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Offline Existentialidiot

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[LF] Mixed feelings about LF
« on: February 27, 2006, 07:39:27 AM »
Now that I've been without LF for a few days, I'm having a hard time
seeing any point in returning to the status quo. I feel like it would be
similar to "Battered wife syndrome"; returning to an abusive relationship.
Did LF care about My feelings or My needs? In a word, No. LF as a medium
for online bickering, was unmatched by anything short of Usenet. When it
returned, it did so without fanfare or apologies to the LF faithful.

I've been disenchanted for some time, I spent a good deal of time finding
interesting and useful articles to post there. My flaglist was composed of
mostly people I had a great deal of admiration for. On the average, the
majority rarely bothered to comment on or discuss the articles I flagged them
to. I'm not even sure they even read them. Not very rewarding. I feel I
gave more to LF than I got out of it.

I never pretended to be a "Libertarian". Endless ruminations of how many
"libertarian" angels could dance on the head of a pin were boring to Me.
Perhaps I never really belonged there, at all. I'm in no great rush to return
to a non-stop internet argument. I don't see anything there that makes Me
want to go running back to a less-than-transparent system. I've got better
things to do with My time, than fight trolls and post articles that most don't
care to discuss. I may post there occasionally, but I can't see Myself wasting
a great deal of time there. I've been weaned off LF.
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Re: Mixed feelings about LF
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2006, 07:56:07 AM »
My flaglist was composed of mostly people I had a great deal of admiration for. On the average, the majority rarely bothered to comment on or discuss the articles I flagged them to. I'm not even sure they even read them. Not very rewarding.

Let me be the first to say that most people, during the day, spend their time on the forum at work. Not everytime they read something do they have time for a well-though out response, as it would take time to do so (which is why I keep them short). This is not solely an LF problem. If you go to any forum on the net, most posts will not contain a college level thought process - it takes time to do so. Most articles probably get read, or I would hope so.
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Re: Mixed feelings about LF
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2006, 08:00:52 AM »
That's true, there was no way of knowing.
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Re: Mixed feelings about LF
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2006, 08:21:49 AM »
I hear you and share your sentiments.  I didn't respond to most posts at LF because I agreed with them, or couldn't see a point worth debating.  Outside of flame-throwing topics like evolution there were only a few dissidenters (e.g., Down_South, Graves, WesPacSailor, Voegelin, Basil, SonOfLiberty, TaiKung, etc.) that I valued, not much for their insight, but rather for their debatable positions...in short, an interesting forum needs all points of view, especially radical ones (that have some logical support that is) for without debate not much is learned.
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Re: Mixed feelings about LF
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2006, 08:33:56 AM »
Whilst I may not have responded to every flag I received, I did read everything that I found interesting. Quite a bit of the flags I got were on subjects that did not interest me or did not relate to me. It would have been hard work trying to answer everthing you were flagged to even if it was only to agree with someone.

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Re: Mixed feelings about LF
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2006, 10:15:13 AM »
I hear you and share your sentiments.  I didn't respond to most posts at LF because I agreed with them, or couldn't see a point worth debating.  Outside of flame-throwing topics like evolution there were only a few dissidenters (e.g., Down_South, Graves, WesPacSailor, Voegelin, Basil, SonOfLiberty, TaiKung, etc.) that I valued, not much for their insight, but rather for their debatable positions...in short, an interesting forum needs all points of view, especially radical ones (that have some logical support that is) for without debate not much is learned.

Well said. Although I'm usually mildly appalled at the folks at LF who blame all of the world's ills on a single race of people, a group that includes some of my best friends, I still learn from them and I'll be doggonned if I'm going to be associated with any forum that doesn't allow absolute, undiluted free speech.
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Re: Mixed feelings about LF
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2006, 10:40:41 AM »
I hereby proclaim plagarism!
You basically copied and reworded an earlier post of mine in another thread!
bastage!  ;D

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Re: Mixed feelings about LF
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2006, 11:31:34 AM »
Sorry, Smokr. I must have missed that one.
Just feeling a bit disillusioned.
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Re: Mixed feelings about LF
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2006, 02:16:29 PM »
didja change your name here? ;)

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Re: Mixed feelings about LF
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2006, 02:41:02 PM »
I hear you and share your sentiments.  I didn't respond to most posts at LF because I agreed with them, or couldn't see a point worth debating.

This is my take as well.  I read most of the articles I'm flagged to (at least 75-80% of them, anyway) but if I see something I totally agree with I'm not usually going to post "Thanks for posting that awesome insight, my friend" instead leaving that to the NewsWatchers of the world.  And sometimes, I'll see an article that enrages me (about some civil liberty or other being flushed down the toilet) but I can't think of anything offhand that isn't a re-hash of an old argument. 

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Re: Mixed feelings about LF
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2006, 02:43:28 PM »
didja change your name here? ;)

Yes I did.
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Re: Mixed feelings about LF
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2006, 03:04:38 PM »
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Topic: Mixed feelings about LF  (Read 104+ times)
This can be a helpful indicator, as to the appreciation for you efforts - though not always.
In this case it could simply be the presence of the 'magical' two-letter combination in the title, or people simply needed to know what you are offering.
If it's the second, you should be pleased.

Edit: Changed the number - once.

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Re: Mixed feelings about LF
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2006, 03:09:25 PM »
This can be a helpful indicator, as to the appreciation for you efforts - though not always.
In this case it could simply be the presence of the 'magical' two-letter combination in the title, or people simply needed to know what you are offering.
If it's the second, you should be pleased.

Edit: Changed the number - once.


Now that's a very positive POV, thanks!
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Re: Mixed feelings about LF
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2006, 03:23:46 PM »
Mixed feelings is a good way to put it. There's already a nameless core group that posted on LF and kept it alive. More than likely LF would die a slow death if this group ignored LF.
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Re: Mixed feelings about LF
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2006, 03:39:18 PM »
Mixed feelings is a good way to put it. There's already a nameless core group that posted on LF and kept it alive. More than likely LF would die a slow death if this group ignored LF.



I always did what I could to keep LF alive. I'm tired, let someone else  pick up the torch. I'll do what I can for Nolajbs.
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Re: Mixed feelings about LF
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2006, 04:19:40 PM »
Folks don't always have the time to respond & comment to every flag. Moreover - they may not see a point in doing so when they may just be reiterating a point/sentiment/fact that someone else has previously stated - or simply feel that they do not have anything of real value to contribute to the topic at hand.

I have always appreciated being flagged - except in taverns.  :D

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Re: Mixed feelings about LF
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2006, 04:35:18 PM »

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There's already a nameless core group that posted on LF and kept it alive.

This is true, however following the OWK-led attempted coup it seemed many of those simply faded into the woodwork. What remained seemed to be a core group of easily offended narcissists.

Like most former LFrs here, I always read flagged articles and tended to wade in only if I found some fault with the arguements presented or found it exemplerary in what it presented. Or I posted my own finds and hoped it would reach as many as possible. Pretty much of what I hope to do hear.

I'll lurk on LF for the time being but I don't think I care to contribute to an outfit where the PTBs are totally rude and arrogant, surrounded by the mysteries of who is behind the scenes. That taints the truth seeking nature of us all in the most fundamental sense.
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Re: Mixed feelings about LF
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2006, 04:38:49 PM »
Let me be the first to say that most people, during the day, spend their time on the forum at work. Not everytime they read something do they have time for a well-though out response, as it would take time to do so (which is why I keep them short). This is not solely an LF problem. If you go to any forum on the net, most posts will not contain a college level thought process - it takes time to do so. Most articles probably get read, or I would hope so.

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Re: Mixed feelings about LF
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2006, 06:12:31 PM »
Would you be associated with a site where a poster doesn't list the state they live in?
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Re: Mixed feelings about LF
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2006, 06:15:06 PM »
That's so true.
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