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Re: Archaeologists report finding oldest Hebrew text
« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2008, 04:37:32 PM »
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You need to spend more time finding the 'good jews.'
There is a place for them in line.



In a bulletin put out by the Young Men`s Hebrew Association of Washington Heights, N. Y., there is contained the following bold statement of Jewish allegiance. `Here is Our Pledge, Israel: I pledge my loyalty to God, to the Torah and to the Jewish people and to the Jewish state.`
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"Similarly, we light our Chanukah candles, we send light out into the world,
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Re: Archaeologists report finding oldest Hebrew text
« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2008, 11:48:24 PM »
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Nice way to put it. The Lost Tribes of Liberty Forum.

Thanks, grizzle.
One day we will reunite and assume control of some forum, rewrite its history, take over some countries and then expand our empire and just as we are about to be exposed our forum will be taken down, scattering us again and the whole process will repeat endlessly unless....

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Re: Archaeologists report finding oldest Hebrew text
« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2008, 11:59:48 PM »
Hi Sunflower!
Somehow you managed to find an interesting page on Papyrus I missed!

sushigirl writes:
Did I ever tell you that I stitched a beautiful Sunflower? It turned out
so lovely, I had it framed. I will take a picture of it and try to upload it one of these days. I miss my sunflowers, I have no place to plant any.

No you did not.
I'm just devastated. If I had a shrink I would be calling him right now.
And you even framed it?
A sweet innocent Sunflower...
Oh my [deity of choice]!
:)
Oh, it wasn't a real one. Well that's not so bad.

After this season I have realized it is illogical to plant Sunflowers where they cannot follow the Sun all day long. That is what happened to Kyrie. First, total morons near where I live were attacking my Sunflowers for no reason. They were helpless babies. So of the hundreds of seeds I planted I dug up the last 30 that they didn't snap off and transplanted them to my balcony where they were out of reach and a few small ones came inside and the 3 strongest went at the front of the garden. They did incredibly well, especially for transplants but from the start I saw the problem. They could sense the Sun early in the morning but then it was behind a building all day long until mid afternoon and by then it was too late for the motor cells at the base of the flower to catch up so they did what they do near maturity and just stayed pointing east to the First Sun. These are very intelligent plants.

Notice the small petals on the left of the Sunflower picture you posted how they are smaller and improperly formed. If I am not mistaken she had the same problem as Kyrie. Until the last few weeks she had a partial circle on the left side where the petals did not open or form completely and the seeds were not forming. I talked with her one day and told her I was sorry for planting her there but it was the best I could do. I asked her to open up and flower fully and told her how much I love her and how beautiful she is and I reached up and touched her and which I could barely reach to do as by then she was close to 7 ft. Within a couple of days she completely opened up and grew those petals! So now I don't know if I will plant any here outside next year.
Kyrie was so beautiful and she reached 10 ft.


Kyrie's graceful petals and top leaves flow in the breeze as an Angel with wings.
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Re: Archaeologists report finding oldest Hebrew text
« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2008, 12:18:23 AM »
Years ago, I used to feed sunflower seeds to the squirrels at my dad's (by the 25 pound bag). Every squirrel in the neighborhood came to eat after a while, so I had to start spreading them around to avoid squabbling. They seemed to enjoy the plenty in the middle of winter. Come spring, the backyard turned into a field of sunflowers from the leftover seeds, so they always had some.
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Re: Archaeologists report finding oldest Hebrew text
« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2008, 12:34:06 AM »
Iron Webmaster writes:
You can either flag me or wait until I find you which I have. What can I do for you? ;)

I did flag you to my reply to jola's post informing me of your presence 2 posts above here as you've already noticed.

It seems such a shame to waste a whole flag. Is there a way to undo a flag? I guess it will just get recycled.

Thanks for this new link. My focus seems to have kept me from visiting your site index when I first encountered it.

As a child you probably loved doing puzzles with over 1,000 pieces. The ones that interested me had only a couple of hundred pieces at most. I would wait until my younger sister had a bunch of it together then I would come along and finish it piece by piece without going wrong.

With this puzzle, the pieces are innumerable, in motion and there are hidden forces mutating them along a complex trail misleading us out of the past. Aside from deceptions for power and gain, a mechanicalness within the whole fabric is being unthreaded.

To come to an accurate all encompassing understanding of what is, and communicate it is a daunting challenge as you are well aware. I admire your courage and analytic style rendering complex debate simple.

Your efforts are very helpful to me in formulating my own questions. What is learned of the OT this way will help with the NT also, which is of greater interest to me.

BTW, if you need articles proofread for grammar and spelling just send me a link and I will be pleased to help with that.

I will explore more of your site.

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Re: Archaeologists report finding oldest Hebrew text
« Reply #45 on: November 15, 2008, 01:21:33 AM »
Hey, hey. ;D

Polak is MIA. Miss him. The Jews probably have him locked up by now for denying their superiority and proving daily their idiocy.  You're next, bud.

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Re: Archaeologists report finding oldest Hebrew text
« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2008, 01:35:22 AM »
Around here if you so much as throw a nut shell on the ground the squirrels will later find it and dig there looking for buried treasure. Maybe sometime Liberty_Burning and you and I should get together and trade squirrel stories.

Normally I use scroogle.org but for this I need the google cache since LF has vaporized.
A google on this query:
site:libertyforum.org sushi_girl +squirrels
returns 333 links and for Liberty_Burning, possibly with the most squirrel stories of anyone who has ever lived to curse a squirrel, there is only 1 small page. And nothing is cached.

site:libertyforum.org Liberty_Burning +squirrels

I wonder if Google is purging its cache of LF?
None of these links are cached.

Liberty_Burning (freedom fighter) 03/11/07 05:49 AM .... Last year I grew sunflowers...squirrels got at them & ate the entire blossoms even before seed ...
Liberty_Burning (freedom fighter) 03/13/07 11:24 AM .... up in my yard when I stopped pushing a mower across it... and birds and squirrels also moved in. ...
Liberty_Burning ..... Finally, when the squirrels began nibbling on my equipment, I just had ...
Liberty_Burning ... To keep squirrels from eating your plants sprinkle your plants with ...
Liberty_Burning, Dunrobin, .... was a distinct step up from eating squirrels and stealing watermelons. ...

Also, this is on topic since someone posted about Soros in a nutshell.


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Re: Archaeologists report finding oldest Hebrew text
« Reply #47 on: November 15, 2008, 07:46:16 PM »
The sunflower is on the way!!!
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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Re: Archaeologists report finding oldest Hebrew text
« Reply #48 on: November 15, 2008, 08:12:57 PM »
Also, this is on topic since someone posted about Soros in a nutshell.

LOL... You don't miss, huh? :-)))
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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Re: Archaeologists report finding oldest Hebrew text
« Reply #49 on: November 15, 2008, 10:03:14 PM »
>It seems such a shame to waste a whole flag. Is there a way to undo a flag? I guess it will just get recycled.

You simply press the undo key and all is forgiven.

>As a child you probably loved doing puzzles with over 1,000 pieces.

Of course but only picture side down to make it a challenge.

>With this puzzle, the pieces are innumerable, in motion and there are hidden forces mutating them along a complex trail misleading us out of the past. Aside from deceptions for power and gain, a mechanicalness within the whole fabric is being unthreaded.

The OT and bible in general is not so much a puzzle as forgetting all the cultural baggage that comes with it. Every bit of progress I have made on it is learning to ignore the things I knew that were not true. Every time I try to talk about it to defenders I get little more than a repeat of material that does not say what they were told it means. A critical response is quite rare.

>Your efforts are very helpful to me in formulating my own questions. What is learned of the OT this way will help with the NT also, which is of greater interest to me.

The historical support of the NT is really where I started but have not written up much of it. An important thing to keep in mind is that Christos means anointed. ALL religions in the empire had anointing as a ceremony. So reading about a pious translation of Christos or Chrestos as Christian really only means anointed which could be anyone. There are no "jesusites" or jesusians" mentioned in any ancient literature. So read the entire story of any mention of them. Every time I have I have found they are not described in a manner that would identify them as christians.

The next thing is Jesus is at most a hood ornament for a religion that has nothing to do with the teachings attributed to him. Look into the requirements for conversion to Christianity. It is a long list of beliefs, none of which is attributed to Jesus.

>BTW, if you need articles proofread for grammar and spelling just send me a link and I will be pleased to help with that.

I appreciate the offer. I know I need a good editor. I tend to read my own material as I intended instead of as I wrote it. Decades ago a girl friend who was a transcriptionist recognized my typing problem instantly. My head gets ahead of my fingers. So there are missing words and mixed words. The draft material I do not even run through a spell checker. I am trying to correct the problem myself. But if you find really dumb grammar errors I will appreciate it no matter how much I grumble.;)

And just for fun ...

        The following names are applied to local variations of a single
goddess, Ishtar, Isis, Ashara, Astarte, Aphrodite, Venus. These are the same
not just by name similarity but because the fundamental myths about them are
variations upon the same story. The same applies to the male gods.

        The following names are applied to local variations of a single god,
Adonis, Attis, Osiris, Tammuz, Mithras and as we shall see, Jesus. Under the
first five names legend attributes him great physical beauty and hunting
skills. Jesus by tradition had perfect physical form and was a fisher of
men.

        In the Hebrew bible the first commandment reads "I Adoni am your
god." Adoni is the word translated as lord in the Christian version. In
Greek Adon is lord. The oldest known version of the Old Testament is the
Greek Septuagint.  When the Hebrew version was created it kept the Adoni as
the name of the god for some of the books although it generally defaults to
Yahweh Elohim. Yahweh is translated into lord in English and Elohim as the
singular god although it clearly has the plural suffix, im.

        Yahweh and Ashara are a pair of deities found in the records of
Ugarit. An inscription referring to Yahweh and his Ashara has been found in
bibleland.

        Adonis is the husband of Venus. In this imagining Adonis is the son
of King Cinyras and either the king's daughter, Myrrha, or Astarte herself.
Astarte as Venus falls in love with Adonis. Mars becomes jealous of Adonis,
turns into a boar and kills Adonis. Venus travels to Hades (he descended in
to hell) to retrieve him. Pluto's wife is also in love with him and they
agree each will have him half the year. Venus gets the summer so this is
celebrated on the Vernal Equinox as is Easter, the name Easter coming from
Ishtar.

        It takes Astarte two days to broker this deal so he can be
resurrected. This explains the reason Christians insist upon three days in
the tomb -- from old testament prophecy -- while having only two calendar
days between death and resurrection which is from existing religious custom.

        The Egyptian imagining of this story has Amun, Isis, Osiris and Set
as the main players. Amun is the chief god of Egypt who made the first men
out of clay. He was portrayed with the head of a ram, thus the Shofar horn.
He came before the other gods as does Adoni in the first commandment.

        Plutarch, in his Lives ("Alcibiades," XVIII), speaking of the
sailing of the Greek fleet for Syracuse in the year 415 B.C., says: "It was
an evil omen that the festival of Adonis fell in those days. Numbers of
women bore images, like dead bodies, and held mock funerals; and they
mourned and chanted the solemn hymns."

        Thus the festival of Adonis was well established at least four
centuries before the earliest incarnation of the Jesus story. The story
itself is much older. The Egyptian imagining is found on much older wall
inscriptions.

        Most Christians accept the doctrine of the Trinity which holds
Yahweh and Jesus are the exactly the same god for this reason. One wonders
if Ishtar is the Holy Spirit which connects the two names -- an eternal love
triangle so to speak. The Holy Spirit is depicted as a dove. Ashara's
symbol was primarily the tree but also the dove.

        The name Easter comes from the goddess Ishtar the wife of Adonis
under the name of Attis. This is a vernal equinox celebration.

        BYT YHWH and BYT STRT both refer to buildings in Jerusalem. They are
translated as Temple of Yahweh, YaHWeH, and Temple of Astarte, aSTaRTe.
Idols of Astarte and of the divine pair, Astarte and Yahweh, are found at
all levels in Jerusalem and around Judea. They abruptly stop appearing in
Jerusalem after Judeans (Iodiminae, commonly translated as Jews in English)
are forbidden to enter Jerusalem by Hadrian.

        It is reported her temple there had eight sides suggesting the grand
mosque on the so-called temple mount was built on the foundation of her
temple. Or perhaps it was merely renovated.

        The Christian story of Jesus is simply another imagining of the
common tale.  Consider it a puritanical version leaving out the explicit
sex.

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        Spare the rod and spoil the child.
        Spare the flail and spoil the child.
        Thy flail and thy staff do comfort me.

Image of King of Egypt with crossed arms and symbols.

=====

        Purim is a classic Cinderella tale which comes in many forms some of
which are barely recognizable from the Disney version. Esther, a variation
on Ishtar from which we get Easter, is set in the last of the known
civilized world to the east where both the sun and Venus/Ishtar also rise.

=====

        Far from being devoid of Vernal Equinox celebrations, the prophet
Mohamed was born close enough to it in some calendar that it does not
matter. The odd thing is male rather than female. Likely it replaced the
birth of some female deity.

=====

        The story of Job is a dialog between Amun/Yahweh and Ra/Lucifer.

=====

        Angels, aka messengers, are depicted as having wings as the ancients
gods used birds as messengers. The most commonly used bird was an owl, a
bird that appears to be standing upright when it perches. This is why angels
are depicted as having wings.

=====

        Powerful rulers claimed to be gods in those days which seems
incongruous to us with our idea of God. But people did not expect much from
any particular god in the old days.

        The claim to being a god was most commonly base upon the power of
life and death. The gods sent a angels, messengers, of death. Kings ordered
their messengers to kill. Also gods did not bring the dead back to life so
neither was that a requirement for kings. Similarly gods did not bring
inanimate objects to life so that was no expected of kings. Each god had
different powers (like the X-Men) and most were simply influential without
the power to force so a king did not have to do more than influence.

=====

        The Apis Bull of Egypt was selected as one being completely black
except of a single white mark between its horns. It was not sacrificed and
was connected with the patron god of Memphis.

        Jews connect a heifer with the arrival of their Messiah. It must be
completely red. It is intended for sacrifice. It is possibly connected with
the patron god of Jerusalem.


1.9 GB of pure vanity

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back.
That is all you need to know about the conflict. All the rest is distraction.
See the new biopic, Jesus Christ: Lust for Glory!

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Re: Archaeologists report finding oldest squirrel text
« Reply #50 on: November 15, 2008, 10:31:21 PM »
Squirrels live in colonies when food is plentiful. Some of the finest nature studies have been done putting pills of nuts and seeds midway between two colonies and recording the ensuing bloodshed. It was not until the improvements in night vision equipment in the 1990s that the first late night ninja style raids of one colony on another were first recorded. The film of the black clothed ninja squirrels sliding down vines to attack another colony received the Sundance nature film award in 1997.
1.9 GB of pure vanity

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back.
That is all you need to know about the conflict. All the rest is distraction.
See the new biopic, Jesus Christ: Lust for Glory!

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Re: Archaeologists report finding oldest Hebrew text
« Reply #51 on: November 15, 2008, 11:48:48 PM »
Very nice.

This was the last picture I took before we sold the place.

"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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Re: Archaeologists report finding oldest Hebrew text
« Reply #52 on: November 16, 2008, 01:27:11 AM »
Hey, hey. ;D

Polak is MIA. Miss him. The Jews probably have him locked up by now for denying their superiority and proving daily their idiocy.  You're next, bud.

 :o  ;)

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Re: Archaeologists report finding oldest Hebrew text
« Reply #53 on: November 16, 2008, 12:50:06 PM »
<center>[img width= height=]http://www.giwersworld.org/images/squirrel-meat.jpg[/img]</center>
1.9 GB of pure vanity

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back.
That is all you need to know about the conflict. All the rest is distraction.
See the new biopic, Jesus Christ: Lust for Glory!

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Re: Archaeologists report finding oldest Hebrew text
« Reply #54 on: November 16, 2008, 02:39:35 PM »
The squirrels will sharpen their teeth upon your bones.
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Re: Archaeologists report finding oldest Hebrew text
« Reply #55 on: November 16, 2008, 06:57:27 PM »
I know of only one squirrel that has the balls to do that.
1.9 GB of pure vanity

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back.
That is all you need to know about the conflict. All the rest is distraction.
See the new biopic, Jesus Christ: Lust for Glory!