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9/11 ATTACKS (Media is finally asking the important questions)
« on: February 25, 2006, 05:19:31 PM »

9/11 ATTACKS
Avoiding the hard questions
ROBERT STEINBACK

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/columnists/robert_steinback/13760721.htm

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"...A group of experts and academicians 'devoted to applying the principles of scientific reasoning to the available evidence, `letting the chips fall where they may,' '' last week accused the government of covering up evidence that the three destroyed New York City buildings were brought down that day by controlled demolition rather than structural failure. The group, called Scholars for 9/11 Truth, has a website, www.st911.org.

Unanswered questions

The reflexive first reaction is incredulity -- how, one asks, could anyone even contemplate, never mind actually do such a barbaric thing? But before you shut your mind, check the resumes -- these aren't Generation X geeks subsisting on potato chips and PlayStation. Then look at the case they present.

''I am a professional philosopher who has spent 35 years teaching logic, critical thinking and scientific reasoning,'' group co-founder and University of Minnesota professor James H. Fetzer told me. ``When I come to 9/11, it's not hard for me to determine what is going on. This is a scientific question. And it is so elementary that I don't think you can find a single physicist who could disagree with the idea that this was a controlled demolition.''

The group asks, for example,

`¢ How did a fire fed by jet fuel, which at most burns at 1,700 degrees Fahrenheit, cause the collapse of the Twin Towers, built of steel that melts at 2,800 degrees? (Most experts agree that the impact of airliners, made mostly of lightweight aluminum, should not have been enough alone to cause structural failure.) How could a single planeload of burning jet fuel -- most of which flared off in the initial fireball -- cause the South World Trade Center tower to collapse in just 56 minutes?

`¢ Why did building WTC-7 fall, though no aircraft struck it? Fire alone had never before caused a steel skyscraper to collapse.

`¢ Why did all three buildings collapse largely into their own footprints -- in the style of a controlled demolition?

`¢ Why did no U.S. military jet intercept the wayward aircraft?

`¢ Why has there been no investigation of BBC reports that five of the alleged 9/11 hijackers were alive and accounted for after the event?

Our current probe-ophobia is due in part to the political landscape: When one party holds all the cards, any call to investigate an alleged abuse of power or cover-up -- no matter how valid -- will look like a partisan vendetta. Those in power never want to investigate themselves.

Maybe that's politics; he who holds the hammer drives the nails. But the outrage of 9/11 transcends party affiliation.

We need all the outstanding questions answered -- wherever the chips may fall."

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Re: 9/11 ATTACKS (Media is finally asking the important questions)
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2006, 05:22:14 PM »
A hard-core indictment-of-an-article.  From the Miami Herald, no less.

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Re: 9/11 ATTACKS (Media is finally asking the important questions)
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2006, 06:16:52 PM »
It was posted on Feb 1st.  That's weeks ago.  Did it even make the paper itself, and if so when and on which page did they bury it?
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Re: 9/11 ATTACKS (Media is finally asking the important questions)
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2006, 02:52:23 AM »
AFAIK the only other paper that has commented on the 9/11 truth movement has been "The Village Voice".

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Re: 9/11 ATTACKS (Media is finally asking the important questions)
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2006, 03:12:57 AM »
Let's start from before any buildings fell down, and we head into the gray areas.
Where are the airport security camera photos?

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Re: 9/11 ATTACKS (Media is finally asking the important questions)
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2006, 04:01:49 AM »

`¢ Why did all three buildings collapse largely into their own footprints -- in the style of a controlled demolition?


Some more questions that need answering;
Why did FEMA state that they got to NY on the Sept. 10th ?

Why were 4 Israelis arrested filiming the crash and later released without charge ?
(One would later admit that their purpose that day was to "document the event")

How deeply involved in the events of Sept 11th was Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc.who was the person in charge of cleaning up the WTC sites and also the Murrah building in Oklahoma ?
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2006, 05:30:20 AM »
Before any buildings fell down, there was a conspiracy.  Problem is that after almost five years, we still don't know which one to believe.  I tend toward "it was an inside job and several intelligence agencies were involved" but I can't be sure.  One problem is the apparent drug connection down in Florida.  And if the towers and No.7 were wired beforehand, that might create another problem to the "Pearl Harbor" conspiracy theory.

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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2006, 05:41:15 AM »
Some more questions that need answering;
Why did FEMA state that they got to NY on the Sept. 10th ?


Part of the anti-terrorism exercises planned for 9/11?

Why were 4 Israelis arrested filiming the crash and later released without charge ?
(One would later admit that their purpose that day was to "document the event")


Lots of people were photographing.  I'm more interested in those "Germans" who kept visiting Atta.  Mossad often travels under German passports pretending to be Germans.  Its easy for them to do so.

How deeply involved in the events of Sept 11th was Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc.who was the person in charge of cleaning up the WTC sites and also the Murrah building in Oklahoma ?

Possibly his experience made him the best choice for the job.  Or perhaps his ability to keep his mouth shut.  We don't know yet which it was.  And we don't have a plausible motive yet for deliberately destroying the trade center.  An insurance scam?  Possibly as Silverstein only took over the buildings in April which looks kinda strange.  Destruction of evidence stored in the federal spook building (No. 7)?  Possibly because of the drug connection in Florida but there should have been an easier way to get at it, especially since the Florida drug connection was also CIA connected. 

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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2006, 05:44:23 AM »
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Let's start from before any buildings fell down, and we head into the gray areas.

Absolutely! Where are the Logan video tapes, the Pentagon tapes, the black boxes, and aircraft audio tapes?

The above article is misdirection and nowhere near asking any important questions.

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Re: 9/11 ATTACKS (Media is finally asking the important questions)
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2006, 07:29:49 AM »
Some more questions that need answering;

Part of the anti-terrorism exercises planned for 9/11?

Why were 4 Israelis arrested filiming the crash and later released without charge ?
(One would later admit that their purpose that day was to "document the event")


Lots of people were photographing.  I'm more interested in those "Germans" who kept visiting Atta.  Mossad often travels under German passports pretending to be Germans.  Its easy for them to do so.

How deeply involved in the events of Sept 11th was Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc.who was the person in charge of cleaning up the WTC sites and also the Murrah building in Oklahoma ?

Possibly his experience made him the best choice for the job.  Or perhaps his ability to keep his mouth shut.  We don't know yet which it was.  And we don't have a plausible motive yet for deliberately destroying the trade center.  An insurance scam?  Possibly as Silverstein only took over the buildings in April which looks kinda strange.  Destruction of evidence stored in the federal spook building (No. 7)?  Possibly because of the drug connection in Florida but there should have been an easier way to get at it, especially since the Florida drug connection was also CIA connected. 

Hi Ada

Lots of people were photographing.....

How many of them were Israelis with military training ?

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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2006, 08:49:35 AM »
All Israelis, except rabbinical students, serve in the military.  This particular group, however, worked for a shady Israeli moving company which disappeared almost immediately.

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The Five Dancing Israelis
Arrested On 9-11


As the world watched in disbelief and asked the question...

 

...Mossad operatives were seen dancing with joy.



 
 A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11.

The men set up cameras by the Hudson River and trained them on the twin towers. (1) 

Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2)

"They were like happy, you know `¦ They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness. (3)

[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4) 

Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (6)
 

"It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park." (7) 

One anonymous phone call to the authorities actually led them to close down all of New York's bridges and tunnels. The mystery caller told the 9-1-1 dispatcher that a group of Palestinians were mixing a bomb inside of a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. Here's the transcript from NBC News:

Dispatcher: Jersey City police.
Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.
Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.
Dispatcher: He has what?
Caller: He's dressed like an Arab. (8) 

(*Writer's note: Why would this mystery caller specifically say that these "Arabs" were Palestinians? How would he know that? Palestinians usually dress in western style clothes, not "sheikh uniforms")
 

  Based on that phone call, police then issued a "Be-on-the-Lookout" alert for a white mini-van heading for the city's bridges and tunnels from New Jersey. When a van fitting that exact description was stopped just before crossing into New York, the suspicious "middle-easterners" were apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these terror suspects turned out to be Israelis!
According to ABC`s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers:
 

"We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem." (9) 

Why did he feel that Palestinians were a problem for the NYPD?

The police and FBI field agents became very suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives. (10)

The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smouldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture. (11) 

The Jerusalem Post later reported that a white van with a bomb was stopped as it approached the George Washington Bridge, but the ethnicity of the suspects was not revealed. Here's what the Jerusalem Post reported on September 12, 2001:

American security services overnight stopped a car bomb on the George Washington Bridge. The van, packed with explosives, was stopped on an approach ramp to the bridge. Authorities suspect the terrorists intended to blow up the main crossing between New Jersey and New York, Army Radio reported. (12) 

TCM Breaking News reported that the van was laden down with tonnes of explosives (13).

What's really intriguing is that ABC's 20/20 (14), the New York Post (15), and the New Jersey Bergen Record (16) all clearly and unambiguously reported that a white van with Israelis was intercepted on a ramp near Route 3, which leads directly to the Lincoln Tunnel.

But the Jerusalem Post, Israeli National News (Arutz Sheva) (17), and Yediot America, (18) all reported, just as clearly and unambiguously, that a white van with Israelis was stopped on a ramp leading to the George Washington Bridge, which is several miles north of the Lincoln Tunnel.

It appears as if there may actually have been two white vans involved, one stopped on each crossing. This would not only explain the conflicting reports as to the actual location of the arrests, but would also explain how so many credible eye-witnesses all saw celebrating "middle-easterners" in a white van in so many different locations. It also explains why the New York Post and Steve Gordon (lawyer for the 5 Israelis) originally described how three Israelis were arrested but later increased the total to five.
Perhaps one van was meant to drop off a bomb while the other was meant to pick up the first set of drivers while re-crossing back into New Jersey? If a van was to be used as a parked time-bomb on the GW Bridge, then certainly the drivers would need to have a "get-away van" to pick them up and escape. And notice how the van (or vans) stayed away from the third major crossing -the Holland Tunnel- which was where the police had originally been directed to by that anti-Palestinian 9-1-1 "mystery caller". A classic misdirection play.
 

From there, the story gets becomes even more suspicious. The Israelis worked for a Weehawken moving company known as Urban Moving Systems. An American employee of Urban Moving Systems told the The Record of New Jersey that a majority of his co-workers were Israelis and they were joking about the attacks.

The employee, who declined to give his name said: "I was in tears. These guys were joking and that bothered me." These guys were like, "Now America knows what we go through." (19) 

A few days after the attacks, Urban Moving System's Israeli owner, Dominick Suter, dropped his business and fled the country for Israel. He was in such a hurry to flee America that some of Urban Moving System's customers were left with their furniture stranded in storage facilities (20).

It was later confirmed that the five detained Israelis were in fact Mossad agents (21). They were held in custody for 71 days before being quietly released. Some of the movers had been kept in solitary confinement for 40 days. (22)

everal of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home.
Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event." (23)
 

How did they know there would be an event to document on 9/11?

It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to connect the dots of the dancing Israeli Mossad agents - here's the most logical scenario:

1. The Israeli "movers" cheered the 9-11 attacks to celebrate the successful accomplishment of the greatest spy operation ever pulled off in history.
2. One of them, or an accomplice, then calls a 9-1-1 police dispatcher to report Palestinian bomb-makers in a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel.

3. Having thus pre-framed the Palestinians with this phone call, the Israeli bombers then head for the George Washington Bridge instead, where they will drop off their time-bomb van and escape with Urban Moving accomplices.

4. But the police react very wisely and proactively by closing off ALL bridges and tunnels instead of just the Holland Tunnel. This move inadvertently foils the Israelis' misdirection play and leads to their own capture and 40 day torture.

5. To cover up this story, the U.S. Justice Department rounds up over 1000 Arabs for minor immigration violations and places them in New York area jails. The Israelis therefore become less conspicuous as the government and media can now claim that the Israelis were just immigration violators caught in the same dragnet as many other Arabs.

6. After several months, FBI and Justice Department "higher-ups" are able to gradually push aside the local FBI agents and free the Israelis quietly.
 

Osama bin Laden was immediately blamed for the 9/11 attacks even though he had no previous record of doing anything on this scale. Immediately after the Flight 11 hit World Trade Center 1
CIA Director George Tenet said "You know, this has bin Laden's fingerprints all over it." (24)

The compliant mainstream media completely ignored the Israeli connection. Immediately following the 9-11 attacks the media was filled with stories linking the attacks to bin Laden. TV talking-heads, "experts", and scribblers of every stripe spoon-fed a gullible American public a steady diet of the most outrageous propaganda imaginable.

We were told that the reason bin Laden attacked the USA was because he hates our "freedom" and "democracy". The Muslims were "medieval" and they wanted to destroy us because they envied our wealth, were still bitter about the Crusades, and were offended by Britney Spears shaking her tits and ass all over the place!

But bin Laden strongly denied any role in the attacks and suggested that Zionists orchestrated the
9-11 attacks. The BBC published bin Laden's statement of denial in which he said:

"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States." (25)

You never heard that quote on your nightly newscast did you?

[A] number of intelligence officials have raised questions about Osama bin Laden's capabilities. "This guy sits in a cave in Afghanistan and he's running this operation?" one C.I.A. official asked. "It's so huge. He couldn't have done it alone." A senior military officer told me that because of the visas and other documentation needed to infiltrate team members into the United States a major foreign intelligence service might also have been involved. (26)
 

The FBI's most wanted fugitives page does not name bin Laden as the perpetrator of 9/11:

USAMA BIN LADEN IS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE AUGUST 7, 1998, BOMBINGS OF THE UNITED STATES EMBASSIES IN DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND NAIROBI, KENYA. THESE ATTACKS KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE. IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. (27)
 

To date, the only shred of `evidence` to be uncovered against bin Laden was a barely audible fuzzy amateur video that the Pentagon just happened to find "lying around" in Afghanistan. How very convenient, and how very fake. (28)

There is no evidence, be it hard or circumstantial, to link the Al Qaeda "terrorist network" to these acts of terror, but there is a mountain of evidence, both hard and circumstantial, which suggests that Zionists have been very busy framing Arabs for terror plots against America.
 

One final point - at 09:40 on 9/11 it was reported that the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for the attacks (29). This claim was immediately denied by the DFLP leader Qais abu Leila who said it had always opposed "terror attacks on civilian targets, especially outside the occupied territories." (30)

9/11 CNN streamed RealVideo item mentioning a Palestinian claim of responsibility
 

Why would a Palestinian organisation comprising of less than 500 people (31) make the suicidal move of immediately claiming responsibility for the attacks?

Sharon and the other Israeli leaders aspire to fulfill what the goals of the political Zionist movement have been since its origin a century ago: to turn all of historic Palestine into an exclusively Jewish state. A central tenet of the Zionist ideology is expressed in the racist slogan, "A land without people for a people without a land." (32) 

The implication of Palestinians in the 9/11 attacks would have handed Zionists a golden opportunity to achieve the above because all Palestinians would have been labelled terrorists.
 


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"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."
US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring.
 
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
Motto of the Mossad
 


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Re: 9/11 ATTACKS (Media is finally asking the important questions)
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2006, 10:40:47 AM »
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The above article is misdirection and nowhere near asking any important questions.

The conspirators made sure to create multiple issues to keep everyone  speculating about everything and anything but the basics.
The videos are a good place to start. I don't want to hear anything else until the video question is answered. Is this a f*cking no brainer, or what?

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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2006, 11:52:49 AM »
Ground Control, Nice to see an article by you on WRH! Nice Job!
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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2006, 11:54:18 AM »
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The videos are a good place to start. I don't want to hear anything else until the video question is answered. Is this a f*cking no brainer, or what?

Absolutely, me too, yes it's a f*cking no brainer.
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« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2006, 12:23:59 PM »
What video question?

Unnecessary complexity makes for a bad plan--too many things to go wrong.

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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2006, 12:30:21 PM »
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Where are the Logan video tapes, the Pentagon tapes, the black boxes, and aircraft audio tapes?

Yes.  We need all info.

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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2006, 12:35:38 PM »
Thank you, it is an honor to be posted there.

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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2006, 12:40:18 PM »
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What video question?

Ok, I'll make this real simple. Where are the thousands of stills taken at the f*cking airports on September 11 2001?

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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2006, 12:43:25 PM »
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Unnecessary complexity makes for a bad plan--too many things to go wrong.

Secret robot planes flew the passengers to secret location where they were loaded unto another plane and dumped in the sea for the fish to eat them. Meanwhile, back in NY the demo crew coordinated the holograms with the demolitions to make it appear as if actual planes crashed into the WTC.

Or, Jewish agent Daniel Lewin blew the pilot's brain across the windscreen, as did his countertpart on 175(probably Alona Abraham, the woman hijacker on 9-11 that we know of) -- they then took over the planes and crashed them into the WTC.
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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2006, 12:46:49 PM »
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Ok, I'll make this real simple. Where are the thousands of stills taken at the f*cking airports on September 11 2001?

The videos are not important because the planes were flown by remote control.
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