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Re: To everyone who is a racist: How's it feel to have a black president?
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2008, 11:38:11 AM »
Number 4.  No more grants and funds to teach you how to read your freebie forms.  Figure it out yourselves or do without.  That is what the rest of us have to do.

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« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2008, 11:42:23 AM »
The Amerinds actually have been fucked over. Despite having mineral-rich land which is being mined, logged and drilled all over the place, most tribes live at or below the poverty line.
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« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2008, 11:43:30 AM »
Good!  Let them live on their own and live poor.
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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2008, 11:46:54 AM »
And Vinny? 

No more of this crap either!  NULL AND VOID!   Let your Jews find someone else to gouge. 

Monday, April 7, 2008
'Special master' may determine American Indian payouts
Mon April 7, 2008
'Special master' may determine American Indian payouts
By Chris Casteel
Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON `” If a federal judge agrees that the government owes Indian trust account holders billions of dollars, he would then have to determine how the money should be allocated among nearly 300,000 people, their attorney said.

The American Indians suing the government over the way their accounts have been managed asked U.S. District Judge James Robertson to approve $58 billion in "relief" to the trust. According to the plaintiffs, the government benefited improperly by that amount over more than 100 years by not paying out all of the money collected for Indian trust account holders.

But the brief filed last month does not suggest how the money should be distributed. There are about 280,000 American Indians with government-run trust accounts. Most have land-based accounts; they own land and can collect money from leasing it for oil and gas drilling, grazing, mining or other uses.

There are an estimated 53,000 account holders in Oklahoma.

Dennis Gingold, one of the lead attorneys for the Indians in the case, which has been in federal court here for nearly 12 years, said last week, "The allocation issues are determined by the court, not by us."
Gingold said if Robertson decides the government owes money to trust account holders, he may then appoint an expert, or "special master," to make recommendations to him about distributing the money.

"Most courts don't want to be caught up in that kind of detail," Gingold said.

The Interior Department is expected to submit a response this week to the Indians' argument that the government should pay $58 billion in "equitable relief" to the trust account holders.

Complex trustAt a hearing in March, a government attorney argued to Robertson that the case should not involve any financial remedies because the suit filed in 1996 didn't seek damages. Robert E. Kirschman, a Justice Department attorney, said the plaintiffs sought reforms of the system and an accounting of their funds.

Robertson, the second district judge to preside over the case, ruled this year that an accurate accounting would be impossible.

The trust account system was set up in the late 19th century when millions of acres `” estimates range from 40 million to 54 million `” were allotted in parcels to individual Indians and the government promised to manage the land. Counting land owned by tribes, it is the biggest trust in the United States.

Gingold called it "the most complex trust in the United States" since it involves so many people and so many activities `” such as oil and gas drilling `” and said it's being run by people with no expertise in trust management.

Two U.S. district judges and the U.S. Court of Appeals here have ruled that the government failed to properly manage the trust.

Since ruling that an accounting was impossible, Robertson, anxious to resolve the controversial and highly contentious case in the next few months, has been looking for a remedy.

Gingold said last week, "Where an accounting is impossible, you're looking at real rough justice."

The government's own figures, he said, show that an average of 65 percent of the money collected for the Indians has been paid out. While holding on to the rest `” more than $3 billion `” the government has been able to lower its borrowing costs to finance its debt. Spread out over more than 100 years, that has allowed the government to benefit to the tune of $58 billion, the Indians say.
Gingold said he expected the government to argue that Robertson can't award damages against the federal government. But he said the Indians aren't asking for damages.

"We're seeking the benefit the government gained as a result of its breach of trust," Gingold said. "You're not allowed to benefit from your improper accounting."

The Indians are also asking that Robertson return all the land originally in the trust unless the government could prove it was sold at fair market value. Of the original acreage `” much of which was in what is now Oklahoma `” only about 10 million acres remain.

Gingold said he expects the judge to say that it wasn't practical to try to return land sold to third parties. But he said the judge could look at land that was owned by Indians that is now being used by the government.

Robertson has scheduled a trial for early June on the proposals for resolving the case.
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Re: To everyone who is a racist: How's it feel to have a black president?
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2008, 11:48:49 AM »
If they had control of the minerals, logging, etc., they would be doing quite well. The book You Are Being Lied To, edited by Russ Kick of Disinfo.com, has a good article in which the leader of an Amerind group came upon a govt adminstrator who was tasked with keeping records of resources taken out of Indian lands. She was shredding documents by the truckload. She has been subpoenaed, but in the age of Bush, she'll never be made to appear in court.
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« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2008, 11:51:03 AM »
So would we. 

Too bad!  Let them gouge someone else, he wants to gloat.  Let him gloat and pay his way.
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Re: To everyone who is a racist: How's it feel to have a black president?
« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2008, 11:59:07 AM »
A brother?...You mean Black...Obama is half-breed...My problem with Obama has nothing to do with color...My problem with him is that he is a puppet, and a front man, just like Bush...I don't consider Obama to be an American; he is something else...After working at the polls all day yesterday, I came home around midnite, just after McCain gave his concession speech...This is what I heard from 'commentators' on MSNBC and PBS: 'Obama is the harbringer of a new era, one where, in America, the collective will take priority over the individual...Obama will be at the helm as America makes painful adjustments...Even in Europe, the Obama era is seen as being the one heralding a new world collective effort to address our problems'...Almost in those exact words.

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Re: To everyone who is a racist: How's it feel to have a black president?
« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2008, 12:00:20 PM »
I'm sorry Vinny.  Here is a blanket as a token of my apology.  (be sure and rub it all over you.)

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« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2008, 12:06:39 PM »
Yes I heard all that too.   ::)

The word "painful" never brings out the best in me.
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Re: To everyone who is a racist: How's it feel to have a black president?
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2008, 12:07:51 PM »
Obama was born as a bastard child, and now Obama has been elected as the bastard president.

Not until  the Federal government provides proof that Obama is a natural born citizen, he will remain illegitimate.  The United States is heading towards a Constitutional crisis, which will create a legal  coup d'etat, where the federal government under Obama will become TOTALLY illegitimate.

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Re: To everyone who is a racist: How's it feel to have a black president?
« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2008, 12:11:10 PM »
For me, Obama's color is not an issue. It was one for the people who elected him.+

I could care less about the man's skin color. If he stood for the Constitution, I would back him. Hope we find Obama's birth certificate...

It's not over..

He is not president yet..........

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Re: To everyone who is a racist: How's it feel to have a black president?
« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2008, 12:14:56 PM »
OPRAH is on or will be soon, I dont know your time zone.  Watch it, it is the issue, the skin color is the issue.

It would not have been for me either had they not made it the issue.  I can't count the times I've heard "Civil Rights Era."  They couldn't bring up anymore dead issues so they had to do this to keep trouble stirring.

We are in between a rock and a hard spot.
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« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2008, 12:32:55 PM »
america : We are in between a rock and a hard spot.

Actually the Federal government is.  It will be the first time in history that a legal  coup d'etat will make the federal government under Obama become TOTALLY illegitimate.  A civil war without shooting a shot, where the only legitimate government will revert back to the states. 

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« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2008, 12:36:29 PM »
As a citizen in this country what happens to the Federal Gov happens to me. 
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« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2008, 12:47:31 PM »
Actually, the constitution was an agreement between the signors, created for their posterity.   Sorry to break the news, but unless one of the signors is your  progenitor, this is not your country and never will be.

To be a citizen, under this contract, is to be a slave.

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Re: To everyone who is a racist: How's it feel to have a black president?
« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2008, 01:37:35 PM »
harbringer

Damn,. And I try so hard to be the harbringer (har har).
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Re: To everyone who is a racist: How's it feel to have a black president?
« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2008, 02:12:58 PM »
it feels great to have another zionist president!
good to know there's another one waiting in the wings too
just in case there's, uh, trouble.

Although ostensibly from an Irish/American background, Biden is also an avowed Zionist on record as saying 'You don't have to be a Jew to be a Zionist'.
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« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2008, 02:20:49 PM »
Now I just have to laugh!...A supoposed 'Indian' states how proud he is of helping to elect the first lack president...And, oh, 'you rascists from LF'...Then you post the come back about Jews horning in to manage $58 Billion in 'reparations' money owed to the Indians...Anyone who has followed the history of 'Indian Casinos' is aware that the Jews have run the whole operation from the git...Yeah, a few 'Injuns' make a buck, but the bulk goes to the Jews & Israel...Now is the time to demand repayment from Israel for the trillions that have disappeared into Ashkenazistan.

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« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2008, 02:44:01 PM »
I inherited it.
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« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2008, 02:46:29 PM »
Sure, the Jews have both hands opened.  They rip off the Indian with one hand and sue the government for doing so with the other.  However, if we quit paying anyone for anything, then we can live up to our image and scatter the stray cats.
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