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« Reply #300 on: May 21, 2011, 12:32:04 PM »

HE hadnt yet been Crucified and died,  at the behest and handsof Jewry...


Frank D. hit it spot on...

so when did He command sunday observance?

 after His death? OUTSIDE THE BIBLE?

THAT IS WHAT YOUR CHURCH DECLARED...Sunday is not in the bible but in your tradition...outside the bible...

you do realize that HIS BLOOD signed the NEW COVENANT...and changes  were changed by man outside the bible by THEIR TRADITION...

if ANY changes were made to the NEW COVENANT they have to be made BEFORE THEY WERE SIGNED...

oh they were...the terms changed were TO ALL not just JOOS..and SALVATION FROM SIN...not just romans or other enemies...and BELIEF is enough...NOT BLOOD SACRIFICE..and thus NO death FOREVER

all of these were taught and preached by Jesus PRIOR HIS death...BEFORE HE WAS KILLED FOR TEACHING THESE VERY TERM CHANGES..ironic no?

He NEVER said "oh and celebrate my resurrection on First Fruit Festival and every sunday or first day or "LORD"S DAY"  of the year.."...

that's WHY YOUR CHURCH WALT SAYS IT WAS CHANGED OUTSIDE OF SCRIPTURE AND BY TRADITION

so stop COUNTERING YOUR CHURCH...seirously WALT.... people were burned at the stake for tha sort of thing....


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« Reply #301 on: May 21, 2011, 12:46:20 PM »
 

The Pope holds the Pallium and can change whatever he wants. If he implored the consecration of the whole world to the virgin then that is the way it is.
so if he who dons the papal plumage can make any changes... why heresy? if you dont agree with any pope well he wears the feathers...and you gotta wait until it all changes back to the way you agree...

the pallium looks like a wishbone if I break it and get the bigger half do I get good luck?


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« Reply #302 on: May 21, 2011, 12:48:45 PM »
Walt's pictures speak a thousand words! How can anyone miss what has happened?

those jesuits just contnue the work of the church openly which until them was done in secret...

that is to rebuild the temple and NWO I mean new JOOrusalem...

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« Reply #303 on: May 21, 2011, 01:27:33 PM »
Ok so we are to love each other...what about GOD? Do we no longer love Him? just each other?

and  WHAT IS LOVE? seriously do you think humans would know it without example? or instruction? rules?

when you love somebody there are rules no? ever love a woman without following her rules ? ha ha ha good luck buddy...

and does she appreciate you forgetting your anniversary date?...ha ha ha...well sabbath is just that...a weekly anniversary...an anniversary of when LOVE BEGAN...when free will was created

i am sure your argument goes like this..."i know i dont keep your rules and forget our anniversary but I LOVE YOU"...yeah good luck buddy...ha ha ha

Jesus obeyed His Father's commands...what were those?...cuz its JUST AS...meaning these SAME COMMANDS KEEP US REMAINING IN THE LOVE

   "what about GOD?" By loving one another we are also loving God since we are parts of his body.

   "WHAT IS LOVE? seriously do you think humans would know it without example? or instruction? rules?"
I think we do. If we give it conscious thought we see the answers. Just listen to the wee small voice within you.

   "when you love somebody there are rules no? ever love a woman without following her rules ? ha ha ha good luck buddy..." We can love a woman and overlook her faults, frailties, and insecurities. We are born men and they women, we all have similar and different needs. They can fill the emptiness we have in us, that we are not aware of until they fill it. We are also able to help with their emptiness.  :)


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« Reply #304 on: May 21, 2011, 01:30:08 PM »
the 10 commandments are just jehovah demons's way of breaking the ice. even freemasons tell their initiates that the organization maintains the 'highest standards' of morales and ethics. only to be mindfully subverted later as you move up the ranks.

1. thou shalt not kill : kill whom jehovah don't like
2. thou shalt not commit adultery : give up bottle caps and collect wives instead
3. thou shalt not steal : steal from goyim
4. thou shalt not have any god before jehovah demon seems to be the only unfaltering doctrine celebrated by all masonic religions (christianity, judaism, islam)
Revelation 3:14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation.

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« Reply #305 on: May 21, 2011, 01:36:50 PM »
BAPTISM – The sacrament in which, by water and the word of God, a person is cleansed of all sin and reborn and sanctified in Christ to everlasting life.

Baptism is Salvific, Not Just Symbolic
wow...so the thief of the cross was not saved? or moses, or abraham?

 and just because you are baptised you are saved? and once baptised you are saved always saved?

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Matt. 28:19-20 – Jesus commands the apostles to baptize all people “in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.” Many Protestant churches are now teaching that baptism is only a symbolic ritual, and not what actually cleanses us from original sin. This belief contradicts Scripture and the 2,000 year-old teaching of the Church.
yes dont ever contradict the tradition of the church...ha ha ha

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Acts 2:38 – Peter commands them to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ in order to be actually forgiven of sin, not just to partake of a symbolic ritual.
the gift is the Holy Spirit not absolution as if the sin never occured...you make it seem like being baptised means you are now perfect and dont have to die at all...

verse 29 the promise was given to the kids/infants and to those FAR OFF...not the act of baptism...wow..maybe SLOW DOWN when you read...

baptism symbolizes desire not quarantee...how can an infant express desire and conviction to follow christ?

your church has made idolatry of it...baptism is merely a symbol and does not quarantee salvation...

your church even claims a non believer can baptise....

In fact, when the life of a person is in danger, even a non-baptized person—including someone who does not himself believe in Christ—can baptize, provided that the person performing the baptism follows the form of baptism and intends, by the baptism, to do what the Church does—

http://catholicism.about.com/od/beliefsteachings/p/Sac_Baptism.htm

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Mark 16:16 – Jesus said “He who believes AND is baptized will be saved.” Jesus says believing is not enough. Baptism is also required. This is because baptism is salvific, not just symbolic. The Greek text also does not mandate any specific order for belief and baptism, so the verse proves nothing about a “believer’s baptism.”
so just be baptised WITHOUT BELIEF?


Dont wory the JOOS didnt get it right either...

Immersion in the mikvah represents a change in status in regards to purification, restoration, and qualification for full religious participation in the life of the community, ensuring that the cleansed person will not impose uncleanness on property or its owners (Num. 19 and Babylonian Talmud, TractateChagigah, p. 12) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism

No matter how many times they washed...the insides remained dirty...just like anybody else...

only belief  and desire to obey in Jesus can change someone ACTUALLY or LITERALLY....water just washes...or drowns...

and no matter how much they change they still aint holy enough to be clean...only belief in Jesus can make you appear clean before the condemnation of the law...because ONLY HE WAS PERFECTLY CLEAN
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« Reply #306 on: May 21, 2011, 02:00:18 PM »
By loving one another we are also loving God since we are parts of his body.
and again how do you love? does it not include dont kill, dont steal, dont covet, dont bare false witness, honor your parents, dont love another god, dont forget his name remember HIS sabbath...

or just all nine except sabbath...THE SIGN OF HIS AUTHORITY cuz you want it sunday..as per tradition not LAW

 
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I think we do. If we give it conscious thought we see the answers. Just listen to the wee small voice within you.
so what need is jesus? go it alone...good luck to you..

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We can love a woman and overlook her faults, frailties, and insecurities.
can you overlook what she wants from you? as in rules manners chores etc...

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We are born men and they women, we all have similar and different needs. They can fill the emptiness we have in us, that we are not aware of until they fill it. We are also able to help with their emptiness.  :)

the ekklessia is a bride to jesus...

if he smells any other lover on us... i think the wedding is off...

IT's really off and the relationship is over  if we insist we do it becuz its OUR TRADITION...

its certainly not as HE wishes...


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« Reply #307 on: May 21, 2011, 02:05:26 PM »
the 10 commandments are just jehovah demons's way of breaking the ice. even freemasons tell their initiates that the organization maintains the 'highest standards' of morales and ethics. only to be mindfully subverted later as you move up the ranks.

1. thou shalt not kill : kill whom jehovah don't like
2. thou shalt not commit adultery : give up bottle caps and collect wives instead
3. thou shalt not steal : steal from goyim
4. thou shalt not have any god before jehovah demon seems to be the only unfaltering doctrine celebrated by all masonic religions (christianity, judaism, islam)
ummm...ok...but just cuz you tell the commandments dont mean you keep them...does it?...

yes the laws have been missused...the JOOS did it first...and kept sunday..that got them destroyed FOREVER...well until ROME RESURRETED THEM...stoopid khazars...clever romans..stoopid us for allowing it to continue

and i am sure freemasons dont keep saturday Sabbath SO THERE YA GO>>>WATCH OUT FOR LIARS AND DEMONS WHO DONT DO AS THEY SAY OR AS GOD WISHES


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