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« on: July 19, 2011, 04:43:42 AM »
http://afgen.com/forgotten_slaves.html
The Slaves That Time Forgot

By John Martin

They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children.

Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives.

We don’t really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? After all, we know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade. But, are we talking about African slavery?

King James II and Charles I led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain’s famed Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing one’s next door neighbor.

The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.

Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.

From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.

During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.

Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.

As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.

African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African.

The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude.

In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion. These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves.

This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company.

England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia.

There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat.

There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry.

In 1839, Britain finally decided on it’s own to end it’s participation in Satan’s highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery.

But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then they’ve got it completely wrong.

Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories. But, where are our public (and PRIVATE) schools???? Where are the history books? Why is it so seldom discussed?

Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims merit more than a mention from an unknown writer? Or is their story to be one that their English pirates intended: To (unlike the African book) have the Irish story utterly and completely disappear as if it never happened.

None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to describe their ordeal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased history books conveniently forgot.


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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2011, 08:48:05 AM »
A girl i know who went to a protestant school was told by her teachers that the irish catholics were even more evil than the nazi's.



 
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2011, 08:59:34 AM »
Very tough and sad times for the Irish and Africans alike.

Irish Slavery in America

One of the topics of interest to a number of our people is the Irish language in America. This is intimately related with the subject of indentured servitude and slavery in America. Gerry Kelly has contributed the following information, as a sample of the research he and others do on this subject.

The following website is an excellent overview of slave revolts although, unfortunately, the author doesn't mention Irish slaves or the mixed Irish/African slave populations: Enslaved African Resistance and Revolts

Please note in particular:

1663
    "First serious enslaved African conspiracy in Colonial America, Sept. 13. Servant betrayed plot of White servants and enslaved Africans in Gloucester County, Va." I haven't done any research on this rising but given that it's in 1663, these "White servants" were probably Irish slaves captured and sold during the heyday of the Irish slave trade (1649-1657) under Cromwell. The Cromwellian (i.e., Puritan) government in Ireland gave the slave monopolies to good Puritan merchants who then sold on to other good Puritan merchants in the Caribbean, Virginia, and New England.

(The Royalists/Anglicans got nearly nothing out of the Irish slave trade.) The first witch killed (1688) in the famous Massachusetts witch trials was an old Irish slavewoman (Anne Glover) who had been captured by Cromwellian forces and sold as a slave in the 1650s. She could recite the Lord's Prayer in Irish and Latin, but didn't speak English. So Cotton Mather and the boys hung her. Cotton Mather was quite proud of his visiting the poor woman in jail and interviewing her (tormenting her) at length on the nature of religion and her 'sins' through an interpreter. He wrote a book about it (Memorable Providences, which you can find at COTTON MATHER, MEMORABLE PROVIDENCES, RELATING TO WITCHCRAFTS AND POSSESSIONS The book included detailed descriptions of the torments witches can inflict on their victims.

It became a best seller in Old and New England, was read in the home of the teenage girls who started the Salem witch-trials, and is now put forward as one of the likely sources of inspiration for their fantastic accusations. Talk about the crimes of a people coming back to haunt them.

1741
    "Series of suspicious fires and reports of enslaved Africans conspiracy led to general hysteria in New York City, March and April. Thirty-one enslaved Africans and five Whites were executed." I've seen some documents on this before. It's called the "1741 Negro Conspiracy" or "New York Slave Conspiracy of 1741." The 5 whites were Irish indentured servants of the "Teague" sort. Teagues were Irish-speaking papists. You'll note that 'Teague' is still British Army slang for an Irish Catholic in Northern Ireland today.

    (Another nice reference to "Teagues" is found in the trial transcripts related to the Boston Massacre which killed Crispus Attucks (African-American), Samuel Gray, James Coldwell, Samuel Maverick, and Patrick Carr (Irish-American?). John Adams, representing the accused British soldiers, blamed the initial stone-throwing, abuse, and rabble-rousing which started the incident on Teagues in the crowd, which was no doubt accurate. Teagues were noted throughout the American colonies for their trouble-making and hatred of British authority. From Newfoundland to Barbados, the British felt they could always trust a Teague to be at the bottom of any political trouble.)

1763
    "The Berbice enslaved Africans Rebellion breaks out (at the time when Berbice was a separate Dutch colony). It begins on one estate, but soon spreads to others along the Berbice River. The revolt is the result of the cruelty with which the Dutch plantation owners have been treating the enslaved Africans, and it was led by a an enslaved African named Coffy." Although this is a Dutch colony, it's interesting to note that Coffy is an Irish Gaelic surname. Was he (or an ancestor) sold from a British colony to the Dutch?

1768
    "The Irish presence in Montserrat dates back to the 1630s, when the first pioneers -- Roman Catholics -- sailed over from St. Kitts because of friction with British Protestant settlers there. The Irish planters brought Enslaved Africans to work their sugar cane fields. Soon the enslaved Africans outnumbered them 3-to-1 and began rebelling.

In 1768, the enslaved Africans planned an island-wide attack on St. Patrick's Day, when the planters would be celebrating.... But someone leaked the plan.... Local authorities punished the enslaved Africans severely, hanging nine. Today people mix their annual celebration of shamrocks and green beer with memories of an aborted enslaved African revolt against Irish planters. The result is a Caribbean amalgam of colonial culture and African pride -- a week long fete with islanders dancing Irish jigs one night, then mocking their one-time masters the next by cracking whips and masquerading in tall hats like bishops' miters. "We are celebrating the rise of the African freedom fighters said historian Howard Fergus."

Unfortunately, the author does not note here that Montserratans know and accept that they descend from both Irish and African slaves. In fact, the shamrocks, jigs, mitres, and whips reflect a combination of pride, sorrow, and memory of both lineages. English planters soon followed Irish planters onto the island, and both groups owned Irish and African slaves. I'll bet if we researched this we'd find out that the 9 hung were Gaelic-speakers of mixed Irish/African ancestry, like most other Montserratans of the time. Most Montserratans spoke Irish Gaelic until about 1900.

About 100 years after the 1768 rebellion, a ship crewed by Irish-speaking Corkmen dropped anchor at Montserrat. At the dock, they were amazed to hear black Montserratans speaking Irish. As cordial conversation went forward between the two groups in formal Gaelic fashion, the Montserratans referred to Cork as "Corcaigh na gCuan" (Cork of the Harbors), a poetical term for Cork used by the filí (hereditary prophet-poets of the Irish nobility) which had not been in common use in Ireland since the destruction of the Gaelic social system in the 17th century. Eventually, as things loosened up a bit, it's said the Montserratans also informed the Corkmen with good humor and a straight face "Tá sé sin ait, ní fheictear mar Gaeil sibh" - "That's funny, you guys don't look Irish." This was a great hit with the Corkmen and reported widely enough among Irish speakers that eventually even I read about it.

Now the icing on the cake which I have first-hand from Eileen Zurrell, an Irish teacher and friend of ours on Long Island who used to teach at the Gerry Tobin Irish Language School until about 6-7 years ago. About 20 years ago now, a little black girl walked up to Eileen, confirmed that Eileen was an Irish teacher, and then recited a Gaelic poem taught to her by her Montserratan grandmother. Creidim uaim é, níl mé ag súgradh / Believe me, I'm not kidding.

Hope this is helpful. - Jer

http://www.scoilgaeilge.org/academics/slaves.htm
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2011, 10:20:30 PM »
A girl i know who went to a protestant school was told by her teachers that the irish catholics were even more evil than the nazi's.



 

Its amazing how quick Christians resorted to violence against themselves over shadows of shades of differences of opinion, when so much of Christian ideology is redressed paganism

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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2011, 04:59:19 AM »
I have a line of ancestry that were shipped over by the brits, probably 1600s, to help settle the virginia piedmont.  They were poor english, not irish.  This was before the jew-conceived black slave trade.  As the throne was deeding american land to the ruling class, while at the same time cleaning out the cities by force.  Who knows how many didn't survive to tell their stories.  My relatives couldn't  trace their lineages back to england, or beyond a few generations (there were no papers) but they knew that's where they came from.     
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2011, 10:00:13 PM »
My relatives couldn't  trace their lineages back to england, or beyond a few generations (there were no papers) but they knew that's where they came from.   

Thank goodness we have ancestry.com!  The subscription-based genealogy website that advertises heavily but doesn't mention Mormon/Jewish roots.  Ancestry.com precursor Infobases was co-founded by Brigham Young grad Paul Allen (not the Microsoft guy) & later the CEO was Alan Ashton, formerly a WordPerfect founder.  It all fits in with Paul Drockton's essays about LDS being infested with snakes.

LDS used to talk about how genealogy was a divine mission but despite their $$ they now decide to charge money.  LDS database supposedly created by huge volunteer effort, now it's a for-profit Wall St company.  One wonders how many records are memory-holed.

So anyway, MSM says Euro-Americans always had an easy ride unlike massively oppressed Jews.  Holohoax Inc sends info to Jews detailing their 1,000's of relatives killed at Auschwitz yet no organization does the same for Gentiles whose relatives were killed in London/Zio wars, slavery or other subjugation.  Blacks get their little reparations movement but nothing for whites.  Personally I have ancestors in both Western & Eastern Europe.  Relations were not particularly close though my French granny kept in touch with her folks back home & my Croatian uncle visited the old country once to see relatives.  At any rate nobody kept a tally of deaths thru wars & economic depression.

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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2011, 10:06:08 PM »
I have a line of ancestry that were shipped over by the brits, probably 1600s, to help settle the virginia piedmont.  They were poor english, not irish.   

I would think that the ruling class regarded everyone else as less than human, be they Irish or the poor of their own ethnicity.

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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2011, 05:55:15 PM »
I would think that the ruling class regarded everyone else as less than human, be they Irish or the poor of their own ethnicity.

We are treated like livestock.
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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2011, 10:43:31 AM »
This is the story that time (and Jews) forgot.

300,000 Irish Catholics sold as slaves.  (Proclamation 1625) 

All Other Catholics could not vote, practice law, hold political office, bear arms, Own land, lease land, inherit land, enter a trade, attend Mass, even Gaelic was banned. 

It was because England was controlled by Jews at the time and Convinced Cromwell he was a Jew and that the Irish were cattle or chattle, and not of the tribe of Dan.

Nor does any of this speak to the Genocide which was the removal of food at gunpoint of the Irish Catholics, also called the Potato famine, even though did not starve for potatoes, but food removed at gunpoint, by 200,000 British soldiers.


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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2011, 08:27:07 PM »
This is the story that time (and Jews) forgot.

Nor does any of this speak to the Genocide which was the removal of food at gunpoint of the Irish Catholics, also called the Potato famine, even though did not starve for potatoes, but food removed at gunpoint, by 200,000 British soldiers.

Ironic (?) that current Joo diet-doctors claim potatoes are virtual poison when the noble spud was the dietary staple for many millions in Ireland, Russia & other parts of Europe.  Andeans rely on their heritage potatoes (much nutritionally superior to our current potatoes).  There is a region of Japan where the staple is a form of sweet potato, those folks are known for long life-span.  I think that Joo big-ag doesn't like potatoes since they are so easy to cook & less profit margin than processed junk based on white flour.  Before the Atkins fad the Joo diet doctors were heavily pushing white pasta & bagels as ideal food.

Historians pretend that Irish reliance on the potato was a stupid monoculture mistake but downplay that Irish tenant farmers were so underpaid & abused that the potato was the only item productive enough for their small personal allotments.


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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2011, 04:50:56 PM »
Ironic (?) that current Joo diet-doctors claim potatoes are virtual poison when the noble spud was the dietary staple for many millions in Ireland, Russia & other parts of Europe.  Andeans rely on their heritage potatoes (much nutritionally superior to our current potatoes).  There is a region of Japan where the staple is a form of sweet potato, those folks are known for long life-span.  I think that Joo big-ag doesn't like potatoes since they are so easy to cook & less profit margin than processed junk based on white flour.  Before the Atkins fad the Joo diet doctors were heavily pushing white pasta & bagels as ideal food.

Historians pretend that Irish reliance on the potato was a stupid monoculture mistake but downplay that Irish tenant farmers were so underpaid & abused that the potato was the only item productive enough for their small personal allotments.



Agree 100%

Irish lived on Potatoes and a little buttermilk for fat and protein and that was enough to sustain them..

Potatoes are very healthy, a good choice for bodybuilders, especially sweet potatoes.

I look around America, and all I see are fat people, our bread-based diet is a fast death and disease recipe.


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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2011, 05:27:31 PM »
Agree 100%

Irish lived on Potatoes and a little buttermilk for fat and protein and that was enough to sustain them..

Potatoes are very healthy, a good choice for bodybuilders, especially sweet potatoes.

I look around America, and all I see are fat people, our bread-based diet is a fast death and disease recipe.

Great points.  Potatoes are also rich in vitamins and minerals.  They're the easiest thing to grow and harvest.  Fun to dig up, always a nice surprise.  Another is taro root, different type of plant but same concept.
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2011, 08:16:56 PM »
Great points.  Potatoes are also rich in vitamins and minerals.  They're the easiest thing to grow and harvest.  Fun to dig up, always a nice surprise.  Another is taro root, different type of plant but same concept.

Far from being fattening, old-time laborers who had a potato-based diet actually had to eat large quantities, up to 18 pounds per day (I guess that was for the big dudes).  I read an article once about a Peruvian Indian that came to DC for the Folklife festival.  He looked at our white potatoes & said:  "I've seen these before, we call them 'water potatoes'...they cannot sustain life".  Since the potato originated in Peru I guess theirs are better.

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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2011, 10:03:48 PM »
I read an article once about a Peruvian Indian that came to DC for the Folklife festival.  He looked at our white potatoes & said:  "I've seen these before, we call them 'water potatoes'...they cannot sustain life".  Since the potato originated in Peru I guess theirs are better.

Ummm, wasnt the topic Irish slaves?

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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2011, 11:10:23 PM »
Ummm, wasnt the topic Irish slaves?

OK, Irish potato famine wasn't until 19th C but potato was popular in Europe dating from 16th C before the epidemic of Irish slavery.  Cattle (or slave owners) pay particular attention to the feed.  & the potato famine caused many Irish to emigrate  to USA etc & provide dirt-cheap labor.  Same situation as hungry Mexicans & Salvadorans forced to emigrate to USA (often due to IMF/World Bank agriculture policies) & used by capitalists to push native-born Americans into poverty.  Sorry if this was too much for your linear-thinking.

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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2011, 05:48:34 AM »
  Sorry if this was too much for your linear-thinking.

Nice how posters complain on Zionist censorship but choose to attack others if one does not agree with them and personalise issues. One wonders if the situation would be any better with such freedom lovers in power?

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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2011, 04:04:35 PM »
My point stands.
One can LIVE on potatoes, for one hell of a long time.

Obviously, any diet must be augmented with other foods, and the Irish also lived on fish (England banned fishing by threat of death), Buttermilk, clams, and occasional meat sources like sheep or hogs.

Potatoes are rich in many vitamins and minerals, and supply enough Carbs for ones work day.  Low in protein & fat, except when fried.  But almost a complete food.

When the blight happened and Englands Jews confiscated all other livestock and grains, was when the famine occurred.
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« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2011, 06:57:28 PM »
Nice how posters complain on Zionist censorship but choose to attack others if one does not agree with them and personalise issues. One wonders if the situation would be any better with such freedom lovers in power?

I can see your point that I could have been going off-topic but I thought potatoes were germane in a tangential way.  Sometimes however I am pretty bad about going off-topic though, I admit.  However it's not as if I started posting favorite potato recipes.  After all, as I noted before there are different ways of getting slaves:  either grab them with armed gangs or use subtler ways:  enforced poverty, insufficient food supply etc.

& I suppose my comment on "linear-thinkers" was a bit snarky, I meant it to come across a bit tongue-in-cheek...I shoulda put a "wink" icon.

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« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2011, 11:06:58 PM »
I can see your point that I could have been going off-topic but I thought potatoes were germane in a tangential way.  Sometimes however I am pretty bad about going off-topic though, I admit.  However it's not as if I started posting favorite potato recipes.  After all, as I noted before there are different ways of getting slaves:  either grab them with armed gangs or use subtler ways:  enforced poverty, insufficient food supply etc.

& I suppose my comment on "linear-thinkers" was a bit snarky, I meant it to come across a bit tongue-in-cheek...I shoulda put a "wink" icon.


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« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2011, 01:50:35 PM »
Agree 100%

Irish lived on Potatoes and a little buttermilk for fat and protein and that was enough to sustain them..

Potatoes are very healthy, a good choice for bodybuilders, especially sweet potatoes.

I look around America, and all I see are fat people, our bread-based diet is a fast death and disease recipe.

Potatoes are very healthy, a necessary part of ones daily diet.

Here too Walt, far too many fat people and their kids subsequently too. 
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