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« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2012, 05:22:43 PM »
One can only wonder what was stolen from the Baghdad museum in 2003 and never returned...


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« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2012, 05:45:47 PM »
One can only wonder what was stolen from the Baghdad museum in 2003 and never returned...

Or egypt recently.
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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2012, 06:04:12 PM »
Or egypt recently.

I remember my father talking about Goy insurance companies in the 1920s. My father bought an apartment building from my uncle, paid $25 million, and Seymour Silverberg appraised it at $50 million.

Anyway, my dad walks into Global Christian Insurance company, and they laughed in his face. They said it was an abandoned slum, and not worth $25,000. They called my father a "Typical conniving Sheeny" out to collect on 'Jewish lightening'.

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« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2012, 06:07:23 PM »
I remember my father talking about Goy insurance companies in the 1920s. My father bought an apartment building from my uncle, paid $25 million, and Seymour Silverberg appraised it at $50 million.

Anyway, my dad walks into Global Christian Insurance company, and they laughed in his face. They said it was an abandoned slum, and not worth $25,000. They called my father a "Typical conniving Sheeny" out to collect on 'Jewish lightening'.

A jew judge would be more fair.
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« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2012, 06:34:41 PM »
In the good old days there were the gods. The idea of a religion did not exist. There was no word for it until about the 4th AD. True god stories as in doctrines and such did not exist. They did not think like we do. Nor can we think like them. We can only exclude suggestions which require them to have thought like us.

There were stories about gods. Because there was no doctrine there were no correct or incorrect stories. There was no problem with improving local stories by borrowing from stories of other gods. In addition the Aryan type of gods seems to have followed the Aryan language group. So they started from a common denominator.

All of this leads to: it would be surprising if gods from different cultures in this group were entirely different and shared nothing. That they are similar and share stories and such is exactly what we would expect to find.

It is what we expect because they did not have the ideas of religion and doctrine as we do and because all the people with these kinds of gods had the same origin. Ur was their oldest city that we know of. The earliest people of the Indus Valley were replaced by them. The jury is still out on Golbekii Tepe.

Yep, it evolved. Up until the American Revolution or so religion and government were one; that stage of evolution began with Henry the VIII and Luther.

What we call religion today was used by rulers as an instrument to rule by instilling fear in subjects. Today our rulers use other instruments such as AIDS, terrorism, nuclear bombs, stray asteroids, global warming, and such.



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« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2012, 06:44:46 PM »
A jew judge would be more fair.

Being called a conniving sheeny was hurtful. That would been one hell of a jackpot if those dumb goys would have written the insurance policy on dad's slum. $50 million in 1922 was big money. My uncle use to go to department stores and do the 'Slip and fall' routine, but it was chump change.

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« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2012, 06:48:51 AM »
Being called a conniving sheeny was hurtful. That would been one hell of a jackpot if those dumb goys would have written the insurance policy on dad's slum. $50 million in 1922 was big money. My uncle use to go to department stores and do the 'Slip and fall' routine, but it was chump change.

Jews don't need to pull things like that.  Just follow the program and do what the smarter jews do with the inside information.  For instance, buy facebook at 38 per share, watch it go up to 42 when the pension managers (jews) buy in, than sell off and have the underwriters (jews using pension funds) provide the necessary funding to keep it at 38, than repeat the cycle.
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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2012, 06:53:43 AM »
Jews don't need to pull things like that.  Just follow the program and do what the smarter jews do with the inside information.  For instance, buy facebook at 38 per share, watch it go up to 42 when the pension managers (jews) buy in, than sell off and have the underwriters (jews using pension funds) provide the necessary funding to keep it at 38, than repeat the cycle.

I heard that Jewish people control the internet porno trade. Is that true?

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« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2012, 09:38:09 AM »
I heard that Jewish people control the internet porno trade. Is that true?

That's nothing compared to modern medicine.  You're in your prime of life, doing well, feeling great, but it's time for your annual check up.  They run a series of tests, diagnose kidney cancer, remove both, do the same to somebody else, then transplant one of his into you and one of yours into him, put you on powerful drugs for a couple years until you die penniless.  They laugh at how easy it is. 
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« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2012, 12:32:14 PM »
Diverse disconnected ancient cultures share common stories (e.g., gods, visitors, great flood, etc.).  Remnants of ancient structures still exist without academic explanation.  The alternative explanation comes together easily.

What is not explained by the common origin and nearness and interactions of the people in that part of the world?

What is this alternate explanation and how does it explain more facts?
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« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2012, 12:58:50 PM »
One can only wonder what was stolen from the Baghdad museum in 2003 and never returned...

Very little of serious interest. The vaults were never broached. What was on display was immediately put in the customs watchlists of countries around the world. Most of it has been accounted for including the stolen replicas that were on display.

The fact of life is that at maybe one in a hundred archaeologists makes one find of major significance in his life.

All the rest of archaeological finds are slow and careful detail work done in the hot summer sun and the significance if any is discovered by grad students back home.

The reality is not Indiana Jones. The reality is diggers in dusty lands with whisk brooms and sieves. The knowledge of the physical context in which an object is found is almost all of the value of anything found.

Consider the opening scene of the first Indiana Jones. He removes an artifact from context taking away most of its value. The context is the elaborate protection system for the object. We would learn orders of magnitude more about the people by studying the protection system than could possibly be learned from one stinking idol.
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« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2012, 05:27:42 PM »
What is not explained by the common origin and nearness and interactions of the people in that part of the world?

What is this alternate explanation and how does it explain more facts?

The alternative to the story that some old exiled jew met god in a tent and called jews "chosen", is that jews filled the void vacated by the gods with conjured up bullshit.
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« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2012, 11:29:00 PM »
The alternative to the story that some old exiled jew met god in a tent and called jews "chosen", is that jews filled the void vacated by the gods with conjured up bullshit.

That is imagination. How about two jews and an Assyrian around a camp fire? Two Jews, a Hittite and one Assyrian in a brothel?

Before I got to this current version I explored every suggested reconciliation of the old testament and physical evidence. I did spend time in hell essentially exhausting every possible variation. This isn't so that is the wrong way to describe it but I spent significant time over two decades to the the specific issue of how could the Old Testament exist.

After this exercise the only explanation that made sense what the Septuagint was the original. With that the date of the forgery and the appearance of the Yahweh cult both coincide with the Maccabe civil war. Researching that I came across Josephus recounting it as a proxy war between the Ptolemys and Seleucids made Judea an ancient Vietnam between the US and USSR. At that point everything fell into place. In fact I was actually predicting the proxy war before I actually found the report of it as a proxy war.

So on one hand I might have believers begging the question how could Jews know about Ur if it were not their history and on the other I have how could the Greeks in Alexandria with their library not know about Ur?

I view it as a scientific theory. A scientific theory is merely one that explains facts. The more facts it explains the better the theory. A scientific theory is neutral on the facts themselves. Of course it is not simple bean counting. One does not multiply trivial facts to increase the count. It is a matter of important and critical facts.

For example, Judea did not have a literate culture until the 2nd c. BC so it could not have been written in Judea before then so its first appearance is in Greek. So where was the Greek written? A newly literate culture does not have records, period. Therefore it was written some place else.

Like the idea of saying Jesus might be Amun. Yahweh has the characteristics of Amun down to making people out of clay but the Egyptian dead and reborn god is Osiris.
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« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2012, 06:42:14 AM »
That is imagination. How about two jews and an Assyrian around a camp fire? Two Jews, a Hittite and one Assyrian in a brothel?

Before I got to this current version I explored every suggested reconciliation of the old testament and physical evidence. I did spend time in hell essentially exhausting every possible variation. This isn't so that is the wrong way to describe it but I spent significant time over two decades to the the specific issue of how could the Old Testament exist.

After this exercise the only explanation that made sense what the Septuagint was the original. With that the date of the forgery and the appearance of the Yahweh cult both coincide with the Maccabe civil war. Researching that I came across Josephus recounting it as a proxy war between the Ptolemys and Seleucids made Judea an ancient Vietnam between the US and USSR. At that point everything fell into place. In fact I was actually predicting the proxy war before I actually found the report of it as a proxy war.

So on one hand I might have believers begging the question how could Jews know about Ur if it were not their history and on the other I have how could the Greeks in Alexandria with their library not know about Ur?

I view it as a scientific theory. A scientific theory is merely one that explains facts. The more facts it explains the better the theory. A scientific theory is neutral on the facts themselves. Of course it is not simple bean counting. One does not multiply trivial facts to increase the count. It is a matter of important and critical facts.

For example, Judea did not have a literate culture until the 2nd c. BC so it could not have been written in Judea before then so its first appearance is in Greek. So where was the Greek written? A newly literate culture does not have records, period. Therefore it was written some place else.

Like the idea of saying Jesus might be Amun. Yahweh has the characteristics of Amun down to making people out of clay but the Egyptian dead and reborn god is Osiris.

I'm not up to speed on the finer details.  But I see the great ancient civilizations falling into disarray due to a void of political leadership that occurred about the time when all references to "the gods" as real physical beings was replaced with 1) icons, 2) dream gods, 3) yahwah.  Of course the kingships remained behind, but without the gods behind them, they became more and more like the royals of today (just rich and connected, nothing special).  It was in this setting that jews learned how to work us, and "religion" was born.  Later jews expanded into publishing, then movies, which are basically just modern forms of religion.  Yahwah was their first big trick on us.   
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« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2012, 08:46:52 AM »
The fact of life is that at maybe one in a hundred archaeologists makes one find of major significance in his life.

All the rest of archaeological finds are slow and careful detail work done in the hot summer sun and the significance if any is discovered by grad students back home.

The reality is not Indiana Jones. The reality is diggers in dusty lands with whisk brooms and sieves. The knowledge of the physical context in which an object is found is almost all of the value of anything found.

Great points, for me though the big appeal of archaeology is being immersed in the settings of the ancients. Whether I found something of tremendous value or not, it's not such a big deal as learning about how the society worked. But of course deep down one wouldn't mind having an Indian Jones experience just to have their name published.

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« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2012, 09:45:26 AM »
Hadn't noticed your response until now.

"I’m not disagreeing or arguing, but ..."

Please do. It is near impossible to find people able to discuss the ideas and material I use.

I just don't know much about religion but if I see something I disagree with, I'll let you know.

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That reads like you think Satan really exists. There is no evidence for Satan or any god existing. As such speculation is a non sequitur.

I personally don't think there's a devil (Satan, Lucifer, or whatever they're calling him (it) these days). I was merely pointing out that most bible religions seem to think that one does exist. And even though Jews like to boast that they introduced monotheism to the world, since they (along with most Christians) seem to think that there is a devil (evil puppet-master), then that would indicate to me that those religions are polytheistic.
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« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2012, 09:52:00 AM »
But of course deep down one wouldn't mind having an Indian Jones experience just to have their name published.

"Vanity, vanity. All is vanity." - from, somewhere in the Bilbe.

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« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2012, 12:43:18 PM »
I'm not up to speed on the finer details.  But I see the great ancient civilizations falling into disarray due to a void of political leadership that occurred about the time when all references to "the gods" as real physical beings was replaced with 1) icons, 2) dream gods, 3) yahwah.  Of course the kingships remained behind, but without the gods behind them, they became more and more like the royals of today (just rich and connected, nothing special).  It was in this setting that jews learned how to work us, and "religion" was born.  Later jews expanded into publishing, then movies, which are basically just modern forms of religion.  Yahwah was their first big trick on us.

About 15 years ago there was a semi-popular idea of civilization collapse in the middle east roughly about the time of the Egyptian New Kingdom. That was shaky at the time and debunked shortly thereafter. It was a combination of ancient x-files and simply not considering all the available information. That the New Kingdom start conveniently matched the "kernel of truth" advocates trying to salvage the OT played no small part in the phenomenon.

As to the gods "failing" all the evidence is of continuity of gods and empires. The only significant political event was Egypt kicking out the Hyksos and replacing them in ruling the eastern Med coast. In the end that is all there was behind the apparent collapse.

The issue of the Jews is there is no evidence of their Yahweh cult into the mid 2nd c. BC. They do not appear until some 1300 years after the imagined collapse they cannot possibly be connected with events before they existed. The Yahweh cult appears as part of military and political conflict between the eastern and egyptian Greek empires.




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« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2012, 12:46:15 PM »
...But of course deep down one wouldn't mind having an Indian Jones experience just to have their name published.

These days Indiana Jones would have his name published because he was arrested for criminal dealing in antiquities.
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« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2012, 12:53:36 PM »
Yep, it evolved. Up until the American Revolution or so religion and government were one; that stage of evolution began with Henry the VIII and Luther.

What we call religion today was used by rulers as an instrument to rule by instilling fear in subjects. Today our rulers use other instruments such as AIDS, terrorism, nuclear bombs, stray asteroids, global warming, and such.

Don't forget Monsanto!!! (from an older article)

Over the 12,000 years that humans have been farming, a rich tradition of seed saving has developed. Men and women choose seeds from the plants that are best adapted to their own locale and trade them within the community, enhancing crop diversity and success rates. All this may change in the next four to five years. Monsanto Corporation has been working to consolidate the world seed market and is now poised to introduce new genetically engineered seeds that will produce only infertile seeds at the end of the farming cycle. Farmers will no longer be able to save seeds from year to year and will be forced to purchase new seeds from Monsanto each year.

And then there are of course these Chemtrails. We do get lots of them here, 99% of the village idiots don't even pay attention.
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