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« on: January 05, 2012, 08:38:17 PM »

Seems HAARP is more prolific than I first suspected, there could be a dozen or more arrays worldwide..

Sorry for negating your info Sushi.

 I have been bombarded with information re HAARP lately and coupled with the CO2 BS, the information from the guidestones, and the fact that HAARP can not only affect the weather but it can cause earthquakes and Tsunamis (therefore volcanic eruptions too) it makes the 500 million all too real.

Maybe it's time to move to higher ground (but stay away from Yellowstone).

Here's the latest video.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/xo-T_KvLNdQ?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/xo-T_KvLNdQ?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US</a>
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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2012, 11:25:50 AM »
Seems HAARP is more prolific than I first suspected, there could be a dozen or more arrays worldwide..

All is well, no need to apologize, in the 'real' world no one will believe it until they see it, one would think. Here, even if one cannot miss it, they are even too blind to see the Chemtrails... Never mind anything beyond that.  :-\

Earthquake Machine Terrorizing the World? – re. HAARP -

Posted on April 10, 2011

Right from the start, there’s been a conspiracy theory that the March 11, 2011 9.0 Japan Earthquake was ‘manmade’…  This is my monster-post looking into it.   [A couple edits were made in week following posting; and an expanded post is in the works - see note at the end.]

Must say: I was surprised when ‘De Standaard’, a generally-more-conservative Dutch-language Belgian newspaper I grew up with, reported, March 14: “Was earthquake artificially created?” (See “Werd aardbeving kunstmatig opgewekt?“ which they have made subscriber-only-accessible since.).



This, and many others articles like it, mentioned the pre-quake “strange clouds” and the emerging theory that the quake was ’caused by HAARP’, the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program [<-- links to Wikipedia] in Alaska, USA.  Pretty much anytime there’s a big earthquake, this conspiracy theory swiftly returns…  Sad to say, but apparently, there’s actually a valid reason for this: reportedly before many unusually strong quakes, HAARP was active, as can be see on its public magnetometer data records (example below). one of HAARP’s instruments, the magnetometer measured spikes in activity, which often means its ionosphere charger got fired up.  (example of such data, see below).

Peculiar in this regard is that Jeff Rense‘s website (see his Japan posts HERE), usually the-place-to-be for anything off-the-wall (fear-mongering, conspiracy wackiness and real gems of unusual news and opinions alike), in fact strangely DIDN’T run “Japan Earthquake caused by HAARP” stories, whatsoever, actually… So strangely, in fact, that this in itself lead to (of course) conspiracy theories:  http://labvirus.wordpress.com/2011/03/14/darpa-shill-jeff-rense-refutes-haarp-japan-correlation/

I’m bringing this HAARP conspiracy up because

1) It keeps being raised by people I meet (most are visitors from all over the world to this fancy ski town, Park City – Utah, which I currently call home), and 

2) While enjoying a cup of coffee at a Park Ave’s Starbucks, I read this (April 9) NY Times article, Aftershock Unnerves a Japan on the Edge, which ended with the sentence [my emphasis added]: “Matsuko Ito, 64, said she screamed when the violent shaking woke her up around 11:30 p.m. She said she was not sure she could take much more. “It’s enough,” she said while smoking a cigarette outside the shelter where she has been living in the small northeastern city of Natori. “Something has changed. The world feels strange now. Even the way the clouds move isn’t right.” (The more interesting stuff in newspaper articles is often towards the end.)  Interesting last line. It got me wondering, because unusual atmospheric phenomena have been noticed just prior to many big earthquakes.

This conspiracy theory still hasn’t exposed itself as total bull$h^t yet, so… I went a-digg’n… and found it seems to boil down to these 4 factors:

1) ‘Earthquake Lights‘ and ‘Stratocumulus Clouds‘ have been observed just before and during intense earthquakes for centuries.

2) The extraordinary visionary inventor and engineer Nikola Tesla (1856-1943) did extensive research about the ionosphere, and artificially created lightning and earthquakes with electromagnetic oscillators.  Some of his inventions and experiments are still not fully understood, and related research is believed to be conducted mainly in top secret military programs, such as the Strategic Defense Initiative and HAARP.

3) HAARP is jointly run by the Office of Naval Research, the Air Force Research Laboratory, and DARPA, as clearly stated on this US military website: http://www.nrl.navy.mil/research/nrl-review/2004/atmospheric-science-and-technology/kennedy/ The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA, see http://www.darpa.mil/), is all about “maintaining the technological superiority of the U.S. military”.  It is not ‘paranoid nonsense’ that HAARP is not just doing innocent ionosphere research, cause the agencies running it make it crystal clear that is in fact an advanced weapons research facility.  Going by statements made by Nikola Tesla in regards to his research involving the ionosphere and the planet as a capacitor in general, among the possibilities for advanced weapons system developments at HAARP include artificial weather modification, earthquake generation, energetic protective shielding, and possibly localized ionospheric-plasma-discharge weapons

4) And -last but not least- there is the “motive” aspect: the question WHY? would any powerful group do such aweful things; and WHO? would be doing it…  On that vein, the most consistent claims have been made for many years by Tokyo-based journalist and anti-New-World-Order warrior Benjamin Fulford (http://benjaminfulford.net/), who claimed long before the devastating 9.0 quake struck, that Japan was being forced into financial submission by the elusive Illuminati secret society powerhouse, under threat of HAARP-induced earthquakes.  His claims include:

    The 9/11 terrorist attacks were an “inside job” carried out by the US government as a false flag attack to bring about a new imperial mobilization.  (I agree with him on that.  IMO, anyone who still believes the official version clearly never looked into it very deeply.)
    The Pentagon, the oil industry, banking elite, and the pharmaceutical industry suppress inventions including free-energy and anti-gravity technology to maintain power.  (That’s my understanding as well)
    Since 2009, Fulford has stated that the US government, using HAARP has been altering the climate, and using high power microwave energy inducing earthquakes for geopolitical and extortion purposes, including the Asian Tsunami (2004) and earthquakes in Japan (1995), Japan (2007), China (2008), Haiti (2010), Chile (2010), New Zealand (2011), and Japan (2011) and Myanmar (2011).

Some elaboration on these 4 points:

    ATMOSPHERIC PHENOMENA around the time of major earthquakes

The “strange clouds” are clearly (not particularly uncommon) stratocumulus clouds that have been around since time immemorial, have been observed and videotaped right before the Japan and other quakes.  See this YouTube Video example from Japan here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys1txZ-baSkt. (Note that this video was uploaded on Nov 19, 2009, yet is being circulated erroneously all over the HAARP conspiracy world as if it was shot on March 11, 2011.  I’m just showing it here to show the stratocumulus clouds.)  A better example was perhaps the oddly colored clouds seen before the massive Sichuan, China 8.0 quake in May 2008, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1HedE6dlRw&feature=related, of which this is a screenshot:



An interesting experiment, seen in this History Channel documentary on HAARP, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR6O3kJTqaI, makes the point  (first 2 minutes – check it out!) that when the miniature ELF-wave transmitter is turned on, the cloud particles rise to the top of the chamber. Perhaps a similar effects played a part in the formation of the cool-looking stratocumulus clouds observed in Japan on March 11?   Not impossible.

As far as the unusual lights in the atmosphere go, it has been known (rumored since long before HAARP existed, and been confirmed in the 1960s as a factual-yet-unexplained seismic activity related phenomenon) that ‘Earthquake lights‘ are for real.  From Wikipedia  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake_light, my emphasis]:

“Appearance: The lights are reported to appear while an earthquake is occurring, although there are reports of lights before or after earthquakes, such as reports concerning the 1975 Kalapana earthquake.[2] They are reported to have shapes similar to those of the auroras, with a white to bluish hue, but occasionally they have been reported having a wider color spectrum.[1] The luminosity is reported to be visible for several seconds, but has also been reported to last for tens of minutes. Accounts of viewable distance from the epicenter varies, in the 1930 Idu earthquake, lights were reported up to 70 miles from the epicenter.[3] Earthquake lights were reportedly spotted in Tianshui, Gansu, approximately 400 km north-northeast of the earthquakes epicenter.[4] The phenomenon was also observed and caught on film during the 2009 L’Aquila[5] and the 2010 Chile earthquakes[6]. The phenomenon was also reported around the Aimuri Earthquake in New Zealand, that occurred 1 September 1888. The lights were visible in the morning of 1 September in Reefton, and again on the 8th of September.[7]

Theories: Earthquake lights are caused by an unknown mechanism. There are numerous theories as to how and why they occur. One explanation involves intense electric fields created piezoelectrically by tectonic movements of rocks containing quartz.[8] Another possible explanation is local disruption of the Earth’s magnetic field and/or ionosphere in the region of tectonic stress,resulting in the observed glow effects either from ionospheric radiative recombination at lower altitudes and greater atmospheric pressure or as aurora. However, the effect is clearly not pronounced or notably observed at all earthquake events and is yet to be directly experimentally verified.[9]“

TESLA TECHNOLOGY

IF HAARP were to be able to cause earthquakes, how would it do so? To answer that question you have to explore the findings and claims made by Nikola Tesla. I used to be a member of the (no longer active) International Tesla Society in my teens, visited its Tesla Museum in Colorado Springs on my first trip abroad in 1991, build a Tesla Coil when I was 14, and even visited the location of Tesla’s mysterious Wardenclyffe Tower in Shoreham, NY on Long Island in 2008.  The premises of the latter are for sale, last I checked, currently owned by the Belgian photo-chemistry company Afga-Gevaert, whose security directed me to this YouTube video ’cause they’re tired of all the trespass attempts:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHPQq_dxq6U&feature=related.  In short: I’m VERY familiar with anything related to Tesla, so this made for easy digging.

If you’re not yet familiar with his work, check out this well-done (mainstream / Warner Bros) Documentary: “Nikola Tesla, Master of Lightning”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PICxqdd_zvU and this 1982 BBC documentary clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1o70x9iUjg&feature=related

Some basic info about Nikola Tesla is summarized here (and tons of other places online and in books): http://home.earthlink.net/~drestinblack/didyouknow.htm



Nikola Tesla in New York City laboratory.

His Patents, now all easily accessible online, include various relevant ones, such as his No. 787,412 Patent (1905), “ART OF TRANSMITTING ELECTRICAL ENERGY THROUGH THE NATURAL MEDIUMS”:

Continue reading here, there are many links: http://allegedlyapparent.wordpress.com/2011/04/10/japan-earthquake-conspiracy/
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2012, 12:00:23 PM »
HAARP

No one denies the existence of the HAARP facility in Gakona, Alaska:





 To begin with, as far as the Earthquake Conspiracy goes, there is the data from the magnetometry readings: http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/data.html,  which lately is ‘unavailable’ or simply not opening, possibly due to overload/ lack of internet bandwidth).   Apparantly the facility fired up its ionospheric energizing beams just prior to, and during, the quake, shortly after which HAARP seized its supposed experiment. [4/13/2011 added-in note: actually it can't even be concluded whether the magnetometer spiked due to HAARP being fired up or due to other causes, such as geomagnetic storms, activity at other facilities, or even if the earthquake itself, were it natural, caused the measurement spike - mvb ] Whether it’s a coincidental correlation, or an actual ‘causation’ can’t be deducted from this data alone, though it can’t be dismissed – it does make for a ‘strange coincidence’:

SOURCE: http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/data.html [I added the time the 9.0 Japan Earthquake happened to the graph] as found on http://labvirus.wordpress.com
A worthwhile documentary about HAARP (mentioned before) is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR6O3kJTqaI

A compilation of some of the better video’s on HAARP: http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2011/03/japan-tsunami-caused-by-haarp.html. The last of the list is of Benjamin Fulford

To confirm the plausibility for this HAARP conspiracy, or debunk it, I would have to see and study the complete detailed record of the magnetometer measurements from Alaska, side by side with the USGS complete global Earthquake record, for starters, ’cause with what I’ve found so far I can’t see how unusual these magnetometer spikes really are, or even if the correlation with a couple massive quakes is even statistically relevant.  Earthquakes are part of what happens in the Pacific ‘Ring of Fire’, and quakes with similar magnitude may be very rare, they’re not considered unprecedented in the geological record.  It doesn’t help that outdated video’s of trippy clouds are mixed with other data and alarmist claims ‘for effect’… :-/  Yet, then again, that could also be part of intentional “PsyOps“, to confuse and diffuse attention, similarly to the mixing of info and disinfo that has been rampant in the discrediting attempts of the 9/11 Truth movement.

    BENJAMIN FULFORD CLAIMS

–> Benjamin Fulford’s blog:  http://benjaminfulford.net/

See Fulford overview Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mP-RRLAYUc or (same):  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=349xtRzzC58
 –> See Also this Blog post on http://the-tap.blogspot.com/2011/03/former-japanese-minister-japan-was.html from Tuesday, March 15, 2011:  “Former Japanese Finance Minister Heizo Takenaka – ”Japan Was Threatened With An Earthquake Machine””
More recent, from Fulford’s blog (March 28, 2011): “The people of the world need to urgently take action against the cabal responsible for the nuclear and tsunami attack against Japan because it is a sign they are desperate, dangerous and are speeding up their planned artificial end-times. The next attack is almost certain to take place on US soil and is expected to be far worse than what happened to Japan, according to multiple cabal-linked sources. The cabal is also planning to announce a new global currency in the coming weeks but it will fail because it is merely a desperate bid by them to remain in control of global finance, according to sources in the British Royal Family and at the BIS.”

My Conclusion:

Earthquakes are accompanied by effects that reach up to high in the ionosphere, so it seems only normal that large earthquakes would show these atmospheric phenomena more than small quakes, regardless of whether the quakes are induced artificially or not.  Thus seeing odd cloud formations, etc. is NOT a sign that HAARP was used in and of itself.  Combined with other factors, however, such as coinciding HAARP activity on the very day of major quakes, political timings and supposed geopolitical motives of powerful shadowy secret societies, the likelihood that it wasn’t entirely natural increases. I don’t know. That HAARP is being used (or tested) as an earthquake weapon is clearly a real possibility, and it most likely lies within the technological capabilities of the military industrial complex.

[--> See also my April 11- additional post: http://allegedlyapparent.wordpress.com/2011/04/11/haarp-1-2/ ]

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Subject: RE: International Cover-up: No. America Radiation


And that’s the big picture.

Especially for those who didn’t already see it. So, those who were blind until now have no more excuses to cling futilely to their ignorance.

If they ignore this Truth, they live in denial — as FOOLS do.

Here is the item not mentioned in your e-mail.

USA residents poisoned by its own nation’s nuclear plants deliberately venting radiation (airborne radioactive waste) into the atmosphere under the guise that all radioactivity is floating across the Pacific from Japan.

No it’s not. Just look at the reading downwind in the proximity of nuke plants in the USSSSA. Readings are significantly higher in those zones. This is yet another hugely significant movement in the orchestration of genocide by radiation poisoning. Waves of plausibly deniable genocidal attacks included (but are not limited to):

Hurricane Ivan (the Terrible) just misses New Orleans, saunters for 10 days over the US and floods all of the eastern seaboard, Sept 2004: HAARP large storm beta test.

Thailand tsunami, Dec 2004: HAARP attack, large-scale/tectonic beta test.

Katrina, Sept 2005: HAARP attack to sink New Orleans and sic FEMA mad dogs + other attack drones on survivors.

China-hosts-Olympics earthquake attack on secret nuclear facility, May 2008: HAARP attack.

Haiti, Jan 2010: HAARP attack to annihilate the population by immediate death or torturously slow impoverished survival & existence.

Gulf of Mexico Massacre, April 2010: BP rupturing known tectonic weak spot to open a rift in the seafloor + space-based, plasma-beam disintegrator ray (HAARP weaponry tool) to release poisonous toxins everywhere throughout the Gulf States to kill or poison 55 million Americans.

Russian mid-continent drought, summer 2010: HAARP-induced stalling & parking of high-pressure dry weather system to persistently block all naturally forming rains and destroy food crops. Foreshadows induced famine.

Sino-Pakistani rains & floods, latter half of 2010: HAARP/weaponized weather control destroys food crop harvests. Foreshadows induced famine.

Australia rains (unprecedented) & floods, end of 2010: HAARP/weaponized weather control destroys wheat crop. Foreshadows induced famine.

Japan nuclear plant earthquake + tsunami, March 2011: HAARP-provoked tectonic attack.

Why??? To release radiation to poison all northern hemisphere life. Poisons entire food chain and population.

If thugs-in-suits in criminal governments aren’t yanked out of their ivory towers and stomped to death NOW, then it’ll never happen. And their life-sucking (literally) puppet-masters deserve even worse fates. Stomping to death is too good for these master parasites.

These elitist monsters must suffer

-emotionally (absolute psyche bashing),
-psychologically (reduced to atomized rubble),
-physically (torturous so),
-intellectually (make them doubt, second guess and question every fiber of their being and all their thoughts),
-spiritually (drive them to cleave to their demon-ism, rendering them bereft of any sentient quality & saving grace).

They have sown humankind’s hopelessness. Of course, nowadays ignorance is a willful choice ~ so foolish sheeple have contributed to their own unnecessary demise. Nonetheless, We The Sighted/Seeing People owe the monsters no less than absolute hopelessness and utter extinction.

Any less comeuppance is earthly and cosmic injustice.
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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2012, 12:38:27 PM »
Do you remember Scientist Leuren Moret? 
Japan earthquake and nuclear "accident" are tectonic nuclear warfare





Independent scientist Leuren Moret, whose 2004 landmark article in the Japan Times unmasked lies and distortions by government and company officials that led to the construction of nuclear power plants in seismically dangerous areas, has declared in an exclusive 65-minute video interview with Alfred Lambremont Webre that the "Japan earthquake and "accidents" at the Fukushima's 6 nuclear power plant units starting March 11, 2011 are in fact deliberate acts of tectonic nuclear warfare, carried out against the populations ecology of Japan and the nations of the Northern Hemisphere, including the U.S., Canada, and Mexico.

http://www.peaceinspace.org
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2012, 02:17:28 PM »
I have heard Leuren Moret before and posted her articles long ago. One hour well spent...
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2012, 07:25:13 PM »
Seems HAARP is more prolific than I first suspected, there could be a dozen or more arrays worldwide..


 I have been bombarded with information re HAARP lately and coupled with the CO2 BS, the information from the guidestones, and the fact that HAARP can not only affect the weather but it can cause earthquakes and Tsunamis (therefore volcanic eruptions too) it makes the 500 million all too real.

Maybe it's time to move to higher ground (but stay away from Yellowstone).


This small video was quite eye opening.

Now, in my younger days, actually going back to about 11-12 years of age, I was very fascinated by so-called para-normal phenomena, especially UFOs...When in my later teens, I experimented with psychedelic substances, including LSD, but not before I had done a lot of study as to what to expect...I also studied Hatha & Kundalini Yoga, and spent many hours in meditation...All because of fascination with the 'para-normal'.

What I found, through my curiosity about things out of the ordinary, was that there are indeed many dimensions to our Universe, and that, in normal every day life, we are operating almost at the fringes of what really exists in a cosmos of 'multi-dimensions' and certainly, an immense 'frequency spectrum'.

Later, I became acquainted with Tesla's work in the area of frequencies...And, of course, as a musician you always work with the movement of frequencies and sequences of harmonics even if you don't quite realize it.

Now, looking at this HAARP thing, I am reminded of stories of ancient human civilization, the most well known one being that of Atlantis...In most literature concerning Atlantis, I run into the 'legend' that it was the misuse of similar technology, manipulation of frequencies, harmonics and various wave forms, sometimes through the use of crystals, that caused a cataclysm and total destruction to take place...Some more cosmic minded Bible students even consider the reason for the 'great flood' to have been ancient man's misuse of certain technologies, violating some very basic & crucial tenets of God's and Natural law, resulting in a form of apocalypse.

Of course, this is all speculation and conjecture, but my point is that projects like HAARP have the potential to be triggers of uncontrollable 'movements'...Especially in the hands of those who have a belief in 'science' as a be-all, end-all...Now, someone like Tesla, who had a quite different orientation in this regard, made amazing discoveries which could be of great benefit to mankind in this area...Yet, those who are on the other side sidetracked much of his research.

In any case, projects like HAARP deserve very close scrutiny, as there is a great possibility for abuse here.

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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2012, 06:20:07 PM »
Now, looking at this HAARP thing, I am reminded of stories of ancient human civilization, the most well known one being that of Atlantis...In most literature concerning Atlantis, I run into the 'legend' that it was the misuse of similar technology, manipulation of frequencies, harmonics and various wave forms, sometimes through the use of crystals, that caused a cataclysm and total destruction to take place

You beat me to this aspect Frank. I was about to post this info for members to review. I saw this movie at the cinema in 1962 and was struck by the crystal bug, (crystal set radios were still being made by boys then). Later a friend wrote her thesis on "Living Crystals" (I still have a copy of it) proving that crystals were living, growing matter.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/zDCWnvBk-DI?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/zDCWnvBk-DI?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US</a>

Today the crystal theory and Teslas work has finally reached the HAARP stage of evolution.

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...Some more cosmic minded Bible students even consider the reason for the 'great flood' to have been ancient man's misuse of certain technologies, violating some very basic & crucial tenets of God's and Natural law, resulting in a form of apocalypse.

To me God's and natural law are one and the same thing and the Elite are defying and abusing these laws in many ways, but of them all HAARP poses the greatest threat to mankind and has the capabilities to bring the 5 million population to fruition.

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Of course, this is all speculation and conjecture, but my point is that projects like HAARP have the potential to be triggers of uncontrollable 'movements'...Especially in the hands of those who have a belief in 'science' as a be-all, end-all

I agree 100% especially in light of the latest Zetatalk newsletter I just recieved with information on the collapse of the Mariana trench ..

http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue275.htm

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...Now, someone like Tesla, who had a quite different orientation in this regard, made amazing discoveries which could be of great benefit to mankind in this area...Yet, those who are on the other side sidetracked much of his research.

In any case, projects like HAARP deserve very close scrutiny, as there is a great possibility for abuse here.

Absolutely!! It would be wise for everyone to research Tesla's work. I have been researching his bio for 20 years and am never amazed at the facts that still emerge. His "death Ray" statement appears to be very true indeed.

Truth extends beyond the border of self-limiting science. Free discourse among opposing viewpoints draws the open-minded away from the darkness of inevitable bias and nearer to the light of universal reality.

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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2012, 06:32:31 PM »
All is well, no need to apologize, in the 'real' world no one will believe it until they see it, one would think. Here, even if one cannot miss it, they are even too blind to see the Chemtrails... Never mind anything beyond that.  :-\

OH Poo!!!! You and Frank beat me to all the links and comments I was correlating ... but Hey it's all good, and I'm delighted that some of the members are finally waking up to the real dangers and how we can help spread the message ... once the PTB realise that they are 'busted' and everyone is watching, and their diversions seen for what they are, it just might, (might), slow their activities and save some lives.

All we need is love!! (And a little bit of luck) 
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2012, 10:28:17 PM »
All we need is love!! (And a little bit of luck)

We've got the love... and we need a lot of luck I think.  ;)
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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2012, 07:54:11 AM »
We've got the love... and we need a lot of luck I think.  ;)

Tons of it!!! I'm sending both your way, so be ready!!  :)
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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2012, 03:22:32 PM »
 ;D OK...
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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2012, 04:56:06 AM »
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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2012, 06:30:10 AM »
Mystica, you did not add the tags at the beginning and at the end.

Remember to use html<your link>/html

use square brackets: [....]link[/....]

I will remove this post after you have read it, should I forget, please remind me.

Thanks Sushi but I did add the tags in square brackets, they appear without the brackets when I review or post it.

That's what I meant when I said that method to embed doesn't work for me.
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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2012, 07:27:39 AM »
Thanks Sushi but I did add the tags in square brackets, they appear without the brackets when I review or post it.

That's what I meant when I said that method to embed doesn't work for me.

That is really strange, I have no idea why this does not work for you. Well, if I see it, I'll fix it.
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2012, 01:22:58 PM »
Seems HAARP is more prolific than I first suspected, there could be a dozen or more arrays worldwide..

I kind of doubt that the patents allegedly associated with HAARP, ionospheric heating or even resonance effects are the big story here. I think it has to do with Heaviside's "undiverted component", a physicist named Heaviside was emplyed to contract and rewrite Maxwell's equations on electromagnetic phenomena to, in my opinion, make discoveries that would lead to incredibly efficient and neverending sources of energy incredibly difficult or impossible. If you miseducate people, it is very hard for them to unlearn the mistakes. We all know how this works in terms of politics and race. It's the same for physics education.
Nevertheless, one of Heaviside's legitimate contributions was to discover that all our electronic devices were inconceivably inefficient, utilizing only a few drops from a raging river of energy that is everywhere all the time. If you can find Tom Bearden's video lecture, I think it was titled "Radionics: Action at a Distance", it explains much.
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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2012, 06:40:25 PM »
I kind of doubt that the patents allegedly associated with HAARP, ionospheric heating or even resonance effects are the big story here. I think it has to do with Heaviside's "undiverted component", a physicist named Heaviside was emplyed to contract and rewrite Maxwell's equations on electromagnetic phenomena to, in my opinion, make discoveries that would lead to incredibly efficient and neverending sources of energy incredibly difficult or impossible. If you miseducate people, it is very hard for them to unlearn the mistakes. We all know how this works in terms of politics and race. It's the same for physics education.
Nevertheless, one of Heaviside's legitimate contributions was to discover that all our electronic devices were inconceivably inefficient, utilizing only a few drops from a raging river of energy that is everywhere all the time. If you can find Tom Bearden's video lecture, I think it was titled "Radionics: Action at a Distance", it explains much.




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The time when Radionics came to be -- and a fairly good explanation befitting those times...

Let's explore now some history of this method, radionics, which for more than a century has been proven to be a useful method of action upon the environment, including action at a distance, as we perceive distance with the set of our senses, which is interacting with a perceived environment, based on electromagnetic frequencies.

As such, radionics is one of many useful methods known to us: a thing that many of the gurus of traditional radionics do not exactly like to admit. This method has been established first more than a century ago by a physician with the name of Abrams. His discovery was one of many coincidental discoveries, and he interpreted his way, based on knowledge available during his times. These assumptions and resulting technologies eventually led to radionic methods as they are used in our days. These mappings, as he established them, may be considered "wrong" according to our more advanced knowledge, and yet, to him they explained very well what happened and they led to new useful methods of interacting with the environment.

I claim to have developed a better, and more useful mapping of what we call radionics, and at the same time I am well aware this my mapping, or theory, is just one of the many potential useful mappings, and, for the sake of progress, this, my theory, hopefully will become obsolete in due time -- the sooner the better - just the same way as Abram's theories and the many other theories, or mappings, which have been formulated by people after Abrams, became obsolete.

Abrams

Again, my new approach became necessary because the assumptions and attempts to explain radionics and why it works became antiquated and pretty much useless, plain and simple, especially in the light of my invention of the chi generator and a resulting better understanding of the common functional principles of the methods of all life-energy based actions at a distance as we know them. Most of the theories of radionics never led to new development in recent times, some of them were quite "neat" as far as being "in tune" with some pop-scientific views of how the universe is supposed to be structured. These approaches simply have proven to be insufficient, i.e., they held back a lot of potential of the radionics approach, they actually blocked the evolution of new technologies, and there was hardly ever any mention how radionics related to other AAD - my new approach takes care of this, and I prefer the approach talking about abstractions made permanent.

As far as the effect itself, I mean, for the person using a device, the theory leading to the technology is pretty much irrelevant, and already traditional radionics had the advantage of enormous flexibility, which with the new approach of power radionics could be increased significantly, of course.

Talking about "radionics frequencies," let's start now with Abrams: Abrams may have had the wrong assumptions, but, based on such assumptions, which in our days seem wrong, he developed a new approach to actions at a distance.

"Sometimes wrong assumptions can lead to new technologies" (Edward de Bono, lateral thinking) A good example is Marconi, who succeeded as a first with a radio wave connection across the Atlantic, assuming that the radio waves follow the surface of the Earth. Had those "top scientists" known about straight propagation of waves and found out about Marconis' experiment, they may have tried to stop any financial support for such "idiocies," likely they would have succeeded, and it may have taken a few years till some "coincidence" may have led to the results. And then, in some respect, Marconi's assumption was correct, although not when seen in relation to the radio waves proper, but how those waves interact with the stratosphere, which reflects them, provided the wavelength is right.

Abrams, who was a MD, at first tapped the belly of his clients to find out about their problems. He heard different sounds on different people and different diseases, and since back then everything was "frequency" just as in our days there is much talk about "quantum" and "nanotechnology," he had the brilliant idea -- or "crackpottish idea" to use a rheostat, which was a large and relatively simple device to define a resistance, similar to a potentiometer in our times, and resistance was used back then to determine the wavelength of radio waves that are to be broadcast or to tune into specific wave lengths that are broadcast from somewhere else.
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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2012, 02:41:56 AM »
Seems HAARP is more prolific than I first suspected, there could be a dozen or more arrays worldwide..

Sorry for negating your info Sushi.

 I have been bombarded with information re HAARP lately and coupled with the CO2 BS, the information from the guidestones, and the fact that HAARP can not only affect the weather but it can cause earthquakes and Tsunamis (therefore volcanic eruptions too) it makes the 500 million all too real.

Maybe it's time to move to higher ground (but stay away from Yellowstone).

Here's the latest video.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/xo-T_KvLNdQ?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/xo-T_KvLNdQ?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US</a>

I watched that clip and it's full of pseudoscientific crap. The first scientist is introduced with only his left eye showing. signalling that the story is a masonic psyop.

"ooh look  i got this tube full of water vapor and if i turn on my microwave dish the air starts moving up and the vapor disappears" DUhhhh . heated air flows up and can hold more water than cold air so it absorbs the mist.. "My god!!! Earthquakes"

here's the google map picture of haarp

http://maps.google.nl/maps?q=haarp&hl=nl&ll=62.391782,-145.151185&spn=0.003331,0.00986&sll=52.092507,4.253463&sspn=0.002208,0.00493&t=h&hq=haarp&z=17
This banning system obviously needs some work..

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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2012, 09:30:26 AM »
I watched that clip and it's full of pseudoscientific crap. The first scientist is introduced with only his left eye showing. signalling that the story is a masonic psyop.


How about Chemtrails?

We have had Chemtrails (Barium and Aluminum) from Spring to Fall ~ a hidden population control agenda? They are not flying for the fun of it, Vidarr. I know the difference between a Chemtrail and a Contrail.

The Ruling Elite’s Agenda for Global Population Reduction!

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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2012, 10:08:09 PM »
I know the difference between a Chemtrail and a Contrail.

Not to belabor a point but I hardly see old-type contrails at all anymore.  Perhaps jet engines don't produce as much contrail as in past thru increased efficiency.  At any rate in DC area chemtrail rate also has dropped off dramatically this year.  Another poster suggested that chemtrail program was scheduled along with weather fronts...perhaps true.  This spring & summer has been esp arid with 1/4 of historical normal rain.  I'm guessing that PTB increasingly reluctant to spray chemtrails in otherwise clear blue skies...seems like they wait until some natural clouds help obscure the obvious chemtrails.  IE, last couple of days had pristine blue skies (even in afternoon), something that never happened 2-3 years ago.

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« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2012, 10:17:05 PM »
Not to belabor a point but I hardly see old-type contrails at all anymore.  Perhaps jet engines don't produce as much contrail as in past thru increased efficiency.  At any rate in DC area chemtrail rate also has dropped off dramatically this year.  Another poster suggested that chemtrail program was scheduled along with weather fronts...perhaps true.  This spring & summer has been esp arid with 1/4 of historical normal rain.  I'm guessing that PTB increasingly reluctant to spray chemtrails in otherwise clear blue skies...seems like they wait until some natural clouds help obscure the obvious chemtrails.  IE, last couple of days had pristine blue skies (even in afternoon), something that never happened 2-3 years ago.

We had blue skies all Summer with temperatures of up to 39C ~ 100F. Contrails are short and dissipate quickly. Chemtrails actually seed clouds that linger.

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...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.