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Crossing Mayor Giuliani often had a price
« on: January 22, 2008, 12:44:47 PM »
Crossing Giuliani often had a price
While in office, Republican's toughness edged toward ruthlessness

THE LONG RUN
By Michael Powell and Russ Buettner
The New York Times | updated 6:59 a.m. CT, Tues., Jan. 22, 2008


Rudolph W. Giuliani likens himself to a boxer who never takes a punch without swinging back. As mayor, he made the vengeful roundhouse an instrument of government, clipping anyone who crossed him.

In August 1997, James Schillaci, a rough-hewn chauffeur from the Bronx, dialed Mayor Giuliani`s radio program on WABC-AM to complain about a red-light sting run by the police near the Bronx Zoo. When the call yielded no results, Mr. Schillaci turned to The Daily News, which then ran a photo of the red light and this front page headline: `GOTCHA!`

That morning, police officers appeared on Mr. Schillaci`s doorstep. What are you going to do, Mr. Schillaci asked, arrest me? He was joking, but the officers were not.

They slapped on handcuffs and took him to court on a 13-year-old traffic warrant. A judge threw out the charge. A police spokeswoman later read Mr. Schillaci`s decades-old criminal rap sheet to a reporter for The Daily News, a move of questionable legality because the state restricts how such information is released. She said, falsely, that he had been convicted of sodomy.

Then Mr. Giuliani took up the cudgel.

`Mr. Schillaci was posing as an altruistic whistle-blower,` the mayor told reporters at the time. `Maybe he`s dishonest enough to lie about police officers.`

Mr. Schillaci suffered an emotional breakdown, was briefly hospitalized and later received a $290,000 legal settlement from the city. `It really damaged me,` said Mr. Schillaci, now 60, massaging his face with thick hands. `I thought I was doing something good for once, my civic duty and all. Then he steps on me.`

Mr. Giuliani was a pugilist in a city of political brawlers. But far more than his predecessors, historians and politicians say, his toughness edged toward ruthlessness and became a defining aspect of his mayoralty. One result: New York City spent at least $7 million in settling civil rights lawsuits and paying retaliatory damages during the Giuliani years.

After AIDS activists with Housing Works loudly challenged the mayor, city officials sabotaged the group`s application for a federal housing grant. A caseworker who spoke of missteps in the death of a child was fired. After unidentified city workers complained of pressure to hand contracts to Giuliani-favored organizations, investigators examined not the charges but the identity of the leakers.

`There were constant loyalty tests: `˜Will you shoot your brother?` ` said Marilyn Gelber, who served as environmental commissioner under Mr. Giuliani. `People were marked for destruction for disloyal jokes.`

Mr. Giuliani paid careful attention to the art of political payback. When former Mayors Edward I. Koch and David N. Dinkins spoke publicly of Mr. Giuliani`s foibles, mayoral aides removed their official portraits from the ceremonial Blue Room at City Hall. Mr. Koch, who wrote a book titled `Giuliani: Nasty Man,` shrugs.

`David Dinkins and I are lucky that Rudy didn`t cast our portraits onto a bonfire along with the First Amendment, which he enjoyed violating daily,` Mr. Koch said in a recent interview.

Mr. Giuliani retails his stories of childhood toughness, in standing up to bullies who mocked his love of opera and bridled at his Yankee loyalties. Years after leaving Manhattan College, he held a grudge against a man who beat him in a class election. He urged his commissioners to walk out of City Council hearings when questions turned hostile. But in his 2002 book `Leadership,` he said his instructions owed nothing to his temper.

`It wasn`t my sensitivities I was worried about, but the tone of civility I strived to establish throughout the city,` he wrote. Mr. Giuliani declined requests to be interviewed for this article.

His admirers, not least former Deputy Mayor Randy M. Mastro, said it was unfair to characterize the mayor as vengeful, particularly given the `Herculean task` he faced when he entered office in 1994. Mr. Giuliani`s admirers claimed that the depredations of crack, AIDS, homicide and recession had brought the city to its knees, and that he faced a sclerotic liberal establishment. He wielded intimidation as his mace and wrested cost-savings and savings from powerful unions and politicians.

`The notion that the city needed broad-based change frightened a lot of entrenched groups,` said Fred Siegel, a historian and author of `The Prince of the City: Giuliani, New York and the Genius of American Life.` `He didn`t want to be politic with them.`

He cowed many into silence. Silence ensured the flow of city money.

Andy Humm, a gay activist, worked for the Hetrick-Martin Institute, which pushed condom giveaways in public schools. When Mr. Giuliani supported a parental opt-out, the institute`s director counseled silence to avoid losing city funds. `He said, `˜We`re going to say it`s not good, but we`re not going to mention him,` ` Mr. Humm said.

`We were muzzled, and it was a disgrace.`

Picking his fights
Mr. Giuliani says he prefers to brawl with imposing opponents. His father, he wrote in `Leadership,` would `always emphasize: never pick on someone smaller than you. Never be a bully.`

As mayor, he picked fights with a notable lack of discrimination, challenging the city and state comptrollers, a few corporations and the odd council member. But the mayor`s fist also fell on the less powerful. In mid-May 1994, newspapers revealed that Mr. Giuliani`s youth commissioner, the Rev. John E. Brandon, suffered tax problems; more troubling revelations seemed in the offing.

At 7 p.m. on May 17, Mr. Giuliani`s press secretary dialed reporters and served up a hotter story: A former youth commissioner under Mr. Dinkins, Richard L. Murphy, had ladled millions of dollars to supporters of the former mayor. And someone had destroyed Department of Youth Services records and hard drives and stolen computers in an apparent effort to obscure what had happened to that money.

`My immediate goal is to get rid of the stealing, to get rid of the corruption,` Mr. Giuliani told The Daily News.

None of it was true. In 1995, the Department of Investigation found no politically motivated contracts and no theft by senior officials. But Mr. Murphy`s professional life was wrecked.

`I was soiled merchandise `” the taint just lingers,` Mr. Murphy said in a recent interview.

Not long after, a major foundation recruited Mr. Murphy to work on the West Coast. The group wanted him to replicate his much-honored concept of opening schools at night as community centers. A senior Giuliani official called the foundation `” a move a former mayoral official confirmed on the condition of anonymity for fear of embarrassing the organization `” and the prospective job disappeared.

`He goes to people and makes them complicit in his revenge,` Mr. Murphy said.

This theme repeats. Two private employers in New York City, neither of which wanted to be identified because they feared retaliation should Mr. Giuliani be elected president, said the mayor`s office exerted pressure not to hire former Dinkins officials. When Mr. Giuliani battled schools Chancellor Ramon C. Cortines, he demanded that Mr. Cortines prove his loyalty by firing the press spokesman, John Beckman.

Mr. Beckman`s offense? He had worked in the Dinkins administration. `I found it,` Mr. Beckman said in an interview, `a really unfortunate example of how to govern.`

Joel Berger worked as a senior litigator in the city corporation counsel`s office until 1996. Afterward, he represented victims of police brutality and taught a class at the New York University School of Law, and his students served apprenticeships with the corporation counsel.

In late August 1997, Mr. Berger wrote a column in The New York Times criticizing Mr. Giuliani`s record on police brutality. A week later, a city official called the director of the N.Y.U. law school`s clinical programs and demanded that Mr. Berger be removed from the course. Otherwise, the official said, we will suspend the corporation counsel apprenticeship, according to Mr. Berger and an N.Y.U. official.

`It was ridiculously petty,` Mr. Berger said.

N.Y.U. declined to replace Mr. Berger and instead suspended the class after that semester.

`˜Culture of retaliation`
The Citizens Budget Commission has driven mayors of various ideological stripes to distraction since it was founded in 1932. The business-backed group bird-dogs the city`s fiscal management with an unsparing eye. But its analysts are fonts of creative thinking, and Mr. Giuliani asked Raymond Horton, the group`s president, to serve on his transition committee in 1993.

That comity was long gone by the autumn of 1997, when Mr. Giuliani faced re-election. Ruth Messinger, the mayor`s Democratic opponent, cited the commission`s work, and the mayor denounced the group, which had issued critical reports on welfare reform, police inefficiency and the city budget.

So far, so typical for mayors and their relationship with the commission. Mr. Koch once banned his officials from attending the group`s annual retreat. Another time, he attended and gave a speech excoriating the commission.

But one of Mr. Giuliani`s deputy mayors, Joseph Lhota, took an unprecedented step. He called major securities firms that underwrite city bonds and discouraged them from buying seats at the commission`s annual fund-raising dinner. Because Mr. Lhota played a key role in selecting the investment firms that underwrote the bonds, his calls raised an ethical tempest.

Apologizing struck Mr. Giuliani as silly.

`We are sending exactly the right message,` he said. `Their reports are pretty useless; they are a dilettante organization.`

Still, that dinner was a rousing success. `All mayors have thin skins, but Rudy has the thinnest skin of all,` Mr. Horton said.

Mr. Giuliani`s war with the nonprofit group Housing Works was more operatic. Housing Works runs nationally respected programs for the homeless, the mentally ill and people who are infected with H.I.V. But it weds that service to a 1960s straight-from-the-rice-paddies guerrilla ethos.

The group`s members marched on City Hall, staged sit-ins, and delighted in singling out city officials for opprobrium. Mr. Giuliani, who considered doing away with the Division of AIDS Services, became their favorite mayor in effigy.

Mr. Giuliani responded in kind. His police commanders stationed snipers atop City Hall and sent helicopters whirling overhead when 100 or so unarmed Housing Works protesters marched nearby in 1998. A year earlier, his officials systematically killed $6 million worth of contracts with the group, saying it had mismanaged funds.

Housing Works sued the city and discovered that officials had rescored a federal evaluation form to ensure that the group lost a grant from the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

Martin Oesterreich, the city`s homeless commissioner, denied wrongdoing but acknowledged that his job might have been forfeited if Housing Works had obtained that contract.

`That possibility could have happened,` Mr. Oesterreich told a federal judge.

The mayor`s fingerprints could not be found on every decision. But his enemies were widely known.

`The culture of retaliation was really quite remarkable,` said Matthew D. Brinckerhoff, the lawyer who represented Housing Works. `Up and down the food chain, everyone knew what this guy demanded.`

The charter fight
The mayor`s wartime style of governance reached an exhaustion point in the late 1990s. His poll numbers dipped, and the courts routinely ruled against the city, upholding the New York Civil Liberties Union in 23 of its 27 free-speech challenges during Mr. Giuliani`s mayoralty. After he left office, the city agreed to pay $327,000 to a black police officer who was fired because he had testified before the City Council about police brutality toward blacks. The city also agreed to rescind the firing of the caseworker who talked about a child`s death.

In 1999, Mr. Giuliani explored a run for the United States Senate. If he won that seat, he would leave the mayor`s office a year early. The City Charter dictated that Mark Green, the public advocate, would succeed him.

That prospect was intolerable to Mr. Giuliani. Few politicians crawled under the mayor`s skin as skillfully as Mr. Green. `Idiotic` and `inane` were some of the kinder words that Mr. Giuliani sent winging toward the public advocate, who delighted in verbally tweaking the mayor.

So Mr. Giuliani announced in June 1999 that a Charter Revision Commission, stocked with his loyalists, would explore changing the line of mayoral succession. Mr. Giuliani told The New York Times Magazine that he might not have initiated the charter review campaign if Mr. Green were not the public advocate. Three former mayors declared themselves appalled; Mr. Koch fired the loudest cannonade. `You ought to be ashamed of yourself, Mr. Mayor,` he said during a news conference.

Frederick A. O. Schwarz Jr., chairman of a Charter Revision Commission a decade earlier, wrote a letter to Mr. Giuliani warning that `targeting a particular person` would `smack of personal politics and predilections.

`All this is not worthy of you, or our city,` Mr. Schwarz wrote.

Mr. Mastro, who had left the administration, agreed to serve as the commission chairman. He eventually announced that a proposal requiring a special election within 60 days of a mayor`s early departure would not take effect until 2002, after both Mr. Giuliani and Mr. Green had left office. A civic group estimated that the commission spent more than a million dollars of taxpayer money on commercials before a citywide referendum on the proposal that was held in November 1999.

Voters defeated the measure, 76 percent to 24 percent. (In 2002, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg advocated a similar charter revision that passed with little controversy.)

Mr. Green had warned the mayor that rejection loomed.

`It was simple,` Mr. Green said. `It was the mayor vindictively going after an institutional critic for doing his job.`

None of this left the mayor chastened. In March 2000, an undercover officer killed Patrick Dorismond, a security guard, during a fight when the police mistook him for a drug dealer. The outcry infuriated the mayor, who released Mr. Dorismond`s juvenile record, a document that legally was supposed to remain sealed.

The victim, Mr. Giuliani opined, was no `altar boy.` Actually, he was. (Mr. Giuliani later expressed regret without precisely apologizing.)

James Schillaci, the Bronx whistle-blower, recalled reading those comments and shuddering at the memory. `The mayor tarred me up; you know what that feels like?` he said. `I still have nightmares.`

Poster's Comments: Very interesting read.
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Re: Crossing Mayor Giuliani often had a price
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2008, 10:49:10 PM »
i posted this awhile back (long before the election hoopla) about rudys "performance" on 9/11:

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=6132.0

kinda in the same vein as this article-- rudy is a douchebag. even the american people, as suggestible and compliant as they are, cannot be led to believe anything else about the man. hes even getting clobbered in his home state.

barring some unforeseen circumstance (not really a long shot, unfortunately), i think rudy will be forced to drop out of the race. since freddie t announced his withdrawal today, that would leave only four candidates--romney, huckabee, mccain, and "other".  ;)

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Re: Crossing Mayor Giuliani often had a price
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2008, 12:18:40 AM »
So, out of those four which do you think is most likely to get the Selection? Presumably the Repugnants will try and avoid "other".
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Re: Crossing Mayor Giuliani often had a price
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2008, 12:39:31 AM »
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So, out of those four which do you think is most likely to get the Selection? Presumably the Repugnants will try and avoid "other".

im honestly not sure.
you used the word 'selection' and we are definitely in agreement there. my guess is, the candidates have already been decided.
(barring some unforeseen circumstance--not really a long shot, fortunately).

billary? oprahbama? jewliani? mcgainedweightinapowcamp?
if i were an establishment type, i would check 'all of the above' in the booth this year.

the deck is seriously stacked against the 'other' candidate in this election.
however, unlike other elections, this 'other' candidate has a shit-ton of money.
the presidential election is like blackjack. if you can hang in there until everyone else at the table goes broke, you stand a chance at winning.

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Re: Crossing Mayor Giuliani often had a price
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2008, 12:58:42 AM »
oops...forgot to add:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerPage.jhtml

haaretz keeps a running tab on which candidates are 'best for israel'. (ie who will be the next president).
it is presented as 'ranking the presidential candidates', and pretends to be comprehensive.
rudy is ranked far and away the best.

however, the current headline on the page is "If Giuliani is out, will it be Clinton or McCain?"
which, translated, means "the dumb goy wont vote for rudy no matter how hard we try, we gotta buy us another candidate."

if you scroll alllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the way down, to the verrrrrrry bottom of the page, youll see ron paul.





.......no, im kidding. ron paul does not appear on this list at all.
michael bloomberg? on the list.
bill richardson. biden. dodd. thompson. all dropped out of race, still on the list (as of this post.)
sam brownback. al gore. newt gingrich. listed as 'dropped out.' still on the list.
clark. vilsack. john kerry. ditto.

"other" isnt even mentioned.
perhaps they got him confused with "none of the above"?

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Re: Crossing Mayor Giuliani often had a price
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2008, 05:18:55 AM »
...
the deck is seriously stacked against the 'other' candidate in this election.
however, unlike other elections, this 'other' candidate has a shit-ton of money.
the presidential election is like blackjack. if you can hang in there until everyone else at the table goes broke, you stand a chance at winning.

That "other" appears to have secured at least 24 delegates, perhaps 44 in Louisiana yesterday (where's that?). That is, if the party doesn't change the rules, because that wasn't supposed to happen. Add to that the good possibility to clean up or get most in Nevada, and "other" is just about the front-runner in delegates, except perhaps for Romney.


oops...forgot to add:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerPage.jhtml

haaretz keeps a running tab on which candidates are 'best for israel'. (ie who will be the next president).

Having followed that page since last September, I can tell you that they do much better than keeping running tabs; they are stunningly predictive of the chattering class' next darling, and popularity surges or declines in the 'scientific' polls. They first removed stuff and then remodelled the page altogether after some ugly bastard kept on pointing out those miraculous coincidences.

An example http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=8607.msg67421#msg67421

Oh, make that: "were" stunningly predictive. The magic is gone - so sad...

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Re: Crossing Mayor Giuliani often had a price
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2008, 07:00:01 AM »
i posted this awhile back (long before the election hoopla) about rudys "performance" on 9/11:

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=6132.0
I missed that thread.  :-[

kinda in the same vein as this article-- rudy is a douchebag. even the american people, as suggestible and compliant as they are, cannot be led to believe anything else about the man. hes even getting clobbered in his home state.
Most of the people are sick and tired of hearing the same rhetoric from him. For example, when asked about the economy and what he will do to improve it, he says: ".... 9/11 ...". When asked about education, he says: "... 9/11 ...". When asked about funding the space program, his answer: "... 9/11 ...".  Hey Rudy ... who's gonna win the Super Bowl? His answer: "... blah blah blah ... 9/11 ...".

barring some unforeseen circumstance (not really a long shot, unfortunately), i think rudy will be forced to drop out of the race. since freddie t announced his withdrawal today, that would leave only four candidates--romney, huckabee, mccain, and "other".  ;)
Florida will be his last. You know it, I know it, and he knows it.  ;D
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Re: Crossing Mayor Giuliani often had a price
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2008, 12:13:16 PM »
that would leave only four candidates--romney, huckabee, mccain, and "other".  ;)

And I have read that Huckleberry is broke, so... Dang it! Guess I'm voting for "other"  ::)

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Re: Crossing Mayor Giuliani often had a price
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2008, 12:31:02 PM »
And I have read that Huckleberry is broke, so... Dang it! Guess I'm voting for "other"  ::)
:D Ditto!
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Re: Crossing Mayor Giuliani often had a price
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2008, 12:48:46 PM »
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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerPage.jhtml
They forgot to put Ron Paul on there, so I went ahead and made one for them, just so no one will think they are being rude or something.  ;D


« Last Edit: January 25, 2008, 01:11:52 PM by Pooch »

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Re: Crossing Mayor Giuliani often had a price
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2008, 01:14:46 PM »
Certain UK newspapers today are speculating that the Repugnant Nomination will end up going to the Hanoi Hilton Candidate.
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Re: Crossing Mayor Giuliani often had a price
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2008, 01:54:14 PM »
I like that. Constitutionally strong.  8)

Check this out.
http://www.nolanchart.com/article1430.html

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Re: Crossing Mayor Giuliani often had a price
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2008, 04:16:48 AM »
A good article. I hope he's right, for all our sakes.
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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2008, 09:43:47 AM »
Check this out.
http://www.nolanchart.com/article1430.html

If Republicans are smart, they'd run him in a heartbeat.

That's the problem. America has been dumbed down to the point that I think the good Dr. is a little too smart for his own good. Did you watch the debates the other night, when RP asked McCain what he would do about the Fed? McCain could do nothing more than name drop, because I don't think he understood the question.
My point is, neither did most of America. I am sure that most here understood the question perfectly, but then again we are already in the know and accept the facts as they are, i.e. the Fed, NAU, etc.  He needs to tone it down a bit, and talk in a language that everyone understands, that everyone in America can relate to.

Having said that, good article! If Hillary were to ever have to debate RP, I am sure that it wouldn't take long before he would have her curled up in a ball, thumb jammed in her mouth, crying in a corner. I would pay money to see that!

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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2008, 01:01:21 PM »
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If Hillary were to ever have to debate RP

here in texas, people refer to something like that as "a good ole fashioned ass-whuppin".

and i agree that a lot of what dr paul says flies over a lot of peoples heads. however, i think its important that he doesnt dumb himself down in order to pander to the masses. he is who he is, he is genuine, and people see that, even if they dont understand what he is saying. i think the average american has enough raw mental horsepower to determine that mccain got owned on that question, even if they didnt really follow it.

i want a leader who is a lot smarter than me. it wasnt so long ago that this was the norm.

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Re: Crossing Mayor Giuliani often had a price
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2008, 01:29:47 PM »
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i want a leader who is a lot smarter than me.

I want no leader at all except in a milieu based on merit.
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Re: Crossing Mayor Giuliani often had a price
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2008, 01:37:24 PM »
allow me to clarify...i was basing that comment in the context of the 'average' american.

me, im doing just fine on my own.  :)

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Re: Crossing Mayor Giuliani often had a price
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2008, 01:40:04 PM »
Me bad. Glad to hear that  ;D
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Re: Crossing Mayor Giuliani often had a price
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2008, 01:43:03 PM »
and i agree that a lot of what dr paul says flies over a lot of peoples heads. however, i think its important that he doesnt dumb himself down in order to pander to the masses. he is who he is, he is genuine, and people see that, even if they dont understand what he is saying. i think the average american has enough raw mental horsepower to determine that mccain got owned on that question, even if they didnt really follow it.

Yes, but a lot of people are wondering how his message relates to their lives. If they don't understand what he is saying, how can they make an informed choice? I am not saying he needs to dumb himself down, but perhaps speaking more in layman's terms would help, or, simplifying the question.
Something like-
"Senator McCain, the Federal Reserve was created in 1913. This institution was created to control our nation's money supply, and ensure the stability of our economy. However, since it's inception, the Fed has presided over two stock market crashes, the Great Depression, five recessions, "Black Monday" in 1987, and a 1000% inflation which has destroyed 90% of the dollar's purchasing power*. Since history has proven that the Fed is an abysmal failure, will you now abolish this system, in favor of a new economic policy for America?"

It was cool seeing the look on McCain's face... 8)

*taken from "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffith

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Re: Crossing Mayor Giuliani often had a price
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2008, 01:48:43 PM »
how about, "sen. mccain, the 'federal reserve' is neither federal (its a corporation name like 'federal express'), nor is it a reserve (they hold nothing of actual value). how do you feel about that?"  ;D