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« Reply #280 on: October 10, 2011, 06:37:19 PM »
Another mistranslated bible, color me surprised, by yet another Judaizer, a New age Greek translation.
fine walt, what translation do you accept?

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COR 16:2
On the first day of the week let every one of you put apart with himself,


never mind the corruption of translating first of sabbaths to first day of the week....lets look at  put apart with himself...

how does this represent collective corporate worship or even gathering of the ekklessia? its not a collection gathered as the congregation is meeting like an offering plate passed...it CLEARLY states let every one of you put apart with HIMSELF

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I send to carry your grace to Jerusalem.
why Walt? WHY is Paul going to joorusalem? TO CELEBRATE PENTECOST...I thought you said all that was OT and done away with at the cross...

well then, why is passover, sabbath, and pentecost and unleaving of the bread still occuring?

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Per unam sabbati unusquisque vestrum apud se seponat, recondens quod ei bene placuerit: ut non, cum venero, tunc collectæ fiant.
Hey look at that, Walt, YOU EVEN POSTED IT...per unam SABBATI

how is unam sabbati translated into first day of the week?

are you implying that latin, a language of trade and conquest and culture had no word for week? or sunday? or first day of the week? but resorted to unam sabbati?

or that the greeks, again, a people of culture politics war and economy had no word for sunday or week without incorporating the hebrew root of shabbos? ha ha ha

Here it is again Latin Greek and English

Latin Vulgate 1 Cor. 16:2 Per unam sabbati unusquisque vestrum apud se seponat, recondens quod ei bene placuerit: ut non, cum venero, tunc collectæ fiant.
 
Greek Received Text 16:2 kata mian sabbatwn ekastoj umwn par eautw tiqetw qhsaurizwn o ti an euodwtai ina mh otan elqw tote logiai ginwntai
 
English King James 16:2 Upon the first day of the week

http://www.logosapostolic.org/bibles/latin_vulgate_textus_receptus_king_james/1_corinthians/fcor16.htm

that Protest-ant queer sodomizing heretic King James sure tried to uphold and follow your tradition Walt...do you have more than sunday in common? ha ha ha

hey even your Spanish Inquisition used a shabbos root for sabado...those joodiacs

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« Reply #281 on: October 10, 2011, 07:19:35 PM »
Sabbath-keepers worship on the Saturday.
Do U know where the word "Saturday" comes from?
It's from the Latin word "Saturnus--Saturn + Old English dæg day."
 Saturday is from the pagan day of worship of the planet Saturn (astrology).


that's why I dont call it saturns day...I call is sabbath...



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There isn't even 1 command in the NT for Christians to keep the Sabbath holy.
all those who believed in christ's instructions to flee to the mountains but pray NOT on Sabbath...were saved from being killed by the romans...ironic no?

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NT references to Sabbath-keeping instruct us not to listen to those who tell us what day to keep ( Col  2:16),
because they were keeping it and being judged for doing so

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and that man was not made for the Sabbath, but the Sabbath for man (see Mark 2:27).
so christians arent men...understandable

and christians worship the Lord of the Sunday?
 
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The Sabbath was given as a sign to Israel (Exodus 31:13-17).
and who is israel? christians claim to be...as we are strangers within their gates seeking the promises made to them

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Nowhere is it given as a sign of the Church or to Christians.
Rev 14: 6And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people; 7and he said with a loud voice, “Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters.” 

what else did this God make besides heaven and earth? oh yeah Sabbath...

Isaiah 66:23 From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the LORD.


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Jesus did keep the Sabbath.
that alone ends the argument

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He had to keep the whole Law be the Perfect Sacrifice. The Bible makes it clear that the Law has been satisfied in Christ.
israel never succeeded in keeping the law...they tried but failed...luckily they repented each yearly cycle and were spared...well until they werent..ha ha ha

Christ did keep it...never abolished it...revalidated it and those that love Him wish to keep them...
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The reason Paul went into the Synagogue each Sabbath wasn't to keep the Law.
If it was, then it was contrary to everything he taught about being saved by grace and grace alone (Galatians 3:11). It was so that he could preach the Gospel to the Judeans.
This is clearly evident in the Book of Acts.
ha ha ha...wow...he even baptized the first convert on sabbath...was beaten for teaching romans customs not for them...that would be sunday keeping? ha ha ha

and at his trial he claimed his innocence in KEEPING THE TEMPLE LAW... sunday keeping would break that no?

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It was so that he could preach the Gospel to the Judeans
it was his custom...customs are what you voluntarily choose to keep...as if he couldnt meet with joos in the market street or homes...ha ha ha...he was sent to preach to the gentiles who came every sabbath and crowded the joos out..

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The Sabbath of the Jew is to him a task;
Our Lord's Day of the Christian, the first day of the week, is to him a joy, a day of rest, of peace, and of thanksgiving.
ha ha ha

Instead he hurried to Joorusalem for Pentecost...and circumcised poor Timothy

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yes, we establish the law.

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« Reply #282 on: October 13, 2011, 05:48:36 AM »
sabbath rest is one of the commandments of moses...jews will use any excuse not to work

 In Arabic, the days of the week are also numbered, and the 7th day is still the Sabbath (asSabt), but the 6th day is now alJum'ah, the day of "gathering" (jum'), when Muslims pray at the mosque (jâmi'). In Modern Greek, the days are also numbered, and the 7th is still the Sabbath (Savvato), but the 1st day is now Kyriakê, the Lord's day. Interestingly, the 6th day in Greek is Paraskeuê, the "Preparation." This is actually the Jewish term, as preparation is made on the 6th day for the Sabbath -- preserved in a language today almost entirely of Christians, but formerly of many Jews in the Hellenistic and Roman periods.

The name of Saturday in Spanish and Italian is clearly derived from Sabbatum. The French name, Samedi, has the same origin. In Old French it was Sambedi, from Vulgar Latin Sambati dies. There are many cases where a b has become an m in "Sabbath," including Romanian Sambata, Hungarian Szombat, and even Persian Shambe (written Shanbe). In French, we have the interesting development that the final t has become confused with the -di (for dies) ending of all the other days of the week. The German name of Saturday, Samstag then looks like nothing less than a transformation of the French name into German, with German Tag, "day," subsituted for the -di element, and a genitive -s added to the root. In German, however, the -s may not be a genitive but a remnant of the final t, since the word in Old High German was Sambaz tac (compare English that, ending in t, with German das, ending in s). In the oldest attested Germanic language, Gothic, Saturday was Sabbato dags [Winfred P. Lehmann, A Gothic Etymological Dictionary, E.J. Brill, Leiden, 1986, p. 289-290].

http://www.friesian.com/week.htm

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« Reply #283 on: October 13, 2011, 05:55:33 AM »
pope daniel works 18 hours a day 7 days a week, now thats salvation; heaven not much different

It was not borrowed from the Egyptians, as the week of seven days closing with a day of rest was unknown to them. In recent years a Babylonian origin has been advocated. A lexicographical tablet gives shabattu as the equivalent of um nuh libbi, "the day of the appeasement of the heart" (of the gods).

http://www.catholicity.com/encyclopedia/s/sabbath.html

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« Reply #284 on: October 16, 2011, 03:56:03 AM »
we can't even get a straight story regarding the nazis and ww2 after only 80 years
Revelation 3:14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation.

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« Reply #285 on: October 16, 2011, 11:15:39 PM »
all pray to holy father pope daniel, he will petition your requests to the UFOs; be they worthy.
Revelation 3:14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation.

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« Reply #286 on: October 21, 2011, 04:33:01 AM »
COR 16:2
On the first day of the week let every one of you put apart with himself, laying up what it shall well please him; that when I come, the collections be not then to be made. And when I shall be with you, whomsoever you shall approve by letters, them will I send to carry your grace to Jerusalem.  And if it be meet that I also go, they shall go with me.

Per unam sabbati unusquisque vestrum apud se seponat, recondens quod ei bene placuerit: ut non, cum venero, tunc collectæ fiant.

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[I Corinthians 16:2] Every Sunday each of you should set aside some of your money and save it. Then money won't have to be collected when I come. (GOD'S WORD® The following translations refer to the day of resurrection as "The First Day of the Week"....commonly known as Sunday: NASB;GWT;KJV;ASV;BBE;DBY;WEY;WBS;WEB;and YLT. We'll also throw in Douay/Rheims for good measure. You can see them here!

 If you refer back to the Latin Vulgate text of 1 Corinthians 16:2 before English translations started paraphrasing it, the Latin Vulgate text nowhere mentions either "Sunday" or the "first day of the week".

 In regards to 1 Corinthians 16:2, the Latin Vulgate text, the 1545 German translation by Luther of the Latin Vulgate text and the 1569 Spanish Sagradas Escrituras translation of the Latin Vulgate text all refer to "Sabbath".



Latin: Biblia Sacra Vulgata -- "per unam sabbati unusquisque vestrum apud se ponat recondens quod ei beneplacuerit ut non cum venero tunc collectae fiant"

German: Luther (1545) -- "Auf je der Sabbate einen lege bei sich selbst ein jeglicher unter euch und sammle, was ihn gut dünkt, auf daß nicht, wenn ich komme, dann allererst die Steuer zu sammeln sei."

Spanish: Sagradas Escrituras (1569) -- "Cada primer sábado, cada uno de vosotros aparte en su casa, guardando lo que por la bondad de Dios pudiere; para que cuando yo llegare, no se hagan entonces colectas."

 All mention of "first day of the week" or "Sunday" is merely a latter day paraphrasing of the perceived meaning of "Sabbath" by the English translation of the 1582 Douay-Rheims Bible and the 1611 King James Version of the Bible.

Douay-Rheims Bible -- "On the first day of the week let every one of you put apart with himself, laying up what it shall well please him; that when I come, the collections be not then to be made."

King James Bible -- "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come."

 Later, more modern day French and Spanish versions, then parroted the English translation of "Sabbath" into "first day of the week".

 French: Martin (1744) -- "C'est que chaque premier jour de la semaine, chacun de vous mette à part chez soi, ce qu'il pourra assembler suivant la prospérité [que Dieu lui accordera], afin que lorsque je viendrai, les collectes ne soient point à faire."

Spanish: Modern -- "El primer día de la semana, cada uno de vosotros guarde algo en su casa, atesorando en proporción a cómo esté prosperando, para que cuando yo llegue no haya entonces que levantar ofrendas."

 

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 If the 1569 Spanish text "Cada primer sábado, cada uno de vosotros" were translated, literally, into modern English, it would read: "Each first Saturday, each one of you ..... ".

 In modern Spanish, derived directly from the Latin:

 Sabado = "Sabbath day" = Saturday

 Domingo = "Lord's day" = Sunday"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2106317/posts?page=415


not even the famous spanish inquisition could extract "sabado" from the language...ha ha ha