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« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2011, 07:32:19 PM »

Thomas Paine seems to have known what he was talking about.
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« Reply #41 on: August 19, 2011, 07:37:28 PM »
I'm certain there is very interesting thoughts and information in this thread.

But, I think the answer to the original question is pretty simple.

They are not Thomas Aquinas. It is Enlightenment thought and Anti-Catholic.

It's really that simple.

All our troubles came about since the so-called Reformation.

Read Hillaire Belloc's Crisis of Civilizaiton.

It appears to be Enlightenment thought and Anti-Catholic thought led by wacky Hebrew myths.
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« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2011, 07:40:05 PM »
Thomas Paine seems to have known what he was talking about.

He complicates it more than it has to be.  It's basically just them vs us.
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« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2011, 08:15:42 PM »
He complicates it more than it has to be.  It's basically just them vs us.

With the freedom of the Reformation, Jews around that time started organizing a goy army that was loyal to Jewish interests. And second, it's a history that has been censored.
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« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2011, 08:22:10 PM »
By the way, it's not that I don't respect some ot these people or appreciate their intellectual abilities.

I just think they got off on the wrong trajectory, just my opinion of course.

You know writing, reading, and the entertainment of ideas can be just as hypnotic as TV or any other modern devices. I just had this thought yesterday as I had time to think on a long bike ride.

Of course linear thinking is intelligence compared to modern modes of communication. However, one can get just as lost if they don't know who they are or where they stand.

Locke, Smith, and a lot of the early 18th Century thinkers make good sense. But, for me, it boils down to relativism and justifying the times by their analysis.

To me they are propagandists. But, I know they are true believers in what they thought and wrote. It's the difference between man being subject to God, or man being a god himself.

And yes, I realize that I am a part of a small remnant. And I was not always like this. It has been part of my development as I came back to a life of faith.




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« Reply #45 on: August 19, 2011, 08:43:55 PM »
By the way, it's not that I don't respect some ot these people or appreciate their intellectual abilities.

I just think they got off on the wrong trajectory, just my opinion of course.

You know writing, reading, and the entertainment of ideas can be just as hypnotic as TV or any other modern devices. I just had this thought yesterday as I had time to think on a long bike ride.

Of course linear thinking is intelligence compared to modern modes of communication. However, one can get just as lost if they don't know who they are or where they stand.

Locke, Smith, and a lot of the early 18th Century thinkers make good sense. But, for me, it boils down to relativism and justifying the times by their analysis.

To me they are propagandists. But, I know they are true believers in what they thought and wrote. It's the difference between man being subject to God, or man being a god himself.

And yes, I realize that I am a part of a small remnant. And I was not always like this. It has been part of my development as I came back to a life of faith.

I had friend years and years ago who used to tell how smart his wife was and how she read two or three books a week. When I met her I discovered she was reading romance novels, nuff said. To expand on this, I always looked down at experts who couldn't chew gum and walk at the same time.

I totally agree ideas are relative to their time. The short piece by Tom Paine tell me he wasn't quite sure what this freemasonry was and he questioned it in a rational manner. I also suspect once he arrived at the answer he was seeking he held back having understood who controlled the levers of power at that time.
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« Reply #46 on: August 19, 2011, 11:38:39 PM »
I'm certain there is very interesting thoughts and information in this thread.

But, I think the answer to the original question is pretty simple.

They are not Thomas Aquinas. It is Enlightenment thought and Anti-Catholic.

It's really that simple.

All our troubles came about since the so-called Reformation.

Read Hillaire Belloc's Crisis of Civilizaiton.

I'll take a look at your suggestion. If you have a good link, please post it. To be honest, without any religious background, I found the article that I have posted hard to read and understand.
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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« Reply #47 on: August 20, 2011, 04:03:35 AM »
"The initiated are certain to attain the company of the Gods." Morals and Dogma page 373.

Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion; and its teachings are instruction in religion. Masonic Morals & Dogma page 213

…prayer is an essential part of our ceremonies. Masonic Morals & Dogma page 6

Not one man in ten thousand knows anything about the proofs of his faith. Masonic Morals & Dogma page 165

…even Jesuitry were taught under the mask of Masonry. Masonic Morals & Dogma page 326


The masonic religion:
Revelation 3:14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation.

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« Reply #48 on: August 20, 2011, 04:43:48 AM »
I had friend years and years ago who used to tell how smart his wife was and how she read two or three books a week. When I met her I discovered she was reading romance novels, nuff said.

A Very sexist statement of you.

Where would this country be without People Magazine, National Enquirer, US weekly and Romance novels?


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« Reply #49 on: August 20, 2011, 05:23:11 AM »
Masons were the engineers of old.  If the engineers of today formed a political guild, it also may go somewhere.  Problem is keeping out the jews.
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« Reply #50 on: August 20, 2011, 01:11:11 PM »
A Very sexist statement of you.

Where would this country be without People Magazine, National Enquirer, US weekly and Romance novels?

 ;D  Add to that the endlessly stupid TV programs people are watching, if you take an evening walk, you can't miss people sitting in front of their beloved TV's.
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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« Reply #51 on: August 20, 2011, 01:16:04 PM »
A Very sexist statement of you.

Where would this country be without People Magazine, National Enquirer, US weekly and Romance novels?

OK, there must be some stupid books guys read.
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« Reply #52 on: August 20, 2011, 05:15:31 PM »
;D  Add to that the endlessly stupid TV programs people are watching, if you take an evening walk, you can't miss people sitting in front of their beloved TV's.

The freakin jews have the nerve to tell you what it is ie

'We now interrupt tonights regularly scheduled PROGRAMMING' ...

they actually tell you youre being programmed, and yet the people lap it up.
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« Reply #53 on: August 20, 2011, 05:17:45 PM »
OK, there must be some stupid books guys read.

Its called the sports pages.

And GQ, sports illustrated &  ESPN.

That Chris Berman of ESPN is a real pioneer sports broadcaster/commentator, aint he?
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« Reply #54 on: August 20, 2011, 06:48:14 PM »
Its called the sports pages.

And GQ, sports illustrated &  ESPN.

That Chris Berman of ESPN is a real pioneer sports broadcaster/commentator, aint he?

I don't have ESPN, just basic cable. And basic was real move up for me a couple of years ago.
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« Reply #55 on: August 22, 2011, 02:38:38 AM »
Freemasonry is an Oriental sect and cannot therefore be described as 'Western'.

Be that as it may, it does not detract from my original observation that an undue amount of thinkers, okay lets say residing in the west for your semantical way, were associated with masonry.

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« Reply #56 on: August 22, 2011, 08:58:55 AM »
The freakin jews have the nerve to tell you what it is ie

'We now interrupt tonight's regularly scheduled 'PROGRAMMING' ...

they actually tell you youre being programmed, and yet the people lap it up.

And they do... good play on words.
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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« Reply #57 on: August 22, 2011, 11:22:26 AM »
I'm certain there is very interesting thoughts and information in this thread.

But, I think the answer to the original question is pretty simple.

They are not Thomas Aquinas. It is Enlightenment thought and Anti-Catholic.

It's really that simple.

All our troubles came about since the so-called Reformation.

Read Hillaire Belloc's Crisis of Civilizaiton.

Careful with that argument, Father Brown, as most people would look back on the last 400 years or so and call it unmistakable progress.  Big progress.  perhaps in spite of these problems, I don't know...

As an engineer myself, I would like to be part of a (jew-free) political guild and help shape the next 400 years, with even more progress.

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« Reply #58 on: August 22, 2011, 08:10:05 PM »
I do not comprende how the deterioration of Civilisation can be considered progress. Any technological advancements not under the Authority of the Church are doomed. A good example is the atomic research that has given us the bomb and Fukushima-- which continues to get worse.

The Church and especially the Jesuits were at loggerheads with  Einstien and the Atomists.

The Authority of the Pope has been removed from society -- until it is restored there will be chaos.
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« Reply #59 on: August 22, 2011, 10:40:07 PM »


The Authority of the Pope has been removed from society -- until it is restored there will be chaos.

Hmm choice between Inquisition and NWO, which should I vote for? Let me see.....