurting their feelings and self esteem and calling for the city to throw the Boy Scouts off land they lease from the City of San Diego to run a camping facility and an aquatic park. No one who filed the lawsuit had been to either facility or suffered any sort of discrimination there.

Great Britain has now banned Michael Savage from entry for the sole crime of runnning his mouth in front of a live microphone.

A British diplomat Rowan Laxton faces felony hate charges for mouthing off against Jews and Israel while exercising at a gym. The gym would have been within their rights to revoke his membership. The foreign service would have been within their rights to fire him. (Although his opinions are probably quite normal in the diplomatic service. )

All of these instances of the use of hate crimes laws create disturbing precedents for regulating speech. The possibility of progressive encroachments upon the boundaries of permitted speech is very real and very disturbing. Such laws even provide cover to prevent protests against human rights violations in Arab countries.

Brendan O'Connell should have to face the Australian justice system and the people he has harassed over the years. But the hate crimes laws used to stop him are like medicine that cures a disease and kills the patient.

A proper outcome for the Brendon O'Connell case would be for him to be taken out of jail, back down to the judge and back to jail on charges related to his conduct rather than his thoughts. There are enough laws to protect the people of Perth without hate crimes laws. These laws should have been invoked ten years ago to stop Brendon O'Connell in his tracks. And they should be used today as well.

http://www.rudistettner.com/2009/05/brendon-oconnell-hate-crimes-followup.html

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Gedalia said...

    I'm no lawyer, so I can't comment from that perspective. However I have to ask, that if we accept your position, what is the alternative to removing a threat? In this case, I think we have decided to put "a fence at the top of the cliff, because it is better than an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff". G-d forbid that Brendan committed some crime by harming or injuring people, or worse. If we took no action, and the worst type of consequence then occurred, we would feel differently. We would say that we had the chance to stop it, and didn't act. Far better to prevent an act of violence when we can see that it is likely, than to have to deal with the consequences. If we can't acheive that through the use of the legal system in a case such as this, then what alternative course of action should we take to prevent hate crime?
    Thursday, 14 May, 2009
shlomo said...

    O'Connell is not being charged for having illegal "thoughts".

    He has taken ACTION to tell lies in public, vilify the Jewish people, incite others to hate Jews, and to harrass and abuse Jews himself.

    These are all illegal ACTIONS.

    He clearly has a case to answer ...leave the Police alone and let them get on with it...
    Thursday, 14 May, 2009
Magdeburger ` said...

    I am simply saying that the laws related to O'Connell's long history of criminal ACTS should have constituted the basis of legal action against him. Hate crime laws establish the precedent of making thoughts a crime. In the hands of a tyrant. That is dangerous. I object to the free hand that O'Connell had for ten years. I do notwant the manner in which he was prosecuted to lay the ground for future injustice. Bad laws can provide short term relief and long term aggravation
    Thursday, 14 May, 2009
Magdeburger ` said...

    Your input as a Jewish resident of Perth was very useful in discussing this story. Thank you.
    Thursday, 14 May, 2009
Magdeburger ` said...

    I am as concerned as you are about the harmful ACTIONS of O'Connell. I am also concerned that the right laws be used to charge him. The same laws that define hate speech can be used to ban speech that is well within the pale of what is currently accepted. We do not want to accept useful laws that have hidden strings attached.
    Friday, 15 May, 2009
Anonymous said...

    What upsets me, is that the Jewish Community is looking to the outside world for protection. In this case, the Perth Police.

    When in our thousands of years of history, has the outside world helped the Jewish people? When push came to shove, never.

    The AUJS fellow who was captured on the video was a fine young man. However it is sad that he didn't realise that the time for debating was over, and O'Connell needed to have his arse absolutely kicked. I daresay the young man, like most Jewish kids, has probably never been in a fight in his entire life.

    I am sure there is no jury in the land which would have convicted him for belting the snot out of O'Connell.

    The typical Jewish attitude, of avoiding trouble, and keeping to yourself, has never ever been consistent with the survival of our people.
    Friday, 15 May, 2009
shlomo said...

    Dear Magdeburger `,

    Hate crime laws DO NOT criminalise thoughts.

    The crime is vilifying and inciting hatred.

    These are dangerous ACTIONS, which (history shows) can lead to horrific consequences. These actions SHOULD be illegal.
    Friday, 15 May, 2009
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 17, 2009, 09:11:47 AM
Judaics are Protecting the Synagogue as Bees in a Hive do..or Rats like in the movie 'WIllard.'
THe First 'Hate Crime' is Australia featured someone being called...'a slut'
It was summarily dismissed.

Brandon fights back, he is a fighter, thats evident. 
Fighting smart is the key.
Being jammed up for things avoidable is silly and counterproductive.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 17, 2009, 09:37:06 AM
Did you check out the links?

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Brandon fights back, he is a fighter, thats evident.
Fighting smart is the key.

Being jammed up for things avoidable is silly and counterproductive.

How long have you known QT?
Is he a fighter, or is he a fraud?

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 17, 2009, 09:44:25 AM
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Both Gedalia and Perthguy rounded out the picture with accounts of a ten year campaign of harassment by O'Connell. Non stop harassment, assaults and even threatening the staff and children in a day care centre are criminal behavior. The presence of a police guard at the day care centre is proof that the public suffered expense. The fear and anxiety suffered by the Jews of Perth is no different than that of a girlfriend or public figure who is being stalked by an angry ex love or fan. Threatening physical harm is not and never was "protected speech." It is one thing to post on You Tube or a blog one's anger at Jews, Catholics, African Americans or Chinese. It is another matter entirely when one starts harassing strangers who belong to a group against whom one nurses a grievance.

Is there any evidence he threatened physical harm? If there were he certainly would have been charged with making physical threats.

Second, how is what he did any different than what Borat and J-wish reporters do all the time?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: bpocatch on May 17, 2009, 10:13:21 AM
I like this:

O'Connell is not being charged for having illegal "thoughts".

He has taken ACTION to tell lies in public, vilify the Jewish people, incite others to hate Jews, and to harrass and abuse Jews himself.

These are all illegal ACTIONS.

He clearly has a case to answer ...leave the Police alone and let them get on with it...


and this


Hate crime laws DO NOT criminalise thoughts.

The crime is vilifying and inciting hatred.

These are dangerous ACTIONS, which (history shows) can lead to horrific consequences. These actions SHOULD be illegal.

Well that settles that.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 17, 2009, 10:20:26 AM
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Jim Kerr's planetquo.com has turned into a porn site.

Looks to me like he lost control of his domain, and it was 'parked' by the ISP as if it was some former erotic site.  Probably the domain was taken and this ploy was used to weaken its credibility.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: amonvanroark on May 17, 2009, 10:48:48 AM
This article is a complete 'no go' in my view, for the following reasons:

1.  The poster of the article alludes to the fact that Brendon has been harassing the jews of Perth for 10 years.
I distinctly remember a post made by Brendon at LF in which he stated that until three years before, he had been oblivious to the jew problem. This post was made about two years ago, which brings him into the picture five years ago, not the ten years ago the author claims.

2.  Brendon only moved to Perth within the last two years. Prior to that he lived in Esperance. Can no one here recall his lengthy threads at LF regarding the chemtrails and bird die off in Esperance?

3.  If any individual had actually performed the actions the writer has stated, (threatening day care centers, etc.) they would have been arrested long before now, and would not have been charged with what Brendon has purportedly been charged with. The charges would be much more serious in nature.

I put this entire article down to being a jew seeking to, once again, play the eternal victim. 
Unfortunately for the writer of the article, he was unable to get his timeline straight, so the article makes no logical sense.

Also, the blog this came from is self admittedly pro israehell, and pro zionist, as the writer claims, he, himself is.

As with many other things the jew does, this simply does not add up.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: amonvanroark on May 17, 2009, 10:53:01 AM
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Second, how is what he did any different than what Borat and J-wish reporters do all the time?

Hmmm... could the difference be that they are jews?   ???

When is the last time that you have seen a jew being held completely accountable for their actions against others?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 17, 2009, 10:55:06 AM
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How long have you known QT?
Is he a fighter, or is he a fraud?


Is this a rhetorical question?
Its too stupid to even require an answer but I can clue you in.

Now that a Jews timeline of Brandons harassment has been proven a fraud, I can rest my case, that Brandon is a Fighter as I already Pointed out

He may be a little bit of a loose cannon, thats his passion and youthful excitement.
He aint no fraud. Thats Jew speak.

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This article is a complete 'no go' in my view, for the following reasons:

1.  The poster of the article alludes to the fact that Brendon has been harassing the jews of Perth for 10 years.
I distinctly remember a post made by Brendon at LF in which he stated that until three years before, he had been oblivious to the jew problem. This post was made about two years ago, which brings him into the picture five years ago, not the ten years ago the author claims.

2.  Brendon only moved to Perth within the last two years. Prior to that he lived in Esperance. Can no one here recall his lengthy threads at LF regarding the chemtrails and bird die off in Esperance?

3.  If any individual had actually performed the actions the writer has stated, (threatening day care centers, etc.) they would have been arrested long before now, and would not have been charged with what Brendon has purportedly been charged with. The charges would be much more serious in nature.

I put this entire article down to being a jew seeking to, once again, play the eternal victim. 
Unfortunately for the writer of the article, he was unable to get his timeline straight, so the article makes no logical sense.
Also, the blog this came from is self admittedly pro israehell, and pro zionist, as the writer claims, he, himself is.
As with many other things the jew does, this simply does not add up.



Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: amonvanroark on May 17, 2009, 11:23:00 AM
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How long have you known QT?
Is he a fighter, or is he a fraud?


Is this a rhetorical question?
Its too stupid to even require an answer but I can clue you in.

Perhaps I should clue YOU in.

Why are you quoting a question asked by Sushi, and then posting the reply to me?

In doing so are you making some sort of pathetic attempt to make me appear to be stupid?

This will be about as successful as your attempt a few days ago to make Effendi out to be a jew.

Or is it just that you do not yet comprehend how this board works?

To set you straight on that, this is a SMF board, in which replies are directed to individual posts, and therefore, individual posters.
It is not an Invision or vBulletin board where replies are directed to the thread in question.

Glad to be of assistance; no need to say thanks.  ;)

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: FrankDialogue on May 17, 2009, 01:00:05 PM
Many crocodile tears are shed for 'Quo Todt', but he was banned from this forum...Why was he banned?...For the same reasons that caused him to act the way he did in Australia?...Too much of an agitator?...I find this confusing, but I make no judgements on this, since I am not the judge...Brendon once asked me why I didn't 'stand up for Christians being persecuted at NOLAJBS'...I am personally not aware of any Christians here, except for myself and one or two other posters...As I said, very confusing.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: FrankDialogue on May 17, 2009, 01:35:22 PM
Personally, I think Mr. O'Connell has gone over the edge, in a bad way...But let us look at the man's POV, in his own words.........Frank D.

Woo Hoo!




What took 'em so long!


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Just so you're warned, the Jewish Community of WA will be bringing an action against you under section 8 of the Racial and Religious Tolerance Act. It provides that:
8. Religious vilification unlawful

(1) A person must not, on the ground of the religious belief or activity of
another person or class of persons, engage in conduct that incites hatred
against, serious contempt for, or revulsion or severe ridicule of, that other
person or class of persons.

Note Engage in conduct includes use of the internet or e-mail to publish or
transmit statements or other material.

(2) For the purposes of subsection (1), conduct-

(a) may be constituted by a single occasion or by a number of occasions
over a period of time; and

(b) may occur in or outside Western Australia.
Argue With Everyone Political Forums - View Profile: QuoTodt


BUT...




Watch them back down



I will use the opportunity to detail this man...

(http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/479/leoncloseupgq6.jpg)
Mr Leon Wende
Perth, Western Australia

Have Australian SAS Communications Been Compromised By Israel?


They are in a bind




I will be using EVERY OPPORTUNITY to point out the infiltration of the A.D.F by people like Leon Wende and the TOTAL compromised nature of our communications equipment.

Leons wife also worked at Australian Defense Industries as a programmer. She worked on projects like the Jindalee Over The Horizen Radar System.

Many in the SAS, general A.D.F have complained about these people. They are ALL OVER Campbell Barracks where our Elite Special Forces are trained. They are teaching Arabic Languages, Arab Psychology and Arab Culture there.

Our Special Forces were BANNED from ANY interaction with Indonesian Special Forces due to their barbarity. MY MISSION here is to begin to publicize the relationship our SAS personal have with these creatures and engage the public to PICKET and PROTEST outside Campbell Barracks.

THIS is my mission.

I urge those here to assist me by beginning to place on this thread EVERY SINGLE bit of RACIST and DISGUSTING filth contained within jewish Holy Books. They must be ORIGINAL quotes from UNEXCULPATED (un-redacted) versions like The Steinzalts edition from the University of Chicago.

I also urge Christians to pray for me and pray that the Holy Spirit will guide my thoughts and speech.

This is the final showdown with the racist supremacist jewish imperialists who have been stomping all over this planet causing wars and famine and death and destruction for 250 years.

This is OUR hour. It is THEY who will back down and hide. It is THEY who will worry into the night awaiting the knock at the door. They will not be dragging me off to a Camp, to jail or even to Court. It is THEY who will be called to account.

They are SITTING DUCKS. We have SOOOOOO much on them it aint funny. Just look at this short video...

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Jewish Academics Voice Approval For The DELIBERATE Targeting Of Children on Vimeo

1 Samuel 15:2-4 (King James Version)

3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
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Did you know the Palestinians are called "Amalek" by the Jews in current day Israel? Did you know the scholar Hannah Kasher from a major Israeli University wrote in 2001 that liquidating the fathers of Palestinian Resistance fighters was acceptable and called Palestinians DIRECTLY..."Amalek". Not to mention these particular comments...

"The war of annihilation against Amalek is a war against a CONTEMPORARY foe in which one does not refrain from killing women and children".

This is from a well respected CONTEMPORARY Jewish Professor at a major University! That paper has since been taken down once it was given publicity and a redacted "acceptable" one put back up.

Lets hear that again...

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"The war of annihilation against Amalek is a war against a CONTEMPORARY foe in which one does not refrain from killing women and children".
With there Talmud and Zohar quotes they are a "winged duck" awaiting the hounds.

But WATCH! Go to my public comments thread and take note...

Argue With Everyone Political Forums - View Profile: QuoTodt

You can see them deflating already.



This is how it will work



I am not here to "plead" with racist criminal jews. I am here for the Gentiles. The jew will be my "prop" and "publicity machine" from which I reach out to the Gentiles. Those within the jewish crime network who wish to distance themselves from the racist doctrines of these homicidal maniacs will be welcomed also BUT...I am not her to "plead" my case. I am here to chew bubble gum and kick ass and I am all out of bubble gum.

My role is to remove the mask of "reason" from these children of hell and expose them for what they are - rabid, racist, homicidal maniacs with religious doctrines that encourage lying, cheating and stealing from non jews as well as generous opportunities to murder.

I have been collecting evidence for over 12 months now. The break ins, the vandalism, the brake line tampering, the threats both overt and subtle, the recent threats, bullying and intimidation and all this data is being collated, saved and spread as we speak.

I dont care about "court" or even if I am allowed to speak at any time. The important thing is ORDINARY people - not neo nazi's or white supremacists - but "ordinary people" who are Christians will be seeing the system at work on someone they know to be a man who does not mince words and does not lie and gild the lilly.

These people are racist nuts and they are in enormous positions of power. Their strength lies in their ability to "blend in". Once the facade has been ripped from them they will be seen for who they are - VISCOUS ANTI-GENTILES! HATERS! INTOLERANT RACISTS AND OUTRIGHT CRIMINALS who have made ripping off the Goy a National Sport.

Name me EVERY SINGLE FACE that has "lost" billions? ALL of them except a few have run to israel. One American jew just ran from Perth recently. He brought down the oldest establishment Stock Broking House in Perth. The media would not name him or WHERE he had run to but he was a jew and he fled to Israel. I will be bringing his name up also.

For the record - the old Conservative Blue Blood establishment in this town are out for blood.

I have been preparing for this time for some time.

I am ready.

These racist homicidal anti-gentile maniacs must be stopped.

Are you with me?   :)

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/lobby/51930-quotodt-brendon-oconnell-being-charged-inciting-racial-hatred.html (http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/lobby/51930-quotodt-brendon-oconnell-being-charged-inciting-racial-hatred.html)

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: FrankDialogue on May 17, 2009, 01:50:55 PM
You see, it seems as if he was looking for a confrontation...When you are in a fight, you must be intelligent, and choose your tactics...Sometime, it is better to avoid a fight if the odds are that you will lose...You fight ot win, or to defend yourself...Now, picking on some Jewish vendors is not a very good tactic...Many of these Israelis we see in different countries, working in malls, doing this and that, is simply a case of them wanting to make money, and to get out of Israel, which is a 'failed state', and one with an economy that is not so good either...The average Israeli struggle to make a living, same as here, because the 'big Jews' bring in foreign workers, on temporary visas, to do what is considered menial work...Now, the Jews do have a very good network worldwide,and this makes it a bit easier for them to move to different places and do business...This in itself is innocent; it is when they start moving to 'take over' things that we have a problem...Government authorities have the ability to monitor immigrants, but, when big money is involved, they turn a blind eye...So, the ral enemy is the host Government, who allow foreign elements to set up shop with impunity...Perhaps Brendon would have been better directed to go after certain Australian authorities and question them on these issues...But this is a difficult problem to attack...Zionism means big money, and the money talks...Brendon may have the heart of a street fighter, but to really do battle, one must have some understanding of tactics and strategy...Perhaps, he should read 'The Art of War'...
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 17, 2009, 01:53:56 PM
Is there any evidence he threatened physical harm? If there were he certainly would have been charged with making physical threats.

Second, how is what he did any different than what Borat and J-wish reporters do all the time?

I would not know that, Laconas. I have never seen any posts by 'Zionistexposer' before.

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=8536.msg66907#msg66907
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 17, 2009, 02:05:12 PM
I think you are a bit hard on Americans.

I was born in Oregon during World War II.  I attended public schools, served in the military, attended college and university, and have raised a family of seven children.  I have held elected public office, worked in election campaigns, published a local newspaper, and for a time broadcast a daily radio commentary program that became popular.  I have prepared and argued my own legal cases in State and federal court; participated in the founding of a non-profit public service organization; built a religious organization that gives mothers a "veto" power over the use of corporate resources; and helped my neighbors learn how to pursue their legitimate concerns through the courts and the political process.  I am unquestionably entitled and qualified to have a reality-based opinion about the social character of Americans.

If anything, I am not hard enough on Americans.  But that's okay, reality is about to be much harder on Americans than I could possibly be.

In addition to that, I have demonstrated a capacity for assisting others to overcome adversity individually and socially.  I do not "have all the answers," but I certainly have abundantly demonstrated that I can assist others in finding them.  This is not "boasting," it is a half-century of direct experience.

I am neither "perfect" nor particularly "moral" nor "infallible."  Knowing this is one of the things that differentiates me from many Americans, who too often sincerely believe they are "doing the best" they can.  That's a false belief in most cases, as it would be in mine.

Fortunately for me, I'm not too far away from leaving it all behind.  Unfortunately, my sons will have to deal with it after I'm gone.  Fortunately, they're much better equipped for that than I was at their age.  Unfortunately, they will remain among a population of Americans much as I described.  Fortunately, they know what I didn't know:  Americans are self-satisfied, complacent, blissfully ignorant, blind slaves of institutional psychopaths, who they send to Washington and other seats of the organized crime we call "government" with mind-numbing regularity.

People have the rulers they deserve.  Americans are no different.  It's not a problem of "them" ~ it's a problem of "us."  And too few are ~ at the moment ~ uncomfortable enough to want to change it.

I think that's in a process of change.  I'm not at all confident, however, that I will live long enough to see much of it.

... without understanding our social systems, we will never escape from the tyranny unleashed on us by psychopaths.  We should spread the word and explore this rich vein of thought with vigor.

We ~ or at least our forebears ~ unleashed the psychopaths, who have demonstrated for ages that they are not bound by rules of common decency that the rest of us follow religiously.  We are all (except the psychopaths) capable of transcending our Darwinian social systems, and most of us do so, in bits and pieces, every day.  What Americans (and others) have not been able to do, so far, is build ~ together, in cooperation ~ a real "society" that fulfills the real purpose of a society, which is to meet the real needs of all of its members.

Industrial production has made possible an increasing standard of living for everyone.  Instead, because of the Darwinian mind-set that underlies all of our social institutions, that "common wealth" has accrued only to a few, who "conserve" it without recognizing the necessity of distributing enough of it to the "fringes" of society.

In criminal justice, over 90% of criminal defendants require public defender services.  In other words, poverty accounts for over 90% of all crime in America.  That is, until the lights go out and the power grid fails ~ and then looting and marauding become much more commonplace across the spectrum from the poverty classes through the upper middle classes.

The same situation obtains across the entire social spectrum ~ medical care, taxation, credit defaults, you name it, every social activity is corrupted by poverty that has no legitimate reason to exist, and there is no durable social morality that survives when the usual social "controls" (i.e., fear of prosecution) are removed.

Prosperity creates poverty, and poverty destroys prosperity.   Only the prosperous can eliminate poverty, and we don't.

Americans (and others) are social imbeciles.  That's why psychopaths rule.  What gives "modern man" a paper-thin veneer of apparently "civilized" society is domestication.  "A Nation of Sheep" is not a misnomer.  And just as with sheep (and other domesticated animals), when the fences go down (when the power grid fails), that domestication falls away in the face of hunger, want, and illegitimate poverty.  The result is that Americans have the rulers they deserve.  Psychopaths.

Remediation has to begin at the personal and local level.  Unless people form real societies with their neighbors, they will perish in what's coming tomorrow.

Human needs are satisfied socially and collectively and cooperatively.

Americans (and others) worship the chimera of "self-reliance" even as they buy fresh frozen orange juice that is brought to them by literally hundreds of growers, manufacturers, and distributors.  My family buys raw milk from a local farmer because keeping a cow in the back yard would be too burdensome for our daily activities.  There are no dentists or doctors in my family.  I repaired our family Fords until 1979, and since then automotive repairs have been far beyond my skill set, I raise the hood on our Toyota and clean the battery terminals, replace the windshield washer fluid and the oil filter, and take the rest to a skilled professional who we've found to be honest and reliable.

America's life styles depend on social production driven by self-interested competition in the marketplace.  Competitive free-market capitalism, however, has not been paying its dues ~ poverty arises as the society as a whole becomes prosperous and some people can't keep up and get left behind.  Unless the prosperous provide for meeting the real needs of those "left behind," prosperity will collapse.  This appears to be what is coming.  And why?

Because we elect psychopaths who pander to the wishes of more psychopaths.

And in the mix, fewer and fewer are able to realize their humanity.

That's human history in a nutshell, with rare and scarcely two major exceptions, both relatively short-lived.

Change begins at the individual level.  It doesn't start in Washington DC.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: amonvanroark on May 17, 2009, 02:11:13 PM
What I find interesting was the fan club that seemed to be developing over here, shortly prior to his arrest.

When he posted here, in his last incarnation, I did not respond to his posts because I knew what the results would be. Anything less than complete agreement with whatever he was saying at the time led to trolling and flaming on his part. The real problem was that he changed his views and opinions on a daily basis.
I recall that he once was berating everyone in sight for not debating him, but anytime anyone responded, he would start vilifying them and their beliefs.

I often wondered, and still do, as to whether he behaved in real life as he did here.
If this is how he acted in real life, I am surprised that the consequences of his behaviour never caught up to him sooner than they actually did.

He was banned here because he was acting like a total asshole towards most everyone here. I am surprised it was allowed to go on for as long as it did, but then I am also surprised that he was let back in at all, after his two previous banishments; it is not like he was not immediately recognizable both by manner of presentation, and subject matter.

In my reply to Sushi, I tried to clear up some misinformation in the article she posted, but in no way should this be taken as undying support for Brendon on my part.

If you want to see something really asinine, just go to AWE and read his thread in the Lobby. A couple of posters there have taken it upon themselves to attempt to elevate his status to that of a Saint, and actually have equated him with St. Paul.

Personally, I would equate Brendon with Steven J. Christopher; they are both a bit nuts, and have both become incarcerated for their attitude and remarks.

 
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: SlackerSlayer on May 17, 2009, 02:20:38 PM
Without Faith, You have no Liberty


Utter nonsense. But then that is why you have something called faith. To attach that which is unknown to you to something.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 17, 2009, 02:49:49 PM

This article is a complete 'no go' in my view, for the following reasons:

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1.  The poster of the article alludes to the fact that Brendon has been harassing the jews of Perth for 10 years.

If his video is any indication, it shows that he is capable. He may have lived in Perth and just went to work on a temporary basis in Esperance, this of course we don't know.

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I distinctly remember a post made by Brendon at LF in which he stated that until three years before, he had been oblivious to the jew problem. This post was made about two years ago, which brings him into the picture five years ago, not the ten years ago the author claims.

I have not seen that post, if that is true, he must have done a lot of studying, his knowledge appears to be comprehensive. 

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2.  Brendon only moved to Perth within the last two years. Prior to that he lived in Esperance. Can no one here recall his lengthy threads at LF regarding the chemtrails and bird die off in Esperance?

Correct, he was working there apparently as a male nurse, I also remember him telling me that he was out of work.

I remember both threads, he posted them on LF as well. I recall too that he went to the East Coast at some point during that time, staying with monks at some retreat in NSW. 

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3.  If any individual had actually performed the actions the writer has stated, (threatening day care centers, etc.) they would have been arrested long before now, and would not have been charged with what Brendon has purportedly been charged with. The charges would be much more serious in nature.
One would think so....

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I put this entire article down to being a jew seeking to, once again, play the eternal victim. 
Unfortunately for the writer of the article, he was unable to get his time line straight, so the article makes no logical sense.

Also, the blog this came from is self admittedly pro israehell, and pro zionist, as the writer claims, he, himself is. As with many other things the jew does, this simply does not add up.

I added the note that these comments came from a jewish website. Naturally, they would smear him. I did not expect any favorable replies. :-))
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 17, 2009, 02:56:04 PM
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Americans are self-satisfied, complacent, blissfully ignorant, blind slaves of institutional psychopaths, who they send to Washington and other seats of the organized crime we call "government" with mind-numbing regularity.

People have the rulers they deserve.  Americans are no different.

Whew, aren't you glad then that the dumb Americans aren't the ones actually in control of this process?  Where would we be without Israel hijacking...er, guiding our govt and media so that the people make the right decisions?  And why would they complain?  They've been graced with more wealth than any other generation in the history of the World.

All of that is about to end, like you say.  I'd be interested to know your opinions on how&when it will all end and how exactly that will unfold.

(I agree with what you are saying, it's just that try to remember that Americans are the victims of an extremely well-organized international jewry that latched onto them more-so than the other nations because of the wealth and success of its people.  As an American, I really don't know what to do because I believe that if we did what it takes (such as kicking all the Jews out of govt) we'd be nuked by Israel and other Israeli-controlled Western countries.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 17, 2009, 02:58:04 PM
None are so enslaved as those that think they are free...
You have no liberty. And are most assuredly a slave, without Faith.


I just showed you in the PROTOCOLS, Jews telling you they are out to destroy your faith in GOD.
If wish to still challenge GOD, defy him and beief In HIM, that is your business.
'You can lead a horse to water'...

Protocols 4
WE SHALL DESTROY GOD
IT IS INDISPENSABLE FOR US TO UNDERMINE ALL FAITH, TO TEAR OUT OF THE MIND OF THE "GOYIM" THE VERY PRINCIPLE OF GOD-HEAD AND THE SPIRIT, AND TO PUT IN ITS PLACE ARITHMETICAL CALCULATIONS AND MATERIAL NEEDS.


Protocols 11
WE ARE WOLVES
4. The GOYIM are a flock of sheep, and we are their wolves. And you know what happens when the wolves get hold of the flock? ....
5. There is another reason also why they will close their eyes: for we shall keep promising them to give back all the liberties we have taken away as soon as we have quelled the enemies of peace and tamed all parties ....
6. It is not worth to say anything about how long a time they will be kept waiting for this return of their liberties ....

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm


'Now without faith it is impossible to please God, for whoever comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who diligently search for him.'
Hebrews 11:16

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He was banned here because he was acting like a total asshole towards most everyone here.

Who cares about a popularity contest. I dont mind disagreements or assholes.
If they can support an opinion who cares?  The truth isnt polite.
Heebs or think skinned here among us are the first to take offense. I dont really give a damn anymore.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 17, 2009, 03:16:08 PM
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'Now without faith it is impossible to please God, for whoever comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who diligently search for him.' - Hebrews 11:16

I just looked up Hebrews 11:16 and that's not what it said.  I'm curious to know where that is in the Bible.  Sounds Old-Testament for some reason to me.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 17, 2009, 03:18:29 PM
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Many crocodile tears are shed for 'Quo Todt', but he was banned from this forum...Why was he banned?...For the same reasons that caused him to act the way he did in Australia?...Too much of an agitator?...

I watched him literally hound tgambill on LF ~ that is when I distanced myself from him. It did not take him too long to 'disagree' about something with ET, acting along the same lines. Then he started the same with me, you might remember. 

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I find this confusing, but I make no judgements on this, since I am not the judge...Brendon once asked me why I didn't 'stand up for Christians being persecuted at NOLAJBS'...I am personally not aware of any Christians here, except for myself and one or two other posters...As I said, very confusing.

Persecuted? Now that is a bit extreme.
 
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 17, 2009, 04:13:58 PM
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I just looked up Hebrews 11:16 and that's not what it said.

And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
Hebrews 11:6

11:6 
Not 11:16 sorry

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 17, 2009, 04:33:21 PM
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America's life styles depend on social production driven by self-interested competition in the marketplace.

Competitive free-market capitalism, however, has not been paying its dues ~ poverty arises as the society as a whole becomes prosperous and some people can't keep up and get left behind.  Unless the prosperous provide for meeting the real needs of those "left behind," prosperity will collapse.  This appears to be what is coming.

Insightful post...

I am all for a free-market capitalism, unfortunately, greed gets in the way.

A decent and affordable health-care system could exist quite nicely, unfortunately, abuse gets in the way.
 
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: amonvanroark on May 17, 2009, 04:37:02 PM
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this of course we don't know.

And that is about the end all, and be all, of things related to Brendon.

We do not know; we know only what he has told us, and naturally, the only thing consistent about his posts are the fact that they are inconsistent.

The real point is that if he lived life in the meat world in the same manner as he presented himself and his views on the Net, anything is possible.

Another interesting thing is that this thread has reached 14 pages, and 1027 hits as I write this.

It seems that Brendon has become much more popular around here since he left, than he ever was when he was present here.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 17, 2009, 04:38:18 PM
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And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
Hebrews 11:6

Thanks, I don't know why I couldn't see that the first time.

I equate seeking God to seeking the Truth.  The words have almost become interchangeable for me.  But I do not consider taking large things on faith, permanently, as a virtue if one is serious about pursuing Truth.  Hence my dilemma.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: amonvanroark on May 17, 2009, 04:56:06 PM
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I am all for a free-market capitalism, unfortunately, greed gets in the way.

But free market capitalism is based on only one thing.

Greed.

It is also based on instantaneous payback, and short term profitability; never on reaching long term goals or sustainability.

Thus: Greed.

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A decent and affordable health-care system could exist quite nicely, unfortunately, abuse gets in the way.

Abuse by who?

The sick patient who wants another test, the mother of an ill child who goes back to the doctor for the third time because 'nothing they do is working'?

Or are you referring to the abuse of medical administrators and health care professionals who are out to maximize profits at any cost to the individuals they are supposed to be treating?

How about the health care insurers, who are happy to take ones money when they are healthy, yet disallow all claims when they become unhealthy?

What of the general practitioners that know little but to prescribe the last pharmaceutical pill that the last representative of 'Big Pharma' gave them a free sample of, and a kickback on?

Those are the abusers of the system; not the sick and elderly.
The ones who are abusing the system are those in control of it: the doctors, the administrators, the pharmaceutical manufacturers, and the insurance companies.

Get rid of the middlemen, and one could have affordable, decent health care, yet.

It will never happen as long as the thieving Pharma industry and the minions beholding to them are running the system!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: amonvanroark on May 17, 2009, 05:20:36 PM
Should Brendon think for one moment that a court case will afford the opportunity to address the problems he sees in his general community, or the problems caused by the jew on a larger basis, he is delusional.

The reality of things is that NO court will allow him to use his collected information in his defense.

It will be ruled as inadmissible, or irrelevant to the proceedings; should this not work, I foresee the court issuing a publication ban on the proceedings.

I doubt that the court system will allow itself to become his soap box, much as he would prefer that it would.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 17, 2009, 05:39:51 PM
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And that is about the end all, and be all, of things related to Brendon.

We do not know; we know only what he has told us, and naturally, the only thing consistent about his posts are the fact that they are inconsistent.

The real point is that if he lived life in the meat world in the same manner as he presented himself and his views on the Net, anything is possible.

Exactly....

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Another interesting thing is that this thread has reached 14 pages, and 1027 hits as I write this.

It seems that Brendon has become much more popular around here since he left, than he ever was when he was present here.

Well, it's not every day that someone we know is in the ALD's 'limelight'.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: NOLAJBS on May 17, 2009, 05:50:31 PM
I feel better about this thread already.

Uh ... yeah.

Actually, its turned into an interesting thread; however, history has shown me that when threads such as these break out, 'someone' is in the high grass who doesn't belong.

(http://www.no-pest.com/BlackMamba2.jpg)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: ThreeOfSeven on May 17, 2009, 06:07:03 PM
I just watched O'Connell's 2-part Fruits of Zionism video.  He could have picked a more effective way of making points then by getting in a ranting match with a couple of lurking zionists, but it's hard to believe he's being prosecuted for that!  On the positive side, this kind of heavy-handed attempt by the authorities to punish un-pc speech will probably backfire and encourage more people to rebel.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 17, 2009, 06:16:00 PM
I think about the upside.

IF he is found not guilty...you have a p owerful precedent for more in your face activism, the kind that will affect change and make the Zio Heebs very uncomfortable.

If Guilty, ......slap wrist and he makes the news.  And will wise up and be more discretionary.

Its a win-win

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: clayman on May 17, 2009, 06:18:24 PM
You're welcome to go and live in the bush minus electricty, modern transport, modern communications, modern medicine etc, etc.

You spoke of "primitive man's mindless harmony with nature" to suggest that individuals who lived once upon a time without "modern conveniences" were somehow more foolish than modern man.  When I criticize your understanding as "pop culture," and as such, devoid of knowledge, I'm just providing an accurate description.  Nothing more.

Try not to read into things too much.  You're bound to stumble.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: FrankDialogue on May 17, 2009, 06:37:18 PM
Thanks, I don't know why I couldn't see that the first time.

I equate seeking God to seeking the Truth.  The words have almost become interchangeable for me.  But I do not consider taking large things on faith, permanently, as a virtue if one is serious about pursuing Truth.  Hence my dilemma.


God is Truth...The only truth, but 'no one (human) has ever the Father, as He is a Spirit'...This is where faith comes in...You either have it, or you don't...To give a 'vulgar' example, you ever hear the saying 'I had a gut feeling...'...You know, you pick up 'something' about a person, and you are either attracted to them or something warns you off...Or a situation...Was there something 'provable' that told either 'good' or 'bad'?...Or was it something that 'you couldn't put a finger on'?...Let me tell you: You cannot put a finger on God...HE puts His finger on you, and then you make a choice...Now, just look at the beautiful creation around you: all creatures and foilage on this Earth, and all the stars and galaxies in the heavens...Was this the result of an 'accident'?...Or was this the expression of love and the need to create belonging to One who is so awesome that we cannot even contemplate who He Is in anything beyond our limited senses?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 17, 2009, 07:05:32 PM
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To give a 'vulgar' example, you ever hear the saying 'I had a gut feeling...

Yes, and when I get those feelings, I stop and wonder why and try to put my finger on it!
Like when we see a kosher movie, and we feel this mild loss of dignity and offense, but can't put our finger on exactly why...until we analyze the movie and figure out the subtle perversion and/or propaganda in exact terms.  The point is, usually one can put their finger on why.
The study of 'jewology' is clearly helping me in my quest for Truth because I can now put my finger on what seems to amount to the devil and his deeds.
Understanding the nature of the Universe is probably what it's going to take for me to put my finger on God, and I understand that's not going to happen.  Good analogy to contemplate.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 17, 2009, 08:29:48 PM
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But free market capitalism is based on only one thing.

Greed.

It is also based on instantaneous payback, and short term profitability; never on reaching long term goals
or sustainability.

Thus: Greed.

OK - Then let me rephrase it. I am a capitalist with a social conscience.

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Abuse by who?

The sick patient who wants another test, the mother of an ill child who goes back to the doctor for
the third time because 'nothing they do is working'?

We have an acute doctor shortage everywhere, months of waiting time, more often than not a year
goes by. It is even worse in smaller places. I was waiting for an operation for nearly 2 years, I finally
ended up choosing a private clinic, waiting another 6 months.

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Or are you referring to the abuse of medical administrators and health care professionals who
are out to maximize profits at any cost to the individuals they are supposed to be treating?

Of course there are enough of those. The latest is that you can only make one appointment per ailment.
Maximizing profits!

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How about the health care insurers, who are happy to take ones money when they are healthy, yet disallow all claims when they become unhealthy?

That is another racket.

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What of the general practitioners that know little but to prescribe the last pharmaceutical pill that the last representative of 'Big Pharma' gave them a free sample of, and a kickback on?

You want a free sample? No problem.

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Those are the abusers of the system; not the sick and elderly.  The ones who are abusing the system are those in control of it: the doctors, the administrators, the pharmaceutical manufacturers, and the insurance companies. Get rid of the middlemen, and one could have affordable, decent health care, yet.

Absolutely. I totally agree.

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It will never happen as long as the thieving Pharma industry and the minions beholding to them are running the system!

In the Late 60's and 70's and I am speaking about our system here.

I know a few people in the health-care field. You need a nose job? Does it make you feel insecure?
Your psychiatrist will make it possible ~ DONE. Health care system paid for it.

Abuse is on both sides, but more so it's the practitioners who are at fault pushing Big Pharma drugs.

Hospital Emergency Wards can write volumes.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 17, 2009, 08:56:42 PM
I'd be interested to know your opinions on how & when it will all end and how exactly that will unfold.

It won't "all end" for at least another 50,000 years.  When that period begins is uncertain (at least in my analysis), but the first of those years are expected to be somewhat difficult, after which it gets much better.

I expect most of the eastern hemisphere to be destroyed.  The present war of the "Christian" world against the muslim world continues ~ a third of the muslims join the aggressors, a third fight (and die), and a third do neither.  I could be mistaken about the extent of devastation, it could be much less than "most" ~ but my analysis of history and prophecy and contemporary (the most recent three centuries) events persuades me that the devastation will occur in the eastern hemisphere, not so much in the west.

I expect America to turn around.  This may be wishful thinking, but prophecy ~ explicit prophecies, not nebulous "mysteries" ~ says it's not.

It is possible that America will be beset by the nations of the eastern hemisphere.  The Atlantic and Pacific mitigate the threat somewhat.  But America has a lot of blood on its hands, and there is liable to be some return on that investment.

I've studied prophecies from the four major monotheistic traditions for forty years.  For the latest thirty of those years, I've been watching for something ~ anything ~ to prove that the "end of the age" prophecies are not being fulfilled as we watch.  There are certain prophesied events that "prove" that the "end of the age" scenario is actually taking place ~ those specific events have not yet occurred.  All other prophesied events related to the "end of the age" have occurred, or are evident in the world today for anyone, anywhere, to see.  They are not in the least bit ambiguous or uncertain.

For an overview, see http://www.muslimamerica.net/mp/muqatta.htm ~ with the understanding that it was written in 1995 and has not been updated with events that have taken place since then.  See also http://www.muslimamerica.net/mp/stranger.htm for what appears to be the silver lining.

The "major event" that we are expecting is called "The Hour."  All predicate events have taken place, and all preconditions are presently extant.  There are events that "establish" The Hour ~ they have not occurred.  In addition, I, at least, am uncertain as to the actual duration of "The Hour" ~ it could be as long as two thousand years, or it could be quite short.  "One hour" of a fifty-thousand-year "day" could be quite long ~ I am absolutely certain of the fifty-thousand-year "Day" but I don't know whether "The Hour" is on the same scale.

Biblical prophecy is not comprehensive in this regard, all of the specific and unambiguous prophecies of the Bible were fulfilled and complete centuries ago.

One thing I can say without qualification ~ it's fascinating to watch.

However, we have "guidance" on the matter.  We were told "Should you witness The Hour while you are planting a tree, continue planting the tree."  There are other counsels that have come down to us as well.  Watching events unfold is to witness true Majesty ~ far beyond the impressive sight of Mount Shasta or the Hubble photography of distant universes.  Nations do not collapse in a day, or arise in an hour.  And there is a lot of historical debris already waiting to be swept into the dustbin of history.

God is not in a hurry.

All of my views are subject to change as a result of newly-discovered information.  I am still watching for something ~ anything ~ to prove that the prophecies regarding the "end of the age" are not coming to pass in our lifetimes.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 17, 2009, 09:07:24 PM
Actually, its turned into an interesting thread; however, history has shown me that when threads such as these break out, 'someone' is in the high grass who doesn't belong.

It comes with the territory, my friend.  Anyone able to recognize truth when it presents itself is a threat to the enemies of humanity.  And any discussion leading toward truth is automatically a target.

Divert, distort, denigrate, disrupt or destroy any
discussion of the corruption of American liberty
by the organized lobby of a foreign power
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: amonvanroark on May 17, 2009, 09:09:15 PM
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We have an acute doctor shortage everywhere, months of waiting time, more often than not a year
goes by. It is even worse in smaller places. I was waiting for an operation for nearly 2 years, I finally
ended up choosing a private clinic, waiting another 6 months.

I guess that I should clarify my statement.

I have no problem with surgeons; they actually do something, and generally do it well.

The real problem that I have with the present medical system in the country we live in is the damn pill pushers; the ones who push pills on a person who is not well, at the behest of pharmaceutical manufacturers; supposed cures that cure nothing, but have the patient coming back to the doctor on a monthly basis, so the said doctor can suck more money out of the system, and prescribe yet more pharmaceuticals that do nothing to promote wellness.

This is largely a discussion of semantics; I am quite sure that we both agree with one another on this subject.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: thomaspain on May 17, 2009, 09:39:42 PM
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Understanding the nature of the Universe is probably what it's going to take for me to put my finger on God, and I understand that's not going to happen.  Good analogy to contemplate.

Give it a try.



Here is photographic evidence of the existence of God. These are sub-neuron  photos of the interior of God's body.

(http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0602/n44_eso.jpg)

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0602/n44_eso.jpg (http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0602/n44_eso.jpg)



(http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0602/m51center_hst.jpg)

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0602/m51center_hst.jpg (http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0602/m51center_hst.jpg)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: thomaspain on May 17, 2009, 10:02:27 PM
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The real problem that I have with the present medical system in the country we live in is the damn pill pushers; the ones who push pills on a person who is not well, at the behest of pharmaceutical manufacturers; supposed cures that cure nothing, but have the patient coming back to the doctor on a monthly basis, so the said doctor can suck more money out of the system, and prescribe yet more pharmaceuticals that do nothing to promote wellness.

There is an injunction in the Talmud against Jewish doctors healing goyim. They are allowed to treat for money, but not to cure.

Could this be a part of the problem? Are Jewish doctors and drug companies more religiously observant than they pretend to be?



The best punishment for jews as a group is the elimination of all laws and stigma that prevent people from challenging the jewish version of the truth.
...............................................................Wag- NOLAJBS

 

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: SlackerSlayer on May 17, 2009, 10:14:00 PM
Now it is not possible that the same thing should be at once in actuality and potentiality in the same respect, but only in different respects.

Where did you copy this stuff from?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: SlackerSlayer on May 17, 2009, 11:00:24 PM
How many years of deprogramming will it take to undo years of studying Jewish philosophers?

Who do you think wrote your christian bible. How many years will it take to undo that programming.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: SlackerSlayer on May 17, 2009, 11:03:10 PM
Truth is the ultimate authority and the final arbiter. 

Everyone has the burden of proof where faith is only a disclaimer for lying. 

At the core of the supreme being philosophy, is to create a collectivist mentality for control, where everyone has to submit to a higher authority on earth justified by the use of "God said", without any proof the scriptures are true to justify their divine right of authority.

The very act of claiming "God said, Jesus said,  Allah said or Government said" makes one a liar, because they have NO proof.  Scriptures, no matter which derivation, create of the same criminally insane collectivist mentality in order to justify their illegitimate authority to control another. At its core is a fraud!

And the reason Brendon is in jeapardy of his freedom, all over protecting the liars he faced.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 17, 2009, 11:36:47 PM
We agree... :-))
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: SlackerSlayer on May 17, 2009, 11:51:44 PM
In San Diego, a group of lesbians and agnostics has sued the Boy Scouts for hurting their feelings and self esteem and calling for the city to throw the Boy Scouts off land they lease from the City of San Diego to run a camping facility and an aquatic park. No one who filed the lawsuit had been to either facility or suffered any sort of discrimination there.

No sheet they wre never there, they would have been arrested for treaspassing on boy scout land. "Leased" from the city for one dollar. Right, there were no favoritisms going on there. Prime land leased for a buck in a tight budget system is corrupt.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: SlackerSlayer on May 18, 2009, 12:16:11 AM
I watched him literally hound tgambill on LF ~ that is when I distanced myself from him.
 

I think I was tough on TG when I first encountered him at LF, about as bad as I did to WPS (whereever that swabbie went), but with TG we grew to an amiable disagreement on some issues and agree on others.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: SlackerSlayer on May 18, 2009, 12:30:39 AM
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A decent and affordable health-care system could exist quite nicely, unfortunately, abuse gets in the way.

Abuse by who?

Parasitic noncontributing, just take away from the resources right from the TOP from the medical services and care we the people have been paying for,,, insurance that's "who" the abuse emanates. Pharmacutical co's are small taters when you compare them to THEE most profitable "industry" world wide, insurance.

Those that suck off the benefits for medical care in isurance contribute absolutely nothing to the medical community and those seeking that medical care they have paid for.

It must be a great feeling for SG to not worry if a serious stroke in her family, would wind up costing her her home to pay for that care.


I'm amazed at some people making comments "just pay for the insurance,,,' etc., when they do not realize, when you become sick, you loose the job that pays for the medical care. Now what are you going to do, go shopping for another policy?

People also forget the mantra of businessmen, "what the market will bear", well they broke it through systematic frauds working with those tasked to watch out for us -the government "investigators". Funny how they all meet up on Saturdays at the temple.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: SlackerSlayer on May 18, 2009, 12:36:02 AM
Should Brendon think for one moment that a court case will afford the opportunity to address the problems he sees in his general community, or the problems caused by the jew on a larger basis, he is delusional.

The reality of things is that NO court will allow him to use his collected information in his defense.

It will be ruled as inadmissible, or irrelevant to the proceedings; should this not work, I foresee the court issuing a publication ban on the proceedings.

I doubt that the court system will allow itself to become his soap box, much as he would prefer that it would.

That is why he would need to bring his 'jury instructions' (in the U.S.) to the preliminary hearings to be granted that evidence be as admissible in his trial. The prosecutors can't sneak in "evidence" at the last minute, neither can a defense. He would need to read the charges closely and determine what he needs to knock it down. I am not a lawyer and I AM giving legal advice. FY if you see a problem.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 18, 2009, 01:06:44 AM
Who do you think wrote your christian bible. How many years will it take to undo that programming.

The only way to deprogram oneself is via the study of philosophy and logic.......once people understand the way logic works and its connection to "truth", they'll be able to form their own independent conclusions.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 18, 2009, 02:22:07 AM
"When I criticize your understanding as 'pop culture,' and as such, devoid of knowledge, I'm just providing an accurate description."

Hey, the truth is important.  Thanks for that tip, clay.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 18, 2009, 05:59:27 AM
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Who do you think wrote your christian bible. How many years will it take to undo that programming.

What Horseshit.

It was Practices and teachings directly FROM The Christian Bible, enacted BY The Church, the one Universal (Catholic) Church that Kept Jews Locked in Caged ghettos for 1500 years.
They very one that:

Expelled Jews from their nationstates (100+).
Inquisistioned them for Subversion.
That put them to death for Blood Libel, Christian Sacrifice.
That Forbid USURY.
That Forbid Interracial Marriages.
That Forbid Abortion, Divorce, Homosexuality by penalty of death or excommunication.

It was Turning away from these Christian teachings, and being corrupted BY THe Masonic Jews which, that brought us Communism, Feminism, Abortion, USURY, Divorce,  Jew World Order, Pornography, Israel-the secular Godless Apartheid nation, Zionism, Protestantism with 35,000 Competing, Cannibalizing sects divided and conquered (Luther a Useful Jew idiot)

Real Christianity IS Militant.
It is Strength.
It is a way of life.
It is Anti Jew. Always had been through Vatican 2.

Anything else is brought to you by the Satanic Jew.
Take that, put it in your pipe and smoke it.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Zampan0 on May 18, 2009, 06:57:22 AM
Mr. Shoshoni said:  "Unless the prosperous provide for meeting the real needs of those "left behind," prosperity will collapse"

This is true to the extent of the "Trickle Down" strategy of Reagan.  It works.  Your's (forgive me if I'm wrong) sounds like Karl Marx.

Then he said:  " This appears to be what is coming.  And why?

Because we elect psychopaths who pander to the wishes of more psychopaths.

And in the mix, fewer and fewer are able to realize their humanity.

That's human history in a nutshell, with rare and scarcely two major exceptions, both relatively short-lived.

Change begins at the individual level.  It doesn't start in Washington DC." 

I like what you say, except in the last sentence.  Washington D.C. controls everthing. Through grants to citys and unions they have control of  even our smallest citys.

"Our battle for liberty appears not just as a conflict between those who want freedom versus those who want control, but instead as the battle between normal people and the psychopaths.  I have found incredible explanatory power of our world within the psychopathic hypothesis:  The world feels wrong because psychopaths run it.  In a country trained to discount and ridicule all ideas more than a standard deviation from the average, coherent explanations of observable social phenomena don`t get much press.   Without understanding physical laws, we would never have gained the massive improvements in our quality of life from technological developments.  Similarly, without understanding our social systems, we will never escape from the tyranny unleashed on us by psychopaths.  We should spread the word and explore this rich vein of thought with vigor."

The phychopaths are embedded in our government to the higest levels.  You are correct that people are pretty much the same the world over, so all governments are similar to ours.  I do know several places that don't fit the omnipresent govt. we experience here.  Our forefathers came here to escape tyranny and/or persecution,  are we any better than they?  They girded up their loins and made themselves a better more free life.  I consider myself a human being and a citizen of the world. I have did not realize that "Something Is Wrong", terribly wrong, up until about 25 years ago.  Many people are quietly leaving this country, mostly 'well to do' people.  I guess they figure it's better to live free somewhere else than spend the rest of their lives fruitlessly trying to 'change' things.  There will be 'change', but as you say above, it won't be pretty.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 18, 2009, 07:04:23 AM
"I think I was tough on TG when I first encountered him at LF, about as bad as I did to WPS (whereever that swabbie went), but with TG we grew to an amiable disagreement on some issues and agree on others."

Are you talking about some months before the shutdown ... or something else ... specific?

Re: Handy Dandy Propaganda Candy
'Friends of Liberty' undated
Libertyforum.org revealed to be FedGov datamining trap

by "wadosy"
September 1, 2007

let's see.... Moderator WestPacSailor is supposedly in the UK.... he says he's working for L-3 Communications ---a warmonger outfit best known for its prior knowledge of 9/11, profits it made on that prior knowledge, and its torture of prisoners at abu ghraib prison in iraq.

according to my time zone map, it's now 9:34 am in london.

so if wetpac is in london, and he has a job, and it's 9:34 on a friday morning, we should be able to assume that wetpac is at work, getting paid.

and what is wetpac getting paid for?

apparently he's getting paid to moderate and post at libertyforum.

...none of which should surprise us in the least, since L-3 Communications has spread its tentacles into chat rooms, forums and message boards, because it's been paid tens, maybe hundreds, of millions of dollars to do so by the israeli american govt... the same govt that hires L-3 to torture people at abu ghraib.

Results 1 - 10 of about 896 for "L-3 communications" OR MPRI OR "S Y coleman" internet chatrooms OR forums OR "message boards" OR blogs propaganda OR disinformation OR lies OR disinfo OR psyops

Comments?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: FrankDialogue on May 18, 2009, 08:19:11 AM

Comments?

Very interesting...
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 18, 2009, 08:45:19 AM
I think I was tough on TG when I first encountered him at LF, about as bad as I did to WPS (whereever that swabbie went), but with TG we grew to an amiable disagreement on some issues and agree on others.

WPS is at Boondocks.

Tom is OK, like you, he has been good decent friend from the very beginning of my early
LF days.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 18, 2009, 10:07:16 AM
Mr. Shoshoni said:  Unless the prosperous provide for meeting the real needs of those "left behind," prosperity will collapse

This is true to the extent of the "Trickle Down" strategy of Reagan.  It works.  Yours (forgive me if I'm wrong) sounds like Karl Marx.


You're mistaken.

During the first two centuries of the millennial muslim world, 2.5% of fixed working capital (held for a year) was collected every year.  The receipts were used to capitalize entrepreneurs, as well as for funding students, hospices for travelers and pilgrims (of all faiths), and for what we would today call "welfare" for the indigent (which in American society are "transfer payments" intended to "prime the pump" and keep businesses alive).  The entire society was oriented, economically, on making every member of society economically self-sufficient.  During the third century, this 2.5% was collected from all over the Arab muslim empire and no one could be found to give it to.  Everyone was prosperous enough to PAY it, no one was poor enough to receive it.  So the funds were used to build and operate the world's first teaching hospitals, along with other public works.

Note that during this period the "capitation tax" collected from non-muslims (i.e., from Christian and Jewish communities ~ and exempting those on whom it would be a burden, such as the elderly and the poor, students, monks, nuns and priests, etc.) was less than the 2.5% due from muslims on their working capital, and what was not used of that for direct defense of those Christian and Jewish communities was used to rebuild churches and synagogues and otherwise returned to the Christian and Jewish communities.

Moreover, the 2.5% and the "capitation tax" were the only burdens imposed on the populations.  All muslim "government" was funded by the two and a half percent.  Public works such as highways and postal services were funded by those who stood to benefit most from them ~ the wealthy among the businessmen.  Education, medical care, and other common needs of a society were subsidized where necessary, and the entire society cooperated to meet the needs of all of its members.  All this, of course, was hidden from the people of Dark Ages Europe.

America's Constitution explicitly forbade taxation of individuals or individual enterprise.  Until the institution of the "Income Tax," all American government was financed by import duties on goods shipped in from foreign producers.  There was always a surplus, never a deficit.  Rural electrification and American public education are "outside economies" ~ they were instituted to benefit industry, not the people.  Industry needed literate workers and rural electrification made it more efficient to expand the labor pool into the countryside ~ a larger labor pool lowers the cost of labor (i.e., wages).

In feudal Europe, the serfs paid one third of their production to the feudal lord (the "rent" and "protection" by the lord's knights and soldiery), kept one third for the following year's enterprise, and had one third left for barter and subsistence.  In wage-slave America, federal and state taxes take nearly (or over) half of what the worker receives after the business owners have taken most of what the worker has actually produced.  Add vehicle licensing fees, mandatory liability insurance, other transportation costs, inflated electricity rates, municipal sales taxes, medical and dental insurance (or costs), et cetera ad infinitum, and you can see that the "American Dream" is called that because you have to be asleep to believe in it.

Constantine made Pauline (trinitarian) Christianity the state religion, but Charlemagne made Christian poverty the state law.  This is what kept Europe in the Dark Ages for centuries ~ all the wealth was tied up with the maintenance of feudal armies and the gold decorations, chalices and vestments of the Catholic clergy, none of it was used for production or trade, which were considered "sinful" and literally outlawed.

Free market capitalism came to Europe from the millennial muslim world ~ see Gene W. Heck's Charlemagne, Muhammad, and the Arab Roots of Capitalism (deGruyter, Berlin, 2006, ISBN 3-11-019229-2*).  What was not imported from the Arab muslim empire (along with reliable hard-metal currency, corporate enterprise, capital investment, international banking, and free trade) was the dues on wealth ~ the recirculation of capital ~ that makes free market capitalism a viable social economy.  What was kept in Europe that was abolished in the Arab muslim empire was usury ~ interest and other forms of non-producing profit-taking.

[* $98.98 including shipping from Amazon.  I couldn't get the book a second time from interlibrary loan, so bought a copy ~ the most I've ever paid for a book.  But well worth the price for the information in it.  I think the price is high because it's used as a textbook in post-graduate doctoral studies.]

The bottom line is that prosperity creates poverty.  Unless prosperity ~ the growth of common wealth ~ is made common at least to the point of meeting the needs of all members of a society, then poverty destroys prosperity.

America boasts ~ falsely ~ that it is the wealthiest country in the world.  Meanwhile, so-called "primitive" and "technologically backward" societies in the terminally-collapsed millennial muslim world suffer none of the terminally negative effects of systemic poverty because those societies meet the needs of all of their members.  Notably, it is those places in the Promised Land (Ethiopia, Sudan, Somalia, etc.) that are under Israeli-orchestrated attack (motivated by oil as well as Israeli imperialism) that suffer the ravages of runaway capitalism.  Yet even in Somalia, where the people rejected nationalism in favor of traditional local autonomy, prosperity is growing in leaps and bounds without taxation and a "national government."  See, for example, libertarian Michael van Notten's The Law of the Somalis (Red Sea Press 2006, ISBN 1-56902-249-6 (cloth), 1-56902-250-X (paperback)), for the real reasons the European nations are so interested in "piracy" in the Horn of Africa.

No:  Karl Marx analyzed "free-market capitalism" as seen in industrialized Europe quite accurately as to its cycles and effects, but he proposed a "cure" worse than the disease.  Ayn Rand merely enshrined Darwinian economics and made it worse.  John Forbes Nash Jr. was a brilliant economist -- he won the Nobel Prize for economics.  He refuted Adam Smith, saying that the best outcome came from working for what is in the best interest of the individual and the group (society at large).  The most effective and proven method is recirculation of capital (at an annual rate of 2.5%), not "trickle-down" or "income taxation" or other ways of shearing the sheep for the benefit of capital profits.

Taxing fixed capital at a rate of 2.5% annually would provide sufficient revenue to eliminate all other forms of taxation, eliminate "deficit spending," and retire the national debt.  Find the statistics on America's capital base (if you can) and do the math.  Those who can afford to pay their dues ~ aren't.  That's the problem.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Zampan0 on May 18, 2009, 01:14:55 PM
"Taxing fixed capital at a rate of 2.5% annually would provide sufficient revenue to eliminate all other forms of taxation, eliminate "deficit spending," and retire the national debt."

I am sure this is true.  This along with import tariffs would be more than sufficiant to create a 'safety net' for all.  Karl Marx also invented the progressive income tax.   Karl's associates hood-winked W. Wilson into our beginnings of Communism/Zionism.  Yes we are taxed far more than the serf's of the middle ages.   But, look what our huge welfare system has done to the poor, it has made them poorer.  Generation after generation now expect welfare and in truth, are better off than working a low wage job.  I think we are on the same page, but the 'Trickle Down" strategy actually creates jobs while 'Welfare' creates poverty.  The whole question is moot anyway though.  It's too late, the system is firmly in place, controlled by pychopaths at the top who love 'Welfare'.  The entrepreneur's (that haven't left yet) could take less than 25% of this welfare money (if the pychopaths changed the laws that make it more profitable to  manufacture off shore) and create millions of  good paying jobs. This would stop the generational welfare state that leads to the destitution of the United States.

Your premise is good in that the Muslem States of which you speak did in fact "put away" this 2.5%.  What I think you are missing in the question, is that our pychopatic "leaders" use every nickel in the general fund and borrow more just to keep the scam rolling.  The only money they put away, is put away in their own pockets.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: FrankDialogue on May 18, 2009, 01:56:27 PM
We obviously need to bring Sharia law to the United States and jettison all notions of Christian civilization, as it is backward and European Christendom owes all enlightened aspects to Islamic culture...And we must change all ridiculous notions in regards to Isa...The false notions of His divinity have been promulgated by the Roman Catholic Church, influenced by the infidel Paul...Not only that, the filthy Church kept the peoples of Europe under an unbearable yoke, all for the sake of the worship of gold, in the form of chalices and other idolatrous ornaments collected by the horde of swine in Rome...Perhaps the newly emmigrated Muslims here could team up with the Jews, as they did in Spain, to transform our society...Insha'Allah.    ::)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 18, 2009, 04:02:20 PM
Quote
The false notions of His divinity have been promulgated by the Roman Catholic Church, influenced by the infidel Paul...Not only that, the filthy Church kept the peoples of Europe under an unbearable yoke, all for the sake of the worship of gold, in the form of chalices and other idolatrous ornaments collected by the horde of swine in Rome

I guess you didnt hear of the Period known as the Renaissance, Frank?
You know, the one that occured under Catholic reign..music, art, sculpture, human and itellectual transformations.

Or the Creation of the Bible itself, the First Bibles printed under the printing press were in Latin, despite what the Protestant Shills tell you.
(Luther only translated them in the German vulgate, replete with 150 mistranslations in the KJV, with the word JEW appearing for the first time.)

Or the University System, Hospital system set up in Europe BY the Catholic Church.
(First University was created however,  by Muslims)

Historian Paul Legutko of Stanford University said the Catholic Church is "at the center of the development of the values, ideas, science, laws, and institutions which constitute what we call Western civilization.

Francisco de Vitoria, a disciple of Thomas Aquinas and a Catholic thinker, is recognized by the United Nations as a Father of International Law
Presently, the Church operates the world's largest non-governmental school system/

Catholic leadership Condemned infanticide, divorce, incest, polygamy and marital infidelity.

Do you really want me to comment on your statements regarding idolatry or was that 'tongue in cheek'?

The Muslim/Arabic culture introduced many, many wonderful advancements to mankind..from optics, to mathematics to the Crankshaft to surgical instruments, innoculations, soap, coffee, sea faring, to high rise architecture and construction, to an alphabet system.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 18, 2009, 06:15:28 PM
"The bottom line is that prosperity creates poverty.  Unless prosperity ~ the growth of common wealth ~ is made common at least to the point of meeting the needs of all members of a society, then poverty destroys prosperity."

Thanks for this informative enlightening post.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 18, 2009, 07:31:35 PM
Taxing fixed capital at a rate of 2.5% annually would provide sufficient revenue to eliminate all other forms of taxation, eliminate "deficit spending," and retire the national debt.  Find the statistics on America's capital base (if you can) and do the math.  Those who can afford to pay their dues ~ aren't.  That's the problem.

I enjoy reading yours and Frank's informative posts, and I thank you as well.... WRS
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 18, 2009, 07:37:38 PM
We obviously need to bring Sharia law to the United States and jettison all notions of Christian civilization, as it is backward and European Christendom owes all enlightened aspects to Islamic culture...And we must change all ridiculous notions in regards to Isa...The false notions of His divinity have been promulgated by the Roman Catholic Church, influenced by the infidel Paul...Not only that, the filthy Church kept the peoples of Europe under an unbearable yoke, all for the sake of the worship of gold, in the form of chalices and other idolatrous ornaments collected by the horde of swine in Rome...Perhaps the newly emmigrated Muslims here could team up with the Jews, as they did in Spain, to transform our society...Insha'Allah.    ::)

What is Shariah?


The word Shariah means "the path to a watering hole." It denotes an Islamic way of life `“ not just a system of criminal justice.

It is a code of living that most Muslims adopt as part of their faith. Some countries formally institute it as the law of the land, enforced by the courts.

However, the way Shariah law is applied from country to country can vary widely.

How did it originate?

According to Muslim scholars, the Prophet Muhammad laid down the laws. Some of the laws are said to be direct commands stated in the Qur'an. Other laws were based on rulings Muhammad is said to have given to cases that occurred during his lifetime. These secondary laws are based on what's called the Sunnah `“ the Prophet's words, example and way of life.

One of the major concerns of people critical of Shariah law is that it is subject to interpretation and evolution. There is virtually no formal certification process to designate someone as being qualified to interpret Islamic law.

As it stands today, almost anyone can make rulings as long as they have the appearance of piety and a group of followers.

Why have Shariah law in Canada?

Many Muslims believe that because Canada is a secular country, its secular legal system makes it difficult for them to govern themselves by the personal laws of their own religion. For instance, Canada's marriage and divorce laws differ from Muslim law.

It can be important for a Muslim to be granted a divorce under Muslim law, especially if he or she intends to move to a Muslim country in the future and remarry.

Another concern for some is that if a Muslim dies without a will in Ontario, the estate would be divided according to Ontario law as opposed to Muslim law.

How did Shariah come to be considered in Canadian jurisdictions?

In 1991, Ontario was looking for ways to ease the burdens of a backlogged court system. So the province changed its Arbitration Act to allow "faith-based arbitration" `“ a system where Muslims, Jews, Catholics and members of other faiths could use the guiding principles of their religions to settle family disputes such as divorce, custody and inheritances outside the court system.

It's voluntary `“ both parties (a husband and wife) have to agree to go through the process. But once they do, the decisions rendered by the tribunal are binding.

The Ontario government has been reviewing its Arbitration Act and on Dec. 20, 2004, it released a report conducted by former attorney general Marion Boyd. Among her 46 recommendations was that:

    * The Arbitration Act should continue to allow disputes to be arbitrated using religious law,
       if the safeguards currently prescribed and recommended by this review are observed.

Earlier in the year, the Islamic Institute of Civil Justice said it wanted to set up its own faith-based arbitration panels under the Arbitration Act, based on Shariah law.

The proposal ran into opposition from women's groups, legal organizations and the Muslim Canadian Congress, which all warned that the 1,400-year-old Shariah law does not view women as equal to men.

In her report, Boyd noted that some "participants in the Review fear that the use of arbitration is the beginning of a process whose end goal is a separate political identity for Muslims in Canada, that has not been the experience of other groups who use arbitration."

In May 2005, the Quebec National Assembly unanimously supported a motion to block the use of Shariah law in Quebec courts.

What are the concerns about establishing Shariah law in a Canadian jurisdiction?

The National Association of Women and the Law, the Canadian Council of Muslim Women, and the National Organization of Immigrant and Visible Minority Women of Canada argued that under Shariah law, men and women are not treated equally.

They argued that women fare far worse in divorce, child custody and inheritance matters under Shariah law. For instance, a woman can only inherit half as much as a man can. If a divorced woman remarries, custody of the children from her previous marriage may revert to the children's father.

How would Shariah law apply in Ontario?

First, it's not clear the term "Shariah law" would even be used. Several groups that appeared before Boyd's process of reviewing the Arbitration Act say it's not Shariah law they want to set up but a Muslim Personal/Family Law process which has its roots in Shariah.

The arbitration process as set out in the Arbitration Act is voluntary. Most of the concerns about the creation of "Shariah" tribunals have focused on the fear that Muslim women may feel they are being forced into taking part in a process of binding arbitration according to Muslim family law instead of resolving their disputes through the court system.

In her report, former Ontario attorney general Marion Boyd stressed that any faith-based system would have to conform to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 18, 2009, 07:38:43 PM
I think we are on the same page, but the 'Trickle Down" strategy actually creates jobs while 'Welfare' creates poverty.

"Trickle Down" uses YOUR money to do in miniature what recirculation of capital would do effectively.

And the "welfare" sector of the economy was established to "prime the pump" and keep businesses afloat.  When people have no money, they can't spend ~ spending drives business ~ therefore "transfer" tax revenues to people without money, increase the size of the market, stimulate business.  That's the economic theory behind "welfare," including food stamps and all other "entitlement" programs, it is related to hunger and poverty only in the sense that the dispensers of the funds know that the recipients have to spend the money in the marketplace.

It does not "increase" poverty.  Affluence increases poverty.  Prices go up when the affluent have more money to spend, but wages and income do not go up.  "Welfare" is worse, just as Social Security is worse ~ "fixed income" levels never go up anywhere near as fast as prices and the cost of living.  And when business starts to lag, one of the first things to go is those "cost of living increases" in government-dispensed fixed incomes.

I don't need or want a hot tub, an SUV, or an HDTV.  Many Americans are already quite comfortable and are not interested in joining the Jet Set.  This aggravates Madison Avenue, which works very hard to inspire wants and wishes that drive people to seek higher incomes.  It particularly aggravates the plutocrats regarding "black" Americans, who do not typically have the obsession with "things" that other Americans have ~ my experience living in far-far-south black-on-black Chicago for seven years taught me that the average black American is much more oriented on family and friends and people than on material affluence, quite the opposite of my sixty-some-odd years living among "white" Americans.  In short, those who are satisfied with little ~ that is, those mentioned with approval in the New Testament ~ do not drive the industrial consumerism economy:  those obsessed with acquisition do, hence Madison Avenue.

Corporations are accountable only in the marketplace.  The US Supreme Court has ruled that the only affirmative "duty" of a corporation is to make a profit.  Mercantile corporatism and industrial consumerism have produced predatory despotism that afflicts the entire population.  The basic premises of American "society" are anti-human and anti-social.  On the individual level, most Americans transcend Darwinian "survival of the fittest" attitudes toward their neighbors ~ on a social level, Darwinian competition is the law of the land.  And while "competition in the marketplace" drives a robust increase in the commonwealth, it does not become "common" for the reasons I've already discussed:  those who succeed in the competitive market environment do not pay their dues, and what they do "return" is seriously calculated to not increase competition.  What needs to be harnessed is the entrepreneurial energy of those who do not have the means to move their ambitions into the marketplace ~ in other words, more new businesses offering more competition along with new jobs and new spending.  The plutocrats are not interested in that, and as a result, the poverty their success creates is threatening to bring down the whole house of cards.  Remember:  over 90% of criminal prosecutions in America arise out of poverty, and that is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of the real social costs of failing to eliminate poverty.

It has been done before, it's history: true commonwealth has been established at least twice.  And collapses have happened before, two notable examples are the French revolution and the Soviet revolution (poverty was the driving force behind both, although the revolution did not solve that problem for obvious reasons).

Making the commonwealth "common" would be trivial with industrialization, particularly with the more modern technological advances enhancing productive and distributive capacities.  An example:  Food banks across the country distribute, free, food that has been given to them by grocery chains (and written off as "business losses" on their tax returns).  The bottom line is that overstocking produces more profits, even with the losses engendered by "expiration dates" on the foodstuffs.  Food banks distribute what are expensive foods ~ avocados, prepared foods of all varieties, tons of breads and pastries, imported foods, et cetera.  The difference is that these groceries are always available at the grocery store, while particular items are available through food banks on a happenstance basis.  The grocery chains are not losing money, they are among the most profitable enterprises in the country.

Human beings automatically over-produce.  It's built in, it's our nature.  With industrialization, this intrinsic quality has taken a quantum leap.  Economics is no longer a "zero-sum game."  With massive underemployment, America still accounts for a quarter of the world's actual production.  We have the capacity to eliminate poverty without any effort at all ~ as soon as the captains of industry realize that elimination of poverty is just as much an "outside economy" that increases their economic power just as much as public education or rural electrification did.

Agriculture recognized this years ago.  As a result, American food giants are underselling local producers around the world ~ and making huge profits even with the shipping costs and low prices in third-world regions.  Jamaica is one example, see "Life and Debt" from Netflix ~ http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Life_and_Debt/60027842

We're too wealthy to tolerate poverty.  But we're not paying the dues on wealth.  That's dangerous.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 18, 2009, 07:57:49 PM
Sharia law is another term for Muslims practicing their Faiuth and being villified for it by Jews.

Catholics used to practice their Faith.

Women were Required to wear Head coverings, dress modestly, Pray for conversion of Jews, no birth control, no porn, Tithe, no abortion, have large families,  no co-mingling with Jews or Protestants, no tv or Jew media.....
A way of life in fact, very similar in fact TO practicing Muslims.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 18, 2009, 08:39:11 PM
Sharia law is another term for Muslims practicing their Faith and being vilified for it by Jews.

Catholics used to practice their Faith.

Women were Required to wear Head coverings, dress modestly, Pray for conversion of Jews, no birth control, no porn, Tithe, no abortion, have large families,  no co-mingling with Jews or Protestants, no tv or Jew media.....
A way of life in fact, very similar in fact TO practicing Muslims.

Times have changed; the Province of Quebec (Canada) is predominantly Catholic - yet - they had the lowest birth-rate in the nation. (Thanks to birth control pills?)

The Catholic Pope get's on his knees at the Wailing Wall, he was not praying for conversions.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 18, 2009, 08:44:27 PM
The Muslim/Arabic culture introduced many, many wonderful advancements to mankind ... from optics, to mathematics to the Crankshaft to surgical instruments, inoculations, soap, coffee, sea faring, to high rise architecture and construction, to an alphabet system.

And what had been Indian numbering systems; astral navigation; algebra, spherical trigonometry, calculus, algorithms, surveying; federalism, the democratic franchise, constitutional republics, the "Bill of Particulars" that eventually became the jury system; hospital wards; pharmacy (the Arabic compendium of pharmaceutical plants was the primary text for Europe for 800 years); corporations, capital investment, financial instruments, international banking and monetary transfer; Aristotle's lost writings; sherbet; refrigeration; chimneys; indoor plumbing and sanitation; all of the ancient Greek philosophical and Roman republican writings, after others had burned down the library at Alexandria; medical sciences from the ancient Orient; in short, all of previous science, technology and learning that had survived the collapse of previous civilizations ~ all of it was gathered up by muslims responding to the call of the Qur'an to "examine the creation" that fostered what we know today as the empirical sciences and the "scientific method."  All of this took place while Europe languished in the Dark Ages.

But in an interesting bit of irony ...

The Reconquista caused Jews (and educated Christians) to flee north to the European interior.  They had been preserving and developing all those sciences ~ along with muslim and Christian scholars ~ in Moorish Spain for several hundred years, and took it all with them ~ or what they could carry or remember.  This is what started the Renaissance and the emergence of Europe from the Dark Ages.  See "Cities of Light" http://www.shoppbs.org/product/index.jsp?productId=2840047 for the history.  So "Christianity" did bring about the Renaissance ~ by driving Jews north from Islamic Spain.

Muslims, who had destroyed muslim Spain with their internecine fighting, fled to the south and east, along with Jews who knew where they would be safer from pogroms and other assorted European Christian "services" for Jews.  So while the muslims are certainly to be credited with the preservation and collection and astounding development of science, it was primarily the Jews who carried it into northern Europe, followed by the educated Christians who were a bit slower to realize the danger to them of the Spanish Inquisition.  What muslims took to Europe was capitalism, before the Reconquista.

And in another bit of irony, muslims today flee the terminally collapsed millennial muslim world to come to America, which resulted from people fleeing Europe for the sake of religious freedom, and carried science and technology forward by the means of free market capitalism driven by material ambition.

What is unique about America in today's world is religious liberty.  Nowhere else in the world is religious liberty so integral to the basic social consciousness of the people as in America.  This is why many muslims regard America as the "most muslim" country in the world ~ already ~ and why many have immigrated here from the old "muslim world" where it is quite absent, as it is in a practical sense in Europe.

But we do need to change a little of our thinking ~ to become a little more "Christian," actually ~ in order to start to fulfill the promises of the American Dream "with liberty and justice for all."  We (muslims) will try to make Islam known to people, but the bottom line is that Islam is only for people who want it, it's not for "everybody."

After all ~ what people of what other faith have a religious mandate to preserve and protect the religious faiths and communities of other people than themselves?  Can you imagine a Pauline Christian who believes that he has a duty to protect Jewish synagogues?  Or a Jew who thinks he has a religious obligation to respect and protect Christian churches?

Some people have quite an imagination about a lot of things ~ history, religion, politics, economics, etc.

"The muslims are coming, the muslims are coming."

No, we've been here all along ... at the very roots of the American federal constitutional democratic republic.

But don't tell Frank ... he seems to think that Islam is one monolithic Gush Emunim messianic cult,* bent on removing the "offense to God" of all other "subhuman" infidels.  Let's not disturb him with the facts ...

[* see Israel Shahak and Norton Mezvinsky's Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel (Pluto Press 1999, ISBN 0-7453-1281-0, $12.39 from Amazon) ~ Talmudic Zionists paint Islam in Gush Emunim's true colors.]

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 18, 2009, 08:48:58 PM
Or the University System, Hospital system set up in Europe BY the Catholic Church.
(First University was created however,  by Muslims)


Actually the first teaching hospital was established by Harun ar-Rashid, the Abbasid caliph from twelve centuries ago who collected the 2.5% from across the Arab muslim empire and found no "poor" eligible to receive it.  All patient care costs and all medical student expenses were paid by the state ...
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 18, 2009, 08:52:21 PM
Not only that, the filthy Church kept the peoples of Europe under an unbearable yoke, all for the sake of the worship of gold, in the form of chalices and other idolatrous ornaments collected by the horde of swine in Rome...

Now, now, Frank ~ the serfs were kept by the feudal lords, not the Church, and the gold chalices and vestments and other trappings of the Church were glorification of God and made to honor Christ, not "idolatrous ornaments."

But "you are what you eat," and raising pigs is still a major industry in Christian countries ...
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 18, 2009, 09:02:43 PM
The word Shariah means "the path to a watering hole." It denotes an Islamic way of life `“ not just a system of criminal justice.

I hope you don't mind if I adjust that a little ...

The word Shariah means "a path that leads to water." It denotes an Islamic way of life `“ not just a system of criminal justice.

And in actuality the "system of criminal justice" developed during the Abbasid tyranny is absolutely contrary to the muslim shari'ah and to all other revealed shari'aat (plural:  every religion has a "shari'ah" and a "minhaj" or "way of ascent").  And it is largely responsible for the total collapse of the millennial muslim world.

But that's a very long discussion ... actually two very long discussions ...

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 18, 2009, 09:07:53 PM
In 1991, Ontario ... changed its Arbitration Act to allow "faith-based arbitration" `“ a system where Muslims, Jews, Catholics and members of other faiths could use the guiding principles of their religions to settle family disputes such as divorce, custody and inheritances outside the court system.

This is utterly congruent with the actual shari'ah of Islam.  It is an example of "pluralistic justice," which is one of Islam's mandates:  every community self-governed according to their own law.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 18, 2009, 09:25:29 PM
"One of the major concerns of people critical of Shariah law is that it is subject to interpretation and evolution. There is virtually no formal certification process to designate someone as being qualified to interpret Islamic law."

As well it should be ... as well it has been.  The arguments are prejudiced against the original heirs, the modern-day Muslim world, just like they counted against native Americans, who even my own father - whose mother was a G-grade social worker with the Bureau of Indian Affairs out west - insists were complete 'savages'

By the same token, sons and daughters of authentic American nation-building heritage, in terms of ancestral root - including most all American Blacks AND surviving natives AND many many Latinos - has become all but meaningless, as in having any legally-binding provision of right ... or even right-of-way, in this latest zio-political economic 'slump' [post-security-blitz/war-locking phase].

I'll make the argument here again that good modern legal code is the closest thing we have to The Will of God in 'index-book' form.  That's the only available type of playbook out there in the endless clash between Team Life and the 'Bought Squad'.  Without it, there could have been no good nation to ... bring to its overweight knees.

Destinctions of identity are extremely important.  We need some new kind of social reponsibility classification ratings board, in my opinion.  It might be called the SRC Index, fow example.  Time to press Wikipedia for some upgrades, but 'popularity' is yet another whole field full of manipulation and deception in itself.  Democratic thought has been man-handled to the point of mass bewitchment [if that's even a word].

Sociological meaning of 9/11: stepping through the looking-glass [see also: Alice]?

The Palestinians should definitely be able to sue Israel hard, but it's the who their up against that can 'bar' it, by obstruction of the standing law.  I'd call that evidence myself, but have other fish to fritter, too.

(http://www.fws.gov/arrowwood/Arrowwood_WMD/mallard.jpg)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 18, 2009, 09:49:50 PM
Sharia law is another term for Muslims practicing their Faith and being vilified for it by Jews.

Catholics used to practice their Faith.

Women were Required to wear Head coverings, dress modestly, Pray for conversion of Jews, no birth control, no porn, Tithe, no abortion, have large families,  no co-mingling with Jews or Protestants, no tv or Jew media ...

A way of life in fact, very similar in fact TO practicing Muslims.


The Qur'an calls upon women to cover their breasts (actually the upper chest up to the bottom of the neck).  Covering their hair (or faces) is from other cultures and is not "required" by the religion.  Muslim women that you see in America who cover their hair (or their faces) do so because they want to ~ usually as a privacy thing ~ except, of course, where American law makes it illegal.

We do not "pray for conversion" of anyone.  We "want for others" what we "want for ourselves."  That's religious liberty ~ for us, Islam; for others, what they choose.

We regard "birth control" as a vain undertaking ~ which, even with modern drugs, it can be.

We treat infanticide as murder.  We find no authority to forbid abortion, although causing a miscarriage is a civil tort.

We do not isolate ourselves from Jews and Christians.  But we do not entrust our affairs to them, either, primarily because they are under no obligation ~ like we are ~ to guard the interests of others, and also because what Jews and Christians value often differs from what we value.  "To you your devotions, to me mine."

But Yes, "A way of life in fact, very similar in fact TO practicing Muslims" ~

"You will find those nearest in friendship to the faithful to be those who say 'We are Christians.'  This is because among them there are priests and monks and because they are not proud."

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 18, 2009, 10:33:14 PM
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This is utterly congruent with the actual shari'ah of Islam.  It is an example of "pluralistic justice," which is one of Islam's mandates: every community self-governed according to their own law.

Very interesting, I did not know that.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 19, 2009, 02:19:58 AM
Man in court over racist YouTube video
19th May 2009, 14:00 WST

A Perth man who allegedly posted an anti-Semitic video on YouTube has appeared in court on a charge of conduct likely to incite animosity or racist harassment.

Brendon Lee O`Connell, 38, of Maylands was released on $5000 bail and ordered not to go within 100m of the young Jewish man he allegedly taunted outside a South Perth shopping centre that was hosting a peaceful rally.

In Perth Magistrate's Court today, police requested that Mr O'Connell stay away from any Jewish facilities and Campbell Barracks.

While on bail, Mr O'Connell must report to police daily. He was remanded to reappear in court on June 9.

PERTH
GIORDANO STOLLEY
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Zampan0 on May 19, 2009, 06:56:18 AM
"And the "welfare" sector of the economy was established to "prime the pump" and keep businesses afloat.  When people have no money, they can't spend ~ spending drives business ~ therefore "transfer" tax revenues to people without money, increase the size of the market, stimulate business.  That's the economic theory behind "welfare,"

That's basically the therory of Communism also.

""Trickle Down" uses YOUR money to do in miniature what recirculation of capital would do effectively."

The only way I make money is by manufacturing a consumer product.  I would much rather have my taxes go to helping the American business' stay in America and create jobs in America so that all can prosper.  It would seem true wealth/money can only be achieved by producing something.  You and I differ in that I consider producing jobs rather than babies to be more important and "effective" to the better welfare of the American people.  I like babies ok, but money can only come out of thin air for so long, then, there is no money left.  People need useful jobs not continuous hand-outs.

But, as I said before, your ideas are in place.  I'm afraid it will take a total breakdown of our ecconomic system the way it is, in order to start  afresh.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 19, 2009, 07:16:10 AM
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A Perth man who allegedly posted an anti-Semitic video on YouTube has appeared in court on a charge of conduct likely to incite animosity or racist harassment.
Brendon Lee O`Connell, 38, of Maylands was released on $5000 bail and ordered not to go within 100m of the young Jewish man he allegedly taunted outside a South Perth shopping centre that was hosting a peaceful rally.
In Perth Magistrate's Court today, police requested that Mr O'Connell stay away from any Jewish facilities and Campbell Barracks.
While on bail, Mr O'Connell must report to police daily. He was remanded to reappear in court on June 9.
PERTH
GIORDANO STOLLEY



Brandon NEEDS to COUNTERSUE....
this Khazar assaulted him, grabbed his camera and baited.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 19, 2009, 08:28:43 AM

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I hope you don't mind if I adjust that a little ...

The word Shariah means "a path that leads to water." It denotes an Islamic way of life `“ not just a system of criminal justice.

Not at all. Lost in translation? A path (one of many) sounds a lot nicer.

The path to a watering hole is for domesticated animals, in my mind anyway.
(But then, why does the word 'sheeple' comes to mind? Does that term not
suggest domestication?)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Zampan0 on May 19, 2009, 08:37:54 AM
"Brandon NEEDS to COUNTERSUE....
this Khazar assaulted him, grabbed his camera and baited."

I just watched one video of Brandon.  The one where he is at the fruit market and video taping two young J-wish fella's that took a pic of him.  It seems Brandon went out of his way to start a confrontation with the two J-ws.  To me, Brandon's speech towards these J-ws was in bad form, the two J-ws actually gained my sympathy.  Of course Brandon is correct about most of what he says, and the court system should not be allowed to give him any time what so ever because of his speech.   It just seems that any one wanting to change peoples views on "Hate Speech" should be more manerly.  It just occured to me that Brandon may be an agent provocateur.  He ranted at the two J-wish youths in such a way as to have people sympathize with the J-ws.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 19, 2009, 08:57:54 AM
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It seems Brandon went out of his way to start a confrontation with the two J-ws. 

Zio Talk.

The Khazars  took HIS Photo, without HIS Permission.
They were scolded for it. As it should be. Fair is fari, right?
They were then interviewed and given alot of time to talk, rant, accuse, defend and Zio Babble.
They were then chastised for their Supremist Hatred and Lies and lectured about it.

Brandon handled himself well.


Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 19, 2009, 09:26:51 AM
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"One of the major concerns of people critical of Shariah law is that it is subject to interpretation and evolution. There is virtually no formal certification process to designate someone as being qualified to interpret Islamic law."

Democratic thought has been man-handled to the point of mass bewitchment [if that's even a word].[/quote]

I like that word, it suggests unlimited ill-will and wickedness. (Speaking of 'new' words, Sherianne coined a new
word too 'cryptosupremacist', derived from hidden; secret: cryptoclastic.)

Speaking of evolution, look at you Ducky (http://www.fws.gov/arrowwood/Arrowwood_WMD/mallard.jpg)
now I hardly recognize you... (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=836;type=avatar) (But I do miss my ducky.   :'(  ^ ^ ^ ^ ^  )

Well yes, EVOLUTION is ongoing, nothing ever remains the same ~ facts don't go away....
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 19, 2009, 10:12:44 AM
Man in court over racist YouTube video
19th May 2009, 14:00 WST

A Perth man who allegedly posted an anti-Semitic video on YouTube has appeared in court on a charge of conduct likely to incite animosity or racist harassment.

Brendon Lee O`Connell, 38, of Maylands was released on $5000 bail and ordered not to go within 100m of the young Jewish man he allegedly taunted outside a South Perth shopping centre that was hosting a peaceful rally.

In Perth Magistrate's Court today, police requested that Mr O'Connell stay away from any Jewish facilities and Campbell Barracks.

While on bail, Mr O'Connell must report to police daily. He was remanded to reappear in court on June 9.

PERTH
GIORDANO STOLLEY

Sunday, May 17, 2009
Brendon O'Connel Israel Intelligence Operating Down Under

http://whitelawtowers.blogspot.com/2009/05/brendon-oconnel-israel-intellegence.html

http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=2444686&server=vimeo.com&show_title=1&show_byline=1&show_portrait=0&color=&fullscreen=1

Watch the video. It is well done. No wonder they need to silence him.

He conducts himself calm and cool, he is well-spoken. It would be interesting to find out who put up
the bail?

Now, someone mentioned here that his 'lights' came on about 3 years, or so, ago. I find that hard to
believe.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: amonvanroark on May 19, 2009, 10:28:52 AM
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Now, someone mentioned here that his 'lights' came on about 3 years, or so, ago.

He said that he became aware of the jew problem about three years before, on LF, a few years ago. That would make it about five years as of now.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 19, 2009, 11:04:11 AM
He said that he became aware of the jew problem about three years before, on LF, a few years ago. That would make it about five years as of now.

Correct, time flies. So why then would he hit on the very people who have basically agreed with him?

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Zampan0 on May 19, 2009, 11:07:38 AM
"Brandon handled himself well."

Didn't Brandon slap the one J-w fairly hard for touching his camera??  It must have been a very light touch because I didn't even see it. If I were the J-w,  Brandon would have a broken nose.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 19, 2009, 11:47:46 AM
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So why then would he hit on the very people who have basically agreed with him?


Because this forum, like many others, is crawling with Zio Khazars and their worker bees.

Misinformation, disinformation, controlling dissent, and/or data mining.
Or arguing for the sake of it, to tie up a resource that is against their cause and effective.
Thats Why.




Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 19, 2009, 11:53:12 AM
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Didn't Brandon slap the one J-w fairly hard for touching his camera??  It must have been a very light touch because I didn't even see it.
If I were the J-w,  Brandon would have a broken nose.


TO ZAMPAN0: What do you mean 'If i was a Jew'? 
Be proud of who you are...mate. So what if you are?

Brandon swatted the Khazars hand, which had already tried to knock his video recorder out of his hand & to the ground, once.

If you or anyone else punches someone, you better be prepared to hurt them.
Because there is that possibility that they will In fact, hurt you.

Perhaps theyre well trained and actually like fighting and enjoy getting hit. Some guys do and have lots of experience hitting and getting hit. Or ending fights quickly.

You think a broken nose ends a fight?  Ive got news for you...it  doesnt. It starts one.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Zampan0 on May 19, 2009, 12:29:14 PM
Like I said, I only watched the one video and it looked to me like Brandon slapped the J-w across the face pretty hard.  Maybe I'm wrong and should re watch it.  Do you have a link for it??

"You think a broken nose ends a fight?  Ive got news for you...it  doesnt. It starts one."

I don't like to fight at all, but if someone slaps me across the face, I'm ready to rock.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 19, 2009, 12:44:10 PM
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Because this forum, like many others, is crawling with Zio Khazars and their worker bees.

Misinformation, disinformation, controlling dissent, and/or data mining.
Or arguing for the sake of it, to tie up a resource that is against their cause and effective.
That's Why.

True, and we certainly saw that on LF, a much larger forum. We are a relatively small group, but most of us, or at least some of us, can recognize a pig by the way it walks. No? (Nothing personal.)  :)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Zampan0 on May 19, 2009, 12:56:22 PM
You Tube no longer shows the vid.  I found it here:  http://ziofascism.net/blog/?p=1115  it's the last one at the bottom.  Look at #:35-3:45, Brandon gave the J-w a fairly hard slap.

"What do you mean 'If i was a Jew'? 
Be proud of who you are...mate. So what if you are?"

I said if I WERE the J-w.  I am who I am and if I were slapped like that, I would punch the idiot that slapped me.  After re watching the vid., I don't think Brandon is an agent provocateur, he's just stupid.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 19, 2009, 12:57:08 PM
Because this forum, like many others, is crawling with Zio Khazars and their worker bees.

Actually it's NOT.

More than most, the people that post here regularly are relatively aware of who is who.   A poster is known by who they support.

With a couple of exceptions, I'm pretty damn sure who is who around here.

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Misinformation, disinformation, controlling dissent, and/or data mining.

is relatively QUICKLY observed and noted.   I just don't believe that there are any "undercover" jews amongst us.   Even Gabor who posts here has always been clear he is a jew.  Gelignite claims he is not and may not be, yet he pushes illogical conclusions so I don't know where he is coming from.

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Or arguing for the sake of it, to tie up a resource that is against their cause and effective.
Thats Why.

It's clearly NOT the case, but you are welcome to your paranoid deduction.

Brendon went left at the chevy upon being coerced by America and Inri.  There has always been something far from correct in their thinking.  

I just remembered WHY I got lumped in with the "jews" by team America.  It was all about Liz (E.T.)  I have known Liz for many years.  We are personal friends and she has helped get me published.   I feel like I am VERY familiar with her position as a strong supporter for years.   It was my support of HER that got me a seat on the "ship of jews".

Without trying to cause a problem with you Walt, you are doing EXACTLY what team America did.  Searching for rats in the pantry when there is really no need.  They have to come out and feed at some point, and when they do, they are easily, quickly and permanantly recognized as the vermin they are.

You had made mention in an earlier post, that you may have had a helping hand in "outing" a couple of zionists here at Nola.  I ask you once again, WHO that was and what were the circumstances.   I did take a break for a few months and may just be unaware of the situation.

As far as I know, the last REAL infestation was nearly two years ago with Kreplach, Rachel1958 and the Orange crew.    

This site is WAY to militant in thought for an undercover zionist to last very long without outright exposing themselves or leaving out of frustration on their own.

There is a time and place for paranoia, but that line of thinking that inri employed, of calling everyone a jew if they disagreed with him is juvenile at best and seriously damaging within the camp at most.

I understand you are passionate on this issue, I think we ALL are here.  But some people have a way of dealing with such issues in a way that fiery souls such as you and I have no patience for.  

All is well, you are pretty darn safe here... :D  
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 19, 2009, 02:37:04 PM
You Tube no longer shows the vid.  I found it here:  http://ziofascism.net/blog/?p=1115  it's the last one at the bottom.  Look at #:35-3:45, Brandon gave the J-w a fairly hard slap.

"What do you mean 'If i was a Jew'? 
Be proud of who you are...mate. So what if you are?"

I said if I WERE the J-w.  I am who I am and if I were slapped like that, I would punch the idiot that slapped me.  After re watching the vid., I don't think Brandon is an agent provocateur, he's just stupid.

Brendon is actually not stupid ~ the video we watched, was. Take a look at my previous post, I had flagged you to it.

   Sunday, May 17, 2009
   Brendon O'Connel Israel Intelligence Operating Down Under

   http://whitelawtowers.blogspot.com/2009/05/brendon-oconnel-israel-intellegence.html

   http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=2444686&server=vimeo.com&show_title=1&show_byline=1&show_portrait=0&color=&fullscreen=1

   Watch the video. It is well done. No wonder they need to silence him.

   He conducts himself calm and cool, he is well-spoken. It would be interesting to find out
   who put up the bail?

I had 10 minutes left to watch this... you decide what you think of the ending.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 19, 2009, 02:52:23 PM
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Without trying to cause a problem with you Walt, you are doing EXACTLY what team America did.  Searching for rats in the pantry when there is really no need.

Flagging: EFFENDI


Rats are everywhere, including here.
I dont make it a point to expose them..they know and I Know WHO they are. I just make mental notes.
As stated, it keeps me on my toes.

Id prefer the Jews just come out.
Ive no problem with the riteous ones. We can work together possibly, to an extent.
The Others or cryptos, are the real reason Khazars are Hated..We Know WHO you are, just be who you are, take a postition and defend it. However wrong it may be.

And Im not paranoid. Im paranormal.
Thanks very much.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 19, 2009, 03:48:30 PM
There's an easy way to identify these JEWISH fucks, and that's by their denial of basic facts, such as the power, control and influence JEWS have in the media........it's one thing to be unaware of it , but once made aware, a disgusting JEW will deny it.

There are only 3 reasonable explanations for this.

1...they're a JEW
2...they're stupid
3...they're evil and don't care

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 19, 2009, 04:14:00 PM
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You Tube no longer shows the vid.  I found it here:  http://ziofascism.net/blog/?p=1115  it's the last one at the bottom.  Look at #:35-3:45, Brandon gave the J-w a fairly hard slap.

Link bump.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 19, 2009, 10:16:19 PM
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Quote from: Poggy on Yesterday at 05:19:58 AM
Man in court over racist YouTube video
19th May 2009, 14:00 WST

A Perth man who allegedly posted an anti-Semitic video on YouTube has appeared in court on a charge of conduct likely to incite animosity or racist harassment.

Brendon Lee O`Connell, 38, of Maylands was released on $5000 bail and ordered not to go within 100m of the young Jewish man he allegedly taunted outside a South Perth shopping centre that was hosting a peaceful rally.

In Perth Magistrate's Court today, police requested that Mr O'Connell stay away from any Jewish facilities and Campbell Barracks.

While on bail, Mr O'Connell must report to police daily. He was remanded to reappear in court on June 9.

PERTH
GIORDANO STOLLEY


J-ws are backing away from this case. I just checked google news and there were only two new stories about Brendon O'Connell. If they were winning, there would be a thousand stories on google. Google is the net control mechanism, but it is also a barometer of how J-ws are doing in controlling things. J-ws have decided to just allow this story to fade away.

The same thing happened with the Bishop Williamson case. There was hype, and then it was gone.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 20, 2009, 12:05:07 AM
http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,25475819-948,00.html

Well, well, WELL...

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=10400.msg86417#msg86417

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Here's a prediction: You're going to wind up in prison within the next year or so.

This one's my favorite:

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=10400.msg86517#msg86517

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I'm going to pack 100kg of Powergel and 40 bags of ANFO onto the back of a Scooter and park it at the local Synagogue - shout "free bagels and kiddie porn" - and then run like hell!

That's the same "change" who identified himself as "Brendon O'Connell", is it not?

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=10400.msg86340#msg86340

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My name is Brendon O'Connell.

I live in Perth, Western Australia.

[...]

I will base ball bat with EXTREME MALICE anyone who goes near my friends and family. ANYONE. I am totally unafraid, own NOTHING, remain single and TOTALLY committed to see this war through to the end. If you think what I did with that little prick was bad wait till I really get going.

My friends and extended family network is extensive and all over the world, including even contacts within Governmental Departments both locally and over seas. I am no "one man show" and more respectable people are cheering me on quietly and watching my back.

The Jewish Community here in Perth is going to have to get to grips with the fact that their silence on Jewish Issues is no longer acceptable. It is also no longer acceptable for Israeli citizens to be allowed to roam free over our fair State.

Ah... memory lane. And, if memory serves, I believe I have commented on this individual before.

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=10400.msg86563#msg86563

[emphasis added]

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Let me be clear on one thing: I don't expect you to do anything about this. And I'm not necessarily saying that you should. But if this guy gets reported, and if the record of his postings here are forwarded to the authorities, then this forum is likely going to receive a knock on its door, if you take my meaning.

And I would not be surprised if this happened.

And this from the link in the first post of the thread [with emphasis]:

[...

"Our officers have been dealing with youtube," Mr O'Callaghan told reporters this morning.

"They are a US based company. We don't have any jurisdiction over them, but we have been working with them to pull the video down and they have been fairly co-operative in the past.

"Now I can't forecast what the outcome will be here, but we are continuing to work with youtube on the issue."

...]


My God... how easy would it be so send the Austrailian authorities a few links to Brendon's postings on this forum (or copies thereof, if, say, someone were to copy and paste them into an e-mail message)?

http://www.police.wa.gov.au/ContactUs/tabid/922/Default.aspx

http://www.police.wa.gov.au/HOME/ReportaCrime/tabid/1016/Default.aspx#terrorism

I wonder if - and how - their officers would "deal with" nolajbs.

At the very least, I wonder if any additional charges could be brought against Brendon for the "idle" threats against Jews that he has made on this forum. I wonder if the prosecutor in the case would be interested in such written threats.

Hmm. Does anyone know if Brendon had any enemies on this forum who would do such a thing?

Oh, and Brendon, if you're reading this, best of luck. You're going to need it, I think.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 20, 2009, 01:08:39 AM
Is there any evidence he threatened physical harm?

Yes. And within the archives of this very forum.

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=10400.msg86517#msg86517


Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 20, 2009, 01:49:54 AM
Is there any evidence he threatened physical harm?

Yes. And within the archives of this very forum.


Australia cannot compel NOLAJBS to produce it, although with the necessary links, Perth authorities could gather it themselves.  Any "subpoena" or "official inquiry" from Perth could be completely ignored, as the police spokesman said:

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"They are a US based company. We don't have any jurisdiction over them ..."

In an American court, none of those posts would be admissible in a criminal trial, they are "out of court" statements and don't prove anything about the instant offense being tried.  They are not "evidence of prior bad acts" or evidence of a "pattern of conduct," since they do not mention any provably identifiable bad acts, did not result in a conviction of any kind creating a court record, and do not show "conduct" per se.  Any competent defense counsel would ask the court to exclude them from the trial.

My God ... how easy would it be so send the Austrailian authorities a few links to Brendon's postings on this forum (or copies thereof, if, say, someone were to copy and paste them into an e-mail message)?

Rachel1958 is no longer here, Jelly, you'd probably have to do it yourself (using another eMail account to cover your tracks, of course).

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I will base ball bat with EXTREME MALICE anyone who goes near my friends and family.

That's called a "contingent threat."  It's not criminally actionable, it is not a "proximate" or "specific" threat directed at an individual or group.

But if this guy gets reported, and if the record of his postings here are forwarded to the authorities, then this forum is likely going to receive a knock on its door, if you take my meaning.

Such a knock would most likely go unanswered, there's no reason NOLAJBS should be the slightest bit concerned about it.  Of course, NOLAJBS might choose to politely tell the Perth authorities what they could do with their "knock" ... where the sun don't shine.

I wonder if - and how - their officers would "deal with" nolajbs.

Courteously, no doubt, but without any jurisdiction or clout.

At the very least, I wonder if any additional charges could be brought against Brendon for the "idle" threats against Jews that he has made on this forum.

Not without evidence that "Change" is Brendon, which NOLAJBS would be under NO obligation of any kind to provide (were there any).

Does anyone know if Brendon had any enemies on this forum who would do such a thing?

The only possibility I can think of is you, Jelly.  No one else at this forum would be so underhanded ~ Rachel1958 is gone.  Of course, there might be some "sleeper" agents, but the most likely candidate is you.  As I recall, though, the only "futile gesture" you make is posting to this forum from behind a cloak of anonymity.

Oh, and Brendon, if you're reading this, best of luck. You're going to need it, I think.

Brendon has a martyr complex, he's eating this up.

It is interesting, though, to see you trying to stir up suspicion in this forum.  Right in character.  But as with all of your activity in this forum, a vain undertaking ...
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 20, 2009, 02:00:54 AM
Yes. And within the archives of this very forum.

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=10400.msg86517#msg86517




Gelly, you're either a JEW or a fucking moron.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: rottenjohnh on May 20, 2009, 04:55:05 AM
Making alot of sense there WRS.

Just want to bring up a few points to others of this forum in regards to Brendan and some of the slander the Perth Jews have attempted to have stick.

Firstly the ten years of harrassment is just laughable. I met the bloke on LF in mid 2005. Being Australian we hit things off early on and from that kept in regular email contact.

Later on down the track I started working in WA in a town just out of Esperance in 2007 and met up with Brendan in person. We had several HEATED discussions in regards to where much of what we were witnessing was coming from and it took several conversations and much personal research on his part before he was convinced this was a Jewish conspiracy.

This proves that the rest of the smears in regards to threatening emails/phonecalls and scaring Jewish children at their centres etc. is bullshit.

Also noticed sushi that you were questioning whether he was the real deal. He is without doubt. Catch up with Brendan EVERYTIME I fly in to Perth from my mine job. Suprised that after what's happened the question would be raised!!!!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 20, 2009, 07:08:43 AM
"Australia cannot compel NOLAJBS to produce it, although with the necessary links, Perth authorities could gather it themselves.  Any "subpoena" or "official inquiry" from Perth could be completely ignored, as the police spokesman said:"
"They are a US based company. We don't have any jurisdiction over them ..."

I don't think the crux of this 'case' has or ever will involve nolajbs.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 20, 2009, 07:45:19 AM
That's called a "contingent threat."  It's not criminally actionable...

In and of itself, no. But in the context of the charges against which Brendon currently faces, I would think that the prosecution would be somewhat interested in reviewing his previous comments on this forum.

Perhaps more than somewhat.

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But if this guy gets reported, and if the record of his postings here are forwarded to the authorities, then this forum is likely going to receive a knock on its door, if you take my meaning.

Such a knock would most likely go unanswered, there's no reason NOLAJBS should be the slightest bit concerned about it.  Of course, NOLAJBS might choose to politely tell the Perth authorities what they could do with their "knock" ... where the sun don't shine.

Oh, I dunno. I would hope that NOLAJBS would be willing to help the Perth authorities deal with a potentially dangerous criminal, as has YouTube.

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At the very least, I wonder if any additional charges could be brought against Brendon for the "idle" threats against Jews that he has made on this forum.

Not without evidence that "Change" is Brendon, which NOLAJBS would be under NO obligation of any kind to provide (were there any).

How much would you be willing to wager that Brendon, if confronted with a record of his posts on this forum, will himself admit authorship? Proudly. With gusto. He's just that arrogant. And stupid.

In fact, he as much as already has admitted authorship:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bfb_1228836586

You and clayman get honorable mention, too, Windy. And a link to this video can also accompany any links to this forum anonymously forwarded to the Perth authorities, lest Brendon denies all knowledge of this forum. He did, after all, make and submit the video to Live Leak.

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Does anyone know if Brendon had any enemies on this forum who would do such a thing?

The only possibility I can think of is you, Jelly.  No one else at this forum would be so underhanded ~ Rachel1958 is gone.  Of course, there might be some "sleeper" agents, but the most likely candidate is you.  As I recall, though, the only "futile gesture" you make is posting to this forum from behind a cloak of anonymity.

Brendon is no enemy of mine. In fact, he's nothing to me at all.

And I assure you, if anyone were to alert the Perth authorities, there are people in this forum who would probably be more willing to do so than me. This, too, is a matter of record.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 20, 2009, 07:52:28 AM
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there are people in this forum who would probably be more willing to do so than me.

As stated, Khazar Jews, Of "their Father the Devil', are crawling all over this forum
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Zampan0 on May 20, 2009, 08:54:49 AM
As stated, Khazar Jews, Of "their Father the Devil', are crawling all over this forum

 :o we need to be very careful..  :o

(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/3766/devilschildren2.jpg)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 20, 2009, 08:57:07 AM
Rachel1958 is no longer here, Jelly, you'd probably have to do it yourself (using another eMail account to cover your tracks, of course).

Well put WRS,  I have always been concerned that gelly was Orange.  He seems to follow the same method of operation as Rachel and Kreplach did.

I had stepped off Nolajbs for a minute and never really knew WHAT it was that sent Brendon over the edge, after reading the links the agent provocateur gelignite provided, it seems clear.   Here is Brendon's signature from that thread:

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AMERICA was banned for 7 days by LONEWOLF due to a few jews working for "The Hydra" - PATHETIC.

It would seem that silly Brendon fell for the oldest and most effective trick in the book, a honey pot Delilah.  America!!

Brendon was manipulated and coerced by Domonique First, then America,  to believe that he was being singled out as some sort of "target" by the jew...

America, in her wiley split tail way.  was able to convince Brendon, that she (and by extension) he, were the victim of a dastardly zionist plot hatched at Nolajbs by Lonewolf and the rest of us.   

Two lessons reiterated here.

#1, Beware the HoneyPot of deception.
#2, If we continue to play with gelignite on this site, it will only end in tears.  He has just threatened to do exactly what the Orange crew did and supply law enforcement material from THIS SITE in order to further support the zionist machine.  It is obvious to all that he is NOT here for the same reason as many of the rest of us.  I speak for myself when I say that I will not communicate with this demon as absolutely no good can come from it.

The rest of you take caution as you deem necessary.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 20, 2009, 09:14:14 AM
"How much would you be willing to wager that Brendon, if confronted with a record of his posts on this forum, will himself admit authorship? Proudly. With gusto. He's just that arrogant. And stupid."

Sounds ego-driven.  In that case, OK ... he's on his own.

(http://sandrineplasseraud.typepad.com/marketing/images/2007/06/02/picture_3.png)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 20, 2009, 10:49:39 AM
I have always been concerned that gelly was Orange.

Orange? Huh?

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Brendon was manipulated and coerced by Domonique First, then America,  to believe that he was being singled out as some sort of "target" by the jew...

As if Brendon would need to be "manipulated" into being a paranoid kook.

Please. Go back and read some of his posts. He was a loonball out of the gate, believing that "the Jews" were watching his daily movements in Australia.

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[gelignite] has just threatened to do exactly what the Orange crew did and supply law enforcement material from THIS SITE in order to further support the zionist machine.

I have issued no such threat. I merely pointed out the ease with which this could be done.

And I can assure you that if it happens it will not be me who will have done it.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 20, 2009, 11:06:18 AM
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He was a loonball out of the gate, believing that "the Jews" were watching his daily movements in Australia.

Of course...'J-E-W-S were watching his every move. Thats what THEY do.

Phone taps, computer keystroke taps, Defense department, Police and Masonic organizations are part and parcel of their surveillance.
Id wager Amdocs and Comverse also do the billing for Aussie citzens, same as US citizens.

Cant you find a Kosher forum crowd to Oy Vey with, Gelignite?
A Cyber Whining Wall where you feel at home.
No offense, but you have so much more in common with them, than us..
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 20, 2009, 11:22:25 AM
I think most people's attitude on this forum is that despite their personal relationship with Brendon, he's one of the good guys, at least in the war against Zionist scum.
This isn't AWE, so I can't imagine why you think you'll either be effective or wanted here, so why don't you fuck off.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: luki on May 20, 2009, 11:36:55 AM
To me the point seems to be that, despite what anyones personal feelings are about Brendon (I don't know him and have no personal feelings one way or another), there is nothing he did in the video I saw that justifies a potential 14 year prison term.

A person can rape and murder children and face less time.

This is yet another example of the Judeo-oppression that we are ALL under!

Yes, you can debate about Brendon's method or his character...........but the point is he is being persecuted/prosecuted because he is speaking against judeotyranny.

That's what it boils down to.

He said something truthful about the chosen, and THIS IS BECOMING A CRIME. Not just in Australia, but in every so called 'free' nation.

If anyone takes an attitude that 'he is getting what he deserves because I personally think he's an asshole'........... then they have no respect for the judeo-threat we are facing.

I don't know about some of the more 'personal' details of his relationships with people here.......and to be honest.......I don't care........that's not the point and is a diversionary tactic.

The tribe and their supporters are very crafty in diversionary tactics. They always try to steer the discussion towards 'emotionalism' while ignoring the elephant in the room.

United we stand, divided we fall may seem cliche........but doesn't mean it ain't true.

Does anyone know of any way a person could give some sort of support for Brendon? Whether it be to send him a letter, email, $$ for legal fees?


Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 20, 2009, 12:23:48 PM

J-ws are backing away from this case. I just checked google news and there were only two new stories about Brendon O'Connell. If they were winning, there would be a thousand stories on google. Google is the net control mechanism, but it is also a barometer of how J-ws are doing in controlling things. J-ws have decided to just allow this story to fade away.

The same thing happened with the Bishop Williamson case. There was hype, and then it was gone.


Brendon O'Connell must report to police daily. He was remanded to reappear in court on June 9.
We will have to tune in then.

Coverage of holocaust-denying bishop lands in UK after expulsion from Argentina....
That was about it.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 20, 2009, 01:15:37 PM
Jelly, are you into blackmail now or are you just thinking out loud?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 20, 2009, 01:16:12 PM
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I will not communicate with this demon as absolutely no good can come from it.

Yeah, and what kind of name is 'gelignite' anyway?  Is this person trying to imply that we're all violent terrorists here?

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As stated, Khazar Jews, Of "their Father the Devil', are crawling all over this forum

Perhaps lurking, but I seriously doubt they'd be posting for long before they are discovered here.  Honestly what other forums are out there that have a pretty clean house like this?  I'm not aware of any myself.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 20, 2009, 01:23:43 PM
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To me the point seems to be that, despite what anyones personal feelings are about Brendon (I don't know him and have no personal feelings one way or another), there is nothing he did in the video I saw that justifies a potential 14 year prison term.

A person can rape and murder children and face less time.

This is yet another example of the Judeo-oppression that we are ALL under!

Yes, you can debate about Brendon's method or his character...........but the point is he is being persecuted/prosecuted because he is speaking against judeotyranny.

That's what it boils down to.

He said something truthful about the chosen, and THIS IS BECOMING A CRIME. Not just in Australia, but in every so called 'free' nation.

If anyone takes an attitude that 'he is getting what he deserves because I personally think he's an asshole'........... then they have no respect for the judeo-threat we are facing.

Well said!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 20, 2009, 01:33:34 PM
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Also noticed sushi that you were questioning whether he was the real deal. He is without doubt. Catch up with Brendan EVERYTIME I fly in to Perth from my mine job. Surprised that after what's happened the question would be raised!!!!

Hi RJ,

Frankly, so am I....

I had been in touch with Brendon from time to time over at least a 3 year period and we got along just fine, until one day - not long ago - out of blue he started attacking me. To this day, I have no idea why and what prompted him to do that. Honestly.

Before that, I did not question whether he was the real deal, or not.

Anyway John, I do hope all goes well for him.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 20, 2009, 01:46:05 PM
Brendon{brainwashed by religious indoctrination} believes you must risk your life/quality of your life for others as God will reward you......and if you fail to do this or advise against it{because it's extremely risky}, he will ass-ume you're a Jew.

In his mind, it's not good enough just trying to educate people and remain safe, you must prove you're one of God's warriors even though there is no God.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Zampan0 on May 20, 2009, 01:51:32 PM
"United we stand, divided we fall may seem cliche........but doesn't mean it ain't true."

I have often thought of what might happen here in the U.S. if such laws were passed.  I really think it would be different here than in other countries.  You just can't shut us up and you can't put us all in jail.  So, I'm not worried about it at all. It could even 'back-fire' on the Ch-sen Ones.

"Does anyone know of any way a person could give some sort of support for Brendon? Whether it be to send him a letter, email, $$ for legal fees?"An Australian citizen has been muzzled of free speech by an opportunistic Perth politician controlled by religious zealots.

This fellow might help you:  "Brendan is facing 14 years in prison.

Brendan is scheduled for his first court appearance and we need your help. A rally will be held on the 18th in front of John Hyde's office on the 18th from 9 AM-12 PM.

John Hyde, MLA
446 William Street Perth, WA | Telephone: +61 8 9227 8040 | Fax: +61 8 9227 8060 | Email: john.hyde@mp.wa.gov.au"

I found this here:  http://whitelawtowers.blogspot.com/2009/05/will-brendon-oconnell-bring-down.html

The site has alot of really good stuff about Brendan and his rightious crusade.



Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 20, 2009, 01:57:05 PM
there is no God.

Seriously dude, you need to end that kind of talk.  I am not a religious man either, but I'm not silly enough to think or claim there is no God.  Just because you do not have a relationship with a higher power does not mean he does not exist.

I really DO believe he exists, but that he doesn't care to have a hand in the actions of the beings on earth.  He created us with free choice so that he wouldn't have to be constantly involved.

But here is the REAL deal.  I have the privilege of meeting and dealing with Clayman and the honorable WRS.  These men have a deep, respectful belief in their God and out of my respect for these men and how they choose to live their lives, I should never disrespect what they hold dear.

I understand where you are coming from I REALLY DO.  Their life experience is Not mine, yet their commitment and dedication DESERVE a respect of what they believe.

I guess I would have alot more respect for you if you said something along the lines of,  "I do not believe there is a God that chooses to have a hand in MY life", I could accept and respect that.  But to say, "There is NO God" simply suggests that not only have you no respect for other beings of great power, but you have no respect for other humans who HAVE experienced that great power.

I'm NOT taking from your belief Gus, I'm just saying that you need to learn to respect what others respect out of respect for them.

Know what I mean?..... :)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 20, 2009, 02:17:15 PM
How much would you be willing to wager that Brendon, if confronted with a record of his posts on this forum, will himself admit authorship?  Proudly.  With gusto.  He's just that arrogant.  And stupid.

I certainly wouldn't bet against that.

In fact, he as much as already has admitted authorship:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bfb_1228836586

You and clayman get honorable mention, too, Windy. And a link to this video can also accompany any links to this forum anonymously forwarded to the Perth authorities, lest Brendon denies all knowledge of this forum. He did, after all, make and submit the video to Live Leak.


Poor guy thinks he's Jesus Christ and is trying to get himself crucified.  Messianic Apocalyptic Dementia* for sure.

He was a loonball out of the gate, believing that "the Jews" were watching his daily movements in Australia.

They probably were ~ they know an opportunity when they see it.  When the FBI does a "false flag" recruitment in their COINTELPRO program, they overtly make the unsuspecting potential recruit a "person of interest" and start asking questions about him (for example, contacting his in-laws) to radicalize him.  I'm sure they learned that tactic from somewhere across the Atlantic.

Well, we'll see whether he gets a state-paid vacation or a slap on the wrist.  It's pretty rotten that he could be fined or given some jail time, he's obviously suffering from Messianic Apocalyptic Dementia, which is basically a paranoid schizophrenic problem.  It's not likely that anyone will be able to help him with his delusions any time soon, and jail time or a fine would just aggravate his psychiatric disorder.

He's like you in that regard ...

[* see http://www.muslimamerica.net/mp/guide.htm#mad ]
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 20, 2009, 02:53:35 PM
  Just because you do not have a relationship with a higher power does not mean he does not exist.

When I first started studying philosophy, I was agnostic and remained that way for a few yrs, which isn't surprising as most philosophy{other than Objectivist metaphysics and epistemology} is garbage, however, once I began to study Objectivism, I quickly learnt that God is nothing but an imaginary concept.
Like all religious people{anyone who believes in God or some higher power can be deemed as religious} you're unable to define God, nor are you able to rationally account for our lot.

Knowledge of the existence of something implies that "something" exists and you have some evidence of it, but not only do you lack evidence, you also cannot define God without shielding him/it from rational scrutiny.

As I've said many times over the yrs, it wasn't unreasonable for primitive man to assume God's existed......there was no such thing as science or philosophy as we know it today, so the assumption wasn't unreasonable given the state of man's knowledge and intellectual development, however, with the advent of modern science and philosophy, we can exclude God as the cause of natural phenomena, and also as the creator of the universe.

Religious people are convinced that God is needed as an external enforcer of morality, but the truth is, man can create and enforce Objective ethics that don't discriminate against anyone, and ensures that evil doers are spotted in a flash.

WRS is a very knowledgeable man, as is Brendon as is Sarandos, but I don't LIE about any of them.......cause to date, Brendon thinks I'm a paedophile, Sarandos thinks I'm a steroid using mental patient, when the truth is, I'm just a lowly student of philosophy who won't sacrifice truth for friendships or harmony.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 20, 2009, 03:05:09 PM
For a Practicing Christian, dying or persecution as a Martyr is the most honorable (Sainthood) life and death.


"Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you."  (Matt 5:1-12).


Great Martyred Saints like St Joan of Arc, St Stephen, St Paul, St Peter.
Or:

ST. JEROME:
`Nothing is more to be feared than too long a peace. You are deceived if you think that a Christian can live without persecution. He suffers the greatest persecution of all who lives under none. A storm puts a man on his guard and obliges him to exert his utmost efforts to avoid shipwreck.`

ST. AUGUSTINE:
`The martyrs are perfected in righteousness, and they earned perfection through their martyrdom. For them the church does not pray: for the other departed faithful she prays, but not for martyrs. They have gone out of this world so perfected that instead of being our clients, they are our advocates`.


ST. AMBROSE: `If you require my estate, you may take it; if my body, I readily give it up; have you a mind to lead me with irons or put me to death, I am content. I shall not fly to the protection of the people nor cling to the alter; I choose rather to be sacrificed for the sake of the alter.`


On the death of St. Agnes:
`In the midst of tears, she shed no tears herself. She stood still, she prayed, she offered her neck. You could see fear in the eyes of the executioner, as if he were the one condemned. His right hand trembled, his face grew pale as he saw the girl`s peril, while she had no fear for herself`.


IGNATIUS OF ANTIOCH
 

http://www.martyrsandsaints.org/



"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
     For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
      Blessed are those who mourn,
         For they shall be comforted.
       Blessed are the meek,
        For they shall inherit the earth.
       Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
          For they shall be filled.
       Blessed are the merciful,
          For they shall obtain mercy.
       Blessed are the pure in heart,
          For they shall see God.
       Blessed are the peacemakers,
          For they shall be called sons of God.
       Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake,
          For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 20, 2009, 03:15:06 PM
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It would seem that silly Brendon fell for the oldest and most effective trick in the book, a honey pot Delilah.  America!!

Brendon was manipulated and coerced by Domonique First, then America,  to believe that he was being singled out as some sort of "target" by the jew...

America, in her wiley split tail way.  was able to convince Brendon, that she (and by extension) he, were the victim of a dastardly zionist plot hatched at Nolajbs by Lonewolf and the rest of us.
 

Very interesting observation Scott (it was in the back of my mind, sort of, but I was not sure).

   In a PM from - Brendon before all this - knowing that I had lived in Perth for a year, he sent me a few
   photos from places I knew, I said many thanks, those are great pictures bringing back nice memories.
   Things have sure changed quite a bit over the years, just like everywhere else of course. He said he
   would love to make a video for me. I said that would be very nice....

   Before that, pictures from Esperance, the dead birds, the contrails, lots of interesting stuff.

Fast forward to the thread where he attacked ET and me... Somewhere he said that someone told him 'something' - he did not say who or what, but that is why he had not finished the video. That came so fast and furious, I did not know what he was talking about... so I just left it alone. At the same time, America was getting kind of strange and for a moment I wondered ~ then someone sent a link from AWE.  :o

Creepy when people have the power to manipulate another...
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 20, 2009, 03:20:33 PM
For a Practicing Christian, dying or persecution as a Martyr is the most honorable (Sainthood) life and death.

No doubt, but what we need is awareness....and as I keep saying, without knowledge of logic, critical thinking and a fairly stern sense of right from wrong, we're going exactly where the Zionist's lead us.
I should also point out that without a strong moral foundation, critical thinking is virtually useless, especially when applying it to political events and solutions.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 20, 2009, 03:49:52 PM
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To me the point seems to be that, despite what anyone's personal feelings are about Brendon (I don't know him and have no personal feelings one way or another), there is nothing he did in the video I saw that justifies a potential 14 year prison term.

Definitely not. However, in the end he acted like a loose cannon, this was counterproductive, because it gave the 'hurt' parties a lot of ammunition. 

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A person can rape and murder children and face less time.

This is yet another example of the Judeo-oppression that we are ALL under!

Yes, you can debate about Brendon's method or his character...........but the point is he is being persecuted/prosecuted because he is speaking against judeotyranny.

That's what it boils down to.

He said something truthful about the chosen, and THIS IS BECOMING A CRIME.

Not just in Australia, but in every so called 'free' nation.

If anyone takes an attitude that 'he is getting what he deserves because I personally think he's an asshole'........... then they have no respect for the judeo-threat we are facing.

I don't know about some of the more 'personal' details of his relationships with people here.......and to be honest.......I don't care........that's not the point and is a diversionary tactic.

The tribe and their supporters are very crafty in diversionary tactics. They always try to steer the discussion towards 'emotionalism' while ignoring the elephant in the room.

United we stand, divided we fall may seem cliche........but doesn't mean it ain't true.

All true.. IF they do build a case against him, you can count on 'emotionalism'.   

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Does anyone know of any way a person could give some sort of support for Brendon? Whether it be to send him a letter, email, $$ for legal fees?

What he did took a lot of courage....  That is very nice of you, Brendon will be touched to hear that. Go here and touch base with him, Luki, you may have to join: http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/lobby/44948-awareness-portal-nolajbs-forum-vanishes-net-3-11-09-7am-88.html
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 20, 2009, 04:24:34 PM
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Brendon{brainwashed by religious indoctrination} believes you must risk your life/quality of your life for others as God will reward you......and if you fail to do this or advise against it{because it's extremely risky}, he will ass-ume you're a Jew.

In his mind, it's not good enough just trying to educate people and remain safe, you must prove you're one of God's warriors even though there is no God.


I believe that he is a member of the Russian Orthodox Church, and there are other members here who are religious and don't rub it into peoples faces and some who don't believe at all.

Any person is free to believe, or not. I am more inclined to look at the strength of the person, their character and the way they conduct themselves in everyday life. If they can behave on our forum, that helps too.  :)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 20, 2009, 04:31:06 PM
Well said, I feel the same way.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 20, 2009, 07:17:55 PM
Jelly, are you into blackmail now or are you just thinking out loud?

Blackmail is... such an ugly word, Sushi.

In any event, and I repeat, I am not threatening to say anything, nor do I have any intention of doing what could be very easily done with a click of a mouse, which is, quite possibly, to add years to any sentence that Brendon might receive as a result of his recent shenanigans. Or, at least, to ensure that every minute of whatever he does receive is spent in striped sunlight.

All the components are in place... his posts, in which he makes quite clear his animosity toward Jews (and his intention to continue with his campaign of harassment against those he believes are Jews). Then there is his threat (idle or not) to detonate an explosive device within proximity of Jewish people. And then there is his video (which he himself submitted to Live Leak), in which he acknowledges authorship of the aforementioned posts.

To whatever extent the authorities in Perth are already aware of such posts on this forum is unclear. But what can be done is to ensure that they are made aware of them. The rest is, of course, up to them. But I can tell you that, in the context of Brendon's current troubles, such knowledge in the hands of a prosecutor cannot help him one tiny bit.

Let me be clear, once more:

I have no intention whatsoever of doing this.


That said...


I believe that Brendon is dangerous. Not long ago, I predicted that he would wind up in jail, and time has proven me correct.

Here's another prediction.

Within the next two years, Brendon will commit a violent act against a Jewish person (or persons), possibly resulting in death. It's tempting to believe that some time spent in prison right now will act as some sort of an inoculation against him taking such action in the future, but I don't believe that such will be the case.

Brendon is determined to make of himself a martyr. Pure and simple.

So I say, if it has to happen, then it has to happen.


No doubt he will be hailed as a hero 'round here when it does.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Posse Comitatus on May 20, 2009, 07:27:56 PM
Here's what happened over at that Canadian 9/11 Truth site.

I posted a comment in this thread:

http://www.mtl911truth.org/?p=1490 (http://www.mtl911truth.org/?p=1490)

...as Poseidon in response to a couple of shill posters, ronmossad who said the nano-thermite evidence was a "total non-story", and steve collier who was trying to peddle the judy wood "phasers / space beam weapons" distraction. The poster Fredd - who likes my work and tends to agree with me on who is and isn't honest in the truth movement - began asking about FugaziQuo. (That time, it took two or three days for the comment to show up, so I posted four increasingly abbreviated replies.) The discussion about FugaziQuo then shifted across to a more relevant thread on their Bishop Takes Knight video.

http://www.mtl911truth.org/?p=1610 (http://www.mtl911truth.org/?p=1610)

I posted on how Brendon O'Connell was now working with FugaziQuo and was promoting their work, after they were supposedly "enemies". In fact, BOC even says that he emails Jim "PlanetQuo" Kerr and has his videos backed up on Kerr's servers. A couple of years ago, Kerr had a page on one of his websites declaring Brendon to be a "Zionist agent", together with false claims that Brendon also operated as the posters Crimes of Zion and Fester/Lotus at WakeUpFromYourSlumber. In fact, they're three different people, although CoZ and BOC both live in Perth, Western Australia. Here are some amusing quotes by PlanetQuo:

`I stand by what I have written and will not, under any circumstances, retract any of it.`

`O`Connell, like his fellow Perth resident and ally Crimes of Zion, has some very strange ideas about Alex Jones. While Brendon O`Connell and James Linton are the anti-Zionist movement`s equivalent of Laurel and Hardy, I`m not laughing at the antics ot these two clowns. The only people who are laughing at the moment are the Zionists on whose behalf these two entities operate. O`Connell and Linton pretend to be anti-Zionists, but both entities are about as genuine as a $3 note or a Russian CD on eBay.`

`Brendon O`Connell, like James Linton, is a proven liar and deceiver. Both are frauds - two peas from the same Zionist pod. The enemy within. Neither belong in any truth movement since truth is a concept that is alien to both.`

"Darko is part of the NOLAJBS set-up, and the 'fights' he/she has had with the NOLAJBS admin are all staged!!!! When Darko reinvented themselves as Quo Vadius, nobody at NOLAJBS noticed or cared."

"Fester is not UAZ. He is COZ/Quo Vadius etc etc etc etc"

"Of all the personae that would fit Smith, Masher has the best credentials! I take your point about Fester being Lotus, but would add that since COZ is Fester, then he must also therefore be Lotus too! In any case, it`s all academic. Linton is O`Connell, and that is what interests me most." :)

Jim Kerr's planetquo.com has turned into a porn site.

After Brendon found he was being talked about in the Bishop Takes Knight thread, he stole Fredd's handle to post some comments, then followed up with a couple under his own name. The original Fredd is the one whose handle doesn't link to takeourworldback.com, and has counterclockwise arrows in the corners of the image (generated from email address).

And there was the fight on this forum between PlanetQuo and Brendon O'Connell, with the latter starting a thread about "our 'armless friend". Kerr professed to be a "one-armed electrician" who was able to retire at age 45, a claim which I don't think was ever supposed to be taken too seriously. The claim of being "relatively armless" was evidently to generate him some sympathy (as Netanyahu knew 9/11 would do for Israel) and as a weapon with which to attack his opponents when they teased him about it (as Jews attack truth-tellers who explain that the "holocaust" was a hoax).

Eric Hufschmid, a common factor in a lot of these fights, has the "Medusa touch". People who so much as correspond with him, as did BOC and PlanetQuo, end up the worse for wear, suspecting almost everyone of being "Zionist agents". Real shills would like to disrupt forums, but would they act like PlanetQuo and Brendon O'Connell?

Hufschmid, BTW, has a page about his Patriot Dames interview in which an anonymous person supposedly "analyzes" the interview, but the anonymous person's writing is exactly like the writing of Hufschmid. For example, the writer cites Michael Collins Piper as an example of a "Jewish criminal"!
 
http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/FromOthers/Patriot-Dames-analysis.html (http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/FromOthers/Patriot-Dames-analysis.html)

Jews claim that Brendon O'Connell has been threatening and harassing them for years.

http://www.rudistettner.com/2009/05/brendon-oconnell-hate-crimes-followup.html (http://www.rudistettner.com/2009/05/brendon-oconnell-hate-crimes-followup.html)

Although Brendon has declared that I needed a "bullet", it is possible that he has good intentions but is something of a loose cannon who has been misled by Hufschmid. The protest against Israeli oranges was a good idea. BOC shouldn't be fined or jailed for making videos  but if he loses his temper and lets his confrontations with Jews develop too far, he is playing into the hands of the Zionists by providing them with the "anti-Semitism" that Herzl admitted they so desperately need.


Still exposing zionists, zionistexposer ? Sure looks that way. How about all those zionist shills over there at  http://fugaziquo.com/ ? I guess you sure gave them what for ! Poseiden would be so proud of you ! And Brendon would be proud of you too, if he  was only able to see you, and the important work you've been doing. He told me he had a very special message for you. He wanted to tell you himself, but of course you know he couldn't, because you've been trying to have him convicted and sentenced in the court of public opinion, before he's even been to trial. Even though you've already done everything you possibly could to expose him as a zionist agent, he still forgives you, and the last thing he told me he wants you to know was - "the Power of Christ compels thee".
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 20, 2009, 08:54:43 PM
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Avoid Messianic Apocalyptic Dementia, or believing that you (or those of your communion) are uniquely and divinely anointed and appointed to save the world, or a remnant, or to usher in a new world or a new message for the faithful, while this world falls away into the Fire.  This all-time favorite tool of deception is today a main event in media circuses and more often fatal.

Sorry WRS, I don't buy this, and certainly not on faith.
In the Protocols it says very clearly that a single individual, motivated and knowledgeable enough, can pose a major threat to the Establishment.  What you are writing here, may be true or may not be I don't know, but it clearly discourages anyone from interfering from the Jew-World-Order agenda.

What do we do?  Let them win?  Let them have their one-world-govt so that prophecy is fulfilled?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 20, 2009, 09:06:00 PM
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once I began to study Objectivism, I quickly learnt that God is nothing but an imaginary concept.

Ayn Rand does lie persuasively doesn't she?  What do you expect from one of Satan's higher minions?
Okay, so you were influenced by Nietzsche and Rand.  And now you are certain there is no God?
What a joke...

I know where you are coming from, but you've been lied to so badly and you have to admit that you cannot trust your own judgment in such matters.  If you are so certain God doesn't exist then you should be able to prove it with formal logic based on indisputable axiom(s) (such as "I think therefore I am", or things as your starting-premise that cannot be disputed).  If you can do that, and I know you can't, you'd have my blessing to continue with your "There is NO God" ranting charade.  Even if it is true and you are right, I still have no respect for your arrogant conclusion, especially when it's based on doctrines that are false or seriously suspect.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 20, 2009, 10:18:55 PM
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Blackmail is... such an ugly word, Sushi.

I know it is, it is as ugly as the act itself.




Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: SlackerSlayer on May 20, 2009, 10:56:26 PM
I do not smoke scat.

Are you denying your bible books were written by the hebrew in them?


There is a parable of the bad tree you should delve into and look to the founding of any sect you want along the way to your fantasyland torment.

An example would be your beloved church, full of devoted sinners. The command by God was to go forth and multiply, they avow celibacy= unrepentant sinners.

Those that branch off from the bad tree, well it is simply rot too.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: SlackerSlayer on May 20, 2009, 11:35:27 PM
"I think I was tough on TG when I first encountered him at LF, about as bad as I did to WPS (whereever that swabbie went), but with TG we grew to an amiable disagreement on some issues and agree on others."

Are you talking about some months before the shutdown ... or something else ... specific?

Re: Handy Dandy Propaganda Candy
'Friends of Liberty' undated
Libertyforum.org revealed to be FedGov datamining trap

by "wadosy"
September 1, 2007

let's see.... Moderator WestPacSailor is supposedly in the UK.... he says he's working for L-3 Communications ---a warmonger outfit best known for its prior knowledge of 9/11, profits it made on that prior knowledge, and its torture of prisoners at abu ghraib prison in iraq.

according to my time zone map, it's now 9:34 am in london.

so if wetpac is in london, and he has a job, and it's 9:34 on a friday morning, we should be able to assume that wetpac is at work, getting paid.

and what is wetpac getting paid for?

apparently he's getting paid to moderate and post at libertyforum.

...none of which should surprise us in the least, since L-3 Communications has spread its tentacles into chat rooms, forums and message boards, because it's been paid tens, maybe hundreds, of millions of dollars to do so by the israeli american govt... the same govt that hires L-3 to torture people at abu ghraib.

Results 1 - 10 of about 896 for "L-3 communications" OR MPRI OR "S Y coleman" internet chatrooms OR forums OR "message boards" OR blogs propaganda OR disinformation OR lies OR disinfo OR psyops

Comments?


I reference to TG, I believe when he first started on LF. My harassment of wps was immediately after I joined up, but not for the typical reasons I grew to learn later.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: SlackerSlayer on May 21, 2009, 12:13:50 AM
That sounds like something my twisted sister would say, scarY.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 21, 2009, 12:18:33 AM
If you are so certain God doesn't exist then you should be able to prove it with formal logic based on indisputable axiom(s) (such as "I think therefore I am", or things as your starting-premise that cannot be disputed).


How can I or anyone prove or disprove something undefined?
You guys keep blurting out the word God, but you never properly define him/it, and I know for certain that any definition that you give will either be an unintelligible personal one, or a mainstream interpretation that's conveniently constructed so as to be beyond rational scrutiny aka proof/disproof.

FYI, I fully support Objectivist epistemology and metaphysics, however, I don't fully support Rand's or Objectivist thought on ethics or politics.
I'm an independent thinker who relies on Obj epist/meta as they're not just the best, they're "it".......no other philosophy has a properly developed epistemology, all they do is engage is endless verbose speculation.

Even though my favourite philosophy book of all time is "Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand" written by Leonard Peikoff.......Peikoff writes in OPAR that Zionist conspiracies don't exist, so he's either in on it, or lacks the information that the net has provided for us......that said, I wrote a post at IRIS contemplating whether or not Objectivist`s are Zionist's.

Anyway, I REPEAT, DEFINE GOD BEFORE ASKING ME SILLY QUESTIONS LIKE PROVING OR DISPROVING HIM/IT.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: SlackerSlayer on May 21, 2009, 12:48:52 AM
I didn't see any slap.

That wasn't apart of an imagination that feels real is it?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: SlackerSlayer on May 21, 2009, 01:15:47 AM

J-ws are backing away from this case. I just checked google news and there were only two new stories about Brendon O'Connell. If they were winning, there would be a thousand stories on google. Google is the net control mechanism, but it is also a barometer of how J-ws are doing in controlling things. J-ws have decided to just allow this story to fade away.

The same thing happened with the Bishop Williamson case. There was hype, and then it was gone.


Isn't his name spelled with an a as the last vowel like Brendan not Brendon? I'm probably wrong.

AltaVista found 1,930,000 results , google Results 1 - 10 of about 851,000 for Brendan O'Connell. (0.10 seconds), ixquick - 46 unique top-ten pages selected from at least 1,129,820 matching results

AltaVista found 0,186,000 results , google Results 1 - 10 of about 1,100,000 for Brendon O'Connell. (0.23 seconds), ixquick - 34 unique top-ten pages selected from at least 1,759,410 matching results 


We need to search items with other than large controlled engines like google, yahoo etc. I'm not saying altavista or ix  is an unbiased party, I don't know.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: SlackerSlayer on May 21, 2009, 01:24:18 AM
YoU diD nOt put Lemmy in that collage?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: SlackerSlayer on May 21, 2009, 01:40:26 AM
Hi RJ,

Frankly, so am I....

I had been in touch with Brendon from time to time over at least a 3 year period and we got along just fine, until one day - not long ago - out of blue he started attacking me. To this day, I have no idea why and what prompted him to do that. Honestly.

Before that, I did not question whether he was the real deal, or not.

Anyway John, I do hope all goes well for him.


There is always that oddball chance that someone hijacked his logon for a while without him knowing it.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 21, 2009, 02:58:08 AM
Still exposing zionists, zionistexposer ? Sure looks that way. How about all those zionist shills over there at  http://fugaziquo.com/ ? I guess you sure gave them what for ! Poseiden would be so proud of you ! And Brendon would be proud of you too, if he  was only able to see you, and the important work you've been doing. He told me he had a very special message for you. He wanted to tell you himself, but of course you know he couldn't, because you've been trying to have him convicted and sentenced in the court of public opinion, before he's even been to trial. Even though you've already done everything you possibly could to expose him as a zionist agent, he still forgives you, and the last thing he told me he wants you to know was - "the Power of Christ compels thee".

He's back.
You're welcome as far as I'm concerned......but please get to know people before you judge them.
You'll notice that most people are on your side, even if they don't agree with your methods.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 21, 2009, 04:14:57 AM
Avoid Messianic Apocalyptic Dementia, or believing that you (or those of your communion) are uniquely and divinely anointed and appointed to save the world, or a remnant, or to usher in a new world or a new message for the faithful, while this world falls away into the Fire.  This all-time favorite tool of deception is today a main event in media circuses and more often fatal.

Sorry WRS, I don't buy this, and certainly not on faith.


I think you've missed the point, then.

In the Protocols it says very clearly that a single individual, motivated and knowledgeable enough, can pose a major threat to the Establishment.  What you are writing here, may be true or may not be I don't know, but it clearly discourages anyone from interfering from the Jew-World-Order agenda.

It is certainly true that a single individual, motivated and knowledgeable enough, can pose a major threat to "the Establishment."  That's not the point.

What do we do?  Let them win?  Let them have their one-world-govt so that prophecy is fulfilled?

Prophecy will be fulfilled no matter what you or I or anyone else ~ including them ~ may do.  That also is not the point.

Nor do we "let them win."  They won't.  The most they might ever accomplish is to rule over hell, which is hardly a "win," since they will be suffering in it along with everyone else there, and more than everyone else there.  But that's not the point, either.

The point of the quote above (in bold) is the danger of imagining some kind of a "divine commission" as a mandate for doing things you should not do ~ like Quo Todt appears to be doing.

Yes, we are all ~ each and every human being possessed of discretion on the face of the earth ~ "divinely appointed" to be the custodians, caretakers, administrators, and (collectively) the "supreme power" physically existent in this phenomenological universe.  In the words of the song, we are the crown of creation ~ every one of us.

But the error of the Talmudic zionists is to imagine that they, and only they among humanity, are so "appointed."

God ~ and God Alone ~ is the "King of kings."  There is no other, including us ~ we are not, individually, collectively, in part, or in any way, the "King of kings."  We are all merely "kings," and He is the "King of kings."  I use quotation marks there because the English word "king" has acquired some false connotations through the arrogance of some among mankind, and their resistance to being subject to God's authority (which tells us how to "rule" over creation in His stead, as His appointed regents); but possibly you take my meaning:  no one person, nor all people taken together, has any authority over any person possessed of discretion other than himself.

Unless and until someone possessed of discretion explicitly, voluntarily, and for commonly understood purposes and with commonly understood and accepted limitations appoints another person to exercise some explicit authority over him, there is no right that any person has to "rule over" any other, and absolutely no right to use any form of coercion to compel obedience or compliance.  This is how God Himself exercises His sovereign power over human beings, and the sovereignty with which He invests each and every one of us cannot be exercised more than He exercises His without most unpleasant consequences.

God gives us liberty to do what we choose to do, and does not force us to do anything.  Even when He tells us what to do ~  for example "Produce, proliferate, and partake as you please" ~ He does not force us to do it.  Human history, of course, proves beyond any doubt that at least collectively, we have done those things ~ "produce, proliferate, and partake as you please" ~ but He has not forced anyone to do anything.

Some, however, have gone quite beyond that, to force other people to do things, applying one or another form of coercion.  They have arrogated to themselves a "right" to apply powers that God Himself does not apply.

So ask yourself:  Is there anything else than that, that has pushed Quo Todt into his current situation?

But it goes beyond that:  Quo Todt is trying to save the world.  This is admirable, although a bit foolhardy, since he has not been able to save even himself.  But he cannot do anything else, because he has convinced himself that he has been divinely appointed and anointed to do that ~ he feels compelled to do that, and believes that we, also, should feel that same compulsion.  This is what he was posting in this forum for as long as he was here ~ unless we join him in his quest, we are sinners, wrongdoers, allies of the devil, and so on.

This is Messianic Apocalyptic Dementia.  It is one of the more extreme forms of the delusion, identical to what caused Baruch Goldstein to massacre praying muslims at the Cave of the Patriarchs on Purim so many years ago.  In Goldstein's case, the entire religious Jewish population of Israel concluded that he was a saint, that the massacre was an act of God, and that Goldstein became a martyr by dying in the process of committing mass murder.  Goldstein's inner motivation was exactly the same as Quo Todt's.

So I think you may have missed the point of my reference to Messianic Apocalyptic Dementia.  Hopefully this will clear that up.

Yes, fight the enemies of God when they beset you.

But don't let your imagination run away with you.

That's what Quo Todt has done.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Rudi Jan on May 21, 2009, 05:48:10 AM
There is always that oddball chance that someone hijacked his logon for a while without him knowing it.

No chance. I had some e-mail that came from him directly...outside the forum, NOT through PMs.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 21, 2009, 06:00:05 AM
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Quo Todt is trying to save the world.  This is admirable, although a bit foolhardy, since he has not been able to save even himself.  But he cannot do anything else, because he has convinced himself that he has been divinely appointed and anointed to do that ~ he feels compelled to do that, and believes that we, also, should feel that same compulsion.  This is what he was posting in this forum for as long as he was here ~ unless we join him in his quest, we are sinners, wrongdoers, allies of the devil, and so on.

Christians are called to speak out Against Injustice..
'You have neglected the More Important Matters of the Law: Justice, Mercy & Faithfulness'
-Christ


Wind River...Perhaps you should read the parable of the Good Samaritan from Christ, to understand what Christians are called to do, rather than try to smear someone who takes the time to publicize his works exposing the 'Snakes, Serpents, Liars, Hypocrites and Synagogue of Satan.'

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 21, 2009, 06:04:11 AM
I searched google news, not his name alone.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 21, 2009, 06:24:27 AM
This thread is starting to remind me of the good old days back at LF, for the way it's getting extended by 'mind-boggling' blog-minders.

They're not just minding the store here, they're also mining the stockroom, at the very same time.

(http://homedir-a.libsyn.com/podcasts/f08ce043b322c6d568bc363498acffd3/4a156372/sparkletack/images/sparkle52.5images/mining_troll.jpg)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 21, 2009, 07:43:28 AM
There is always that oddball chance that someone hijacked his logon for a while without him knowing it.

No chance...
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 21, 2009, 08:33:20 AM
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but possibly you take my meaning:  no one person, nor all people taken together, has any authority over any person possessed of discretion other than himself.

Wow, yeah I see what you mean now.

I got the impression that Brendon just was tired of waiting around, talking, and wanted to actually get out there and do something.  He even says in his video it's just a small mundane thing.

I haven't been here long enough to remember any of his posts that may have gave you the impression he felt he was 'appointed by God'.  I sort of doubt this.

One thing I do remember though was his posts about harassing the Israeli mall kiosk operators, which I thought was hilarious but I was dumbfounded.  Was there something I didn't understand that he did which allowed him to be fearless in this regard?  I see now that there isn't.  But otherwise I still wish him well and support him if I can.  Your point that he's causing more harm than good remains yet to be seen for me -- we'll observe the outcome.  So far he's at least getting people talking.

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Goldstein became a martyr by dying in the process of committing mass murder.  Goldstein's inner motivation was exactly the same as Quo Todt's.

Sorry but you cannot compare some Jew who commits mass-murder with Brendon's desire to get up off his ass and do something to make the world more righteous.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 21, 2009, 09:29:57 AM
I pulled this off another forum..

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Anyway actually that has little to do with why he was arrested.
Believe it or not he was arrested weeks AFTER the vid was uploaded. It was when he subsequently got involved in an argument with a certain Oz Jew activist who is connected with a certain guy that Brendon was zeroing on: see, Brendon suspected that the military facility that was located there in Perth, the so called Campbell Barracks of the Australian special forces (SAS) was infiltrated by foreign elements (guess who).

 So things went back and forth and the argument got heated up and basically it is these Perth Jews as a community who felt they couldn't win the argument against Brendon and decided to do the cowardly thing and started complaining to the authorities (actually do some string pulling of a homosexual Labour MP whose "authority" was used to provoke the police into action and press charges.
And so it was not the Jewish student in that video who pretended to be hit, that initiated this complaint (but being an activist jew himself, he no doubt joyfully agreed to come on board once he found out about it all).

Notice that Brendon is also prohibited from getting close to the Campbell Barracks. Funny (ironic) how one Christian man is regarded as more dangerous to the establishment than a camp full of spacial forces commandos.
And in a way that is indeed the case.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 21, 2009, 09:35:34 AM
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FYI, I fully support Objectivist epistemology and metaphysics, however, I don't fully support Rand's or Objectivist thought on ethics or politics.

Okay.

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You guys keep blurting out the word God, but you never properly define him/it, and I know for certain that any definition that you give will either be an unintelligible personal one, or a mainstream interpretation that's conveniently constructed so as to be beyond rational scrutiny aka proof/disproof.

Oh, forgive me but I didn't realize you were asking this question (to define God) seriously.
Well to different people the nature of God differs, so if that's what you are getting at then it's not relevant because there's a common thread/definition to them all: let's just define God as a/the supreme being that is the creator of us and the Universe.

I don't want to discuss the existence of God anymore in this thread because it's supposed to be about Brendon.  Let's please start a new thread if you are really serious about continuing it.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Rudi Jan on May 21, 2009, 10:25:05 AM
Let's please start a new thread if you are really serious about continuing it.

Good plan. It's a subject worthy of it's own thread. It's rather off-topic here.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Zampan0 on May 21, 2009, 11:59:57 AM
I didn't see any slap.

That wasn't apart of an imagination that feels real is it?

Huh?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 21, 2009, 01:25:02 PM
Quo Todt is trying to save the world.  This is admirable, although a bit foolhardy, since he has not been able to save even himself.  But he cannot do anything else, because he has convinced himself that he has been divinely appointed and anointed to do that ~ he feels compelled to do that, and believes that we, also, should feel that same compulsion.  This is what he was posting in this forum for as long as he was here ~ unless we join him in his quest, we are sinners, wrongdoers, allies of the devil, and so on.

Christians are called to speak out Against Injustice ...

'You have neglected the More Important Matters of the Law:  Justice, Mercy & Faithfulness'  - Christ


Jesus was saying that to the false pharisees and scribes, who held positions of power and privilege and exaggerated and falsified the demands of the Law to prevent others from reaching such positions.  They were responsible for that neglect, in their leadership of Temple Israel ~ Jesus was not speaking to the people when he said that.

The common people did not themselves neglect justice, mercy, and faithfulness, nor did they need to "speak out" about the tyranny of the false pharisees and scribes, they all knew about every injustice or failure of mercy visited on their neighbors and themselves, and they all knew that the false pharisees and scribes were not keeping faith with the Law of Moses.  They all suffered the tyranny of the rabbis.  This is why Jesus was welcomed by the crowds, and why the pharisees and scribes were afraid to go after him when he was among the people.

It was those scribes and pharisees, who were in a position to arrest and eliminate the criminals among the ruling parties of Temple Israel, who were guilty of not rooting out corruption.  The people were not in a position to do it, and at that point had no authority under the Law to rebel against the corrupt regimes or the Sanhedrin.  Jesus even said that:  "The scribes and pharisees sit in Moses' seat ~ all, therefore, whatsoever they bid you to do, that do; but as they do, do not ~ because they say, but they do not do."  Moreover, the scribes and pharisees were protected by the Roman legions from the people of Israel ~ much as today's Talmudic zionist Fifth Column in America are protected by the federal and state police forces.

Yes, "Christians are called to speak out Against Injustice ..." but that is not what Quo Todt is doing, and is not what Quo Todt is calling on others to do.  He is calling for confrontation of Jews in a way that Jesus did not confront the common Jews, but rather Jesus was confronted by the corrupt among the leaders of Temple Israel while he was calling the people to fulfill the promise made at Sinai to deliver the Good News.  To "speak out against injustice" is not synonymous with "confront the unjust."  People on this forum "speak out against injustice" every day.  Jesus was not calling on the Jewish people to confront the scribes and pharisees ~ he was telling the scribes and pharisees, when they confronted him, to attend to their own corruption.

Jesus was telling the people that it was time to go deliver the Good News.  They all knew the Good News already ~ it's all the way through the Old Testament.  The scribes and pharisees were saying that Jesus was a liar, that the Good News was still to be kept secret within Israel, and that it was a capital crime to recite any of the Scripture that constituted the Good News.  That was the dispute ~ the corrupt of Temple Israel did not want the disciples telling the nations the Good News, and they sought to prevent it at all costs.  Discrediting Jesus was their first strategy, and that failed; so after Jesus was gone, they falsified the Good News and deceived the gentiles of Greece and Rome with the false Good News that was completely "anti" everything Jesus brought.

Wind River ... Perhaps you should read the parable of the Good Samaritan from Christ, to understand what Christians are called to do, rather than try to smear someone who takes the time to publicize his works exposing the 'Snakes, Serpents, Liars, Hypocrites and Synagogue of Satan.'

Perhaps you should read that parable again.  The Good Samaritan helped the victim, he did not go after the robbers who beat him.  Jesus related the parable of the Good Samaritan when the corrupt confronted him, and were trying to trick him into saying that "good neighbor" referred to someone else besides Jews.  Instead, Jesus confounded them by putting them in a position where they would have had to say that "a Samaritan" was the good neighbor ~ while the official line of the Temple was that the Samaritans were not Jews.  You may notice that in the event, they did not use the word "Samaritan," but said "He who helped the victim" was the good neighbor.

Perhaps you should develop some more insight into your own religion and the ministry of Jesus before you seek to instruct me in it.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 21, 2009, 01:32:58 PM
Goldstein became a martyr by dying in the process of committing mass murder.  Goldstein's inner motivation was exactly the same as Quo Todt's.

Sorry but you cannot compare some Jew who commits mass-murder with Brendon's desire to get up off his ass and do something to make the world more righteous.


I'm not making that comparison.  If you'll read the above quote again, I'm saying that their inner motivation for what they each did was "exactly the same" ~ obedience to a divine command to do something to save the world.

But your phraseology is accurate as well ~ Goldstein slaughtered those muslims to "do something to make the world more righteous."  And the religious Jewish population of Israel agreed with him, some saying that he should have done the same thing at four or five more mosques.  That's what Goldstein believed, that's what the religious Jews of Israel believed, and it's identical with what Quo Todt believed about what he was doing.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 21, 2009, 01:45:27 PM
Notice that Brendon is also prohibited from getting close to the Campbell Barracks. Funny (ironic) how one Christian man is regarded as more dangerous to the establishment than a camp full of spacial forces commandos.

And in a way that is indeed the case.


That's very interesting.

It is definitely the case that the Talmudic zionists seldom, if ever, attack someone on the basis of what really motivates them to attack.

An example is when Bush the Elder asked Congress to delay consideration of the loan guarantees for a hundred days, and the next day there were hundreds of lobbyists on The Hill (as George said publicly a day or so later).  Three days after that Bush, who had been a war hero, became an "economic dunce" in the mainstream media, and Clinton ~ who the Lobby had bought from the Arkansas mafia ~ won the election with the slogan "It's the economy, stupid."

That post is saying that Quo Todt was exposing a fifth column within the Aussie military or police, so he's being attacked for slapping a Jewish boy to stop his exposure.

That does make sense.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 21, 2009, 02:05:04 PM


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bfb_1228836586



Poor guy thinks he's Jesus Christ and is trying to get himself crucified.  Messianic Apocalyptic Dementia* for sure.



Hi, WRS,

Aside from his cannibalistic tendencies... I totally see Brendon's point here.  Furthermore, I just wanted to add... He did nothing to warrant any of this subservient to Jews Australian "racial vilification laws" free speech and thought control.  The fate of this world is freaking me out.

Also, as per that live leak video... does anyone know which movie that is that he highlights with Jesus and the Pharisees (not the "Passion of Christ")?  I would like very much to view it.  Also Brendon O'Connell is an Irish name?  He claims, from what I understand, to be an Orthodox Christian?  This doesn't make sense to me?  For instance, I am a Greek Orthodox due to my being Greek, although I am half Irish Scottish... But where does Brendon's Eastern Orthodoxy play in?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 21, 2009, 03:09:14 PM
Brandon is a Catholic of Irish background by his own admission.

I assume he was fallen away Catholic, a post Vatican 2 'lost sheep', and he embraced the Orthodox Faith, which has valid Sacraments but is in schism with the Vatican.

The Orthodox faith is beautiful, reverent & more traditional than the Novus Ordo, Post Vatican 2, Mass and Sacraments, by comparison.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Posse Comitatus on May 21, 2009, 05:42:22 PM
 

 "Also, as per that live leak video... does anyone know which movie that is that he highlights with Jesus and the Pharisees (not the "Passion of Christ")?  I would like very much to view it."


 ET :  The movie in question is Franco Zeffirellis' masterful "Jesus of Nazareth", from 1977. The only thing that wrecked this otherwise great film was, in my humble estimation, Robert Powells' overpowering British accent. Whatever the shortcomings, at least Mel Gibsons' pioneering "Passion of Christ" was rendered in Latin and Aramaic.
http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/Jesusofnazareth.html
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Zampan0 on May 21, 2009, 06:20:31 PM
"In the Protocols it says very clearly that a single individual, motivated and knowledgeable enough, can pose a major threat to the Establishment.  What you are writing here, may be true or may not be I don't know, but it clearly discourages anyone from interfering from the Jew-World-Order agenda".

Yeah, I read that too.  I recall it as saying an individual, with the word "genius" being used.  It's at the top of the list of things that scares them to death.  I would recommend the movie 'Shooter' as an example.  It's a 'B' movie but it's fairly good and exciting.  It shows what kind of trouble one man can cause.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 21, 2009, 07:49:44 PM
...does anyone know which movie that is that he highlights with Jesus and the Pharisees (not the "Passion of Christ")?  I would like very much to view it.

"Jesus of Nazareth"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075520/

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 21, 2009, 08:22:35 PM
Hi ET...

If I recall correctly, he joined the Russian Orthodox Church less than 3 years ago. I remember him
mentioning it on LF.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 21, 2009, 11:53:03 PM
I heard a quote today from an internet radio broadcast.  I can't remember the original source, but he said something to the effect that the FBI and the CIA were small fry (regarding power) compared to the goddam ADL.

Absolutely, Graybeard, absolutely... mind boggling.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 22, 2009, 12:13:36 AM
Thank you all for your responses and explaining this to me.  As for naming the movie, thanks, it is certainly on the top of my movie list now.

And Brendon, if you are out there... Godspeed to you Son.  This event should concern every individual that cares anything about justice and their God given rights to their own views and freedom of speech, expression, and thought.

The maximum penalty for the offence is 14 years' jail, or fines of up to $24,000.

This is insanity and a crime against humanity in itself.  This is beyound absurd.

If the Jews didn't commit wholesale harmful acts against others then they wouldn't need to be so paranoid of backlash thus having to have protection enacted in one form or another such as their so-called global anti-semitism nonsense which in fact perpetuates detriment against others and continues the criminal cycle... while doing what they do best... killing the truth.

On a personal note... Since you are okay in Rottenjohnh's book (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13040.msg113503#msg113503), then you are okay in mine.  I totally respect Rottenjohnh.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 22, 2009, 06:36:46 AM
Brendon is accusing me of being one of the Jewish trash talkers polluting his homepage at AWE.
He must think that the years JJ and I spent criticizing Zionism are some odd form of cover.....actually if he took the time to go over to JJ's IRIS forum, he could read some of my comments, for ex, I describe Judaism, Zionism and Israel as the evil triad.

He also seems ultra pissed at the ROC....which I assume is the Russian Orthodox Church....I guess none of them gave him any meaningful support and in fact may have distanced themselves from him thanks to his celebrity status.






Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 22, 2009, 06:41:09 AM

Oh, forgive me but I didn't realize you were asking this question (to define God) seriously.
  Let's please start a new thread if you are really serious about continuing it.

I'm serious about philosophy, I'm just not serious about discussing it with you.
You clearly have no idea of what the process of proof/disproof involves.......but don't be alarmed, the bulk of both the general public and even those that claim to have an interest in philosophy are actually philosophically illiterate.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 22, 2009, 06:47:15 AM
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He also seems ultra pissed at the ROC....which I assume is the Russian Orthodox Church....I guess none of them gave him any meaningful support and in fact may have distanced themselves from him thanks to his celebrity status.

He will likely get little support from them, a damn shame.
A traditional priest has told me in no uncetain terms, that the Russian Church is headed by a Communist, Bolshevik agent...much as the Post Conciliar Vatican 2 Catholic Church was infiltrated & controlled, so too were alot of the Orthodox Churches.

I hope and trust he has a stronger network than just those in his faith group.
Most are sheep, same as everywhere else.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 22, 2009, 06:54:47 AM
The maximum penalty for the offence is 14 years' jail, or fines of up to $24,000.

This is insanity and a crime against humanity in itself.  This is beyound absurd.

Actually, it's fitting for a virulent anti-Jew who verbally and physically assaults peaceful citizens and who has a track record of threatening them with terrorist acts.

I hope he gets the maximum sentence the law allows.

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If the Jews didn't commit wholesale harmful acts against others...

Like 9/11, perhaps?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 22, 2009, 06:56:38 AM
Most are sheep, same as everywhere else.

Belief in fairytales such as God and the notion of subjective ethics seem to be the common denominator.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 22, 2009, 07:00:05 AM
Actually, it's fitting for a virulent anti-Jew who verbally and physically assaults peaceful citizens and who has a track record of threatening them with terrorist acts.

I hope he gets the maximum sentence the law allows.

Like 9/11, perhaps?

Fucking moronic Jewish idiot.
Why are you here......even people who've been verbally abused and wrongly accused by Brendon aren't buying your crap.
This is a anti-Jew/Zionist message board......you are literally wasting your time.......so why not create another account at AWE and focus your energies there?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 22, 2009, 07:06:56 AM
Fucking moronic Jewish idiot.

Watch that language, please.

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Why are you here...

I have as much a right to be here as anyone else.

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This is a anti-Jew/Zionist message board...

Is it, really?

I'm sure that's news to those who created this forum.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 22, 2009, 07:12:18 AM
Watch that language, please.

I have as much a right to be here as anyone else.


Fuck off imbecile.

NOLA.......why are we allowing this blatant turd to be here?
It's obvious he's pro-Zionist........the purpose of this forum should be to educate decent people regarding the truth about world affairs, but I can't see the value of allowing a blatant pro-Zionist to post here.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 22, 2009, 07:29:37 AM
Fuck off imbecile.

NOLA.......why are we allowing this blatant turd to be here?
It's obvious he's pro-Zionist........the purpose of this forum should be to educate decent people regarding the truth about world affairs, but I can't see the value of allowing a blatant pro-Zionist to post here.

What would be wrong with that?

Anti-Zionists are allowed to post here. Why would you think they wouldn't allow opposing points of view?

More to the point, why DON'T you want them to allow opposing points of view?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 22, 2009, 07:30:33 AM
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Belief in fairytales such as God and the notion of subjective ethics seem to be the common denominator.

Wasnt always the case.
THE CHURCH, before Jewry in the last 200 years, Kept Jews locked in caged ghettos.
Protestants and Jews Allied and they were released, the Catholic Churchs' power destroyed and relinquished.

Not the belief in 'fairytales or God that is the problem.
Its the new mindset-modernism, ecumenism etc, the corruption Christs' message (Judeo Christianity) and Jewry implementing an attack from within, that is the problem.

I agree with you on Gelignite
Ive been banned from 10+ forums for my views as an anti zionist.
Why arent Zios banned from OUR Forums?
Turnabout is surely fair play..
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 22, 2009, 07:38:17 AM
I agree with you on Gelignite
Ive been banned from 10+ forums for my views as an anti zionist.
Why arent Zios banned from OUR Forums?
Turnabout is surely fair play..

I've been banned from other forums because of my views, if it makes you feel any better.

In fact, I was even banned from this forum, once.

Much to their credit, they reinstated me. And I have been most appreciative that they extended me the privilege.

Why would you want them to withdraw it? I've not violated any of the forum guidelines.


If you don't like me, don't read my posts.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 22, 2009, 07:40:38 AM
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The maximum penalty for the offence is 14 years' jail, or fines of up to $24,000.

This is insanity and a crime against humanity in itself.  This is beyound absurd.

Actually, it's fitting for a virulent anti-Jew who verbally and physically assaults peaceful citizens and who has a track record of threatening them with terrorist acts.

I hope he gets the maximum sentence the law allows.

If this is your sense of humor it is very bad, perhaps you should please indicate your sarcasm in it somewhere.

Otherwise, I think we have a live one.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 22, 2009, 07:43:50 AM
Actually, it's fitting for a virulent anti-Jew who verbally and physically assaults peaceful citizens and who has a track record of threatening them with terrorist acts.

I hope he gets the maximum sentence the law allows.


If this is your sense of humor it is very bad, perhaps you should please indicate your sarcasm in it somewhere.

Oh, I'm quite serious.

Read my posts in this thread.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 22, 2009, 07:44:57 AM
Actually, it's fitting for a virulent anti-Jew who verbally and physically assaults peaceful citizens and who has a track record of threatening them with terrorist acts.

I hope he gets the maximum sentence the law allows.


That's exactly what we would expect you to say geli, from day one you have defended the criminal acts of the racist apartheid state, even going so far as to try to excuse the murder of Americans by the zionists.

I will not wish you harm or ill health, I will simply assure you that your treason and treachery will earn it's just reward in the end.

Watch that language, please.

I have to agree with poggy on this one demon, Go Fuck yourself!!

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I have as much a right to be here as anyone else.

No you don't.  This is a Private message board and you are allowed to post at the will of the owners, you have no right.

They are fully versed on your lies from day one but allow you to stay as a reminder of the forces of evil among us.  If you think you are allowed to post here as a member of good standing, you would be wrong.  

We ALL recognize you for who you are, we don't know your blood or name or location and none of those things matter, what you have shown is the evil in your heart in your support of the synagogue of Satan over the forces of good.

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I'm sure that's news to those who created this forum.


Just put a sock in it geli,  I challenge you to name even ONE POSTER who has the slightest drop of respect for you, let alone a mod or admin.  You don't even have a clue what the site creators really support so stop suggesting that you do.  You walk a line closer to extinction than you know.

I find it funny that you should try to hide behind the skirt of the owners, they have no love or time for you and in fact would have no problem sealing you up in a barrel and throwing you overboard as was done with the last Orange zionist usurpers.

That's OK though, you go on forging your way forward with your pack of lies,  When the right time comes, and the right people get tired of your constant lies and deception, you'll walk the plank.  In the meantime, thanks for reminding us of who the real enemy of truth and Justice are, and don't cry and complain when the world once again determines it's time to purge you and yours.   There is a reason this becomes a necessity every century, Even the dilapidated sense of humanity is wise enough to purge the the purveyors of lies as necessary.  Your time will come again soon.

I have despised you since you argued for days that the entire USS Liberty attack was a simple misunderstanding.  You claimed that the israeli pilots couldn't see ten foot high white letters on the side of the ship as they strafed it.

You are a traitor to the United States and to those of us who have carried a gun and fought for this great country.  You are a disease that time will cure.

As soon as there is the first drop of proof that you have carried out any of the threats you have suggested as far as going to the authorities with what you read here, you will be escorted off the property.

Your very suggestion of passing on information you read here is enough to have you hanging by a thread.   You say you "wouldn't do it" yet you suggested it and pushed the notion.

When you dug up old mud posted here by Brendon and suggested that it should be offered to the authorities and then say that you hope he gets the maximum sentence he can, your position is very clear,  You have no support here.    May you experience the betrayal you offer your fellows, it is the least of what you deserve!!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 22, 2009, 07:46:25 AM
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Anti-Zionists are allowed to post here. Why would you think they wouldn't allow opposing points of view?

Because they are liars and we respect the truth in here?
Anyone who has seen the video knows there's nothing in there that's worth jail time or a even a fine.

Plus it's another calculated attempt to silence the opposition, and it may even be a calculated attempt at sweeping him under for exposing the fifth column inside Australian military/govt.  We are tired of being silenced.  I'm tired of this filth.  Get the fuck out of here...
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 22, 2009, 07:47:05 AM

Not the belief in 'fairytales or God that is the problem.

I agree with you on Gelignite



Belief in God is the rejection of reality, and reality is the basis of ALL objective knowledge, as such, belief in God/s gaurantee's subjective ethics.

Gelly should be shitcanned as a disgusting Jew....the idea that Zionism has merit is absurd, it's like coming out and saying that woman and children can be raped and slaughtered....hey, wait, that's what they already say.

We don't owe blatantly evil cocksuckers anything except extreme justice.


Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 22, 2009, 07:49:51 AM

This is  reply is meant for gelignite, Poggy


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I've been banned from other forums because of my views, if it makes you feel any better.
In fact, I was even banned from this forum, once.
Much to their credit, they reinstated me. And I have been most appreciative that they extended me the privilege.
Why would you want them to withdraw it? I've not violated any of the forum guidelines.
If you don't like me, don't read my posts.

Ill give you this, youre honest about who and what you are.
That alone deserves merit, as opposed to the cryptos here that operate in the shadows (I wont name names)

Its that you sow discord, waste others time and interrupt thought and cohesion with youre presence here.
Im not anti Jew per se, I wish you'd join the side of Justice in this world and our forum.  Its the interruption you as a Zio Jew cause thats the issue in my book.

Jews work all over youtube and forums controlling dissent or trying to. Its wearing
Thats why Id prefer a Ban. Whats good for the goose...
As said, Ive been banned from Stormfront multiple times, youtube and various gun forums for my position about Kosher Cryptos and Jewry.

Free Speech should be tolerated here, there and everywhere.
Unfortunately its not, and therefore why Mods should ban to practice the status quo on the net..and ban you and all cryptos, once outed-Cyber Inquisition of sorts.
I hate bans but find it a necessary evil given what we are fighting and up against. Hope that makes sense.

Shalom

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Belief in God is the rejection of reality, and reality is the basis of ALL objective knowledge, as such, belief in God/s gaurantee's subjective ethics.
The Problem isnt the belief in God. Its NOT Believing in God and following his tenants and teachings, that is THE Problem.
As stated, The Catholic Church Kept Jews locked in cages. You never comment on this?

Protestants and Jews allied to release them and free them to run amuck in society, destroying 1600 years of order in the process.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 22, 2009, 07:58:50 AM
"Why would you want them to withdraw it? I've not violated any of the forum guidelines."


He never said he wanted you re-banned, he was trying to characterize terms for a level playing field ... and making a fairly sharp joke out of it, too.

But now you want to read it otherwise and use that interpretation to bait him over what you say he means, which is exactly the type of behavior I think should be deemed totally unwelcome ... anywhere.

Ask, don't tell.  Sheesh .... 
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 22, 2009, 08:09:17 AM
That's exactly what we would expect you to say geli, from day one you have defended the criminal acts of the racist apartheid state, even going so far as to try to excuse the murder of Americans by the zionists.

I have done no such thing.

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This is a Private message board and you are allowed to post at the will of the owners, you have no right.

Which is as much as anyone else has a "right".

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I challenge you to name even ONE POSTER who has the slightest drop of respect for you, let alone a mod or admin.

Since when is such a determining criteria?

In any event, I doubt there are many here who would be for the draconian methods of forum moderation being proposed by a few.

I don't spam this site. I defend my arguments. Well. And, for the most part, I stay within the guidelines set forth by the forum creators. Whenever I step over the line, I heed the admonishment by forum admin (unlike some others, one or two of whom are no longer here) They know as well as I do that there's no valid reason why I shouldn't be extended the privilege of posting here.

If you don't like that, too bad.

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You are a traitor to the United States and to those of us who have carried a gun and fought for this great country.

In fact, I have served in the armed forces of this country.

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As soon as there is the first drop of proof that you have carried out any of the threats you have suggested as far as going to the authorities with what you read here, you will be escorted off the property.

As I said, I have no intention of doing this. Why do you keep bringing it up?

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You say you "wouldn't do it" yet you suggested it and pushed the notion.

Not at all. I was merely pointing out the ease with which it could be done.

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When you dug up old mud posted here by Brendon and suggested that it should be offered to the authorities...

Well, he did threaten a terrorist act. He did threaten to detonate an explosive device within close proximity to women and children.


Kindly defend this position that this should not be offered to the authorities.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 22, 2009, 08:19:37 AM
Its that you sow discord, waste others time and interrupt thought and cohesion with youre presence here.

I disagree.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 22, 2009, 08:24:36 AM
Guys this Jewish turd is wasting our time.

The basic and undeniable facts are that Israel is slaughtering and oppressing the Palestinians, have hoodwinked the "coalition of the Killing" into doing their bidding in Iraq and have killed approx 1 000 000 people, and they've taken control of the western media by and large.....as such, there's no such thing as expressing Zionism's POV, it's already being expressed in the form of mass murder on an extraordinary scale, rape, the destruction of homes and infrastructure etc, etc.

This forum has made that plain and clear, so for anyone to suggest that Zionism might have an upside is clearly evil to the core......so why allow this disturbing thing to post here?


Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 22, 2009, 08:29:07 AM
'Well, he did threaten a terrorist act. He did threaten to detonate an explosive device within close proximity to women and children.'


It was simply a Hypothetical  in that discussion.
He never gave an implied direct threat.
This is a Judaic hyper overreaction to an obvious overstatement.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 22, 2009, 08:30:27 AM

The Problem isnt the belief in God. Its NOT Believing in God and following his tenants and teachings, that is THE Problem.
As stated, The Catholic Church Kept Jews locked in cages. You never comment on this?


Did the Catholic Church support IRIS?
How are you going to determine right from wrong in an objective manner whilst believing there's a God looking over your shoulder and assuming that he/it wants you to behave in a certain manner?
I don't want to be controlled by bullshitters and don't want to worship irrational authority.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 22, 2009, 08:36:05 AM
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Did the Catholic Church support IRIS?

Elaborate, I dont know what youre alluding to..
I can assure you the Pre Vatican 2 supported any measure not Pro Zio

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 22, 2009, 08:37:20 AM
for anyone to suggest that Zionism might have an upside is clearly evil to the core......so why allow this disturbing thing to post here?

Why not?

In any event, I've never weighed in on Zionism, per se. People always assume that I'm a "Zionist" or a "Jew", though I've never publically affirmed either such notion.


I just happen to think that Brendon is a dangerous scumbag who should probably spend some time behind bars.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 22, 2009, 08:37:37 AM

We ALL recognize you for who you are, we don't know your blood or name or location and none of those things matter, what you have shown is the evil in your heart in your support of the synagogue of Satan over the forces of good.
 
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That's all we need to know IMO.
Also, I think most of us have been around a bit, and we know how these turds operate, as such, there's no value in having "it" here even as an example of Zionist MO.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 22, 2009, 08:41:47 AM
Elaborate, I dont know what youre alluding to..

Individual rights and individual sovereignty aka IRIS.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 22, 2009, 08:47:03 AM
Why not?

In any event, I've never weighed in on Zionism, per se. People always assume that I'm a "Zionist" or a "Jew", though I've never publically affirmed either such notion.


I just happen to think that Brendon is a dangerous scumbag who should probably spend some time behind bars.

Don't insult our intelligence you slimy turd.

As I said before, most people at this forum have been abused and accused by Brendon, yet none of us want him to suffer any penalty, yet here you are mouthing off like you're a decent and credible citizen demanding that he be jailed.
You blatant POS.


Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 22, 2009, 08:53:28 AM
I have done no such thing.

Yes you have done EXACTLY that geli.

To this day you STILL claim that the USS Liberty incident was an accident.

It is CLEARLY and outright deliberate attack on the United States by israel and as long as you offer apologies for those who attacked and killed American servicemen, you are a traitor to the armed forces of the United States and to all American citizens.

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Which is as much as anyone else has a "right".

That is correct, however this site was created to expose the criminal action of the zionists who you constantly defend, therefore your existence undermines the very purpose of this site.  But no worries, you are allowed to participate as an open reminder of what to be wary of.

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Since when is such a determining criteria?

So lets get this straight, you don't think that respect from a single other poster on a site designed to expose the evil of the zionist means anything in your constant defense of those who the site was created to expose?

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In any event, I doubt there are many here who would be for the draconian methods of forum moderation being proposed by a few.

Actually I don't see ANYONE suggesting any such "draconian methods" you suggest, it is even more imagination on your part.

In the past, it's been the site owners that stuffed the zionist infiltrators in a barrel and pushed them over the side, not site contributors.

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I don't spam this site. I defend my arguments.

Wrong.  You DO spam this site, and no you do NOT defend your points well.

For example on the other 911 thread, others just pointed out that Larry Silverstein said 'Pull it" in reference to WTC 7.  You turned right around and said "that is not exactly what he said".  I then posted up the 24 second clip where that is EXACTLY what he said.

That's called a straight up DELIBERATE LIE on your part geli, "defending arguments" with lies, is still not defending an argument, it's a LIE.

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Well. And, for the most part, I stay within the guidelines set forth by the forum creators. Whenever I step over the line, I heed the admonishment by forum admin (unlike some others, one or two of whom are no longer here) They know as well as I do that there's no valid reason why I shouldn't be extended the privilege of posting here.

I would have to disagree.  That you even Suggested giving the authorities Brendon's "threats" is reason enough to remove your posting privileges here in my view. 

But you didn't just stop there, you actually dug up the thread, and re posted the threat along with a suggestion that it should be sent to the authorities,  givin your long past history of distortion and lies across the forums, I wouldn't have let that slide, but I'm not in charge lucky for you.

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If you don't like that, too bad.

Yea I hear you.  what happens when there is no one else on this site that approves or accepts your propensity to share private postings with the law?

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In fact, I have served in the armed forces of this country.

So did Aldrich Ames and Jonathan Pollard.   It's not what you have done in your life that counts, it's who you support now and who you betray now that counts!!

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As I said, I have no intention of doing this. Why do you keep bringing it up?

Because it is VERY close to my heart and a VERY big deal that's why.

I had some of those who betray as you do, take a post from this very site and turn it into the Department of Homeland Security.   I was questioned and cut loose as I am an American Patriot, but that is not the point, the point is that zionist infiltrators as yourself have the power to take our words here and turn them over to the authorities in order for the authorities to harass us in our Real lives.

You thought about it, copy and pasted the post and suggested that it should be done in open forum.

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Not at all. I was merely pointing out the ease with which it could be done.

You might be stupid geli, but we are not.  We have been through this before, to even suggest the ease of such a thing is the same as doing it in my book.  Couple that with your hope that "Brendon gets the full extent of the sentence he possibly could for harassing innocent jews"  gives you motive, and a plan in which to carry out your betrayal and deception.

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Well, he did threaten a terrorist act. He did threaten to detonate an explosive device within close proximity to women and children.

And that RIGHT THERE IS exactly HOW YOU ALWAYS WORK.

You deny...deny...deny...until you are backed into a corner, than you find ways to justify your betrayal. 

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Kindly defend this position that this should not be offered to the authorities.

Because the "authorities" are your zionist puppet masters who arrested him in the first place over this incident.

You are the enemy amongst us for your suggestion that he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for expressing personal opinion.

I would ban you instantly for offering your explanation as to why his posting here should be offered the authorities.

You work against the forces of good in your excuse for evil.

Thanks for so clearly stating your position. if there was anyone here in doubt, you have certainly clarified your stance for them.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 22, 2009, 09:09:14 AM

That is correct, however this site was created to expose the criminal action of the zionists who you constantly defend, therefore your existence undermines the very purpose of this site.  But no worries, you are allowed to participate as an open reminder of what to be wary of.


Great work Effendi, but as I said, most of us have been around, or are at other forums and know exactly how these turds operate, so we don't need anymore first hand examples from them.

I'm hopeful I'll wake up in the morning to the news that this disgusting little turd has been shitcanned.......I haven't noticed this turd until recently, so I'm surprised Nola's tolerated him for so long.
He's insulting our intelligence, laughing at Brendon's predicament and LYING left, right and centre.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 22, 2009, 09:29:50 AM
I think Nola tolerates him because he walks a fine line.   Don't expect him to be banned any time soon as he has survived a long time by pushing the envelope right up to the breaking point as it were.

I guess the point that surprised me the most is the free pass he seems to be given by the self proclaimed zionist hunters like Walt here.

Geli is right, he has never come right out and said he was a zionist that I am aware of, but he plays devil advocate as if he is intimately familiar with the dark being himself.

The lesson to be aware of here is that words that we type here are not safe and never have been.  Geli has been clear that he is fully justified in his mind when it comes to turning over potentially damning evidence to the authorities in their prosecution of Brendon.

Obviously MOST of the posters on this site support Brendons message if not his method, yet few have anything to say to Geli for suggesting that someone provide the authorities with the questionable posts.

Earlier, Walt was very vehement about exposing the deeds of the zionists amongst us yet has been very mild in his criticism of geli, going so far as to say this:

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(originally posted by Walt Disney)
"Ill give you this, youre honest about who and what you are.
That alone deserves merit, as opposed to the cryptos here that operate in the shadows (I wont name names)".

I say here is your chance Walt, for all the smoke and mirrors around, here is a KNOWN entity among us who really deserves your fire.  Since you specialize in going after zionist usurpers, here is your challenge.

I mean no disrespect towards you Walt, but this is what we spoke of earlier, making sure the fire reins down on the true forces of evil among us.  Do you thing brother!!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 22, 2009, 09:57:36 AM
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I guess the point that surprised me the most is the free pass he seems to be given by the self proclaimed zionist hunters like Walt here.
Effendi..
Im not taking the bait.
I made my point clear.  My issue here  is more with Crytpos that operate here silently, Not those the are diehard Zios. I know where THEY stand.
The KO punch is the one you dont see.  You'd love to see me in Brandons shoes huh?
Thats your job..nice try.

I voted to ban Gel. and I stated my reasons why.
I also advocate a 'Madagascar' Option. This has also been expressed in my posts.
If you think this is a pass, youre nuts. Ive outed more here than anyone, without even trying.
Its the spies Im most concerned with, not insane Zios like Gel, who I too have crossed swords with. I wouldnt miss him if he were removed, nor any of the others.
That clear?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 22, 2009, 10:39:27 AM
Effendi..
Im not taking the bait.

It was not intended as bait my friend, merely observation.

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I made my point clear.  My issue here  is more with Crytpos that operate here silently, Not those the are diehard Zios. I know where THEY stand.
The KO punch is the one you dont see.  You'd love to see me in Brandons shoes huh?
Thats your job..nice try.

Please be more clear on your point.   I would not like to see you in Brendon's shoes when it comes to being prosecuted, I WOULD like to see you in Brendon's shoes as far as dropping the hammer on the true enemy.

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If you think this is a pass, youre nuts. Ive outed more here than anyone, without even trying.
Alright, maybe a pass was the wrong wording, but I felt you go off on me for questioning Brendon's tactics even going as far as accusing me of being a jew, whereas here is someone who clearly holds that line and you complimented him on his honesty rather than steamrolling him.

And without appearing to cause more trouble, I ask for the third time WHO have you "outed" on this site man?  Please give a name or two to back up your assertion of having "outed more than anyone".

So far I have seen Nolajbs "out" and Bann Kreplach, Rachel1958 and the Orange crew as known enemy.  There have been a few others in question, but I am unfamiliar with the details.  Please give us some names or indications of people and scenario's you have been a party to shutting up.  I do believe you,  you have no reason to make up such a serious issue,  I just want to know WHO.

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Its the spies Im most concerned with, not insane Zios like Gel, who I too have crossed swords with. I wouldnt miss him if he were removed, nor any of the others.
That clear?

Yes, that part is.  And I AM convinced that your heart is in the right place as far as the bottom line is concerned, I'm just trying to see this from your pov.

I am NOT trying to be contentious in this post, I want to think we are past that.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 22, 2009, 10:43:20 AM
Hi, Effendi,

JackBarbara posted this to my thread about this incident at boondocks. 

http://www.youtube.com/user/SuppressedVids



http://www.the-boondocks.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=131710&#msg_131710
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 22, 2009, 10:58:54 AM
Also, for the record, this reminds me of the recent case of attorney, Kostas Plevris in Greece, he was charged with the same enacted jew laws, he turned around and filed charges also against his accusers. 

ATHENS (EJP)---The trial of lawyer Kostas Plevris and of the extreme-right newspaper Eleftheros Cosmos on charges of breaking the anti-racism law, which opened last week, was postponed until December 3 due to the increased workload of judges in the context of the Greek general elections.

Plevris, the author of the book `Jews: The Whole Truth,` has been accused of publishing several anti-Semitic articles in the newspaper and `inciting actions that could provoke discrimination, hatred and violence against persons and groups of persons, solely because of their racial and ethnic origins.`

He denies the charges.

http://www.ejpress.org/article/20149


International Freedom of Expression eXchange

(Excerpts from the report follow:)

( . . .) On 4 December 2007, Mr. Panayote Dimitras - Greek Helsinki Monitor (GHM) Spokesperson, member of World Organisation Against Torture (OMCT) Assembly of Delegates, and convener of the Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Network (EMHRN)'s Working Group on Freedom of Association - testified at a trial before a Three-Member Appeals Court of Athens against the extreme-right newspaper Eleftheros Kosmos, which had published articles on 27 October 2006 in conjunction of the anti-Semitic book by Mr. Kostas Plevris, The Jews - The whole truth (May 2006), in which Mr. Plevris glorifies Hitler and calls for the extermination of the Jews.

(. . . ) After he became aware of the complaints against him, filed in October and December 2006, Mr. Plevris launched in January 2007 two lawsuits for defamation against Mr. Dimitras. One of them also targeted Ms. Andrea Gilbert, GHM's specialist on anti-Semitism, and Messrs. Moses Konstantinis, Benjamin Albala, Abraham Reitan and Leon Gavriilidis, four members of the Central Board of Jewish Communities in Greece (Kentriko Israilitiko Symvoulio - KIS), who had also testified against him. Although these lawsuits contain racist, anti-Semitic and homophobic statements, the Greek courts have surprisingly registered them and have set trial dates in 2008. Mr. Plevris, probably because of his criminal conviction at first instance and the loss of his application for interim measures . . . , abandoned the lawsuits.

Moreover, Mr. Plevris singled out Ms. Andrea Gilbert, because she is an American Jew who has settled in Greece and also the spokesperson of the gay and lesbian NGO Athens Pride. In August 2007, he filed an application requesting an interim measure to freeze her assets, which was heard on 30 November 2007, by the Single-Member First Instance Court of Athens (Interim Measures). On 16 January 2008 the court rejected the application. In its ruling, the Court concluded that "it is true that the applicant calls into question the Holocaust, the concentration camps, the gas chambers and the ovens, which he considers part of Jewish propaganda [?] the applicant anyhow expressly states that he is an anti-Semite and a Nazi."

At the same time, in January 2007, Mr. Plevris filed a criminal complaint for defamation and perjury against Ms. Andrea Gilbert, and Messrs. Panayote Dimitras, Messrs. Moses Konstantinis, Benjamin Albala, Abraham Reitan and Leon Gavriilidis. More than one-and-a-half years later, the complaint is still in the phase of preliminary investigation, which according to the law should not last more than four months.

(. . . ) Finally, in October 2007, Mr. Plevris filed a complaint report against Mr. Dimitras claiming that, with texts that he wrote on the Macedonian minority in Greece - which include references to ECRI and UN Treaty Bodies concerns and recommendations on the matter - he violated Article 138 paragraph 1 of the Criminal Code which states: "one who attempts by force or by threat of force to detach from the Greek State territory belonging to it or to include territory of the Greek State in another state shall be punished by death" (another article commutes death sentences to life sentences). The Chief Prosecutor of the First Instance Court of Athens decided that the criminal complaint was not completely unfounded, and launched a related proprio motu preliminary criminal investigation against Mr. Dimitras. More than nine months later, the complaint is still in the phase of preliminary investigation, which according to the law should not last more than four months.

(. . .)
http://www.ifex.org/greece/2008/08/18/minority_rights_defenders_face/


In December 2007, Plevris was initially found guilty of inciting racial hatred by a Greek court because of revisionist views on the Holocaust in his book "The Jews - The Whole Truth". He appealed the court ruling and on the 27th of March 2009 the court of appeals has found Plevris "not guilty".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantinos_Plevris
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 22, 2009, 10:59:10 AM
I'm hopeful I'll wake up in the morning to the news that this disgusting little turd has been shitcanned...

Get set for a disappointment.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 22, 2009, 11:02:08 AM
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I voted to ban Gel. and I stated my reasons why.

Here are some of the Charges:

1) Choosing a handle that associates the forum with terrorism.

2) Linking to propaganda known to be false.

3) Posting subtle lies all the time.

4) Defending Zionism.  Defending other doctrines known to be false.

5) Implicit threat of turning (out-of-context) posts over to authorities.

6) Over 870 posts of wasting everyone on this forum's time!

...BUT, maybe we shouldn't ban Gel.  If we do he'll just be back under a different name and even more stealthy.  This way, at least we know who and what he is, and can beware.

I am reminded of the last scenes in the movie "Night of the Living Dead", when they have a handful of zombies safely rounded up and under control, while everyone's laughing and poking fun at them.  Just like real life (here); Great movie!

(but then again, maybe it's better to have a clean house)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 22, 2009, 11:07:03 AM
Excellent points Old Times, especially the last one.  Thanks for clarifying that for ALL of us.  You have it Nailed!!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 22, 2009, 11:34:33 AM
Yes you have done EXACTLY that geli.

To this day you STILL claim that the USS Liberty incident was an accident.

I maintain that the attack wasn't deliberately carried out against a vessel that was known to be American.

I have also stated my agreement with the notion that Israel was guilty of negligence, perhaps to a criminal extent, and have lamented that there wasn't more accountability for the incident on the part of the IDF.

How this constitutes an excuse for the murder of Americans, I don't know.

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...on the other 911 thread, others just pointed out that Larry Silverstein said 'Pull it" in reference to WTC 7.  You turned right around and said "that is not exactly what he said".  I then posted up the 24 second clip where that is EXACTLY what he said.

In fact, you mischaracterized what Silverstein said, which I pointed out here (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13125.msg113909#msg113909).

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I would ban you instantly for offering your explanation as to why his posting here should be offered the authorities.

I never suggested that Brendan's postings here should be offered to any authorities.

In fact, I specifically stated that I had no intention to do so.

You, on the other hand, seem to be suggesting that Brendan's threats should NOT be submitted to anyone. That you do, in fact, applaud his efforts.

I asked you to defend that position.

That's all.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 22, 2009, 11:45:25 AM
I didn't know he was so busy. Just goes to show how many laws they are breaking in every country.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 22, 2009, 11:52:02 AM
Here are some of the Charges:

1) Choosing a handle that associates the forum with terrorism.

It has nothing whatever to do with terrorism.

On the other hand, "change" (Brendan) has made posts in which he expressed his desire to blow people up. If that doesn't associate the forum with terrorism, then I don't know what. 

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2) Linking to propaganda known to be false.

Known by whom to be false? And where and when has that ever been established (besides your own mind)?

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3) Posting subtle lies all the time.

No instance in which I have ever lied on this forum has ever been made public, and I defy you to come up with such an example.

On the other hand, I have caught Effendi in at least one demonstrable falsehood this very day.

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4) Defending Zionism.

Where have I ever defended "Zionism", per se?

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Defending other doctrines known to be false.

Once again, known by whom? How established as "false"?

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5) Implicit threat of turning (out-of-context) posts over to authorities.

That the "threat" was inferred by you doesn't mean that it was implied by me.

On the other hand, the posts in question speak of blowing women and children to pieces. You seem to have no problem with this, and yet you would have me banned from this forum because you perceived a threat (from me, erroneously) to pass on some links to these posts to the authorities?

Strange.

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6) Over 870 posts of wasting everyone on this forum's time!

I disagree. I think I provide many stimulating conversations, and have imparted a lot of knowledge and truth to many-a poster on this forum.

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...BUT, maybe we shouldn't ban Gel.

The question is academic, in any event.

There's no reason to ban me from the forum, and so it will not happen.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 22, 2009, 11:54:37 AM
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I maintain that the attack wasn't deliberately carried out against a vessel that was known to be American.

Oh, so they don't know the nationality of the ships they attack before they start attacking them?
What B.S.

I read a transcript of the radio communications between the Israeli warplanes, and right before they engaged, they said "what's this?  Americans..."

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I have also stated my agreement with the notion that Israel was guilty of negligence

Israel's atrocity in Gaza is an act of negligence?!

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In fact, you mischaracterized what Silverstein said, which I pointed out here.

The 'characterization' of what Silverstein said according to you, and according to Effendi, is still the same:  That serpent was in on it.

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I never suggested that Brendan's postings here should be offered to any authorities.

*sigh* - pull up the post again where gelignite suggests that Brendan's postings here should be offered to the authorities...

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You, on the other hand, seem to be suggesting that Brendan's threats should NOT be submitted to anyone. That you do, in fact, applaud his efforts.
I asked you to defend that position.

Notice that you deceptively tie applauding Brandon's efforts to approving of him making hypothetical threats.
Do you have any defense for your position?

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That's all.

Oh please let that not be yet another lie.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 22, 2009, 11:59:51 AM
I maintain that the attack wasn't deliberately carried out against a vessel that was known to be American.

There is absolutely NO WAY by ANY Account that such could be the case.  That makes you an intentional deceiver!!

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I have also stated my agreement with the notion that Israel was guilty of negligence, perhaps to a criminal extent, and have lamented that there wasn't more accountability for the incident on the part of the IDF.

How this constitutes an excuse for the murder of Americans, I don't know.


READ what you just wrote.

On one hand you "Lament that there was not IDF accountability"  and the very next sentence you say you don't understand "how this constitutes an excuse for the murder of Americans".  They are ONE and the SAME!!

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You, on the other hand, seem to be suggesting that Brendan's threats should NOT be submitted to anyone. That you do, in fact, applaud his efforts.

That is EXACTLY correct!!  It's none of YOUR damn business zionist, you are the demon in the crosshairs, and have no doubt that I support Brendon 100%!!

I FULLY Applaud his actions and have done the same myself and PROMISE to do more of it in the future.  I intend to learn from his mistakes and refine the method to be more effective in the future!!

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I asked you to defend that position.

That's all.

That's very easy.  He was RIGHT.  He was accurate in his statements, and true in his purpose, there is no more defense of that position required!!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Poggy on May 22, 2009, 12:01:28 PM
Get set for a disappointment.

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13141.0

Get set for a timely exit shithead.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 22, 2009, 12:03:13 PM
http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13141.0

Get set for a timely exit shithead.

It'll never happen.

Best you move on to more substantive issues.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 22, 2009, 12:06:32 PM
Hey Liz, to that fact, there is no doubt.

I'm still not un-convinced that geli is not judge jay cristol himself.  He is at the very least a student of his.  geli uses many of the same exact arguments as cristol to justify the deaths of 34 American sailors.

It's really disgusting but yes, you are right.  He is a known provocateur, no need to argue with it.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 22, 2009, 12:08:28 PM
Yup, Effendi,

You and I are on the same page : ))

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 22, 2009, 12:12:48 PM
Hey Effendi,
And notice how he's still trying to stick his rotting tongue out of his flesh-deteriorating corpse mouth!
..and taking swings at us.  haha!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 22, 2009, 12:20:31 PM
Hey old times, it is how he has always operated.  If you really want to loose your lunch, read back on a couple of Liz's old threads regarding the USS Liberty.

Some of his "explanations" are borderline hilarious.

The most egregious is his continued contention that it was all a huge misunderstanding despite even the israeli pilots confirming they were well aware of it being an American ship.

The case is rather clear and well settled as of now in my mind.  israel did what was in the best interest of israel, at the cost of American lives.  Nothing new there!!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 22, 2009, 12:29:33 PM
Gelignite has Flown and does FLY His Colors.
He is not above reproach but time spent on him is time wasted.

Im more concerned with the Crypto apologist, propogandist, data miners and spies here.
They turn on Gelignite and good cop, bad cop the others here, using him as the sacrifical lamb.

Effendi..
Perhaps this was a Zio moment on page 2,3 when you said:
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You punk ass Christians are way too busy sucking circumcised cock!!


'Well obviously you have no capacity to think then, if you had bothered to observe his psychosis a couple of months back, there would be no question in your mind.  I've known him for YEARS here there and everywhere, he used to be my friend until he went fucking psychotic 3 months ago and attacked me for no reason with a vengeance, accusing ME of being a punk ass jew.  Now he HAS been removed from the team of the faithful.'


When brendon took photo's of my friends off the web and photo-shopped them around with skunk styled "jew noses", that was WAY the fuck over the line of decency,  and he deserves whatever little men in white coats come his way.


Far as who Ive outed, it doesnt matter, they know who they are, ive made mental notes and will use discretion in all of my posts.
This site is well monitored by the Khazars, and this should serve as a warning to all posters.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 22, 2009, 12:30:40 PM
Otherwise, I think we have a live one.

Galegnite is the resident Devil's Advocate.  For years, here and at Liberty Forum, he argued the "official account" of the Israeli "slap on the face" to Lyndon Johnson also known as the "U.S.S. Liberty attack of June 1967, using the writings of U.S. federal judge Jay Cristol ~ a Talmudic zionist ~ as pure gospel.  Then he disappeared for a while, and now he's back with a Master's Degree in the "official account" of 9/11.

Although he's quite good at his work here, he's not one of the best that the zionists have to offer.  His role is more along the lines of provoking time-wasting contention and argument, not persuading (or dissuading) people regarding their articulation of historical realities and actual motivating beliefs of Talmudic zionists.

However, he is usually temperate in his choice of words, and mostly inoffensive to others here ~ that is, he does not engage in scathing personal attacks, and generally avoids personal attacks unless he is backed into a corner (i.e., ad hominem is not completely absent from his back of tricks).

NOLAJBS, our host, rightly in my opinion, appears to use "good manners" as a criterion for allowing (or disallowing) people to post here, not ideological or partisan positions, morality, or fidelity with truth.  Jelly probably does not actually believe what he writes here, since most of what he says is quite detached from reality and factual history, and he appears too rational to believe pure fantasy; but that is more entertaining than a matter of "bad manners."

His secondary role is to attract attention as a pro-Israeli Talmudic zionist apologist, so that more subtle "stealth" shills can insinuate flawed thinking into our discussions without being identified.  While we're looking at Jelly, someone else ~ I don't need to name names ~ can "fight" him with losing arguments that superficially sound good, and which mislead people into thinking that is sure to lose downstream (such as Ayn Rand's "objectivism").

Jelly's presence in this forum ~ his time is not cheap ~ is evidence that there is something in this forum that offers a genuine threat to the Talmudic zionist agendas.  Although he is rather ineffective for the most part, you should keep in mind that he has a common agenda that has overtaken most other discussion forums:

Divert, distort, denigrate, disrupt or destroy any
discussion of the corruption of American liberty
by the organized lobby of a foreign power

He's really harmless, except to people just coming into realization of the Talmudic zionist war on humanity, who may be confused by some of what he writes.  The bottom line is that the enemies of humanity eventually destroy themselves, and Jelly helps that process.  He certainly can do no damage to the truth or seriously impede the reality of human awakening.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 22, 2009, 12:51:47 PM
That you [gelignite] even Suggested giving the authorities Brendon's "threats" is reason enough to remove your posting privileges here in my view.

Although I don't disagree, I would point out that Jelly's suggestion was intended more to provoke this kind of reaction, and was only secondarily a "fishing expedition" to move somebody to actually send the links to the authorities.  I don't think Quo Todt actually managed to anger anyone as your postings had angered Rachel1958, so as to provoke such a backhanded treachery (i.e., like Rachel's sending your posts to the Secret Service), and I don't think Jelly actually expected anyone to take his suggestion and run with it.  However, I'm sure that Jelly knew that such a suggestion would provoke angry responses, and I'm fairly confident that this was his intention.

Another provocation, nothing more.  There's no reason to allow his provocation to succeed.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 22, 2009, 12:53:19 PM
Im more concerned with the Crypto apologist, propogandist, data miners and spies here.
They turn on Gelignite and good cop, bad cop the others here, using him as the sacrifical lamb.

Yet you still refuse to write a single name, I guess that is just asking too much huh?




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Effendi..
Perhaps this was a Zio moment on page 2,3 when you said:

Really Dude?  I mean REALLY?  Just because you count yourself a Christian does NOT dilute the fact that MANY Christians DO fall over themselves to serve the synagogue of Satan.

That statement as I have explained three times, was made in anger and probably should not have been written by me.  I don't apologize for the idea, only the crude choice of words.

It is still clearly noted that in this very post, you STILL excuse geli while suggesting that my ACCURATE observations of many Christians puts a question in your mind about where my loyalties lie.

Ego's a bitch aint it!!

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Far as who Ive outed, it doesnt matter,

Sorry man, but yea it really kind of DOES matter.  When you make statements suggesting that you have insight into members that post here that maybe some of us have been here since the beginning aren't aware of, it DOES matter.

I'm satisfied that you are paranoid enough to keep an eye out for disrupters, but I'm also concerned that you are traveling down the path of Inri, America and Brendon.   Solid hardcore warriors in the fight at one time until their personal paranoia convinced them that either you agreed with everything they wrote or you are a jew.

My falling out with them was over ET,  I FEEL like I know her well enough to state with a clear conscious that she fights the good fight, and I refuse to allow someone else s hurt feelings convince me she is anything other than she has always represented the last 6 or 7 years.

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they know who they are, ive made mental notes and will use discretion in all of my posts.
This site is well monitored by the Khazars, and this should serve as a warning to all posters.

Well, I for one am pleased that you believe you have ferreted out anyone who has mis-represented themselves, however your just saying the words would be well bolstered with some indication of your findings, otherwise, it might appear to be imagined scenario's.

Throw us a bone big dogg!!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 22, 2009, 12:56:47 PM

Another provocation, nothing more.  There's no reason to allow his provocation to succeed.


You are correct as usual WRS.   I thank you for adding your wisdom as you do.  I for one read your input with anticipation of a honest level headed review.

Thank You!!....... :D
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 22, 2009, 01:02:58 PM
Otherwise, I think we have a live one.

Galegnite is the resident Devil's Advocate.  For years, here and at Liberty Forum, he argued the "official account" of the Israeli "slap on the face" to Lyndon Johnson also known as the "U.S.S. Liberty attack of June 1967, using the writings of U.S. federal judge Jay Cristol ~ a Talmudic zionist ~ as pure gospel.

To be fair, I also relied upon the sworn testimony of the Liberty's own crew, as well as transcripts of UHF communications between the attacking Israeli pilots and their controllers. All of which supported my position.

On the other hand, I seem to recall that you yourself repeated at least one demonstrable falsehood regarding the event, the fact of which you were eventually compelled to admit.

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His role is more along the lines of provoking time-wasting contention and argument, not persuading (or dissuading) people regarding their articulation of historical realities and actual motivating beliefs of Talmudic zionists.

My "role" (if you want to call it that) is to correct the numerous falsehoods and out-out lies surrounding historical events that are being continuously repeated by some of the people on this forum.

That you would assert such activity as being "time-wasting" and provoking of "contention and argument" is hardly a surprise - you're one of the principle offenders. Along with Effendi, RRBum... a host of others.

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...[gelignite] generally avoids personal attacks unless he is backed into a corner (i.e., ad hominem is not completely absent from his back of tricks).

In truth, I have to watch my manners here. Especially as I am held by the forum administrators to a much higher standard of conduct than are most other posters, by virtue of the perception that I am a "Zionist". As such, I can by no means reciprocate the abuse and foul language that is often heaped upon me (and tacitly encouraged) by those who run this forum, else I will receive a stern admonishment to "watch it, or else".

I will admit, however, that I have, in the past, succumbed to the temptation to fling some of the abuse back into the face of my abusers, thus lowering myself to their level of discourse.

Of course, and as mentioned, there came a swift and stern admonishment from forum admin to clean up my act, else face banishment.  

I believe I am currently on some sort of "final warning" (or "double-secret probation", or somesuchother). So, you see, I have to remain on my best behavior here.

At other forums (e.g., my own YT channel, etc.), however, it's an entirely different story altogether.

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Jelly probably does not actually believe what he writes here...

I believe most everything that I write, actually.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 22, 2009, 01:29:35 PM
Another provocation, nothing more. 

BINGO!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 22, 2009, 01:30:35 PM
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I believe most everything that I write, actually.

"If I believe it, it is not a lie."
 - George Castanza, Seinfeld
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 22, 2009, 01:31:49 PM
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To be fair, I also relied upon the sworn testimony of the Liberty's own crew, as well as transcripts of UHF communications between the attacking Israeli pilots and their controllers. All of which supported my position.

The radio transcripts, released recently in Hebrew, prove the Israeli pilots ID'd the Ship as American.

Ive little hope for you Gel...as youre 'Of your Father the Devil' but do hope one day you will find Christ, who was the orignial Freedom Fighter for you and those like you, to save you from your maniacal tribe.

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Some call it Marxism `” I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin, Rabbi S. Wise, May 5, 1935).

"The Communists are against religion (Christianity), and they seek to destroy religion; yet, when we look deeper into the nature of Communism, we see that it is essential nothing else than a religion (Judaism)."
(A Program for the Jews and Humanity, Rabbi Harry Waton, p. 138).
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 22, 2009, 01:34:11 PM
For Su, Old Times and Walt!!

(http://fp.arizona.edu/SAC/emp_recognition/onourowntime/2008/hands_clapping_lg_clr.gif)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 22, 2009, 01:39:15 PM
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My "role" (if you want to call it that) is to correct the numerous falsehoods and out-out lies surrounding historical events that are being continuously repeated by some of the people on this forum.

Would you consider the recent killing spree in Gaza a genocide, a holocaust or merely just another act of self-defense? 
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 22, 2009, 01:43:24 PM
The radio transcripts, released recently in Hebrew, prove the Israeli pilots ID'd the Ship as American.

To which transcripts do you refer?

The NSA released transcripts of the helo pilots en route to the Liberty after the attack. By then, it was known that the ship was American.

According to the transcripts of communications between the attacking pilots and their controllers, however, the planes were ordered to "leave her" after they began reading English characters off the hull.

They did, of course, immediately break off the attack.

But we're getting off topic now. Perhaps this would best be continued in another thread.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 22, 2009, 01:50:50 PM
Would you consider the recent killing spree in Gaza a genocide, a holocaust or merely just another act of self-defense? 

I wouldn't consider it any of those things.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 22, 2009, 01:59:23 PM
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I wouldn't consider it any of those things.

I did not think so....  ;D 
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: dean_saor on May 22, 2009, 02:47:09 PM
Hey Liz, to that fact, there is no doubt.

I'm still not un-convinced that geli is not judge jay cristol himself.  He is at the very least a student of his.  geli uses many of the same exact arguments as cristol to justify the deaths of 34 American sailors.

It's really disgusting but yes, you are right.  He is a known provocateur, no need to argue with it.

That's been my belief, too, for some time.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 22, 2009, 03:42:31 PM

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Analyst: Israelis wanted it sunk

The transcript published by the Jerusalem Post bore scant resemblance to the one that in 1967 rolled off the teletype machine behind the sealed vault door at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, where Steve Forslund worked as an intelligence analyst for the 544th Air Reconnaissance Technical Wing, then the highest-level strategic planning office in the Air Force.

"The ground control station stated that the target was American and for the aircraft to confirm it," Forslund recalled. "The aircraft did confirm the identity of the target as American, by the American flag.

"The ground control station ordered the aircraft to attack and sink the target and ensure they left no survivors."

Forslund said he clearly recalled "the obvious frustration of the controller over the inability of the pilots to sink the target quickly and completely."
"He kept insisting the mission had to sink the target, and was frustrated with the pilots' responses that it didn't sink."

Nor, Forslund said, was he the only member of his unit to have read the transcripts. "Everybody saw these," said Forslund, now retired after 26 years in the military.

Forslund's recollections are supported by those of two other Air Force intelligence specialists, working in widely separate locations, who say they also saw the transcripts of the attacking Israeli pilots' communications.

One is James Gotcher, now an attorney in California, who was then serving with the Air Force Security Service's 6924th Security Squadron, an adjunct of the NSA, at Son Tra, Vietnam.

"It was clear that the Israeli aircraft were being vectored directly at USS Liberty," Gotcher recalled in an e-mail. "Later, around the time Liberty got off a distress call, the controllers seemed to panic and urged the aircraft to 'complete the job' and get out of there."

Six thousand miles from Omaha, on the Mediterranean island of Crete, Air Force Capt. Richard Block was commanding an intelligence wing of more than 100 analysts and cryptologists monitoring Middle Eastern communications.

The transcripts Block remembered seeing "were teletypes, way beyond Top Secret. Some of the pilots did not want to attack," Block said. "The pilots said, 'This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?'

"And ground control came back and said, 'Yes, follow orders.'"

Gotcher and Forslund agreed with Block that the Jerusalem Post transcript was not at all like what they remember reading.

"There is simply no way that [the Post transcript is] the same as what I saw," Gotcher said. "More to the point, for anyone familiar with air-to-ground [communications] procedures, that simply isn't the way pilots and controllers communicate."

Block, now a child protection caseworker in Florida, observed that "the fact that the Israeli pilots clearly identified the ship as American and asked for further instructions from ground control appears to be a missing part of that Jerusalem Post article."

Arieh O'Sullivan, the Post reporter who made the newspaper's transcript, said the Israeli Air Force tapes he listened to contained blank spaces. He said he assumed those blank spaces occurred while Israeli pilots were conducting their strafing runs and had nothing to communicate.

'But sir, it's an American ship!'

Forslund, Gotcher and Block are not alone in claiming to have read transcripts of the attack that they said left no doubt the Israelis knew they were attempting to sink a U.S. Navy ship.

Many ears were tuned to the battles being fought in and around the Sinai during the Six-Day War, including those belonging to other Arab nations with a keen interest in the outcome.

"I had a Libyan naval captain who was listening in that day," said a retired CIA officer, who spoke on condition that he not be named discussing a clandestine informant.

"He thought history would change its course," the CIA officer recalled. "Israel attacking the U.S. He was certain, listening in to the Israeli and American comms [communications], that it was deliberate."

The late Dwight Porter, the American ambassador to Lebanon during the Six-Day War, told friends and family members that he had been shown English-language transcripts of Israeli pilots talking to their controllers.

A close friend, William Chandler, the former head of the Trans-Arabian Pipe Line Co., said Porter recalled one of the pilots protesting, "But sir, it's an American ship -- I can see the flag!' To which the ground control responded, 'Never mind; hit it!'"

Porter, who asked that his recollections not be made public while he was alive because they involved classified information, also discussed the transcripts during a lunch in 2000 at the Cosmos Club in Washington with another retired American diplomat, Andrew Kilgore, the former U.S. ambassador to Qatar.

Kilgore recalled Porter saying that he "saw the telex, read it, and passed it right back" to the embassy official who had shown it to him. He quoted Porter as recalling that the transcript showed "Israel was attacking, and they know it's an American ship."

Haviland Smith, a young CIA officer stationed in Beirut during the Six-Day War, said that although he never saw the transcript, he had "heard on a number of occasions exactly the story that you just told me about what that transcript contained."

He had later been told, Smith recalled, "that ultimately all of the transcripts were deep-sixed. I was told that they were deep-sixed because the administration did not wish to embarrass the Israelis."

Perhaps the most persuasive suggestion that such transcripts existed comes from the Israelis themselves, in a pair of diplomatic cables sent by the Israeli ambassador in Washington, Avraham Harman, to Foreign Minister Abba Eban in Tel Aviv.

Five days after the Liberty attack, Harman cabled Eban that a source the Israelis code-named "Hamlet" was reporting that the Americans had "clear proof that from a certain stage the pilot discovered the identity of the ship and continued the attack anyway."

Harman repeated the warning three days later, advising Eban, who is now dead, that the White House was "very angry," and that "the reason for this is that the Americans probably have findings showing that our pilots indeed knew that the ship was American."

According to a memoir by then-CIA director Richard Helms, President Johnson's personal anger was manifest when he discovered the story of the Liberty attack on an inside page of the next day's New York Times. Johnson barked that "it should have been on the front page!"

Israeli historian Tom Segev, who mentioned the cables in his recent book "1967," said other cables showed that Harman's source for the second cable was Arthur Goldberg, then U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.

The cables, which have been declassified by the Israelis, were obtained from the Israeli State Archive and translated from Hebrew by the Tribune.

Oliver Kirby, the NSA's deputy director for operations at the time of the Liberty attack, confirmed the existence of NSA transcripts.

Asked whether he had personally read such transcripts, Kirby replied, "I sure did. I certainly did."

"They said, 'We've got him in the zero,'" Kirby recalled, "whatever that meant -- I guess the sights or something. And then one of them said, 'Can you see the flag?' They said 'Yes, it's U.S, it's U.S.' They said it several times, so there wasn't any doubt in anybody's mind that they knew it."

Kirby, now 86 and retired in Texas, said the transcripts were "something that's bothered me all my life. I'm willing to swear on a stack of Bibles that we knew they knew."

One set of transcripts apparently survived in the archives of the U.S. Army's intelligence school, then located at Ft. Holabird in Maryland.

W. Patrick Lang, a retired Army colonel who spent eight years as chief of Middle East intelligence for the Defense Intelligence Agency, said the transcripts were used as "course material" in an advanced class for intelligence officers on the clandestine interception of voice transmissions.

"The flight leader spoke to his base to report that he had the ship in view, that it was the same ship that he had been briefed on and that it was clearly marked with the U.S. flag," Lang recalled in an e-mail.

"The flight commander was reluctant," Lang said in a subsequent interview. "That was very clear. He didn't want to do this. He asked them a couple of times, 'Do you really want me to do this?' I've remembered it ever since. It was very striking. I've been harboring this memory for all these years."

Two of the recordings were made by Michael Prostinak, a Hebrew linguist aboard a U.S. Navy EC-121, a lumbering propeller-driven aircraft specially equipped to gather electronic intelligence.

But Prostinak said he was certain that more than three recordings were made that day.

"I can tell you there were more tapes than just the three on the Internet," he said. "No doubt in my mind, more than three tapes."
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Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 22, 2009, 03:58:54 PM
That's been my belief, too, for some time.

You know dean_saor, at the rate of sounding like I'm kissing ass, I really have to say how much I appreciate YOU.  From the first day I read you, you have always been the same person, always had the same name wherever you go and have always been honest and forthright in your level opinion.

I feel the same way about Sushi, Amon, WRS, Clayman, E_T, RRBum, Lonewolf, Nolajbs, Wag, Laconas and a handful of others.  You people keep the world a level playing field.

Some of these other folks like Inri, America and Brendon I like as well, I just never know if I'm on the same page or considered an enemy that day or what.

It's just nice to know one has the comfort and security of dealing with a long time known, honest force.  Thank You!!.... ;) :)

(edited to add Amon, he's the man!!)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 22, 2009, 04:19:10 PM
To be fair, I also relied upon the sworn testimony of the Liberty's own crew, as well as transcripts of UHF communications between the attacking Israeli pilots and their controllers. All of which supported my position.

Oh, please.  You relied on the "sworn testimony" that the kangaroo "Court of Inquiry" allowed to remain in the record, which was doctored before it was sent up the chain of command, and on transcripts similarly allowed into the "official" record.  You dismiss everything else on the basis that it is not part of the official record: testimony, radio transcripts, photography, dying declarations, affidavits from those who wrote what was doctored to become the official record, sworn reports of the "orders" to falsify the official record ~ everything that doesn't "support your position."

But now you've moved on, it appears, to more pressing threats.

I wrote that it had been reported that a "war trophy" of the attack on the ship was displayed in an Israeli museum.  I misidentified the trophy, which you corrected.  It's still a war trophy, not an admission of a "mistake."

I can by no means reciprocate the abuse and foul language that is often heaped upon me (and tacitly encouraged) by those who run this forum, else I will receive a stern admonishment to "watch it, or else."

It's to your advantage to have others curse you here, and you know it.  It remains an advantage as long as you don't respond in kind, and you know that, too.  That you are helped in this by being "held to a higher standard" is just frosting on the cake, and you know that, too.

I believe most everything that I write, actually.

So I've overestimated you.  You're less of a "pro" than I thought.  My bad ...
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 22, 2009, 04:24:49 PM
He is a known provocateur, no need to argue with it.

That's been my belief, too, for some time.


"Provocateur" is his cover.  His mission statement is still unknown.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: amonvanroark on May 22, 2009, 05:03:30 PM
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Obviously MOST of the posters on this site support Brendons message if not his method, yet few have anything to say to Geli for suggesting that someone provide the authorities with the questionable posts.

As far as I am concerned, Jelly is not worth the time or the effort to reply to. Any keystrokes made in reply to anything he says are simply wasted.
He must be paid for the efforts he makes here, but I think whoever is paying him wastes their money. He has not, nor it seems, will ever, bring anyone here around to his way of thinking; in actuality, the statements he commonly makes drive people away. He is a total waste of time, and is likely here just to cause distension amongst the regular posters.
Likely, just bait to get desired responses.  (http://www.proxywhore.com/invboard/style_emoticons/default/hook1.gif)
I doubt that even he, himself, believes all that he states here as facts.
But if he does, then he is beyond hope of any sort of redemption that could eventually be afforded him.

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I guess the point that surprised me the most is the free pass he seems to be given by the self proclaimed zionist hunters like Walt here.

Yes, Scott. Walt has been a busy man around here. He is always hard at it, checking under the beds, and in the closets, for his crypto jews, whoever and whatever THEY may be. Then it seems that Walt is making up little lists of those he is in the process of outing, yet no one ever seems to get outed. His lists never seem to be published, and the names seem to never be named. It seems that anyone can make his lists, just as they were able to make Brendon's list. It is easy. Do not agree with everything that Walt states as fact, WHAMMO..., you're on the list. I am sure that both yourself, and me are on the list, as if I give a flying fiddler's fuck about it.
We have known one another long enough to be comfortable in the fact that we are on the same side; that which Walt declares he is on also.

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Earlier, Walt was very vehement about exposing the deeds of the zionists amongst us yet has been very mild in his criticism of geli, going so far as to say this:

(originally posted by Walt Disney)
"Ill give you this, youre honest about who and what you are.
That alone deserves merit, as opposed to the cryptos here that operate in the shadows (I wont name names)".

He finds Jelly to be meritous, over others here.

What a goddamn joke.

And he still will not divulge any names, because if he did, he would be the laughing stock of the entire forum!
 
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 22, 2009, 05:32:12 PM
Youre one on the list..amonvanroarck
Feel better now?

Youre posts support Effnendis...... 'friends in white Lab coats coming to get Brandon'   had a little somthing to do with it, Im sure.
Its Sabbath time and youre still posting?
Shalom

 

PS
Gelignite is a self admitted Zio Jew.
We already KNOW what he will do as far as any Brandon investigation is concerned.

Its the other Cryptos, here data mining, entrapping or pulling their Zio tricks that are the real cause for concern on these and other forums- ie setting Zio honey traps,baiting and in alot of cases, Kvetching about those that bring out the Kosher side of posters here.

I welcome intelligent disagreement.
I condemn surveillance, intell gathering, Cryptos and Zio 'Jew' talk from the tribe.
You know who you are.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 22, 2009, 05:45:27 PM
Hey, Effendi,

Even though you left me off your latest list (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13040.msg113998#msg113998) : ((

I did want to thank you for being a level-headed friend.  And I admire YOU for your standing your ground and POV.

From one fire horse to another : ))
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 22, 2009, 05:49:04 PM
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We already KNOW what he wil do as far as any Brandon investigation is concerned.
Its the other Cryptos, here data mining, entrapping or pulling their Zio tricks that are the real cause for concern on these and other forums- ie setting Zio honey traps,baiting and in alot of cases, Kvetching about those that bring out the Kosher side of posters here.

You give them too much credit. The only thing they can do on a board they don't control is distrupt it with nonsense. After that they're shown the door.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 22, 2009, 06:00:05 PM
Laconas..
I have to believe they are Sayans, ready to report back anything or anyone deemed a threat
ie (Brandon types), to bee hive headquarters.

Smart, articulate, passionate, and Jew Wise are the ones they are out for, with leadership qualities.

Otherwise we agree..they disrupt, distract, smokescreen and sow discord and cohesion efforts.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: amonvanroark on May 22, 2009, 06:06:37 PM
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Youre one on the list..amonvanroarck
Feel better now?

(http://www.proxywhore.com/invboard/style_emoticons/default/ura1.gif)So I finally made a list. (http://www.proxywhore.com/invboard/style_emoticons/default/ura1.gif)

If you wish any credibility, Walt, you should pay enough attention to the posts to which you are responding to at least get the respondent's name correct.

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Youre posts supporter Effnendis friends in white Lab coats coming to get Brandon

Have you consumed a large amount of alcohol, or other narcotic substances in the last while? Just wondering.

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I welcome intelligent disagreement.
I condemn surveillance, intell gathering, Cryptos and Zio 'Jew' talk from the tribe.

But...but...you claim to be surveilling all of us over here, and you tell us you are making notes.

You are no better than your adversaries!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 22, 2009, 06:09:21 PM

Hey Amon, you're on my list as well Mister..... ;D :D ;D

Hey, Effendi,

Even though you left me off your latest list (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13040.msg113998#msg113998) : ((

....oops......Fixed!!

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I did want to thank you for being a level-headed friend.  And I admire YOU for your standing your ground and POV.

From one fire horse to another : ))

Mutual respect.   I really have appreciated carrying on conversations forum to forum with the same minds....

I had blogged on smaller boards for ten years but it was mostly friends and everyone knows everyone in real life.  LF is the site that really opened my eyes to the treachery and back stabbing among friends and acquaintances.  People being two different people and intentionally sabotaging conversations and situations.  Really weird but seemingly the norm.   Always a pleasure reading your thought out posts.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 22, 2009, 06:11:53 PM
 :-*

Thanks.

LOL!  I was just thinking about that "one" time we butted heads... you told me shut up and make you a sandwich.   :D
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 22, 2009, 06:16:17 PM
 :P :P :P :P... ;D

That sounds like something I would say.......sorry.      It was that damn donkey...lol

Enjoy the nice long weekend.  It's Gorgeous up here in Washington, hope it's nice down in California as well.

No work for 3 days.....Yippee!!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 22, 2009, 06:16:46 PM
Cheers and thank you, I'll drink (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13146.0) to that!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 22, 2009, 06:20:51 PM
I bet it is gorgeous up there.  It has been cool down here for once... should be even cooler this weekend  : ))  I am stuck showing the property this weekend.  Trying to get this upside down real estate nightmare over with asap.

Thanks!  You have a great weekend... we horses do need our R&R...  to recharge.  : ))
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: wag on May 22, 2009, 06:27:15 PM
You give them too much credit. The only thing they can do on a board they don't control is distrupt it with nonsense. After that they're shown the door.

That's right.  On LF, you really had to comb through it to find good reading material.  Here, most of it is good.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 22, 2009, 06:32:31 PM
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I have to believe they are Sayans, ready to report back anything or anyone deemed a threat
ie (Brandon types), to bee hive headquarters.

That's what they do. Their next step is investigate any possible criminal activity to have the courts and the police take care of you. Obviously Brendon is clean otherwise he would have been charged with other offenses.

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Smart, articulate, passionate, and Jew Wise are the ones they are out for, with leadership qualities.

If he appeals to teens and 20 somethings he's a threat to J-wish power and J-wish crimes. A bunch of old farts preaching to the choir on some obscure board on the net is not a threat to J-wish power.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 22, 2009, 06:48:12 PM
Analyst: Israelis wanted it sunk

Good find ~ how about a link?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 22, 2009, 06:53:54 PM
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On LF, you really had to comb through it to find good reading material.  Here, most of it is good.

I had forgotten about that until a few days ago when I started reading some posts on AWE. Endless j-w trolls.

Remember when the ADL was against the Armenian genocide and they were having town meetings? What I recall from that experience is small town papers were not controlled by J-ws, they simply don't have resources. There were a lot of interesting posts with links back to webpages. Sometimes we should forget about posting on the big and famous boards and try posting on obscure town boards that are begging to be posted on.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: OldTimes on May 22, 2009, 07:01:46 PM
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It's to your advantage to have others curse you here, and you know it.  It remains an advantage as long as you don't respond in kind, and you know that, too.  That you are helped in this by being "held to a higher standard" is just frosting on the cake, and you know that, too.

Thanks for pointing this out WRS.  I'm learning valuable lessons here, with gelignite the practice-subject.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 22, 2009, 07:09:08 PM
In a word... Mr. Napalm is a smooth operative... staying within the bounds... but knowing the right buttons to push.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 22, 2009, 07:15:38 PM
That's it - watch you back.

"Effendi..
Im not taking the bait.
"

To gel-ignite:

"Why would you want them to withdraw it? I've not violated any of the forum guidelines."

He never said he wanted you re-banned, he was trying to characterize terms for a level playing field ... and making a fairly sharp joke out of it, too.

But now you want to read it otherwise and use that interpretation to bait him over what you say he means, which is exactly the type of behavior I think should be deemed totally unwelcome ... anywhere.

Ask, don't tell.  Sheesh .... 

Have a nice day
mallard m duck
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 22, 2009, 07:23:39 PM
"Its the other Cryptos, here data mining, entrapping or pulling their Zio tricks that are the real cause for concern on these and other forums."

This is a drill, this is a drill.

(http://www.defendamerica.mil/images/photos/aug2002/pi080102a1.jpg)

No, they're not Chinese.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 22, 2009, 07:27:16 PM
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Have you consumed a large amount of alcohol, or other narcotic substances in the last while? Just wondering.

One glass of Sangria.
Without Spell check, Id flunk 6th grade English class and am too lazy to do so here.
FYI-I did my own edit prior to you posting however.. for those sticklers about spelling.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 22, 2009, 07:30:09 PM
"A bunch of old farts preaching to the choir on some obscure board on the net is not a threat to J-wish power."

Yes, and hallelujah for that!
___________________________________________________________________ 

Ref: Webster's online:

Main Entry: hal·le·lu·jah 
Pronunciation: \ˌha-lə-ˈlü-yə\
Function: interjection
Etymology: Hebrew hallĕlūyāh praise (ye) the Lord
Date: 14th century*


*[from back when people at least agreed on a name for God]
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: wag on May 22, 2009, 07:33:18 PM
I had forgotten about that until a few days ago when I started reading some posts on AWE. Endless j-w trolls.

Remember when the ADL was against the Armenian genocide and they were having town meetings? What I recall from that experience is small town papers were not controlled by J-ws, they simply don't have resources. There were a lot of interesting posts with links back to webpages. Sometimes we should forget about posting on the big and famous boards and try posting on obscure town boards that are begging to be posted on.

It couldn't hurt.  But while nobody gets paid to tell the truth, a lot get paid in the truth occupations.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 22, 2009, 07:54:11 PM
Are you really from Wooster?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 22, 2009, 07:54:41 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 22, 2009, 07:58:33 PM
I know I talk normal, but it scares me to think of all the weird accents most of the people here have.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 22, 2009, 08:32:42 PM
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Etymology: Hebrew hallĕlūyāh praise (ye) the Lord
Date: 14th century*


*[from back when people at least agreed on a name for God]


That Chinese guy was pretty sharp picking the Hebrew name for god for his search engine.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 22, 2009, 09:17:48 PM
To be fair, I also relied upon the sworn testimony of the Liberty's own crew, as well as transcripts of UHF communications between the attacking Israeli pilots and their controllers. All of which supported my position.

Oh, please.  You relied on the "sworn testimony" that the kangaroo "Court of Inquiry" allowed to remain in the record...

Uh-huh. Like William McGonagle, the ship's CO who remained on the bridge throughout the entire attack.

I suppose you think we should rather defer to someone else who was injured during the initial strafing pass and taken below decks (and who did not, nor could have eyewitnessed what transpired in the minutes afterwards).

Yes, there goes my Talmudic bias... I'd rather listen to someone who actually saw what was going on at the time (and who testified to that effect at the time), rather than someone who has a particular "recollection" of events to which he could not have actually witnessed... thirty years after the fact.

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...which was doctored before it was sent up the chain of command...

There's no evidence of this other than the nonsensical ramblings of a dottering old man who the LVA apparently "got" to thirty-some-odd years later. Of course, Liberty theorists the world over were all over that one like white on rice.

Basically, they passed some rag they hurredly stitched together under his trembling fingers, and the old coot scrawled an "X" right before he croaked.

Send the bombers to Tel Aviv.

Please.

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You dismiss everything else on the basis that it is not part of the official record: testimony, radio transcripts, photography, dying declarations, affidavits from those who wrote what was doctored to become the official record, sworn reports of the "orders" to falsify the official record ~ everything that doesn't "support your position."

Well... the fact that there's not a *shred* of evidence for any of those things outside a few rememberances told some thirty-odd years after the events doesn't help matters.

But then, who needs evidence when you have a bias to feed (as well as an ego to stroke), right, Windy?

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I wrote that it had been reported that a "war trophy" of the attack on the ship was displayed in an Israeli museum.  I misidentified the trophy, which you corrected.  It's still a war trophy, not an admission of a "mistake."

Or so you suppose.

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I can by no means reciprocate the abuse and foul language that is often heaped upon me (and tacitly encouraged) by those who run this forum, else I will receive a stern admonishment to "watch it, or else."

It's to your advantage to have others curse you here...

I don't "have" anyone do anything, Windy. Each behaves according to his own dictates. That people drop f-bombs in my direction and invite me to "die, Jew, die" is more a reflection upon them than it is upon me. By the same token, that the forum admin tolerates this abuse (and, in fact, tacitly approves) is a reflection upon it, and not upon me.

I'm not the master manipulator that you pretend. I'm just an ordinary guy sitting in an ordinary house, tapping on a keyboard to while the time. I don't "have" people behave like a horse's ass.

They do because they are.

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So I've overestimated you.  You're less of a "pro" than I thought.

I never was a "pro" at all. That was always your mistake.

It's been fun watching you speculate how I'm part of some concerted effort... that I'm some sort of agent, or getting paid, or whatever... that I take orders from up on high somewhere, and that I'm sitting in some underground office, ala an episode of "24".

Meanwhile, I'm looking out my window between posts... thinking that the grass in my backyard needs cutting.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 22, 2009, 11:24:42 PM
Send the bombers to Tel Aviv.

Please.


Can't do it, Jelly.

It's to your advantage to have others curse you here...

I don't "have" anyone do anything, Windy.


It's to your advantage that others curse you here.

I'm sure your misconstruction of what I said was unintentional, right?

I'm looking out my window between posts... thinking that the grass in my backyard needs cutting.

You're ignoring your true calling ...
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: clayman on May 22, 2009, 11:36:07 PM
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It's to your advantage that others curse you here.

I'm sure your misconstruction of what I said was unintentional, right?

(laughing)  And he's not Jewish.

Really, he's not.

*snicker*
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 23, 2009, 02:37:49 AM
"Are you really from Wooster?"

As in ... the one known for it's world-famous steak sauce, the one of choice for Boston-connected new arrival Chinese immigrants, or home of WAAF radio?

I forget myself which it is, but no, sorry, keep going other side another 42 miles.

easier to show than explain - 'somewheres' around here - looking long
from the west bank side - honest
(http://www.gotagotaxi.com/800px-Pioneer_Valley_South_From_Mt._Sugarloaf%5B1%5D.jpg)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 23, 2009, 02:46:34 AM
"I'm sure your misconstruction of what I said was unintentional, right?"

Now, brother, why use that language of sarcasm?  You know from where/whom it's come to be part of the modern lingua frank-ah. He speaks regular English.  You should avoid that sort of thing at all cost, even in the counter-game, because it's part of the opposition 'relief' formula.

I would just assume it was delivered as it was intended to be read.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: clayman on May 23, 2009, 06:28:26 AM
I would just assume it was delivered as it was intended to be read.

You underestimate jelly.  We're dealing with someone who has a PhD in pettifoggery.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 23, 2009, 08:17:10 AM
It's to your advantage to have others curse you here...

I don't "have" anyone do anything, Windy.


It's to your advantage that others curse you here.

I'm sure your misconstruction of what I said was unintentional, right?

I was just responding to what it was that you wrote, Windy.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 23, 2009, 09:08:57 AM
Sorry, I have to look it up first.

Main Entry: pet·ti·fog·ger 
Pronunciation: \ˈpe-tē-ˌfȯ-gər, -ˌfä-\
Function: noun
Etymology: probably from petty + obsolete English fogger pettifogger
Date: 1576
1 : a lawyer whose methods are petty, underhanded, or disreputable : shyster
2 : one given to quibbling over trifles
`” pet·ti·fog·ging  \-giŋ\ adjective or noun
`” pet·ti·fog·gery  \-g(ə-)rē\ noun

The petty version of a "fugger" is what I'm reading.
Right.  Got your meaning now, thanks.

fugger - as in 'mr'
(http://www.gabrieleweis.de/3-geschichtsbits/histo-surfing/4-neuzeit1/4-2-renaissance/synopsenbilder/fugger+co.jpg)

I take it there must have been pettifoggers left and right, back in 1575.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 23, 2009, 10:31:29 AM
I'm sure your misconstruction of what I said was unintentional, right?

Now, brother, why use that language of sarcasm?  You know from where/whom it's come to be part of the modern lingua frank-ah. He speaks regular English.  You should avoid that sort of thing at all cost, even in the counter-game, because it's part of the opposition 'relief' formula.

I would just assume it was delivered as it was intended to be read.


What I originally wrote was

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It's to your advantage to have others curse you here, and you know it.  It remains an advantage as long as you don't respond in kind, and you know that, too.  That you are helped in this by being "held to a higher standard" is just frosting on the cake, and you know that, too.

And Jelly replied (partially quoting):

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It's to your advantage to have others curse you here...

I don't "have" anyone do anything, Windy. Each behaves according to his own dictates. That people drop f-bombs in my direction and invite me to "die, Jew, die" is more a reflection upon them than it is upon me. By the same token, that the forum admin tolerates this abuse (and, in fact, tacitly approves) is a reflection upon it, and not upon me.

I'm not the master manipulator that you pretend. I'm just an ordinary guy sitting in an ordinary house, tapping on a keyboard to while the time. I don't "have" people behave like a horse's ass.

I used "to have" in the possessive sense, something that happened that accrued to him ~ he read it in the verbal sense, as if I were accusing him of "arranging" the cursing.  I assumed that his reading was a deliberate misconstruction.  Perhaps I was mistaken ... perhaps he did think I was suggesting that he has hasbara partners who malign him to make him look good.

Now why would he think that?

So after making my sarcastic response, that got me thinking.

We know Jelly is a hasbara propagandist, and actually quite a good one ~ he has an abundance of contentions at his fingertips, a virtual library on the U.S.S. Liberty attack (which was the Israeli's chastisement of president Johnson) and lately a virtual library on the 9/11 Truth Movement.  And Jelly is intellectually very quick ~ he did not need to spend any  time at all researching David Ray Griffin, whose comprehensive two-volume exposition of the anomalies in the surrealistic "official" account of 9/11 is certainly among the most dangerous exposures to the fifth columnists within the American government, he was instantly on top of my reference to Griffin with the full range of ad hominem attacks on Griffin's credibility.

We also know that hasbara writers are usually volunteers ~ it's a "mitzvah" (a religious "good work") to defend Israel with propaganda and apologia, denials of Israeli wrongdoing, falsification as necessary, and so on ~ and invariably dedicated and hard-working, devoted to their work.  That certainly describes Jelly and his years-long efforts to dismiss and discredit all the evidence that Israel's attack on the Liberty was calculated and deliberate.  Although Jelly denies ever identifying himself as Jewish, he certainly puts a lot of Jews to shame by his devoted and quite extensive hasbara works

But there's an anomaly here.  Hasbara is usually carried on by a team ~ a "floor party," as it were, with a speaker and an echo, usually more than one echo, some more subtle co-workers who reinforce the main speaker(s) with applause of one kind or another.  Sometimes the "echo" members attack the main speaker(s) with defected arguments that provide an opportunity for reinforcement of the main propaganda by refuting the defective contentions.

We don't see any such "echo" team members with Jelly.  He's a lone "lightning rod," drawing fire from anti-zionists, getting beat up so thoroughly that he's reduced to being merely a provocative presence in the forum.

But as I've said before,

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"Provocateur" is his cover.  His mission statement is still unknown.

And now, Jelly's "misconstruction" of "It is to your advantage to have others curse you here ..." ~ as if I was accusing him of arranging it ~ makes me wonder what we may have missed.

How many NOLAJBS members have "established their credentials" as anti-zionists by cursing Jelly?

Something to think about.  Maybe I should flag Walt Disney ... he likes to look for ringers.

I don't need to flag Jelly, he never misses anything ...
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 23, 2009, 12:25:50 PM
I used "to have" in the possessive sense, something that happened that accrued to him ~ he read it in the verbal sense, as if I were accusing him of "arranging" the cursing.  I assumed that his reading was a deliberate misconstruction.  Perhaps I was mistaken ... perhaps he did think I was suggesting that he has hasbara partners who malign him to make him look good.

I did think that you meant that. And now I see what you were really saying.

Fair enough... my mistake.

That said...

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Now why would he think that?

Well... because I know that that's what you always seem to think. If someone else had said it, then I might perhaps have read it in the possessive sense, but, having come from you, and knowing your proclivity for paranoid conspiracy theories (and your delusion that I am part of some sort of "team" who conspires to infiltrate and manipulate events within the forum, ala "Plan Daisy" or somesuchother), I naturally assumed that you meant it in the other sense.

Case in point...

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So after making my sarcastic response, that got me thinking.

This is where you usually get into trouble...

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We know Jelly is a hasbara propagandist, and actually quite a good one ~ he has an abundance of contentions at his fingertips, a virtual library on the U.S.S. Liberty attack...

I've read Cristol's book. I've skimmed the one by Ennes. Several years ago, I engaged in some usenet discussion on the subject, and, as a result, became rather well-versed. No great shakes.

In any event, I could try like hell to disabuse you of your fantastical notions, but I know that such would be an exercise in futilty. You believe what you believe. I'm sure it's quite beyond your ability to conceive that I'm just a regular guy who engages in this virtual tete-a-tete as a past-time... a hobby, if you will, right alongside online poker and chess. It's just too simple for your vast intellect to wrap itself around, isn't it? In order for it to make any sense in your reality, I would have to be a part of some concerted effort (and you would have to be the one who divined this). Because, after all, no regular person could say the things that I say in all sincerity, could they?

That's fine. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I see how your paranoid delusions afford me a tactical advantage.

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And Jelly is intellectually very quick ~ he did not need to spend any  time at all researching David Ray Griffin, whose comprehensive two-volume exposition of the anomalies in the surrealistic "official" account of 9/11 is certainly among the most dangerous exposures to the fifth columnists within the American government, he was instantly on top of my reference to Griffin with the full range of ad hominem attacks on Griffin's credibility.

People who believe in paranoid conspiracy theories usually believe in more than one, and in more than one subject area. Here's an interesting article:

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/44046/title/The_inner_worlds_of_conspiracy_believers

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[emphasis added...

A team led by psychologist Viren Swami of the University of Westminster in London identified several traits associated with subscribing to 9/11 conspiracies, at least among British citizens. These characteristics consist of backing one or more conspiracy theories unrelated to 9/11, frequently talking about 9/11 conspiracy beliefs with likeminded friends and others, taking a cynical stance toward politics, mistrusting authority, endorsing democratic practices, feeling generally suspicious toward others and displaying an inquisitive, imaginative outlook.

[...]

Goertzel says the new study provides an intriguing but partial look at the inner workings of conspiracy thinking. Such convictions critically depend on what he calls "selective skepticism." Conspiracy believers are highly doubtful about information from the government or other sources they consider suspect. But, without criticism, believers accept any source that supports their preconceived views, he says.

"Arguments advanced by conspiracy theorists tell you more about the believer than about the event," Goertzel says.

Swami's finding that 9/11 conspiracy believers frequently spoke with likeminded individuals supports the notion that "conspiracy thinkers constitute a community of believers," remarks historian Robert Goldberg of the University of Utah in Salt Lake City. Goldberg has studied various conspiracy theories in the United States.

...]

In my own experience, I've noted lots of crossover between those who believe the Israelis deliberately attacked a U.S. spy ship, and those who believe that the USG and/or Israel and/or elements of both conspired to kill 3000 Americans.

Lots of crossover. And so I started getting into those debates, as well.

And became well-versed as a result.

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But there's an anomaly here.  Hasbara is usually carried on by a team ~ a "floor party," as it were, with a speaker and an echo, usually more than one echo, some more subtle co-workers who reinforce the main speaker(s) with applause of one kind or another.

[...]

Something to think about.  Maybe I should flag Walt Disney ... he likes to look for ringers.

Why don't you just put a 1x1 pixel in your avatar, and see how many people you find with the same (or close) IP address as mine? Put it all in one, comprehensive report and make your case to the choir.

Do it for the glory.


But be sure to tell everyone that you're doing it in the interests of the forum.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: olie on May 23, 2009, 05:31:21 PM
 WRS :

How many NOLAJBS members have "established their credentials" as anti-zionists by cursing Jelly?


-  It  took  a  looooooooooooooooong  time  but  You  got  it  right .

 
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 23, 2009, 05:48:22 PM
Awesome post!  Actually a masterpiece at that.

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You're as good as Benjamin Netanyahu.  What in the world are you doing at a fringe forum like NOLAJBS?

Oh yeah, I forgot ~ provoking contention.  How silly of me ~ of course that's what you're doing ...

Come on, be a gentleman ~ at least say "Touche" ...

Hear, hear! (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13040.msg113927#msg113927)

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 23, 2009, 06:30:23 PM
I know I talk normal, but it scares me to think of all the weird accents most of the people here have.

Hey Laconas, I don't have a weird accent, only just a tiny trace, enough to make it interesting to
listen to (so I have been told.  :-))
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 23, 2009, 06:40:11 PM
(http://www.gotagotaxi.com/800px-Pioneer_Valley_South_From_Mt._Sugarloaf%5B1%5D.jpg)

NICE.... I could fall in love with that area.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Fahey on May 23, 2009, 06:46:37 PM
(http://www.gotagotaxi.com/800px-Pioneer_Valley_South_From_Mt._Sugarloaf%5B1%5D.jpg)

NICE.... I could fall in love with that area.

A lot of man-made fertilizer and tree-choppin', tho, in those parts.  I'd bet there's some school chir'ren suffering some toxic stigmata from the drainage water.  (I'm only 1/4 joking.)

Looks a whole lot too sterile and cordoned off for my tastes.  Expensive, to boot.

But I don't guess there are a whole lot of negroes; and the brown-skinned faction feel fortunate to be paid decently and live in trailers on the grounds of Massah.  So, I guess it could be worse.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 23, 2009, 08:01:27 PM
How many NOLAJBS members have "established their credentials" as anti-zionists by cursing Jelly?

-  It took a looooooooooooooooong time but  You  got  it  right


It's easy to jump to conclusions.  It's not so easy to jump back.

I learned a long time ago that what I need to know (of that nature ~ things that "don't add up") comes to me, I don't need to go looking for it.  When I'd go looking, all kinds of things would "jump up."

Sun Tzu spoke of the various types of spies ~ what makes them spies.  But he said very little about how they are deployed.

Let me see ... who, lately, has been jumping up and down and throwing fits about Jelly?

Hmmm ...
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 23, 2009, 08:03:58 PM
Awesome post!  Actually a masterpiece at that.

Luck.  Dumb luck.  I don't need to "act" dumb.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 23, 2009, 08:04:31 PM
I learned a long time ago that what I need to know (of that nature ~ things that "don't add up") comes to me, I don't need to go looking for it.  When I'd go looking, all kinds of things would "jump up."

Well said and soooo true, WRS!!!!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 23, 2009, 08:06:32 PM
A lot of man-made fertilizer and tree-choppin', tho, in those parts.  I'd bet there's some school chir'ren suffering some toxic stigmata from the drainage water.  (I'm only 1/4 joking.)

Looks a whole lot too sterile and cordoned off for my tastes.  Expensive, to boot.

But I don't guess there are a whole lot of negroes; and the brown-skinned faction feel fortunate to be paid decently and live in trailers on the grounds of Massah.  So, I guess it could be worse.

At the moment I did not think of what you said above. But you're right.

I am ready for something nice and flat. Our first place at the lake! Now we are 20 minutes away from it.

       (http://lh3.ggpht.com/_el1l503_B5A/ShjFUIG-paI/AAAAAAAAJbg/lpoKNC3JIJU/s576/img247.jpg)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 23, 2009, 08:07:12 PM
I don't need to "act" dumb.

LOL!  And I was pondering that after... but didn't comment.  Personally, I don't need to act dumb, I was thinking... 'cause I "is" dumb   :D  It is easy to play your own part.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 24, 2009, 01:39:17 AM
Re: fisile core:

You: "It's to your advantage to have others curse you here ..."

Gel-Ignite: "I don't "have" anyone do anything, ...

He demands your attention using a refernece that has nothing whatsoever to do with anything you wrote, namely using "have" as indicating possession vs that word's use in the tenses called "perfect".  He uses that pure unfreindly pretense as 'foundation' to go ahed with his attack on you.  The rest is slime, too, QED.

'Have' a nice day.

English is not perfect, so we 'have' perfect tense to indicate experience as being 'had'.  Semantics-twisting faggot is not a native English speaker, apparently, but I don't want to say anything too 'anti-semantic'.

mallard
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 24, 2009, 11:59:04 AM
Your reply regarding Griffin was too immediate to have come from consultants, it's clear that you've done your own homework on the 9/11 Truth Movement, as well.  I've always respected you for that ~ you draw on your own competence, not that of a "team."

I have my own YT channel, in which I deal with the subject of 9/11 (although I've been inactive on it lately). I visit the following site regularly:

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/

I'm a subscriber to other YT channels and visit other sites on occasion. Enough to have acquired a familiarity with the subject (and players like Griffin) rather well.

It's not that big a deal, really. 9/11 conspiracies (like USS Liberty conspiracies) are a pet subject of mine, and so I'm a little better-read than most others walking the streets.

And with that, I've made a sort of hobby (a sport, a past-time, whatever) out of dispelling what I see as false information being spread throughout the Internet. And there is a great abundance of it present on this forum. The way I see it, all my posts represent is a record of opposition to this false information within the digital archives.

There's no other underlying purpose behind my presence here.

I truly and wholeheartedly believe that everything I say is the absolute truth.

I truly and wholeheartedly believe that much to which I respond is not the truth.

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I've surmised ~ and suspect ~ that you are one of Jay Cristol's Law Clerks, or have some other professional position close to him that gives you whatever time you need for your "virtual tete-a-tete as a past-time ... a hobby, if you will, right alongside online poker and chess."  Perhaps not Cristol, but you definitely have the time for it, just as I do...

Actually, my profession has nothing whatever to do with law or government. And I don't know Jay Cristol at all, outside of having read his book on the USS Liberty incident.

These days I'm a part-time freelance employee, and so have my own odd hours in which I work to earn money. Such flexibility affords me a little more time to enjoy my various diversions.

Nothing mysterious here at all.

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You provoke ~ and that's about the extent of your "manipulation."

But I would submit that to whatever extent this occurs is incidental to my reason for being here. It is not my mission to "provoke", per se. The way I see it, my only other purpose beyond engaging in stimulating conversation is to impart truth and dispel myth regarding a few subjects of mutual interest... to challenge erroneous beliefs and falsehoods being promulgated by a few of the posters here.

That this activity provokes a response is a natural happenstance. Of course, people are likely to react to challenges of their deeply-held beliefs. But the color of their response is entirely their own responsibility, not mine.

That some people become outraged and choose to engage in practices that are not in keeping with the standards set forth by the administrators is their own choice, and something that has very little to do with me. For that matter, I have seen several posters who, despite numerous admonishments to cease their disruptive behaviour, willfully chose a path that ultimately led to their banishment. From the looks of it, Poggy is currently heading down such a road.

This is not my fault. This is not why I came here.

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But you're good.  Damn, you're good.  If I hadn't been professionally trained to take a paranoid approach to things ~ and it was hard training because I didn't have a paranoid bone in my body, it had to be beaten into my head (ultimately quite literally) ~ you'd have convinced me.

You're as good as Benjamin Netanyahu.  What in the world are you doing at a fringe forum like NOLAJBS?

Oh yeah, I forgot ~ provoking contention.  How silly of me ~ of course that's what you're doing ...

And here, once again, you attempt to position my true motives outside of the purpose for which the forum was designed. You won't come right out and say that I should be banished (in fact, you speak against concerted efforts among the membership to illicit such action), but, at the same time, you underscore the notion that my purpose here is not an honest one... that my mission is to disrupt, subvert, provoke, whathaveyou. As part of some Zionist agenda (although I fail to see where any of my stated positions on any subject are patently "Zionist" ones).

And, as you yourself admit, such suspicions are at least partially-fueled by a paranoid mindset that you've been actively cultivating over the years.

Don't you think that's a little unfair?

In any event, I hold no hope of dissuading you from your beliefs. The only thing I can do is, for the record, state my own case. As openly and as honestly as I can.

As I've said, it is to the credit of the forum admin that they are not influenced by such fantastical speculation. Well... at least not to the point of taking any action in response. And so, as long as I keep my nose clean, it seems that I will be extended the privilege of posting here.

And there's nothing anybody can do about it.

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Come on, be a gentleman ~ at least say "Touche" ...

Okay.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 24, 2009, 12:46:55 PM
(like USS Liberty conspiracies)

You'll get yours one day... Mr. Napalm.  You cold calculating POS!  Don't think for a minute, that anyone buys your act.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 24, 2009, 02:18:18 PM
You provoke ~ and that's about the extent of your "manipulation."

But I would submit that to whatever extent this occurs is incidental to my reason for being here. It is not my mission to "provoke", per se.


Your "mission" is "lightning rod."  You draw fire.  You do it very well.  Why you have taken on that role is immaterial, it serves.  All that's required of you is your presence, and you have no "need to know" about any other ramification of your presence.

Whether any of your "attackers" is genuine or simply using you as a "gateway" to establish their (false) anti-zionist credentials is not something you need to know, and I would suspect that you don't ~ such knowledge could cause you to make a mistake that would defeat that purpose.

But don't imagine that even as we speak, there are not members of this forum scouring archived threads to see who has attacked you and, as a result, become "trusted" as an anti-zionist.

I would not be surprised to see this "theory" mentioned at other forums.

you underscore the notion that my purpose here is not an honest one

Not at all ~ never.  I'm quite certain that you honestly believe in the purposes of your advocacy.

And if others are fooled into accepting a ringer as "on their side" because that ringer attacks you, that's their mistake, you haven't ~ yourself ~ led them into it.

No, Jelly, your "mission" is to be here, nothing more.  No "conspiracy" needed.  No "bad faith" necessary.

And I am definitely opposed to banishment ~ your mere presence is a testimony to the value of this forum, the threat it presents to Talmudic zionist agendas.  Your absence would suggest that we are wasting our time here (although perhaps not now that I've pointed this out).  You are a highly capable, very competent lightning rod ~ your talents are not being "wasted" by using them here, or you wouldn't be here, you'd be off fighting the hasbara war somewhere else.

NOLAJBS can form his own opinion, that's mine.

Have a nice day ...
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 24, 2009, 09:12:24 PM
Your "mission" is "lightning rod."  You draw fire.  You do it very well.  Why you have taken on that role is immaterial, it serves.  All that's required of you is your presence, and you have no "need to know" about any other ramification of your presence.

Then you're talking about something of which I am totally unaware and for which I had not anticipated. If what you're saying is true (and, personally, I think the entire notion is tinfoil), then it's a part of somebody else's plan in which I am their unwitting instrument.

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Whether any of your "attackers" is genuine or simply using you as a "gateway" to establish their (false) anti-zionist credentials is not something you need to know, and I would suspect that you don't ~ such knowledge could cause you to make a mistake that would defeat that purpose.

Once again, you're talking about somebody else's designs of which I have absolutely no knowledge whatsoever.

By the same token, and in addition to attacking me in order to earn their anti-zionist street creds, an infiltrator could just as easily buddy up with a known and "trusted" anti-zionist such as yourself, in which case HE/SHE becomes a "lightning rod" used to draw false allies.

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And if others are fooled into accepting a ringer as "on their side" because that ringer attacks you, that's their mistake, you haven't ~ yourself ~ led them into it.

But, according to what you're proposing, I'm still a part of the someone's Master Plan of Evil.

And here, once again, the continued attempt to position my presence outside of the purpose for which the forum was designed... if not in motive, then, certainly, in function.


I sure am glad you're not running this place, Windy.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 24, 2009, 11:27:03 PM
the facts are on Brendons side and hopefully he's allowed to prove it in court.

Absolutely... and may he prevail as this man did...

In December 2007, Plevris was initially found guilty of inciting racial hatred by a Greek court because of revisionist views on the Holocaust in his book "The Jews - The Whole Truth". He appealed the court ruling and on the 27th of March 2009 the court of appeals has found Plevris "not guilty".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantinos_Plevris



I just got done watching all of Brendon's videos that were pulled from youtube. 

http://www.youtube.com/user/SuppressedVids

What a good job he did.  He is handsome too... but that is beside the point.  He was well-spoken and fair until provoked by the jew who just wouldn't shut up.

I thought this very insightful of him to turn their lies into the truth at the end of a video...

It went something like this:

First they slaughtered the Ukrainian and Russian Christians and I did nothing.

Then they slaughtered the German Christians and I did nothing.

Then they slaughtered the Palestinians and I did nothing.

Then they came for me.  (Image of FEMA Camps)


Which reminds me of the following... 

"The Jews already control America through subterfuge. While they don't necessarily come at Americans with guns and bombs and bulldozers like they do to Palestinians in Israel, they are waging war in America with organized crime, drugs, the media, false religion, bribery and bullying of your elected officials (therefore controlling Congress), immigration, financing, and any other means they can come up with.  We should not be complacent - once the small resistance that is left is gone, the Jews will surely come out full bore with the same tactics they are using against the Palestinians, and those of the white race who are left will be the primary targets. Kiss your guns and your children good-bye, or get off your couch and get busy."

They did it to Russia until recently and they are in the process of consolidating and finishing touches here.



Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 25, 2009, 12:14:24 AM
Then you're talking about something of which I am totally unaware and which I had not anticipated.  If what you're saying is true (and, personally, I think the entire notion is tinfoil), then it's a part of somebody else's plan in which I am their unwitting instrument.

That's the beauty of this particular counterintelligence scheme ~ what you just said has to be assumed to be true.  Assuming you to be a knowing conspirator without affirmative evidence of complicity would be unjust.

However, you can look back in your memory and see whether you can recall anyone "hinting" at Web forums as a recreational exercise, or "encouraging" you to engage in this activity when it occurred to you as a whim.  I assume you would be interested in knowing whether you're being "played" without your knowledge ...

Agents provocateur are of several varieties, and seldom (if ever) know that they're playing that role.  I certainly didn't when the FBI was training me under the COINTELPRO program, I didn't know that was going on until years later.  I hadn't a clue that my activity was "a bit more" than left-wing revolutionary conspiracy ~ regarding which I eventually became disillusioned and quit, still in the dark about the COINTELPRO connection.  I never received my "diploma" ~ at the point where I had become disillusioned about "The Revolution" and might have become an effective "Agent In Place," and the FBI made known to me that my hard-core revolutionary mentor was one of theirs, I refused.

And survived, which is another story.

The usual rule with an "agent provocateur" is that he only is sent into a group where there is a "sleeper" agent-in-place already established.  That's not necessary, but one use of an agent provocateur is to establish the credentials of the "sleeper" who "exposes" him and gains credibility by that.

That's not you, obviously ~ no one could "expose" you, you're obviously "the opposition."  And I'm not suggesting that there are any "sleeper" agents in sensitive positions at NOLAJBS, either ~ NOLAJBS appears to be naturally paranoid, and has a hair trigger about "anomalies."

But agents provocateur are not merely used to provoke actionable criminal acts for purposes of prosecution ~ such as the current New York fiasco with those four idiots.  Agents have other uses as well.

Such as with you ~ a "lightning rod" who can be used to establish the credentials of others.  You certainly are not the variety of "agent provocateur" who provokes some damaging action, no one here would fall for that.  Nor can a "sleeper" agent raise his "trust" level by "exposing you."  But attacking you ~ which I have not done, please notice (I debunk the disinformation that you propagate) ~ is another story.

And you do not need to be aware of it.  We do.  I suspect that a review of the archives will bear fruit.

Once again, you're talking about somebody else's designs of which I have absolutely no knowledge whatsoever.

Then you should be thanking me, not denigrating my warning about the likelihood that you're being used.

By the same token, and in addition to attacking me in order to earn their anti-zionist street creds, an infiltrator could just as easily buddy up with a known and "trusted" anti-zionist such as yourself, in which case HE/SHE becomes a "lightning rod" used to draw false allies.

Of course.  But not a "lightning rod," but an "agent-in-place" or a "sleeper."  There are many varieties of "secret agents" ~ Sun Tzu discusses their motivations, but not many of their uses.

However, I am not an "anti-zionist" per se.

I am a fundamentalist muslim.  As a fundamentalist muslim, and a jurist, I hold that Jews have a right to live in the Promised Land, a right to own property in that portion of the Promised Land alloted to the Children of Israel, and a right to govern themselves according to the Law of Moses; and that these rights are conditioned on individual and collective fidelity to the Law of Moses ~ in other words, criminals as defined by the Torah lose those rights.  Wanton aggression is, of course, a criminal act according to the Torah:  God is no longer sending prophets to the Children of Israel ordering specific attacks on specific proven enemies who have attacked the Children of Israel without provocation.

I have not been called upon to adjudicate any criminal actions of the current zionist regime in Tel Aviv, or of the "Kingdom of Israel" established among the settlers and the rabbis who rule Gush Emunim, but I recognize that there are rights involved, that they enjoy, that as a muslim, I am required to honor, defend, and protect.

So I am not an "anti-zionist" insofar as zionism maintains fidelity with the Law of Moses and represents a legitimate desire of kosher-keeping Jews who remain true to the Law of Moses.  I assume there may be a few.

I'm sure you can appreciate how I am regarded by some muslims because of that stance.  Other than my peers among the scholars and jurisprudents of Islam, there are very few muslims who join me in that opinion.  I accept that there is a prima facie case for the annihilation of those rights in respect of the Tel Aviv regime, and moreso the settlers and Gush Emunim, but to my knowledge it has not been tendered for adjudication ~ and too many muslims have passed judgment a bit prematurely, in my (judicial) opinion, although I can certainly understand why and do not criticize them on that account.

I have often said that I am grateful that I do not have "the button" ~ I am not certain that I could meet the demands of justice, or would even try.  So while I am not exactly an "anti-zionist," I don't have any reluctance to participate in their struggle and do what is lawful in support of that ~ such as debunking your hasbara efforts.

I believe, firmly, that the way we are shown to effectively resist the enemies of humanity is by delivering the Good News and building human societies, and "fighting" only in direct defense.  And while I am certain that the muslims and Christians of Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, and other places are lawfully fighting in direct defense against Israeli and American aggression, our "rules of engagement" prohibit attacking non-combatants, children, the elderly, and those in religious vocations, and I cannot support such attacks.  My writings on the Web are consistent with this.

But, according to what you're proposing, I'm still a part of the someone's Master Plan of Evil.

Most people in that situation are unaware of it.  The majority are "unwitting instruments."

And here, once again, the continued attempt to position my presence outside of the purpose for which the forum was designed ... if not in motive, then, certainly, in function.

I think it would be a mistake to assume that we know all the purposes for which this forum was designed.  NOLAJBS is no dummy.

I sure am glad you're not running this place, Windy.

NOLAJBS is running it pretty much as I would.  I might be a little more demanding, but I'm much more intolerant of unmannerly "loose cannon" idiots on either side of the barricades.  And whatever you may think, I don't regard you as an idiot.  You're just an interesting opponent who occasionally offers me a challenge worth considering ~ and a superb foil for my propagation of the truth.

And that you might be someone else's pawn (or bishop, or rook ~ pun intended) is merely a factor that members of this forum should take into consideration when thinking about those who virulently and profanely attack you.  Some, assuredly, are showing genuine emotion, and despise you and everything you represent.  We usually can discern who those are.  But there are also others, and the wiser among us will regard that with considerable care.

Personally, I don't think that's any reason to banish you.

The inexperienced expose hidden enemy agents, with the result that they have to spend a lot of energy and time looking for their replacements.  We (muslims) hardly ever expose or expel spies or camouflaged agents:  we identify them and use them, and study carefully what they do in order to gain insight into their handlers' objectives.  Experienced mujahideen become their new "handlers," and they don't usually know it.

But then, half of the "informers" that deliver information to the FBI don't know they're doing it when they share gossip with a "friend" on the FBI payroll.

Counterintelligence is not new.  The FBI has been running most "revolutionary" organizations on the right and on the left for a long, long time.  And as for "muslim terrorists" in the US, Green Card holders have a definite interest in staying in America ... that they will protect however they need to do that.

I sure am glad you're not running this place, Windy.

I'll let you know when (and if) I set up a Web forum.  Beowolf (you remember Beowolf, surely?) was a moderator in the last one I had going.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 25, 2009, 10:56:19 AM
What you say is true... it is just hard for many to grasp.  However, IMHO, and as you alluded to I think... NOLAJBS would not be an area of interest nor resources at this point for such an operation.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 25, 2009, 12:16:26 PM
You provoke ~ and that's about the extent of your "manipulation."

P.S., WRS,

In my closing on this subject... just his user name in relation to his forum directive - the USS Liberty, :  "GelIgnite" is a provocation.  Mr. Napalm's mission is clear.

edited to add:

Quite a "Lightning Rod" as you so well defined it.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 25, 2009, 12:58:33 PM
Flag to Jenifer Johnson

Also, to note on another closed subject. But I don't know where else to put it but here.   I found the following statement particularly interesting and wanted to point this out.  I can't pretend to know another's true motivations or intentions, but I found this revealing.  I hope David Henry's mission (as it appears by his statement below) to hijack Jenifer away from exposing Judaism wasn't fruitful (why does he often refer to it as "Zionism"?).  Jenifer, if you read this... I don't want to get embroiled in all this, I do however want to offer you my objective view for consideration that David Henry and his mannerisms are a liability to your cause.

"I also want to mention that I consider both E_T and susigirl to be intellectual lightweights, and in case they haven't noticed, Jenifer Johnson has moved on from mere anti-Zionism. "- David Henry @ AWE
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 25, 2009, 01:18:04 PM
...just his user name in relation to his forum directive - the USS Liberty, :  "GelIgnite" is a provocation...

Actually, it's part of a song lyric...

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/You-Know-I-Couldn't-Last-lyrics-Morrissey/87A39539351B995A48256E92000FFD71

"The whispering, may hurt you, but the printed word might kill you
So don't let the blue, the blue eyes fool you
They're just gelignite, loaded and aiming right between your eyes..."

-Morrissey
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 25, 2009, 01:36:04 PM
They're just gelignite, loaded and aiming right between your eyes..."


Aw, how appropriate.    Funny, though, that your so-called hobby/interest is the USS Liberty... not music.  You have incredible "gall".  Insult to injury.  Your insincerity is showing. 

Synonyms: dynamite, gelignite, gunpowder, napalm, nitroglycerin, plastic explosive, propellant, TNT, warhead.


Rockets, Napalm, Torpedoes & Lies
Israel's Attack on the Liberty, Revisited
http://www.counterpunch.org/stclair1126.html
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 25, 2009, 01:41:58 PM
Funny, though, that your so-called hobby/interest is the USS Liberty... not music.

Well, how do you know?

How do you know that I don't visit the "Morrissey" forum with as much (if not greater regularity), posting under a different name?


You don't.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 25, 2009, 01:51:22 PM
Funny, though, that your so-called hobby/interest is the USS Liberty... not music.


Well, how do you know?

How do you know that I don't visit the "Morrissey" forum with as much (if not greater regularity), posting under a different name?


You don't.


I've been around you here and a few other forums for a few years now, which included the USS Liberty Inquiry Forum... hmmm?  I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out what your self-proclaimed hobby is... you've already said on this thread what your hobbies are.

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It's not that big a deal, really. 9/11 conspiracies (like USS Liberty conspiracies) are a pet subject of mine, and so I'm a little better-read than most others walking the streets.

And with that, I've made a sort of hobby (a sport, a past-time, whatever) out of dispelling what I see as false information being spread throughout the Internet. And there is a great abundance of it present on this forum. The way I see it, all my posts represent is a record of opposition to this false information within the digital archives.
http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13040.msg114411#msg114411



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I've read Cristol's book. I've skimmed the one by Ennes. Several years ago, I engaged in some usenet discussion on the subject, and, as a result, became rather well-versed. No great shakes.

In any event, I could try like hell to disabuse you of your fantastical notions, but I know that such would be an exercise in futilty. You believe what you believe. I'm sure it's quite beyond your ability to conceive that I'm just a regular guy who engages in this virtual tete-a-tete as a past-time... a hobby, if you will, right alongside online poker and chess.
http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13040.msg114171#msg114171



Edited to add:

Oh, while on the subject, at least at the USS Liberty Inquiry Forum you had the decency not to use that user name that you use elsewhere on the subject - I am sure the USS Liberty Survivors wouldn't have tolerated it either.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 25, 2009, 07:01:56 PM
The reason for my bringing this to your attention is that Mr. Provocateur in light of Brendon's charges is inviting Jews and instructing them that they need to log in to NOLAJBS to see Brendon's scotter bomb posts (even though Brendon was obviously kidding around since he posted it to GelIgnite and winked), in other words, potential provoking for authorities to get involved against Brendon and perhaps this forum bringing unwanted attention to this forum of such nature.

After reading the exchanges between Brendon and GelIgnite in the first post he linked below... GelIgnite actually provoked Brendon to begin with.  As I said earlier (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13040.msg113927#msg113927)... GelIgnite's mission is clear.

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Here it is:

LiveLeak.com - Outrage! ANOTHER Attack Upon Jewish Merchants Recorded On Video!

Pay especially close attention at 01:45.

Here is a link to the post wherein he makes the scooter-bomb comments, a screenshot of which can be seen at 01:45 in the video (you will need to be logged-in in order to view it):

Login1 (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=10400.msg86517#msg86517)

And here is a link to a post in which someone identifying himself as Brendon O'Connell effectively unmasks himself as the poster "change", who also made the scooter-bomb comment (once again, you will need to be logged-in):

Login2 (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=10400.msg86340#msg86340)

The following is an excerpt from the second link:

My name is Brendon O'Connell.

I live in Perth, Western Australia.

I exposed a dual national Israeli Spy and got his house searched by the Australian Federal Police.

I keep in regular contact with the State Security Unit and the AFP main office is 10 minutes walk away from where I live where I drop off video's of what I do. I have a great trust in my countries Law Enforcement no matter what they might think of me personally - which is for the record..."extremely entertaining".

My friends and family have been followed and that means a more "intense" confrontational style especially as they are on MY turf. The place I grew up, surfed and played and worked (occasionally).

I will base ball bat with EXTREME MALICE anyone who goes near my friends and family. ANYONE. I am totally unafraid, own NOTHING, remain single and TOTALLY committed to see this war through to the end. If you think what I did with that little prick was bad wait till I really get going.


FYI

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/1261000-post84.html

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 25, 2009, 07:44:07 PM
Here GelIgnite is slipping and doing what Poggy does, negatively intermingling between forums as members.

Actually, you are the one who is slipping, E_T.

Poggy once tried to do what you are now attempting.

He failed.

Here was the response to his efforts:

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=11952.msg101560#msg101560

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But more importantly, and the reason for my bringing this to your attention is that Mr. Provocateur in light of Brendon's charges is inviting Jews and instructing them that they need to log in to NOLAJBS to see Brendon's scotter bomb posts...

I'm neither "inviting" nor "instructing" anyone to do anything.

It's not my responsibility what others decide to do, in any case.

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....in other words, potential provoking for authorities to get involved against Brendon and perhaps this forum bringing unwanted attention to this forum of such nature.

"...potentual provoking..."?

What on earth are you talking about?

In any event, what I post on other forums is neither your business, nor concern.


I would kindly suggest that you drop this and return to more substantive issues related to THIS forum.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 25, 2009, 08:24:49 PM
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Actually, you are the one who is slipping, E_T.

Poggy once tried to do what you are now attempting.

Here was the response to his efforts:

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=11952.msg101560#msg101560


I'm neither "inviting" nor "instructing" anyone to do anything.

It's not my responsibility what others decide to do, in any case.


Nice try.  Your actions were noted and brought to this forum's attention.  There is a big difference between what goes on other forums and intentionally setting the stage for authority involvement or being a danger to another member (past or present) ON THIS FORUM which is what you did.
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In any event, what I post on other forums is neither your business, nor concern.

Since your actions affect this forum and I post here, that does concern me and is my business when you start making it a possible liability to post here.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 25, 2009, 08:59:45 PM
Nice try.  Your actions were noted and brought to this forum's attention.  There is a big difference between what goes on other forums and intentionally setting the stage for authority involvement or being a danger to another member (past or present) ON THIS FORUM which is what you did.

Looks to me like somebody asked for some information, and that's what was given to him. All this ON ANOTHER FORUM.

There's no danger, in any event. Even if some yahoo reported something to the Australian authorities, they have no juristiction here whatsoever, a fact of which has been pointed out by WRS, surely recognised as a wisened authority on such matters.

If there was any danger, I probably wouldn't have said anything. After all, why would I want to intentionally jeopardize this forum which has given me so much amusement over the years?

Oh, and if you'd bothered to read through the thread at all, you'd have seen that even "gelignite" surmised that Brendon's scooter-bomb post on NOLA was made "in jest".

So, you see, I'm not "setting the stage" for anyone to do anything.
 
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Since your actions affect this forum...

In fact, they don't.


So why don't you mind your own business, please.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 25, 2009, 09:06:44 PM
Looks to me like somebody asked for some information, and that's what was given to him. All this ON ANOTHER FORUM.

There's no danger, in any event. Even if some yahoo reported something to the Australian authorities, they have no juristiction here whatsoever, a fact of which has been pointed out by WRS, surely recognised as a wisened authority on such matters.

If there was any danger, I probably wouldn't have said anything. After all, why would I want to intentionally jeopardize this forum which has given me so much amusement over the years?

Oh, and if you'd bothered to read through the thread at all, you'd have seen that even "gelignite" surmised that Brendon's scooter-bomb post on NOLA was made "in jest".

So, you see, I'm not "setting the stage" for anyone to do anything.
 
In fact, they don't.


So why don't you mind your own business, please.



Who the F*ck do you think you are fooling?  Your intentions are as obvious as day.  Stop wasting my time.  You've been brought to this forum's attention, now I'm done with you!


From that thread.

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Brendon is a violent thug who probably deserves some time in striped sunlight. I don't see what's so patently "Zionist" about holding this opinion.

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Perhaps you aren't aware that I have dealt with Brendon/Quo Todt over at NOLA before (while he was assuming another handle).

And it was under this other handle that Brendon once made reference to detonating an explosive device within close proximity to Jewish citizens. Brendon even made a video of himself laughing at my response to this post (yes, he's that stupid), effectively admitting that he was indeed the author.

If someone wanted to, they could probably make the prosecutor's job VERY easy, and your dear friend could wind up facing an altogether different set of charges. Or, at the very least, he could possibly lose any negotiating currency he once had, and perhaps face even more years behind bars than he was originally anticipating.

But, I digress.

My point is that it is more than a single slap upon which my opinion is based. Brendon is a dangerous character, pure and simple.

And my guess is that he isn't laughing anymore.

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/current-events/53350-nolajbs-ditches-quotodt-but-harbours-zionist.html

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Sure, it sounds like he's speaking in jest there, and, probably, he was. But I'd say it establishes that the idea of blowing up Jews is brewing in the back of his mind somewhere, and my guess is that there are people who would like to know about this.

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/1258557-post23.html
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 25, 2009, 09:13:50 PM
You've been brought to this forum's attention...

You've done your duty. Brilliant.

Now, run along.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 25, 2009, 09:40:12 PM
In conclusion, earlier in this thread several posts were made in relation to GelIgnite's mission here, subsequently, I believe it has been "partly" demonstrated beyound a shadow of a doubt first hand.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 25, 2009, 09:43:39 PM
You are a dirty dogg geli.    Putting the information against Brendon complete with links together for the authorities and posting it up elsewhere.....you're a true douchbag, and I hope what you send around, comes back to you.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 25, 2009, 09:49:52 PM
Hi, Effendi,

Thanks for understanding what that bastard is doing.  I was beginning to think I was just barking at the moon to no avail.  He is a dirty provocateur, and I am sure that he covertly provokes then covertly reports back to the authorities behind our backs.

Also, regardless of how Brendon turned on many of us... he is still one of us - and we should support him through this ordeal of bogus charges.

edited to add:

Covertly provokes, as he provoked Brendon in that first post he linked.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 26, 2009, 01:18:45 AM
You are a dirty dogg geli.    Putting the information against Brendon complete with links together for the authorities and posting it up elsewhere...

I didn't put anything together "for the authorities".

You're being misled.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 26, 2009, 06:41:34 AM
TALMUD

'A JEW MAY USE SUBTERFUGES (lies) TO CIRCUMVENT A GENTILE.'


(For sure, my favorite talmudic teaching)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 26, 2009, 07:07:38 AM
I didn't put anything together "for the authorities".

You're being misled.

You are a LIAR

Here is the post where you make the information, including link and time stamp available to one of your buddies who says it is on it's way to the authorities.

You didn't pull the trigger, you just provide the gun, the ammo and stroke your assassin to carry out the kill.

Your betrayal is your own, I just want to make sure that my fellow warriors here are fully aware of your treachery and treason.


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Originally Posted by gelignite
Here it is:

LiveLeak.com - Outrage! ANOTHER Attack Upon Jewish Merchants Recorded On Video!

Pay especially close attention at 01:45.
why thank you! the video is on its way to relevant authorities.

as brendon says says "keep an eye out, the police must be involved"

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/current-events/53350-nolajbs-ditches-quotodt-but-harbours-zionist-9.html


Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 26, 2009, 07:20:51 AM
Here is the post where you make the information, including link and time stamp available to one of your buddies who says it is on it's way to the authorities.

[shrug] Some poster (who I don't know at all) said he'd love to see the LiveLeak video. And so I obliged him with a link.

What he does from that point is his responsibility, not mine.

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You didn't pull the trigger, you just provide the gun, the ammo and stroke your assassin to carry out the kill.

I didn't "stroke" anyone to do anything. I posted a link to a video. That's all.

All this ON ANOTHER FORUM.

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Your betrayal is your own, I just want to make sure that my fellow warriors here are fully aware of your treachery and treason.

I really think you should drop this now.

I'd hate to see you and E_T go down the same road as Poggy, valued posters that you are.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 26, 2009, 07:39:01 AM
[shrug] Some poster (who I don't know at all) said he'd love to see the LiveLeak video. And so I obliged him with a link.

You Set up and provided another zionist with the information that he then provided the police.

PLAIN AND CLEAR

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What he does from that point is his responsibility, not mine.

You are a very clear ENABLER...we all observe it and we have seen it before....

You have been caught riding dirty..,.

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I didn't "stroke" anyone to do anything. I posted a link to a video. That's all.

All this ON ANOTHER FORUM.

You have worked to betray nolajbs on another forum, that is correct.  I think that it is dangerous to allow you continued access to our database as you have shown your propensity to work with those who supply the authorities.

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I really think you should drop this now.

I'm sure you Do think that, which is why this is the time to Make sure all others on this site are aware of your treachery.

You keep pushing the envelope of decency, thinking that the patience of those with the keys is unlimited.  It is not.

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I'd hate to see you and E_T go down the same road as Poggy, valued posters that you are.

That's just not going to happen geli, your threats against Liz and I are laughable.    I have been reading your taunting of others elsewhere in regards to Nolajbs.  You managed to goad poggy into his own demise.    That won't happen with us

You think you are solid and secure enough here to threaten Liz and I but you're just not.   

Even if you are too self absorbed to realize it, you are teetering on a precipice.   Hope you have excellent balance.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 26, 2009, 07:55:59 AM
"You Set up and provided another zionist with the information that he then provided the police."

'PLAIN AND CLEAR'

Gosh ... and I thought this thread was winding down.  What do I know?

I'm all for online litigation, while you're at it ... or starting to get close, anyhow.

Go for it ... as if ... you could, and best of luck with this stellar effort, Eff!

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 26, 2009, 08:10:24 AM
You Set up...

I have "set up" nothing.

I provided another poster on another forum with some information in which he expressed an interest.

Last I checked (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=11952.msg101560#msg101560), such activity is not in violation of TOS here.

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You have worked to betray nolajbs on another forum, that is correct.

I have "betrayed" no one.

Whatever I posted on another forum, there is no danger or liability to nolajbs... not in the slightest.

In fact, it has nothing whatever to do with nolajbs.

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...your threats against Liz and I are laughable.

I have threatened no one.

I'm merely suggesting that your current actions will bear no fruit.

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You managed to goad poggy into his own demise.

You're dreaming.

The only one responsible for Poggy's demise is Poggy himself. And, if I remember correctly, it was Poggy took it upon himself to wage a campaign to get me banned, and, in spite of several admonishments to cease some innappropriate behaviour along those lines, he continued on... right over the edge of the cliff.

That was Poggy's choice, and Poggy's alone.

And, if you decide to take a similar road, then that choice will be yours, and yours alone.


I would hope that you would take the time to reconsider, that's all.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 26, 2009, 08:24:51 AM

Go for it ... as if ... you could, and best of luck with this stellar effort, Eff!


Not clear on your use of sarcasm or not so I'll answer normal..

There is no stellar effort on my part Mallard.   This geli is the same as he has always been.    I really do not care if he is here or not.  It is my thought that by allowing him continued access to our writings and our database, he poses a threat in the future, should he decide to find other authorities to turn our opinions over to.

I can only be wary of what I write and continue to warn others of his lies and deceit.

All of the people that matter to me on this forum seem well informed as to geli's position, so there really is no further work to do.

As an agent provocateur, it's geli's mission to incite hatred and violence as he thinks he can.   

He is not allowed on this forum, because anyone has any respect for any of his opinions, that ship sailed long ago.  It would seem that he is only allowed here because he seems able to walk the fine line of banishment.   

As long as the teachers and purveyors of knowledge on this site are familiar with how he operates, that is all that need be known.

As with nearly ALL zionists, it's only a matter of time before he gets rolled up.   In the meantime, it's nice to be refreshed with an in your face example of the enemy.

Carry on!!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 26, 2009, 08:38:01 AM
I have "set up" nothing.

I provided another poster on another forum with some information in which he expressed an interest.


So exactly WHO are you trying to fool with your semantics?  Everyone here is familiar enough with your method of operation.

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Last I checked (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=11952.msg101560#msg101560), such activity is not in violation of TOS here.

lol...really?  do you really take the owners and mods here to be stupid?  Even if you are within the letter of the law, you have clearly violated the spirit of the law and that is why you can't name a single trusted friend on this site. 

You are not to be trusted.  Your facts and twisted and manufactured to suit your agenda, and you hide behind grammatical errors to prove your accuracy.

Does any of this really work for you very long in the real world?

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I have "betrayed" no one.

I'm merely suggesting that your current actions will bear no fruit.

Well then you certainly should have no problem with me keeping your treachery highlighted for the faithful to remain aware of then.


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The only one responsible for Poggy's demise is Poggy himself.
That was Poggy's choice, and Poggy's alone.

I agree,  He made the poor choices and he paid the price.  Q-sara.


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And, if you decide to take a similar road, then that choice will be yours, and yours alone.

...Dude...STOP.... ;D :D :D.   The road I choose to take, is simply highlighting your constant lies and betrayal for the rest of the forum to read.  I'm pretty sure that they are all fully aware already of your position, but it's still fun to highlight your lies and deception.


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I would hope that you would take the time to reconsider, that's all.

There is nothing to reconsider.  You are a LIAR and a zionist apologist who has put the racist apatheid state above the best interest of the United States.

That makes you an enemy of myself and all other Patriotic Americans.

No man can serve two masters, and he who tries will be cut by both!!...
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 26, 2009, 08:41:57 AM
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 I really do not care if he is here or not.  It is my thought that by allowing him continued access to our writings and our database, he poses a threat in the future, should he decide to find other authorities to turn our opinions over to.

I can only be wary of what I write and continue to warn others of his lies and deceit.

All of the people that matter to me on this forum seem well informed as to geli's position, so there really is no further work to do.

As an agent provocateur, it's geli's mission to incite hatred and violence as he thinks he can.  

He is not allowed on this forum, because anyone has any respect for any of his opinions, that ship sailed long ago.  It would seem that he is only allowed here because he seems able to walk the fine line of banishment.  

As long as the teachers and purveyors of knowledge on this site are familiar with how he operates, that is all that need be known.

As with nearly ALL zionists, it's only a matter of time before he gets rolled up.   In the meantime, it's nice to be refreshed with an in your face example of the enemy.

Carry on!!

Well said, Effendi.

And just to reiterate...  No one is asking for his banishment.  But only to be aware of his tactics which he clearly demonstrated yesterday.    (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13040.msg114777#msg114777)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 26, 2009, 02:07:41 PM
Even if you are within the letter of the law, you have clearly violated the spirit of the law and that is why you can't name a single trusted friend on this site.

No, no, Effendi, that is the argument that was used to goad John Deere into banishing me from Liberty Forum.  The cabal at Liberty Forum spent a lot of effort getting John Deere to set up some "letter of the law" stuff SO THAT they could manipulate it.

I had encouraged John Deere to take whatever action he wanted to take and offer NO explanation whatsoever, just DO it.  It was HIS forum, HIS "house," and no one had any claim on any "explanation" of ANYTHING he chose to do.  He didn't listen, and the cabal manipulated him with his own "explanations."

NOLAJBS makes decisions here.  HE ALONE is responsible for making the right decisions, it is HIS effort that can fail if he makes the wrong mistake.

People who "never" make a mistake are dangerous.  You don't know what will happen when they finally DO make one.  They might fall apart completely, and everyone depending on them will suffer.  I don't place ANY reliance on someone who has never made a mistake.  Until someone has stumbled, and stumbled badly, you don't know whether they'll be able to pick themselves back up.  You don't "forgive" someone else's mistake ~ you try to limit the damage to make up for it, and watch to see whether they've learned from it.  Then, and only then, can you know their strength or weakness.  You can't "lead" them otherwise, and you're a fool to "follow" them otherwise.  "Mistakes" are critically valuable to any collective or cooperative effort.

There is no "letter of the law" here.  NOLAJBS uses his own judgment according to his own criteria, and what, specifically, he may (or may not) find terminally offensive has nothing to do with any particular "letter of the law."  He could banish ME for any reason of his own or no reason at all, and I would have NO problem with that.

In fact, he DID drop me from an interior crew of "advisors" that he set up, for what I think were mistaken reasons (I had taken an unexpected initiative in another forum), and I have NO problem with that ~ it's his call, his shop, his "jihad," and whatever HE thinks is necessary to keep him "on track" is entirely his business.  I think he dissolved the crew, and if so, that was the RIGHT THING for him to do, to preserve HIS ability to run this place according to HIS capacities and aims.  Whatever he did, it worked ~ this is still a forum that is unique on the Web, with no Talmudic zionists or their pawns, bishops or rooks in positions to cause damage or derail the forum from NOLAJBS' objectives.  He's still winning here.

People are sometimes unable to articulate exactly WHY they do this or that, and what someone offers as an "explanation" may have NO relation, in reality, to what actually moved them.  This is why we have to listen very carefully to what people say, to hear what they're ACTUALLY saying but don't even realize it ~ something that they don't even perceive in rational terms themselves.  They know "something's amiss" but can't put their finger on it exactly, and take a CORRECT action without knowing why it's correct.

You can't second-guess things like that, you have to leave it to them and hope that either they or you will understand it downstream.

Intuition ~ common sense ~ call it what you will, it's the "guidance" faculty.  It's the most powerful faculty we have.  Language, "rationality," and "figuring it out" interfere with it.  I once jumped out of a moving car for no reason at all other than that I decided I needed to.  It literally saved my life.  I don't question things that seem utterly irrational at the time, I'm an overly rational person and pay attention to things that are starkly inconsistent with any kind of rationality:  they don't happen unless there's a reason that I can't perceive.

You go with your gut all the time.  Sometimes you go a little far, and have to backtrack.  Occasionally, you make a mistake (what a shocker!).  But the only people who never make a mistake are those who don't do anything ~ we learn from mistakes.

So maybe Jelly has made a terminal mistake here, maybe not.  Is he "wrong"?  Not according to his values and aims.  We'll see whether he's misjudged the playing field ~ that is, NOLAJBS' tolerance.  NOLAJBS has certainly given him enough rope to hang himself, maybe he has.

Let it be.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 26, 2009, 03:08:15 PM
Things are getting very serious.

I agree, Laconas.

And the following is not directed at you whatsoever, but I wanted to get it out of my system.

I only hope if something like that happens here in America, and to a fellow forum member like myself for example, I would hope that people I thought were on my side politically at least, would support me and at the very least not talk sh*t about me as is being done to Brendon by some.  There is a time to put our differences aside and support each other if only just in spirit at least. 

The kid isn't being charged for his forum behaviour... he is being charged for speaking the freakin' truth!!!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: laconas on May 26, 2009, 03:26:26 PM
I agree.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: NOLAJBS on May 26, 2009, 04:25:35 PM
Last I checked (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=11952.msg101560#msg101560), such activity is not in violation of TOS here.

Thanks for pointing this thread out. This was one of Poggy's (1st?) attempt (March 03, 2009) to exercise his/her "forum dynamics"  :o. For those of you who are studying, I've moved it to the appropriate place (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=11952.0).  ;)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 26, 2009, 11:32:25 PM
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The kid isn't being charged for his forum behaviour... he is being charged for speaking the
freakin' truth!!!

I think you might be over reacting, Liz. I don't think that there is anyone on this forum, or any other
truth-forum, who would like to see Brendon punished.

The 38 year old 'kid' was banned for his erratic forum behavior here, that is true. His tirades on AWE
were despicable.

In Canada, Germany (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13201.msg114819#msg114819) and quite likely in Australia speaking the truth even in a polite manner, can be
and has been charged. Acting like a loose cannon would just be the icing on the antisemitism cake.
 
That was my point, I'm sorry that you missed it.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Rudi Jan on May 26, 2009, 11:40:02 PM
This is more in the nature of a general response to all those following this thread. It's been very interesting. I particularly like the chess analogy. No opponent, no game. Pretty straightforward perspective.

E_T and effendi are in absolutely no danger of being banned here. They are both friends of freedom. We go back too far for me to doubt either. Liz gets a little excitable but I attribute that to her Mediterranean nature of which I have some insight having been married to a woman not far from Grecian shores. Effendi has owned up to a bloodline that has long been warmed by similar climes. I take their excitability with a dose of sea salt.

In any case I have found through the years that there is little new under the sun, particularly when it comes to truth. It rises up time and time again no matter how much it gets dumped on. In the same way whatever I think I might add to the wisdom of humankind from my own paltry stash invariably someone has gone their before me. Since much of this thread and a couple of others posted in recent days have dealt with the subject of banning I will take the liberty of quoting Evelyn Beatrice Hall in an effort to elucidate one of the underlying principles of this forum hat has served as my guide in my role here. I think that it sums up things nicely.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

There seem to be two grave misconceptions that gets kicked around in these discussions time and time again - to whit: NOLAJBS has an "agenda" and by this reasoning our detractors mean to infer that when discipline is meted out it isn't because of the obvious (shitty behavior) but because they have fallen afoul of this alleged "agenda". The second misconception is that all is fair because we are rigidly adhering to the rigeur of "freedom of speech". We went around and around with this when rachel was doing what gelignite is now doing, only she wasn't quite as professional as is he, and got banned for the same reasons as did america... bad language, spamming and trolling. Once again, for the record: freedom of speech is not the same as free speech. The forum is paid for by it's founder. We honor freedom of speech but no one here has a right to FREE speech. We're all here on privilege, not by right.

btw gelignite: every time you use the term paranoid conspiracy theory you reveal your bona fides. That statement is sooooooooooo 'gubermint'. Most of us here are quite capable of doing the math on that one.


Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 27, 2009, 03:20:16 AM
I only hope if something like that happens here in America, and to a fellow forum member like myself for example, I would hope that people I thought were on my side politically at least, would support me and at the very least not talk sh*t about me as is being done to Brendon by some.  There is a time to put our differences aside and support each other if only just in spirit at least.

I'm sad to say that you can't expect that.  Not even the most firmly established, most effective, best regarded member can expect any support from "comrades" on the Web.

A long-time regular privacy and security expert and advocate at Steve Gibson's privacy and security newsgroups was sued by a scamware black-hat hacker who would infect people's machines and then sell them a collection of DOS tools with a bells-and-whistles GUI that would remove THAT trojan, virus, or worm but would not protect the machine from anything else.  PCHelp exposed the scam on his website, and the guy sued him in federal court on the other side of the country.

About twenty or thirty of us swung into action.  We mirrored PCHelp's pages about the scammer on several hundred websites all around the world and started a fund-raising campaign to help PCHelp with his legal expenses.  No sooner had we done that than a group of other members began to attack us, spreading rumors and slanderous accusations that we were "ripping off" contributors, stealing the "thousands of dollars" we were imagined to be collecting, doing what we were doing purely for illegitimate personal gains of one kind or another, and so on.  They drug poor PCHelp over the coals, accusing him of all kinds of chicanery, including complicity in our "ripoff bogus 'legal aid' scheme."

The entire forum exploded.  We collected $246, which I matched to write a $500 check that simply disappeared (I got the money to PCHelp after the dust had settled anyway), and another guy, who had offered his eCommerce credit card pages for "legitimate" donations to a formal "Legal Defense Fund" registered with a State back east, absconded with over $1000 that they collected for PCHelp.  The scamware guy, who had a long track record of fraud and other shady deals, sent his hacker crews into the forum to stir up contention.  The cacophony alarmed Steve Gibson, who shut down all discussion of PCHelp's dilemma, and the sum total of support that PCHelp got from over 10,000 technically-savvy Web privacy and Internet security gurus ~ all of whom respected PCHelp and considered him one of the best and most helpful ~ was that $246 and some mirrors of his pages about the scamware.

The people in the forum were led around by the nose into mindless contention about nothing that would have helped PCHelp, and actually helping him was pushed off the agenda for all but a handful of us.  The case was dismissed, but his legal costs ran over $50,000.  The law firm has never badgered him about paying it ~ they did more to help him than all of his web "friends" altogether.

Look at what has happened with Quo Todt.  You can count on one hand those who want to even send eMails or talk to him.  Everyone else is arguing about him and his "action" and his history, not one bit of which helps him in any way at all.

That's what you can expect.  It's the nature of the medium:  conversation, not action.  When Rachel1958 used LightningRod's account to send some of Effendi's rants to the Secret Service, falsely accusing him of threatening the President, one contact from the Secret Service shut down the forum and all the "heavies" simply disappeared for a few days, scattered like flies, and by the time any of us got back together, Effendi had already solved the problem by going down and having coffee with some Secret Service agents in their office.  I took the controversy back to Liberty Forum, where it had come from, and was treated like I was some kind of agent provocateur or enemy for that.  I was even "accused" for telling Effendi what was going on.  People were arguing over whether to even tell him.

I'm sure NOLAJBS was disappointed.  I think he had hoped to put together a team of people who would actually do things, and suspect that he thought he had started accomplishing that.  The Rachel thing blew those expectations away.  LoneWolf is the only one I know about who has actually remained steadfast as a close supporter doing things with him.

Don't imagine for a second that the people you see on the Web will join you in anything anywhere else.  It can happen, and rarely, it does happen ~ out of sight, you won't see it on the forum pages.  Cooperation between people who have different views and opinion is virtually a Jewish monopoly ~ they've spent a lot of effort setting up a "divide and conquer" mentality among other people, and they break up coalitions like we scramble eggs.  Sowing suspicion and discord is something they have down to a science, and any attempt to rally support for a comrade under attack is something they jump on in a New York Minute.  And people fall for it every time.

We have some warriors here.  And a lot of rabbits.  The enemies of humanity have "Let's you and him fight" down pat, they know how to push people's buttons.  And what scares the hell out of them is any two or three people who can get together and actually do something (besides argue) without falling out over some nonsensical difference of opinion.  As long as we're just talking, they're mostly okay with that ~ but actually doing something along the lines of what we talk about is going to draw disruption every time.

We learn by doing, not by talking.  But any "doing" that we want to do has to be invisible on the Web at least until we've done it.  "Rallying the troops" cannot be done where there are no troops ~ and on the Web, in this forum like in any other, all of the troops go off-line to do anything but talk.

My effort is information and persuasion ~ words, words, words.  I've been at it for the last sixteen hours, it's what I do every day.  When someone shows up at my door, or calls me on the phone, then I consider "doing" something more.  But you won't hear about it on the Web.

That's just the way it is.  Loose lips sink ships, the walls have ears, and all that stuff ~ nothing can be done on the Web but talk.

Don't expect more.  You'll be disappointed.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 27, 2009, 12:43:37 PM
I honestly feel like I have just now entered the twilight zone.  I don't understand your siding with GelIgnite (I hope I am just misunderstanding this) when he provoked and fed links from here to encourage the enemies to add ammo to the actions against Brendon.

It is all here.  I never asked for his banning or anyone else's for that matter, but only for forum members to see first hand what he is and what he is capable of.

Here
http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13040.msg114761#msg114761

Here
http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13040.msg114796#msg114796

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I think you might be over reacting, Liz. I don't think that there is anyone on this forum, or any other
truth-forum, who would like to see Brendon punished.

The 38 year old 'kid' was banned for his erratic forum behavior here, that is true. His tirades on AWE
were despicable.

In Canada, Germany and quite likely in Australia speaking the truth even in a polite manner, can be
and has been charged. Acting like a loose cannon would just be the icing on the antisemitism cake.
 
That was my point, I'm sorry that you missed it.

And to you Sushgirl, I honestly don't care what you think, since I don't particularly respect your wishy washy slippery insight on many matters nor feel that you are an honest person or honest intellect, but tried to at least be pleasant with you nonetheless and considered you part of the team.  Well, since this Brendon charge, I don't even consider you part of the team.  I suppose we should all just k*ss jew ass and conform to their standards like in Canada and Germany.  Give them an inch, they'll take a mile. 

Edited to add: P.S.  You are also welcomed to have the so-called "last word". (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13042.msg114899#msg114899)

Well, after this, I am sure that I am not welcome here anymore, but I spoke my mind and our minds they haven't figured out how to silence yet.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 27, 2009, 12:46:21 PM
E_T and effendi are in absolutely no danger of being banned here. They are both friends of freedom. We go back too far for me to doubt either. Liz gets a little excitable but I attribute that to her Mediterranean nature of which I have some insight having been married to a woman not far from Grecian shores. Effendi has owned up to a bloodline that has long been warmed by similar climes. I take their excitability with a dose of sea salt.


Hi, LoneWolf,

Also, interesting, I believe Effendi is a Fire Horse like me.  We are rare  : ))

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 27, 2009, 12:57:53 PM
E_T and effendi are in absolutely no danger of being banned here. They are both friends of freedom. We go back too far for me to doubt either. Liz gets a little excitable but I attribute that to her Mediterranean nature of which I have some insight having been married to a woman not far from Grecian shores. Effendi has owned up to a bloodline that has long been warmed by similar climes. I take their excitability with a dose of sea salt.

Awe.... I FEEL the love.... :D :D

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Also, interesting, I believe Effendi is a Fire Horse like me.  We are rare  : ))

That is right we are aren't we.  The year and month when we were born if I remember correctly has a unique marking.....


Anywho, back on topic,  I actually posted this elsewhere and forgive me for re-posting it here, but I was proud of the wording.


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Oh I'm sorry, you're not a Nazi...just an "anti-Zionist" who says things like Synagogue of Satan etc... Sorry, my mistake.

You really don't know do you.

Synagogue of Satan is in the Bible, and I'm not even a Christian.

In the Book of Revelations 2 and 9, it reads: `I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.` .

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Having read some of your posts it's clear that you do two things, you call people who disagree with you children and you claim that they are not happy. Well I'm happy to inform you that I am not a child, far from it, and that I am very happy and married.

That's good then, It still begs the question of why you wish unhappiness upon others?  maybe you've been married a long time huh?..


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I'm usually quite forgiving, to a fault, and am willing to see both sides of an argument. But in the case of these two idiots my patience and understanding has worn thin.

Been there, done that.  I've known both of them many years, long before they knew each other.  They have both attacked me on a very vicious scale and Brendon went so far as to take pictures of my friends and family and photoshop offensive additives to the pictures.  Yea I was pissed, there was no excuse and it took me a minute to regain my composure.  Never the less, despite my contention with the messenger, the message remains true and solid.

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I'm all for being critical of Israel and I'm appalled by their actions on a daily basis.

Fully Concur

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However I'm not a racist like the two in question.
If you really aren't, then you are an unusual man.  Life automatically makes one prejudiced.   And being that israel is a racist apartheid state, any support of that pogrom makes one a racist right?

But you said you do not support that program, so maybe you have found a way to work beyond racism.

In my opinion, these two simply don't have the ability in place to recognize who the true enemy is versus who is a friend that simply disagrees with them.  I fall into the later category, but their message is STILL CORRECT and I will not disavow the warrior for the lack of ability to discern.  Brendon is very good at getting the message out to people who need to know.

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I'm not for rounding up Jews and blaming all of the ills of the world on a group of people...like the two in question.

Well now that's two separate issues my friend.  I think proper blame should be proper placed, regardless of ones feelings.  I'm not for rounding up jews and blaming the ills of the world on them either.  Yet every time one turns around, there is a madoff or a some other jew More than happy to take responsibility for deception, lies and murder of anyone that is not their "chosen".

The jewish people as a People ARE RACIST.  That is what separates them in their own mind.   I am not going to give someone a free pass just because they were born jewish, when the participate in the disrespect of all others around them.  Should I?

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They are human garbage and uncharacteristically I have very little compassion for them.

Then we are on the same page.

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Cheer for them and lump yourself in with them all you want...

I think I pretty well clarified my level and reason of support.

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but I have no problem with Brendon facing his just deserts.

well I SERIOUSLY do.  As unsavory a fellow as some might view Brendon, he SPOKE THE TRUTH. 

He is not being charged for assault, or even for being an asshat in public.  He is being charged with inciting racial strife for SPEAKING THE TRUTH.

Yea maybe his tactics leave to be desired, but it's STILL THE TRUTH.

I have a major problem with so called holocaust deniers being imprisoned because they SPEAK THE TRUTH.   If it were NOT the truth, than just leave it alone and intelligent people would dismiss it as they understand it, but that is not the case.

These parts of history have been revised by the jew to favor their position and they have worked to criminalize any discovery of truth that might not be favorable to them.

Like Brendon or Hate him, IF you care about YOUR RIGHT to discover truth, you must support his right to speak it!!

That is all!!


Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 27, 2009, 01:04:07 PM
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That's just the way it is.  Loose lips sink ships, the walls have ears, and all that stuff ~ nothing can be done on the Web but talk.

Don't expect more.  You'll be disappointed.

The internet is what woke me up.  If it weren't for the internet and the free flow of suppressed knowledge and my desire for facts, I would still be asleep.  If everyone remained silent... I would not have learned a damn thing.

Much change has happened due to the internet... I will toot my horn here as an example.

To make a long story short:  I was an advocate for the construction of a WWII Memorial for our Veterans.  By using Congress.org before I was blocked from displaying letters to leaders there.  I would demand that our Congress see fit to build the survivors one.  And asked over and over again, how they can see fit to fund a holocaust memorial museum...  yet deny our veterans a memorial for so long.  Then other readers would join in and demand it as well... well soon after, it was finally built.  Did I have something to do with it?  I would like to think so at least.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 27, 2009, 01:58:55 PM
Hi Liz,

I could give Brandon the argument that would win his case, but he would have to break through the collectivist paradigm, that he is trying to defend.  Christianity is only another side of the collectivist paradigm. NO one can fight collectivism with more collectivism, because in the collectivist paradigm, the group with the least perceived value has the moral authority. The Jew„¢ has worked to long and hard on their victim status for anyone to win.

I have offered Brandon a defence, but he has declined because he is too deep in his own collectivism.  Change can only occur when everyone changes the way they look at things. Collectivism is nothing more than criminally, used to justify their own criminally insane mentality.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 27, 2009, 03:01:28 PM
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Change can only occur when everyone changes the way they look at things.

You mean collectively?
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Collectivism is nothing more than criminally, used to justify their own criminally insane mentality
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Brandon is not insane, nor is he a criminal.  Of course, the Truth is no defense, as proven in Germany and soon throughout the World.
Not sure what makes you think he is..?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 27, 2009, 03:01:37 PM
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That is right we are aren't we.  The year and month when we were born if I remember correctly has a unique marking.....

Yes, it only happens every sixty years... the year of the fire horse.


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Anywho, back on topic,  I actually posted this elsewhere and forgive me for re-posting it here, but I was proud of the wording.

Yes, Effendi, that is what I love so much about you.  That is how IMO it should be delivered... countered back with the truth and logic.   And when push comes to shove, setting aside our differences and supporting each other.  That is effective.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 27, 2009, 03:15:45 PM
Jenifer,

When collectivism is used as an institution and convenient control instrument, I agree.  But I also believe as I have said before.

Individuals operate on different levels for survival.  Example, individuals, family, groups, etc.  The problem also is, when we operate as groups, organizations, etc, we are easy targets for infiltration by opposition, thus, I like the concept of leaderless resistance.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: GovernmentMule on May 27, 2009, 03:45:13 PM
Im not surprised in the least about this. I said ages ago the bloke was either a fool, or a jew inciter of fools, seems he was the bona-fide fool. You cant go round playing kid games with the jews and the powers that be, it's all very well on a forum, but not in real life. he maybe realises that now.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 27, 2009, 04:31:01 PM

You mean collectively?
No, individually.  No matter how much I want you to understand, I can not do your thinking for you. Change has to come from within to be legitimate.

Brandon is not insane, nor is he a criminal.  Not sure what makes you think he is..?

He is because he advocates collectivism (Christianity).    On a individual basis, rape is all about controlling someone's free agency. On a collective basis, collectivism is all about using the collective power in order to  control the individual. Those that advocate collectivism are nothing more than a gang rapist. The last one to consider themselves a criminal, is the criminal.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 27, 2009, 04:38:13 PM
The internet is what woke me up.  If it weren't for the internet and the free flow of suppressed knowledge and my desire for facts, I would still be asleep.  If everyone remained silent ... I would not have learned a damn thing.

This is what the internet provides that wasn't available before ~ your words: "the free flow of suppressed knowledge."  To illustrate:

America has "freedom of the press" ~ if you own a press.  But why does America have "freedom of the press"?  Because the government is forbidden to make any law "restricting" the freedom of the press.  No one else is prevented from restricting "freedom of the press," and those who want to suppress information are free to do that however they can except by using the government to do it.

For example, those who make printing presses (or broadcasting stations) can set their prices wherever they want, and sell them (or not) to whoever they want, restricting who can own a press.  Small presses with limited capacities (printing, e.g, on 17x22 sheets of paper) are easy ~ the "web" presses, that print newspapers on huge rolls of newsprint, fill up entire buildings and have huge power requirements.

But those who want to suppress information use the government to do it anyway.

The government "restricts" use of the air waves ~ you have to have a federal license before you can broadcast radio and television signals.  Even "Citizen's Band" radios ~ that broadcast with a limited range, on a narrow range of frequencies ~ require a license, and although it's effectively "granted" with the purchase of a CB radio, it can be ~ and has been ~ revoked or suspended for particular individuals, who then cannot use even a CB radio without invoking criminal penalties.  But this is not considered "restricting" the "freedom of the press."   So in order to exercise your "freedom of the press" in broadcast radio or television ~ of any kind ~ you have to (1) own broadcasting facilities, and (2) get a license.  Licenses for broadcasting stations with any significant "reach" (able to broadcast beyond a ten-mile radius) carry all kinds of restrictions, and "assigned frequencies" are assigned to licensees on the basis of numerous "agreements" as to how those frequencies will be used.

So although we have "freedom of the press," in actuality only those who own a printing press, printing on paper, actually have it.  Have you priced printing presses lately?

The Internet has given all of us "freedom of the press."  And many people ~ not just Talmudic zionists ~ are working hard to restrict it.

But that's what the Internet is ~ it doesn't change the tendencies of people who read, and it doesn't reach anyone else.  The same people who read newspapers and newsletters and now listen to the radio or watch television react to what they read (or watch) on the Web the same way they react to any other information media.  It may make them think, it might make them go looking for more information, it may even get them out of their houses ~ but it has no more potential for doing any of that than radio and television have.

Web denizens are the same people who went to Washington DC after the Kent State Massacre in 1970 and thought they'd stopped the Vietnam War, which went on for another five or six years that they all watched on television.

Much change has happened due to the internet ... I will toot my horn here as an example.

To make a long story short:  I was an advocate for the construction of a WWII Memorial for our Veterans.  By using Congress.org before I was blocked from displaying letters to leaders there.  I would demand that our Congress see fit to build the survivors one.  And asked over and over again, how they can see fit to fund a holocaust memorial museum ...  yet deny our veterans a memorial for so long.  Then other readers would join in and demand it as well ... well soon after, it was finally built.  Did I have something to do with it?  I would like to think so at least.


The Web, yes, can be used to inspire people to do things ~ the same things that they would do were they to be inspired by the print or broadcast media.

But at least in America, standing up for what you believe in, or supporting someone who is doing that, and risking being attacked for it by "them" (whoever "they" might be), is rare.  "Freedom of speech" is a safety valve and an "early warning system" for the powers-that-be.  People talk about what they imagine doing, instead of doing it ~ and some of those who actually might do something announce it in advance.

And then ~ for example ~ some of the enemies of humanity come to NOLAJBS and attack Jelly viciously, or "expose" crypto-zionists with a scattergun, so they can listen to what people are saying with their "freedom of speech," identify, if they can, those who might actually do what they talk about, make friends with them, and defeat them should they actually act.

In addition to being the first real "freedom of the press," the Web is the greatest intelligence/counterintelligence tool ever devised.  It's a spy on every desktop and laptop, and now on most cell phones.  It is not possible to be "anonymous" on the Web.  It's a physical impossibility except with a wireless connection, and a virtual impossibility even with wireless connections.

Read the Fourth Amendment, the first part:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated; ..."

What you send out of your house on the Web is not "papers," which would be protected (like snail mail); and although a telephone call is considered an "effect," a Web communication has not been "decided" by the Supreme Court to be an "effect."  It's not "protected" by this Amendment, and whether "searching" something placed on a public medium is "reasonable" or not is entirely up to the "discretion" of America's domestic spying agencies, the FBI and every police department, sheriff's office, and State police agency in the country.  The criterion for whether something is "protected" under this Amendment is whether the individual has a "reasonable expectation of privacy."  No "expectation of privacy" on the Web is reasonable, nothing that goes through Web routers, switches and hubs is hidden or protected from anyone who has the technical means to look at it.

It may be that some readers have done something to "support" Quo Todt ~ that wouldn't surprise me at all.  But you're not going to read much about it on the Web.  Trying to rally support for him on the Web is a fool's errand, in my opinion ~ those who might support him don't need to be "rallied," and those who won't support him can't be.

The people who inhabit the Web are the same people who didn't do anything to stop the Vietnam War even after Nixon murdered four students at Kent State and six students at Jackson State trying to provoke a "long hot summer" leading up to the 1970 off-year elections.  They went to Washington and to every State capitol that weekend for the largest "demonstrations" ever seen in America before or since, and then went back to their couches and did virtually nothing after that.

The Web gives you a megaphone, a loudspeaker, a broadcasting medium.  It's no more effective in moving people than any other.  You shouldn't expect it to be.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 27, 2009, 04:43:56 PM
Hi Liz,

Everything in life is centered around control. One's success in life is contingent on how well one achieves the ability of self control and controlling one's own domain.

Individualism is where the control goes from the individual to the group for the benefit of the individual. One has to give up their consent in order to be controlled, therefore the control is legitimate.

Collectivism is where the control goes from the group to the individual for the benefit of the group, where the collective power overrides one's consent, which is illegitimate control.

The difference between rape and making love, is consent. A collectivist is nothing more than a control freak advocating gang rape.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 27, 2009, 05:05:25 PM
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In addition to being the first real "freedom of the press," the Web is the greatest intelligence/counterintelligence tool ever devised.  It's a spy on every desktop and laptop, and now on most cell phones.  It is not possible to be "anonymous" on the Web.  It's a physical impossibility except with a wireless connection, and a virtual impossibility even with wireless connections.

Absolutely.  This is out of our control yet we must continue the best we can.  And believe me, there are those within Intel and Law Enforcement that are on our side.

  Again, because of the internet, many others beside myself have awoken to a whole new world of suppressed knowledge.  And the grip is tightening to suppress it.   To stop the armies that operate by night, the free flow of information and public awareness is essential (which JFK even alluded to) even with the bugs in it.  And with this tool we all deliver it in our own ways and styles (as Laconas pointed out).  If we become frightened by such things, criticize and police our own, we fail, that is what they want.

Since 9/11, the dam broke on silence and the criminality unmasked... and we shouldn't be intimidated to shut up and bow to what they did to Brendon just because his methods do not conform to yours, but to expose their laws of intimidation and oppose it and not bow down to jewish pressures.


In hindsight, witnesses to the Bolshevik Revolution noted had they done something, anything other than succumb, the Bolsheviks wouldn't have eventually been able to regroup and prevail.  Actual historical events are informative to study and learn from.  Even Katrina.

edited to fix a typo
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 27, 2009, 05:09:20 PM
A parent/child relationship (a family) is legitimate because until a child can take responsibility for their actions,  they can't accept the control.  With control comes responsibility and with responsibility comes control, which is why adulthood, is the only legitimate form of governance.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: wag on May 27, 2009, 05:14:39 PM
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The difference between rape and making love, is consent. A collectivist is nothing more than a control freak advocating gang rape.

It's not always about rape.  Are the Amish being raped by themselves by sacrificing their individualism for their common benefit? 

Look at most tribes (or nations).  The minute they strive for individualism is the minute they let a horde of jews rush through the front door.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 27, 2009, 05:15:59 PM
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He is because he advocates collectivism (Christianity).    On a individual basis, rape is all about controlling someone's free agency. On a collective basis, collectivism is all about using the collective power in order to  control the individual. Those that advocate collectivism are nothing more than a gang rapist. The last one to consider themselves a criminal, is the criminal.


I couldnt disagree with you more.

It WAS Collectivism that worked for 1600 years.
It Kept the Jew locked in caged Ghetto.
Simply putting the TALMUD on Display damns their entire religion and everything they stand for.

Jennifer, I cant make you see,  but a blind person can figure this out with one read.


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Those that advocate collectivism are nothing more than a gang rapist
This post smells on insanity..
Advocating Christianity, Gods tenants, Christs' Teachings, and denouncing the JWO, The FED and all it stands for...is freedom from the chains that bind us.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 27, 2009, 05:17:27 PM
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Hi Liz,

Everything in life is centered around control. One's success in life is contingent on how well one achieves the ability of self control and controlling one's own domain.

Individualism is where the control goes from the individual to the group for the benefit of the individual. One has to give up their consent in order to be controlled, therefore the control is legitimate.

Collectivism is where the control goes from the group to the individual for the benefit of the group, where the collective power overrides one's consent, which is illegitimate control.

The difference between rape and making love, is consent. A collectivist is nothing more than a control freak advocating gang rape.

Beautifully illustrated, Jenifer.  That magic word... "Consent".
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 27, 2009, 05:24:48 PM
Its Ironic that Brandon has the Balls to stand up and spit back in the face of the Jew, and gets blasted by some here claiming to be 'anti zionists'
Many here are Kosher Shills..You know who you are.

The 'Collectivism' that Jennifer errantly speaks against, will actually save us, if enacted.
It wil le in the form of Constitutionalists, and Constitutionalism if such a word exists.
Following it and the Founding Fathers will divorce ourselves from the slavery that controls us..Jewry.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 27, 2009, 05:32:19 PM
Its Ironic that Brandon has the Balls to stand up and spit back in the face of the Jew, and gets blasted by some here claiming to be 'anti zionists'

I totally agree.  I guess you haven't read any of my recent posts here (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=102;sa=showPosts) since this incident. 
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 27, 2009, 05:32:48 PM
It's not always about rape.  Are the Amish being raped by themselves by sacrificing their individualism for their common benefit? 

Like Liz said, the magic word is consent.  But beside that fact, all forms of collectivism by their nature create a barrier to the truth, so to be controlled by a group's objectives, one is robbing their own salvation.  If the objective is the pursuit of truth, collectivism can only create a barrier to the truth.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 27, 2009, 05:43:44 PM
The 'Collectivism' that Jennifer errantly speaks against, will actually save us, if enacted.


Judaism is only the most extreme form of collectivism, as in the idea that one is born in to the group and can never escape.  Pure slavery. Only individualism, adulthood, is the absence of slavery.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 27, 2009, 06:07:46 PM
I am going to have to say, Wag, that is why the jews fear unity and nationalism, an instrument that they themselves use against us.  That is also why diversity and mass immigration had served them so well.  Nationalism in Germany put them in their place until they used other countries via their stranglehold to destroy Germany and kill the truth and fabricate lies to their advantage.  And as you know, I've said many times, Unity, unity, unity (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=11921.msg114649#msg114649), as long as it can't be compromised and infiltrated by them... thus, leaderless resistance : ))

Interesting dilemmas.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: wag on May 27, 2009, 06:08:20 PM
Like Liz said, the magic word is consent.  But beside that fact, all forms of collectivism by their nature create a barrier to the truth, so to be controlled by a group's objectives, one is robbing their own salvation.  If the objective is the pursuit of truth, collectivism can only create a barrier to the truth.

Truth comes in many sizes.  The biggest metaphysical truth is that no "truth" can be ultimately proven.  We make truth real only when it serves a good purpose for us.  When somebody comes along and gives us a "truth" that does not ultimately serve us, we deny it.  Truth is an expedient.  What's really real is whether something serves us or not.  It's no secret that collectivism would serve us better than individualism at this juncture.  After all, let's not forget that the jews' whole game is divide and conquer.   
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 27, 2009, 06:18:37 PM
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After all, let's not forget that the jews' whole game is divide and conquer.   

Bingo.  Now imagine if in the Middle East the Arabs United (I include Pakistan, Afghanistan, and even Iran too although Persians) and stopped allowing themselves to be divided by outside covert instigating... The jews wouldn't stand a chance in their agendas.

Perhaps this will come to light and spread.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: wag on May 27, 2009, 06:19:54 PM
I am going to have to say, Wag, that is why the jews fear unity and nationalism, an instrument that they themselves use against us.  That is also why diversity and mass immigration had served them so well.  Nationalism in Germany put them in their place until they used other countries via their stranglehold to destroy Germany and kill the truth and fabricate lies to their advantage.  And as you know, I've said many times, Unity, unity, unity (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=11921.msg114649#msg114649), as long as it can't be compromised and infiltrated by them... thus, leaderless resistance : ))

Interesting dilemmas.

Dilemmas drive us toward simplicity.  Ultimately, we are part of a family unit, not an individual.  In the family concept, the individual is selfish.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 27, 2009, 06:21:20 PM
Interesting dilemmas.

Collectivism is institutionalized control.

Forced association or forced segregation comes from the same control freak mentality and are both illigitimate.  Forced assimilation/acceptance is even more repugnant than forced segregation/rejection, because it is the forced acceptance of the lowest common denominator.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 27, 2009, 06:23:42 PM
Well, Wag,

I am big on individualism as you know, but recognize a time and place for family, groups, etc. especially for survival.  And that is with my consent.

I am also big on simplicity, another key word for me is "balance"  : ))
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 27, 2009, 06:26:04 PM
Ultimately, we are part of a family unit, not an individual. 


All you are or will ever be, is an individual.  Unless you are crazy enough to talk to that mouse in your pocket.

Outside the parent/child relationship, it becomes a master/slaver relationship, criminality. That is why adulthood is the only legitimate form of governance.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: wag on May 27, 2009, 06:29:19 PM
Collectivism is institutionalized control.

Forced association or forced segregation comes from the same control freak mentality and are both illigitimate.  Forced assimilation/acceptance is even more repugnant than forced segregation/rejection, because it is the forced acceptance of the lowest common denominator.

But willful collectivism is the most beautiful, soulful thing in the universe. 
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 27, 2009, 06:31:08 PM
Liz, religion claims that the husband is the head of the house, and the woman has to submit to their righteous dominion.    


A marriage should be by consent only, not by a master/slaver relationship.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: wag on May 27, 2009, 06:32:57 PM
Bingo.  Now imagine if in the Middle East the Arabs United (I include Pakistan, Afghanistan, and even Iran too although Persians) and stopped allowing themselves to be divided by outside covert instigating... The jews wouldn't stand a chance in their agendas.

Perhaps this will come to light and spread.

But like us, they are infiltrated by cryptos.  That makes it difficult for most folk to understand what's what.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 27, 2009, 06:33:53 PM
But willful collectivism is the most beautiful, soulful thing in the universe. 

Not if you are a truth seeker. All forms of collectivism, by their nature, create a barrier to the truth, so to be controlled by a group's objectives, one is robbing their own salvation.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: wag on May 27, 2009, 06:35:13 PM
All you are or will ever be, is an individual.  Unless you are crazy enough to talk to that mouse in your pocket.

Outside the parent/child relationship, it becomes a master/slaver relationship, criminality. That is why adulthood is the only legitimate form of governance.

I wish you love.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 27, 2009, 06:36:29 PM
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Collectivism is institutionalized control.

You Choose.
JWO...Atheism, Modernism, Secularism = Chaos.
Spiritual and Moral Decay soon follow.

Collectivism ie Traditional Catholicism and/or Orthodoxy=Order
It worked and 1600 years.
It was the only mechanism to Keep Jews Locked in caged Ghettos. It kept order in the world and Unity.

Masonic ideal of Jew inspired Protestant theme of 'Liberty/Equality/fraternity such as what came out of the French Revolution, led to the  Jews release and world turing upside down.
Your theory  is Bullshit.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 27, 2009, 06:37:27 PM
I wish you love.

The most fulfilling love, is the knowledge that one is there because they want to be not because they have to be.  It is the difference between individualism and collectivism.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 27, 2009, 06:39:18 PM
when we operate as groups, organizations, etc, we are easy targets for infiltration by opposition

When we operate as public groups this is true.  Dealing with this is called "counterintelligence," which is a necessary element of any kind of cooperative effort by an organized group.

Rule of thumb:  when you have organized five people to accomplish something, at least two of the next five are likely to be infiltrators from those who don't want you to accomplish it.

You only have to identify which they are to make them harmless and unable to sabotage your efforts.  There is no way to prevent them ~ or their replacements ~ from attempting to join you.  This is one of the reasons that effective organizations have at least two levels of "membership."  Usually there are at least three:  known to be loyal and reliable, known to be reliable, and unknown.  The second level, "reliable," is the most likely place to find infiltrators, but most certainly not the only place ~ "hanger on" is an effective "cover" for a sleeper, who might hear or see something that is accidentally or unknowingly disclosed by mistake.

The one thing you can count on is that if you have any chance of succeeding, there are enemies watching you.  The mere ability to initiate and keep together a collective effort is regarded as threatening.  A political organization that can restrain the actions of its members is even more threatening ~ anyone can fire up a mob, few can keep a mob from taking action for ill-considered reasons, provoked by an agent provocateur.  And where there is any chance of success, there will almost always be those who "jump on the bandwagon" ~ "friends" who can be more damaging than enemies.

Prison wardens virtually all say "If you see three convicts standing together in the yard, at least one of them is mine."

FBI agents have to recruit two "confidential informants" (meaning he puts them on a payroll and they are able to keep themselves "covered") during each of their first seven years as a Special Agent.  After that, they have to recruit seven each year.  So someone who has been an FBI agent for fifteen years has seventy domestic spies on his payroll, most of them "locked in" by the possibility of going to prison or being killed.

The DEA, BATF, Treasury Department, and all State Police agencies do similar things.  The NSA spies on Canadian communications, and the Canadian authorities spy on American communications, and then trade information.  The CIA installs governments.  The Israelis have agents within every other intelligence organ in the world, and runs half of them ~ America's directly from within, like the FBI, initially from the Justice Department's "Office of Special Investigations" and later within probably half of the FBI's field offices; and by "intelligence" tailored to do such things as bombing the innocent aspirin factory (they provided doctored "soil samples").

Intelligence professionals joke that half of the world's population is spying on the other half, and it goes both ways.

Christian congregations are incredibly easy to infiltrate.  Sun Myung Moon ("True Father" of the Moonies) had a "Reverend Kwak" who ran his "missionary" department ~ sending secret Moonies to infiltrate Christian churches and muslim mosques.  One of his spies got himself elected as the "amir" ("leader") of the muslim mosque at Portland State University in the late Seventies ~ his Moonie "required diaries" are on my evidence shelf.  There is no way of knowing how many "Christian elders" are secret Moonies.  Kwak has probably retired by now.

There is also no way of knowing how many Christian ministers are actually Noahides, working for the Talmudic zionists.  "Friendly rabbis" wait for local Christian ministers to suffer a "crisis of faith" and then introduce them to the Noahide "Jesus" ~ see http://www.muslimamerica.net/aj/yeshu.htm to see how those ministers are recruited.  The Noahide "Jesus" is, of course, entirely Paul's creation.

Any muslim immigrant who has ever had a "Green Card" is just as likely to be an FBI "confidential informant" within the mosques.  Once they become "good citizens" and "willing to help stop terrorists," they're not allowed to quit or decline to provide other information, on threat of exposure (or worse).

It's almost impossible to infiltrate a collegiate Greek letter society, whether a fraternity or a sorority, and impossible to remain undetected.  The same applies to most other elements of The Lodge, although some welcome "infiltrators," who are soon turned into loyal members.  They don't find out what they went there to learn, but they no longer want to anyway.

Businesses suffer from "industrial espionage" all the time.

The bottom line is that "organization" ~ of any kind ~ attracts the attention of other organized collective efforts of similar or related purposes, and more often than not attract "infiltrators" ~ whether to frustrate or sabotage the aims of the organized group, or to learn any innovative approaches to succeeding in their goals that may help the infiltrator's organization, or just to keep track of what they're doing, the infiltrators will come.

John Deere didn't believe that "rule of thumb" applied to Liberty Forum.  He refused to believe that the enemies of liberty had infiltrated Liberty Forum and formed a cabal within his Administrative collective.  Of course, John Deere's "Anarcho-Capitalist Libertarianism" is completely antithetical to the establishment or preservation of universal liberty, so Liberty Forum was doomed before it was opened anyway.  But it was his understanding of his brand of "Libertarianism" that led him to refuse to even consider the possibility of any infiltration of the cabal of the enemies of humanity who sabotaged his forum.

NOLAJBS is not so blind.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: wag on May 27, 2009, 06:40:40 PM
Not if you are a truth seeker. All forms of collectivism, by their nature, create a barrier to the truth, so to be controlled by a group's objectives, one is robbing their own salvation.

God gives salvation.  Truth give you an argument.   
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: wag on May 27, 2009, 06:43:35 PM
The most fulfilling love, is the knowledge that one is there because they want to be not because they have to be.  It is the difference between individualism and collectivism.

Love is not a knowledge, it is a feeling of belonging.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 27, 2009, 06:44:58 PM
Walt Disney ,

The balancing mechanism that establishes justice for all, is individual freedom and responsibility.

Individual freedom without individual responsibility is Anarchism - survival of the fittest or Chaos- Childhood.
Individual freedom with individual responsibility is individualism - means peace and tranquility to all - Adulthood.
Group control (collectivism) with individual responsibility is organized religion - goodness is the selling point to give up your individual freedom - Example : Christianity.  
Group control (collectivism) without individual responsibility is a socialistic dictatorial government - security is the selling point-
Example : Judaism.

Extremism is on both ends, only individualism is moderation and morally right.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 27, 2009, 06:47:49 PM
Love is not a knowledge, it is a feeling of belonging.

Do you love your woman if you have knowledge she is fucking some other man?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 27, 2009, 06:56:38 PM
God gives salvation.  Truth give you an argument.   

Truth is God.

Your sock puppet can't give you anything more than a criminally insane mentality. The very act of claiming god said, without proof, makes you criminally insane.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: wag on May 27, 2009, 07:01:55 PM
Truth is God. Your sock puppet can't give you an insane mentality. The very act of claiming god said, without proof, makes you criminally insane.

Please forgive me for resting my case at this point.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 27, 2009, 07:05:27 PM
Please forgive me for resting my case at this point.


You have to rest your case, because without proof that God is anything more than the state of being true, makes you a liar.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: wag on May 27, 2009, 07:21:22 PM

God is ... the state of being true...

I'll concede the point.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 27, 2009, 07:43:31 PM
Very, very informative post.

To me, the bottom line of it...

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The one thing you can count on is that if you have any chance of succeeding, there are enemies watching you. 
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 27, 2009, 07:47:01 PM
Wag,

The whole point of "God said" is to try and justify illegitimate dominion over another.  Perpetrating a fraud.

The Laws of God are the Laws of Nature, objectively established. 100% of what you can and can not do are dictated by the Laws of Nature.  Not by some bible thumping head banger's subjective reality, which makes him criminally insane.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 27, 2009, 07:54:11 PM
we shouldn't be intimidated to shut up and bow to what they did to Brendon just because his methods do not conform to yours, but [should] expose their laws of intimidation and oppose it and not bow down to jewish pressures.

Right.  But I'm not going to waste time with Quo Todt's personal little "brush fire" war when I have bigger fish to fry.  It's not even an interesting diversion, and I'm not going to let it divert me from more effective and productive works.  My battleground is the Web, with words ~ information, counsel, ways of seeing things, education, analyses, and conversation.  That's where I'm most effective.

There's no way I could "help" Quo Todt even were I remotely inclined to think about it.  Neither can you.  As long as you look toward the "powers-that-be" for solutions, you'll solve nothing at all.  When the bulk of the people demand something, maybe they'll think about doing it ~ depending on how far in the future the next elections may be and whether what the people demand fits into the politicians' present agenda.  Until then, appeal to "the authorities" or even to "the public" through the mainstream media, is a waste of time.  Quo Todt's "propaganda of the deed" is going into the media strictly controlled to benefit the zionists, not Quo Todt's intended audience.

The guy in Germany on trial for "doubting" may be effective.  His action is very well thought out, well planned, and well prepared, and it depends only on him and the way he carries it out, which so far is well-disciplined, completely controlled, detailed and thorough, and cannot be obstructed, and is already producing favorable results.  In addition, his action is exquisitely timed ~ there are abundant signs that the German people are fed up and ready to force a change regarding laws against revisionism.

Quo Todt's action has none of these characteristics.  He was warned about his "loose cannon" approach here and elsewhere.  Numerous people tried to discourage him from doing anything so precipitous as what he has done.  He doesn't listen and went off on his own.  And who benefits from it?  The zionists.

Quo Todt's action in Perth has all the characteristics of a false flag operation ~ like the Arabs who flew the planes on 9/11, who were detected before they developed their plans, and protected, shepherded, and helped by those who wanted their plans to succeed for reasons that we have all been seeing ever since.  Quo Todt's videos have some money behind them.  He has support with deep pockets.  Who are they, and why are they supporting him?  Who benefits?

In all likelihood someone will hire a lawyer for him, and the lawyer will collect the "legal defense fund" being stolen from "supporters."  The lawyer will put up what will look like a brilliant, vigorous defense completely in line with Quo Todt's aim of making it a "show trial" that will "expose" the zionists.  The media will report the proceedings in a way that benefits the zionists and completely buries Quo Todt's agenda, and he will go to jail and spend years trying to "appeal" the case ~ and more money from his "supporters."  That's how these things usually go.

His present value is diverting people from more effective struggle.  Nothing more.

What Quo Todt says in the video will go completely over the heads of people who know nothing or next to nothing about the Talmudic zionist agenda.  You have to know a little bit about the historical struggle to have any idea what he's talking about.  He's preaching to the choir and no one else.  And when he gets out of prison, he'll be coming back with "credentials" as an anti-zionist:  someone who's "done time" for the struggle.  After their propaganda aims are satisfied, the sooner he "cooperates" (if he isn't already), the sooner he'll be released.  "Cooperation" means going back and doing exactly what he's been doing, that's the way it works.

That's exactly the way the FBI plants agents in the revolutionary parties in America, the way they run undercover agents into organized crime and drug cartels, and agents provocateur into Black Power groups.  It's standard "play-book" counterintelligence.

So no, I don't "support" him.  In any way.  Remember what Jesus said:

"The scribes and pharisees sit in Moses' seat.  All, therefore, whatsoever they say, that do; but as they do, do not ~ because they say, but they do not."

That's Quo Todt.  He's advancing the Talmudic zionist agenda.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 27, 2009, 08:02:14 PM
The biggest metaphysical truth is that no "truth" can be ultimately proven.

"Truth" proves itself by being recognizable to us as truth.  If you can't see that the sky is blue, there's no way anyone can "prove" it to you.  Truth does not need to be "proven" ~ truth is what proves anything else to be false or only "partially" true.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 27, 2009, 08:03:36 PM
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The guy in Germany on trial for "doubting" may be effective.  His action is very well thought out, well planned, and well prepared, and it depends only on him and the way he carries it out, which so far is well-disciplined, completely controlled, detailed and thorough, and cannot be obstructed, and is already producing favorable results.  In addition, his action is exquisitely timed ~ there are abundant signs that the German people are fed up and ready to force a change regarding laws against revisionism.

Yes, there may be some light in all of this.

Thank you for your insightful post.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 27, 2009, 08:05:53 PM
Liz, religion claims that the husband is the head of the house, and the woman has to submit to their righteous dominion.    


A marriage should be by consent only, not by a master/slaver relationship.

Jenifer,

I understand that, and a lot of what you say, I am picking this simple example above... people consent and agree to it on varying levels too... and to push another way on them is in a way, initiating force.  

This is heavy stuff, especially when dealing with people's religions, customs, and realities.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 27, 2009, 08:08:31 PM
All you are or will ever be, is an individual.

Jenifer Johnson, Baniyum-badawiyun ~ a tribe of one Bedouin.

So, Miss Muffet, how does your garden grow?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 27, 2009, 08:10:23 PM
I wish you love.

Perhaps that's the spider that sat down beside her.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 27, 2009, 08:13:46 PM
It was the only mechanism to Keep Jews Locked in caged Ghettos.

Islamic Spain kept them under control without locking them in caged ghettos.  Iran suffers no problems from the huge autonomous Jewish nation within Iran, nor does Yemen with their Jews, who are integrated into Yemeni society and have been since the time of the Queen of Sheba.

The only way you can "save your society" from the Jews is to lock them in cages?

Pretty weak society.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 27, 2009, 08:15:50 PM
God gives salvation.  Truth give you an argument.

Well said.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 27, 2009, 08:16:32 PM
WindRiverShoshoni,

The beauty of individualism, is the fact that NO one can infiltrate the individual's self-interests,  that truly believes what they are doing what is right.  What interest do you have in someone else's decision that you are not a party to?
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 27, 2009, 08:22:10 PM
to push another way on them is in a way, initiating force.  

I agree, that is why self-governance (adulthood) is the only paradigm without external control (initiating force).
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 27, 2009, 08:25:50 PM
The whole point of "God said" is to try and justify illegitimate dominion over another.  Perpetrating a fraud.

Q38:4.  And they marvel that a warner has come to them from among themselves, and the deniers say "This is a deceptive charmer."

5.  "Does he make the gods to be One God?  Surely, this is a wonder of wonders!"

6.  And the champions of liberty among them say, "Go, persevere in your devotions -- surely this is something he wishes."

7.  "We never heard of this final religion:  this is nothing but ambitious deception!

God said that.

I certainly would not wish to have any "dominion" over the likes of you.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 27, 2009, 08:26:47 PM

"Truth" proves itself by being recognizable to us as truth.  If you can't see that the sky is blue, there's no way anyone can "prove" it to you.  Truth does not need to be "proven" ~ truth is what proves anything else to be false or only "partially" true.

That is one of the most beautiful "isms" I've ever read.

From Ancient Greek -ισμός (-ismos), a suffix that forms abstract nouns of action, state, condition, doctrine; from Ancient Greek -ισμα (-isma), from stem of verbs in -ιζειν (-izein).
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 27, 2009, 08:38:35 PM
The beauty of individualism, is the fact that NO one can infiltrate the individual's self-interests,  that truly believes what they are doing what is right.

Now really, Jenifer, how can anyone be anything other than an individual?  Do you become a "Siamese twin" by joining hands with someone?  And if someone takes your hand, do you become something other than an individual trying to take it back (or not)?

I eat.  Does that make me an "eatatarian" or am I already one?

If I deliver the groceries that you buy at the store, does that make you something other than an individual?

Can anyone force you to think about a purple monkey?

I think what you object to is social coercion.  That's pretty much an inseparable aspect of what you call "collectivism."

So does everyone else, it's human nature.  Everyone resists social coercion, we all do it, all the time.  It's a collective effort, and always has been.

I guess that makes you part of a collective, eh?  Are you less of an individual?

Egad!  You're guilty of "collectivism"!

Did you learn that completely empty, ridiculous, nightmare word from Ayn Rand, perhaps?

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 27, 2009, 08:39:06 PM
I honestly feel like I have just now entered the twilight zone.  I don't understand your siding with GelIgnite (I hope I am just misunderstanding this) when he provoked and fed links from here to encourage the enemies to add ammo to the actions against Brendon.

Once again, you are blowing things way out of proportion.

I did neither "provoke" nor "encourage" anyone to do anything. All I did was provide a poster on another forum with some information that he requested. What that poster chose to do with it afterwards is neither my business nor my responsibility.

Here's what you're getting worked up over: I posted in a thread that someone started with regard Brendon. I related my own personal experiences with this persona, noting the brazenness and devil-may-care attitude with which he conducted himself, and citing one or two examples to wit of which I was personally aware and which were in the public domain for anyone else to see. Another poster asked me for some more information on one such example (to which I made reference), and so I obliged him with a link.

I did not tell that other poster what I thought he should do with the information. I did not encourage that poster to take any action one way or the other. All I did - ALL I DID - was share some information that had been requested from me by another poster on another forum.

It's probably something that each of the members of this forum have done at least one time (if not on numerous occasions) during their tenure here. I don't see why you're making such a big deal out of the fact that I did it one time over at AWE.

Oh, wait... I almost forgot. You're paranoid and delusional.

Tell you what. If you really think that the passing of this information poses any kind of threat to Brendon (i.e., that it represents "ammo" that could be used against him), then why don't you contact him yourself and warn him that he ought to take his video down?

You keep saying that people should support Brendon. Would you do this?

Have you done this?

The video is still up. Why do you suppose this is?

I think your answer will prove to be quite revealing

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I never asked for his banning or anyone else's for that matter, but only for forum members to see first hand what he is and what he is capable of.

Oh, Gawd.

"...what he is capable of..."

Yeah, right. I'm a real danger to society with my capability to use Crtl+C and Crtl+V on my keyboard. Better watch out.


Kindly get a life.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 27, 2009, 08:47:11 PM
The biggest metaphysical truth is that no "truth" can be ultimately proven.

There are only two states of being, true and false. Reality is the state of being true and there is only one reality.   Our test for truth is reality.

No "truth" can be ultimately proven, to someone else, because one's only link to reality is their subjective perception of reality. There are as many perceptions of reality as there are people. No one can see, feel, think, hear, smell or taste for another.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 27, 2009, 08:56:07 PM
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I did not tell that other poster what I thought he should do with the information. I did not encourage that poster to take any action one way or the other. All I did - ALL I DID - was share some information that had been requested from me by another poster on another forum.

Oh, no, of course, I agree.  You are way too calculated, covert, and sly to be that overt about it.

This is how you do it...

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13040.msg114796#msg114796

And I guess you didn't get the hint from that post either, that I don't bother sinking into the gutters to play games with rats.  Especially wasting my time with their attempts of damage control.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 27, 2009, 09:03:47 PM
...Quo Todt's agenda.... What Quo Todt says in the video will go completely over the heads of people who know nothing or next to nothing about the Talmudic zionist agenda.

Why are you talking about this guy as if he is something other than a malevolent thug, bent on threatening and harassing peaceful citizens?

He's a common criminal... a danger to his fellow Aussies. Nothing more.


When they lock this guy up, it will (and should) be filed under DSAF.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 27, 2009, 09:04:08 PM
WindRiverShoshoni,

I think you misunderstood my post referring to your post on infiltration of groups.  Individuals are the only thing that exist. Creating a group that is only a fiction in reality to have dominion over another is a fraud.  NO one can infiltrate reality.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 27, 2009, 09:24:26 PM
He's a common criminal...


What makes him a criminal, is that he is trying to expose criminality, from a criminal perspective (Christianity).

If he took an individual perspective, he could expose Judaism as the criminally insane dogma, that it is.  Then the criminal Jew„¢ would have no where to run.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 27, 2009, 09:29:32 PM
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And to you Sushgirl, I honestly don't care what you think, since I don't particularly respect your
wishy washy slippery insight on many matters nor feel that you are an honest person or honest
intellect, but tried to at least be pleasant with you nonetheless and considered you part of the
team.  Well, since this Brendon charge, I don't even consider you part of the team.  I suppose
we should all just k*ss jew ass and conform to their standards like in Canada and Germany. Give
them an inch, they'll take a mile.

That was a cheap shot, Liz, but nice to know where you really stand when someone is not in total
agreement with you. I don't profess to know the answers to everything, but I am not afraid to ask.

Funny, prior to the Brendon affair, you commented on some outstanding articles I found and asked
me if I would mind if you posted them on Boondocks...

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Edited to add: P.S.  You are also welcomed to have the so-called "last word".

Giving you the last word was merely a courtesy, since you have a perfect right to express your
opinion - and so you did.

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Well, after this, I am sure that I am not welcome here anymore, but I spoke my mind and our
minds they haven't figured out how to silence yet.

Now that is a little childish, Liz, you have a lot of friends here who would miss you.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 27, 2009, 11:14:01 PM
Im not surprised in the least about this. I said ages ago the bloke was either a fool, or a jew inciter of fools, seems he was the bona-fide fool. You cant go round playing kid games with the jews and the powers that be, it's all very well on a forum, but not in real life. he maybe realises that now.

Enough has been said already, pro and con. All that can be hoped for is that he finds a good lawyer.

The chosen own the press and the courts, they can make him, they can break him and tighten the laws even more.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 28, 2009, 12:29:54 AM
"Now really, Jenifer, how can anyone be anything other than an individual?"

As much as I agree, Jen makes a fair point in terms of how group and family associations do provide privilege and protection at times, even though the spirit of the law is supposedly geared toward the rights and responsibilities of the individual. 
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 28, 2009, 12:35:15 AM
"Oh, wait... I almost forgot. You're paranoid and delusional."

At least you didn't forget the trademark cheap-shot personal insult!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 28, 2009, 01:30:15 AM
The biggest metaphysical truth is that no "truth" can be ultimately proven.

There are only two states of being, true and false. blah blah blah


I didn't write that "metaphysical" crap.  What I wrote was:

"Truth" proves itself by being recognizable to us as truth.  If you can't see that the sky is blue, there's no way anyone can "prove" it to you.  Truth does not need to be "proven" ~ truth is what proves anything else to be false or only "partially" true.

Metaphysics can't touch that because "metaphysicists" think their intellects are the only faculty that can perceive truth, and the intellect can't differentiate between truth and fantasy by itself.  Not everyone is so alienated from their human nature.

If you're going to post something to me, please pay enough attention to quote me, and respond to that.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 28, 2009, 01:31:20 AM
Sushigirl,

Let me just put it this way.  I honestly can say that I like you much more than I dislike some things about you.  I hope this makes sense to you.  But sometimes, you just irritate the heck out of me.

As for the Brendon thing... I just couldn't understand how under such serious circumstances...  how some just kept undermining him so.  I still can't.  He really didn't do anything wrong.  I watched all four of those videos.  Then all I did was correct for the record an inaccuracy you were propagating and you didn't just say thanks, but instead, posted a catty reply (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13042.msg114899#msg114899) in bold, which was totally uncalled for.  I didn't appreciate it under the circumstances. 

Well, now there are only three videos.  The fruit market #1 is missing.  Where it started with the president of "the Australian Union of Jewish Students" who was taking pictures of Brendon first.  The only vilification that I saw is when the jerk said something to Brendon, and Brendon responded, "And you are a Poo Poo Head!"    :D

http://www.youtube.com/user/SuppressedVids
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 28, 2009, 01:46:43 AM
Why are you talking about this guy as if he is something other than a malevolent thug, bent on threatening and harassing peaceful citizens?

He's a common criminal... a danger to his fellow Aussies. Nothing more.


He stumbled into some information about your favorite people that made him angry.  It was good information, and "anger" is a reasonable response to the discovery.  You'll see more and more such responses, and things are liable to get completely out of control.  QuoTodt's inability to control his anger is something you can expect to see in a lot of people ~ especially people who've lost a loved one in Iraq or Afghanistan or Palestine, or got laid off from their jobs, or just don't like things like the JFK assassination or the coverup, the USS Liberty attack or the coverup, the 9/11 treachery or the coverup, or the purchase of Congressmen, or Presidents, or Supreme Court justices, or Hollywood, or mandatory "Holocaust Studies" in the public schools where they have to send their children or go to jail, or "Heather Has Two Mommies," or Gay Pride Week ...

There's a distinct possibility that it will blow up.  Look at Quo Todt as a harbinger of things to come.  More reasonable people couldn't even slow him down.  There are millions of people out there like him, call them whatever you want, they're there.  And the angrier they get, the longer it takes them to go off the deep end, the bigger the explosion will be and the more of such explosions we'll see.

And the information was good.  That's a seriously fatal factor that you refuse to even consider.

Or maybe you do, and what you're trying to do is forestall the explosion.

Well, so am I.  Quo Todt is a suggestion about how successful either of us might be.

Maybe you should re-think some things.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 28, 2009, 01:55:02 AM
Awesome Post!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: wag on May 28, 2009, 04:43:06 AM
The whole point of "God said" is ...

God IS (or is not, depending upon your beliefs).  I don't believe God actually said anything, but the belief in Him moves normal human beings in the moral direction. 

Of course any belief or movement or "collective" can be corrupted or perverted -- most are these days.  Our great challenge is to eliminate this corruption/perversion.  But look at history.  Show me one time where the perversion and corruption that jewry brings was rooted out by individualism.  I'll show you scores of accounts where it was rooted out, or prevented from establishing, by moral collectives.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: wag on May 28, 2009, 04:50:34 AM
The biggest metaphysical truth is that no "truth" can be ultimately proven.

"Truth" proves itself by being recognizable to us as truth.  If you can't see that the sky is blue, there's no way anyone can "prove" it to you.  Truth does not need to be "proven" ~ truth is what proves anything else to be false or only "partially" true.

That's a good approach, and I as well follow that.  The real world is filled with too much information to process.  Just as soon as you think you know something, there's always another level to it.  So we conceptualize and label things and invent paradigms so we can achieve that necessary feeling of truth.  That's a gut feeling.  Ultimately, it's our intuition driving the vehicle, and sometimes it's a bumpy road.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 28, 2009, 05:20:56 AM
WRS..
Islamic Spain, nor any Muslim nation, has Never Kept Jews under control..they are always a corrosive force. Covertly.

Jews never feared Muslims as they did the Catholic Church...hence why the present day attacks on Catholicism, by Jewry.

Jews living under Muslim rule, were never systematically Inquisitioned, Expelled, Burned, Fined, Jailed, Killed or put to death and in fact, rose to great positions of power to execute their Crimes ie Armenian Massace of 3 million Christians in Turkey.

And the Zio Spies are all over Iran...from the small Persian Jewish population there.
You bet they are not quiet, just studying Torah.

Yes, the only way society can be safe IS Caged ghettos or a Madagascar Island.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 28, 2009, 05:28:19 AM
Jennifer said

Expose criminality
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from a criminal perspective, Christianity

So now, Christianity is criminal?
I guess It is.... to a Jew.
Or if youre a Christian prostelytizing in IsraHell-5 year prison sentence in fact since 1976.

This is Zio Nonsense.

Kosher Cryptos are everyhere, including this forum.
Go back to YNET, Haaretz or AWA leaving Kosher comments, and leave the Gentile/Christians here alone.

Im Sick of you F*ckers. The world is sick of you.  Please Get Lost. Its over for you.
A 1 way to Tel Aviv is the only safe place for you wtshtf. And it will.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 28, 2009, 05:45:36 AM
"That was a cheap shot, Liz, but nice to know where you really stand when someone is not in total agreement with you."

I grew up with three sisters and have to admit I still tend to enjoy a good 'exchange of diverse ideas' between two 'consenting' adult women!

I won't take sides, though.  That might seem ... chauffeuristic.

(http://drivertrainingsa.co.za/mediac/400_0/media/chauffeur.jpg)

Why get driven where you don't even really want to go [?] is all I have to ask.

sushi ... anyone ?
(http://images-0.redbubble.net/img/art/size:large/view:main/2654972-2-fresh-sushi.jpg)

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 28, 2009, 07:42:45 AM
Why are you talking about this guy as if he is something other than a malevolent thug, bent on threatening and harassing peaceful citizens?

He's a common criminal... a danger to his fellow Aussies. Nothing more.


He stumbled into some information about your favorite people that made him angry.

He's paranoid and delusional.

He couldn't find his ass with both hands.

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It was good information, and "anger" is a reasonable response to the discovery.

Brendon and "information"?

It's like a chimp with a loaded handgun.

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You'll see more and more such responses, and things are liable to get completely out of control.  QuoTodt's inability to control his anger is something you can expect to see in a lot of people...

If they start acting on their violent impulses, we'll just stick 'em in jail.

Where they belong.

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...especially people who've lost a loved one in Iraq or Afghanistan or Palestine...

I would submit there are all kinds of people who have lost loved ones this way who don't go around harassing and threatening their fellow citizens with physical violence.

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....or got laid off from their jobs...

Happened to me back August. Now I work freelance, and things are going just fine. In any case, I don't blame "the Jews" or "the Muslims" or any other group of people for my own misfortunes.

And I don't think I'm unique in that regard.

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...or just don't like things like the JFK assassination...

Lee Harvey Oswald was not a Jew, as far as I know.

And he is quite dead.

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...the USS Liberty attack...

Found to be the result of mistaken identity, which most everyone accepts.

Israel apologised, paid for the ship, settled with the victims, and life goes on.

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...the 9/11 treachery...

Perpetrated by Islamic extremists.

Yet I don't see where Muslims are being threatened and harassed on the streets in the U.S.

I see women walking around with hijabs all the time where I live... at the store, at the mall, whathaveyou. They are quite safe. And if I ever saw a QuoTodt-type thug harassing one of them, I would physically interdict, and, believe me, the guy would wind up in jail before too long.

Or in hospital.

Yet here you are, virtually cheering on this thug who threatens and harasses Jews for no other reason than he gets off on it.

What's wrong with this picture, Windy?

[...idiocy snipped...]

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Maybe you should re-think some things.

I'm beginning to re-think whatever respect I once had for you.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Zampan0 on May 28, 2009, 07:53:58 AM
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"Why get driven where you don't even really want to go [?] is all I have to ask.

sushi ... anyone" ?

Krrup,

    We all go where the Divine Bhudda has us go. Asceticism is futile.  Follow the Noble middle path.

may-pen-rye.  la-gone.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 28, 2009, 07:55:54 AM
Why are you even still here geli?   You have shown your true colors, we are done with you, it's probably time to wrap it up.

Obviously nolajbs has decided to keep you around for some reason, he must have a purpose, but none of the rest of us care for your deceit.

WRS is highly respected on this board and you are not.   Do what you need to do, but just know that you have no credibility left here.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WaltDisney on May 28, 2009, 08:09:24 AM
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Found to be the result of mistaken identity, which most everyone accepts.

Israel apologised, paid for the ship, settled with the victims, and life goes on.

Youre a Dirty Liar.
Paid for?
With US tax dollars.
Israel paid sh*t to the US Sailors, about $250 for watching their shipmates murdered.

Israel apologize? 
Just like they do for head shooting children or bombing homes of women and children in the Gaza Concentration Camp.

Life goes on..
indeed and the world awakens to Jewish Zionist crimes.

Get lost, youre a Kosher clown.
We really dont have the time to answer your lies and Zio Bullsh*t.
This forum isnt for you or your 'den of Serpents' as Christ so aptly described you.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Zampan0 on May 28, 2009, 08:20:43 AM
Let's all cool down a bit.  Don't let a Zhid upset you.

Here's a great song for all of us.  Enjoy it and realize what it is, that's important.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5AngKooN9A

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: sugar on May 28, 2009, 08:38:17 AM
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...the USS Liberty attack...

Found to be the result of mistaken identity, which most everyone accepts.

Israel apologised, paid for the ship, settled with the victims, and life goes on.

Are you Jewish?   You lie like one.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 28, 2009, 08:43:31 AM
''may-pen-rye.  la-gone.''

I'm afraid it's just not that simple, Z.
Pen-rai ... mee!

April 13 '09
(http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00790/eng_bangkok03_BM_Ve_790854g.jpg)

November '04
(http://www.iran-daily.com/1383/2138/html/008445.jpg)

November '63
(http://www.philipcoppens.com/911_11.jpg)

March '09
(http://media.monstersandcritics.com/galleries/1526370/0157813555085.jpg)

Any special reason for your reply?  The personal attention is ... reminding me of Looky Lou.  Still don't care too much for my heavy, extra-terrestrial mineral theory?  That's where we left off, as I recall.

September '01
(http://911review.org/_webimages/noplane/hole4_3.JPG)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: mallard on May 28, 2009, 08:46:48 AM
"Don't let a Zhid upset you."

I'm trying not to!

(http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/pentagon/docs/whatsinthebox.jpg)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Zampan0 on May 28, 2009, 09:29:04 AM
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Still don't care too much for my heavy, extra-terrestrial mineral theory?

Look at the guys carrying that box.  Most are using one hand.  It's not heavey at all, it's a shell.

I think it is simple. may-pen rai, Pom pee-en.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 28, 2009, 10:00:52 AM
Are you Jewish?   You lie like one.

Show me where.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: sugar on May 28, 2009, 10:40:14 AM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r221/wyakin5/3_38-1.jpg)

It's lunch-time.  I don't talk to Jews while I'm eating, it tends to give me indigestion.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jan Robertson on May 28, 2009, 10:44:48 AM
Strewth Walt are you dyslexic? or are you just plain rude ..... this reply you made to Effendi was a quote from GELIGNITE

USE THE REPLY BUTTON AT THE POST OF THE PERSON YOUR REPLYING TO NOT THE LAST POST MADE ON THE PAGE

I've lost count of how many times you have been told!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Quote BY GELIGNITE
Found to be the result of mistaken identity, which most everyone accepts.

Israel apologised, paid for the ship, settled with the victims, and life goes on.


Youre a Dirty Liar.
Paid for?
With US tax dollars.
Israel paid sh*t to the US Sailors, about $250 for watching their shipmates murdered.

Israel apologize? 
Just like they do for head shooting children or bombing homes of women and children in the Gaza Concentration Camp.

Life goes on..
indeed and the world awakens to Jewish Zionist crimes.

Get lost, youre a Kosher clown.
We really dont have the time to answer your lies and Zio Bullsh*t.
This forum isnt for you or your 'den of Serpents' as Christ so aptly described you.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 28, 2009, 10:45:05 AM
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Show me where.


Our reply to those who ask:

The plain truth is that, despite the arguments of spokesmen for Israel, most people who look carefully at the circumstances of this attack agree that it was deliberate. Moreover, the top minds in the American intelligence community agree that solid evidence is overwhelming that it was deliberate! Linked below is a file listing some of those names. One really must look carefully when such respected and conservative Americans as Dean Rusk, Marshall Carter, Richard Helms, Lou Tordella, Tom Moorer, Rufus Taylor, William Odom, Bobby Ray Inman, John Morrison, George Ball, Clark Clifford, Lucius Battle, Merlin Staring and others including even LBJs own press secretary George Christian all say almost with one voice that the attack was deliberate and that the evidence says so. Four former NSA directors agree that deliberateness of the attack was not a debatable issue; it was agreed fact. None of these men are the sort to adopt wild or irresponsible positions.

http://www.ussliberty.org/history405.htm
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jan Robertson on May 28, 2009, 11:09:54 AM
Sushigirl,

Let me just put it this way.  I honestly can say that I like you much more than I dislike some things about you.  I hope this makes sense to you.  But sometimes, you just irritate the heck out of me.

As for the Brendon thing... I just couldn't understand how under such serious circumstances...  how some just kept undermining him so.  I still can't.  He really didn't do anything wrong.  I watched all four of those videos.  Then all I did was correct for the record an inaccuracy you were propagating and you didn't just say thanks, but instead, posted a catty reply (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13042.msg114899#msg114899) in bold, which was totally uncalled for.  I didn't appreciate it under the circumstances. 

ET, the only way ANYONE would have known WHO those Jews were was when they read the news release, but NOT at the venue at the time, they could have been tourists or anything else until the report was released. If you are making any kind of attack (which I personally think is a waste of time with negative outcomes) then it has to be at the right time and place and done in a manner that doesn't allow abuse.

Brendan is NOT advocating free speech he's promoting 'confrontation' at a time when jews WANT confrontation, and thereby lies the problem with Brendan, he plays right into the jews hands and that is exactly what we DON'T want.

The 'first' to be charged under these laws, Fredrick Tobin, is the one we should be supporting, as he genuinely is being silenced, with free speech under attack.

Your memory seems to fail you concerning Brendans past histionics and his very nasty attacks on you and your character, and on Sushi's, and the reason for him being banned.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 28, 2009, 11:22:04 AM
The real world is filled with too much information to process.

Try "Guide To Events:  Processing the Information Overload" at http://www.muslimamerica.net/mp/guide.htm

Note that the Web is also a "media."

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 28, 2009, 11:23:16 AM
re: USS Liberty

Found to be the result of mistaken identity, which most everyone accepts.

NOT a single soul that was THERE accepts any such thing!!

Only apologists and revisionists cling to that bold faced lie.

President Lyndon Johnson declared it an "accident" but those aboard are certain the attack was deliberate.

Here is a story in the press TODAY about how America is honoring a Hero from that dreadful day.

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/local&id=6835367

Visalia, CA (KFSN) -- Forty-two years ago the USS Liberty was attacked as it was docked in the Mediterranean Sea during the Arab -Israeli War.

One of the sailors on board was awarded the Navy's third-highest honor for saving more than 260 lives on that ship.

65-year old Terry Halbardier never thought he'd be in Congressman Devin Nunes' office receiving a Silver Star, the Navy's third highest honor for his role in saving 260 lives during the Arab-Israeli War, also known as "The Six Day War."

Terry Halbardier said, "I'm stoked! It's a total honored humbly honored right now I never expected something like this to happen."

 The Navy vet was only 23-years old when his ship ... the USS Liberty was attacked by Israeli fighter jets. 34 crewmembers were killed, 170 others injured. During the two-hour attack Halbardier fixed an antenna that was shot down and sent out a signal for help.

The June 8th 1967 attack is widely controversial because Israel was the U.S.'s ally during the war. President Lyndon Johnson declared it an "accident" but those aboard are certain the attack was deliberate.

"There's a lot of theories but let's just say they didn't want us listening in to what they wanted to do," said Halbardier.


"The government has kept this quiet I think for too long and I felt as my constituent he needed to get recognized for the services he made to this country," said Nunes.

Halbardier still has scars all over his body from shrapnel during the attack. Former CIA Analyst Ray McGovern flew from Virginia to see Halbardier receive the Silver Star.

"Now we have a Silver Star- the third highest award for the Navy given to a person without whom there'd be no tale to tell that Liberty would be at the bottom of the Mediterranean," said McGovern.

Terry Halbardier says he still suffers from survivor's guilt. He continues to tell his story about the truth from that day to anyone who will listen.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 28, 2009, 11:44:11 AM
Right.  :)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 28, 2009, 11:44:27 AM
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ET, the only way ANYONE would have known WHO those Jews were was when they read the news release, but NOT at the venue at the time, they could have been tourists or anything else until the report was released. If you are making any kind of attack (which I personally think is a waste of time with negative outcomes) then it has to be at the right time and place and done in a manner that doesn't allow abuse.

Brendan is NOT advocating free speech he's promoting 'confrontation' at a time when jews WANT confrontation, and thereby lies the problem with Brendan, he plays right into the jews hands and that is exactly what we DON'T want.

The 'first' to be charged under these laws, Fredrick Tobin, is the one we should be supporting, as he genuinely is being silenced, with free speech under attack.

Your memory seems to fail you concerning Brendans past histionics and his very nasty attacks on you and your character, and on Sushi's, and the reason for him being banned.




This one time, I will entertain your straw-man post and your attempt to mix sound reason in with your subtle undermining.

First of all, I wasn't making an attack. I was politely correcting wrong information being propagated then I was underhandedly attacked.  

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13042.msg114893#msg114893

Edited to add:  I misunderstood your post, I thought you were referring to me making an attack.

No one said he was advocating free speech.  He was utilizing his right to speak the truth... and was subsequently "charged" for it.

I don't care what jews want or don't want personally.  Nor should people HAVE to act according to what jews want or don't want

I support Tobin as I do support all that tell the truth... regardless of the circumstance or the importance of that person.  

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Your memory seems to fail you concerning Brendans past histionics and his very nasty attacks on you and your character, and on Sushi's, and the reason for him being banned.

My memory is just fine, perhaps it is you with a memory problem.  I've addressed that issue several times already.  When push comes to shove, I set aside petty differences.  

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13042.msg114719#msg114719

Then immediately after, here is where I brought your attention to it.

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13042.msg114720#msg114720

This topic as far as it relates to you and your views is over for me.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 28, 2009, 12:03:24 PM
Strewth Walt are you dyslexic? or are you just plain rude ..... this reply you made to Effendi was a quote from GELIGNITE

USE THE REPLY BUTTON AT THE POST OF THE PERSON YOUR REPLYING TO NOT THE LAST POST MADE ON THE PAGE

I've lost count of how many times you have been told!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_________________________________________________________________

Thanks Mystica,  I saw it earlier but didn't say anything because I felt like there is no one involved in the conversation who is not clear where everyone else stands.

Not sure why Walt can't seem to get the system down, it's a little different than other places, but not very complicated.

I'd like to think it's an honest mistake as I look past the structure and into the message but I'm not sure what's going on with him.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: gelignite on May 28, 2009, 12:11:52 PM
re: USS Liberty

NOT a single soul that was THERE accepts any such thing!!

In fact, no less than the ship's CO, William McGonagle, testified as to his belief that the attack may have been in error.

In later years, he clarified that the Israelis were negligent in their conduct (a notion with which I agree), but McGonagle apparently never subscribed to the belief that the attack was deliberately carried out against a ship that was known to be American, and, in fact, he enjoyed friendly correspondence with Jay Cristol, author of the authoritative book on the subject:

http://www.thelibertyincident.com/mcgonagle.html

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http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/local&id=6835367

...During the two-hour attack...

This is an of-repeated error of fact.

Actually, and according to the sworn testimony of sailors who were on board the ship, the attack lasted about 45 minutes, with the Israelis signaling offers of assistance one hour after the first shots were fired.

In any case, if this is among the things which is being served up as some sort of justification for Brendon's vicious assaults against peaceful citizens and hapless mall clerks, then I would say that the guy needs a lesson in history from somebody else besides those who like to sit 'round the pub with their good, old-fashioned, Jew-hating talk.

Perhaps someone will give it to him.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 28, 2009, 12:30:20 PM
Alright Jack,  I have no doubt that you are so heavily invested in the Lie, that video tape wouldn't change your mind.

Carry on!!

(http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/11/09/Schumann_071109105838996_wideweb__300x292.jpg)

here is the result of your namesake.

(http://www.sangam.org/FB_PHOTOGENOCIDE/Three1.jpg)

You must be so proud.

.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 28, 2009, 01:21:15 PM
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You must be so proud.

So true, Effendi,

Only a true psychopath would proudly use the name of death (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13040.msg114677#msg114677) delivered upon its victims.

edited to add link
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: FrankDialogue on May 28, 2009, 01:35:30 PM
(http://www.surfersparadisebackpackers.com.au/images/bchcple_sm.jpg)(http://)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2212/2541433226_956d991e91_b.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2161/2540742289_769eb0134d_b.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2364/2541425230_5201f9e5c1_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3025/2540718051_3593275665_b.jpg)

All of this 'Beautiful Australia' will soon be gone as the Jew takes over...  ::)  :o  :-*


(http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/juden.jpg)
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Zampan0 on May 28, 2009, 01:42:50 PM
Great pics Frank!

"All of this 'Beautiful Australia' will soon be gone as the Jew takes over..."

It's possible the J-ws won't take over.  After giving up their guns for no good reason, the Aussie's are pissed off.  One can only hope.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Effendi on May 28, 2009, 01:48:03 PM
Some GREAT shots Frank.   Now I want to visit down under and enjoy those views.

I'm on a plane at 6am, heading down to Tobago for a week.  It's 10 miles off the coast of Venezuela but simply Gorgeous.

I intend to spend the majority of my waking hours over the next week diving right here!!

(http://pictures.carriacou.biz/albums/svg_airlines/tobago_cays/tobago_cays.jpg)

and here

(http://www.islandtimeholidays.com/images/tobago_cays_with_yacht.jpg)

I'll tell you of my discoveries upon my return!!
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: NOLAJBS on May 28, 2009, 02:04:27 PM
I don't understand your siding with GelIgnite ...
I don't expect you to.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 28, 2009, 02:07:12 PM
Beautiful photographs..... Frank.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Sue on May 28, 2009, 02:10:29 PM
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I'm on a plane at 6am, heading down to Tobago for a week.  It's 10 miles off the coast of Venezuela but simply Gorgeous.

I intend to spend the majority of my waking hours over the next week diving right here!!

Nice, have a great trip. A week goes fast, I got back 8 weeks ago, make the most of it.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 28, 2009, 02:14:26 PM
I don't expect you to.




NOLAJBS,

Elaborate then please. 

This is more than what goes on another forum as per the TOS, this pertains to GelIgnite endangering another covertly and subtly (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13040.msg115130#msg115130) giving ammo over to the enemies to use against him via this forum. 

Please see:

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13040.msg114761#msg114761

then...

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13040.msg114796#msg114796

I think you may have missed all of that because you are very busy, when you appeared to condone Gel here (http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13040.msg114920#msg114920), thus giving him and his acts an air of legitimacy. 
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 28, 2009, 02:28:46 PM
If you're going to post something to me, please pay enough attention to quote me, and respond to that.

You keep misunderstanding the objective of my posts.  I was only helping you clarify what he meant.

Wag made the statement "The biggest metaphysical truth is that no "truth" can be ultimately proven", which you didn't understand what he meant.

This should have been the statement: "The biggest metaphysical truth is that no "truth" can be ultimately proven to someone else by another.

There is objective reality, then there is one's subjective perception of reality.  The test for reality is truth.  The main point is,  One's link to reality is independent of everyone else's.   NO one can think, see, touch, hear, taste or smell, for anyone else, which means  no "truth" can be ultimately proven to someone else by another.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: NOLAJBS on May 28, 2009, 02:35:40 PM
Elaborate then please.
Simple:

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Furthermore .....

I`m making an appeal to both the members and the admins to support and enact the banning of `Gelly`.

I am absolutely opposed to attempting to influence NOLAJBS to take any action of this nature.  This is precisely how the zionist parties at Liberty Forum destroyed that forum ~ lobbying John Deere regarding their dissatisfactions and costing him so much time that he took a precipitous action that was not his own decision.

I have not always agreed with NOLA.  Early on, during the Rachel1958 Secret Service fiasco, he accused me, wrongly, concerning some action that I took during his absence, at Liberty Forum (which took Rachel1958's treachery against this forum back to where it came from).  I overlooked that, because he thought he was right, and like anyone else, he can be mistaken ~ I did not argue with him, and I did not abandon this forum because of his mistaken accusation.  He is the one who can suffer from his mistakes, and as a supporter of this forum (and his aims in hosting it), my responsibility as a friend of this forum is to help him avoid that when I can.

But he is entitled to make his own mistakes, and as a friend of the forum, it would be a violation of that friendship to encourage him to make one or to lead him into making one.

And whether banishing Jelly would be a mistake is for NOLAJBS, and only NOLAJBS, to decide, for his own reasons, and not under some kind of "peer pressure" to soothe peoples' feathers.

The cabal at Liberty Forum brought pressure on John Deere to banish me.  It worked, and John Deere made that mistake.  I remained there, along with a number of people including several people within the forum's "inner sanctum" (the "Galt's Gulch" forum, to which I had a password), and watched the resulting collapse of the forum, which I expected.

I have no opinion about whether to banish Gelignite.  I really don't care, one way or the other.  But I have a real problem with people on this forum trying to do to Gelignite what the zionists and their dupes did to me at Liberty Forum, and just as much of a problem with people on this forum trying to do to NOLAJBS what the zionists and their dupes did to John Deere.

As far as I can tell, Brendon appears to have given up working full time in exchange for exposing Zionists ...

Assuming arguendo that this is true, so what?  I've devoted all of my time for forty years to exposing The Lie (the deception underlying what you call "zionists") and calling people to common sense.  Many people ~ including many muslims ~ have made themselves my enemy because of that, and many have tried to attack me ~ physically, on the ground, as well as politically, both on the ground and on the Web.  I have never attacked those self-declared enemies, and I have never asked or encouraged anyone to attack them because of their opposition to my efforts.  Never.

All I have done is watch their efforts fail and collapse, and in many cases backfire on themselves, without any effort or "assistance" on my part other than "point defense" (i.e., at the point of attack, if it came close enough to require defense) but never any "counterattack" apart from the point of attack.  Every attack has made us (me and my companions) stronger ~ some have resulted in material gains:  such as this two-acre urban real estate now worth something on the order of a quarter of a million dollars that we gained in a court settlement.  I mention this to show that I am not talking about "winning arguments" or some kind of "virtual medium" victory over a contentious opponent, but actual real-life gains as a direct result of others' efforts against me.

Jelly is no different from anyone else in that regard.  The more he attacks, the stronger this forum gets.

I insist that NOLAJBS, and no one else, has the right to conclude whether Jelly's presence in this forum is useful or detrimental.  NO ONE.

If you can't stand Jelly's presence, leave.

If you can't just ignore him, then let him waste your time and emotions.

If you can't argue with him, let others do it.

But Leave NOLA the hell alone.  This forum is what it is because of HIS decisions and HIS judgment.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

No, your appeal is rejected.  Go disrupt some other forum with these zionist tactics.


Thank you.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 28, 2009, 02:41:16 PM
Your TOS Banning reply is irrelevant to the issue at hand as it relates to my concern.

For the record...

I never asked for his banning.

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13040.msg115019#msg115019

But on the same token, I didn't expect your reaction to appear to condone GelIgnite either.

That's all.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: NOLAJBS on May 28, 2009, 02:46:14 PM
If you're not calling for his banishment, what's all the fuss all about then? What is it you expect from me, if anything at all?

And for the record (since you're appearing to be keeping 'tabs'), my "siding with gelignite" has nothing to do with me "condoning" him.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 28, 2009, 03:02:58 PM
Islamic Spain, nor any Muslim nation, has Never Kept Jews under control ... they are always a corrosive force. Covertly.

Knowing that they will be a corrosive force when other people don't prevent that is one key to preventing it.  Knowing human nature and how to deal with the dangers of human nature is another key to preventing it.  Developing a human society consistent with human nature is another key.

Talmudic zionists ~ a small, virulent party hiding within Judaism ~ are not supermen.  They know how to subvert human societies comprised of people who are not aware of their machinations.  It is not their political skill that makes them dangerous, it is others' lack of awareness and political skill.

Muslim Spain kept them on a short leash and used their skills in socially beneficial ways.  Iran does the same, and so does Yemen.  They are very useful to a human society when they are unable to subvert it.

You're welcome to your opinions.  Some of these that you've been expressing just have no basis in reality.

Jews never feared Muslims as they did the Catholic Church ... hence why the present day attacks on Catholicism, by Jewry.

Muslims expose their frauds on humanity just by existing.  The more muslims devote themselves to the knowledge we've been given for all humanity, the more we are feared and despised by the Talmudic zionists.  We know the histories that they neglect to mention and try to hide from those who are ignorant of them, we know the machinations and the methods and strategies they use to subvert, cripple, and destabilize societies, we expose them so others can protect themselves from them.

Why do you think that the American media is so overloaded with demonization of muslims and Arabs and falsification of Islam?  No other group, religious or ethnic or racial, can be vilified so thoroughly, incessantly, and systematically, as muslims ~ saying about others what is said about us would not be "politically correct" and would undermine "multiculturalism."

Islam is the only "culture" that is painted utterly black in the American media.  Why do you think that is?  What they fear is that anyone might find us and ~ "G-d forbid" (but He won't) ~ listen to what we say.  That's why you get Christian and atheist "experts on Islam" in the media instead of articulate, knowledgeable muslims, and nutcase short-tempered idiot "muslim spokesmen" on the talk shows.  It's why the false prophet Elijah Muhammad and his so-called "Nation of Islam" got so much play in the media ~ the last thing the Talmudic zionists want you to get curious about is Islam.

Catholicism is a creation of Temple Israel.  It didn't "get away from them," it has proceeded through the centuries just as the pharisees planned.  It is the driving force behind the "clash of civilizations" that has Europeans pitted against the world of Islam, in the biggest "let's you and him fight" they ever set up. This is well-known to be the zionist strategy ~ to have Christianity and Islam destroy each other.  Obama is advancing that agenda as we speak.

Attacks on the Catholic Church ~ basically exposing priests who did what some rabbis get away with ~ are a subterfuge, a diversion and a ruse, and a means of keeping Catholicism on the defensive and Christianity aimed away from seeing the larger picture.

Suppose someone popped up ~ in the worldwide media, with bells and whistles and a lot of fanfare ~ who appeared, superficially, to be Jesus.  Then suppose that the Jews "miraculously" converted.  How many Christians would be taken in by this?  The "Second Coming" prophecies were written in Temple Israel for exactly that strategem.

But stumble on in your darkness, as you wish.

Muslims are not asleep on the schemes of Talmudic zionism.  We never have been.  God warns us of them, informs us of their methods and strategies, points us to exactly what turned that party of Israelis into ~ yes, the Synagogue of Satan, and we know exactly how they subverted the Arab muslim empire by playing on the ambitions of the early Arab muslims.

There are going to be Jews forever.  They're not going to disappear, except maybe from sight for a minute, and whenever they do that, they reappear.  God promised Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that Israel would be around forever, and that's what's going to happen.  History does not show us any other nation that has persisted for three thousand years as Israel has.  That should tell us something, and it does.

Humanity is going to have to learn how to protect our societies from them.  Sequestering them doesn't work and eliminating them is not possible, and neither is a "solution" consistent with human nature, neither is morally acceptable.  Despising Israel because of what a small party of corrupted Israelis has done ~ and you don't know a tenth of the magnitude of what they have done ~ is not the way to proceed, and is self-destructive as well.

God favored Israel for a single, specific reason.  The faithful of Israel fulfilled their promise, and what they did to do that cannot be done again by anyone.  It is for those Israelites that God will preserve Israel as an eternal nation forever, and there is no way ~ and certainly no reason ~ for us to try to change that.

When we live up to our human potentials, and harmonize ourselves with our human nature, and our societies likewise, Israel will not be a problem.  Just as Israel was not a problem for Muslim Spain, and is not a problem for Iran or Yemen today.

The "problem" is us ~ our corrupted and bought politicians are the most prominent evidence of this, we sent 95% of them back to Washington in the elections, for starters.  And there is no indication that anybody is trying to deprive the Talmudic zionists of their puppet politicians, all the focus is on "the Jews" ~ the wrong focus.

They can't do a thing unless they can corrupt some gentiles to do it for them.

The reason that we're "the problem" is that the universal "recipe for success" has been hidden ~ by the Talmudic zionists and others ~ for centuries.  They have a "recipe for success" that works only for them and destroys anyone else who tries to use it.  And of course, they have corrupted it and abuse it, prostituting what they were given in order that they could be a benefit to humanity.  But that's their problem, it is what destroys them.  Our problem is that we have not gone past them and found and put into practice that other "recipe for success" that they hid instead of telling the world about it as they promised to do.

The "man on the street," whether Jewish or gentile, doesn't know this.  But when the true crime of Temple Israel becomes public knowledge, there will be ~ literally ~ hell to pay, and Talmudic Temple Israel will be paid exactly that, in full.  The restored Israel of Isaac and Jacob, after that, will not be what Christian zionists expect, not at all.

Israel will never escape the stain on its honor put there by the Talmudic zionists ~ by the scribes and pharisees of Temple Israel and their successors.  Israel has been humbled and deposed from the "Kingdom of David" and the empire of Solomon, and will never be restored.  Jesus said that in no uncertain terms.  But Israel will persist, as God promised Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and Joseph and David and Solomon and all of the prophets God sent to Israel, and it will persist just as Jesus said:  "I am the way, the truth, and the life."  That ~ and only that ~ is the future of Israel.  It's a beautiful future.  The corrupt of Israel ~ the Talmudic zionists and their companions in Temple Israel and Christianity ~ will never reach it, they will perish with The Lie and because of it.

They know all this, it's spelled out in their Scripture.  And it doesn't take a university degree to read it, know it, and understand it.  All it takes is what Jesus said:

"Nevertheless, when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth; for he shall not speak of himself, but whatever he shall hear, that shall he speak; and he will show you things to come."

The "Spirit of Truth" and the "Spirit of Holiness" (or "Holy Spirit") are not the same.  The Holy Spirit accompanied Jesus wherever he went for his entire life.  The "Spirit of Truth" came centuries after he was gone ~ and obviously not in Israel.



You decide for yourself whether what I write is about those "things to come" and is recognizable by you as "truthful."

No one ~ not even muslims ~ are "required" to accept what I say.  God Himself does not "require" gentiles to accept what I say, even when I'm articulating in English what He says or what the Spirit of Truth said or even repeating it word for word in Arabic.  I'm not a prophet, I'm not some kind of saint, I'm not even particularly "pious" ~ the pharisees were more scrupulous about ritual and "being perfect" than I am.  I'm just an old man with glasses and no teeth, banging on a keyboard fighting a war in the heavens, that no one knows from Adam ~ and if God wants you to accept what I say, you will, and if not, He doesn't care.  And if He doesn't care, why should I?

But I can be corrected should I mis-speak or get something wrong ~ all it takes is more self-evident truth, or information that can be verified as truthful.

So where are those to whom the Spirit of Truth has come, who have been guided into all the truth, and to whom he showed "things to come"?  Where are they?

Bring more truth.  I've been looking for more all my life.  I don't do anything else but look for truth and articulate what I find ~ bring me more and more and more, I can't get enough.  I don't have any other passions that even come close to my passion for truth.  I'm looking forward to dying because then, for a brief moment before I'm born again and forget it, I'll know all the truth it's possible for me to know. For most of my life I have pursued nothing else except, on occasion, some justice ~ and God has given it to me every time I've had to go after it.  So why should I doubt that He has given me knowledge of truth?  But I'm greedy ~ I want more.  Bring me some more that I don't already have.

More truth is the only thing that can possibly contradict or refute what I say.  On occasion I get something wrong, and I'm delighted when someone else points it out ~ with more truth.  Opinions?  Everyone has one.

One of the primary strategies of the Talmudic zionists is to take some truth and mix it up with a little bit of falsehood.  Ayn Rand's "Libertarianism" and "Objectivism" are two cases in point.  "Democracy" is another.  The "some truth" makes people swallow the lie, thinking it's all the same.  It's not.

So find what's "false" in what I write and show it to everybody with truth, not an "opinion" that simply denies it.

God says the same thing in the Qur'an.  He tells us to examine the world we see to verify for ourselves that what He says about it is true.  He challenges those who doubt or deny to find anything in what He says that is not truth.  People for over a thousand years have found things they don't like, and there are plenty of people who simply deny what He says, but no one has ever met that challenge.  What God says cannot be "disproven," just as Jesus can be denied but never disproven:  not with lies, not with half-truths, not with anything.  When God speaks a Word, it becomes reality ~ like the Word that He spoke into Mary, Jesus.  Absolutely irrefutable, impossible to avoid or escape.

My writings are another thing entirely.  They are not "the Word of God."  They are not "revelation" or scripture or even "sermons" or "religious" writings.  I don't discuss theology or morality or how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.  I write about His Words (sometimes), but mostly I write about the reality they create.  I make mistakes.  I get things wrong.  And when they're pointed out to me, I correct myself.

So give me some help here.  Bring me some more truth.  Show everyone that you have been guided into all the truth and shown "things to come" by the Spirit of Truth.

Otherwise, start looking for it.  It's definitely "out there" for you to find.



"Truth" is not "proven," it's recognized ~ it is what proves anything else to be false or only "partially" true.

Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 28, 2009, 03:10:56 PM
Show me one time where the perversion and corruption that jewry brings was rooted out by individualism. 
The Declaration of Independence was the first and ONLY time in world history that broke through the collectivist paradigm of "GOD Said", "King Said", or "Government said" which was a declaration of individual sovereignty from a higher authority, the King of England. They threw off the yoke of the fraud of "King Said".  "God said" is the same fraud as "Government said".   The Declaration of Independence, is a declaration that No one on earth is god, so no one has authority or right to control another (Individualism). No one has the right or authority to violate another's individual rights and individual sovereignty supersedes any agreement that establishes a government entity which is only a fiction in law (constitution).


I'll show you scores of accounts where it was rooted out, or prevented from establishing, by moral collectives.

Please show me one example, because there could be no war, without collectivism.   Every war is counter intuitive to your claim. Morality comes from doing right from wrong, which is objectively established by the laws of nature, not subjective established by collectivism.


Here is a question that I have always wonder how the collectivist mentality can justify their delusions of grandeur perspective due to their God complex.

A decision can only be made by the individual's involved.   Where do you think you have the right to enter into the decision making process of another, that you are no a party to?
The fact that anyone thinks they have the right to tell someone else, what they can or can't do with their own life makes them  criminally insane, which is the basis behind any form of collectivism.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 28, 2009, 03:21:51 PM
If you're not calling for his banishment, what's all the fuss all about then? What is it you expect from me, if anything at all?

And for the record (since you're appearing to be keeping 'tabs'), my "siding with gelignite" has nothing to do with me "condoning" him.


What I wanted is self-explanatory in my previous post...  to at least not give GelIgnites acts of feeding the prosecutor's in Australia via this forum to the jews at the other forum with more ammo to make the enemies' case against one of our own at least.  Perhaps in hindsight, it would have been best to not have acknowledged him at all until you had all the data.

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my "siding with gelignite" has nothing to do with me "condoning" him.

It gives that impression.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: Jenifer Johnson on May 28, 2009, 03:23:15 PM
So now, Christianity is criminal?
One actions are the manifestation of their beliefs.

Christianity is only a schism of Judaism.  A Jew is a criminal because they manifest Judaism.  A Christian, which is a Jew by another name, manifests the same criminality as a Jew.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: NOLAJBS on May 28, 2009, 03:24:06 PM
I have not acknowledged him. I acknowledged you.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: E_T on May 28, 2009, 03:25:55 PM
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I have not acknowledged him. I acknowledged you.

This is the acknowledgment I was referring to.

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13040.msg114920#msg114920

Click back a few posts from there... it is on the divulging info against Brendon issue...

which had nothing to do with that poggy crap issue.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: NOLAJBS on May 28, 2009, 03:30:42 PM
That post was not in acknowledgment of his (wrong)doings described in your post. I believe this point is moot.

Furthermore, in my absence, LoneWolf's eyes were on this entire drama from start to finish.
Title: Re: Forum poster 'Quo Todt' charged with "hate speech" in Australia
Post by: WindRiverShoshoni on May 28, 2009, 03:32:30 PM
He stumbled into some information about your favorite people that made him angry.

He's paranoid and delusional.

He couldn't find his ass with both hands.


Probably.  That's what the information he found played into ~ it was already there.  He never got the Good News, it appears, although he thinks he did.  Whose fault is that?

Brendon and "information"?

It's like a chimp with a loaded handgun.


Yep.  That's what your favorite people have to deal with ~ chimps with loaded handguns.  They're everywhere.

If they start acting on their violent impulses, we'll just stick 'em in jail.

Where they belong.


I'll be happy to help you escape them when the jails are too full and there are too few of you to deal with the problem that way.  If it costs me my life to provide refuge, that's fine ~ God t