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UK will fight to keep the Falklands – PM Cameron
« on: January 06, 2013, 09:38:28 PM »
UK will fight to keep the Falklands – PM Cameron

Published: 06 January, 2013, 23:15
Edited: 07 January, 2013, 07:33
source: http://rt.com/news/uk-argentina-falklands-conflict-455/


Britain's Prime Minister David Cameron (Reuters/Eric Vidal)

British Prime Minster David Cameron has said he would send troops to the Falkland Islands if Argentina attempts to invade and retake the territory. Aggressive rhetoric has recently flared between London and Buenos Aires.

Speaking on the BBC’s 'Andrew Marr Show,' Cameron emphasized the UK’s “extremely strong” position after Argentinian President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner renewed her charge that the islands were stolen by Britain.

Kirchner has taken out advertisements in British newspapers saying in an open letter – initially sent to David Cameron – that the islands were taken from Argentina in a “blatant exercise of 19th Century colonialism.”

The move was in response to an advert placed by UK tabloid the Sun in English-language daily the Buenos Aires Herald, which warned Argentina to keep its “hands off the islands,” and claimed that British sovereignty over the isles dates back to 1765.

But Argentina-based journalist Daniel Schweimler told the BBC that across the entire country, Argentinians “believe that the Falklands belong to them.”

Opinion polls suggest that about two-thirds of Argentinians support Kirchner’s position on the Falklands.

Kirchner argued in her letter that in 1833, argentinians on the island were expelled, and “the United Kingdom subsequently began a population implantation process similar to that applied to other territories under colonial rule.”

The British Foreign Office posted on its website that an interim governor appointed by ministers in Buenos Aires was murdered by his own men, and a British warship subsequently “told” his 24-man garrison to leave.

The Falklands dispute has renewed in recent years – in 2007, Argentina reasserted its claim over the islands. Kirchner’s position has hardened since the discovery of potential oil reserves off the islands, as well as last year’s 30th anniversary of the Falklands War.

Argentina invaded the Falklands – known as the Malvinas in Argentina – in May of 1982. Then-Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher sent a task force to retake the islands, sparking a conflict that saw 255 British soldiers and 649 Argentinian troops killed.

Asked if Britain would defend the territory again, Cameron replied, “Of course we would, and we have strong defenses in place on the Falkland Islands, that is absolutely key, that we have fast jets stationed there, we have troops stationed on the Falklands.”

Cameron has been warned by admirals in Britain’s Royal Navy that the UK may no longer have the capability to retake the islands if Argentina invades. The UK no longer has any aircraft carriers, and the two being built won’t be ready until 2016 at the earliest.

Neil Clark, a writer and a journalist has told RT, that the British government would favor a conflict with Argentina, because of Cameron’s public rating.

“For Cameron, for this issue to come up now is timely, because the government is way down in the opinion polls. The government is very unpopular. I can’t recall a government becoming so unpopular so quickly. So I think he would want to keep this in the news headlines,” Clark said.


Argentine President Cristina Kirchner (AFP Photo/Juan Mabromata)

Historian Hugh Bicheno told RT in May that the British “learned nothing” from the 1982 Falklands War. In a controversial book about the war called 'Razor’s Edge,' Bicheno argues that the fight could have gone either way at any time. He also claimed that in 1982, when the Royal Navy was far bigger than it is today, Britain did not have the capability to launch large-scale overseas military operations.

But Cameron insisted that Britain’s defenses are sufficient. “I get regular reports on this issue because I want to know that our defenses are strong, our resolve is extremely strong,” he said.

Cameron has maintained that Falklanders should be allowed to decide for themselves if they want to remain British or be governed by Buenos Aires.

“The future of the islands should be determined by the Falkland Islanders themselves, the people who live there. Whenever they have been asked their opinion, they say they want to maintain their current status with the United Kingdom,” Cameron told reporters during a January 3 visit to Preston.

Falklanders are holding a referendum on the issue later this year, and Argentina should respect their vote, which has Cameron's “100 percent backing,” he added.

In a further escalation of the row between Argentina and Britain, cruise ships headed for the Falklands have been subjected to intimidation and protests upon docking in Buenos Aries.

There have been at least 12 reported incidents of cruise liners being disrupted, including officials refusing permission for entry into Argentinian ports, ships being delayed, and masked militants attacking and ransacking shipping company offices.

Many cruises will now no longer call at the Falklands – denying the islanders of an important source of income – in order to appease authorities in Argentina.

Last month, the UK government formerly summoned Argentinian Ambassador Alicia Castro to protest the incidents.

RW - What happens if the Faklanders choose neither country? Probably not even a choice on the referendum questionnaire.
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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2013, 08:48:43 AM »

RW - What happens if the Faklanders choose neither country? Probably not even a choice on the referendum questionnaire.

Good point. They should secede like the Conch Republic.  ;D
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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2013, 12:24:08 AM »
In a further escalation of the row between Argentina and Britain, cruise ships headed for the Falklands have been subjected to intimidation and protests upon docking in Buenos Aries.

There have been at least 12 reported incidents of cruise liners being disrupted, including officials refusing permission for entry into Argentinian ports, ships being delayed, and masked militants attacking and ransacking shipping company offices.

Many cruises will now no longer call at the Falklands – denying the islanders of an important source of income – in order to appease authorities in Argentina.

Last month, the UK government formerly summoned Argentinian Ambassador Alicia Castro to protest the incidents.

RW - What happens if the Faklanders choose neither country? Probably not even a choice on the referendum questionnaire.


A point I raised with Caroline Carter.  Malvinas may have oil laying around, otherwise they don't seem to be self-sustaining.  Reports of cruise ship harassment seem to be std agit-prop.

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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2013, 12:50:11 AM »

A point I raised with Caroline Carter.  Malvinas may have oil laying around, otherwise they don't seem to be self-sustaining.  Reports of cruise ship harassment seem to be std agit-prop.



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Did you know Sean Penn's dad Leo was blacklisted? "Leo Penn may have had distant Sephardic ancestry, as his father's surname was originally Piñon." I guess that makes Sean a red diaper baby and 1/4 Jewish.


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Leo Penn
Born    August 27, 1921
Lawrence, Massachusetts, United States
Died    September 5, 1998 (aged 77)
Santa Monica, California


Early life

Penn was born in Lawrence, Massachusetts, the son of Russian Jewish immigrants Elizabeth (née Melincoff) and Maurice Daniel Penn. Leo Penn may have had distant Sephardic ancestry, as his father's surname was originally "Piñon."[1]

Penn served in the United States Army Air Forces during World War II as a B-24 Liberator bombardier with the 755th Bomb Squadron, 458th Bomb Group, stationed in England as part of the Eighth Air Force.[2]
Politics

Penn supported the Hollywood trade unions[3] and refused to accuse others to the House Un-American Activities Committee. He was blacklisted, and Paramount refused to renew his contract. As a result Penn was not able to work as a movie actor.[4] He found acting work in television, but CBS ousted him after receiving an anonymous accusation that he had addressed a political meeting.[5] Barred from acting in film or TV, he became a director.[6]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Penn




February 15, 2012
Sean Penn’s Falklands War
Posted by Lauren Collins


As of today, Sean Penn is the new Karl Lagerfeld—the man upon whom, having disrespected something dear to the United Kingdom, the British papers most gleefully pile contempt. Lagerfeld’s sin was to insult Adele. Penn’s, far graver, was to suggest that the Falkland Islands, the long-contested archipelago off the coast of Argentina, do not rightfully belong to Britain, which has controlled them since 1833. This month, after the British announced that the Duke of Cambridge—né Prince William—would be deployed to the Falklands with the R.A.F., relations between the U.K. and Argentina, which degenerated into a war in 1982, have been increasingly hostile. The U.K.’s position is that the Islands will remain British unless their three thousand or so inhabitants express a wish that it be otherwise; the Argentineans, along with Penn, see this as a flimsy attempt at perpetuating a historic theft. “The world today is not going to tolerate any ludicrous and archaic commitment to colonialist ideology,” Penn said during a meeting on Monday with Cristina Kirchner, the president of Argentina. (Penn is prone to this sort of thing: see John Lahr’s Profile for more.)

Yesterday, in Uruguay, Penn struck again, calling Britain’s decision to send the prince to the Falklands “unthinkable.” He called the Falklands “the Malvinas of Argentina,” which, to British ears, is significantly worse than calling football “soccer.” The headline of a story in the Daily Mail read:

    He’s not British or Argentine. Not that this stops the achingly trendy ex-Mr. Madonna shooting his mouth off about the Falklands.

This was accompanied by a quote from Patrick Mercer, a former Army officer and a Tory M.P., who said that Penn “seems to know nothing about the situation judging by this moronic comment. A good number of his movies have been turkeys, so I supposed we shouldn’t expect much better coming out of his mouth.” Another column, in the Mail Online, suggested, “Get out of the Falklands yourself, Mr. Penn.” (There is a long tabloid tradition of rabble-rousing with regard to the Falklands. The Sun’s notorious headline, after a British submarine, on Margaret Thatcher’s orders, sank the General Belgrano on May 4, 1982, killing more than three hundred Argentineans, was “GOTCHA.”)

Over at the Telegraph, Tim Stanley, a professor of United States history at Oxford (he is working on a biography of Pat Buchanan), had come up with a novel riposte: Sean Penn, he said, should give up the keys to his Malibu estate, which, he argued, actually belongs to Mexico. “America’s claim over Malibu is tenuous and rooted in patriarchy,” he wrote, mimicking Penn’s tone. “Sean Penn’s house is a mocking reminder of that brute chauvinism, with its high white walls and spacious interiors. Its swimming pool is an insult to the honor of the Mexican people.”

Photograph of Penn and Kirchner. AP Photo/Argentina’s Presidency.

Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/lauren-collins/2012/02/sean-penns-falkland-war.html#ixzz2HNNE7EIr


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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2013, 09:54:13 AM »


    He’s not British or Argentine. Not that this stops the achingly trendy ex-Mr. Madonna shooting his mouth off about the Falklands.


I gotta admit, the limeys have a point here. We've no more business (or SHOULDN'T, anyway) inserting ourselves into this conflict or bothering to opine on it than the Brits should have mouthing off at us. After all, they were our original enemies. Some of us, at least, don't forget that point.


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Over at the Telegraph, Tim Stanley, a professor of United States history at Oxford (he is working on a biography of Pat Buchanan), had come up with a novel riposte: Sean Penn, he said, should give up the keys to his Malibu estate, which, he argued, actually belongs to Mexico. “America’s claim over Malibu is tenuous and rooted in patriarchy,” he wrote, mimicking Penn’s tone. “Sean Penn’s house is a mocking reminder of that brute chauvinism, with its high white walls and spacious interiors. Its swimming pool is an insult to the honor of the Mexican people.”

And then Mexico should give it up to the aboriginal Americans ("Amerinds"). Who should then give it up to the cohorts of the caucasian Kennewick and Spirit Cave men.
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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2013, 10:18:58 PM »
Sean y Christina

The Sun doesn't rise & set according to Sean Penn.  Both Argentina & UK are strongly under Jew influence, that's not in dispute.  See Diego Garcia to learn about London's concern for islander self-determination.   :'(

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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2013, 06:38:51 AM »
The Sun doesn't rise & set according to Sean Penn.  Both Argentina & UK are strongly under Jew influence, that's not in dispute.  See Diego Garcia to learn about London's concern for islander self-determination.   :'(

Diego Garcia isn't the only place that's happened, nor is it solely a brit problem. See the Marshall islands, etc. (Radio Bikini is a great doco on this - uses gov't propaganda films against itself to show how we fucked over the Marshallese big time)
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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2013, 03:34:01 PM »

Sean y Christina

This is a very minor point, but upon looking at different news clips, it looks to me as if Christina wears a wig. Very elegant wigs are usually an improvement for a woman's appearance. Also, she has had cancer treatments, so that might be a reason.

They have wigs now with a 'lace front' natural part. As can be seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3Ge2Hc90_g
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2013, 10:29:01 PM »
Falklands vote to remain part of Britain

Published time: March 12, 2013 04:10
source: http://rt.com/news/falklands-vote-remain-uk-129/


Falkland islanders react after hearing the results of the referendum in Stanley March 11, 2013 (Reuters / Marcos Brindicci)

Falklanders have voted to remain a British Overseas Territory, following months of political tensions between Britain and Argentina over the fate of the islands. Three decades ago the two nations fought a short war over the disputed territory.

Islanders voted almost unanimously to remain under the sovereignty of the United Kingdom, with 98.8-per cent of votes in favor. The ballot was decided during a two-day referendum with just three people, or 0.2 per cent, voting against.

The ballot asked one yes or no question: "Do you wish the Falkland Islands to retain their current political status as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom?"

The referendum saw 92-per cent turnout from the 1,672 British citizens eligible to vote in the territory of about 2,900 people. International election observers monitored the vote despite Buenos Aires’ request for South American countries to boycott it.


A Falkland Islander gestures as he casts his vote at the Town Hall polling station in Stanley, March 10, 2013
(Reuters / Marcos Brindicci)


Following the vote, Foreign Secretary William Hague called on all nations to respect the result: "We have always been clear that we believe in the rights of the Falklands people to determine their own futures and to decide on the path they wish to take. It is only right that, in the 21st century, these rights are respected,” he was quoted as saying by the Telegraph.

Argentina, which calls the islands Las Malvinas, considers them to be part of its territory. The reinstatement of its sovereignty over them is enshrined in its constitution.

The Latin American country believes that Argentina inherited the territory from the Spaniards in 1767 before Britain took them over in 1833.

An attempt to reclaim sovereignty led London and Buenos Aires in to a short war in 1982. In two months of fighting, 255 British and about 650 Argentine were killed before Argentina surrendered.


Falkland islanders react after hearing the results of the referendum at the vote counting station in the Town Hall in
Stanley, March 11, 2013 (Reuters / Marcos Brindicci)


In 2010, a British company began oil exploration near the archipelago, leading to an exacerbation of the conflict.

Political analyst Adrian Salbuchi argues that the Falklands are a hot spot for British interests, just like the Middle East.

“Britain is trying to legitimize its presence there because one of the key factors is oil. There are huge oil reserves in the ocean, but they are actually a part of the continental shelf, which even geologically and geographically belongs to Argentina. So they need to have all the legal trimmings in place as much as possible.”

In early 2013, Argentine President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner sent a letter to British Prime Minister David Cameron calling for negotiations that would lead to the return of the archipelago to Buenos Aires.

Cameron replied that the population of the islands supports the UK’s sovereignty, which was proven by the two-day vote.

RW - Sovereignty under Britain is no sovereignty at all. They opted to remain a colony.
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2013, 08:43:30 PM »
The ballot asked one yes or no question: "Do you wish the Falkland Islands to retain their current political status as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom?"

RW - Sovereignty under Britain is no sovereignty at all. They opted to remain a colony.

Yes or No:  City of London determinism!  IE false axioms leading to an absurd result.  Were Falklands voters endorsing London way of life or smart enough to realize a No vote would make them sacrificial lambs for the Empire?

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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2013, 10:18:50 PM »
Argentina restates sovereignty over UK-held Malvinas Islands at UNSC

Wed Aug 7, 2013 5:45AM GMT
source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/08/07/317587/argentina-vows-sovereignty-of-malvinas/

Argentine President Cristina Fernandez has reasserted her nation’s sovereignty over the Malvinas Island during a UN Security Council (UNSC) meeting, urging Britain to respect UNSC resolution on the issue.

“We don’t take a fanciful approach to the Malvinas; we simply want the UN resolution enforced,” President Fernandez said Tuesday while presiding over a UNSC meeting in New York as a rotating president this month.

She further declared that Argentina and Britain should “sit down and discuss” the sovereignty of Malvinas Archipelago in accordance with UNSC Resolution 2065, which called on both parties in 1965 to negotiate the issue.

The Argentinean president also reiterated that the islands rightfully belong to Argentina while urging restraint from both sides on resolving the matter.

"This is a litigious and controversial issue. We need to find consensus and safeguard peace," she added.

Meanwhile, the British UN Ambassador Mark Lyall Grant told reporters following the remarks by Fernandez that his government shall not "negotiate the Malvinas problem ignoring the wishes of its inhabitants."

He further claimed his country "is not failing to abide by any resolution."

London insists a referendum indicated earlier this year that 99.8 percent of the Malvinas Islanders want the area to remain a British Overseas Territory.

Buenos Aires, however, argues that the referendum is illegitimate since the British Royal Navy has expelled the Indigenous Argentineans from the islands and replaced them with British settlers.

Argentina and Britain went to war over the Malvinas in 1982, when British prime minister at the time, Margaret Thatcher deployed a naval task force to the South Atlantic in April 1982 to fight off an Argentine bid to retake the islands.

Nearly 255 British and 650 Argentine service members were killed in the conflict, which ended about two months later in June, with Argentine surrender.

Argentina became one of the 10 non-permanent UNSC members back in January for a two-year term.

The other five members of the council -- Britain, China, France, Russia and the US -- are permanent and have the power to veto any UNSC action according their own national interests.

Argentina, meanwhile, has taken over the presidency of the council in August and President Fernandez was invited to chair the meeting at the UN headquarters in New York.

RW - I wonder how the referendums would go if there was a 'right of return'? Seems the Brits respect that as far as Israel goes. Maybe they should do the same for all the Malvinas islanders expelled by them.
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