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« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2012, 03:03:53 PM »
Its part of their plan to make males hermaphrodites androgynous..It feminizes men, period.


So, Is Soy Bad For You?
The short answer? YES! Let’s be clear on the recent history of soy. The soybean was a modest and unpopular crop until food manufacturers intent on creating cheap vegetable oils convinced the U.S. government to start subsidizing it. The soy was turned into oil, and the industry was left with an industrial waste product. Then somebody had a brilliant idea:

Let’s take this industrial waste product full of toxins and carcinogens — isolated soy protein — and turn it into food that people will eat!



Debunking The Asian Soy Myth
But, people say, what about Asians? They eat soy every day, and they’re so healthy!

In this article by Nina Planck, she writes:

Soy farming started around 1100 BC in China, where it was used to build soil fertility and feed animals. Soy beans were not considered fit for humans until the Chinese learned to ferment them, which makes them digestible. Asian diets now include fermented soy beans in the form of natto, miso, tamari, and tempeh.

Soy producers want you to eat more soy — more than the Asians eat, and more than is good for you. The Japanese and Chinese eat 10 grams of soy per day — about two teaspoons. Yet a soy manufacturer recommends Americans eat ten times what the Japanese eat — 100 grams of soy protein per day. In The Soy Zone, Barry Sears recommends a daily diet of a minimum of 50 grams of soy, and up to 75 grams for women and 100 grams for men.

It’s like red wine: a glass or two a day may be good for you; a bottle or two every day rots your liver.

Did you catch that? Asians only eat 2 teaspoons of soy a day, usually as a condiment, and it’s highly fermented!
Fermentation takes care of many of the dangers of soy. Plus, the typical Asian will also consume soy with mineral-rich and nutrient-dense foods such as fish broth (naturally high in iodine & other minerals which support the thyroid).



Dangers of Soy
Thankfully, more and more independent research has been done regarding the dangers of soy, and what it’s revealed should scare you.

Phytoestrogens

Soy is higher in phytoestrogens than just about any other food source. Phytoestrogens are plant-based estrogens that mimic estrogen in our bodies. In recent years, you may have read about studies which indicate phytoestrogens are good for you. But ask yourself, who funded those studies? The soy industry, that’s who. Independent research has clearly shown that consuming phytoestrogens is downright dangerous for the human body.

It’s only common sense. No one argues, for example, that a leading cause of breast cancer, endometriosis, uterine fibroids, infertility, and low libido is unopposed estrogen, or estrogen dominance. Why, then, would anyone argue that we should consume more of a food high in estrogen?

An infant taking the recommended amount of soy formula is consuming a hormone load equivalent of 4 birth control pills a day! Is it any wonder we’ve seen such a dramatic rise in precocious puberty with young girls starting their periods at 6 and 7?

Goitrogenic

Soy will destroy your thyroid. Many foods are goitrogenic (thyroid suppressing), but soy is king of them all. Goitrogens work by preventing your thyroid from getting the necessary amount of iodine. Friends, I believe this is what happened to Oprah’s thyroid. She pushed soy for years, featured it in everyone one of her “healthy” diets, and it destroyed her thyroid. If your thyroid fails, what happens? You gain weight. You have a harder time regulating your moods. You get colder more easily. You’re more easily fatigued. You demonstrate an inability to concentrate and remember details. The list goes on. You simply don’t want to mess with your thyroid.

Phytates

Phytates are enzyme-inhibitors that block mineral absorption in human digestive tract. They are naturally present in all grains, seeds, nuts, and legumes (which is why everyone should read this primer on how to eat grains, if you eat them at all.) But soy is so high in phytates that it’s almost impossible to get rid of them. Simply soaking soy overnight in an acidic medium won’t do the trick. Soy must be fermented in order to be digestible to humans. That means that if you eat soy at all, you should stick to fermented soy products like miso, tempeh, natto, or a naturally fermented soy sauce (tamari).








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« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2012, 06:43:50 PM »
Estrogen/thyroid.
Not good at all for men, soy was intended as a condiment.
It is used to help keep monks celibate.
Now its in our entire food chain (Cows, Chickens, Pork..all fed corn/soy meal mixed as 50/50 soy)  Its garbage.

I drink some soy milk (not a lot and not often), and put soy sauce on my Chinese food.  I haven't noticed a difference in my libido.

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« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2012, 07:03:24 PM »
Quote from: WaltDisney
Asians only eat 2 teaspoons of soy a day, usually as a condiment, and it’s highly fermented!
Fermentation takes care of many of the dangers of soy.

Correct. Fermented soy products are safe; Americans use a highly dangerous GMO junk mixture (e.g. that isolated soy protein ingredient you always see) masquerading as soy. Fermented hemp protein, tofu etc are the safe ones.

[And Wd, stop using 'feminize' in the wrong context. Men's hormonal imbalance don't result in growth of physical or psychological female characteristics. There's nothing feminine about it; femininity is NOT the absence of male traits.]

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« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2012, 07:14:48 PM »
I drink some soy milk (not a lot and not often), and put soy sauce on my Chinese food.  I haven't noticed a difference in my libido.

I believe soy sauce (low sodium, anyway) is good for you.

Soy milk, OTOH... If you're using a mainstream American soy milk brand, it's almost guaranteed it's GMO, & thus poison. Silk etc...even the ones that claim "organic" on their label could be GM. Stay away from it. Look for the genuinely organic rice soy milk instead. Some come from Asia, you might find some European ones.

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« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2012, 07:03:47 AM »

[And Wd, stop using 'feminize' in the wrong context. Men's hormonal imbalance don't result in growth of physical or psychological female characteristics. There's nothing feminine about it; femininity is NOT the absence of male traits.]

Absence of male traits IS feminizing, as much as you claim otherwise.


From Science Daily 2003
"Genistein may act as an estrogen or an anti-androgen, blocking the function of endogenous androgens the sex hormones necessary for males to develop a normal reproductive system and ultimately leading to the reproductive abnormalities and sexual dysfunction we saw in the exposed rats," added study co-author Sabra L. Klein, Ph.D., of the School of Public Health. "However, additional research is needed to determine if this is the case."

Whether the long-term effects of genistein on the reproductive development of male rats are caused by exposure during gestation, lactation, or both also requires further investigation, Wisniewski said.




Big picture Here:
" Yet according to Oxford geneticist Bryan Sykes in his new book Adam's Curse: A Future Without Men, "the Y chromosome is a genetic mess and is deteriorating so quickly that men could someday conceivably become extinct".
As evidenced by abnormal and declining sperm counts, male infertility (currently around 7%) will continue to rise over time.
This is because the Y-chromosome doesn't exchange DNA like other chromosomes, thus making it prone to higher level of mutations. Additionally, Sykes posits a virtual battle of the sexes in which men's Y chromosomes are locked in a "deeply imbedded war" with the mitochondrial DNA of females, each seeking to exclusively reproduce themselves at the expense of the other. He hypothesizes that male homosexuality could be a kind of "genetic altruism," that furthers the agenda of the mitochondrial DNA. Sykes actually envisions a future world made up entirely of women -- women could quite possibly survive as a species without men by "arranging fertilizations not between sperm and egg, but between one egg and another -- the techniques for this are already here." Sykes sees few remedies -- the Y chromosome's weakening might be arrested by genetic manipulation to remove certain genes; and as for cloning, it will not work over the long term, because the clones will be too susceptible to being wiped out by pathogens, whereas genetic variation ensures that at least some people will survive epidemics that come our way.

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« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2012, 10:48:27 AM »
Absence of male traits IS feminizing, as much as you claim otherwise.
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No, & you misunderstood my post as well as the research you quoted.

Though a popular theory contends that all embryos initiate with a pair of XX chrom (the father's Y determines the sex), they develop into something completely different i.e. males cannot "turn back" into females bc they never were in the 1st place . Loss of sexual characteristics by men, i.e. abnormal hormonal fluctuations etc, do NOT turn them into women, hence do not "feminize" them.

Male fertility has been artificially disrupted in some populations & though there is evidence that the Y chrom MIGHT be deteriorating, nothing is set in stone & Sykes is speculating. His theory of 2 women producing a baby is more sci-fic than anything else, esp for an Oxford man. Also, Y chrom trouble does not mean men are turning into women, & the research does not say that either. Abnormal development does not turn feminize men. If it were, as you state, the current hormone imbalances in men would lead to development of primary & secondary sex charac. in men; hasn't happened. They're just low on sperm & hormones, & that can be rectified.

It is worth remembering that for the duration the doomsday-for-males research was conducted, just as many males were born as were females. Europe is about half & half. All this male infertility epidemic is totally overblown.

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« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2012, 03:51:26 PM »
No, & you misunderstood my post as well as the research you quoted.

Though a popular theory contends that all embryos initiate with a pair of XX chrom (the father's Y determines the sex), they develop into something completely different i.e. males cannot "turn back" into females bc they never were in the 1st place . Loss of sexual characteristics by men, i.e. abnormal hormonal fluctuations etc, do NOT turn them into women, hence do not "feminize" them.

Male fertility has been artificially disrupted in some populations & though there is evidence that the Y chrom MIGHT be deteriorating, nothing is set in stone & Sykes is speculating. His theory of 2 women producing a baby is more sci-fic than anything else, esp for an Oxford man. Also, Y chrom trouble does not mean men are turning into women, & the research does not say that either. Abnormal development does not turn feminize men. If it were, as you state, the current hormone imbalances in men would lead to development of primary & secondary sex charac. in men; hasn't happened. They're just low on sperm & hormones, & that can be rectified.

It is worth remembering that for the duration the doomsday-for-males research was conducted, just as many males were born as were females. Europe is about half & half. All this male infertility epidemic is totally overblown.

The FDA was investigating issues in Purto Rico where pre teen boys were deveoping 'Bitch Tits', the culprit was likely to have been the feed source fed to the Chickens, as the story was related to me.

If thats not feminizing then I dont know what is. 

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« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2012, 08:36:08 PM »
BTW, my little sister was fed a formula of 'soy milk', brand name 'Similac' when she was a young 'un...Maybe it's a coincidence, but she developed many medical problems in her early years.

Well for babies "formula" is bad news of course, but I'm not sure a non-soy formula would be better than soy.

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« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2012, 08:44:39 PM »
I believe soy sauce (low sodium, anyway) is good for you.

Soy milk, OTOH... If you're using a mainstream American soy milk brand, it's almost guaranteed it's GMO, & thus poison. Silk etc...even the ones that claim "organic" on their label could be GM. Stay away from it. Look for the genuinely organic rice soy milk instead. Some come from Asia, you might find some European ones.

Mainstream soy milk is so highly processed it barely has much taste.  I've made homemade soy milk & bought soy milk at the Korean grocery (made by independent "oriental" companies) & they both have a much stronger flavor.  So even disregarding the hormones & GMO it's probably not that nutritious.