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« on: January 19, 2013, 10:07:00 AM »
A majority of Americans approve of President Barack Obama's proposals
for laws further restricting availability of guns and ammunition,
a Gallup poll has found.




Jan. 19, 2013 ~ source

Fifty-three percent said they would want their congressional representatives to vote in favor of the president's proposals, while 41 percent said they would want their representatives to vote against them, The Hill reported Saturday.

Obama and Vice President Joe Biden Wednesday unveiled 23 executive actions the president has signed on gun safety and the president called for universal background checks on gun buyers.

The president asked Congress to restore the federal ban on military-style assault weapons and limit the size of ammunition magazines.

Gallup found 82 percent of Democrats favored the proposals while 15 percent opposed them. Seventy-two percent of Republicans polled opposed the regulations, while 22 percent approved.

"The highly partisan reaction to the proposal among rank-and-file Americans underscores what is likely to be a highly partisan political negotiation in the Senate and in the House in the weeks and months ahead," Gallup said in a statement announcing the results.

The poll, released late Friday, surveyed 1,021 adults. It was conducted Thursday, the day after Obama's announcement. It has a 4 percentage point margin of error.

One wonders who these 1021 adults are???
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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2013, 11:07:53 AM »
One wonders who these 1021 adults are???

going out on limb here and saying probably was not an a NASCAR race audience.

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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2013, 12:42:17 PM »
That poll is bullshit.
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2013, 12:47:08 PM »
I still can't find ammo on the shelves in my area. I take this as a factual poll.

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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2013, 03:29:48 PM »
I still can't find ammo on the shelves in my area. I take this as a factual poll.

Is your second sentence a conclusion based on the first?

I've assumed that the ammo is wiped out for the same reason the guns are - people know what's coming. Guns are just expensive decorations without bullets. Where I live you can barely find either, now.
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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2013, 03:48:19 PM »
ALL polls are bullshit
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2013, 04:14:25 PM »
Texas lawmakers threaten to arrest feds enforcing Obama’s gun control orders



Saturday Jan 19, 2013 ~ http://www.presstv.ir/usdetail/284422.html

The state of Texas has a reputation for being fiercely independent, a trait that has been on display again recently as the Obama administration and some members of Congress consider sweeping new gun control legislation.

In response to legislative measures already proposed, as well as others said to be under consideration by the White House, a group of Texas lawmakers are laying down a gauntlet: New federal laws, regulations and policies found to be in violation of the Second Amendment will not be enforceable in the Lone Star State.

Led by state Rep. Steve Roth, R-The Woodlands, some lawmakers have “begun the process to file legislation assisting the protection of the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution,” YourHoustonNews.com reported.

“We can no longer depend on the federal government”

The bill, known as the “Firearms Protection Act,” would make any federal provision banning semi-automatic firearms or limiting the number of bullets in gun magazines unenforceable within state boundaries. Further, provisions in the bill make it a felony for anyone trying to enforce a federal gun ban in Texas. Prison Planet

FACTS & FIGURES

President Obama appointed Vice President Joe Biden to lead a task force to make recommendations over gun control. Biden has convened a series of meetings to build a consensus among the NRA, gun owners, and anti-gun proponents. ABC Local

President Obama on Wednesday formally proposed the most expansive gun-control policies in generations and initiated 23 separate executive actions aimed at curbing what he called “the epidemic of gun violence in this country.”

The National Rifle Association has prevented passage of another assault weapons ban since one expired in 2004. But some lawmakers say the Newtown tragedy has transformed the country and Americans are ready for stricter gun laws. Boston Globe

Gun dealers around the country have seen a spike in gun sales after the school shooting and renewed talk of a federal ban on assault weapons. Boston Globe

Background checks for gun buyers increased nearly 60% from December 2011 to December 2012. The FBI has already recorded 16.5 million background checks from Jan. 1, 2012 to November 2012 - the most on record.

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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2013, 10:06:24 PM »
Pro-gun activists flood US state capitals defending right to bear arms

Published: 20 January, 2013, 05:59
source: http://rt.com/usa/news/pro-gun-rallies-us-344/


Jared Jeanotte of Long Island, New York, displays a sign during
the Guns Across America pro-gun rally at the State Capitol in Albany,
New York, January 19, 2013. (Reuters / Hans Pennink)


Pro-gun rallies have been held across the US demanding the White House curb its sweeping new gun-control proposals and to defend the second amendment of the constitution.

­Thousands of protestors took to the streets across the US, after a massive social-media grass roots initiative called “Guns Across America,” called on Americans to defend the right to bear arms guaranteed by the second amendment of the constitution.

Most of weapons advocates gathered next to state capitol buildings, where on-going discussions on gun control are taking place following December’s Sandy Hook massacre. 

Around two thousand people took to the streets of New York. Other locations throughout the nation witnessed crowd of different sizes, from dozens of people in South Dakota to around 600 people Austin, Texas.

"An Armed Society is a Polite Society," and "The Second Amendment Comes from God," were among the slogans used by the people to protect their constitutional right.

In some states, like Arizona and Oregon, men came with rifles on their backs.

In Connecticut where the December 14 tragedy unfolded, more than 1,000 people urged the authorities not implement new restrictions on gun possession.

On December 14, 2012, Adam Lanza burst into Sandy Hook Elementary School killing  twenty children and six teachers in Newtown, Connecticut. The second-deadliest school shooting in US history, after the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre, sparked a debate over the fate of the second amendment.

This Wednesday, President Barack Obama called on Congress to pass a number of proposals that could allow for sweeping new gun laws across the country. If approved, the measures will ban the buying and selling of certain assault weapons, close loopholes that circumvent a background check requirement, impose limits on ammunition purchases and more.

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo signed into law Tuesday gun control legislation banning military-style rifles and imposing tighter restrictions on ammunition.


Lanell Babbage-Torres holds a sign as she listens to speakers during the Guns Across America pro-gun rally at
the State Capitol in Atlanta, Georgia, January 19, 2013. (Reuters / Tami Chappell)



Nine year old Summer Stayton sits on her dad Jason Stayton's shoulders as they listen to speakers during the
Guns Across America pro-gun rally at the State Capitol in Atlanta, Georgia, January 19, 2013. (Reuters / Tami Chappell)



Tom Rycroft (R), stands with his sons Austin (L), and Wyatt (C) as they
wait for the Guns Across America pro-gun rally at the State Capitol in Atlanta,
Georgia, January 19, 2013. (Reuters / Tami Chappell)



A couple hold a banner during the Guns Across America pro-gun rally at the State Capitol in Denver, Colorado,
January 19, 2013. (Reuters / Mark Leffingwell)



Gun legislation protesters hold signs during the Guns Across America pro-gun rally at the State Capitol in Denver,
Colorado, January 19, 2013. (Reuters / Mark Leffingwell)



Bob Dobyns speaks as several hundred people listen during the
Guns Across America pro-gun rally at the State Capitol in Denver, Colorado,
January 19, 2013. (Reuters / Mark Leffingwell)



Jay Hartley carries his 8 year old daughter during the Guns Across America pro-gun rally at the State Capitol in
Hartford, Connecticut, January 19, 2013. (Reuters / Michelle McLoughlin)



Hundreds of people gather for the Guns Across America pro-gun rally at the State Capitol in Hartford, Connecticut,
January 19, 2013. (Reuters / Michelle McLoughlin)



An 8 year old girl holds a sign during the Guns Across America pro-gun rally at the State Capitol in Hartford,
Connecticut, January 19, 2013. (Reuters / Michelle McLoughlin)



An unidentified man carries an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle during the
Guns Across America pro-gun rally at the State Capitol in Hartford, Connecticut,
January 19, 2013. (Reuters / Michelle McLoughlin)



John Noto of Springville, New York, displays signs prior to the start of the Guns Across America pro-gun rally at
the State Capitol in Albany, New York, January 19, 2013. (Reuters / Hans Pennink)
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2013, 10:36:01 PM »


Good to see so many people protesting against gun control.
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2013, 08:10:42 AM »
I just watched Obama's swearing-in a few minutes ago. Was waiting for Chief Justice Roberts to make him solemnly swear that Obamacare is a tax.  ;D
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2013, 08:12:27 AM »
I normally think Ann Coulter's an ass, but every now and then she's got the cajones to say something that nobody else in the media will.

Video at link.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/15/coulter-not-a-gun-problem-u-s-has-demographic-problem-with-non-whites/

Ann Coulter is insisting that guns don’t kill people, non-white people kill people.

The conservative columnist on Monday told Fox News host Sean Hannity that the country had a “demographic problem” because “white populations” in the U.S. and Belgium had the same low murder rate.

“As you know, I just got back from England,” Coulter explained. “On the gun crimes, we keep hearing how low they are in Europe and, ‘Oh, they’re so low and they have no guns.’ If you compare white populations, we have the same murder rate as Belgium.”


“So, perhaps, it’s not a gun problem, it is a demographic problem
, which liberals are the one are pushing, pushing, pushing, ‘Let’s add more [African-American mass murderer] Colin Fergusons and more whoever the [Muslim] guy was who shot up Fort Hood.’ Why are they coming in to begin with?”

Coulter suggested that if President Barack Obama decided to use an executive order to ban high-capacity magazines then the next Republican president should respond by banning “abortionists and abortion clinics.”

“It’s when you have a home invasion that you need a large-capacity magazine, especially if you are a female who isn’t constantly at the gun range,” she opined.


 :D ;D :D ;)
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2013, 09:20:27 AM »
Crowd rallies at Oklahoma Capitol for gun rights

BY VALLERY BROWN vbrown@opubco.com | Published: January 20, 2013    Comment on this article 8
source: http://newsok.com/article/3747600


Speakers at the rally in Oklahoma City spoke about
their concern that gun rights are being eroded by
a tyrannical federal government.

 
About 2,000 people assembled Saturday near the steps of the Oklahoma Capitol, holding signs about the Second Amendment and booing at mentions of President Barack Obama and any type of gun restriction.

The rally, organized by the group Guns Across America on social media sites, took place at noon on the Capitol's south plaza. Similar rallies were planned elsewhere across the country in response to gun control measures proposed in the wake of the school shooting in Connecticut last month.

No problems reported

Trooper Betsy Randolph, an Oklahoma Highway Patrol spokeswoman, attended the rally and estimated there were about 2,000 people there. She said no problems were reported or observed.

Bryan Hull, a founder of the Oklahoma Open Carry Association, helped plan the event in Oklahoma City.

“No more gun control,” he told the crowd. “Especially if you can't enforce the laws you already have.”

Many in the audience wore holsters with their open carry firearms.

State Reps. Sally Kern, R-Oklahoma City, Paul Wesselhoft, R-Moore, and John Enns, R-Enid, spoke or were among those in attendance. State Sen. Nathan Dahm, R-Broken Arrow, also spoke.

Proposed actions

Many viewed President Barack Obama's recent call to renew the Assault Weapons Ban, limit the sales of high-capacity magazines and other proposed congressional and executive actions as a way to strip citizens of the right to own guns.

“There's been a lot bandied about in Washington on magazine limits,” Hull said. “The only limit there should be is how many rounds your gun can feed reliably,” he said.
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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2013, 06:35:29 PM »
Is your second sentence a conclusion based on the first?

I've assumed that the ammo is wiped out for the same reason the guns are - people know what's coming. Guns are just expensive decorations without bullets. Where I live you can barely find either, now.

Yes. The empty shelves seem to prove the so called arms control polls are bs.

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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2013, 07:05:22 AM »

If Vicky had a gun ...

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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2013, 08:48:35 AM »
Nine out of 10 Americans back Obama gun regulations - poll

Published: 24 January, 2013, 17:42
source: http://rt.com/usa/news/gun-regulation-obama-poll-644/


A customer looks over a Glock 29 10mm hand gun at the
Guns-R-Us gun shop in Phoenix, Arizona (Reuters/Ralph D. Freso)


A sweeping majority of citizens support Obama’s initiative to install new gun laws in the US, a new Gallup poll reveals. Two thirds go as far as supporting restrictions likely to usher heated debate between Democrats and Republicans in Congress.

­A ban is a major point of division between Democrats and Republicans which is likely to usher heated confrontation in Congress.

When given a chance to have their say on each of nine key proposals, made by US president Barack Obama, most respondents supported all nine. Interestingly, none of the participants knew they had actually been walked through the presidential proposals.

The strongest 'thumbs-up' was for the requirement for criminal background checks for all gun sales – 91 per cent of Americans say it's necessary. Eighty-two per cent believe the government should spend more on mental health programs for youth. Almost the same number of people – 79 per cent – say police officers and first responders should receive much better training to know what to do in cases of active armed attacks.


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When asked to prioritize between gun laws and school security/mental health measures, most Gallup respondents still opted for the latter.­


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Seventy-five per cent favor increasing criminal penalties for so-called 'straw purchasers', people who buy guns for others restricted from having weapons of their own. Currently, no federal laws specifically outlaw straw purchasing. Offenders typically face probation for paperwork violations, while the arms obtained are already at large.

More than two thirds of Americans say armor-piercing bullets must be banned from open sale, reserved for members of the military and law enforcement only. The same support was received by the proposal to bring resurrect, maybe even in a more aggressive form, the 1994-2004 assault weapons ban.

Notably, it's not the first time that Gallup has questioned people about the proposed gun violence regulations. Similar research took place last week, only Obama's plan was brought forth in one package. That poll only attracted 53 per cent of sympathizers. Either something affected public opinion in the space of a week or the plan looks more readable when broken into separate pieces.

At the same time, the 54 per cent in favor of limiting gun magazines to maximum 10 rounds is a lower number than that in December (62 per cent) when the same question was worded somewhat differently. The devil is in the details, they say, and sometimes you need those details described to get the devil out.

The results of the poll are based on phone interviews carried out January 19-20, when Gallup talked to 1,013 random adults aged 18 and older, living in all 50 US states and the District of Columbia.

Now that Obama has put forward his suggestions of how gun violence can be reduced in the US, it’s Congress’ turn to look closer into it and prioritize, and it's a good chance the proposals will be considered separately.

Democrats are now showing more support for each proposal than Republicans, still majorities of both partisan groups seem united on seven of the nine articles. The only two proposals they dramatically differ on are the ones about banning sales of guns or ammunition, backed by Democrats, but rejected by Republicans.

The mass shooting at Sandy Hook school in Connecticut, which saw 26 people killed last month, shattered American society and raised the question of weapons regulation to a whole new level. Public debates have been raging ever since as to whether it is safer with a gun or without. Gun advocates like the National Rifle Association (NRA) say it’s exactly the weapons that ensure a person's security. Frequent bloody shootings across the country make many people doubt that is true.

Obama has stepped forward with 23 executive orders on the matter as well as a package of proposals to be put before Congress. Now it's up to the American lawmakers to decide how they will contribute to increased American safety.

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« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2013, 09:36:29 AM »
Their polls are as phony as their elections.


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« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2013, 10:58:53 AM »
Wal mart, USAs largest retailer and employer, has barren shelves of ammo...I took a look yesterday. 
1 box of 44mag, and 1 box of 308.  That was it.

I take that as Americans are very concerned.

This poll is absolute horseshit.  But what else is new with regard to mainstream news?
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« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2013, 11:14:58 AM »
I take that as Americans are very concerned.

But happily they apply for background checks for their 'firearms' purchases. Their concern is misplaced as long as they comply with a third party requirement by vendors who have subscribed to a firearms sales license. Getting on a list that allows the authorities to find you and disarm you whenever they feel they can is nothing short of stupid.
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« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2013, 11:33:28 AM »
The following is an excerpt from the book of the same title, available from National Vanguard Books, PO Box 330, Hillsboro WV 24946 USA.

Gun Control in Germany, 1928-1945

by William L. Pierce


A common belief among defenders of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is that the National Socialist government of Germany under Adolf Hitler did not permit the private ownership of firearms. Totalitarian governments, they have been taught in their high school civics classes, do not trust their citizens and do not dare permit them to keep firearms. Thus, one often hears the statement, "You know, the first thing the Nazis did when they came to power was outlaw firearms," or, "The first thing Hitler did in Germany was round up all the guns."

One can understand why many American gun owners want to believe this. They see in the current effort of their own government to take away their right to keep and bear arms a limitation of an essential element of their freedom and a move toward tyranny, and they want to characterize the gun-grabbers in the most negative way they can. Adolf Hitler has been vilified continuously for the past 60 years or so by the mass media in America, and certainly no politician or officeholder wants to be compared with him. If the gun-confiscation effort can be portrayed convincingly as something of which Hitler would have approved, it will have been effectively tarred.

This identification of the inclination to deny citizens the right to keep and bear arms with National Socialism and Adolf Hitler has been strengthened recently by clever magazine advertisements which show Hitler with his arm outstretched in a Roman salute under a heading: "All in favor of gun control raise your right hand." A Jewish group, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO), quite noisy for its size, has been especially zealous in promoting the idea that the current gun-control effort in America has its roots in Germany during the Hitler period. This group has gone so far as to claim in several articles published in popular magazines read by firearms enthusiasts that the current restrictive legislation being proposed by the U.S. government is modeled on a gun-control statute enacted by Germany's National Socialist government: the German Weapons Law (Waffengesetz) of March 18, 1938.

Again, one can understand the motivation of the JPFO. Many non-Jewish firearms owners are well aware that the movement to restrict their rights is led and promoted primarily by Jews, and anti-Jewish feeling has been growing among them. They know that the controlled news media, which are almost unanimously in favor of abridging or abolishing the Second Amendment, are very much under the influence of Jews, and they know that the most vocal anti-gun legislators in the Congress also are Jews. It is natural for a group such as the JPFO to mount a damage- control effort and attempt to prevent anti-Jewish feeling from becoming even stronger among gun owners. Their strategy is to deflect the blame from their kinsmen in the media and the government and direct it onto their most hated enemies, the National Socialists -- or at least to create enough smoke to obscure the facts and keep the gun-owning public confused.

Unfortunately for those who would like to link Hitler and the National Socialists with gun control, the entire premise for such an effort is false. German firearms legislation under Hitler, far from banning private ownership, actually facilitated the keeping and bearing of arms by German citizens by eliminating or ameliorating restrictive laws which had been enacted by the government preceding his: a left-center government which had contained a number of Jews.

It is not just that the National Socialist firearms legislation was the opposite of what it has been claimed to have been by persons who want to tar modern gun-grabbers with the "Nazi" brush: the whole spirit of Hitler's government was starkly different from its portrayal by America's mass media. The facts, in brief, are these:

    The National Socialist government of Germany, unlike the government in Washington today, did not fear its citizens. Adolf Hitler was the most popular leader Germany has ever had. Unlike American presidents, he did not have to wear body armor and have shields of bulletproof glass in front of him whenever he spoke in public. At public celebrations he rode standing in an open car as it moved slowly through cheering crowds. Communists made several attempts to assassinate him, and his government stamped down hard on communism, virtually wiping it out in Germany. Between upright, law-abiding German citizens and Adolf Hitler, however, there was a real love affair, with mutual trust and respect.

    The spirit of National Socialism was one of manliness, and individual self-defense and self- reliance were central to the National Socialist view of the way a citizen should behave. The notion of banning firearms ownership was utterly alien to National Socialism. In the German universities, where National Socialism gained its earliest footholds and which later became its strongest bastions, dueling was an accepted practice. Although the liberal-Jewish governments in Germany after the First World War attempted to ban dueling, it persisted illegally until it was again legalized by the National Socialists. Fencing, target shooting, and other martial arts were immensely popular in Germany, and the National Socialists encouraged young Germans to become proficient in these activities, believing that they were important for the development of a man's character.

    Gun registration and licensing (for long guns as well as for handguns) were legislated by an anti-National Socialist government in Germany in 1928, five years before the National Socialists gained power. Hitler became Chancellor on January 30, 1933. Five years later his government got around to rewriting the gun law enacted a decade earlier by his predecessors, substantially amel ior a ting it in the process (for example, long guns were exempted from the requirement for a purchase permit; the legal age for gun ownership was lowered from 20 to 18 years; the period of validity of a permit to carry weapons was extended from one to three years; and provisions restricting the amount of ammunition or the number of firearms an individual could own were dropped). Hitler's government may be criticized for leaving certain restrictions and licensing requirements in the law, but the National Socialists had no intention of preventing law-abiding Germans from keeping or bearing arms. Again, the firearms law enacted by Hitler's government enhanced the rights of Germans to keep and bear arms; no new restrictions were added, and many pre-existing restrictions were relaxed or eliminated.

    At the end of the Second World War, American GIs in the occupying force were astounded to discover how many German civilians owned private firearms. Tens of thousands of pistols looted from German homes by GIs were brought back to the United States after the war. In 1945 General Eisenhower ordered all privately owned firearms in the American occupation zone of Germany confiscated, and Germans were required to hand in their shotguns and rifles as well as any handguns which had not already been stolen. In the Soviet occupation zone German civilians were summarily shot if they were found in possession of even a single cartridge.

    Jews, it should be noted, were not Germans, even if they had been born in Germany. The National Socialists defined citizenship in ethnic terms, and under Hitler Jews were not accorded full rights of citizenship. National Socialist legislation progressively excluded Jews from key professions: teaching, the media, the practice of law, etc. The aim was not only to free German life from an oppressive and degenerative Jewish influence, but to persuade Jews to emigrate. The German Weapons Law of March 18, 1938, specifically excluded Jews from manufacturing or dealing in firearms or munitions, but it did not exclude them from owning or bearing personal firearms. The exclusion of Jews from the firearms business rankled them as much as any other exclusion, and in their typically ethnocentric fashion they have misrepresented the law involved as an anti-gun law in an effort to cast their enemies in a bad light.

It should be noted in passing that the restrictions placed on Jews by the National Socialists had the intended effect: between 1933 and 1939 two-thirds of the Jews residing in Germany emigrated, reducing the Jewish population of the country from 600,000 when Hitler became Chancellor in 1933 to 200,000 at the outbreak of the Second World War in 1939. Jews in the United States, looking at this period from their own narrowly focused viewpoint, have described these peacetime years of the National Socialist government as a time of darkness, terror, and regression, whereas for the German people it was a time of hope, joy, and spiritual and material renewal.

Much the same type of distortion is seen in the portrayal of the United States in the early 1950s: the so-called "McCarthy Era." Senator Joseph McCarthy (Republican, Wisconsin) used his position as chairman of the Senate's Government Operations Committee to expose the widespread communist infiltration of the U.S. government and other U.S. institutions which had taken place during the Second World War. A substantial majority of the communists who were dragged reluctantly out into the light of day by his efforts were Jews. As a result, the controlled media always have portrayed the period as one of terror and repression, when everyone was frightened of Senator McCarthy's "witch-hunt." Of course, it was nothing of the sort to non-Jewish Americans, who were not intimidated in the least. History viewed through a Jewish lens -- i.e., through media controlled by Jews -- always is distorted in a way corresponding to Jewish interests and concerns.

Both the German Weapons Law of March 18, 1938, enacted by the National Socialists, and the Law on Firearms and Ammunition of April 12, 1928, which was enacted by an anti-National Socialist government, are given below in full, first in facsimile and then in English translation. A little background information first, however, may help the reader to understand their significance.

After Germany's defeat in the First World War (a defeat in which Germany's Jews played no small part, demoralizing the home front with demonstrations and other subversive activity much as they did in America during the Vietnam war), the Kaiser abdicated, and liberals and leftists seized control of the government in 1918. Hitler, recovering in a military hospital from a British poison-gas attack which had blinded him temporarily, made the decision to go into politics and fight against the traitors he felt were responsible for Germany's distress.

The tendency of Germany's new rulers after the First World War was much the same as it is for the liberals in America today: they promoted cosmopolitanism, internationalism, and egalitarianism. By 1923 economic conditions in Germany had become catastrophic, and there was much public unrest. The communists had made major inroads into the labor movement and were a growing threat to the country.

Hitler had indeed gone into politics, and his National Socialists battled the communists in the streets of Germany's cities and gradually came to be seen by many patriotic Germans in the working class and the middle class as the only force which could save Germany from a communist takeover and total ruin. Hitler's National Socialists continued to win recruits and gain strength during the 1920s. The communists, with aid from the Soviet Union, also continued to grow. The political situation became increasingly unstable as the government lost popular support.

The government's response was to substantially tighten up restrictions on the rights of German citizens to keep and bear arms. The Law on Firearms and Ammunition of April 12, 1928, was the most substantial effort in this regard. This law was enacted by a left-center government hostile to the National Socialists (the government was headed by Chancellor Wilhelm Marx and consisted of a coalition of Socialists, including many Jews, and Catholic Centrists).

Five years later, in 1933, the National Socialists were in power, Hitler headed the government, and the communist threat was crushed decisively. The National Socialists began undoing the social and economic damage done by their predecessors. Germany was restored to full employment, degeneracy and corruption were rooted out, Jews and their collaborators were removed from one facet of national life after another, and the German people entered a new era of national freedom, health, and prosperity.

Finally, in 1938, the National Socialist government got around to enacting a new firearms law to replace the one enacted by their opponents ten years earlier. The highlights of the 1938 law, especially as it applied to ordinary citizens rather than manufacturers or dealers, follow:

    Handguns may be purchased only on submission of a Weapons Acquisition Permit (Waffenerwerbschein), which must be used within one year from the date of issue. Muzzle- loading handguns are exempted from the permit requirement. [The 1928 law had required a permit for the purchase of long guns as well, but the National Socialists dropped this requirement.]

    Holders of a permit to carry weapons (Waffenschein) or of a hunting license do not need a Weapons Acquisition Permit in order to acquire a handgun.

    A hunting license authorizes its bearer to carry hunting weapons and handguns.

    Firearms and ammunition, as well as swords and knives, may not be sold to minors under the age of 18 years. [The age limit had been 20 years in the 1928 law.]

    Whoever carries a firearm outside of his dwelling, his place of employment, his place of business, or his fenced property must have on his person a Weapons Permit (Waffenschein). A permit is not required, however, for carrying a firearm for use at a police-approved shooting range. 

    A permit to acquire a handgun or to carry firearms may only be issued to persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a permit. In particular, a permit may not be issued to:
        1. persons under the age of 18 years;
        2. legally incompetent or mentally retarded persons;
        3. Gypsies or vagabonds;
        4. persons under mandatory police supervision [i.e., on parole] or otherwise temporarily without civil rights;
        5. persons convicted of treason or high treason or known to be engaged in activities hostile to the state;
        6. persons who for assault, trespass, a breach of the peace, resistance to authority, a criminal offense or misdemeanor, or a hunting or fishing violation were legally sentenced to a term of imprisonment of more than two weeks, if three years have not passed since the term of imprisonment.
     
    The manufacture, sale, carrying, possession, and import of the following are prohibited:
        1. "trick" firearms, designed so as to conceal their function (e.g., cane guns and belt-buckle pistols);
        2. any firearm equipped with a silencer and any rifle equipped with a spotlight;
        3. cartridges with .22 caliber, hollow-point bullets.

        That is the essence. Numerous other provisions of the law relate to firearms manufacturers, importers, and dealers; to acquisition and carrying of firearms by police, military, and other official personnel; to the maximum fees which can be charged for permits (3 Reichsmark); to tourists bringing firearms into Germany; and to the fines and other penalties to be levied for violations.

The requirements of "trustworthiness" and of proof of need when obtaining a permit are troubling, but it should be noted that they were simply carried over from the 1928 law: they were not formulated by the National Socialists. Under the National Socialists these requirements were interpreted liberally: a person who did not fall into one of the prohibited categories listed above was considered trustworthy, and a statement such as, "I often carry sums of money," was accepted as proof of need.

The prohibitions of spotlight-equipped rifles and hollow-point .22 caliber ammunition were based on considerations that the former were unsporting when used for hunting, and the latter were inhumane.

Now read the German firearms laws for yourself, either in the original German exactly as they were published by the German government in the Reichsgesetzblatt or in the complete English translations which are provided here. If you want to skip over most of the legal gobbledygook and go directly to the most pertinent part of the National Socialist Firearms Law -- the part pertaining to the purchase, ownership, and carrying of firearms by private citizens -- turn to page 35 (Part IV of the Law). Note, as already mentioned above, that two separate and distinct types of permits are referred to: a Weapons Acquisition Permit (Waffenerwerbschein), required only for purchasing a handgun; and a Weapons Permit (Waffenschein), required for carrying any firearm in public. Interestingly enough, as also mentioned above, a hunting license could take the place of both these permits.

When you have read the two laws reproduced here, you will understand that it was Hitler's enemies, not Hitler, who should be compared with the gun-control advocates in America today. Then as now it was the Jews, not the National Socialists, who wanted the people's right of self- defense restricted. You will understand that those who continue to make the claim that Hitler was a gun-grabber are either ignorant or dishonest. And you will understand that it was not until 1945, when the communist and democratic victors of the Second World War had installed occupation governments to rule over the conquered Germans that German citizens were finally and completely denied the right to armed self-defense.

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« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2013, 04:36:19 PM »
Soosh - I am constantly responding to nonsense I see about how Stalin and Mao and Hitler banned guns,, or that "raise your right hand if you're for gun control thing.  Loyal citizens of the Reich, including Jews, were encouraged to own and practice with firearms.  You can look at the periodicals of the time and see the ads for small arms aimed at the civilian market.

Somewhere on the web is a story by a  Jewish man who lived in Germany at the time.  He possessed handguns.  Then one night he heard the heavy boots coming up his stairs, and just like in Hollywood it was the Gestapo.  He said that they were as correct and polite as they could be, checked his paperwork, and apologized for the inconvenience, and left, and he kept his loaded guns.
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