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« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2012, 09:18:00 PM »
Thank you for posting this link SG.

My pleasure, you are welcome.  :)
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« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2012, 09:48:10 PM »
Racial tension is also big problem with importing loads of radically different ppl.

Absolutely, this is exactly what has been happening, it was planned that way, the intent was/is to weaken the racial fabric of the nation.

To the PTB, unity is bad, chaos is good. 
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« Reply #42 on: April 15, 2012, 11:01:13 PM »


By Gerry Frederics (older article, very passionate and informative.)

Did you know that one of the 'jewels' in Philadelphia was Germantown and that this area, after the Germans left has deteriorated into a cesspool?

Did you know that the same can be said of all areas worldwide from which the German settlers have either been removed by force of arms, or left voluntarily? The Balkans, the Volgas region, the Sudetenland, Pomerania, Silesia, West Prussia, East Prussia. First the Germans come and create and built like noone else, then they are mass-murdered and the rest is driven out and subsequently these regions degenerate to an unfathomable degree.

Would someone please explain this insanity to me?

The vilification, defamation and attempted destruction of Germans and all things related to Germany, including its territory is in historical terms a relatively new phenomenon. It is also the most virulent ever experienced by any group of peoples. That we Germans have contributed to this insanity is quite clear and in many instances utterly incomprehensible, as in the case of Marlene Dietrich, Thomas Mann, Pastor Niemoeller, Admital Canaris or General Halder for instance. One of the major causes however is an underlying inferiority complex by other nations, real or imagined something skilfully used by World Jewry, which has since the early 19th. century done everything conceivable to destroy us and Western Civilization as we know it. Why? Because we Germans have in the past 200 or-so-years been the main-stay of Western Civilization. We inherited it and enriched it immensely in every area of human endeavor, far out of proportion to our numbers or geographic area. This in turn gave rise to a feeling of superiority in the German, which unfortunately caused an attitude which has been perceived as arrogant by others even if under examination we are no more arrogant, and a damn sight less so, than the French, the English, not to forget the most chauvinistic people on earth (and one might ask, on what basis?) the Poles.

The Jew is incapable of tolerating any other people and many prominent Jews have openly admitted this as their reason for constantly attempting to destroy civilizations. In order to subvert the Germans, their pride, self confidence and their very soul have to be destroyed first. This has so far been accomplished by a combination of incessant international vilification, by the invariable de-humanization of the Germans in movies, books, "Eye-witness reports" (strangely never backed up by any solid evidence, as well as getting more shrill, more insane and intense the further away from the actual events we move time-wise), by the utter destruction of all Germanic virtues and the corruption of their youth. Everything German is 'hateful' and pointing out the ugliness, the de-humanizing injustice that this represents is screechingly denounced as 'hate-speech'. Hate, as defined by the Jewish masters of the world is anything German or anyone who defends Germany's honor and record. This has been done to the degree, that reasonable people go into a rage when confronted by someone who merely says: "Prove Germann perfidy. Prove German crimes. Prove the Holocaust. Prove the existence of gas chambers. Prove the photos and movies and stories are true.

* Prove it with FORENSIC, DOCUMENTARY evidence, as required in any court of law!" Normal, decent people go ballistic and mindlessly screech "Nazi!"

* At the Nuremberg trials numerous photos were introduced as 'evidence', photos which in reality showed murdered, roasted alive German women and children at Dresden in February 1945. Movies were introduced, which had been professionally made using half-starved German prisoners Of War, who had been put into Concentration Camp inmate uniforms and had been placed behind barbed wire fences. The incredible dishonesty of the English-speaking world which engineered these things surely seeks its equal in the annals of recorded history.

On the other hand prove of anything anti-German is not only superfluous, it's regarded as wholly unnecessary. German guilt is a priori, it's gospel, it's a religion and the more absurd, the more people believe it, just like a religion. Indubitable proof-positive that the Jew lives by the lie however is 'hate'. Never mind that Voltaire, Tacitus, St.Thomas Aquinus, Martin Luther, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Napoleon Bonaparte, George Bernard Shaw, Franz Liszt, Richard Wagner and the list of true giants who said exactly that, is endless.

This subject has been treated at length by many people better qualified than I. I suggest you obtain and study the following books:

        1) The International Jew, by Henry Ford, no ISBN #, available from CPA Book Publisher P.O.Box 596,
        Boring, Oregon, 97009, USA

        2) The Protocols Of Zion, unknown author(s?), same publisher

        3) Falsehoods In Wartime, by Arthur Ponsonby,ISBN 0-939484-39-0

        OR:

        Contact 'Liberty Bell Publications' at P.O.Box 21, Reedy, WV 25270, USA for a plethora of publications,
        pamphlets and books.

Furthermore go to the links-page on this web site to obtain a large number of publishers and web-sites which bring you information simply not available at your local book store. No, no, no, those people aren't wild-eyed 'extremists'. Their work is invariably well researched, complete with foot-notes and all sorts of annotations. Their work is well documented . "The Protocols of Zion" however are not in addition to being authored by unknown persons. Hence the frantic attempts by World Jewry to discredit them as 'forgeries'. However, since everything predicted in them has so far come true, only a Jew or borderline insane fundamental Christian like Pat Robertson or his corrupt and thieving ilk would deny their veracity. You see folks, Christianity has brought us the likes of Pat Roberstson, Jerry Falwell, Gary Bauer or George Bush Jr. (who tells us, he receives his instructions from God personally!), borderline religiously insane people who claim the Jews to be God's Chosen!, a claim from the bible (a book written by Jews), a claim no one in his right mind could possibly ever take seriously. But leave it up to the folks just mentioned, or the freak who is the present-day German President (Rau) or ANY fundamental Christian, including the Polak-Pope, and you end up with a situation were evil, pure, unmitigated horror, rules.

It's simple, if you are interested in "THE TRUTH", you'll search it out for yourself as I did. If you are not, you shouldn't waste your time visiting a site like this one, but you should go back to your Jew-tube, drink Coca-Cola, eat McDonalds and get ever more fat, sloppy, undisciplined and stupid. As I told a fellow, if you are sincere and really get into this thing, it will boggle your mind.

"It was usual and plausible to paint the German as an unpractical, dreamy, sentimental being, looking out with mild blue eyes into a cloud of music and metaphysics and tobacco smoke."

The English historian Frederic William Maitland, describing how Germans were looked upon in 19th. century England.

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"The Germans are a nation of poets and thinkers, kindly, impractical, other-worldly dreamers without national prejudices and disinclined to war.'

Madam de Stael, prominent French writer during Napoleon's times

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"Whether seen in their newly united nation (1871) or in the United States, the Germans were generally regarded as methodical and energetic people, indeed as models of progress, while in their devotion to music, education, science and technology they aroused the admiration and emulation of the Americans."

Henry Cord Meyer, American historian describing American attitudes of the latter half of the 19th. century.

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Germany is the cradle of law, virtue and freedom and it is a distinction of the first rank that the English belong to the family of Germanic nations.

Thomas Arnold, 19th. century English historian.

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"Germany, from a great confused mass of warriors and thinkers and workers, militant at cross-purposes, wearing themselves out in vain struggles and preyed upon by malevolent neighbors, has become a great power in arms, in art, in science, in literature; a fortress of high thought; a guardian of civilization; the natural ally of every nation which seeks the better development of humanity.

"Andrew Dickson White, American historian and educator, US Ambassador to Germany in 1905

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If the German Emperor had not been born to monarchy, he would have been chosen monarch - or chief executive - by popular vote of any modern people among whom his lot might have been cast

"Nicholas Murray Butler in a New York Times editorial of June 8 1913!

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"The German Emperor Wilhelm the 2nd, is the world's greatest single force for peace at the time.

"William Howard Taft, American statesman, in the New York Times on June 8 1913!

ONE YEAR later, the same newspaper would call our Emperor "The Beast of Berlin" and a campaign of hate and poison against Germany would engulf the minds of people all over the globe, a campaign engineered in and fueled by London. This horror of dishonesty has born fruit to this very day and has completely corrupted all people, even those of education. This campaign of "Hate-Germany" laid the foundation for WW2, its unparalleled horrors and its aftermath. It also represents the carpet on which the Jewish Holocaust-religion, movies, books etc. are resting. Without this British anti-German campaign, no one in his right mind would ever even begin to believe the Jew-concocted stories, stories which have been discredited to such a degree, that it is unfathomable.

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I could go on and on with quotes showing how Germany was admired and honored in the English world, but what for? If the above quotes do not suffice, nothing will, because not only were the comments about Germany glowing, there were none which were negative. Literally every man and woman of any importance in the English speaking world was pro-German.

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Historical Time-line:

1933: World Jewry declares war on Germany

World Jewry dispatches a Herr Untermeyer to the United States who makes the insane claim that tens of thousands of Jews are being are being murdered in broad daylight in Germany. That he was called a liar of the worst stripe by every foreigner who visited Germany at the time predictably had no effect on his Jewish zeal for dishonesty, lies and subterfuge.

1933: World Jewry declares a world-wide boycott of German goods, a boycott which almost bankrupted my country at the time, but which failed due to Hitler's tough stance and his policies which began to make Germany more and more independent of international machinations.

1933: Toward the very end of the year, Hitler gave a speech in which he publicly outlined his plans, his desire for peace, his admiration for the British Empire, his Hands-Off the British Empire policy and his desire to arrive at fair and equitable internationl agreements. He denounced the Versailles treaty and announced his intention of cancelling all that had to do with these infamous treaties. He also informed the League Of Nations that if they would continue their anti-German stance, he would quit this organization. No foreign politician (with the exceptioin of Jew Rossevelt in the White House) thought any of his statements to be 'extreme', 'threatening' or unreasonable.

1934: Germany concludes a friendship pact with Marshal Pilsudski of Poland, much to the chagrin of England and the Jew-led US, who had hoped this pact would fail. (After Pilsudskis death in 1936, England and the US used every ruse imaginable to induce Poland to break the treaty. England and the US made every attempt at stirring up hate in Poland against Germany. As we know, unfortunately they succeeded in their diplomatic treachery and essentially maneuvered Germany into a war. After the defeat of Poland, Hitler ordered a 24-hour Honor-Guard at the tomb of Marshall Pilsudski. Had Pilsudski lived, I dare say, there wouldn't have been a WW2. See the article "Poland and Germany" on this web-site).

1934: The prominent (and incidentally excellent) Jewish writer Emil Ludwig (I think that was his pen name only) said: "Hitler will have his war, whether he wants one or not". This at a time, when war was the furthest thing from Hitler's mind. He had after all inherited a bankrupt, morally desperate country without any military to speak of, a country in need of everything. (Considering Ludwig was an insider and well connected with Jewish leaders throughout the world, it is a safe bet to say he knew something!)

1934: Hitler crushes by force a rebellion brewing within his own party. Many leaders all over the world praised Hitler's decision to use force against his opponents because had he not, a revolution with possibly terrible consequences would have engulfed Germany.

1936: Jablonsky, the top Jew in the slavic world stated in a speech: "Germany is a threat to world Jewry and therefore must be destroyed". (This was after the Nurnberg Laws had been passed, laws which were less restrictive of Jews than present-day laws in Israel are restrictive of none-Jews!)

1936: Churchill stated in a conversation: "Germany is getting too strong. We must smash her".

1936: Hitler stated repeatedly (as he had during the previous years) his desire to see all of Europe disarm. At that time Germany was the least armed country in all of Europe. Czechoslovakia for example, had an army well equipped with the latest British military hardware. Germany was totally surrounded by nations, which were armed to the teeth. Hitler's pleadings fell on deaf ears.

1936: Stalin's Cheka, his Jewish created, organized and led secret police, invaded every German village in the Ukraine and murdered every man between the ages of 14 and 60. These ethnic Germans were pacifistic Mennonites and had lived there for centuries. Some of their mass graves were discovered in the 1990's.

1936: Germany conducts the most successful Olympic Games in the history of mankind. No special security was necessary. No drug tests were necessary, no tests 'proving' an athlete was female (the absurdity of this modern 'improvement' is something not even Kafka could have dreamed up) and no one was discriminated against in any manner on or off the playing field. The German people hailed athletes for their prowess, regardless of what nation they were or what race they belonged to. Jesse Owens, the great black American runner waxed enthusiastically afterward as to how wonderful Germany had been. Leni Riefenstahl the great German movie director made a monumental movie of (not about!), the games which prove the unparalleled fairness of the german audience.

1936: The Hindenburg, the greatest airship the world had ever seen crashes in new Jersey under mysterious circumstances putting a halt to one of modern history's greatest air-transport developments forever. To this day rumors persist that this magnificent air-ship was sabotaged. Whether American authorities did their best to discover what happened is unfortunately improbable.

1938: The Polish Ambassador to Germany writes a long letter to his home office describing the outstanding level of culture and civilization of Germany's cities. He describes how depressing by comparison are the cities of Poland.

1938: The Polish Ambassador to the United States writes a letter to his home office, detailing how the entire information apparatus, newspapers, magazines, movies and the radio in the US are in Jewish hands and how the average American receives no news whatsoever regarding the way things really are.

1939: President Roosevelt sends his personal envoy to Poland to stir up anti-German feelings wherever he can. Mr. Bullock (Jewish? I think so, but do not know for sure) obliges.

1939: President Roosevelt maneuvers Japan into an untenable position, removes the majority of the modern Pacific fleet from Hawaii, leaving behind mostly ships which had been slated to be de-commissioned within a year. Almost all modern ships were sent on maneuvers to Alaska. In order to make things look good, Roosevelt kept one or two modern navy ships at Hawaii. Roosevelt sacrificed the entire garrison on Hawaii in order to maneuver the US into the war, thereby making it a world war. (An interesting book, shock-full of information. Apologetic and badly written, but damning in its conclusions nonetheless. "The Day of Deceit" ISBN 0-684-85339-6

Jump ahead:

1941: The first plan on how to totally murder an entire nation is published in the USA to great applause of the White House, Time Magazine and everyone else with influence. The plan has gone down in history as the Kaufman Plan and is entitled "Germany Must Perish". It is such a hatefilled, insane proposition, that any psychiatrist worth his diploma would have the author committed to an institution for the criminally insane. Alas, because Theodore Kaufman was a top dog in the Jewish community, he was not only hailed, but made tons of money with his insanity, because every Jew and governmental official bought a copy. It pays to remember that this 'plan' was conceived and printed at a time when the USA was neutral and not officially involved in any war with Germany.

1941: Winston Churchill's eminence gris, a certain Professor Lindemann, scientifically (!) worked out a plan to murder the German civilian population by air attack. This plan, which has gone down in history as the "Lindemann Plan", resulted in the murder of about one million women and children, roasted to death (very literally roasted, even melted (!), the heat having been so intense that bodies 'melted' and formed a horrible morass in the basemets of houses), the total destruction of the majority of German civilian population centers, the destruction of inestimable cultural monuments, buildings, museums and the like. This is truly the first and possibly only scientifically designed plan to murder an entire population and its horror cannot be overstated. This Professor Lindemann was educated at Darmstadt University and emigrated to England in the late 1920's. He is listed today as a Lord Cherwell, a monster of indescribable proportions, a Jew of course. It must be remembered here that no plan of any kind for the destruction of world Jewry has ever been found, and frankly, even if there had been such a plan, in view of history it certainly would have been justified.

1943: Early in the year Roosevelts personal advisor and friend, the truly revolting looking Jew Henry Morgenthau Jr. wrote the Morgenthau Plan, the third plan for the annihilation of the German people. All three plans were written in the English-speaking world by English-speaking Jews! and there are still Germans who who don't believe the Jew and the Englishman is our deadly enemy?? What the hell does it take? The Morgenthau Plan quite seriously stated, that if implemented about 40 million Germans would die of starvation. This plan, a good part of which actually was implemented after the war, was hailed as a milestone. It is interesting to note here, that Morgenthau's father planted falsified diplomatic dispatches from the Turkish embassy in 1915, dipatches which helped maneuver the US into the first war to destroy Germany (1914-1918).

1944: "I am not interested in any military targets. What I want to know is how we are going to burn alive 600.000 German refugees in Dresden" - Winston Churchill

1945: After the possibly most heroic struggle for its existence in the history of the world, Germany surrenders. The German government is humiliated unbelievably by the British. Men are screamed at, told to strip, forced to undergo body searches, Fieldmarshall Milch's arm is broken during his arrest by a British (what else?) colonel, several German generals and lower ranked soldiers commit suicide after witnessing the horrible, DE-humanizing treatment accorded their superiors.

1945: Millions of German women and children are kidnapped and shipped to Siberia as slaves. Only a small part ever returns home, a home now belonging to none-German strangers who abuse, rape and murder them. An interesting book about this is: "The Whip , My Homecoming", ISBN 0940715 01 8 . This book is prohibited in Germany.

1945: The Americans and the French create the most inhuman prison system in world history, also called "Eisenhower's Death Camps" by the Canadian press of the time. About one million German soldiers are murdered there by disease, starvation, neglect, lack of shelter and hygenic conditions of the most horrendous nature. I suggest Canadian historian's James Bacque's book "Other Losses", ISBN 0-7737-2269-6. I have heard that this book has in the meantime undergone several revisions, including one which minimizes the horrors, in order for it to be permitted to be published in the US. I cannot vouch for the accuracy of this, but I do know, that the ISBN number I furnished herein is not "Cleaned Up" in any manner, but is the original. Again, prohibited in Germany.

1946: The German government and some military leaders are humiliatingly put on trial at Nurnberg, a trial in which all legalities are suspended with, a trial in which defense is practically not allowed, in which hear-say evidence is accepted as 'fact', including hear-say evidence by people no one has ever been able to locate! Photographs of piles of burned bodies are shown and it is claimed these photos are of dead Jews, when in truth they were photos of dead German women and children, burned to a crisp during the genocidal, insane mass murder by British and Americans air forces at the city of Dresden, earlier in the year 1945. Germans are routinely tortured by Americans and British 'soldiers', practically all Jews. Many were executed on falsified evidence, evidence which in any court in any land, at any time, wouldn't even be permitted by the judge. It has been suggested that they were ritually (Kosher) murdered before being being hung. This claim is based on the official American photographs taken of the bodies after their death..

Whether this is so or not cannot be determined. What is however proven is that they were all strangled to death over a long period of time. The executions lasted several hours, almost an entire day during which the condemned men had to listen to the death-rattle of the man being slowly strangled to death before them. There were no autopsies. Autopsies would have shown the executions to have been inhuman murders. The bodies were burned and the ashes were dumped in the Isar river. The wives and children, the parents and siblings of the murdered Germans were not even given the courtesy of a notification. These horrors are today protected by law in Germany. It is illegal in Germany to question the Nurnberg trials. If any further proof of the present-day enslavement of the Germans is needed I don't know what that could possibly be. The English chief prosecutor was a certain Sir Shawcross who engaged in a virulent 5 hour (!) diatribe, filled with inaccuracies, total lies and innuendos including smearing the great German poet and scientists, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.

Jump ahead:

In early July 2003 Sir Shawcross died peacefully at his home in England. He was 101 years of age at the time of his demise. He is proof that one does not pay for injustices committed during ones lifetime, no matter how heinous. He lived in total peace off a tremendous government pension, honored and respected by his peers, his country and the legal community in the English speaking world. In reality what we have here is a murderer, who was hiding in a judicial robe, a murderer far more evil and virulent than let's say, a Charles Manson - type. He not only gave a speech, which as a man in the highest government circles he had to know, was full of the worst wartime propaganda and out-and-out lies, but he participated in the slaughter of men who had, for the most part done no more than their duties, something he was well aware of.

He let himself become part of the most vile judicial proceedings known to man, a "Show Trial", in which the outcome is per-determined, in which all rules of law are dispensed with, in which known perjured testimony is presented as fact, in short he committed every crime against the law known to man, all hidden by 'legalities' which were no more legal, honest or forthright than the worst parts of the Salem witchcraft trials. The Salem trials at least were held in an atmosphere of abject ignorance and superstition and the judges deep down truly believed they were doing the correct thing. At Nurnberg however, the evil was so monstrous, that it is an impossibility that these men actually believed in their cause. They were, to a man no more than thugs in legal robes, bent on murdering and torturing innocent men.

This self-same monster, Lord Shawcross, had plenty of time to reflect upon his actions and his personal vileness, all in the comfort of butler-attended evenings in 'The Club', that venerable British institution were horrors in human form puke lies at each other, swilling French cognac and smoking Cuban cigars at the expense of the English tax payers who are forever kept on the level of brutal soccer hoodlums waving the Union Jack and mindlessly howling slogans when not beating someone to a bloody pulp in true British fashion. As time went on, Shawcross began to fear for his own existence, for his precious British club-life which he saw ominously threatened by Soviet communism. Here's what happened;

      In a speech on March 16 1984, 38 years after the mass murders on the German government had been committed under amongst others, his auspices at Nurmberg, he said:

Step by step, I have arrived at the conviction that the aims of Communism in Europe are sinister and fatal.

(This is exactly what Adolf Hitler had stated as early as 1923! It took this British son of a bitch until 1984 to realize the same thing! It required the total absolute destruction of the greatest nation in Europe, Germany and the mass murder , under the most unbelievably brutal conditions of practically 25% of the German population for this rotten bastard to realize this basic truism!)

At the Nurnberg trials, I, together with my Russian colleagues condemned Nazi agression and terror.

(This bastard talks about 'Russian colleagues' and about Nazi aggression and terror, knowing fully well that the Nazi's 'aggression' was no more than normal and justified defense and that their 'terror' couldn't hold a candle to the terror he and his goddamned nation had wrought.)

I believe now that Hitler and the German people did not want war.

(No shit, Jack? Why didn't you bastard read the diplomatic dispatches Hitler kept on sending to your corrupt government? Why didn't you pay attention to who said what to whom? And who actually did what he said and promised?

But we (England) declared war on Germany, intent on destroying it, in accordance with our principle of Balance of Power and we were encouraged by the 'Americans' around Roosevelt.

(I hate to repeat myself, but again, No shit, Jack? It took you no good son of a bitch until 1984 to realize England declared war, despite Hitler's quasi desperate pleadings for peace? You could have read that little tidbit of information in your own encyclopedia, you stupid bastard! It took you until 1984 to realize Germany wanted peace, after dozens of diplomatic dispatches to every government in Europe throughout the 1930's proclaimed exactly that?, after years and years of sincere efforts by the Hitler government? Where the hell were you, you Eton-faggott? were you asleep inside of a Jews colon like the rest of your degenerate nation?

You were encouraged by "AMERICANS" around Roosevelt? How about by Jews, you son of a bitch?, don't you have the minimum amount of courage necessary at this late stage in your life to call Jews Jews? You British mass-murderer know damn well you are puking about JEWS!)

We ignored Hitler's pleadings not to enter into war.

(See the above commentary)

Now we are forced to realize Hitler was right.

(and this stupid ass was the British top dog in the legal profession!)

He offered us the co-operation of Germany; instead since 1945 we have been facing the immense power of the Soviet empire. I feel ashamed and humiliated to see the aims we accused Hitler of, are being relentlessly pursued now, only under a different label.

(Well, well now. After a totally unjustified slaughter of my nation this pig in human form feels 'ashamed and humiliated', not because of the race-traitorous character of his country, but because the commies fooled him, or so he claims. No Shawcross, no one fooled you. You and your whiskey-soaked British faggotts at #10 Downing Street knew all along. You are degenerates, you are the filth of the western world, you are worse than the Jews and that is saying something! As Savitri Devi has stated, you and your filthy governments can't hold a candle to Hitler, because you can't even say a pitiful "I am sorry" after you realize your degeneracy, your dishonesty, your moral bankruptcy. Shawcross, I for one hope you and your 'colleagues' burn and roast in a special corner of Dante's Inferno)

1) It's not that this bastard ever thought of the horrible immorality of what he had done.

2) Or that he ever considered making a clean sweep and saying something to the effect that he was truly sorry for his actions.

3) Or that he exonerated his innocent victims, restoring to them some semblance of honor. Heavens no. Nothing like that.

4) Or that he exonerated the German nation (even though, in a way he did, but then again he didn't really do it being typically lawyeresque and vague)

5) For that he lacked the courage, he lacked the backbone, he lacked the humanity he lacked the decency. After all, he was a British judge, 'nuff said.

You see, that is what infuriates me about all of these bastards who seemingly come clean, Finkelstein, Shahak, Sack, Chomsky or this British bastard Shawcross. When push comes to shove, all of them stop short of saying:

"We were wrong. The history books lie. The way the world has been indoctrinated is untruthful. The Holocaust is really the Holohoax and it's high time we apologize for the massive injustice done to Germany."

None of them admit it. None. What they all do say, is common knowledge to well-informed people who have been seeking the truth and it is only those people who read their stuff and comment on it, while at the same time the same old tired lies are amplified, are even more wildly exaggerated in the movies, educational text books, churches, synagogues and other indoctrination centers. You see, it doesn't matter what these 'scholars' write.

"Hate-Germany", "Holocaust this, that or the other", "Hitler-this, that or the other", continue unabated and all those 'honest' Finkelsteins of the world grin disdainfully and collect their monstrous blood-money in undeserved Holohoax checks. What I said about Shawcross as it relates to Dante's Inferno holds true for all these monstrously dishonest degenerates.



Wow, now that was a mouthful!
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2012, 05:35:17 AM »
I think it's an oversimplification to say Greco-Roman culture was all good & Christianity was all bad.  Plato/Pythagoras were good; Aristotle was bad...humanity & science vs oligarch principle.  While I share the suspicion of Christianity being a jewish plot to weaken whites, perhaps that plan backfired somewhat.  If I'm not mistaken Rome was already degenerating under her bloated empire before adopting Christianity.  German & France did better IIRC while operating under Christianity than under jewish "secularism" (ie Napoleon/French Revolution & Weimar).  Much of the supposed faults of Christianity (ie causing "Dark Ages") are due to corruption, ignorance etc & not intrinsic faults of Christianity.

Christianity had the positive effect of unifying the various European tribes and offered stability even though it set back human progress of the mind.
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« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2012, 08:06:45 AM »
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Did you know that one of the 'jewels' in Philadelphia was Germantown and that this area, after the Germans left has deteriorated into a cesspool?

This guy nuts...Germantown, Mt Airy & Chestnut Hill are all beautiful residential and historical areas with small pockets of low class Blacks and associated kulture.

There is more extensive green park space adjacent to these areas than anywhere in the city.

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« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2012, 08:25:56 AM »
Christianity had the positive effect of unifying the various European tribes and offered stability even though it set back human progress of the mind.
Buddy, you way off base with part 2...

The Church, except for some reactionary elements was the civilizing element in Europe and promoted the expansion of human knowledge ...Perhaps you have never heard of Aquinas and many others...Walt Disney has written extensively on this and documented this...The Church respected the contribution of the Greeks and Romans.

The alternative was Muslim law, Talmudic law or Germanic paganism entailing worship of Thor, Wotan or the sun and the moon.

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« Reply #46 on: April 16, 2012, 10:06:32 AM »
...Germantown, Mt Airy & Chestnut Hill are all beautiful residential and historical areas with small pockets of low class Blacks and associated kulture.

There is more extensive green park space adjacent to these areas than anywhere in the city.

I agree. The heyday of Germantown development was primarily 120-100 years ago with many, many single family mansions. When the depression hit the mansions were abandoned (by Whites) and those that weren’t left to rot where turned into retirement homes, apartments, schools or put to some other use – if repairs and maintenance weren’t too costly, otherwise they just sat deteriorating for half a century. Many of the smaller houses were abandoned then too – I say smaller but we’re still talking about 2,400+ sq ft duplexes (twins). The decline of the neighborhood had nothing to do with the future inhabitants who tried, and eventually succeeded at restoring it, it just took 50 years or so. I was always surprised how you could be on a really bad, ghetto looking street with half of the row houses abandoned and the next block over were beautiful huge, well-maintained houses. Today, many of those mansions and huge houses are again single family residents own by prosperous Blacks.

It was not unlike today’s real estate debacle where there are whole towns of brand new homes and stores throughout Florida (among other places) that have become ghost towns overgrown with weeds.

Most of Mt Airy was built in the late 30s-50s and didn’t suffer the real estate bust of the depression. The neighborhoods are primarily Black and very well kept.

Chestnut hill has always been nice.
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« Reply #47 on: April 16, 2012, 11:29:38 AM »
This guy nuts...Germantown, Mt Airy & Chestnut Hill are all beautiful residential and historical areas with small pockets of low class Blacks and associated kulture.

There is more extensive green park space adjacent to these areas than anywhere in the city.

Frank, he is not nuts, he is angry about the lies and deceptions. Where were you when WWII broke out? 

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Germantown, Mt Airy & Chestnut Hill are all beautiful ...

I agree. The heyday of Germantown development ... etc...

p.s. I agree entirely with the rest of the article and do NOT think the guy is nuts. He just blew it on the Germantown thing.
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« Reply #49 on: April 16, 2012, 07:31:51 PM »
Buddy, you way off base with part 2...

The Church, except for some reactionary elements was the civilizing element in Europe and promoted the expansion of human knowledge ...Perhaps you have never heard of Aquinas and many others...Walt Disney has written extensively on this and documented this...The Church respected the contribution of the Greeks and Romans.

The alternative was Muslim law, Talmudic law or Germanic paganism entailing worship of Thor, Wotan or the sun and the moon.

Heh, tv's (jewish) Family Guy show blatantly claimed that without the supposed baleful effect of Christianity we'd be living like the Jetsons.  But to me speculating on what could have developed is almost pointless, who knows what sort of alternative religion or gov't would have evolved in Europe?  As for Jesus himself IIRC he didn't lecture much on science or education either pro or con.

BTW when I saw mention of Germantown & Mt Airy it threw me for a moment since Maryland also has towns of that name.

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« Reply #50 on: April 16, 2012, 07:40:02 PM »
Heh, tv's (jewish) Family Guy show blatantly claimed that without the supposed baleful effect of Christianity we'd be living like the Jetsons.  But to me speculating on what could have developed is almost pointless, who knows what sort of alternative religion or gov't would have evolved in Europe?  As for Jesus himself IIRC he didn't lecture much on science or education either pro or con.


The Romans were big on plumbing infrastructure. I'm sure we would had indoor flushable toilets 1,600 years ago. To put this perspective, the first indoor toilet at the WH was installed around 1850.

Yes, public sanitation is a big deal.
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« Reply #51 on: April 16, 2012, 08:04:55 PM »
The Romans were big on plumbing infrastructure. I'm sure we would had indoor flushable toilets 1,600 years ago. To put this perspective, the first indoor toilet at the WH was installed around 1850.

Yes, public sanitation is a big deal.

Romans did some great things for sure.  I saw a tv show about the sewage problems in London & Paris; can't remember exact dates but it was pretty awful before mid-1800's.  OTOH Rome was devastated by the 64 AD fire.  Also it was "mostly the wealthy" (Wiki) that had houses connected to sewers.

Of course Rome was hardly free from religion; I once read a book that claimed their calendar had become so infested with religious/gov't holidays that basically 1/3 of days had some sort of holiday, interfering with work, commerce etc.

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« Reply #52 on: April 16, 2012, 09:02:54 PM »
Buddy, you way off base with part 2...

The Church, except for some reactionary elements was the civilizing element in Europe and promoted the expansion of human knowledge ...Perhaps you have never heard of Aquinas and many others...Walt Disney has written extensively on this and documented this...The Church respected the contribution of the Greeks and Romans.

The alternative was Muslim law, Talmudic law or Germanic paganism entailing worship of Thor, Wotan or the sun and the moon.

I can see how the Church was a 'civilizing element', but I'm a bit leary about its contribution to the expansion of human knowledge (I do admit that my knowledge of history is a bit on the deficient side);  some people blame the Church for the Dark Ages, claiming that the Church promoted religious superstition (articles of faith) while discouraging 'scientific' inquiry into nature that would have promoted the advancement of human knowledge.   It would strike me as strange to label the Church's treatment of Galileo as a 'reactionary exception'. 

I've also been told that the Catholic Church actively DISCOURAGED the flock from reading the Bible, and conducted worship services in Latin so that people didn't even know what was being said.  I never thought about it before, but I presume that the Church wasn't exactly thrilled when the GERMAN  Gutenberg invented the printing press.

Could it be that the Church tried to prohibit the expansion of human secular knowledge as long as it was possible, but threw in the towel after losing the struggle...and suddenly dashed to the front and took an active role in promoting education (so it could retain a degree of control over the minds of the people)?  Certainly in modern times people have and do send their children to Catholic schools for superior education.

Regarding the Christian faith...it would be interesting to read a research paper prepared by an anthropologist, comparing it to a religion whose deities are 'Thor, Wotan or the sun and the moon' to see which belief system produced the more humane and happy and productive people.  Somehow I have a hard time believing that a religion of heeeebroo origin is more conducive to human happiness on this earth than one of gentile (i.e., 'pagan') origin.

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« Reply #53 on: April 16, 2012, 09:08:21 PM »
Romans did some great things for sure.  I saw a tv show about the sewage problems in London & Paris; can't remember exact dates but it was pretty awful before mid-1800's.  OTOH Rome was devastated by the 64 AD fire.  Also it was "mostly the wealthy" (Wiki) that had houses connected to sewers.

Of course Rome was hardly free from religion; I once read a book that claimed their calendar had become so infested with religious/gov't holidays that basically 1/3 of days had some sort of holiday, interfering with work, commerce etc.


Plumbing, gears, and all sorts of devices that were lost forever. I have no doubt things were set-back 1,500, or at least 1,000 years.

And this...

Antikythera mechanism

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism


The Antikythera mechanism (main fragment)

The Antikythera mechanism (play /ˌæntɨkɨˈθɪərə/ ANT-i-ki-THEER-ə or /ˌæntɨˈkɪθərə/ ANT-i-KITH-ə-rə) is an ancient mechanical computer[1][2] designed to calculate astronomical positions. It was recovered in 1900–1901 from the Antikythera wreck.[3] Its significance and complexity were not understood until decades later. The construction has been dated to the early 1st century BC. Technological artifacts of similar complexity and workmanship did not reappear until the 14th century, when mechanical astronomical clocks were built in Europe.[4]

Jacques-Yves Cousteau visited the wreck for the last time in 1978,[5] but found no additional remains of the Antikythera mechanism. Professor Michael Edmunds of Cardiff University who led the most recent study of the mechanism said: "This device is just extraordinary, the only thing of its kind. The design is beautiful, the astronomy is exactly right. The way the mechanics are designed just makes your jaw drop. Whoever has done this has done it extremely carefully ... in terms of historic and scarcity value, I have to regard this mechanism as being more valuable than the Mona Lisa."[6][7]

The device is displayed at the National Archaeological Museum of Athens, accompanied by a reconstruction made and donated to the museum by Derek de Solla Price. Other reconstructions are on display at the American Computer Museum in Bozeman, Montana, the Children's Museum of Manhattan in New York, and in Kassel, Germany.



So what did the mechanism do? Well, Wikipedia has this to say about it:
“The Antikythera mechanism (pronounced AN-ti-ki-THEER-ə), is an ancient mechanical calculator (also described as the first known mechanical computer) designed to calculate astronomical positions. It was recovered in 1900–01 from the Antikythera wreck, but its complexity and significance were not understood until decades later. It is now thought to have been built about 150–100 BC. Technological artifacts of similar complexity did not reappear until the 14th century, when mechanical astronomical clocks appeared in Europe.”

Basically, you could use this device to figure out where the planets, moon etc would be for a given time in the future.
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« Reply #54 on: April 16, 2012, 10:20:02 PM »
I can see how the Church was a 'civilizing element', but I'm a bit leary about its contribution to the expansion of human knowledge (I do admit that my knowledge of history is a bit on the deficient side);  some people blame the Church for the Dark Ages, claiming that the Church promoted religious superstition (articles of faith) while discouraging 'scientific' inquiry into nature that would have promoted the advancement of human knowledge.   It would strike me as strange to label the Church's treatment of Galileo as a 'reactionary exception'. 

I've also been told that the Catholic Church actively DISCOURAGED the flock from reading the Bible, and conducted worship services in Latin so that people didn't even know what was being said.  I never thought about it before, but I presume that the Church wasn't exactly thrilled when the GERMAN  Gutenberg invented the printing press.

Could it be that the Church tried to prohibit the expansion of human secular knowledge as long as it was possible, but threw in the towel after losing the struggle...and suddenly dashed to the front and took an active role in promoting education (so it could retain a degree of control over the minds of the people)?  Certainly in modern times people have and do send their children to Catholic schools for superior education.

Regarding the Christian faith...it would be interesting to read a research paper prepared by an anthropologist, comparing it to a religion whose deities are 'Thor, Wotan or the sun and the moon' to see which belief system produced the more humane and happy and productive people.  Somehow I have a hard time believing that a religion of heeeebroo origin is more conducive to human happiness on this earth than one of gentile (i.e., 'pagan') origin.

I agree there were good things and bad things, and over a couple of thousand years Christianity had its ups and downs. It choked-off scientific and technological innovation, but it unified the tribes of Europe and kept Jews, Muslims, Buddists, Hindus, and others out -- it was pretty much impossible for anyone other than a Christian to move into a town get married, set-up shop, and start a new life. Of course there were some exceptions, such as the city sates of Italy and 17th Century Holland. For the most part, Jews in Europe of the last thousand years is a history of them being asked to leave to leave town.

A lot good what if questions and I think about them, and ponder the what if's too. But right now I'm thinking about how in our time censorship, regulations, rules, and laws are leading us to another dark age.
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« Reply #55 on: April 16, 2012, 11:42:55 PM »

Plumbing, gears, and all sorts of devices that were lost forever. I have no doubt things were set-back 1,500, or at least 1,000 years.

And this...

Antikythera mechanism

That is awesome; LaRouche often refers to ancient Greeks as essential fathers of progressiveness.  Romans had engineering skill yet how much did they actually invent themselves?  Irrigation, roads, bridges, flush toilets weren't new; Rome just had the money to put their knowledge into practice.  But Rome destroyed itself!

& when you talk about things being set back a thousand years that smacks of Marxist/British determinism.  Progress or decline can happen quickly; in the millennial timescale bits of progress can be lost in the overall trends. 

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But right now I'm thinking about how in our time censorship, regulations, rules, and laws are leading us to another dark age.

We're in the zero-progress age, other than computers which took little investment re infrastructure.  Most things in daily life are the same old crap...highways, trains, rockets, nuclear plants based on 1950 tech.  No real qualitative jump for decades.

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« Reply #56 on: April 17, 2012, 05:25:40 AM »
I agree there were good things and bad things, and over a couple of thousand years Christianity had its ups and downs. It choked-off scientific and technological innovation, but it unified the tribes of Europe and kept Jews, Muslims, Buddists, Hindus, and others out -- it was pretty much impossible for anyone other than a Christian to move into a town get married, set-up shop, and start a new life.

We talk about how history lies to us, maybe the whole is history is a lie as well.  Especially when it comes to religion.  Even fairly recent history, where we are taught that America was founded by Pilgrims and Quakers and people who were seeking religious freedom.  It makes more sense to me that the new world was just at some point apportioned off to the ruling class, and they used a variety of brutal techniques to bring over poor white slaves (and blacks) to work the land.  History books say those people came here on their own free will, but probably not.  The bigger the thing, the more likely it is a lie.

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« Reply #57 on: April 17, 2012, 06:59:09 AM »
We talk about how history lies to us, maybe the whole is history is a lie as well. 
Maybe not the WHOLE, but it just stands to reason that whoever decides what ideas and texts are sanctioned as 'official' history...may not have historical accuracy as his number one priority.  I like your approach of taking the liberty of dismissing implausible aspects of the STORY and constructing (without taking undue liberty) a more plausible version.  I mean, we find many examples of faulty reporting of current events (such as 9/11);  inserting them into the historical account obviously doesn't change that status.

Especially when it comes to religion. 
Absolutely especially, as religion begins and ends with fiction (except our own, of course).

Even fairly recent history, where we are taught that America was founded by Pilgrims and Quakers and people who were seeking religious freedom.  It makes more sense to me that the new world was just at some point apportioned off to the ruling class, and they used a variety of brutal techniques to bring over poor white slaves (and blacks) to work the land. 
The genius of America was/is persuading the slaves that they weren't/aren't such ('the best slave is the one who thinks he's free').  We Americans 'rule ourselves' via the ballot box don'tcha know;  how could we possibly be slaves???
History books say those people came here on their own free will, but probably not.  The bigger the thing, the more likely it is a lie.

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Greeks Embrace German Thrift

A Commentary by Georgios Christidis   04/16/2012

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Greeks used to make fun of German frugality, preferring the example of Hellenic luxury over Germanic thrift. Increasingly, however, they are now embracing Teutonic austerity, and even enjoying the experience.   

For all the hullabaloo and vehement rejection by many of my compatriots of what is considered the "Germanification of Greece" (under the pretense of saving the country from bankruptcy), Greeks are showing increasing signs of not only becoming more like the Germans, but also of enjoying the transformation.


There is not a single Greek who hasn't poked fun at the archetypal German shopper, who, as the anecdote goes, visits his local supermarket and buys one slice of watermelon and exactly four tomatoes. In pre-crisis Greece, such behavior, especially in food shopping, would be frowned upon and considered a source of great embarrassment. The average Greek would go out of his way to avoid demonstrating any kind of thrift, even in the cases of households where four tomatoes would make much more sense than two kilos of tomatoes that may ultimately end up in the garbage.

Since the early 80s, Greeks were conditioned to favor as a role model the luxurious living of the ancient Sybarites of Magna Graecia over the Germanic lifestyle of the ancient Spartans: an apparent hallmark of progress which signalled an end to the deprivation that had been the hallmark of long stretches of modern Greek history.

Consumption became the major source of self-esteem for Greeks, who were spurred on by the expansionary policies of socialist leader Andreas Papandreou. He famously doubled the salaries of public employees after being elected. The trend continued with inflows of EU cohesion funds, which intensified the global economic boom of the 90s.

Greek National Identity

The development culminated during the first decade of the twenty-first century, when cheap credit flooded Greece after the introduction of the euro and led to such banking products as those now nostalgically remembered by credit starved Greeks as "sea-loans" (i.e. private loans to pay for fancy vacations). Spending had become part of our national identity -- and the major pillar of an economy that owed its "economic miracle" to private and public consumption.

How times have changed. Consumption was thrown off its pedestal by the crisis, with Greeks increasingly subscribing to the value of Germanic thrift. According to recent polls, more than eight out of 10 Greeks have cut down their private spending and turned to cheaper products. Taverns are empty on Saturday nights, more and more people have started using wood for heating, car sales have dwindled dramatically and cafeterias, bars and restaurants that used to charge astronomical prices (€6 for a cup of coffee) are now offering "happy hours," periods of reduced prices and other incentives to lure customers.

It is no coincidence that one of the most successful commercials currently on Greek TV (ironically by the German retailer Media Markt) uses the following catchphrase: "There is a such thing as a free lunch."

One could counter that for hundreds of thousands of Greeks, the unemployed, the poor, the ones who have been devastated by the crisis, cutting back on spending is a necessary evil rather than a sign of transformed mentality. But conspicuous consumption is currently rejected even by those Greeks who are still in a position to spend. To them, heavy consumption is -- to paraphrase Talleyrand's disapproving remark on the execution of the Duke of Enghien -- worse than a mistake: it is a faux pas.

Queuing Outside Discount Stores

Nowadays, people who make purchases they would have gloated about to friends and relatives back in the pre-crisis era, go to great lengths to explain their sin, usually by downplaying the cost ("I got this new flat-screen TV with a 50 percent discount and a bonus toaster!"). It is also increasingly considered a cardinal sin to buy fancy things (I know of someone who hides his recently purchased iMac computer whenever he is expecting visitors).

Middle-class people have no problem queuing outside discount stores they would not have deigned to give a second look pre-crisis, and I recently saw a well-dressed man feeling quite comfortable with two sacks of potatoes on his shoulders -- one of the many Greeks enjoying the dramatic drop in the price of the vegetable after producers and consumers decided to get rid of middlemen in what Greeks now call "the potato movement."

People also take a sense of pride in demonstrating to others how the crisis has affected them, and many social gatherings in Greece would now remind filmgoers of a memorable scene from Richard Curtis's Notting Hill, in which the protagonists are having a "misery contest" over dinner, with the one producing the saddest act winning the prize of the last brownie.

'Flatline Spending'


So the German-inspired troika treatment might have been ineffective in salvaging the wreckage of the Greek economy, but it has been more influential on our mentality.

I vividly remember my discussion with a German minister in Berlin a year ago. When I suggested that perhaps Germany should take measures to stimulate private consumption in order to boost the economies of the periphery, he told me that such an effort would be futile.

"Even if you raise the salaries of the Germans, their private spending will remain a flatline," he explained. One would be inclined to wonder what will happen to Europe if its population of spenders is decimated and only producers survive. Who will play the part of the consumer? Here's hoping the Chinese will keep up their love of Mercedes and BMWs and can overcome their lactose intolerance to become diehard fans of feta cheese.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,827737,00.html

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« Reply #59 on: April 17, 2012, 06:31:35 PM »
We talk about how history lies to us, maybe the whole is history is a lie as well.  Especially when it comes to religion.  Even fairly recent history, where we are taught that America was founded by Pilgrims and Quakers and people who were seeking religious freedom.  It makes more sense to me that the new world was just at some point apportioned off to the ruling class, and they used a variety of brutal techniques to bring over poor white slaves (and blacks) to work the land. History books say those people came here on their own free will, but probably not.  The bigger the thing, the more likely it is a lie.

Well... it was a business. The Pilgrims borrowed money and probably every other group too. Later came the black slaves and the Irish indentured servants.

Is history a lie? If can't even talk about 9/11 or happened during WWII then all of history becomes a belief system. So after this, we can begin to study why the myths that were created and ask what purpose they serve. And it's not easy, we can't even make head or tails of 9/11 beyond the Jews did it.
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