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AJ Cristol - A Historian Or A Zionist Lackey?
« on: May 03, 2006, 10:37:14 AM »

Jay Cristol says the USS Liberty attack was a series of mistakes. He also states that Commander Ennis is an anti semite, and the Israelis never shot the liferafts.

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Re: AJ Cristol - A Historian Or A Zionist Lackey?
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2006, 10:47:33 AM »


This book is disgraceful , and is a slap to USS Liberty crew.
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Re: AJ Cristol - A Historian Or A Zionist Lackey?
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2006, 11:07:49 AM »
AJ Cristol - A Self-Proclaimed Historian Or & A Zionist Lackey?

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An Open Letter to Ahron Jay Cristol
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James Ronald Gotcher
jrg@gotcherlaw.com
Dear Mr. Cristol,

It has now been a month since I invited you to debate the validity of your claim of official Congressional investigations. You have not come forward, nor has your surrogate, Mr. Weeks.

A short time ago, I visited your web site and saw that it still proclaims the lie that:

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"After ten official US investigations (including five congressional investigations), there was never any evidence that the attack was made with knowledge that the target was a US ship. "

This is a lie. You know it. I know it. And anyone who has investigated this issue knows it. Why do you persist in asserting it?
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Re: AJ Cristol - A Historian Or A Zionist Lackey?
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2006, 11:09:51 AM »
A review of Cristol's book

Reviewer: joseph graziano (new york) -


I find it very telling Judge Cristol included so few photographs of the damage to the Liberty.
They clearly show most of it, with the exception of the torpedo hit, was inflicted by rocket fire from the planes. The use of rockets in the attack is officially denied by Israel. Why? Because most of the superstructure and much of the hull took scores of hits from almost every conceivable angle. Many of them penetrating several bulkheads.

 The ship looked like an angry grizzly bear got to chewing on a steel bucket. Such extensive damage clearly refutes
Israeli claims the air attack involved only 4 aircraft and a maximum of 6 strafing runs over 12-14 minutes. It does support survivor's statements that dozens of strafing runs were made over 25 or more minutes. These facts alone should cause any reasonable person to very seriously doubt the "accident" explanation for the attack. Consider also this.

The aircraft flying at a typical cruising speed of 500mph would have burned about 10gal/min of fuel. In 25 minutes they would have each used 1,500-2,000lbs. The pilots wouldn't have consumed so much fuel over the target unless they had planned for it in advance.
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Re: AJ Cristol - A Historian Or A Zionist Lackey?
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2006, 11:26:36 AM »
Ahron?  Just looking at his picture makes me cringe.  He is a disgrace to our Navy and its uniform!
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Re: AJ Cristol - A Historian Or A Zionist Lackey?
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2006, 11:30:56 AM »
USA Today and Congress.org displayed letters... this coverup is getting exposure:

've sent emails a number of times to you and to Nevada State Congressional members about both topics but not one of you has ever
responded with anything positive.


https://ssl.capwiz.com/usatoday/bio/userletter/?letter_id=340769396&content_dir=congressorg
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Re: AJ Cristol - A Historian Or A Zionist Lackey?
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2006, 11:32:57 AM »
Cristol used fake pictures

The photo, claimed in the book to be provided to Cristol by the Israeli Air Force, as a gun camera photo, shows the USS Liberty flying no flag as it is attacked, with even a large splash of munition next to it. This of course reinforces Israel's claim there was no flag flying during the attack, which would then debunk the survivors' claim they had an American flag flying(and put up an even larger US flag after the first was shot down!).

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Re: AJ Cristol - A Historian Or A Zionist Lackey?
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2006, 09:02:37 PM »

This book is disgraceful , and is a slap to USS Liberty crew.

The book sets the benchmark for setting the record straight regarding the facts surrounding this incident. In fact, much of what Cristol has written comes directly from USS Liberty survivors.
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Re: AJ Cristol - A Historian Or A Zionist Lackey?
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2006, 09:12:01 PM »
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The book sets the benchmark for setting the record straight regarding the facts surrounding this incident. In fact, much of what Cristol has written comes directly from USS Liberty survivors.

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Re: AJ Cristol - A Historian Or A Zionist Lackey?
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2006, 09:31:25 PM »
Forget your sarcasm tag? No? You've got a problem then.

The problem, I think, is that many who spout off about this incident haven't the slightest idea about which they're speaking. All they know is the extent to which this incident serves as a convenient springboard to rant against "the Joos" and Israel.

The fact is that Cristol relies heavily upon the sworn testimony of USS Liberty survivors in the course of reaching his conclusions. And such, I would imagine, is a decidedly inconvenient stone in the shoe of many on this board. Except, perhaps, for Skunk. He'll just call them all Jew traitors (or some-such-other) and be done with them.
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Re: AJ Cristol - A Historian Or A Zionist Lackey?
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2006, 10:27:57 PM »

Since you are taking a strong stand, please answer:

Do you agree with Cristol - that there is no evidence Israel intentionally attacked a US ship?

Is there testimony from the crew saying that it seemed like the Israelis mistook their identity?

Did the Israelis jam Liberty's distress signals? 
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Re: AJ Cristol - A Historian Or A Zionist Lackey?
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2006, 08:17:13 AM »
Since you are taking a strong stand, please answer:

Do you agree with Cristol - that there is no evidence Israel intentionally attacked a US ship?

Yes, I agree with that. In fact, much of the evidence points toward it being a mistake. Israel acted stupidly and recklessly (perhaps criminally so), but the attack was not intended against a vessel that was known to be US.

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Is there testimony from the crew saying that it seemed like the Israelis mistook their identity?

Yes. William McGonagle (the ship's CO) acknowledged as much at the US Navy Inquiry. Other crew members (well... at least one) have praised Cristol's work, acknowledging (more or less) that the attack was in error.

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Did the Israelis jam Liberty's distress signals?

Such has never been positively established. True, there was testimony about "jamming" noises, but then there were others on the scene who have given differing interpretations as to the source. In any event, and with a flip of a dial, the Liberty did get off an apparently un-jammed distress signal.
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Re: AJ Cristol - A Historian Or A Zionist Lackey?
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2006, 08:52:29 AM »



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In fact, much of the evidence points toward it being a mistake.

The Israelis had been flying over the ship, low, for hours before they attacked.
Close enough to the ship for the pilots to exchange waves with the crewmen.
Why would Israelis wave to Egyptians they were making war on?

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True, there was testimony about "jamming" noises, but then there were others on the scene who have given differing interpretations as to the source.

The Israelis would have heard the crew broadcasting distress calls.  In English.
They would have seen her numbers and name painted on her hull.

Israel bombed an American Flagged vessel with napalm to burn her and her crew.

A seaborn holocaust which you deny. 

Your screen name, gel-ignite.  That's real funny, isn't it?

Another lying supremacist without class.  Nice job in cultivating the stereotype.

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Re: AJ Cristol - A Historian Or A Zionist Lackey?
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2006, 01:04:37 PM »
Next  thing the Jews will push is the Hungarian Gold Train

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Re: AJ Cristol - A Historian Or A Zionist Lackey?
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2006, 01:25:05 PM »

This book is disgraceful , and is a slap to USS Liberty crew.

That doesn't keep you from being a disgrace to the human race!!!
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Re: AJ Cristol - A Historian Or A Zionist Lackey?
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Re: AJ Cristol - A Historian Or A Zionist Lackey?
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2006, 04:24:39 PM »

A couple pilots made an error in judgement. You think the survivors and families of these men will find comfort in knowing that?
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Re: AJ Cristol - A Historian Or A Zionist Lackey?
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2006, 06:13:14 PM »
You have been properly chastised by the Zionist Princess.  Your day is done.  Go to your room and beg Yahweh's forgiveness.
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Re: AJ Cristol - A Historian Or A Zionist Lackey?
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2006, 06:20:31 PM »


This book is disgraceful , and is a slap to USS Liberty crew.


It sure is!
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Re: AJ Cristol - A Historian Or A Zionist Lackey?
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2006, 08:00:01 PM »
You have been properly chastised by the Zionist Princess.  Your day is done.  Go to your room and beg Yahweh's forgiveness.

She sure to me to the woodshed. She is pissed because I asked her if she changed her undies this week.