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President Ahmadinejad's speech at the United Nations.
« on: September 19, 2006, 04:59:01 PM »
Dear All,

I hope you are well & in good spirit.

I just saw and heard him live, and I thought it was a brilliant speech.

Wondering whether any of you would be so kind as to post a transcript or recording of it here, if you come across it, please?

It was funny to see the seats of the US & (counterfiet-)Israeli representatives, empty. And even better when the majority of the Hall, applauded him at the end of his speech.

Quite uplifting.

LLTF,

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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2006, 05:25:20 PM »
I hope you are well & in good spirit.

I just saw and heard him live, and I thought it was a brilliant speech.
Oh yes, and yes...

The empty seats actually underlined perfectly what the speech was all about - the moral and ethical wasteland in stark symbolism.

"Let's face it" he said, "justice will ultimately prevail" - yes!!!

As for the transcript, here is the official UN translation (pdf).

Adds: Strange, all the links went dead at the UN site. Probably temporary, but I attach the pdf below.
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2006, 06:24:16 PM »
Address by His Excellency Dr. Mahmoud AhmadiNejad

President of the Islamic Republic of Iran before the 61st Session of the General assembly
New York, 19 September 2006

Madam President, Distinguished Heads of State and Government, Distinguished Heads of Delegation, Excellencies, Ladies and Gentlemen

I praise the Merciful, All-Knowing and Almighty God for blessing me with another opportunity to address this Assembly on behalf of the great nation of Iran and to bring a number of issues to the attention of the international community.

I also praise the Almighty for the increasing vigilance of peoples across the globe, their courageous presence in different international settings, and the brave expression of their views and aspirations regarding global issues.

Today, humanity passionately craves commitment to the Truth, devotion to God, quest for Justice and respect for the dignity of human beings. Rejection of domination and aggression, defense of the oppressed, and longing for peace constitute the legitimate demand of the peoples of the world, particularly the new generations and the spirited youth, who aspire a world free from decadence, aggression and injustice, and replete with love and compassion. The youth have a right to seek justice and the Truth; and they have a right to build their own future on the foundations of love, compassion and tranquility. And, I praise the Almighty for this immense blessing.

Madame President, Excellencies,

What afflicts humanity today is certainly not compatible with human dignity; the Almighty has not created human beings so that they could transgress against others and oppress them.

By causing war and conflict, some are fast expanding their domination, accumulating greater wealth and usurping all the resources, while others endure the resulting poverty, suffering and misery.

Some seek to rule the world relying on weapons and threats, while others live in perpetual insecurity and danger.

Some occupy the homeland of others, thousands of kilometers away from their borders, interfere in their affairs and control their oil and other resources and strategic routes, while others are bombarded daily in their own homes; their children murdered in the streets and alleys of their own country and their homes reduced to rubble.

Such behavior is not worthy of human beings and runs counter to the Truth, to justice and to human dignity. The fundamental question is that under such conditions, where should the oppressed seek justice? Who, or what organization defends the rights of the oppressed, and suppresses acts of aggression and oppression? Where is the seat of global justice?

A brief glance at a few examples of the most pressing global issues can further illustrate the problem.

A. The unbridled expansion of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons

Some powers proudly announce their production of second and third generations of nuclear weapons. What do they need these weapons for? Is the development and stockpiling of these deadly weapons designed to promote peace and democracy? Or, are these weapons, in fact, instruments of coercion and threat against other peoples and governments? How long should the people of the world live with the nightmare of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons? What bounds the powers producing and possessing these weapons? How can they be held accountable before the international community? And, are the inhabitants of these countries content with the waste of their wealth and resources for the production of such destructive arsenals? Is it not possible to rely on justice, ethics and wisdom instead of these instruments of death? Aren't wisdom and justice more compatible with peace and tranquility than nuclear, chemical and biological weapons? If wisdom, ethics and justice prevail, then oppression and aggression will be uprooted, threats will wither away and no reason will remain for conflict. This is a solid proposition because most global conflicts emanate from injustice, and from the powerful, not being contented with their own rights, striving to devour the rights of others.

People across the globe embrace justice and are willing to sacrifice for its sake.

Would it not be easier for global powers to ensure their longevity and win hearts and minds through the championing of real promotion of justice, compassion and peace, than through continuing the proliferation of nuclear and chemical weapons and the threat of their use?

The experience of the threat and the use of nuclear weapons is before us. Has it achieved anything for the perpetrators other than exacerbation of tension, hatred and animosity among nations?

B. Occupation of countries and exacerbation of hostilities

Occupation of countries, including Iraq, has continued for the last three years. Not a day goes by without hundreds of people getting killed in cold blood. The occupiers are incapable of establishing security in Iraq. Despite the establishment of the lawful Government and National Assembly of Iraq, there are covert and overt efforts to heighten insecurity, magnify and aggravate differences within Iraqi society, and instigate civil strife.

There is no indication that the occupiers have the necessary political will to eliminate the sources of instability. Numerous terrorists were apprehended by the Government of Iraq, only to be let loose under various pretexts by the occupiers.

It seems that intensification of hostilities and terrorism serves as a pretext for the continued presence of foreign forces in Iraq.

Where can the people of Iraq seek refuge, and from whom should the Government of Iraq seek justice?

Who can ensure Iraq's security? Insecurity in Iraq affects the entire region. Can the Security Council play a role in restoring peace and security in Iraq, while the occupiers are themselves permanent members of the Council? Can the Security Council adopt a fair decision in this regard?

Consider the situation in Palestine: The roots of the Palestinian problem go back to the Second World War. Under the pretext of protecting some of the survivors of that War, the land of Palestine was occupied through war, aggression and the displacement of millions of its inhabitants; it was placed under the control of some of the War survivors, bringing even larger population groups from elsewhere in the world, who had not been even affected by the Second World War; and a government was established in the territory of others with a population collected from across the world at the expense of driving millions of the rightful inhabitants of the land into a diaspora and homelessness. This is a great tragedy with hardly a precedent in history. Refugees continue to live in temporary refugee camps, and many have died still hoping to one day return to their land. Can any logic, law or legal reasoning justify this tragedy? Can any member of the United Nations accept such a tragedy occurring in their own homeland?

The pretexts for the creation of the regime occupying Al-Qods Al-Sharif are so weak that its proponents want to silence any voice trying to merely speak about them, as they are concerned that shedding light on the facts would undermine the raison d' être of this regime, as it has. The tragedy does not end with the establishment of a regime in the territory of others. Regrettably, from its inception, that regime has been a constant source of threat and insecurity in the Middle East region, waging war and spilling blood and impeding the progress of regional countries, and has also been used by some powers as an instrument of division, coercion, and pressure on the people of the region. Reference to these historical realities may cause some disquiet among supporters of this regime. But these are sheer facts and not myth. History has unfolded before our eyes.

Worst yet, is the blanket and unwarranted support provided to this regime. Just watch what is happening in the Palestinian land. People are being bombarded in their own homes and their children murdered in their own streets and alleys. But no authority, not even the Security Council, can afford them any support or protection. Why?

At the same time, a Government is formed democratically and through the free choice of the electorate in a part of the Palestinian territory. But instead of receiving the support of the so-called champions of democracy, its Ministers and Members of Parliament are illegally abducted and incarcerated in full view of the international community.

Which council or international organization stands up to protect this brutally besieged Government? And why can't the Security Council take any steps?

Let me here address Lebanon: For thirty-three long days, the Lebanese lived under the barrage of fire and bombs and close to 1.5 million of them were displaced; meanwhile some members of the Security Council practically chose a path that provided ample opportunity for the aggressor to achieve its objectives militarily. We witnessed that the Security Council of the United Nations was practically incapacitated by certain powers to even call for a ceasefire. The Security Council sat idly by for so many days, witnessing the cruel scenes of atrocities against the Lebanese while tragedies such as Qana were persistently repeated. Why?

In all these cases, the answer is self-evident. When the power behind the hostilities is itself a permanent member of the Security Council, how then can this Council fulfill its responsibilities?

C. Lack of respect for the rights of members of the international community

Excellencies, I now wish to refer to some of the grievances of the Iranian people and speak to the injustices against them.

The Islamic Republic of Iran is a member of the IAEA and is committed to the NPT. All our nuclear activities are transparent, peaceful and under the watchful eyes of IAEA inspectors. Why then are there objections to our legally recognized rights? Which governments object to these rights? Governments that themselves benefit from nuclear energy and the fuel cycle. Some of them have abused nuclear technology for non-peaceful ends including the production of nuclear bombs, and some even have a bleak record of using them against humanity.

Which organization or Council should address these injustices? Is the Security Council in a position to address them? Can it stop violations of the inalienable rights of countries? Can it prevent certain powers from impeding scientific progress of other countries?

The abuse of the Security Council, as an instrument of threat and coercion, is indeed a source of grave concern.

Some permanent members of the Security Council, even when they are themselves parties to international disputes, conveniently threaten others with the Security Council and declare, even before any decision by the Council, the condemnation of their opponents by the Council. The question is: what can justify such exploitation of the Security Council, and doesn't it erode the credibility and effectiveness of the Council? Can such behavior contribute to the ability of the Council to maintain security?

Excellencies, A review of the preceding historical realities would lead to the conclusion that regrettably, justice has become a victim of force and aggression.

Many global arrangements have become unjust, discriminatory and irresponsible as a result of undue pressure from some of the powerful;

Threats with nuclear weapons and other instruments of war by some powers have taken the place of respect for the rights of nations and the maintenance and promotion of peace and tranquility;

For some powers, claims of promotion of human rights and democracy can only last as long as they can be used as instruments of pressure and intimidation against other nations. But when it comes to the interests of the claimants, concepts such as democracy, the right of self-determination of nations, respect for the rights and intelligence of peoples, international law and justice have no place or value. This is blatantly manifested in the way the elected Government of the Palestinian people is treated as well as in the support extended to the Zionist regime. It does not matter if people are murdered in Palestine, turned into refugees, captured, imprisoned or besieged; that must not violate human rights.

- Nations are not equal in exercising their rights recognized by international law. Enjoying these rights is dependent on the whim of certain major powers.

- Apparently the Security Council can only be used to ensure the security and the rights of some big powers. But when the oppressed are decimated under bombardment, the Security Council must remain aloof and not even call for a ceasefire. Is this not a tragedy of historic proportions for the Security Council, which is charged with maintaining the security of countries?

- The prevailing order of contemporary global interactions is such that certain powers equate themselves with the international community, and consider their decisions superseding that of over 180 countries. They consider themselves the masters and rulers of the entire world and other nations as only second class in the world order.

Excellencies, The question needs to be asked: if the Governments of the United States or the United Kingdom who are permanent members of the Security Council, commit aggression, occupation and violation of international law, which of the organs of the UN can take them to account? Can a Council in which they are privileged members address their violations? Has this ever happened? In fact, we have repeatedly seen the reverse. If they have differences with a nation or state, they drag it to the Security Council and as claimants, arrogate to themselves simultaneously the roles of prosecutor, judge and executioner. Is this a just order? Can there be a more vivid case of discrimination and more clear evidence of injustice?

Regrettably, the persistence of some hegemonic powers in imposing their exclusionist policies on international decision making mechanisms, including the Security Council, has resulted in a growing mistrust in global public opinion, undermining the credibility and effectiveness of this most universal system of collective security.

Excellencies, How long can such a situation last in the world? It is evident that the behavior of some powers constitutes the greatest challenge before the Security Council, the entire organization and its affiliated agencies.

The present structure and working methods of the Security Council, which are legacies of the Second World War, are not responsive to the expectations of the current generation and the contemporary needs of humanity.

Today, it is undeniable that the Security Council, most critically and urgently, needs legitimacy and effectiveness. It must be acknowledged that as long as the Council is unable to act on behalf of the entire international community in a transparent, just and democratic manner, it will neither be legitimate nor effective. Furthermore, the direct relation between the abuse of veto and the erosion of the legitimacy and effectiveness of the Council has now been clearly and undeniably established. We cannot, and should not, expect the eradication, or even containment, of injustice, imposition and oppression without reforming the structure and working methods of the Council.

Is it appropriate to expect this generation to submit to the decisions and arrangements established over half a century ago? Doesn't this generation or future generations have the right to decide themselves about the world in which they want to live?

Today, serious reform in the structure and working methods of the Security Council is, more than ever before, necessary. Justice and democracy dictate that the role of the General Assembly, as the highest organ of the United Nations, must be respected. The General Assembly can then, through appropriate mechanisms, take on the task of reforming the Organization and particularly rescue the Security Council from its current state. In the interim, the Non-Aligned Movement, the Organization of the Islamic Conference and the African continent should each have a representative as a permanent member of the Security Council, with veto privilege. The resulting balance would hopefully prevent further trampling of the rights of nations.

Madame President, Excellencies,

It is essential that spirituality and ethics find their rightful place in international relations. Without ethics and spirituality, attained in light of the teachings of Divine prophets, justice, freedom and human rights cannot be guaranteed.

Resolution of contemporary human crises lies in observing ethics and spirituality and the governance of righteous people of high competence and piety.

Should respect for the rights of human beings become the predominant objective, then injustice, ill-temperament, aggression and war will fade away.

Human beings are all God's creatures and are all endowed with dignity and respect.

No one has superiority over others. No individual or states can arrogate to themselves special privileges, nor can they disregard the rights of others and, through influence and pressure, position themselves as the "international community" .

Citizens of Asia, Africa, Europe and America are all equal. Over six billion inhabitants of the earth are all equal and worthy of respect.

Justice and protection of human dignity are the two pillars in maintaining sustainable peace, security and tranquility in the world.

It is for this reason that we state: Sustainable peace and tranquility in the world can only be attained through justice, spirituality, ethics, compassion and respect for human dignity.

All nations and states are entitled to peace, progress and security. We are all members of the international community and we are all entitled to insist on the creation of a climate of compassion, love and justice.

All members of the United Nations are affected by both the bitter and the sweet events and developments in today's world.

We can adopt firm and logical decisions, thereby improving the prospects of a better life for current and future generations.

Together, we can eradicate the roots of bitter maladies and afflictions, and instead, through the promotion of universal and lasting values such as ethics, spirituality and justice, allow our nations to taste the sweetness of a better future.

Peoples, driven by their divine nature, intrinsically seek Good, Virtue, Perfection and Beauty. Relying on our peoples, we can take giant steps towards reform and pave the road for human perfection. Whether we like it or not, justice, peace and virtue will sooner or later prevail in the world with the will of Almighty God. It is imperative, and also desirable, that we too contribute to the promotion of justice and virtue.

The Almighty and Merciful God, who is the Creator of the Universe, is also its Lord and Ruler. Justice is His command. He commands His creatures to support one another in Good, virtue and piety, and not in decadence and corruption.

He commands His creatures to enjoin one another to righteousness and virtue and not to sin and transgression. All Divine prophets from the Prophet Adam (peace be upon him) to the Prophet Moses (peace be upon him), to the Prophet Jesus Christ (peace be upon him), to the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him), have all called humanity to monotheism, justice, brotherhood, love and compassion. Is it not possible to build a better world based on monotheism, justice, love and respect for the rights of human beings, and thereby transform animosities into friendship?

I emphatically declare that today's world, more than ever before, longs for just and righteous people with love for all humanity; and above all longs for the perfect righteous human being and the real savior who has been promised to all peoples and who will establish justice, peace and brotherhood on the planet.

0, Almighty God, all men and women are Your creatures and You have ordained their guidance and salvation. Bestow upon humanity that thirsts for justice, the perfect human being promised to all by You, and make us among his followers and among those who strive for his return and his cause.
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Re: President Ahmadinejad's speech at the United Nations.
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2006, 06:28:27 PM »
... and above all longs for the perfect righteous human being and the real savior who has been promised to all peoples and who will establish justice, peace and brotherhood on the planet. ... Bestow upon humanity that thirsts for justice, the perfect human being promised to all by You, and make us among his followers and among those who strive for his return and his cause.

He has an "Imam Mahdi" and false messiah waiting in the wings.
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2006, 06:37:24 PM »
... and above all longs for the perfect righteous human being and the real savior who has been promised to all peoples and who will establish justice, peace and brotherhood on the planet. ... Bestow upon humanity that thirsts for justice, the perfect human being promised to all by You, and make us among his followers and among those who strive for his return and his cause.

He has an "Imam Mahdi" and false messiah waiting in the wings.

What are you implying here WRS: He has an "Imam Mahdi" and false messiah waiting in the wings.
Would you explain that please for me.

I am just printing this to read later in bed.
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2006, 06:52:21 PM »
He has an "Imam Mahdi" and false messiah waiting in the wings.
I'm aware of that, but don't they (believers) all have similar expectations and interpretations? I'm assuming the last paragraph to be some sort of prayer, characteristic of his faith.

The rest of the speech does not particularly sound like an end-timer's dream.

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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2006, 09:46:04 PM »
I'm aware of that, but don't they (believers) all have similar expectations and interpretations?

That's what he's playing into.

When Khomeini took the embassy hostage in '79, people started calling him "The Imam" ~ meaning "Imam Mahdi," who the Shi'ah believe was a descendant of 'Ali and Fatima who disappeared as a child or, as they believe, "went into occultation" and is expected to return.  People believed that Khomeini was that return, since among the Shi'ah, the title "Imam" is reserved only for "The" Imam, meaning Imam Mahdi.

Messianic expectation is part of Messianic Apocalyptic Dementia.  But still to come is the "False Messiah" or "Messiah of Falsehood" or the "Lying Messiah" ~ take your pick.  Some are expecting Jesus to return ~ the false messiah will look to them like Jesus.  Some pretend to be expecting Moshiach ~ they will of course know their false messiah is false.  Some expect Imam Mahdi ~ the false messiah will look to them like Imam Mahdi.

All these apocalyptic scenarios are being played by the parties ~ events are made to occur that appear to "fulfill" expectations of false prophecies.  It's been very carefully stage-managed since the zionists started lying about crucifying Jesus, who they never were able to touch ~ they lied about it to discredit Jesus among Jews, and to write a new religion for pagan Europe to pit its followers against the Messenger of the Covenant who they knew was coming in Kedar and Tema.

Now, several of those parties are bringing up their game plan to a final curtain.  Ahmadinejad has identified himself, with those two paragraphs, as being of one of those parties fostering false messianic expectations with someone to play the role of the messianic figure, who will actually be the False Messiah or one of his immediate predecessors (three in all).

All of these various concocted apocalyptic scenarios dovetail with an actually prophesied period leading up to what muslims call The Hour.  There are literally hundreds of detailed prophecies, I discuss some of them at http://www.muslimamerica.net/mp/muqatta.htm ~ at this point, all of those prophecies ~ except the very few that "establish" that we're looking at The Hour ~ are in fulfillment.

Two things can happen:  the few remaining prophecies could be fulfilled, establishing The Hour, or the existing conditions could change so that the signs that are present right now would no longer be present (i.e., zoos could disappear, sexual hormones could be taken off the market, oil production could stop, skyscrapers in Saudi Arabia could fall, etc.).

The difficulty is time scale.  When "A Day" is fifty thousand years long, an Hour is two thousand years long.  So existing conditions could persist for quite a while without being ~ actually ~ the run-up to The Hour.  On the other hand, Ahmadinejad and others are talking about an imminent advent of a messianic figure, who we know (from prophecies) is false, and a production of the parties among the enemies of humanity.

It's the religious shell game that everyone despises, but so many are afraid to not believe in.  And people are looking for a leader, a saviour, a hero ~ someone, anyone who can "rescue" everybody (from their own folly).

Ahmadinejad's speech is aimed at muslims, to rally them to the Persian banner with a promise of victory at the End Of Time.  It worked for Khomeini, and it will work for Ahmadinejad.  The question is what it will produce.

We've known for ten years or more that there is, somewhere in Arabia, a charismatic figure who is behind bin Laden.  So far, no one has been able to identify him or find him, and the Saudis have been trying and hasn't been able to come up with a clue.  bin Laden is small fry ~ he's someone else's puppet on a string.  So is Ahmadinejad, although he has much better positioning and is much smoother than bin Laden.  "Salafi" literature and "Co-Mania" literature are nearly identical in their slick appeal.  Both could be parties of the false messiah.

But it's all a charade, a mirage.  That doesn't mean there won't be some superhero figure ~ there will be.  The question is who, when, and from where ~ which will become obvious and clear to all of the faithful almost simultaneously, but not before he appears and deceives the unwary "religious."  Persia is just one of the places mentioned in reports of prophecies as the venue of "The False Messiah" (Arabic Masih ad-Dajjal) ~ and it's impossible to tell which of these reports are true.  Eastern Arabia is another, and Jerusalem is another.  But the common expectation is that the impact will be on the entire terminally-collapsed millennial muslim world.

Moral:  be wary of "leaders" who want to take you somewhere.  A true teacher of faith gives you what you need to succeed right where you are without his help or "leadership."

People who want followers deserve them.  Some things are their own punishment.
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Re: President Ahmadinejad's speech at the United Nations.
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2006, 10:57:10 PM »
Thank-you Proemio & Hajj, for the transcript.

I had the same suspicions as you (Hajj) regarding those particular sentences.

I believe there are at least two prominent (although not public yet) false messiahs, waiting in the wings.

There need to be, so that each can accuse the other of being the "false Messiah"/"Man of Sin" (etc).

Probably, one of them will be of Muslim origin, whilst the other of Christian or Jewish origin.

The immediate give-away, I think, is if they "belong" to a religion.
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2006, 11:07:12 PM »
There need to be, so that each can accuse the other of being the "false Messiah"/"Man of Sin" (etc).

In the muslim "prophecies" Jesus kills ad-Dajjal.  The Pauline Christians will go bananas when the Jews "miraculously" convert to follow the "returned Jesus."

It's all very skillfully set up.

But I think there are three, at least, in waiting.

"Surely The Hour is near, I all but conceal it ~ to repay every person by means of what he pursues."

Everybody wants someone else to save them.  Looks like a sure road to slavery to me.
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2006, 11:29:01 PM »
In the muslim "prophecies" Jesus kills ad-Dajjal.  The Pauline Christians will go bananas when the Jews "miraculously" convert to follow the "returned Jesus."

It's all very skillfully set up.

But I think there are three, at least, in waiting.



So ad-Dajjal is the so-called "Muslim" evil figurehead, yes?

From the prophecies in the Bible, I know that one other evil figurehead will be the last Pope.

I don't doubt there may be three, as you think.



"Surely The Hour is near, I all but conceal it ~ to repay every person by means of what he pursues."

Everybody wants someone else to save them.  Looks like a sure road to slavery to me.



I know what you mean. Statist atheists look to governments, and foolish "believers" look for a saviour to "save them" just for believing in him (whoever it is).

It is up to each and ever person to walk The Way for theirself. The Path has been shown, God will accompany and help you, but you still have to do it (yourself). No-one else can do it for you.
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2006, 12:00:35 AM »
So ad-Dajjal is the so-called "Muslim" evil figurehead, yes?

Congruent with "The Anti-Christ."

It is up to each and ever person to walk The Way for theirself. The Path has been shown, God will accompany and help you, but you still have to do it (yourself). No-one else can do it for you.

And "The Saviour" is the one through whom God sent down the means by which we can save ourselves ~ from ourselves.

Don't see a whole lot of that in the last 2000 years of European history, or in the most recent 400 years of muslim history.

But European "colonialism" sure came boiling out all over the place after the terminal collapse of the thousand-year Arab muslim empire.

How many did they "save"?
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2006, 02:25:51 AM »
His speech made a lot of sense until the part you mention:

"He has an "Imam Mahdi" and false messiah waiting in the wings."

Upon reading that paragraph of his speech, lots of red lights and warning bells went off, and he emasculated his entire speech, imo, with those last comments,
 and thats too bad because there is a lot of truth and insight otherwise that is now rendered seemingly in the light of fanaticism.


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Re: President Ahmadinejad's speech at the United Nations.
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2006, 10:32:10 AM »
Very nicely interpreted, even I could follow a little bit.
I did not get time yet to read the speech but I printed off all 8 pages. Your analysis
may help me to better understand.

"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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Re: President Ahmadinejad's speech at the United Nations.
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2006, 12:43:25 PM »
His speech made a lot of sense until the part you mention:

He has an "Imam Mahdi" and false messiah waiting in the wings.

Upon reading that paragraph of his speech, lots of red lights and warning bells went off, and he emasculated his entire speech, imo, with those last comments, and that's too bad because there is a lot of truth and insight otherwise that is now rendered seemingly in the light of fanaticism.


From a "secular" perspective it looks like fanaticism.  But he's not playing to the secular perspective, but to the muslim perspective.

See http://www.muslimamerica.net/mp/guide.htm#mad "Messianic Apocalyptic Dementia" (a short page) and http://www.muslimamerica.net/mp/muqatta.htm "Islam and the End of the World" (a longer page).  With America invading Afghanistan and Iraq, and threatening Syria and Iran, it is probable that most of the world's 1.5 billion muslims are beginning to suspect, if they're not already completely convinced, that we are witnessing The Hour.  In fact, thirty years ago, among the brothers, we used to say "If this ain't The Hour, I don't want to see it."  Of course, with prophetic time scales stretching over generations, "The Hour" may be two thousand years long.

It's important to remember two things:  first, our instructions are "Should The Hour come while you're planting a tree, continue planting the tree."  In other words, the advent of The Hour is not a reason to stop putting one foot in front of the other and continuing life as one normally does.  Second, whether we are seeing "The Hour" is not certain until certain specific things have happened and they haven't happened yet.  Until they do, whatever we are seeing that seems to portend "The End of Time" or "The End Times" is just as likely to be theatrical contrivance engineered by the zionists, the Paulines, or some party among the muslims of the terminally-collapsed millennial muslim world, aimed at re-establishing whatever hegemony they've lost in their dimly-remembered histories.

But Ahmadinejad is clearly playing into messianic expectations, and implying that he may know something that others don't.  This is typical of the mystery religions and of mystical fraternities and initiatory societies without any actual apostolic succession (or broken chains, attenuated chains, false chains, etc.).  Muslims believe that there are continuing apostolic successions from Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad that are invisible to those without faith, and virtually hidden even from the faithful until God's Plan for them brings them into contact.  Ahmadinejad is playing on that belief.

Does he have an "Imam Mahdi" waiting in the wings?  Possibly.  As do other parties with their corresponding messianic figure and their schedule for "revealing" him ~ probably with the latest holographic and special effects technology, staged events on the ground (like invasions of muslim countries, for example), and false flag mass movements.

Suppose someone were to appear "spontaneously" on every TV channel on the planet in the middle of prime time who bore a resemblance to Jesus, and Jews all over the world loudly "repented" from their rejection of Jesus and declared themselves "Of Christ" (the television "Christ"). Can you see right-wing fundamentalist Pauline Christians rushing to join the Jews who "miraculously converted," and following wherever they lead?

That's the game plan.  Ahmadinejad has another game plan.  Other parties have yet another ~ "Imam Mahdi" according to Sunni belief will be a descendant of the prophet, of the Arab tribe of the Quraysh, with the same name, Muhammad ibn Abdallah.  And none of these parties has to go to Central Casting to find candidates for the role.

That, incidentally, is what the pharisees and scribes of Temple Israel offered Jesus ~ they were ready to represent him as the Messenger of the Covenant, with a new Law for all humanity, and install him and themselves as perpetuals owners of the universe and everyone in it.  He refused, so after he was gone, Paul spread that false doctrine as a "New Covenant" which in today's English is "New Testament."  That's the core of most "white supremacy" dogmas ~ perpetual hegemony in "new" Israel.

That Pauline Christianity offers "vicarious atonement," and does not provide the means for each person to save himself (as we see abundantly in history), means nothing to Paulines, who imagine they have a free ticket to paradise for "believing on him" and "being forgiven" which they have to die to collect.

So Ahmadinejad's implied promise is another pie-in-the-sky mystery religion, possibly with the added feature of a superhero messianic figure to rally the muslims.

IF his scheme is indeed part of The Hour, then a third of the muslims will rally to his banner.  That's a pretty big "if" ~ but then, the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq were pretty far-fetched not that long ago.

Meanwhile, the on-going destruction and carnage in the Promised Land and in the terminally-collapsed millennial muslim world is following several apocalyptic scenarios pretty closely.  So I think I'll finish planting some trees.
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Re: President Ahmadinejad's speech at the United Nations.
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2006, 03:02:20 PM »
I don't know if anyone has seen this:

Michael Hoffman's commentary via the Hoffman Wire:


Congratulations Bush and Israelis, you did it again
by Michael A. Hoffman II

A transcript of the insightful speech by Iranian President Ahmadinejad to the United Nations yesterday is nowhere to be found in the US media. The New York Times has available online the transcript of Bush's UN speech, but not that of Ahmadinejad. This article: Iran President: Time for World Empires Has Ended contains at least some sense of how much Ahmadinejad turns the tables on the US government.

Other than the Iranians, in general the Arab/Muslim and American peace movement reaction to the presence of warmonger Bush at the UN "peace" assembly has been a complete failure. Imagine if the leader of a world power about to address the United Nations in New York had just helped to carpet-bomb Israelis for 33 days, leveling parts of Tel Aviv, destroying much of the nation's infrastructure and slaughtering a thousand civilians. The Judaics would have made the entrance to the UN impassable for him. This world leader would have been pelted with eggs and garbage. Inside the General Assembly a walkout would have been staged when the leader rose to speak. In the streets of New York, Zionist students and youth would have held record-breaking protests, traffic-snarling marches and massive sit-ins.

Ho-hum, none of that transpired yesterday when President Bush arrived in New York, the world leader who gave his blessing to unlimited warfare, along with weapons and cluster bombs to assist the Israelis in blowing up Arab cities and bridges and butchering civilians (and UN observers) in Lebanon, for more than a month. In voodoo there is a condition known as zombieism and the Arabs and US Leftists have a good case of it. They apparently don't know that in the aftermath of these massacres, Israeli and American psychological warfare profilers gauge the reaction of the victims, so as to better calculate the extent of the damage they can get away with next time.

Compared with sleepy, stunned, disorganized, parochial Arabs, Judaics are always on the alert, bristling with energy, activism and brilliant and relentless public relations campaigns. Arabs say that "Arab life is cheap in the eyes of the Zionists." But it would appear that Arab life is cheap in the eyes of the Arabs. Bush can help kill a thousand Arab women and children and then a few weeks later show up relaxed and joking in New York City without significant protests of any kind. For ambitious, amoral, power-politics types of Americans, it's not difficult to see why so many senators and CEOs side with "Israel." With the exception of the astute Iranians, there is no meaningful, sustained, sophisticated opposition to Zionist holocausts in the Muslim world, or for that matter, in the world of the gray-beards of the American Left.

Congratulations Bush and Israelis, you did it again. As in Beirut in 1982, and in Jenin in 2002, you committed war crimes in Lebanon in 2006 and didn't have to pay for them. In fact, less than a month later, the world can barely remember what you did there. Your immunity is impressive.


"Such behavior is not worthy of human beings"
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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Re: President Ahmadinejad's speech at the United Nations.
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2006, 08:15:05 PM »
What I find amazing, is that we have a half-hour speech about (1) the moral, ethical and intellectual bankruptcy of afflicting international affairs and beyond (we haven't commented on), (2) the built in inequity and utter incapacity of the international institutions to perform any honorable function and why (we haven't commented on), (3) an outline of proposals to pull the apparatus out of the swamp (we haven't commented on) and (4) a set of principles allowing for a more equitable and hopeful future (we haven't commented on).

On occasion, there are some religious references and what sounds like a prayer at the end of the speech. In other words, 90%+ of the speech was on message, and addressed to international institutions in general and the UN in particular. However, most if not all commentary focuses on the religious content. Not just here. At FR the thread on AhmadiNejad's speech was running 1.5 times longer than the one on the Bush speech. The Mahdi or fake this and false that (surely not to AhmadiNejad) is also a common focus of discussion, yet Bush ended his speech with some "God bless", without anyone knowing what God he is talking about, but we have no apocalyptic discussions there.

AhmadiNejad may very well believe in an end-time scenario, he may even wish it, like many other people of various religions, but there is absolutely nothing that suggest that he is working toward 'bringing it on' like for example a lot of fundies do. The world is a mess, there is death and destruction all over. Why would he propose ways of repair, repair that would prolong the wait for whoever he is waiting for? Deception? He could have done that with a lot less engagement and less risk that the World will take him up on the challenges. That is especially the case, when seen in the context of the coordination with other speakers who's Messiahs (real or false) are of different substance.

So, what about the substance of the speech(es)?

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Re: President Ahmadinejad's speech at the United Nations.
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2006, 09:34:09 PM »
90%+ of the speech was on message, and addressed to international institutions in general and the UN in particular. However, most if not all commentary focuses on the religious content.

That 90% of the speech was unremarkable except for the fact that it was delivered at the UN.  Otherwise, there appears to be little disagreement with what he said, or at least those who disagree have not ventured to announce or try to explain their disagreements.

What is remarkable is that the President of a nation representing a religious mandate is making statements promoting apocalyptic expectations.  When the Lubavitchers do the same thing, with more specificity, such statements are discounted because the apocalyptic expectations of Hebrews are not so much part and parcel of their daily life or considered as imminent.  In the terminally-collapsed millennial muslim world, Messianic Apocalyptic Dementia (see http://www.muslimamerica.net/mp/guide.htm#mad for description) is considerably more rampant today than it was pre-9/11.  This is what makes those elements of Ahmadinejad's speech remarkable.  Bush and company make thinly veiled pronouncements of holy war against muslims, invade muslim countries, and threaten to invade others; Ahmadinejad is calling up not merely "a" jihaad, but "the" jihaad, and has NOT invaded or threatened to invade any other country.

Interesting entertainment.
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Re: President Ahmadinejad's speech at the United Nations.
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2006, 10:06:14 PM »
Why would he propose ways of repair, repair that would prolong the wait for whoever he is waiting for?

Au contraire. He's helping the build up to it. The ways of repair he is proposing would achieve that which a lot of people would wish the world to be like, and what they perceive it will be like under the rule of Shiloh/Mahdi.

Is there a meme you may have unconsciously incorporated, the Zio-Xtian one which says that WW3 has to happen for Christ to return? I'm just wondering because of the "prolong the wait" bit in your question.
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Re: President Ahmadinejad's speech at the United Nations.
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2006, 06:05:33 AM »
That 90% of the speech was unremarkable except for the fact that it was delivered at the UN.

But it was given at the UN, live, on target-US primetime no less = highly remarkable.

It's irrelevant that the speech itself appears to contain nothing new for an audience such as the one found on this board, tho in my view it, and several others by the growing axis-of-evil did announce a remarkable shift.

My point is:
While interesting, what if prophecies are not, or only scheduled in x thousand million years?

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Re: President Ahmadinejad's speech at the United Nations.
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2006, 06:27:24 AM »
Is there a meme you may have unconsciously incorporated, the Zio-Xtian one which says that WW3 has to happen for Christ to return? I'm just wondering because of the "prolong the wait" bit in your question.
Au contraire, my friend. I was not talking at all from my perspective.

IF Ahmadinejad is supposed to be an end-time promoting kook, he's doing a miserable job by advocating ways to prevent WWIII. Instead, the trust of his speech - and a growing number of others by members of the expanding axis-of evil - is decidedly anti-globalization/one-world-thingy, and that right in the den of that particular beast.

If successful, it would postphone the return of whoever would please the various end-timers. That does not mean that he does not believe for this to happen "at some point", but it would mean that his 30 minute speech was meant to convey exactly what it sounded like - nothing more.