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« on: October 21, 2011, 11:08:29 AM »
Rome's deception is actually larger than I realized...

its bigger than Saturday v. Sunday...

"When the historical and time centric facts of the Julian calendar are comprehended, it
becomes apparent that Sunday is not the only spurious worship day established upon
paganism.

Saturday, dies Saturni, is also a counterfeit and spurious worship day. For
the mere fact it is the seventh-day of the modern week, it is in opposition to the true
seventh-day Sabbath of the Bible. Both days are fruit of a false, man-made calendar
system.

Therefore, neither Saturday nor Sunday can be the true Bible Sabbath.
In 321 A.D., Constantine, emperor of Rome . . . by civil enactments made
“the venerable day of the Sun,” which day was then “notable for its
veneration,” the weekly rest day of the empire . . . The enforcement of the
weekly observance of Sunday gave official recognition to the week of
seven days and resulted in the introduction of it into the official civil calendar of Rome.

The Romans passed that calendar down to us, and in it
we have still the ancient planetary titles of the days of the week. Odom,
op. cit., p. 243-244, emphasis supplied.

In one fell swoop, a double deception was masterminded. Constantine crafted not one,
but two major deceptions, both the spurious fruit of his instituted artificial calendar.
First, he changed the cycling eight-day week to a cycling seven-day week, creating an
illusion that this “new week” and its calendar were indeed in harmony with Scripture.
Second, he anointed Sunday of this new unbroken-cycling-week, to be “holy.” By so
doing, he crafted the greatest deception of all. Those Bible students and scholars of
later generations to come would discover that the seventh-day was ordained by
Yahuwah to be holy and not the first day.

By default they and their followers would adhere to “Saturday,” as if it were holy, simply because it represented the seventh-day on Rome’s calendar. Thus, thinking they are in harmony with Scripture, many would
cling to “Saturday,” believing it to be the true seventh-day Sabbath of Scripture. All
the while, the entire premise that the Roman “week” was in sync with Scripture became
the hidden deception.

All will be brought to test over this question, as all have the
opportunity to know the truth. Each of the Creator’s units of time are beaconed by the
orchestrated harmony of the sun, moon and stars. In sharp contrast, Rome’s week floats
through the Creator’s month with no connection what ever to the moon.

Has Rome changed any other ordained units of time? Bible scholars will agree that
Rome has also altered for her own glory, the year, month and day. Roman time dictates
that the “year” commences in winter, the “calends” (Roman months) were crafted
according to her arbitrary whim and are not fixed to the moon, and “days” are to
commence at midnight. All the while, Scripture testifies from cover to cover that
Yahuwah ordained the year to commence in Spring (Exodus 12:1-3), the month is to
commence at the New Moon lunar phase (Isaiah 66:23, Ezekiel 46:1), and the “day”
was ordained to be twelve hours in length and commence at sunrise. For more on when
a day begins, refer to article, “Sunrise or Sunset, When Does a Day Begin? Also, refer
to Word Study on “Genesis 1:1-5.”

From the rising of the sun to its going down the Lord's name is to be
praised. Psalms 113:3 NKJV

The Mighty One, God the Lord, has spoken and called the earth from the
rising of the sun to its going down. Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty,
God will shine forth. Psalms 50:1-2 NKJV

For from the rising of the sun, even to its going down, My name shall be
great among the Gentiles; in every place incense shall be offered to My
name, and a pure offering; for My name shall be great among the nations,"
says the Lord of hosts. Malachi 1:11 NKJV

Jesus answered, "Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks
in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world.
John 11:9 NKJV
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[Note to the reader— Before you are tempted to dismiss this as error, because you’ve
been taught to believe the “day” commences at sunset, and believe the Sabbath is
placed according to Roman cycling weeks, think again. All have been taught wrong, as
Scripture defines that “all the world wandered after the beast.”

The reformation is still marching forward, and will continue until the return of our redeemer, Yahushua. Take
this opportunity to challenge your current beliefs, as knowledge is increasing and truths
are becoming plain. Let not one doctrinal stone be left unturned in the search for truth
(Acts 17:11), as the last conflict will be over time.]

The Ordained Measure for Time Verse 31 begins with another exhortation, to exalt and restore the timing of Yahuwah’s three additional units of time, specifically His Sabbaths, His New Moons and their lunar
months, and all His ordained annual holy feast days. But how can this be done? What
are the standards that define each? Remarkably, it is a single remedy that restores each
of these units of time. This remedy for the lost Sabbaths, New Moons and their lunar
months, and annual holy feast days is to be accomplished by “numbering” them
according to the “elliptical perpetual measure of the moon.” Shocking as this may be,
“the week” with its seventh-day Sabbath was ordained at creation to be fixed
permanently to the same numbering count as that of the month. As a result, the
seventh-day Sabbaths by divine design were eternally fixed to the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and
29th civil calendar dates, each and every lunar month.

Ever since Constantine legislated in A.D. 324, his new “seven day week” with its
continuous-weekly-cycle, and appointing Sunday as the holy day, the whole world has
been deceived by His dual craftiness, and led to forget the Creator’s true calendation.
Shortly afterward, in A.D. 358, Sanhedrin Patriarch Hillel II, motivated by the
onslaught of continued Jewish persecution, determined to provide an authorized
mathematically-based calendar for all time to come that would be in harmony with
Rome. By so doing, he severed the ties that united the Jews of the Diaspora to their
historical Scriptural roots and to the patriarchate.


It is recorded that Rome’s unbrokencycle-
of-weeks of seven days was adopted at a clandestine and maybe final meeting of
the Sanhedrin in A.D. 358, marking the last universal decision made by that body.

Thus the Jews swapped the Biblical lunar Sabbaths for the popularized Roman
continuous weekly cycle, causing her Sabbaths to no longer be in sync with the New
Moons and all other holy appointed feast days.


The present Jewish calendar was fixed in the fourth century. Jewish
Theological Seminary of America, Letter by Louis Finkelstein to Dr. L. E.
Froom, Feb. 20, 1939. regarding the present Jewish calendar.
Sabbath and New Moon (Rosh Hodesh), both periodically recur in the
course of the year. The New Moon is still, and the Sabbath originally was,
dependent upon the lunar cycle. Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, p. 410.
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The (early) Hebrews employed lunar seven-day weeks, which ended with special
observances on the seventh day, but none the less were tied to the moon's
course. Rest Days, p. 254-255 by Hutton Webster

The connection of the Sabbath with lunar phases, however, was (later)
discarded by the Israelites . . . The New Schaff-Herzog Religious
Encyclopedia, p. 135-136.

These . . . eventually led Jewish rabbis to call Saturn Shabbti, 'the star of
the Sabbath.' It was not until the first century of our era, when the
planetary week had become an established institution,
that the Jewish Sabbath seems always to have corresponded to Saturn's
Day [Saturday]. Rest Days, p.244 by Hutton Webster

Blindly, all the modern world “has wandered after the beast” by believing either
Rome’s lie that Sunday is holy or the Jewish lie that Saturday is the Sabbath
(Revelation 13:3).

http://www.thecreatorscalendar.com/pdfs/WS_1_Chronicles_23_30_32.pdf

ha ha ha...so I was wrong...thanks Walt your defense of your tradition has really

revealed alot

so, not only the protest-ants are following your pope so are the joos...

makes sense, they are not the original joos but useful to world empire...according to plan

clap clap clap

thanks again Walt your persistance paid off...

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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2011, 03:13:26 AM »
yes, there is much fraud outside the graces of the most blessed pope daniel; most wise, most holy.

would you kill an animal and eat it when alternatives are available? its pretty rude behavior
Revelation 3:14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation.

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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2011, 05:15:55 AM »


would you kill an animal and eat it when alternatives are available? its pretty rude behavior

rude indeed...but the killing animals for sacrifice is stopped...wish the deceptions were too

rome's calendar continues

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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2011, 05:46:51 AM »
Encyclopedia Biblica 1899


 

"The Hebrew Sabbathon was celebrated at intervals of seven days, corresponding with changes in the moon's phases..." Encyclopedia Biblica, 1899 edit., p.4180


 

In the years following Clement of Alexandria’s time, an ominous change started to take place that was to radically change the Christian concept of the Sabbath. “This intimate connection between the week and the month was soon dissolved. It is certain that the week soon followed a development of its own, and it became the custom -- without paying any regard to the days of the month (i.e. the lunar month) -- ...so that the new moon no longer coincided with the first day of the week."  Encyclopedia Biblica (The MacMillan Company, 1899. P. 5290).

 

“The introduction...of the custom of celebrating the Sabbath every 7th day, irrespective of the relationship of the day to the moon's phases, led to a complete separation from the ancient view of the Sabbath...”  Encyclopedia Biblica 1899 p4179


 

"The four quarters of the Moon supply an obvious division of the month... it is most significant that in the older parts of the Hebrew scriptures the new moon and the sabbath are almost invariably mentioned together. The [lunar] month is beyond question an old sacred division of time common to all the semites; even the Arabs who received the week at quite a late period from the Syrians, greeted the New Moon with religious acclamations. We cannot tell [exactly] when the Sabbath became dissociated from the month." Encyclopedia Biblica (1899 edit) pp 4178 and 4179


 

"The Hebrew Month is a lunar month and the quarter of this period-one phase of the moon-appears to have determined the week of seven days." Encyclopedia Biblica, (1899 edit.) p.4780


 




Encyclopedia Britannica


 

The calendar was originally fixed by observation, and ultimately by calculation. Up to the fall of the Temple (AD 70), witnesses who saw the new moon came forward and were strictly examined and if their evidence was accepted the month was fixed by the priests. Eventually the authority passed to the Sanhedrin and ultimately to the patriarch. Gradually observation gave place to calculation. The right to determine the calendar was reserved to the Patriarchate. The Jews of Mesopotamia [in Babylon] tried in vain to establish their own calendar but the prerogative of Palestine was zealously defended."


 

So long as Palestine remained a religious centre, it was naturally to the homeland that the Diaspora looked for its calendar. Uniformity was essential, for if different parts had celebrated feasts on different days, confusion would have ensued. It was not until the 4th century A.D. that Babylon fixed the calendar." Encyclopedia Britannica; Vol 4, article "Calendar"


 

In the 21st century, we take for granted a seven-day week. However, in some ancient cultures, the length of the week differed.  According to the Encyclopedia Britannica:

 “Among primitive peoples, it was common to count moons (months) rather than days, but later a period shorter than the month was thought more convenient, and an interval between market days was adopted. In West Africa some tribes used a four-day interval; in central Asia five days was customary; the Assyrians adopted five days and the Egyptians, 10 days, whereas the Babylonians attached significance to the days of the lunation that were multiples of seven. In ancient Rome, markets were held at eight-day intervals; because of the Roman method of inclusive numeration, the market day was denoted nundinae (“ninth-day”) and the eight-day week, an inter nundium.”  Measurement of time and types of calendars: Standard units and cycles”; Britannica 2002 Deluxe Edition; 1994-2002; Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc.


 




Philo of Alexandria


 

"[The moon] receives the perfect shapes in periods of seven days-the half-moon in the first seven days period after it's conjunction with the sun, full moon in the second..." The Works of Philo, The Special Laws, I, XXXV (177), page 550


 




The Popular and Critical Bible Encyclopedia


 

"Among all early nations the lunar months were the readiest large divisions of time... (and was divided in 4 weeks), corresponding (to) the phases or the quarters of the moon. In order to connect the reckoning by weeks with the lunar month, we find that all ancient nations observed some peculiar solemnities to mark the day of the New Moon." The Popular and Critical Bible Encyclopedia 1904 edit) Vol. 3, p. 1497


 







Rest Days; Hutton Webster


 

"The (early) Hebrews employed lunar seven-day weeks, which ended with special observances on the seventh day but none the less were tied to the moon's course."

Hutton Webster in his book Rest Days, page 254-255


 

"These imported [from Babylon] superstitions eventually led Jewish rabbis to call Saturn Shabbti, 'the star of the Sabbath.' [and] it was not until the first century of our era, when the planetary week had become an established institution, that the Jewish Sabbath seems always to have corresponded to Saturn's Day [Saturday]." Rest Days, p244 Hutton Webster

http://yahwehstruelunarsabbathcalendar.blogspot.com/2010/02/historical-evidence-proves-calendar-and.html

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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2011, 10:45:14 PM »
Rome's deception is actually larger than I realized...

its bigger than Saturday v. Sunday...


Lunar calendar = Moon Worship?  I read some wiki re Lunar Calendar & Hebrew Calendar & the ole Hebrew version seems slightly crazy with the intercalary months, discerning barley ripening etc.  Well I'm amazed that with your emphasis on Sabbath that you hadn't read about your post topic before.  If this stuff was such a big deal it's odd that God didn't put down the details in stone.  But he likes to see us fussing about it. 

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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2011, 06:18:30 PM »
Lunar calendar = Moon Worship?
not quite

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I read some wiki re Lunar Calendar & Hebrew Calendar & the ole Hebrew version seems slightly crazy with the intercalary months, discerning barley ripening etc.
luckily the solar one is more convenient and easier to follow plus it has christmas and halloween those are fun no?

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Well I'm amazed that with your emphasis on Sabbath that you hadn't read about your post topic before.
ha ha ha...

hey "starting to see" isnt the same as SEEING...nevermind looking or searching and finding...its been a long recovery from the blinding deceptions of rome

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If this stuff was such a big deal it's odd that God didn't put down the details in stone.
and you follow what He DID put in stone?

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  But he likes to see us fussing about it.
not His fault man has deceived others and blinded them...maybe even smashed the stones?

just showing the extent to which rome altered the originals...

now even the joos with their sabbath follow rome...ironic...

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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2011, 07:33:28 PM »
not quite
luckily the solar one is more convenient and easier to follow plus it has christmas and halloween those are fun no?
 ha ha ha...

hey "starting to see" isnt the same as SEEING...nevermind looking or searching and finding...its been a long recovery from the blinding deceptions of rome
 and you follow what He DID put in stone?
 not His fault man has deceived others and blinded them...maybe even smashed the stones?

just showing the extent to which rome altered the originals...

now even the joos with their sabbath follow rome...ironic...

OK, it would seem to make some sense for the Sabbath to be lunar-based.  So how would the correct way to name months go?  Or perhaps we could keep solar calendar months but use lunar months just to determine Sabbath days & no need to name lunar months?  What would be the method to choose days for special Christian celebrations?  Or are they out?  Some Christians don't celebrate Christmas, others don't follow conventional Easter dates (or even approve of the word "Easter").

& yes it is a bit surprising that joos altered the Hebrew calendar somewhat in line with Roman calendar.  A bit odd since AFAIK they still have different year/month scheme.

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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2011, 09:14:00 PM »


& yes it is a bit surprising that joos altered the Hebrew calendar somewhat in line with Roman calendar.  A bit odd since AFAIK they still have different year/month scheme.

evidence that these modern joos are tools of rome...

things get so out of whack the resurrection happens before the crucifixion at times...

rome easter before joo passover...


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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2011, 09:19:06 PM »
i eat pork on sunday... hate me.
This banning system obviously needs some work..

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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2011, 09:36:03 PM »
evidence that these modern joos are tools of rome...

Proves no such thing.  Most modern joos don't give a hoot about religious minutiae, they just want Jr to bar/bat-mitzvah, visit Israel & marry within tribe.  Their own scriptures relate ancient history of disobedience to morality & doctrine.  Can't all be blamed on Catholics.

Anyway I posted some nice questions (irrespective of joos) about the calendar systems/Sabbath issue & you completely ignore!  & you fuss at people for talking "joos joos joos"!

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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2011, 05:46:52 AM »
Proves no such thing.

umm... you missed that the ancient joos followed lunar cycles that were not continuous

modern joos follow rome's continuous calendar abandoning their own

they follow rome

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Most modern joos don't give a hoot about religious minutiae, they just want Jr to bar/bat-mitzvah, visit Israel & marry within tribe.
ok

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Their own scriptures relate ancient history of disobedience to morality & doctrine.
and that's why the ancient joos were destroyed and abandoned by god and should be ignored not elevated by fear and superstitions or protected by the church for being the seed line of christ baby

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Can't all be blamed on Catholics.
for resurrecting the khazar version of joo? why not? for protecting and using them as scapegoats? why not?

for defending and rebuilding the holy land's joorusalem why not? for demanding world empire of justice to counter these antichrist creations? why not?

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Anyway I posted some nice questions (irrespective of joos) about the calendar systems/Sabbath issue & you completely ignore!  & you fuss at people for talking "joos joos joos"!

yes you did

not ignoring... trying to find some plausable answers....trying to give your questions the respect they deserve

and if I dont know I dont say...but I will look, research and try my best to answer...

i've been blinded for awhile...give me time


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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2011, 08:03:23 AM »
umm... you missed that the ancient joos followed lunar cycles that were not continuous

and by "ancient" I mean up to the time of jesus and beyond...

he kept lunar...

i often hear christians claim to follow christ, His example

dont see it much

and now even less...


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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2011, 07:02:23 PM »
umm... you missed that the ancient joos followed lunar cycles that were not continuous

modern joos follow rome's continuous calendar abandoning their own

they follow rome
 ok
 and that's why the ancient joos were destroyed and abandoned by god and should be ignored not elevated by fear and superstitions or protected by the church for being the seed line of christ baby
 for resurrecting the khazar version of joo? why not? for protecting and using them as scapegoats? why not?

for defending and rebuilding the holy land's joorusalem why not? for demanding world empire of justice to counter these antichrist creations? why not?

yes you did

not ignoring... trying to find some plausable answers....trying to give your questions the respect they deserve

and if I dont know I dont say...but I will look, research and try my best to answer...

i've been blinded for awhile...give me time

The Wiki entry on Hebrew Calendar says that imperial calendar was adopted for civic/business purposes but Sabbath was still based on lunar cycle.  Of course Wiki is sometimes biased/wrong, but I'm not sure what you mean by "ancient joos followed lunar cycles that were not continuous".

Anyway many sections of OT suggest ancient jews were hardly a picnic, let alone during Christian era.  So did ancient joos (or Israelites) ever properly follow Sabbath?

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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2011, 08:07:02 PM »
The Wiki entry on Hebrew Calendar says that imperial calendar was adopted for civic/business purposes but Sabbath was still based on lunar cycle.  Of course Wiki is sometimes biased/wrong, but I'm not sure what you mean by "ancient joos followed lunar cycles that were not continuous".
working on it... :)

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Anyway many sections of OT suggest ancient jews were hardly a picnic, let alone during Christian era.  So did ancient joos (or Israelites) ever properly follow Sabbath?
joos were certainly not a picnic and led israel into apostacy many times...divided israel and all was finally destroyed...babylonian joos hit reset with the second temple until christian time then destroyed again...version three khazar came along...but by now sabbath was day before sunday...not 8th day since new moon

yup all new to me...but OT is certainly not gregorian...nor is NT

again there are times resurrection occurs before crucifixion because of the difference between the gregorian grid and moon cycle

gregorian hints of the lunar new year in march-april as june is fourth july is fifth august is six september is seven october is eight and november is nine and deci is ten

but gregorian new year is capricorn goat and lunar is aries ram...

and the goats will be seperated from the sheep....

something is going on...

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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2011, 07:56:04 PM »
working on it... :)
 joos were certainly not a picnic and led israel into apostacy many times...divided israel and all was finally destroyed...babylonian joos hit reset with the second temple until christian time then destroyed again...version three khazar came along...but by now sabbath was day before sunday...not 8th day since new moon

LaRouche has sometimes mentioned the imperial/finance oligarchical Rome-Venice-London system as having roots in Babylon, & the Rastas use "Babylon" as a synonym for evil.

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yup all new to me...but OT is certainly not gregorian...nor is NT

again there are times resurrection occurs before crucifixion because of the difference between the gregorian grid and moon cycle

I used to read Herbert Armstrong/Worldwide Church of God stuff (big-time British Israelist lol) but he had some interesting comments on "Easter".  He didn't reference calendar systems IIRC but noted that resurrection (going by some Gospels) didn't occur 3 days after after crucifixion, more like 2 days...(though I read that stuff long ago, I can't be too definite).

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gregorian hints of the lunar new year in march-april as june is fourth july is fifth august is six september is seven october is eight and november is nine and deci is ten

Interesting but wouldn't that point to Rome following Hebrew calendar with new year starting in spring?
Well Fuehrer EB approves of correct observance of solstices not as sun-worship but to celebrate the importance of our God-given sun.  It also should be fairly trivial to encourage folks to observe proper Sabbath since weeks don't depend on the solar calendar.  BTW how did Gregorian Calendar divorce the weeks from lunar observation?  I'm guessing you'll say it was a deliberate plan to destroy Sabbath (which could very well be true AFAIK) but OTOH I suppose it might have been due to local politics...I've read, for instance, that in latter days of Roman Empire they had so many official holidays that basically every 3rd day was time off for some stupid holiday or another.

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« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2011, 03:51:11 AM »
working on it... :) something is going on...

Christians on the fringes of the Roman Empire used the Biblical reckoning centuries after Constantine. When Catholic princess, Margaret, married Scottish king Malcolm III (1031-1093) in 1070, she was instrumental in establishing Catholicism in Scotland. Prior to that time, Scottish priests still married, still observed Passover on Abib 14 (regardless of the Julian date) and still worshipped on the seventh-day Sabbath – likely by the Biblical calendar as well, as they were observing Passover by that calendar.

http://www.4angelspublications.com/articles/Biblical_Calendar_Outlawed.pdf



"Between the Doctrine of Discovery and the Gregorian Calendar Reform, under the aegis of the Church, the Europeans conquered and colonized virtually the entire New World - North and South America...The historical context in which this calendar became the fixed standard is of the greatest significance. On the one hand, European power, instigated by acquisitive material greed and the Church’s need to gather all souls under its cross, had literally straddled the globe. Henceforth, no one could receive the ‘blessings’ of Christianity without receiving the Gregorian calendar... The Gregorian calendar was unilaterally instituted by the Vatican, because the Christian armies of Europe had conquered most of the indigenous people on the planet and needed to have a mental time-framing device for imposing all of their new 'religious holidays' on the world."

Before this tyranny of time, and subsequent colonization of the mind, there were many more diverse calendars in use than have survived today. In fact, Gregory's calendar reform was essentially the first act of globalization and is responsible for what has become today's worldwide mono-time. With less than 18% of the world's population being Catholic, its seems entirely inappropriate that a world filled with such a rich variety of religions, cultures, and spiritual traditions would be subordinate in time to the calendar of the Vatican/Roman Catholic Church.

Dr. Arguelles continues: "Within 200 years, everyone in Europe and the colonies was using it: the 'calendar of colonialism.' By the beginning of the 20th century it was used by every nation on the planet, because all banking activity (such as mortgages and interest rates) is based on it. Every law created by any government in the 20th century is based on this calendar... All authority granted to this calendar is actually an allegiance to a late medieval Christian timing device. The authority of this device is held by the Vatican, geographically the smallest political state on the planet, yet given full political protection by the major Western powers (the G-7: USA, Canada, United Kingdom, France, Germany, Italy, plus Japan)...

"In Europe itself, the Gregorian calendar succeeded at the precise moment when the final mechanization of time was being achieved. By AD 1600 the twelve-month year and the 60-minute hour had become the standard of time. Thus, accompanying and giving form to the very origins of modern materialistic science was the final codification of the third-dimensional timing frequency, the 12:60. Needless to say, the authority and impact of this timing frequency was never questioned much less realized. Though men like Kepler and Galileo were persecuted by the Church, they did not question the authority of the calendar. And so it has been with virtually all men of science to accept without question this calendar by which they live."

Because of the religious connotations of the Pope's calendar reform, many non-Catholic nations resisted adopting it. For example, Japan held out until 1873, China until 1912, Russia until 1918, and Greece until 1924, when they finally conformed for convenience in international business and governmental affairs.

As expressed in the Explanatory Supplement to the Astronomical Almanac, section 1.3 - Calendar Reform and Accuracy: “In most societies a calendar reform is an extraordinary event… The acceptance of the Gregorian calendar as a worldwide standard spanned more than three centuries… Its adoption in the United Kingdom and other countries was fraught with confusion, controversy, and even violence. It also had a deeper impact through the disruption of traditional festivals and calendrical practices..."

Since Gregorian-time currently synchronizes the planet through the global world of commerce and its commonly accepted notion that Time is Money, its no wonder that the sentiency of Nature has been denied, replaced by marketplace values. Both Time and the Biosphere have been compart-mentalized, quantified, and sold off in a self-consuming game of artificial worth.

As reported by "National Geographic" (March 2004), commenting on China's steady economic/industrial boom, both rich and poor citizens of Beijing admitted: "What good is money if you can't breathe the air?" As the world continues to justify disaster and disorder as the price of "progress," we the people are collectively calling for a new approach.

Dr. Arguelles explains, "It is the artificial timing frequency that is governing the whole of globalization or global civilization and that is the 12:60, irregular 12 month calendar, 60 minute mechanical clock. Within the 12:60, time is money. Absolutely everything in this society is prorated as money according to the clock. The clock came to perfection in the early 17th century, not too long after that the first stock markets and banks were created. With an irregular and irrational calendar, we are programmed for irrationality: irrational laws, irrational customs. This is the cause of the human deviation from nature. As long as we are living on this timing frequency we are going to go farther and farther away from the universal natural cycles. As we go farther away we get out of touch with our own nature and we get out of touch with the Great Nature."

http://www.13moon.com/cal_change.htm

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« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2011, 03:38:13 AM »
so they made a gregorian calender, big deal. what makes the jew calender more authority than the mayan or chinese? because of Yahuwah? what a joke.

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« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2011, 04:22:04 PM »
i eat pork on sunday... hate me.

Me too... Plus I eat beef on Fri-day ... LOL
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« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2011, 04:39:57 PM »
Christians on the fringes

"In doing business with New Zealand and Australia, we're losing out on two working days a week ... While it's Friday here, it's Saturday in New Zealand, and when we're at church on Sunday, they're already conducting business in Sydney and Brisbane," Samoan Prime Minister Tuila'epa Sailele Malielegaoi said in a statement.

http://global.christianpost.com/news/samoa-time-change-nation-skipping-december-30-65965/

Swapping sides of the dateline is not a first for Samoa. It, and neighbouring American Samoa, lay west of the dateline until 1892, when a US businessman convinced both to switch to the east for trading purposes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13334229

So far, only Samoa's small Seventh Day Adventist Church has indicated a major problem for its congregation, which traditionally begins celebrations for the Sabbath on Friday night and continues through Saturday.

The Seventh Day Adventist parish in Samoa's Samatau village has decided it will continue to observe the Sabbath day on Saturdays despite changes forced on the church by the westward switch of the date line.


Read more: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/world/samoa-to-change-time-zones-lose-one-day#ixzz1hyiHAm1C

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« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2011, 08:10:44 PM »
time is power...

I guess you'll be thrilled about the new Hanke-Henry Permanent Calendar   ;)