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- Obama told Netanyahu of plan on Syria before public announcement: Officials
« Reply #2440 on: September 01, 2013, 06:25:56 PM »

RW - Wow, what a shock - the minion checking in with his boss. The anonymous Israeli officials are just telling everyone who is in charge. Rubbing our face in it as a matter of fact. Let's get real here - it wasn't Obama 'informing' Netanyahu, it was Netanyahu instructing Obama.

These were my first thoughts too, but then I thought, this might be the jews' half-assed attempt at damage control, by intimating that O had to get the go ahead from Nutty before going public.

Something's falling apart here in the course of events - this Syria thing is not going according to plan, clearly. Thus the scramble by the jews to make it clear to the rest of us that they're "in charge"...even though they may be losing their grip, and fast. Just putting on the mask and acting like nothing's wrong. Fake it till ya make it, and all that. I guess they're using that credible PressTV to get the point across. After all, a so-called "Iranian" media source wouldn't be compromised, would it?  ::)
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- Obama told Netanyahu of plan on Syria before public announcement: Officials
« Reply #2441 on: September 01, 2013, 07:20:31 PM »
These were my first thoughts too, but then I thought, this might be the jews' half-assed attempt at damage control, by intimating that O had to get the go ahead from Nutty before going public.

That is why this is coming from 'top Israeli officials' 'who were speaking on condition of anonymity'. As you say, damage control in which they are putting on the appearance of being in control though the Israelis are implying that Obama is the one initiating a stand down. Throwing it to congress is a stall as I'm sure the bombings would have begun Thursday, congress or no congress.

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Something's falling apart here in the course of events - this Syria thing is not going according to plan, clearly. Thus the scramble by the jews to make it clear to the rest of us that they're "in charge"...even though they may be losing their grip, and fast. Just putting on the mask and acting like nothing's wrong. Fake it till ya make it, and all that. I guess they're using that credible PressTV to get the point across. After all, a so-called "Iranian" media source wouldn't be compromised, would it?  ::)

Something Putin said perhaps? The Syrian military was clear they were prepared and ready to retaliate. Putin has pointed his finger at Saudi Arabia but perhaps there was some below the radar talk that included Israel in the scope of retaliation? What I don't get is why Kerry and McCain are still in ballistic mode. I'm sure those two would have gotten the word well before Obama.
They are robably just acting out for the sake of their public appearnce.

Something has definitely spooked the Israelis.
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« Reply #2442 on: September 01, 2013, 08:46:56 PM »
We're just looking at the final transition of communism taking over the world stage. Gorbachav told the Soviet that the transition to the Russian Federation was merely a show. So we'll have communist russia, nk, and china knock out NATO and control the world. Now whether this is going as the Jews had planned it is undetermined, but I think they could care less about whether Israel is wiped out since their natural home is among their victims.
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USS Nimitz aircraft carrier group rerouted to help US strike on Syria
« Reply #2443 on: September 01, 2013, 10:52:33 PM »
USS Nimitz aircraft carrier group rerouted to help US strike on Syria, if needed - report

Published time: September 01, 2013 23:41
Edited time: September 02, 2013 01:22
source: http://rt.com/news/us-aircraft-carrier-red-sea-286/


Guided Missile Destroyer USS Barry (DDG 52) sails alongside the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman
(AFP Photo / US NAVY / Andrea Decanini)


The nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS Nimitz along with four destroyers and a cruiser have been ordered to move west in the Arabian Sea toward the Red Sea, so that it can help support a US strike on Syria if requested, a US official told Reuters.

“It's about leveraging the assets to have them in place should the capabilities of the carrier strike group and the presence be needed,” the official told Reuters, adding that it was not clear when the ships would enter the Red Sea.

The Nimitz carrier group was supporting the US war in Afghanistan and was due to return to its home port in Everett, Washington, after being released from duty by the USS Harry S. Truman strike group.

Considering the volatile situation and a looming decision on a Syria strike, US military officials have decided to send the Nimitz toward the Red Sea, and possibly the Mediterranean, the source said.

Another US official told Reuters that so far there was not a final decision to reposition the carrier group to the Mediterranean, and that the Navy is trying to “reduce the physics of time and space” to be ready for a possible call to arms.

Over the weekend a US amphibious transport ship USS San Antonio was also deployed to the Mediterranean. Although it has “received no specific tasking” it was rerouted to a US naval base on the Greek island of Crete.

The US Navy already has five destroyers in the eastern Mediterranean carrying an estimated load of 200 Tomahawk missiles. The naval presence was boosted over the past week in anticipation of an imminent US attack.

In the coming week, while US lawmakers will be discussing the prospects of a “limited military strike” requested by the commander-in-chief, military officials are expected to use the delay in military action to decide on the location of other US ships in the region.

The US President has already decided a limited military strike is necessary to teach Syria a lesson and prevent possible further use of chemical weapons against the Syrian population and US allies in the region. A formal request seeking authorization from legislators to launch a military campaign was filed on Saturday, and the Senate is expected to vote on the motion no later than the week of September 9. 

RW - It will be some while before it reaches the Mediterranean theater. Then there is the problem of Egypt having closed the Suez to military vessels...
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- Obama told Netanyahu of plan on Syria before public announcement: Officials
« Reply #2444 on: September 02, 2013, 12:59:23 AM »
That is why this is coming from 'top Israeli officials' 'who were speaking on condition of anonymity'. As you say, damage control in which they are putting on the appearance of being in control though the Israelis are implying that Obama is the one initiating a stand down. Throwing it to congress is a stall as I'm sure the bombings would have begun Thursday, congress or no congress.

Something Putin said perhaps? The Syrian military was clear they were prepared and ready to retaliate. Putin has pointed his finger at Saudi Arabia but perhaps there was some below the radar talk that included Israel in the scope of retaliation? What I don't get is why Kerry and McCain are still in ballistic mode. I'm sure those two would have gotten the word well before Obama.
They are robably just acting out for the sake of their public appearnce.

Something has definitely spooked the Israelis.

The only thing that would make the Jews give an order to the Brits and Americans to back down would be, to use the old cliche, a clear and present danger to the Jews in Israel. Russia hitting the KSA is total jew misdirection; the Jews would never order Britain and the USA to change the plan if Russia was to hit the KSA cause that action would work in favor of the Jews to rally support from the Muslim world against Russia. Mr. Putin knows better. In sum, an attack on Syria means an un-acceptable number of Jewish deaths in Israel. That's why the Jew Ed Miliban was assigned to stop the Brits, and that's why the Jews ordered Obama to go through the motions of pretending that it was/will be the Congress that said no. As for Kerry and McCain, they have to keep going through the motions cause doing otherwise would give the game away. The blame will be on Congress who will vote against bombing Syria.

Whew, that's settled. Now on to what the Jews will do next since they've lost this round?
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« Reply #2445 on: September 02, 2013, 01:30:34 AM »
A likely scenario after this lost jew round will be removing Madame Samantha Power from the UN and Obama as president and replacing him with the crypto Jew Biden. And of course many others who we've never heard of to be sure. It really is that serious and this is no time special Olympiads.
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Syria: Is it Really a Gas Field War?
« Reply #2446 on: September 02, 2013, 05:20:37 AM »
http://urbansurvival.com/blog/2013/09/02/syria-is-it-really-a-gas-field-war/

Posted on September 2, 2013
With US markets closed for the holiday, we can turn our attention to other developing matter this morning:

We have a somewhat speculative, but possible answer to one of the big question facing America right now:  “Was the administration’s decision to rope congress (belatedly) into the Syria debate, done with clean hands, or had something already happened which might indicate the Syrians have already deployed some high-tech Russian missiles and any first-strike could turn the region into a real powder keg?”

We get some hints in this direction from the (Google Translate) version of a report from the www.southlebanon.org site. In it, the group alleges the possible shoot-down of an American F-22 Raptor along with four Tomahawk missiles.  A key point in the translation: “The paper loss of U.S. forces to aircraft F-22 advanced north of Jordan, which hosts on its territory five F-22, was the main reason to postpone the process of aggression against Syria…”

Although the period leading up to any outbreak of hostilities is certainly a window where a lot of Tokyo Rose type misinformation is expected,  I noted in my (unusual) Saturday update, the president’s remarks were delayed 41-minutes from the announced time.  So the window is there for a quick “Oh-oh, shoot down – let’s kick it to Congress and tell them about this on background since it means Russian missile air defenses are in place and operational…” decision to have been made.

As of this morning, SecState John Kerry is gearing up his information campaign as the Obama administration seeks authorization to ask from Congress; a move which the Wall St. Journal’s online eds figure will be a defining task for the history books.

While we’re warming up the popcorn and beer, and adjusting CSPAN for the upcoming debate, we wonder whether the F-22 Raptor – sold as the current “best of class” weapons system – can be shot down – as this will be key in any conflict..

Unfortunately, as was reported back in 2007 here, the F-22 may be stealthy, alright, but dog fighting is still an art and lesser planes (with better pilots) can take out Raptors with real ‘surprise and overwhelm’ tactics.  Sure, computers are great, but stick and rudder is what dog fights are about.

Now let’s zoom out a ways:  We can sketch in the set-up for president Obama’s meeting day after tomorrow with Russia’s Vladimir Putin.  Russia may have become pseudo-democratic, but they haven’t axed their war making plans and, more to the point, with the backing of Russian oil oligarchs, they appear to have plans to dominate global energy  Leverage, leverage. How to do it?  Raw military power sold to friends… and new high tech arms.  A  sampling on their latest:

The Russians have a new ground defense missile system which is said in some respects to be superior to the US Patriot missile system.  It’s called “Vityaz” and it’s part of their new S-350E series.

Aviation Week has details on the system over here, as well, in its MAKS Notebook section.

While both the US and Russia will be busy the next couple of days tuning up their pose and posture for the Wednesday meeting, we see a number of other developments going on which will feed in to the conference.

One is the claim by a Syrian minister that a US strike on Syria would benefit al Qaeda.  Which, considering the whole WOT (war on terror) is based on demonizing that group just doesn’t make sense.  Except that the conflict is in the lands where ‘’The enemy of my enemy is my friend…’ so things get seriously twisted up in policy-making.

If you’re looking for logic, notice the position of the key power-player in the Arab world, the Saudis who are supportive of a strike on Syria.

So Why War, Why Now?

My hunch is that it’s all about Leviathan, or had you forgotten?  Remember that huge gas find announced in 2010 off Israel, Greece and Cyprus?

If you’re not aware of Leviathan, as most American’s aren’t, the Syrians wouldn’t seem to  have any major natural resources worth fighting over,  It could be dismissed as a kind of “so what?” country as the world plays out my 30+ year end-game Manufacturer’s Resource Wars scenario, which is now well underway.

imageIf we postulate that there’s usually an economic motivation behind warfare, since America doesn’t need more rocks and sand dunes,, we can see some very curious developments showing around the Leviathan gas fields off the coasts of Cyprus, Israel, Greece (and Lebanon).

According to Wikipedia (ref):

“Lebanon initially argued that the field extends into Lebanese waters. Lebanon’s Parliament Speaker Nabih Berri stated that Israel is “ignoring the fact that according to the maps the deposit extends into Lebanese waters,” Agence France-Presse reported on June 9.[11] Israeli Minister of National Infrastructures Uzi Landau responded “We will not hesitate to use our force and strength to protect not only the rule of law but the international maritime law,” in an interview. Robbie Sable, a professor of international law at Jerusalem’s Hebrew University, has stated that the claim may be complex due to Lebanon’s border with Israel being indented, making it harder to establish where Israel’s sea boundary ends and Lebanese waters begin.[11]

In August 2010, Lebanon submitted to the United Nations its official view regarding the maritime border, indicating that it considered the Tamar and Leviathan gas fields to be outside Lebanese territory (though it indicated other prospective fields in the region may be within Lebanese territory). The US expressed support for the Lebanon proposal.

Informed speculation would be that the Leviathan fields could extend even further north than presently mapped, and this would put resource off the Syrian coast, which is where the Russians have a sizeable naval installation, (Tartus) granted them by the Assad government.  So, naturally, they will defend the potential new gas fields to the west because Syria would no doubt like a piece.

The tripartite agreement on Leviathan – doesn’t mention Syria is a pisser because why? It’s not off Syria’s coast.

However, Lebanon is a big pain in the side of Syria.  Damascus sits actually well south of the Lebanese port city of Beirut and is thus land-locked.

With Peak Oil arriving, in a shark-tooth fashion, the Obama administration, aligned with Israel and the key energy player in the region, Saudi Arabia, has a keen interest in denying the Syrian- Russian group, and perhaps the Chinese longer term, access to key offshore energy resources, which will be utterly crucial on the backside of Peak Energy.

All of which begins to explain the criticality of Leviathan as a resource to be developed, and one which has a Russian naval base sitting less than 100-miles from prime drilling areas protecting a country whose capitol is barred from exploiting the resource because of the pesky independence of Lebanon, which the Syrians have been trying to eliminate for years.

In fact, Wikipedia points us to events aimed at establishing Syrian dominance of Lebanon just in the past eight years:

On 14 February 2005, former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri was assassinated in a car bomb explosion.[46] Leaders of the March 14 Alliance accused Syria of the attack,[47] while the March 8 Alliance and Syrian officials claimed that the Mossad was behind the assassination.[48] The Hariri assassination marked the beginning of a series of assassinations that resulted in the death of many prominent Lebanese figures.[nb 2]

The assassination triggered the Cedar Revolution, a series of demonstrations which demanded the withdrawal of Syrian troops from Lebanon and the establishment of an international commission to investigate the assassination. Under pressure from the West, Syria began withdrawing,[49] and by 26 April 2005 all Syrian soldiers had returned to Syria.[50][51]

The UNSC Resolution 1595 called for an investigation into the assassination.[52] The UN International Independent Investigation Commission published its preliminary findings on 20 October 2005 in the Mehlis report, which cited indications that the assassination was organized by Syrian and Lebanese intelligence services.[53][54][55][56]

On 12 July 2006, Hezbollah launched a series of rocket attacks and raids into Israeli territory, where they killed three Israeli soldiers and captured a further two.[57] Israel responded with airstrikes and artillery fire on targets in Lebanon, and a ground invasion of southern Lebanon, resulting in the 2006 Lebanon War. The conflict was officially ended by the UNSC Resolution 1701 on 14 August 2006, which ordered a ceasefire.[58] Some 1,191 Lebanese[59] and 160 Israelis[60] were killed in the conflict. Beirut’s southern suburb was heavily damaged by Israeli airstrikes where Hezbollah military infrastructure was deeply embedded among the civilian population.[61]

The continued support of the Syrians for Hezbollah is further evidence that the effort to destabilize the region is in play with major Russian support because this would give Vlad Putin even more control over the world energy picture.  On point, I trust you noticed the recent headlines in The Telegraph that  the “Saudis offer Russia secret oil deal if it drops Syria.”

Russia is playing the long game on energy and Syria is part of it.

I’ve laid this out for subscribers in recent weeks leading up into this event, but since you might have some “down-time” to actually let this sink in a bit, I decided to lay it out in simplified form because this is likely the kind of picture which the State Department will be painting for Congress when debate kicks off this week.

Whether the nerve gas in Syria was mishandled by rebels, possibly supplied by the Saudis, or whether the nerve gas was indeed lobbed in by Syrian forces loyal to Assad, the real deal to me seems like another energy play over a mega-field.

Wars are seldom about high moral ground anymore, or the US would have intervened in the Republic of Congo, Rwanda, or any of the other ethnic cleansings which have broken out periodically.  Where we do seem to be able to muster up some gumption is where cash is involved and energy resources on the scale of Leviathan will be more critical than you can imagine in less than 20-year’s time.

Marketing of wars is about making peace – at least that’s the sales pitch.  But under the covers it’s usually about making money -  or at least rounding up the resource to keep or expand a lifestyle – as appears the case here when you test fit the pieces.

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« Reply #2447 on: September 02, 2013, 05:42:17 AM »
laconas:

"It really is that serious and this is no time [for] special Olympiads."

No time for the lame ruler run around?  Has someone lost face that badly? 

I hope you're right about a sense of need for change and think yes, Joe has has sights set on the captain's chair, but  that might even backfire ... as they well know ... so the show must go on and Obama may well learn how little he has to say about what he has to do while being given a last chance sort of option in the form of orders to the president.

He'll take the option and still find himself in deep do-do, perhaps a scandal but not likely an accident or hit.  He'll be made to take a greater loss of face somehow.
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« Reply #2448 on: September 02, 2013, 06:20:13 AM »
Urban Survival Article:

"Marketing of wars is about making peace – at least that’s the sales pitch.  But under the covers it’s usually about making money -  or at least rounding up the resource to keep or expand a lifestyle – as appears the case here when you test fit the pieces."

Don't know about scoring oil and gas revenue by the 'coalition of the unconvincing', but giving Syria time to set up a counter strategy does certainly suggest this won't just go down as some shot across the bow - a term suggesting no real damage but mere warning.  Talk about misinformation to make military action palatable.

The other people who like extra time to set up their clandestine plans are neighbors to Syria's south, whose surprises include moves like attacking themselves from a rebel position in south Syria, cries of anguish to follow as a lead-in to a major US pummeling of Damascus.  They've even got some convincing actors saying the delay is awful, too.

 
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« Reply #2449 on: September 02, 2013, 10:40:12 AM »
McCain’s CIA Terrorists In Syria Being Wiped Out By Assad Army Forces.



Syrian Army eliminates [McCain's CIA Created] terrorists and their weapons in continued operations.

Units of the armed forces Sunday killed and injured members of an armed terrorist group on Raqqa-Aleppo road, most of them are non-Syrians, an official source told SANA reporter.

Army units, the source added, destroyed a number of heavy and medium machineguns and killed many terrorists on Kafr hamra-al-Lairamoun road and in Dahret Abdrabeh in the northwestern countryside of Aleppo.

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15 terrorists were killed and others were wounded as their den was targeted in Talet al-Shahid in al-Sheikh Saeed area.

Meanwhile, army units destroyed terrorists’ gatherings in the surrounding of the Central Prison of Aleppo and near al-Kindi Hospital to the north of the Industrial City on al-Maslamiyeh road.

Terrorists’ gatherings were also targeted in Kweiris village, al-Bab-al-Naqarin road and in Khan al-Assal area in the southwestern countryside and in the villages of al-Mansoura, Kafr Hamra, Mayer, Andan, Hreitan and al-Atareb in the northwestern countryside.

The source also mentioned that a unit of the armed forces destroyed terrorists’ dens and killed all the terrorists inside it in Banan al-Hoss village to the south of al-Sfeira in the southeastern countryside.

In Aleppo city, units of the armed forces clashed with members of a terrorist group in al-Sheikh Maqsoud and Bani Zaid and killed many of them. The army units also foiled an attempt by terrorists to infiltrate into al-Khalidiyeh and al-Rashidin neighborhoods, leaving them dead and wounded.

more here: http://politicalvelcraft.org/2013/08/12/mccains-cia-terrorists-in-syria-being-wiped-out-by-assad-army-forces/
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« Reply #2450 on: September 02, 2013, 10:52:16 AM »
Hot off the Press: Britain sold nerve gas chemicals to Syria



Posted: 02 Sep 2013 04:24 AM PDT

By Gilad Atzmon

If you want to know why PM Cameron was keen to launch an immediate attack on Syria while the UN mission was still collecting evidence on the ground, but then was very quick to scrap the idea all together, dailyrecord.co.uk provides the answer. Britain and Cameron’s government may as well be complicit in the unfolding tragedy.

Seemingly, British firms sold Syrian companies the chemical components needed for the production of chemical weapons, long after the beginning of the civil war.

“BRITAIN allowed firms to sell chemicals to Syria capable of being used to make nerve gas”

“Export licences for potassium fluoride and sodium fluoride were granted months after the bloody civil war in the Middle East began.”

According to the Daily Record, “the chemical export licences were granted by Business Secretary Vince Cable’s Department for Business, Innovation and Skills last January – 10 months after the Syrian uprising began. They were only revoked six months later, when the European Union imposed tough sanctions on Assad’s regime.” However, it is far from being clear yet who is responsible for the attack. There is clear evidence that Rebel forces also possessed chemical weapons. One of the possible explanations for the recent tragedy is that Syrian artillery shells hit rebels’ WMD storage and it was the explosion that spread the lethal substance that killed so many innocents. 

“Yesterday, politicians and anti-arms trade campaigners urged Prime Minister David Cameron to explain why the licences were granted.”

Dunfermline and West Fife Labour MP Thomas Docherty, who sits on the House of Commons’ Committees on Arms Export Controls, wrote to Cable:

“MPs will be horrified and furious that the UK Government has been allowing the sale of these ingredients to Syria.

“What the hell were they doing granting a licence in the first place?

“I would like to know what investigations have been carried out to establish if any of this
material exported to Syria was subsequently used in the attacks on its own people.”

The SNP’s leader at Westminster, Angus Robertson, MP, said: “Approving the sale of chemicals which can be converted into lethal weapons during a civil war is a very serious issue.

“We need to know who these chemicals were sold to, why they were sold, and whether the UK Government were aware that the chemicals could potentially be used for chemical weapons.

“The on-going humanitarian crisis in Syria makes a full explanation around these shady deals even more important.”

Today, I don’t feel so patriotic.
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France accuses Syria of 3 chemical attacks, Assad slams Western logic
« Reply #2451 on: September 02, 2013, 11:07:00 AM »
France accuses Syria of 3 chemical attacks, Assad slams Western logic

Published time: September 02, 2013 17:45
Edited time: September 02, 2013 18:54
source: http://rt.com/news/france-syria-chemical-report-324/


France's Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault.(Reuters / Benoit Tessier)

At least three chemical attacks were staged in Syria between April and August, a declassified French intelligence report claims, while President Bashar Assad said it was “illogical” for the government to launch a chemical weapons strike.

The declassified nine-page French intelligence report, issued by the country’s external and military services, suggests government forces loyal to President Assad were behind the attack, which took place on August 21 in eastern Ghouta, on the outskirts of Damascus.

The report alleges the strikes were directed from government-controlled areas to the east and west of Damascus and targeted rebel zones; the intelligence also describes "massive use of chemical agents" involved in the attack.

“Unlike previous attacks that used small amounts of chemicals and were aimed at terrorizing people, this attack was tactical and aimed at regaining territory," government sources commented to Reuters.

The source added that since then Assad’s forces had subsequently bombed the areas to erase evidence of strikes.

Moreover, the report alleges the Syrian government staged at least three chemical attacks since April, according to AFP, including those in the towns of Saraqib and Jobar in April. Those attacks appeared to have killed about 280 people.

The report was published on the websites of the French presidency, the Foreign Ministry and the Defense Ministry at 5 pm Paris time (7 pm GMT).

"We are going to give the MPs everything we have – classified until now – to enable every one of them to take on board the reality of the unacceptable attack," French Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault said Monday.


Syrian activists inspect the bodies of people they say were killed by nerve gas in the Ghouta region, in the Duma
neighbourhood of Damascus August 21, 2013.(Reuters / Bassam Khabieh)


French President Francois Hollande has backed a call from US President Barack Obama for a military strike against the Syrian government as a punitive response to the Aug. 21 chemical attack. However, after Obama requested an authorization from the Congress, France said they do not intend to act alone and intends to create a coalition for intervention in Syria.

"It's not for France to act alone. The president is continuing his work of persuasion to bring together a coalition without delay. This act cannot be left without a response," PM Ayrault reiterated after presenting an intelligence report on Syria to lawmakers, his defense and foreign ministers, intelligence and security officials.

"France is determined to penalize the use of chemical weapons by Assad's regime and to dissuade [further attacks] with a forceful and firm response," Ayrault said. "The objective is neither to topple the regime nor to liberate the country," he said, adding that only a political solution in Syria was possible.

Ayrault also said no vote was scheduled for Wednesday’s parliamentary debate on the Syrian conflict, as the government was sure that forces loyal to Assad were responsible for the suspected chemical attack. The French constitution doesn't require a vote for the president to be able to authorize military action, Ayrault added.

Assad slams ‘illogical’ accusations of chemical attacks

Meanwhile, Syrian President Bashar Assad has derided allegations from the West that his government was behind alleged chemical attacks in the country.  He challenged the world to provide “the slightest proof” he had used chemical weapons against his own people, and questioned the logic behind such accusations.

“Supposing that our army wants to use weapons of mass destruction… Is it possible that it does so in an area that it is itself in, and where soldiers are wounded by these weapons, which UN inspectors noted while visiting hospitals in which they were treated. Where is the logic?” the Syrian leader said.

“We have challenged the United States and France to come up with a single piece of proof,” he told Le Figaro. “Obama and Hollande have been incapable of doing so.”


Syria's President Bashar al-Assad.(Reuters / SANA)

“Anybody who contributes to the financial and military reinforcement of terrorists is the enemy of the Syrian people. If the policies of the French state are hostile to the Syrian people, the state will be their enemy,” Assad said, adding that the French people themselves were not enemies, but the French government’s policies were regarded as hostile.

“There will be repercussions, negative ones obviously, on French interests,” he concluded.

Assad said that any military action from the country would spark negative repercussions on French interests, calling the region a “powder keg.”

“The whole world will lose control of the situation. Chaos and extremism will spread. The risk of a regional war exists,” he said. Assad’s comments came before the French intelligence report was published.

UN chemical attack investigation

The samples collected by the UN chemical investigation team of the suspected chemical attack in Ghouta are to be examined by the Swedish Defense Research Institute in the northern city of Umea, said Ake Sellstrom, who leads the investigation, Russian media reported.

Sellstrom rebuffed assumptions that the samples were not reliable due to too much time having elapsed after the attack. He noted that the material was collected in a short time, so there is a good chance for accurate analysis.

"It is rarely possible to collect samples after such a short time," Sellstrom said. The Defense Research Institute says the analysis of samples brought back from Syria will take about two weeks. Some samples will also be studied in Finland.

RW - Je d'accuse - the french weigh in regurgitating all the lies already debunked and an embarrassment to all those 'intelligence' agencies. I guess Cameron and Hague have scurried off stage till the next scene.
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« Reply #2452 on: September 02, 2013, 11:51:00 AM »
I don't think that President Bashar al-Assad would be that stupid.
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« Reply #2453 on: September 02, 2013, 01:09:58 PM »
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First of all, Kerry’s paternal grandparents were Jews named Ida Lowe and Fritz Kohn, who like many Jews in order to hide their identity, changed their surname to Kerry.

John Kerry’s father, Richard, (son of Ida and Fritz) was born in the Jewish area of Boston known as Brookline where John Kerry studied law at Boston College.


In '04, all of the Democrats vying for the nomination were knocking themselves out to claim Jew ancestry or show off their Jew wives to get their share of the campaign funds. 

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« Reply #2454 on: September 02, 2013, 01:42:49 PM »
In '04, all of the Democrats vying for the nomination were knocking themselves out to claim Jew ancestry or show off their Jew wives to get their share of the campaign funds.

I don't remember this Wulfgar, but I can believe it.
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« Reply #2455 on: September 02, 2013, 01:43:20 PM »
The only thing that would make the Jews give an order to the Brits and Americans to back down would be, to use the old cliche, a clear and present danger to the Jews in Israel. ....In sum, an attack on Syria means an un-acceptable number of Jewish deaths in Israel.

B-b-but, but....I thought that Iron Dome thingy was supposed to protect Israel from anything any of the Arab/Muslim states could throw at them?

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The blame will be on Congress who will vote against bombing Syria.

Funny, that. "Blaming" Congress for possibly finally taking a vote that actually represents majority public opinion. (Even if that isn't their main or only motive for voting against war.)

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Whew, that's settled. Now on to what the Jews will do next since they've lost this round?

Personally I think they'll go back to focusing on Iran. That's a round I think they already lost once, which is why they started focusing on Syria even though Eqypt, the more powerful and populous country right next door, is in total upheaval and breeding Islamic radicals by the second. Or maybe it will Egypt that's the next target for them to beg Uncle Suga to strikc.
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« Reply #2456 on: September 02, 2013, 01:47:33 PM »
Hot off the Press: Britain sold nerve gas chemicals to Syria
Yes, and Britain also sold plenty of plutonium to Israel to fuel its nuke arsenal. I wonder how Atzmon feels about that.


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Today, I don’t feel so patriotic.

Wow, a jew not feeling patriotic to his host nation. Imagine that.

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« Reply #2457 on: September 02, 2013, 01:55:59 PM »
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Wow, a jew not feeling patriotic to his host nation. Imagine that.

Gilad does not hide the fact that he is a Jew, but that does not make him a Zionist Jew, in fact, he despises them.
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German intelligence concludes sarin gas used on Assad’s orders – reports

Published time: September 02, 2013 19:06
Edited time: September 02, 2013 22:15
source: http://rt.com/news/germany-syria-sarin-intelligence-326/


The main entrance of Germany's intelligence agency Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND) headquarters is pictured in Pullach.
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The German intelligence agency has enough evidence in its possession to conclude President Bashar Assad ordered the suspected chemical attack in Syria, Germany’s Der Spiegel reports, quoting the results of a secret security briefing.

The BND’s President Gerhard Schindler voiced his support for US allegations Syrian President Bashar al-Assad‘s government ordered the attack on the eastern Damascus suburb of Ghouta on August 21, Der Spiegel reported Monday.

The intelligence agency’s chief said that following a thorough analysis his ministry assumes that the regime is the perpetrator of the chemical attack which killed hundreds of people.

Schindler reportedly said in the meeting only the Syrian government were in possession of such agents as sarin. The agency’s experts concluded it was used in large amounts in the Ghouta incident resulting in massive fatalities. Sarin is a neurotoxic gas, high doses of which can lead to paralysis, loss of consciousness, convulsions, respiratory failure, and eventually death.

According to Der Spiegel, a reason behind Assad’s decision to deploy the gas was that this was a crucial battle for the capital where the agent might have been meant as a deterrent against rebel forces, but mistakenly the military used too much of it.

In further conclusions, the BND said only Syrian government experts could mix sarin and place it inside small rockets. The process reportedly took place several times prior to the alleged attack which sparked the investigation.

The BND apparently cited new evidence to conclude the agent used was sarin, having intercepted communications between a high level Hezbollah official and Iran’s embassy.

In the tapped call, a doctor described details of patient symptoms specific to exposure to the internationally outlawed gas.

The German intelligence agency was surprised to hear the Hezbollah official saying that Assad had snapped, and had made a big mistake in going through ordering the use of poison gas. The Lebanese militant group has traditionally been viewed as Assad’s ally.

Germany is playing a fine balancing act over Syria, RT’s Peter Oliver reported, by “keeping their American allies happy by showing support in that direction, but also by trying to keep the German people happy, as an election is coming up in just a few weeks and opinion inside Germany has been predominantly anti-involvement in the Syrian conflict.”

Germany is trying to clarify its position as the situation goes on. Chancellor Angela Merkel said a few days ago that Germany would only take part in military intervention in Syria with a NATO mandate.

She was planning to talk with Russian President Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping at the next G20 meeting to find common ground on the Syrian conflict, Merkel said during a TV debate with her political rival Peer Steinbrueck.

"Germany cannot participate in any military intervention without a mandate from the United Nations, NATO or the EU," added Merkel, who is seeking re-election as chancellor for a third consecutive term in late September.

Oliver reported that Germany does not have this “balancing act down to a tee just yet”.

Last week the Foreign Minister issued a statement in English: “Germany will be among those calling for action to be taken.” An hour later it was withdrawn, the Foreign Ministry citing mistranslation.

The ministry came back saying that they would consider consequences perhaps in the future – a far more water downed version.

Also, according to a poll published Thursday, the German public opinion is against military action by the West in Syria, with about 69% opposed to any potential strikes, and only about 23% in favor of military intervention.

Previously, Germany was the first among leading European states that decided not to supply arms to the Syrian opposition.

RW - The German intelligence agency has absolutely nothing more than conjecture, which is thus far all we have been fed so far by way of evidence. Bullshit ubber facts.
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« Reply #2459 on: September 02, 2013, 04:40:26 PM »
That woman is a jew a-s-s-kisser. I have no respect for her whatsoever.

Angela Merkel – Rigid serial conformist and ruthless career technocrat. But perhaps most important of all, the European Union is headed by a former Communist control freak, with a penchant for ruthless disloyalty in order to get what she wants.

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