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« Reply #40 on: October 05, 2012, 10:38:02 AM »
If Romney is the Strausian, and Obama is the neo-Lenin--what are their differences?

American politics is a facade.  This conceptual battle takes place within the collective mind of jews.  Their Strausian half says rob, rape, pillage, plunder, murder, etc. with blunt force; while their Lenin sensibilities say, be nice about it, people are watching. 
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« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2012, 12:33:24 PM »
American politics is a facade.  This conceptual battle takes place within the collective mind of jews.  Their Strausian half says rob, rape, pillage, plunder, murder, etc. with blunt force; while their Lenin sensibilities say, be nice about it, people are watching.

This whole multi-party system is a fraud.
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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« Reply #42 on: October 05, 2012, 01:26:12 PM »
This whole multi-party system is a fraud.

We're going to have to wiki Leo Strauss again.
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« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2012, 01:40:48 PM »
We're going to have to wiki Leo Strauss again.

Educated in my city - Leo Strauss was a German-American political philosopher and classicist who specialized in classical political philosophy. He was born in Germany to Jewish parents and later emigrated to the United States.

He was also a friend of Henry Morgenthau.

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/05/the-mediocrity-of-leo-strauss.html

Strauss was at best a mediocre scholar whose thought expressed a confused bipolarity between a very German and ahistorical Grecophilia on the one hand and a scattered, dogmatic, and unsophisticated apology for an American version of liberal universalism on the other. Amongst prominent European philosophers, Strauss was taken seriously only by Hans-Georg Gadamer, until Gadamer concluded that Strauss was a crank, and by Alexandre Kojève, whose work reads today as if it were a parody of trendy French Marxism. In Britain, neither Strauss nor the Straussians have ever been taken seriously.

  So why did the "cult of Straussianism" succeed?

    "It took hold here for the same reasons that cults generally succeed in the U.S.: ignorance, inexperience, and a desire to have a simple answer to complex problems."
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2012, 02:42:38 PM »
This was where I stopped.

Continue:

The issue of religion in Nazi Germany was a bit more complex however. Religion was an important part of the National Socialist movement and, as in Italy, a desire for a religious resurgence fueled support for the Nazi regime, especially early on. However, Hitler preached his own brand of Christian fundamentalism. Some of the other Nazi leaders espoused anti-Christian, but still highly religious, views. Nevertheless it was the strong religiosity of his message that gained Hitler much of his support.

In Hitler's 1920 NSDAP 25 point agenda, point number 24:

    We demand freedom for all religious denominations in the State, provided they do not threaten its existence and do not offend the moral feelings of the German race.

    The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not commit itself to any particular denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common interest before self-interest.

Both Italy and Germany had a reasonable degree of religious freedom with the exception of Judaism and the lack religious belief. Atheism was seen as one of the major "evils" of modern society and heavily associated with Marxism, and Judaism of course, was not tolerated in Germany, where the Jewish synagogues were eventually destroyed in 1938. What was ultimately important in Germany was a belief in God, whatever form that belief took, as this 1937 article on education, Educational Principles of the New Germany; What Schools and Parents Need to Know About the Goals of National Socialist Education, states:


Life comes from God and returns to God. All life and all races follow God's ordinances. No people and no race can ignore them. We want the German youth to again recognize the religious nature of life. They must realize that God wants the individual as well as the whole people, and that they lose contact with life when they lose contact with God! God and nation are the two foundations of the life of the individual and the community. We want no shallow and superficial piety, rather a deep faith that God guides the world, that he controls it, and a consciousness of the relationship between God and each individual, and between God and the live of the people and the fatherland. The National Socialist state will promote such a deeply religious educational system. We want parents to support and strengthen this by honesty and by good example.

Early on fascism was seen as a movement that embraced Christianity. In Germany fascists promoted what they called "true Christianity", which was essentially Christian fundamentalism.

In 1999 John Conway of the Association of Contemporary Church Historians discussed the role of Protestantism in the Nazi movement.  Here he presents information from another study:

    "Richard Steigmann-Gall's contribution, "Apostasy or Religiosity? The Cultural Meanings of the Protestant Vote for Hitler," dealt with the question of who voted for Hitler and investigated the roles that German Protestantism played among the Nazi electorate. Steigmann-Gall identifies what he calls a "Protestant affinity" for Nazi politics leading up to January 1933, when Hitler became chancellor of Germany. Protestantism was the single most important factor in determining who voted for Hitler, he said, and it was not just the institutional affiliation that made the difference. According to Steigmann-Gall, the extent of support for National Socialism correlates directly to the degree of allegiance to Protestantism, rather than, as has been so often suggested, apostasy from it."


From the 1938 Nuremberg Rally

In 1933 in a speech in Stuttgart Hitler stated:

    "And now Staatspräsident Bolz says that Christianity and the Catholic faith are threatened by us. And to that charge I can answer: In the first place it is Christians and not international atheists who now stand at the head of Germany. I do not merely talk of Christianity, no, I also profess that I will never ally myself with the parties which destroy Christianity. If many wish today to take threatened Christianity under their protection, where, I would ask, was Christianity for them in these fourteen years when they went arm in arm with atheism? No, never and at no time was greater internal damage done to Christianity than in these fourteen years when a party, theoretically Christian, sat with those who denied God in one and the same Government.

    I would ask whether the economic policy of this now superseded system was a Christian policy. Was the inflation an undertaking for which Christians could answer, or has the destruction of German life, of the German peasant as well as of the middles classes, been Christian?"

What the Nazis espoused was that Christians who tolerated atheism or Jews were in fact not "true Christians". Hitler's major social charge was that he was going to clean up Germany and rid it of the influences of Marxists, Jews, and atheists, who he claimed were destroying not only German culture, but all of Western culture.

Just to drive this point home I'm going to present several more Nazi quotes.

    "There are only two possibilities in Germany; do not imagine that the people will forever go with the middle party, the party of compromises; one day it will turn to those who have most consistently foretold the coming ruin and have sought to dissociate themselves from it. And that party is either the Left: and then God help us! for it will lead us to complete destruction - to Bolshevism, or else it is a party of the Right which at the last, when the people is in utter despair, when it has lost all its spirit and has no longer any faith in anything, is determined for its part ruthlessly to seize the reins of power - that is the beginning of resistance of which I spoke a few minutes ago." - Adolph Hitler, 1922 Munich Speech

    "He said in the last session of the Landtag that his feeling 'as a man and a Christian' prevented him from being an anti-Semite. I SAY: MY FEELING AS A CHRISTIAN POINTS ME TO MY LORD AND SAVIOUR AS A FIGHTER. IT POINTS ME TO THE MAN WHO ONCE IN LONELINESS, SURROUNDED ONLY BY A FEW FOLLOWERS, RECOGNIZED THESE JEWS FOR WHAT THEY WERE AND SUMMONED MEN TO THE FIGHT AGAINST THEM AND WHO, GOD'S TRUTH! WAS GREATEST NOT AS SUFFERER BUT AS FIGHTER. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and of adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before - the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world some two thousand years ago - a civilization which was driven to its ruin through this same Jewish people.

    Then indeed when Rome collapsed there were endless streams of new German bands flowing into the Empire from the North; but, if Germany collapses today, who is there to come after us? German blood upon this earth is on the way to gradual exhaustion unless we pull ourselves together and make ourselves free!

    And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress which daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see it work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week it has only for its wage wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people is plundered and exploited. "
    - Adolph Hitler, 1922 Munich Speech

    Christianity was not content with erecting an altar of its own. It had first to destroy the pagan altars. It was only in virtue of this passionate intolerance that an apodictic faith could grow up. And intolerance is an indispensable condition for the growth of such a faith.
    - Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf

    The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took to the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present-day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-and this against their own nation. 
    - Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf

    As a matter of fact we succeeded until the autumn of 1923 in keeping our movement away from such controversies. The most devoted Protestant could stand side by side with the most devoted Catholic in our ranks without having his conscience disturbed in the slightest as far as concerned his religious convictions. The bitter struggle which both waged in common against the wrecker of Aryan humanity taught them natural respect and esteem. And it was just in those years that our movement had to engage in a bitter strife with the Centre Party not for religious ends but for national, racial, political and economic ends. The success we then achieved showed that we were right, but it does not speak today in favour of those who thought they knew better.

    In recent years things have gone so far that patriotic circles, in god-forsaken blindness of their religious strife, could not recognize the folly of their conduct even from the fact that atheist Marxist newspapers advocated the cause of one religious denomination or the other, according as it suited Marxist interests, so as to create confusion through slogans and declarations which were often immeasurably stupid, now molesting the one party and again the other, and thus poking the fire to keep the blaze at its highest.

    But in the case of a people like the Germans, whose history has so often shown them capable of fighting for phantoms to the point of complete exhaustion, every war-cry is a mortal danger. By these slogans our people have often been drawn away from the real problems of their existence. While we were exhausting our energies in religious wars the others were acquiring their share of the world. And while the patriotic movement is debating with itself whether the ultramontane danger be greater than the Jewish, or vice versa, the Jew is destroying the racial basis of our existence and thereby annihilating our people. As far as regards that kind of 'patriotic' warrior, on behalf of the National Socialist Movement and therefore of the German people I pray with all my heart: "Lord, preserve us from such friends, and then we can easily deal with our enemies."
    - Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf

To be continued...later
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« Reply #45 on: October 05, 2012, 06:08:09 PM »
    "There are only two possibilities in Germany; do not imagine that the people will forever go with the middle party, the party of compromises; one day it will turn to those who have most consistently foretold the coming ruin and have sought to dissociate themselves from it. And that party is either the Left: and then God help us! for it will lead us to complete destruction - to Bolshevism, or else it is a party of the Right which at the last, when the people is in utter despair, when it has lost all its spirit and has no longer any faith in anything, is determined for its part ruthlessly to seize the reins of power - that is the beginning of resistance of which I spoke a few minutes ago." - Adolph Hitler, 1922 Munich Speech

    "He said in the last session of the Landtag that his feeling 'as a man and a Christian' prevented him from being an anti-Semite. I SAY: MY FEELING AS A CHRISTIAN POINTS ME TO MY LORD AND SAVIOUR AS A FIGHTER. IT POINTS ME TO THE MAN WHO ONCE IN LONELINESS, SURROUNDED ONLY BY A FEW FOLLOWERS, RECOGNIZED THESE JEWS FOR WHAT THEY WERE AND SUMMONED MEN TO THE FIGHT AGAINST THEM AND WHO, GOD'S TRUTH! WAS GREATEST NOT AS SUFFERER BUT AS FIGHTER. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and of adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before - the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world some two thousand years ago - a civilization which was driven to its ruin through this same Jewish people.

    Then indeed when Rome collapsed there were endless streams of new German bands flowing into the Empire from the North; but, if Germany collapses today, who is there to come after us? German blood upon this earth is on the way to gradual exhaustion unless we pull ourselves together and make ourselves free!

    And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress which daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see it work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week it has only for its wage wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people is plundered and exploited. "
    - Adolph Hitler, 1922 Munich Speech

    Christianity was not content with erecting an altar of its own. It had first to destroy the pagan altars. It was only in virtue of this passionate intolerance that an apodictic faith could grow up. And intolerance is an indispensable condition for the growth of such a faith.
    - Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf

    The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took to the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present-day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-and this against their own nation. 
    - Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf

    As a matter of fact we succeeded until the autumn of 1923 in keeping our movement away from such controversies. The most devoted Protestant could stand side by side with the most devoted Catholic in our ranks without having his conscience disturbed in the slightest as far as concerned his religious convictions. The bitter struggle which both waged in common against the wrecker of Aryan humanity taught them natural respect and esteem. And it was just in those years that our movement had to engage in a bitter strife with the Centre Party not for religious ends but for national, racial, political and economic ends. The success we then achieved showed that we were right, but it does not speak today in favour of those who thought they knew better.

    In recent years things have gone so far that patriotic circles, in god-forsaken blindness of their religious strife, could not recognize the folly of their conduct even from the fact that atheist Marxist newspapers advocated the cause of one religious denomination or the other, according as it suited Marxist interests, so as to create confusion through slogans and declarations which were often immeasurably stupid, now molesting the one party and again the other, and thus poking the fire to keep the blaze at its highest.

    But in the case of a people like the Germans, whose history has so often shown them capable of fighting for phantoms to the point of complete exhaustion, every war-cry is a mortal danger. By these slogans our people have often been drawn away from the real problems of their existence. While we were exhausting our energies in religious wars the others were acquiring their share of the world. And while the patriotic movement is debating with itself whether the ultramontane danger be greater than the Jewish, or vice versa, the Jew is destroying the racial basis of our existence and thereby annihilating our people. As far as regards that kind of 'patriotic' warrior, on behalf of the National Socialist Movement and therefore of the German people I pray with all my heart: "Lord, preserve us from such friends, and then we can easily deal with our enemies."
    - Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf


Even in the translation, this is some of the greatest writing ever -- says so much per word.  Maybe in German it is even better? 

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« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2012, 07:39:19 PM »
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In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present-day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-and this against their own nation.
    - Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf





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« Reply #47 on: October 05, 2012, 09:02:25 PM »
Even in the translation, this is some of the greatest writing ever -- says so much per word.  Maybe in German it is even better?

I think this was a pretty good translation, Pete.

There are two fundamentally different kinds of speakers: those who use reasoning, and those who speak from the heart. They reach two different sorts of people, those who understand through reason, and those who understand through the heart. Speakers who aim for the reason are generally found in parliaments, those who speak from the heart speak to the people.

Dr. Joseph Goebbels
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
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« Reply #48 on: October 05, 2012, 10:03:10 PM »

"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."
-Adolph Hitler,  1933 Berlin Speech


    "The Government, being resolved to undertake the political and moral purification of our public life, is creating and securing the conditions necessary for a really profound revival of religious life.

    The advantages of a personal and political nature that might arise from compromising with atheistic organizations would not outweigh the consequences which would become apparent in the destruction of general moral basic values. The national Government regards the two Christian confessions as the weightiest factors for the maintenance of our nationality. It will respect the agreements concluded between it and the federal States. Their rights are not to be infringed. But the Government hopes and expects that the work on the national and moral regeneration of our nation which it has made its task will, on the other hand, be treated with the same respect."
    - Adolph Hitler, 1933 Reichstag speech


Hitler with Reich Bishop Muller and Abbot Schachleitner

"May God Almighty give our work His blessing, strengthen our purpose, and endow us with wisdom and the trust of our people, for we are fighting not for ourselves but for Germany."
- Adolph Hitler, 1933 Berlin Speech


Taken from Triumph of the Will

And then came the German resurrection. It began with a change of faith. While all the German parties before us believed in forces and ideals which lay outside of the German Reich and outside of our people, we National Socialists have resolutely championed belief in our own people, starting from that watchword of eternal validity: God helps only those who are prepared and determined to help themselves. In the place of all those international factors - Democracy, the Conscience of Peoples, the Conscience of the World, the League of Nations, and the like - we have set a single factor - our own people."
- Adolph Hitler, 1938 Weimer Speech


    Nazi belt buckles with the words GOTT MIT UNS (God is with us); the upper right is a Nazi fire department buck, which says GOTT ZUR EHR (In God's honor)

    "At the head of our program there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will - not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord."
    - Adolph Hitler, 1938 Nuremburg Speech

to be continued...
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
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« Reply #49 on: October 05, 2012, 10:15:20 PM »

The Cathedral of Light

During the events at the Cathedral of Light at the 1936 Nuremberg Party Rally the following oath was taken by all those in attendance:

    We have come
    For the good
    And to renew the holy oath.

    Blazing flames hold us together
    Into eternity.

    May the times
    Bring what they will,
    We are a young people ever ready.

    No one shall take this faith
    From those who are dedicated to Germany.

    When we pass on,
    Something new will come
    Today and forever more.

Hitler closed the ceremony after a long speech with the following:

    "And I especially greet the youth who are present. Become men like those you see before you!

    Fight as they have fought! Be upright and determined, fear no one and do your duty!

    If you do so, the Lord God will never leave our people.

    Heil Germany!"

(Note about the Cathedral of Light: The Cathedral of Light was a large outdoor area that was used every year during the Nuremberg Party Rallies for a special nighttime speech. Architect Albert Speer designed the "Cathedral" using spotlights to create an impression of space. What you see in the picture above is columns of light. The light was used in such a way as to create the sense that you were in a giant space that extended up into the heavens)

The following are a variety of quotes and oaths:

    "God gave the savior to the German people. We have faith, deep and unshakeable faith, that he [Hitler] was sent to us by God to save Germany. "
    -Hermann Göring

    "The Führer wanted to achieve the unification of the Protestant Evangelical Churches by appointing a Reich Bishop, so that there would be a high Protestant church dignitary as well as a high Catholic church dignitary."
    -Hermann Göring

    "We believe that the Fuhrer is fulfilling a divine mission to German destiny! This belief is beyond challenge."
    -Rudolf Hess, speech, 20 June 1934

    "I swear before God this holy oath, that I shall give absolute confidence to the Fuehrer of the German Reich and people."
    -Heinrich Himmler, reminding his hearers about the oath taken by all SS men as well as by the military forces

    "Bolshevism denies religion as a principle, fundamentally and entirely. It recognizes religion only as an "opium for the people". For the help and support of religious belief, however, National Socialism absolutely places in the foreground of its program a belief in God and that transcendental idealism which has been destined by Nature to bring to expression the racial soul of a nation."
    -Joseph Goebbels, 1935

    "We have a feeling that Germany has been transformed into a great house of God, including all classes, professions and creeds, where the Fuhrer as our mediator stood before the throne of the Almighty."
    -Joseph Goebbels, in a broadcast, April 19, 1936

    "It is touching to hear the Fuehrer express his wish that he may be privileged to live to see the day of victory. The visions he has of the coming peace are truly intoxicating. God grant that we may be permitted to enter upon that period! Then the restrictions under which we live and work today will, for the most part, disappear like a nightmare."
    - Joseph Goebbels in his personal dairy, April 28, 1942

    "I swear by God this sacred oath that I shall render unconditional obedience to Adolf Hitler, the Führer of the German Reich, supreme commander of the armed forces, and that I shall at all times be prepared, as a brave soldier, to give my life for this oath." - Wehrmacht Oath

    "I swear to you, Adolf Hitler, as Führer and Chancellor of the German Nation, loyalty and bravery. I vow to you and to my superiors designated by you obedience to the death. So help me God." - Waffen SS Oath

Though Hitler spoke often of belief in God, there was Christian opposition to him as well, mostly liberal priests and preachers. This was due to several different factors, in some cases it was due to the imposition of State power over the churches, which the Nazis did do. In Nazi Germany, as in Italy, the lines between Church and State were broken and in both cases mutual self serving relationships were formed. Churches who did not like the deal they were getting sometimes spoke out against the regime, and they were then punished. In addition, some church leaders simply did not agree with Hitler's fundamentalist views; they were more tolerant people who had nothing against Jews nor did they accept his implications that tolerance was in fact anti-Christian. Some of these people spoke out, and they too were generally punished, sometimes sent to concentration camps.

The first concentration camp in Germany was Dachau, which opened in 1933. The primary prisoners of the Dachau camp were Communists, Social Democrats, and atheists. The first camps were essentially for "enemies of the State". Over time Gypsies, homosexuals, and dissenting clergymen were sent to Dachau as well.

On the whole though, the embracing of his religious ideology by the public bolstered Hitler's support.

In 1934 Triumph of the Will was filmed during the Nuremberg NASDP party rallies. Triumph of the Will was shown in theaters in Germany every year from 1935 through the end of the war. Triumph of the Will is an un-narrated theatrically staged documentary. Below is a clip from Triumph of the Will, taken during the events at the Cathedral of Light, in which Hitler proclaims divine command. Click the image to view the video clip. (2 MB) (sorry, I cannot open this video clip)

As time went on Nazi opposition to the role of private churches in Germany increased, however Hitler always maintained that he was still a Catholic. In 1941 he stated to General Gerhard Engel: "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."

Though Hitler himself never spoke openly in opposition to Christianity, other Nazi leaders did. Below is a speech from Dr. Robert Ley to party leaders in 1939, which serves as an example of the types of things said by some Nazi leaders in relation to Christianity:

    "We must take a broad view of history, and see everything that German culture has accomplished. It is childish of England to want to play our baby-sitter. We cannot allow that. We must see our enemies clearly. Their worldview is Christian and negative. Of course Roosevelt does not imagine himself only a liberator of the Christian world; he knows the Jew is at the root of it all.

    If the Jew wants to fight, it is fine with us. We have wanted that fight for a long time. There is no room in the world for the Jews any more. The Jew or us, one of us will have to go. We know that the Jew will lose, that he and his devilish, life-denying and destructive doctrines will be annihilated..."

    "Look at our people today, and remember how they were ten or twenty years ago. If that is the measure of whether one believes in God or not, if one faces everything that fate brings, if one faces war or peace calmly, if one faces life calmly and lives it the same way, then one has God. To have God means to have a fixed point in life, to have God means to have faith. I do not know what the future will bring, since I am only a man, but I am not concerned. English newspapers write: "Germany will gain no advantage from Bohemia and Moravia." One doesn't know which is more astonishing: the Führer's pace or the peace with which 80 million Germans accept what happens. That means we have God: we are calm, we have faith and confidence - just like the priests always say. Yes, the Führer gave confidence to every German, and therefore peace and faith. We have found God.

    We have become a people that believes in God. This is what our idea of life and of affirming life has accomplished, becoming the idea of Germany. We will be able to do everything if that grows from its small beginning into a religion, to something holy to the German people...."

    "The Church may say its only weapon is peace. There is no institution more bloodthirsty than the Church. No state, no count, no world ruler has spilled anywhere near as much blood as the Church. It says it was all for a higher cause, and that the end justifies the means. No, that was not for the glory of God, who created humanity so that it could live. It was only for the glory of the pope and to satisfy the power lust of the priests."

All of the Nazi leadership and institutions were deeply religious, but some were less traditional in their beliefs. Again, there are two issues to consider, #1 the personal views of Nazi leadership, and #2 the perception of the public. In terms of learning lessons about society and in terms of understanding fascist culture #2 is the more important, however issue #1 will always remain relevant as well.

There have always been questions as to whether Hitler originally just used pro-Christian rhetoric as a propaganda tool, but this does not seem to be the case. It appears more likely that his views did in fact change over time. There are many examples of Hitler's early writings which were written before there was any need for him to try and propagandize to anyone and his views were Christian at that time.

In fact it seems more likely that Dr. Joseph Goebbles, the Nazi Propaganda Minister, and one of Hitler's closest friends, influenced Hitler's views over time. Dr. Goebbels, though himself a believer in God and raised a devout Catholic, was opposed to established religions and saw the power of churches as a possible threat to the Nazi State. There is also speculation that Joseph Goebbels may have been molested by Catholic priests as a boy. Dr. Goebbels led a major campaign against pedophile priests while in power with the Nazi Party.


Goebbles had frequent private talks with Hitler and had a noticeable impact on Hitler's ideology. It is arguable that Goebbels' anti-Semitism was even more fervent than Hitler's and he pushed Hitler's anti-Semitism to further extremes. It is also notable that Goebbels himself was already opposed to Christianity as a religion which had been influenced by Jews prior to his coming into a relation with Hitler and that over time Hitler's views fell more in line with Goebbels.

In the introduction to The Goebbels' Dairies 1942 - 1943 published in 1948 Louis Lochner states:

    The selections reveal Goebbels as the unflagging motive force behind the vicious anti-Semitism of the Nazi regime. His aim was the extermination of all Jews. Hitler was in complete sympathy with this infamous project, as were his henchmen. Goebbels' role was to keep Hitler's mind inflamed and obtain authority to carry out specific measures against the Jews.

Much is also made of the connections between the Nazis and the occult.  This is primarily because Rudolf Hess believed in the occult and followed the advice of a fortune teller to go to Britain on a solo mission to try and negotiate a peace agreement. After this the Allies then believed that the Nazis believed in the occult as a whole, however Nazis did not. Hitler was outraged at this and then had people arrested in Germany for occult practices. The occult was seen as part of the decadence of modern liberal society. It was also well known by the Germans that many people in Europe, especially France and England, were believers in the occult so they used leaflets and other publications to promote occult revelations that promoted the Nazi agenda. There were occult propaganda wars that went on all throughout the war coming from both sides, with both believing the campaigns to be more effective than they really were.

From Goebbels' Dairy:

    "The enemy is now making use of horoscopes in the form of handbills dropped from planes, in which a terrible future is prophesied for the German people. But we know something about this ourselves! I am having counter-horoscopes worked up which we are going to distribute, especially in the occupied areas. "
     - March 16, 1942 

    "In the United States astrologers are at work to prophesy an early end for the Fuehrer. We know that type of work as we have often done it ourselves. We shall take up our astrological propaganda again as soon as possible. I expect quite a little of it, especially in the United States and England."
     - April 28, 1942

In addition to the initial misunderstandings about occultism and Nazism, occultism was used as a convenient scapegoat after the war in explaining the Nazi movement. This was because many of the early anti-Nazi writers in the West were Christians and both wanted to use Nazism to support their own agenda by labeling everything they didn't like as "Nazi" and also in order to deflect attention from the role of Christianity in German anti-Semitism, which was in fact significant. Even among Christians, Protestants were quick to pass blame on to the Catholic Church as a means to shift attention away from the role of Protestantism in the Nazi movement.

To be continued.
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« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2012, 07:02:57 PM »
Educated in my city - Leo Strauss was a German-American political philosopher and classicist who specialized in classical political philosophy. He was born in Germany to Jewish parents and later emigrated to the United States.

So why did the "cult of Straussianism" succeed?

    "It took hold here for the same reasons that cults generally succeed in the U.S.: ignorance, inexperience, and a desire to have a simple answer to complex problems."

I think Straussianism succeeded because it occupied a small academic niche which provided a nucleus for jewish conspirators to organize around.  Strauss's being dull & obtuse helped in that way; avg philosophy student less likely to be interested but likely jewish students suggested to each other at benefits to studying the crap other than philosophical interest.

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« Reply #51 on: October 07, 2012, 11:48:58 AM »
I think Straussianism succeeded because it occupied a small academic niche which provided a nucleus for jewish conspirators to organize around.  Strauss's being dull & obtuse helped in that way; avg philosophy student less likely to be interested but likely jewish students suggested to each other at benefits to studying the crap other than philosophical interest.

Jews like expedients to their greed and lust for total, ruthless control.  Strauss turns that greed and lust into a "school of thought".
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« Reply #52 on: October 07, 2012, 02:24:28 PM »
Nazi's were NOT fascist. .

Fascism : People work to serve the interest of Industry

National Socialism : Industry works  to serve the interest of the people.

So actually national socialism is the opposite of fascism.
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« Reply #53 on: October 07, 2012, 02:41:25 PM »
Nazi's were NOT fascist. .

Fascism : People work to serve the interest of Industry

National Socialism : Industry works  to serve the interest of the people.

So actually national socialism is the opposite of fascism.

That's very true, Vidarr, but good luck winning any argument.
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« Reply #54 on: October 07, 2012, 02:52:22 PM »
Even in the translation, this is some of the greatest writing ever -- says so much per word.  Maybe in German it is even better?

Hitler hits the nail on the head in every speech, He simply states the truth, That's why jews never go into debate about what he said or wrote but stick to the quick divert and discard technique of calling you  a nazi, anti-semite, holocaust denier. Or silence you by locking you up.
If you want to negate the truth, you can only twist and lie but you'll eventually make a fool of yourself. So they'll avert the discussion.
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« Reply #55 on: October 07, 2012, 05:27:08 PM »
Hitler hits the nail on the head in every speech, He simply states the truth, That's why jews never go into debate about what he said or wrote but stick to the quick divert and discard technique of calling you  a nazi, anti-semite, holocaust denier. Or silence you by locking you up.
If you want to negate the truth, you can only twist and lie but you'll eventually make a fool of yourself. So they'll avert the discussion.

The world was force fed Ayn Rand as medicine after Hitler opened up a lot of minds.  Rand says nations are the worst forms of humanity.
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« Reply #56 on: October 07, 2012, 07:11:39 PM »
The world was force fed Ayn Rand as medicine after Hitler opened up a lot of minds.  Rand says nations are the worst forms of humanity.

In the 1930's Miss Rand's job was taking dirty smelly Hollywood costumes to the laundry.
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« Reply #57 on: October 07, 2012, 07:24:37 PM »
Ayn Rand circa 1927 in Hollywood






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« Reply #58 on: October 07, 2012, 07:33:27 PM »
Ayn Rand circa 1927 in Hollywood



Wow, she was a babe. Too bad she wasn't discovered.
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« Reply #59 on: October 07, 2012, 08:01:55 PM »
Hitler hits the nail on the head in every speech, He simply states the truth, That's why jews never go into debate about what he said or wrote but stick to the quick divert and discard technique of calling you  a nazi, anti-semite, holocaust denier. Or silence you by locking you up.
If you want to negate the truth, you can only twist and lie but you'll eventually make a fool of yourself. So they'll avert the discussion.

That's why MSM documentaries only show small fragments of Hitler speeches & usually with no translation.  Once downloaded a collection of Hitler & Goebbels speeches, don't know much German but understand some bits here & there.  Actually their speech is pretty easy to understand as far as German speakers go.  BTW the school system I attended deliberately steered students away from German:  in 7/8th grade there were two tracks:  smart track automatically had to take French so when you got to high school many, like myself, reluctant to switch to other languages.  In hindsight I probably would have switched.