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Re: The Ron Paul R3volution is dead.
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2008, 12:06:06 PM »
he needs to get beyond that and tap into the new (old?) awareness that is sweeping through America and the world.

In spite of all the media propaganda (backed up by their 'scientific polls') I strongly believe that there are for more people out there well aware of what the psychopaths are up to. I've been studying 'conspiracy theory' for years and the world has indeed changed it's perspective in spite of media, political and legal manipulation. No longer do people look at me funny when I open my mouth and pull the bottom card out of some paradigm pyramid they've built on falsehoods.

No, I'm not the least bit discouraged but I can't really be optimistic on the short term view. I expect that the shit really has to meet the fan before a universal wakeup occurs. I should also add that perhaps my criticism of RP is really not my right as true change will never happen as long as we expect more of our 'leaders' than we do of ourselves. We need to change! We need to start living according to the principles we espouse. Live honestly and deal with all we meet with fairness, humility and kindness. Each of us must be a light to those lost in the dark and as a buttress against those who go along merely to get along.



I think he has been surprised by the reaction of the people, and maybe he doesn't quite have a grasp on what to do with it as of yet. But as time goes by, if he is indeed who he says he is, I think that he will respond more to the will of the people.
In the mean time, I know it is difficult for someone like him to reach such a diverse audience  as  America. Remember, there are millions who still believe the  "Official "story of what happened on 911. I think RP has to be veeeery careful in dealing with these types less he come off as even more of a kook than he is painted in the media. Voter fraud is just another of these types of conspiracies that a good many people just wont swallow... yet. But get the man elected, and there is no telling what may happen. He did read the entire 911 commission report, which most of our reps did not. Who knows what he may reveal if given the chance?

And I agree that we need to change, for the better. More respect, more honor, truth, justice. More attention to what is real, less to what is fleeting. Turn off the T.V., stop worrying over Britney Speers and Dr. Phil, start thinking about your kids and what they learned in school today. Start living your life.

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Re: The Ron Paul R3volution is dead.
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2008, 12:44:21 PM »
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I think RP has to be veeeery careful in dealing with these types less he come off as even more of a kook than he is painted in the media. Voter fraud is just another of these types of conspiracies that a good many people just wont swallow... yet. But get the man elected, and there is no telling what may happen.

You make an extremely valid point here. I shake my head in wonder at some posters I see at other forums who say Dr. Paul cannot be supported because he does not question the official 911 story, and other such things.
To do so at this time would be to give his opponents a hell of a lot of ammunition to use against him. He is already being regarded as a kook in some of the MSM, when they mention him at all, because he supports the outmoded (to them) concepts of the constitution, fiscal responsibility, and because he does not regard America as being the world's policeman.
For Dr. Paul to start addressing these points now, while the mass of the populace remain ignorant, would result in most of the common people, (with direction from the 6 o'clock news) to brand him as a woo-woo!
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Re: The Ron Paul R3volution is dead.
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2008, 02:40:24 PM »
Sorry guys and gals, I'm not disappointed at all, but that's only because I've been watching elections for too damn many years to expect anything different.

You want freedom? Here's the way its done.

http://www.republicoflakotah.com/

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Re: The Ron Paul R3volution is dead.
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2008, 02:45:11 PM »
But I thought Bush II was the movement against the Clinton/Gore/Kerry cabal.

Suckerrrrrrrr.  (Just kidding--but not really.)   :D

Man, if you didn't gno Dumbya was Skull & Bones, you really need to get yer learn on.

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Re: The Ron Paul R3volution is dead.
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2008, 03:57:03 PM »
You want freedom? Here's the way its done.

http://www.republicoflakotah.com/

See, this is something that we rarely think about- the Native American Indian. It is horrible what our govt has done to them. But that's what you get for trusting our gubment anyway. Treaties, agreements, Constitutions, none of these mean anything when faced with a greedy, power-hungry body of elitists hell bent on owning everything and everyone. And now, those same type of elitists are planning the same shit for us.

BTW, my hat is off to Russel Means, and all the others declaring themselves independent of the U.S. Won't do any good though. AIM has been doing these sort of things for years, trying to come up with a peaceful solution to their dilemma, and regain their rights, as well as their dignity. But nothing has ever come of it, except for a bunch of new casinos being built, and  Leonard Peltier still rotting in prison for a crime he didn't commit.

But perhaps we should take a hard look at the plight of our indigenous people, and the most treacherous, horrible crimes ever perpetrated by our govt. This is the fate they have planned for us. All of our rights stripped away, our fate decided for us, as we are reduced to being less than human. Who will cry for us? Will future generations sweep our history under the rug?

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Re: The Ron Paul R3volution is dead.
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2008, 05:09:10 PM »
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You want freedom? Here's the way its done.

http://www.republicoflakotah.com/

Exactly right. Contractual revocation for failure to perform. The federal government only has jurisdiction outside of foggy bottom through contract and treaty. And that's true for all of us, not just the native nations.
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Re: The Ron Paul R3volution is dead.
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2008, 08:22:21 PM »
Suckerrrrrrrr.  (Just kidding--but not really.)   :D

Man, if you didn't gno Dumbya was Skull & Bones, you really need to get yer learn on.

Dyed in the wool Bushbot was I. Okay might as well kill those nutty arabs for oil.  They are always trying to kill ys anyway.

Then 911.  Pancake theory on TV.  Went looking around the net. Saw those 47 steel columns. WTC 7.

We have to make the Tribe pay for 911.  Can you imagine how bold they are now?

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Re: The Ron Paul R3volution is dead.
« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2008, 02:24:48 AM »
Cock-a-hoop; rolling around all over the bed; dancing and high-fiving on the top of buildings. But I'm sure that one day there'll be a reckoning - there are always consequences. Hubris is inevitably followed by Nemesis - what Kipling called "the Gods of the Copy-Book Headings".
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Re: The Ron Paul R3volution is dead.
« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2008, 10:15:53 AM »
Exactly right. Contractual revocation for failure to perform. The federal government only has jurisdiction outside of foggy bottom through contract and treaty. And that's true for all of us, not just the native nations.

... and pooch, too.

Yes, we could revoke the broken and fraudulent contracts if we would just stop pretending that its safer to go on wallowing around in the illusion that there is such a thing as representative government. The true leaders are those who are withdrawing from further participation in the lies and many are following. The hold outs are mainly those who are still firmly attached to the federal teat, but no matter how hard they attempt to suck up "their share",
the weaning days are coming soon.
 
Inflated dollars are nourishing to neither bodies nor souls and consuming them feeds nothing except our addiction to them. In this instance, more is less. Incidentally, the Lakotah are currently in early negotiations with Ireland to create a Nation of Lakotah currency that will be backed by gold. Whether or not this will happen is not generally known at this point, but the intent is clear.

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Re: The Ron Paul R3volution is dead.
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2008, 03:37:53 PM »
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Incidentally, the Lakotah are currently in early negotiations with Ireland to create a Nation of Lakotah currency that will be backed by gold. Whether or not this will happen is not generally known at this point, but the intent is clear.

Funny you brought that up...I was in conversation with a neighbor this morning about using gold to back up paper currency. Ron Paul has brought this up as well. For years I felt that doing so would be the wise way to go but I no longer think that doing so is in our best interest. Think on it...for a couple of centuries we have witnessed the wholesale grab for power through economic manipulation by those who have carved banking monopolies in every nation. They created money out of thin air with but one intent...to skim the 'excess' productivity from the 'sheep'. They could care less about ever recovering the 'principal'. They have used their power and the intervening years to use their ill gotten gains (usury) to buy up the world's gold supply (all real assets actually). If we were to go to a strictly gold-based currency then I foresee two grave dangers. Since gold is in their hands we would necessarily make them even more powerful and place them in absolute control (which is pretty much where we are now). The other danger is that their control of governments, and by extension their control of 'legitimate' force, would enable them to do what Nixon helped them do back when, confiscate the gold we save by executive order and hand it to them at the expense of yet another bookkeeping entry.

Using any commodity as the basis of measuring the value of what is intrinsically of no value is extremely dangerous. We all know how the economists like to hold up oil as the current underlying value of the dollar. And what does that lead to? Well, the powers that be are now intent on destroying any alternative fuel source. They do this not because they own all the oil but because they control it. They have no guaranty that they can monopolize alternative energy solutions so they would sooner put the brakes on innovation rather than give up the control they now exercise through oil. Competition is their nemesis and as much as we are supposed to be impressed by big corporations and all their vaunted technological prowess they would sooner take us back into the dark ages rather than give up their positions of privilege gained through legislation and privilege. Without access to force no monopoly can last long. Don't give them a ready made monopoly by promoting the idea that gold alone is the only means of safeguarding your savings. They are ready and willing to throw you in jail (or worse) and confiscate your wealth if you prove to be antagonistic to their schemes of global dominance.
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Re: The Ron Paul R3volution is dead.
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2008, 05:24:09 PM »
A)... Since gold is in their hands ...
B)... confiscate the gold we save ...
C)... they would sooner take us back into the dark ages

B - is a real problem and possibility, no question.
C - is already here. There has been no invention that has seen the light of day in decades - it's all engineering.

A - not so fast, and the reason they are trying desperately to start a world war. Global war is their only hope.

Remember when around the G8 meeting in Germany, Putin became a 'Hitler'? Why then? After all, Russia had kicked out the 'oligarchs' years before. They even told the Paris Club to take 18 billion and go away - for good. The Paris Club is one of the protection racket arms. They 'assess' a debt out of thin air, and dependent on what a country can swallow in light of the carrier groups off the coast. That was around 2004 or 5, and went off without too much whining.

What happened just before the G8 meeting, is a small announcement by the Russian government. The people of Russia were getting a bit restless with none that resource money not flowing to them. One explanation that worked for a while, was that pumping it into infrastructure and such, would result in damaging inflation, which is true. But where is all the dough? Well, ever since Putin took over, Russia had bulk buyers whenever a central bank in the FreeWorld was ordered to sell their reserves for essentially peanuts (the Brits at $125/oz., the Swiss at $175/oz. when the market price was nearing 300, and on and on - a looting scandal all on its own).

In that announcement it was revealed that Russia had aquired by far the biggest known bullion reserve on the planet (don't remember the tonnage). Not just gold, but several other precious metals as well. That on top of having one of the biggest reserves of may of those in the ground. With that little announcement, NewYork-London-TelAviv was caught with their pants down. The planned collaps (and yes, it was clearly planned) would now take them down as well, or potentially mainly by themselves. That is, unless they can get their hands quickly on the stuff sitting somewhere in Russia - by any means... It's the main reason for all those sudden and interesting shifts of alliances, mostly away from yesterday's top dog. That's why the big movers and shakers are already shouting at each other in Davos, even before their planned celebration starts tomorrow - they lost control over the 'cunning' plan...

That's my story on that, and I will stick with it... ;D

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Re: The Ron Paul R3volution is dead.
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2008, 12:13:43 AM »
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Not just gold, but several other precious metals as well.

these days, copper and steel are considered 'precious metals'.
construction crews around here can no longer leave those big spools of wire laying around (they make excellent coffee tables, by the way).
and theres nary a pre-1982 penny to be found.

that should tell everyone (everyone paying attention, anyway) about the current state of currency.

...and yes, if we did return to a gold standard in this country, they would just take your gold away, fdr style.

buy metals. hold them. tell no one.

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« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2008, 12:21:48 AM »
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construction crews around here can no longer leave those big spools of wire laying around (they make excellent coffee tables, by the way)
Presumably the spools rather than the wire. However, in the spirit of hoarding metals perhaps the best coffee tables would be spool-cum-wire: better not live in an upstairs flat, though.  :D
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Re: The Ron Paul R3volution is dead.
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2008, 01:12:36 AM »
around here, "landscape crews" are going around, digging up expensive plants/shrubs, and reselling them.

...reminds me of weimar germany, when people would dump out a wheelbarrow full of money, and steal the wheelbarrow.

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Re: The Ron Paul R3volution is dead.
« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2008, 05:17:04 AM »
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No, I'm not the least bit discouraged but I can't really be optimistic on the short term view. I expect that the shit really has to meet the fan before a universal wakeup occurs... We need to change! We need to start living according to the principles we espouse. Live honestly and deal with all we meet with fairness, humility and kindness. Each of us must be a light to those lost in the dark and as a buttress against those who go along merely to get along.

I totally agree with all the points in your post. As you observed, 20 years ago my impassioned research regarding the covert econo-political manipulations of the world was usually met with "Konspiracy Kook Korner" derision or embarrassed giggles. Nowadays I can espouse all manner of "conspiracy theory" and almost always I receive a grudging knod or a nervous wink.

If this current "global banking crisis" hits enough Mom and Pop 6-Packs kick-hard into the hip pocket, broke folks are going to want to know who screwed them... and I'm sure they'll have LOTS to talk about.

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Re: The Ron Paul R3volution is dead.
« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2008, 08:17:04 AM »
Amazing!! What you said are exactly my thoughts on currency as we know it, but I see no problem with a commodity based currency as long as it is not usury based. As far as I know, the Lakotah are not planning for any such thing, but when you come right down to it, all currency is backed by the labor and productivity of the people who accept and trade with it, as that is its only purpose .. to facilitate commerce. So an outwardly "people backed" currency would be much more realistic and honest than what we are currently subjected to.

Incidentally, there is already much talk of opening the "new nation" to the production and use of alternative and innovative technologies that are being suppressed in the US. Of course there is still a lot to do before such a thing could become a reality.


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Re: The Ron Paul R3volution is dead.
« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2008, 09:50:07 AM »
Okay.
Just talked with a friend of mine. During early voting week, he went down and voted for none other than Fred Thompson. Of course, shortly after, Fred dropped out of the race. When I asked him why he voted for Fred, he said he didn't want to waste his vote!  :-[ I just didn't know what to say after that. Can you believe that crap?
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« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2008, 02:10:38 PM »
That's a sort of conversation stopper. I don't think there's any sort of polite come back to that.
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Re: The Ron Paul R3volution is dead.
« Reply #38 on: February 29, 2008, 04:10:02 AM »
I have been skeptical from the beginning about his 'team'. I think they feared that the spontaneous support for RP would have the supporters run away with the agenda. That hasn't happened as RP has avoided the real issue of government malfeasance, not only as it concerns 9-11 but on many other issues as well. Then again he could be compromised, in which case he could not have won because eventually his supporters will begin to wonder why he isn't attacking the lies. Or he be doing a suicide run for the good of the cause...but not the cause of truth or conservatism.

Perhaps this explains his position on running as an independent...I think he balks at the notion of splitting the Republican vote and hand the Presidency to Queen Hillary.





As I've said when he first announced his campaign, he is a long time Congress Critter.

His caving in on an obvious vote fraud is no surprise to me.

I can only hope for a Minnisota repeat for the entire nation this time. The people would be so disgusted at the top two offered up as the only presidential candidates, that the next top third party candidate gets the job, just like Jesse did.
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Re: The Ron Paul R3volution is dead.
« Reply #39 on: February 29, 2008, 04:14:02 AM »
LOL, I think your buddy has been watching too much TeeVee and thinks the TeeVee charactor was running for office. I really can't see any reason why anyone took that one serious.

(I do not and will not know what charactors thompson plays/ed, ever, but through a grape vine, I hear it was a "honorable" role -I wish Vickie would stop tuning to gossip programming)
Truth justice and the American way is a list of three different things that are not necessarily related. 2001 9 11 is an inside job and an open case file treated by those that refuse to do their duty as a closed case file.