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« Reply #140 on: October 01, 2012, 06:16:08 AM »
Don't shoot the messenger, I just shared what I saw, but it did not dawn on me that the intention was to vilify him.

I was looking for something entirely different and up pops the website in question. So you can imagine when I saw Dr. Duke's name, naturally I was surprised and shared it because this website looked rather strange to me.

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It happens to the best of us, Soosh.  We can't read everything and some things strike the eye and fool us - and those bums on that particular judeo-christian zio-website seem particularly prone to trying that trick, posting pictures of Dr Duke and Learned Elders of Zion books etc & etc.

If you like you could delete your original post and I could delete my "irate" response, except due to the stoopid time limit edit feature here I guess you'll have to do both.

As you know, I have been trying to tell people that the official 911 story is a pack of ridiculous lies and nonsense that hold no water and make no sense right from day one. 



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« Reply #141 on: October 01, 2012, 10:15:51 AM »

It happens to the best of us, Soosh.  We can't read everything and some things strike the eye and fool us - and those bums on that particular judeo-christian zio-website seem particularly prone to trying that trick, posting pictures of Dr Duke and Learned Elders of Zion books etc & etc.

If you like you could delete your original post and I could delete my "irate" response, except due to the stoopid time limit edit feature here I guess you'll have to do both.

As you know, I have been trying to tell people that the official 911 story is a pack of ridiculous lies and nonsense that hold no water and make no sense right from day one. 

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Thanks for the thought. This was an honest exchange, rrb, there is no need to remove the posts. And you are still my friend.  :)
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« Reply #143 on: October 04, 2012, 06:10:06 AM »
Remember that when I said that "scores (possibly hundreds) of Jews were killed on 9/11", you said, "I gotta agree with [gelignite] on this one".

Stop selectively quoting me. I said that I "agreed" with you, but FOR A DIFFERENT REASON. Here is my whole post:

I gotta agree with the resident zio-troll on this one, but for a different reason. It's simply a statistical impossibility that on jew-run-and-infested Wall Street and the financial industry in general, there would only be one single jew trapped in the world's two largest buildings that happen to be located in that district and house multiple financial(racketeering) firms.

Personally, I think the "how many jews died in the 9/11 attacks" is a minor hair-splitting issue that diverts from the larger picture and more important issues. Which is exactly why a diversionist champ like Jelly will take up argument with it and waste everyone's time and bandwidth.

Get it, now? Yes, of course you do, but by continuing to focus on this hair-splitting detail of little consequence, you are simply continuing the MO that I called you out on, above in red. They let you back in and you just pick right up where you left off.

Edit to add:  BTW, I also said somewhere on this thread that you would EXPECT jews to sacrifice some of their own, NOT spare them all. Too obvious, too difficult. Some are going to have to "take one for the team" in a disaster of this order of magnitude.




It's a claim that is not only morally sickening (imo, which is one of the reasons I went at him so hard)

"Morally sickening"?? Why? Let me guess: Because it hurts you to think that the Tribe might be cohesive enough to pull off such a thing? That being: to inform their own people that disaster was coming, or maybe just simply advising their people not to go to work that day? That is "morally sickening" to you, to contemplate?

Or is it the fact that one thing we DO know, regardless of jewish attendance at the WTC at 8-10 am on September 11, 2001, is that Israel DID have foreknowledge that there was a plan afoot. AGAIN - I repeat the link I posted earlier:

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2005/08/31/israel-and-911-new-report-connects-the-dots/
http://www.antiwar.com/rep2/MemorandumtotheCommissionandSelectCommitteesbold.pdf

Last four pages of the PDF show maps that illustrate the DEA's findings concerning Israeli spies tailing the purported 9/11 hijackers.  How many times do I need to go over this? Israel had foreknowledge of the attacks. Period. It's not ENTIRELY impossible that they could have alerted as many jews and/or Israelis as possible about the impending "attacks," but it IS statistically improbable, regardless of any notification, that "only one" would die. That was my point.


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And what's truly astonishing to me is how neither you nor anyone else is blaming OT in the slightest for wasting three whole pages...

Oh, really?  ::) Umm, please re-read my post that I politely re-posted above for your reference. See where I say, "Personally, I think the "how many jews died in the 9/11 attacks" is a minor hair-splitting issue that diverts from the larger picture and more important issues"? A point that I re-iterated later on the thread, as well? Basically, I'm dressing down ALL of you that would waste time on this minor issue. Actually, I'm dressing down not only OT but also Werewolf, more than I am you, for them falling into your trap. Which is that they LET you waste our time and bandwidth over stupid bullshit.

As far as OT and his hangup with the "only one jew died in the 9/11 attacks"....well, that's not the first time I've seen OT cling inexplicably to something that has little proof, basis in fact, or rational sense. There have been a few other occasions, but I no longer remember the specifics. All I can say is that each time it surprised me, coming from what seems to be an otherwise rational person, and it also surprised me that someone who actually believes some of these blatantly improbable things, with no regard for backing up his opinion with any locatable facts, would be made a moderator/admin. But hey, obviously a lot's happened since Joe kicked me off of NOLAJBS years ago and I rarely read the forum for a long time. Then LW finally invites me to come back once he's in charge, and I see this "Old Times" person I've never even seen before, and he's already a mod. Whatever. Gotta find the folks who have the time, I guess. LW's forum, and all that. At least I can thank Goddess that Skunk isn't a mod.  ;D

(blah, blah, blah...)

Sure he does. And yet, it appears that Skunk is among the most-valued and popular members of this forum.


If only LW would just limit Skunk's postings to that little sandbox he created for him called "Skunk's Place," instead of allowing him to clutter up the News and General boards with his stupid random fluff pieces on various individuals, with the typically-baseless, un-cited assertions or implications that said person is a kike.

What's particularly infuriating to me about Skunk's above MO as I've described it, is that often I find him posting this garbage very soon if not IMMEDIATELY after I, personally, have been making posts. It's like he's trying to bury and distract from what I myself have to say. A kind of damage-control. I'm not trying to be immodest here or say that I am the only one he does this to - but it's simply happened too many times to be a coincidence. This is particularly why I'd like to see him confined to his own section of the forum. The way I see it, it's a win-win: Skunk stays and his fans are happy, and the rest of us don't have to deal with him pissing on the topics that WE post, or posting BS threads that are just diversionary.

The fact is, critically-thinking people like me, who are also bold and straight-up enough to call out Skunk (and you, for that matter) on his bullshit, frighten the hell out of him.

And you.


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« Reply #144 on: October 04, 2012, 06:14:22 AM »

Do what you will. I only ask that you allow me to continue to access the search functions (much as these last couple of weeks). There are some interesting exchanges with past members I would like to re-visit from time to time.


Is that why I saw you looking at my profile several times, when browsing the "who is online" page? Yippee. I have a stalker. ::)

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« Reply #145 on: October 04, 2012, 06:45:22 AM »
Could very well be that 9/11 plotters deliberately killed at least some jews to solidly rope the Tribe into the new GWOT.  I don't buy into the idea that jews always move heaven & earth to save fellow jews when they have bigger fish to fry.

Exactly. I don't either. Like I said in my above post: "you would EXPECT jews to sacrifice some of their own, NOT spare them all. Too obvious, too difficult. Some are going to have to "take one for the team" in a disaster of this order of magnitude."
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« Reply #146 on: October 04, 2012, 07:24:40 AM »


What's particularly infuriating to me about Skunk's above MO as I've described it, is that often I find him posting this garbage very soon if not IMMEDIATELY after I, personally, have been making posts. It's like he's trying to bury and distract from what I myself have to say. A kind of damage-control. I'm not trying to be immodest here or say that I am the only one he does this to - but it's simply happened too many times to be a coincidence. This is particularly why I'd like to see him confined to his own section of the forum. The way I see it, it's a win-win: Skunk stays and his fans are happy, and the rest of us don't have to deal with him pissing on the topics that WE post, or posting BS threads that are just diversionary.

See what I mean? http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=24320.msg232821#msg232821
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« Reply #147 on: October 04, 2012, 07:35:22 AM »
Well it really just depends on what the truth is, doesn't it?

The truth is, I don't know for sure if it's zero or one jew that died in 9/11.  Or even two or three jews.  I guess it depends somewhat on the definition (i.e. Israeli, bloodline, or just someone with a jewish-sounding name). 

So, that's the "real truth," then? Then why did you make the following post, throwing it out there as if it were fact? Really irresponsible of you, if I may say so:

(snip)

Other faces seem vaguely familiar, mostly jewish, which is odd because only 1 jew died in 9/11, and I'm starting to even wonder if that...
(snip)

You have to stop leaving yourself open to attacks from Jelly like this. Personally,  I don't open my mouth to say anything about 9/11 (or most anything, for that matter) unless I KNOW I can back it up as FACT. If it's not fact, but a possibility or probability, I clarify it as that. Otherwise, I risk being written off as unserious or an outright liar.

The only assertion I can't adequately back up concerning 9/11, is my claim that Flight 93 was shot down, and that is due to privacy reasons of the folks I've talked to who have firsthand knowledge of this fact. I can state what I know, but I won't divulge others' personal info, and people will either trust me, based on my previous posting history, or they won't. But they SURE as hell won't trust me if I start posting unsupported assertions - which sound statistically improbable to begin with - like, "only one jew died on 9/11." As they say, you reap what you sow. We'll be hearing about this from Jelly for YEARS, I kid you not. I'm sure he's got your post bookmarked to throw in your face somewhere down the road when you ARE making a supported and/or believable point, just to discredit you. Another part of his MO, in case you hadn't figured it out already. He already set the stage with that last post to you.
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« Reply #148 on: October 04, 2012, 07:46:37 AM »

Jews died on 911; Israhellies didn't


Perhaps I missed it, but do you have proof of this? And were there any Israelis expected to be in the WTC or "Pentagram," to begin with?

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- other than the two very mysterious characters on the planes, namely airplane commandeering specialist Daniel Lewin and Ms. Avraham.

I know Skunk is big on pushing the Lewin/Sayeret Maktal suicide-pilot line, but let's get real here: Do you honestly know of ANY jews - ESPECIALLY at this high level of training and trust - who are suicidal enough to carry out a mission like this? Even that batshit-crazy Baruch Goldstein didn't kill himself during his Purim-re-enacting massacre of Palis at Hebron (like so many mass-murderers do). He kept right on mowing them down until some of them overpowered him and beat him to death.

Also, I think it was you who previously mentioned being aware that jews don't believe in an afterlife; therefore, they take as much as they can from others, during THIS one; and as many of us know, they value their own bodies so much (to be resurrected, later), that they won't even donate their own organs upon death.

And BTW, isn't taking one's life the ultimate sin in the jewish world, per the Talmud or something?

I would say, based on the above, that it seems highly unlikely that an accomplished pilot like Lewin, or anyone else of his rank and esteem, would decide to forfeit his life for the Tribe. Unless........he/others was/were brainwashed into doing it. Is that possibly your line of reasoning to justify his actions?
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« Reply #149 on: October 04, 2012, 07:52:42 AM »
Stop selectively quoting me. I said that I "agreed" with you, but FOR A DIFFERENT REASON.

Whatever.

Is the notion that "only one Jew died" a LIE or is it not?

This isn't that complicated, dom.

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"Morally sickening"?? Why?

Because there are hundreds of families out there who are mourning the loss of a loved one. According to OT (and others), they are either faking it or they are being duped, and there are people presumed dead who are sitting on a beach earning 20 percent.


[...wild, unsupported speculation snipped...]

 
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« Reply #150 on: October 04, 2012, 08:04:08 AM »
Is that why I saw you looking at my profile several times, when browsing the "who is online" page?

Yours, as well as that of WRS, clayman, Effendi, E.T., New Math... many others from back in the day.

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Yippee. I have a stalker. ::)

Not really.
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« Reply #151 on: October 04, 2012, 08:07:20 AM »
Whatever.

Is that notion that "only one Jew died" a LIE or is it not?

This isn't that complicated, dom.

NOW, you can stop being condescending. I don't know if OT's claim that "only one jew died on 9/11" is a lie, a parroting of misinformation, or by some VERY minute chance, the truth. I have yet to see OT or anyone else ever post backup for this assertion.

All I said is that I find it statistically improbable. How many times must I repeat myself before you understand this? Either start reading more carefully, or quit being deliberately obtuse and wasting MY time, now.

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Because there are hundreds of families out there who are mourning the loss of a loved one. According to OT (and others), they are either faking it or they are being duped, and there are people presumed dead who are sitting on a beach earning 20 percent.

Oh, bullshit. You mean to tell me you REALLY care about these likely total strangers to you and their feelings concerning some folks' assertions on this obscure message board? No, I don't think so. It's just an opening for you to troll.

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[...wild, unsupported speculation snipped...]

Fuck you and your insults. Quit writing off my posts as "wild, unsupported speculation." Or else, tell me WHERE that is true, you troll.

I will post that memorandum again and again if I need to. http://www.antiwar.com/rep2/MemorandumtotheCommissionandSelectCommitteesbold.pdf

YOU are the one who keeps quoting our government stooges and their "official story" about 9/11. Why do you ALSO not respect our government's DEA in reporting that Israeli spies were following the alleged 9/11 hijackers for MONTHS before the attacks? This is not "wild, unsupported speculation." It's documented fact that, unlike the motive to "cover up" aspects of 9/11 after the fact, doubfully had any ulterior or sinister motive to be reported by the DEA other than national security. And was lost in the shuffle - or deliberately ignored, it would seem - in the miasma of agency miscommunication that existed between ALL bureaus, as we have learned.

Not to mention, Nat'l Security Advisor Rice's memorandum to Bush that there was an impending attack (claiming al-CIAda/bin-Laden as the potential perps)? Do you believe THAT and not the DEA? Why can't BOTH be true? (OBL being a CIA creation and all, anyway)

Such cherry-picking. At least try to be consistent in your trolling. But that would undermine your shilling, I suppose....
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« Reply #152 on: October 04, 2012, 08:11:53 AM »
Yours, as well as that of WRS, clayman, Effendi, E.T., New Math... many others from back in the day.

Not really.

Speaking of clayman, I went to the muslimamerica site awhile back and saw that someone - him, perhaps - seems to be archiving posts of WRS. Therefore I suppose it's redundant of me to create a blog for it as I had suggested on another thread.
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« Reply #153 on: October 04, 2012, 08:23:22 AM »
NOW, you can stop being condescending. I don't know if OT's claim that "only one jew died on 9/11" is a lie, a parroting of misinformation, or by some VERY minute chance, the truth.

Heh... Well, you be sure and let me know when you decide upon which euphemism you're gonna go with, k dom?

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« Reply #154 on: October 04, 2012, 08:44:47 AM »
Heh... Well, you be sure and let me know when you decide upon which euphemism you're gonna go with, k dom?



ONCE AGAIN....if you have read my posts, you can see that this is what I've been saying all along. "Euphemism"? That's a flat-out red herring, not to mention a falsehood.

Not only that, you keep truncating my quoted posts, so as to skew the message. I followed your above quote with "I have yet to see OT or anyone else ever post backup for this assertion. All I said is that I find it statistically improbable. "

That's not a "euphemism," in case you were wondering. It's a logical conclusion to come to ("statistical improbability") base on lack of evidence to the contrary.

To the mods: I submit that Jelly's OBVIOUSLY DELIBERATE obtuseness is somewhere in the neighborhood of trolling. Again.



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Have a nice day.

Yep, that's how you usually behave when you have no argument. Drop a stinkbomb with no relevance or basis, then fuck off.

Typical.



Once again, I win the "debate" (I use that term VERY loosely), but at the loss of my time. Actually, it's nothing close to a rational, challenging debate, it's just repeating myself and the facts over and over while you keep trying to twist them into something else.

Thanks for another great lesson for the class, Skinner rat.

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« Reply #155 on: October 04, 2012, 12:25:25 PM »
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"Euphemism"?

Yes dom, euphemism. As in, the substitution of a neutral, inoffensive expression in place of one against which someone (e.g., one of your fellow travelers) might take offense.

My position is and always has been that the claim that "only one Jew died" is an out-and-out LIE. It has nothing whatever to do with statistical probabilities or wild, unsupported speculation as to what it is that "the tribe" might or might not be capable of. I have steadfastly maintained that the notion is, in and of itself, demonstrably false.

Earlier, you said, "I gotta agree with [gelignite] on this one…"

Well, you can't have it both ways, dom. You either agree with me that the notion is false (i.e., a lie), or you do not.

I am aware that you had your own "reason" for the position you took. It is, however, immaterial to the question I'm asking you now.

And, for that matter, let's take a look what else you said earlier in this thread:

You (earlier): "It's simply a statistical impossibility…"

If OT's earlier statement is not possible (for whatever "reason" you care to cite), then it follows that the claim is false. As in, not true, a lie, etc. No two ways about it. Such is the position you effectively took earlier when you said that you agreed with me.

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I followed your above quote with "I have yet to see OT or anyone else ever post backup for this assertion. All I said is that I find it statistically improbable."

Now, it seems, you're allowing for the possibility (however slight) that OT's claim is true.

This is what's known as a "backpedal".

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To the mods: I submit that Jelly's OBVIOUSLY DELIBERATE obtuseness is somewhere in the neighborhood of trolling. Again.

You're the one who is now bending yourself into pretzel-like contortions in an attempt to maintain appearances. You won't admit that OT's claim was a lie (your programming apparently won't allow it), so you resort to carefully crafted euphemisms such as "parroting of misinformation" to describe what it is that OT is doing. And then you won't commit to knowing whether he's doing even that.

You're all over the place, dom.

First you say that you agree with me. Then you say that you "don't know".

You state that OT's claim is a statistical "impossibility". Then you subsequently allow that it might actually be the truth.

Right foot blue, left hand red. Spin the dial.


And yet you say *I'm* the one who's trolling?

Hoo, that's rich.

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Once again, I win the "debate"...

I hardly see how this amounts to any sort of victory on your part. Once again, you've demonstrated the lengths you will dance around an issue to avoid making a concession of any sort, lest you give the appearance of siding with "Jelly" on any point whatsoever.

I'm not the one who's causing this to happen. The music is all in your head.

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« Reply #156 on: October 04, 2012, 02:36:11 PM »
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I also said somewhere on this thread that you would EXPECT jews to sacrifice some of their own, NOT spare them all. Too obvious, too difficult. Some are going to have to "take one for the team" in a disaster of this order of magnitude.

This is just like a comedy sketch…

The argument up to this point (essentially): "Jews were forewarned about the 9/11 attacks. Only one Jew died that day, after all. The rest got out of harm's way ahead of time. Because, you know… they were all forewarned."

Rebuttal: "But that's not true. In fact, scores (if not hundreds) of Jews were killed in the 9/11 attacks. We know this because (among other things) of all the Jewish funeral services that took place. It's all a matter of public record."

Argument: "Lies, all lies! Everyone knows that you can't trust the 'public record', or anything else in the 'jew-run' media."

Rebuttal: "The 'jew-run' media… Say, isn't that the same source you cited for your other claim about the 4000 Israelis who supposedly missed work at the WTC on 9/11, and that whole other thing about the 'dancing Israelis'?"

Argument: "Yeah. So what's your point?"

Rebuttal: "Uhm, you just said..."

Argument 2 suddenly chimes in to the rescue (essentially): "Look, all this talk about 'how many Jews died' is just meaningless and diversionary hair-splitting. Don't get caught in Jelly's trap. Besides, you would expect Jews to sacrifice some of their own, and not spare them all… a disaster of this order of magnitude."

Rebuttal: "So you're saying the fact that *many* Jews died in the 9/11 attacks… is also evidence that they were forewarned?"

Argument 2: "Well, it certainly doesn't prove that they weren't forewarned."


And 'round and 'round we go.
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« Reply #157 on: October 04, 2012, 03:18:06 PM »
Dominique,

There are other women in my life who like to push emotional "hot-buttons" to get what they want.  I tend to handle them only when necessary, by giving them what they deserve which may or may not always be what they want.

In your rambling, I notice you are a good "hot-button" operator,  but in so doing you also get many things factually wrong.  Facts and truth are 2ndary, which also fits the familiar pattern.

As far as "only one jew died in 9/11", I only casually mentioned this.  I would be perfectly willing to take it back, if I didn't believe it was true.

The only 'coincidence' I see is yet another politically sensitive thread that ends with you and gelignite arguing endlessly over BS.  You want people to stop reading, and I'm afraid you'll succeed.

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- Obama proclaims 9/11 anniv. Patriot Day, Natl. Day of Service and Remembrance
« Reply #158 on: October 04, 2012, 06:57:50 PM »
As far as "only one jew died in 9/11", I only casually mentioned this.  I would be perfectly willing to take it back, if I didn't believe it was true.

You would have been more accurate to say 'Israeli' rather than jew. Apparently only one Israeli died in the towers and two on the planes. Israeli leadership claimed 4000 Israelis had died. And Gelignite is all worried about the confusion over a obscure fact vs. the outright Israeli lie of 4000 killed? A little balance is in order Gelignite.
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« Reply #159 on: October 04, 2012, 07:19:20 PM »
You would have been more accurate to say 'Israeli' rather than jew. Apparently only one Israeli died in the towers and two on the planes. Israeli leadership claimed 4000 Israelis had died. And Gelignite is all worried about the confusion over a obscure fact vs. the outright Israeli lie of 4000 killed? A little balance is in order Gelignite.

After all, Israelis lie all the time about "injuries" from "Palestinian rockets".  They claim "shock" as an injury since very few actually scratched:

Wiki:  During the 2008–2009 conflict, schools and universities in southern Israel closed due to rocket threats.[124] Hamas rockets landed on Israeli educational facilities several times (such as empty schools in Beersheba[125][126]) from 2008 to 2009, with no casualties as of January 15, except for cases of shock.