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The real ancient route out of Africa
« on: August 19, 2011, 01:50:29 AM »
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The real Homo Sapien migration out of Africa
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For the last three million years the earth has experienced regular periods of glaciation which we call ice ages. The last ice age ended some 12-14 thousand years ago. At its peak so much water was on land in glaciers that the sea level was on the order of 300 feet or 100 meters lower than today.

What we call the continental shelf which is under water today was back then dry land all the way to the sea where it abruptly drops off to great depth. In most places this is merely interesting. In some places it is critical to theories of human development. The Horn of Africa is one of those places.

This first image is a typical graphic showing human emigration from Africa. It is unapologetically stolen from "Our Hybrid Origins, New Scientist, 30 July 2011." It shows human migration out of Africa with rough dates assigned to points in the migration. If the diagonal area showing where humans first evolved is correct then this is wrong.

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This image shows the present day coast lines which are obviously those upon which the first image is based. It is wrong because those were not the coastlines 100,000 years ago when we migrated out of Africa. The basis for image 1 is simply that people walked out of Africa. It is imposing a route based upon non-ice age conditions. 100,000 years ago there was definitely an ice age in progress.

A full size world map of the ice age sea levels is here.1

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This is the above image with the sea bottoms changed to green where they would have been dry land during the last ice age. This migration out of Africa occurred during the ice age. Because modifying the second map turned out to be much more difficult than expected and as this is not for professional publication the third image is only approximate.

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This is one of many similar images which have annoyed me. I find it annoying that anthopologists who are clearly deeply interested in ice age humans have failed to look at the impact of the lower sea levels during ice ages. I created image 3 from 2 by selecting the cyan representing the continental shelf and painting it green for dry land. The same was done for 5 and 6.

The upper right diagonal band is at the Horn of Africa. From there it shows a land migration to the Mediterranean to cross the Sinai into Asia. The reason for this long migration is obvious, to get around the Red Sea, to be able to walk all the way.

But what if there was land connecting Arabia with the Horn of Africa? In that case the idea of migrating out of Africa would be meaningless as the land would have been continuous sharing the same climate, flora and fauna. Guess what? There was.

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Image 4 is a standard map of the coast today showing the shallowest water as the lightest blue. Any ice age worthy of the name uncovers this as dry land which is shown in image 5.

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Notice in this image the Persian Gulf is also dry land so getting to Iran from the Horn has only a modest jog back west.

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To make it more clear image 6 is an enlargement of what is today the connection between the Red Sea and the ocean. As it is totally blocked by land and as no rivers feed what is left of the Red Sea it was likely a salt flat unless there was enough rainfall to make it into a salt lake. In either even it would have been worthless for food so there would have been no migration along it. Migration would have continued along to coast of Arabia towards Iran.

The bottom line here is there was no need for nor is there reason to expect leaving Africa was delayed by the Red Sea because it wasn't there.

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So what does it change? It explains a very odd fact shows in the first image. If the migration out occurred 100,000 years ago how is it humans are in Australia 10,000 years before they are in Europe? As in image 7 if the label for 100,000 years is moved to the Horn of Africa and we leave the 70,000 label in the same place, the path along the west coast of the Red Sea is replaced by a direct path from the horn to the 70,000 then we note the distance to Europe and Australia is about the same.

Instead of having people living in Palestine for 60,000 years before entering Europe we do not have humans in Palestine until shortly before they enter Europe. Humans get to roughly the modern Iran before splitting east, west and north.

And this is reasonable. Prior to reaching that area the best land for food is along the coast. Upon reaching this region there is game to the east and west and seasonally migrating herds leading them north.

Another consideration is that Arabia was far less desert than it is today although it is a bit by analogy. Assuming the similar climate to Africa as today we assume the Sahara and Arabian deserts both existed or did not exist at the same time. In historical times the Sahara was grassland with some forests. The final desertification occurred barely 4000 years ago. It was verdant during the ice age. For that reason it is reasonable to assume Arabia was verdant at the same time.

With this we cannot simply declare the migration was along the coast of Arabia to Iran. It is reasonable to assume there was migration other than along the coast. I have no particular speculation beyond pointing out leaving Africa was from a different place which better matches the time scale of human appearance in other places.

Overall the lower sea level shows any artifacts found near the present shore which are more than 12,000 years ago were tens of miles inland. Coastal settlement from the ice age are some 300 feet under water.

Before one starts thinking catastrophe, the melting took centuries. The shores would have been flooded very slowly, In worst case places like western Florida if the glaciers took as little as 200 years to melt the shoreline advance would have been about one mile a year. Realistic estimates put the melt at 1-2,000 years. Move along. There is Noah thing to see.
1If you download it look at the region of Alaska. You have heard of the land bridge the Indians crossed to get to the Americas. Most people have the idea of something as narrow as a bridge. Look at the size of it. The southern shore is below the arctic circle and warmed by the Japan current. If crossing in Summer think shirtsleeve weather.

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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2011, 04:05:41 AM »
The "out of Africa" theory is complete crap.
The British anthropologist who first discovered african skulls on European soil and whos findings and research are abused for the "out of africa" theory completely refutes the idea that moderne day humans are descendant of africans.   
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2011, 07:52:57 AM »
The "out of Africa" theory is complete crap.
The British anthropologist who first discovered african skulls on European soil and whos findings and research are abused for the "out of africa" theory completely refutes the idea that moderne day humans are descendant of africans.

I follow this subject rather closely and have come across no significant contradiction to the idea. Perhaps you could recite the physical evidence you know of which does so? Thank you. Much appreciated.
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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2011, 08:26:01 AM »
I follow this subject rather closely and have come across no significant contradiction to the idea. Perhaps you could recite the physical evidence you know of which does so? Thank you. Much appreciated.

DNA studies may be right regarding tracing modern humans to primitive african stock.  But the evolution could not have been natural.  It would have to have been orchestrated by the gods.  The ancient sumerian tablets offer some insight on this (they refined african hominids into beings in the own image, to serve them). 
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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2011, 09:14:17 AM »
The Human Family Tree Migration Pathways



The Human Family Tree - Generalized Migration Patterns
National Geographic (c) 2009

Extrapolated human migration patterns out of Africa, derived from the Genographic Project and described in the 2009 program on the National Geographic Channel called The Human Family Tree. The Geographic Project has collected over 200,000 samples of DNA from people all over the world and generated this map of the progress of human migrations out of Africa, beginning during the Middle Paleolithic about 60,000 years ago.

The Geonographic Project and project director Spencer Wells were described in The Human Family Tree, which aired on the National Geographic Channel on August 30, 2009. Sources and More Information

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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2011, 10:06:52 AM »
DNA studies may be right regarding tracing modern humans to primitive african stock.  But the evolution could not have been natural.

Why not? Argumentation is not evidence.

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It would have to have been orchestrated by the gods.  The ancient sumerian tablets offer some insight on this (they refined african hominids into beings in the own image, to serve them).

I am interested in physical evidence not appeals to fairies.
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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2011, 10:28:47 AM »
Why not? Argumentation is not evidence.

I am interested in physical evidence not appeals to fairies.

The physical evidence is sumerian tablets.  The question is interpretation.  Your theory doesn't explain how africans in the tropics evolved into superior beings than their counterparts living in seasonal climes, where planning was necessary. 
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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2011, 12:27:50 PM »
I follow this subject rather closely and have come across no significant contradiction to the idea. Perhaps you could recite the physical evidence you know of which does so? Thank you. Much appreciated.

Physical evidence is in the many skin tones. By your calculations everyone should now be black. To get the observable Black through to brown, yellow, and white, there has to have been White to blend those colours. Ergo not ALL humans came out of africa.

The Sumerian tablets are the historical events told in the ancient vernacular and read in the same ilk as the bible, ie the way the ancients perceived the heavens and earthly events.

But the ice age progression rings true and matches what is taking place today..

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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2011, 01:47:02 PM »
The physical evidence is sumerian tablets.  The question is interpretation.

If you are talking about that Van Daniken crap you need to be posting in a fantasy forum on the subject of fairies.

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Your theory doesn't explain how africans in the tropics evolved into superior beings than their counterparts living in seasonal climes, where planning was necessary.

You asserted evolution could not have been natural. That requires you to demonstrate the observed evolution is not possible. Please cite the know fact or fact of evolution which indicates this is not possible.
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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2011, 03:34:30 PM »
If you are talking about that Van Daniken crap you need to be posting in a fantasy forum on the subject of fairies.

You asserted evolution could not have been natural. That requires you to demonstrate the observed evolution is not possible. Please cite the know fact or fact of evolution which indicates this is not possible.

There are no facts when jews control the information.  Forensics are as reliable as a jew witnessing the holocost.   Anthropology needs to explain why blacks are an inferior race.  Until it does this, why even listen?

Van Daniken?  Never heard.  Inform me on his "crap".
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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2011, 06:49:12 PM »
If you are talking about that Van Daniken crap you need to be posting in a fantasy forum on the subject of fairies.

So your admitting you know nothing of the Sumerian tablets? vonDaniken?? Your knowledge of true creation AND evolution needs a fix, as they both go together, without a creation there would be no evolution.

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You asserted evolution could not have been natural. That requires you to demonstrate the observed evolution is not possible. Please cite the know fact or fact of evolution which indicates this is not possible.

You assert all humanity came from out of Africa. That requires you to demonstrate how that is possible.
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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2011, 12:59:56 PM »
There are no facts when jews control the information.  Forensics are as reliable as a jew witnessing the holocost.   Anthropology needs to explain why blacks are an inferior race.  Until it does this, why even listen?

Please define inferior in the sense you are using it here. BTW: There are seven distinct "races" of black Africans. Which are you referring to or do you mean all of them?

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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2011, 01:06:27 PM »
So your admitting you know nothing of the Sumerian tablets? vonDaniken?? Your knowledge of true creation AND evolution needs a fix, as they both go together, without a creation there would be no evolution.

I am familiar with quite a bit from Sumeria. Von Daniken's "gods are space aliens" nonsense appears to be the only thing that applies in this context.

Perhaps you could present the evidence for and define this evolution you are talking about. It would help clarify the discussion. Do you mean the creation by Amun?

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What is it about Genetic modification that brings out the fear and denial in otherwise intelligent people?

You assert all humanity came from out of Africa. That requires you to demonstrate how that is possible.

I need only observe there is no physical evidence to the contrary. That means it did happen regardless of the existence of a plausible "how" it happened.
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« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2011, 04:11:57 PM »

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Van Daniken?  Never heard.  Inform me on his "crap".

He wrote Chariots of the Gods in the early 1970's, a book that had a great influence in my thinking. Before his book, I believed archeologists with PhD's were real scientists and not fiction writers. After his book, I saw archeologists as hired guns with an agenda that would say anything depending on who was paying them.
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« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2011, 04:35:35 PM »
He wrote Chariots of the Gods in the early 1970's, a book that had a great influence in my thinking. Before his book, I believed archeologists with PhD's were real scientists and not fiction writers. After his book, I saw archeologists as hired guns with an agenda that would say anything depending on who was paying them.

Youre very cynical, Mr Laconas.

All this time I thought we all came from Africa, despite the fact that there was no wheel, written language or alphabet in that continent at the arrival of the 1st Europeans, save Egypt.
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« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2011, 05:09:52 PM »
Youre very cynical, Mr Laconas.

All this time I thought we all came from Africa, despite the fact that there was no wheel, written language or alphabet in that continent at the arrival of the 1st Europeans, save Egypt.

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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2011, 06:37:35 PM »
There are no facts when jews control the information.  Forensics are as reliable as a jew witnessing the holocost.   

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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2011, 11:04:19 PM »
He wrote Chariots of the Gods in the early 1970's, a book that had a great influence in my thinking. Before his book, I believed archeologists with PhD's were real scientists and not fiction writers. After his book, I saw archeologists as hired guns with an agenda that would say anything depending on who was paying them.

Ditto! Just substitute agenda for a bible
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Physical evidence is in the many skin tones. By your calculations everyone should now be black. To get the observable Black through to brown, yellow, and white, there has to have been White to blend those colours. Ergo not ALL humans came out of africa.

The Sumerian tablets are the historical events told in the ancient vernacular and read in the same ilk as the bible, ie the way the ancients perceived the heavens and earthly events.

But the ice age progression rings true and matches what is taking place today..

The "Out of Africa" theory gained popularity & is generally taken as the gospel today due to the Mitochondrial Eve theory, i.e. all races have a common mitochondrial DNA (passed on from the mother) which was traced to a woman (mitochondrial Eve) in Africa. I studied a bit of genetics & I can tell you the theory has been oversimplified & exaggerated.

When ice age migration started, ppl in the Caucasus Mountains evolved differently.

Europeans adapted to the bitter cold with long, thin noses to warm the cold air, Orientals adapted to the harsh wind with epicanthic folds on their eyes etc, whereas Africans' wide noses cooled air, & their hair trapped air to cool their skulls etc. All races look extremely different from one another. In other words, there's more than enough evidence to suggest that there were different types of humans, even if they came out of Africa.

Blacks did not turn into browns, yellows & WHites merely by leaving the continent. Look at the indigenous ppl of Egypt (not counting interracial mixtures & immigrants), Tunisia, Morocco before negro interracial breeding almost wiped out the original ethnic group, Libya & Algeria. Why aren't those ppl Black Africans? They reside on the same continent...