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« on: January 08, 2013, 04:32:11 PM »
Crypto Senator Screeches about Israel


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/08/while-visiting-israel-sen-paul-calls-for-less-u-s-foreign-aid/?hpt=hp_t2
While visiting Israel, Sen. Paul calls for less U.S. foreign aid
Republican Sen. Rand Paul is staying true to his message against sending millions in aid money overseas, even while visiting Israel, one of the largest beneficiaries of U.S. assistance.

"It will be harder to defend Israel if we destroy our country in the process," Paul said at the Jerusalem Institute for Market Studies, according to the Jerusalem Post. "I think there will be significant repercussions to running massive deficits."


Paul, considered a potential 2016 presidential candidate, made his comments Monday at the start of his first trip to the Jewish state–a voyage made by many in the past with presidential aspirations.

According to the Post, the senator said his view may be different if the U.S. didn't borrow so much money from overseas. "To me it has always been about whether it makes sense for me to borrow money from China to give to Pakistan."

His office confirmed that Paul reiterated his stance on limiting aid. The freshman senator from Kentucky, who has long expressed libertarian views on foreign assistance, has proved willing to buck even those in his own party on matters of foreign policy. While serving as a surrogate for Mitt Romney last fall, Paul was not hesitant to criticize the GOP presidential nominee on international issues.

And in September, Paul pushed legislation that would strip Pakistan, Egypt and Libya of U.S. aid. He held up other votes, including a measure to continue funding the government, until the upper chamber held a vote on his bill. The aid measure was defeated.

Speaking Monday, Paul said he would not advocate for an immediate cutoff of U.S. aid overseas, especially in Israel.

"I'm all for gradualism," he said. "I would start a little more quickly with those who are enemies of Israel, and enemies of the US. I would like to see their aid end more quickly. With regards to Israel, it could be a gradual phenomenon."

A Congressional Research Service report from March 2012 stated the U.S. has provided $115 billion in bilateral assistance to Israel since World War II, with nearly all of the aid coming in the form of military assistance. For 2013, the Obama administration is requesting $3.1 billion, according to the report.

Paul has not denied that he's interested in a presidential run. According to a CNN/ORC International Poll released mid-December, 48% of Republicans said they were very or somewhat likely to support Paul for the GOP nomination in 2016.

Others who had stronger numbers in the poll included House Budget Chairman and 2012 GOP Vice Presidential Nominee Paul Ryan, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush. Former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennslyvania also had 48%.

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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2013, 05:22:32 PM »
of course Israel has all the (laundered) money it will ever need and doesn't need  ours.  US aid is just a front to legitimize Israel. The real contest would be to locate and freeze their global assets. Follow the (laundered) money.
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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2013, 05:23:40 PM »
Rand Paul is a crypto

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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2013, 05:47:10 PM »
@FHR and Jacob


So, just curious - what's making you guys think Rand Paul is a crypto?
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2013, 03:52:21 PM »
Rand Paul is a crypto
Son arrested for DWI or something, nice kid
Don't like Ron Paul either
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2013, 09:13:18 PM »
Republican Sen. Rand Paul is staying true to his message against sending millions in aid money overseas, even while visiting Israel, one of the largest beneficiaries of U.S. assistance.

Foreign aid is a bugaboo for yahoo rednecks who are unaware how little US actually gives out & don't realize the little bit goes to benefit banks, corporations etc.

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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2013, 05:16:38 AM »
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According to the Post, the senator said his view may be different if the U.S. didn't borrow so much money from overseas. "To me it has always been about whether it makes sense for me to borrow money from China to give to Pakistan."

Show us the books on these "loans" randy.  What is the principal?  What is the collateral?  What is the interest rate?

Show us explicit Constitutional authority to "borrow."

He is either a hero who is tap dancing around getting killed/framed by "Al Quida" the men in black of Team Zion.

Or he is sucking off energy of the anti-irsael crowd like daddy did.

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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2013, 03:37:44 PM »
he's just sucking
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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2013, 03:38:41 PM »


Rand Paul: Building in Jerusalem none of US’s business

As week-long visit to Israel comes to a close, senator says US should not meddle in decisions regarding settlement construction.
Republican Sen. Rand Paul in Jerusalem

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It is “none of our business” whether Israel builds new neighborhoods in east Jerusalem or withdraws from the Golan Heights, and the US should not tell Israel how to defend itself, US Sen. (RKentucky) said on Saturday night at the end of a week-long visit to the country.

Paul, a maverick libertarian senator known for his advocacy of slashing US foreign aid, said at a press briefing that the issue of cutting aid to Israel – something he advocates as part of a gradual process – did not come up during his meetings with Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu or President Shimon Peres.

Paul said that he was not interested in the message of his trip being that he came here “touting and spouting” cutting aid to Israel.

“I came here to show that I am supportive of the relationship between Israel and America,” he said.

The first-term senator’s anti-foreign aid approach does concern some pro-Israel advocates in the US, concerned that he wants to significantly trim Washington’s annual $3 billion in military aid to Jerusalem.

“The biggest threat to our nation right now is our debt,” said Paul, adding that a bankrupt America would not be a good ally for Israel. “This does mean that we have to reassess who to give aid to, and when we do reassess that, I would begin with countries that are burning our flag and chanting ‘Death to America.’ No one is accusing Israel of that.”

Paul said he was not talking about anything different than what Netanyahu said in a 1996 speech to Congress, in which he advocated Israel gradually weaning itself off of American aid dollars.

This would benefit Israel and its defense industry, because it would not have to buy all its weaponry from the US, and a curtailment of US foreign aid would also mean less money for arms for Israel’s neighbors, Paul said.

Stating that the US gives more foreign aid to Israel’s neighbors than to Israel, Paul said that if the US gives 20 F-16 fighter plans to Egypt, Israel then feels it needs to buy 25; or if the US gives Egypt 200 tanks, Israel feels the need to purchase 300.

Paul stressed that he was worried about giving weapons to Egypt at the present time, especially since President Mohamed Morsi is listening to a spiritual leader calling for “the death of Israel and all its friends.”

The senator said he was “very disappointed” that after giving Egypt some $60 billion in aid over the past 30 years, rioters there climbed the roof of the embassy last year, took down the US flag and burned it.

“That should never have happened and is inexcusable,” he asserted.

Paul said the issue of his position regarding aid toward Egypt did come up in the conversation with Netanyahu.

Unlike most US senators who visit Israel, Paul had two public appearances during his week here, an indication perhaps that he is indeed – as has been widely speculated – gearing up for a 2016 presidential bid. He also spent a day in Jordan, meeting with King Abdullah II and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

Paul, a newly appointed member of the Senate’s Foreign Relations Committee, would not comment on the controversial nomination of former senator Chuck Hagel as secretary of defense, or on how he would vote when the Senate is asked to confirm the appointment.

Regarding the overall direction of the US-Israel relationship in a second Obama term, he said that “even with the problems,” America’s ties with Israel are so strong that they will remain that way “even with the Obama administration not seeming to be going out to dinner with Netanyahu, or playing bridge, or whatever you do with your friends.”

While Paul said the US should not meddle in Israel’s decisionmaking process regarding settlement construction or the Golan Heights, he added that Iran was a different issue because it had ramifications for the entire Middle East.

The senator, who voted for sanctions against Iran, said the sanctions would have a better chance of success if Russia and China were involved, and advocated using trade leverage with those countries to get them on board. As opposed to what he termed “show votes” on sanctions at the UN, where some countries do whatever they can to show their strong opposition to the US, he advocated “quiet diplomacy” with China and Russia on the matter.

“We do a lot of trade with Russia, and Iran does some,” he said.

“But I think the trade with America is more important to China and Russia, and I think that trade should be used with some leverage to get them to cooperate and help talk Iran down and get them to do the right thing.”

Paul was not the only Republican lawmaker in the country over the weekend, and Netanyahu on Friday met another delegation of five Republican senators – led by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, also from Kentucky – and the discussion focused on Iran.

“My priority, if I’m elected for another term as prime minister, will be first to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons,” Netanyahu told the delegation. “I think that was and remains the highest priority for both our countries. I appreciate the American support and your support for that end.”

McConnell, at the meeting, talked about the strong bipartisan support for Israel, even as Republicans and Democrats are at odds on so many other issues.

“As everybody in Israel knows, there are a lot of things we disagree on in America,” he said.

“We’ve had big battles over deficit and debt, but there’s broad bipartisan support for Israel, and our agenda in this part of the world is the same as your agenda.

You’re one of our best friends, and we’re happy to continue that relationship.” •

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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2013, 03:41:57 PM »
You could get herpes touching the Wailing wall

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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2013, 03:59:22 PM »

Stating that the US gives more foreign aid to Israel’s neighbors than to Israel, Paul said that if the US gives 20 F-16 fighter plans to Egypt, Israel then feels it needs to buy 25; or if the US gives Egypt 200 tanks, Israel feels the need to purchase 300.

Paul stressed that he was worried about giving weapons to Egypt at the present time, especially since President Mohamed Morsi is listening to a spiritual leader calling for “the death of Israel and all its friends.”

The senator said he was “very disappointed” that after giving Egypt some $60 billion in aid over the past 30 years, rioters there climbed the roof of the embassy last year, took down the US flag and burned it.


“That should never have happened and is inexcusable,” he asserted.



Yeah, that's always a problem. You bribe govt. officials with suitcases full of American dollars and they don't do what they were supposed to do.
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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2013, 04:04:40 PM »

Yeah, that's always a problem. You bribe govt. officials with suitcases full of American dollars and they don't do what they were supposed to do.




No kidding, sad ~ but true. Just another political tool.
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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2013, 05:00:07 PM »

It is “none of our business” whether Israel builds new neighborhoods in east Jerusalem or withdraws from the Golan Heights, and the US should not tell Israel how to defend itself, US Sen. (RKentucky) said on Saturday night at the end of a week-long visit to the country.


Technically, this would be the correct position, provided the US actually engaged in the kind of conduct George Washington admonished the nation about non-intervention and "entangling alliances with none." We shouldn't have a say in ANY other nation's business. Nor should we be sending foreign aid. I don't even believe in having diplomats or embassies in other countries (let alone our troops). Why?

There isn't anything gov't does or can do overseas that can't be accomplished by private and commercial interests alone.

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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2013, 06:55:10 AM »
You could get herpes touching the Wailing wall

Now that's one of the funniest things that I've read on here in awhile!

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« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2013, 09:06:18 AM »
All that stolen land needs a good dose of Clorox, and repeated pressure washing! ;D

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« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2013, 02:43:26 PM »
You could get herpes touching the Wailing wall
It does look like it's being stuffed with old underwear
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