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Jews are prone to pedophilia because

   It is probably a custom they picked up in their visit to Egypt. They have a weakness for aping nobility. The royal Egyptians would supply little boy companions to their sons to deflect their interest in the little girls nearby. This cut down on bastardy. After the boys were grown their sisters were available to them, to protect the royal bloodline. It also worked to keep strangers out of the treasury. Marriages outside the family were to serve political purposes only.

   The English nobility also followed this tactic of supplying little companions to their sons. The age difference had to be great enough so that the heir could easily dominate the younger lad. Quite often this diversion of natural urges resulted in the heir preferring the alternative. This complicated their law of Primogeniture in which the eldest son became the sole heir. If he did not produce heirs all hell could break loose in disposing of the property. The Egyptians and Romans did not have this problem since they were more hot-blooded.

 

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I said the official stance of the catholic church is against pedophilia...and you say I am lying? ha ha ha

I said protestants do evil too..and you say I am lying?...ha ha ha

just this past sunday in the paper the catholic league took out a full page ad trying to whitewash...

included was the argument that most of the boys were post pubescent therefore it was an issue of homosexuality not pedophilia...

   "the official stance of the catholic church is against pedophilia" is true. It is a civil matter rather than a religious one. In Judaism/Christianity not one of the Ten Commandments forbid pedophilia or homosexuality. They are not new activities, they existed in Moses' time, but Jehovah took no notice of them in his Commandments.

   As we advanced in Civilization we made civil laws to assist in bringing us up from our animal-like state. In the early days, after the Ice Age, tribes competed with one another for fertile land. The larger tribe was usually the more powerful. Homosexuality stunted the growth of the tribe and became antisocial and criminal. In earlier times pedophilia was a survival tactic of children to prevent their exclusion from the table. Why should scarce resources be shared with them if they were useless. When we left the hunter gatherer stage and went into farming, food was no longer as scarce. Children became more useful in the farming and caring for livestock, which gave them some value. It became the custom to care for children. Cruelty to children and animals became looked upon as uncivilized behavior. Civil laws were enacted to prevent such behavior. The laws had the same power as the Commandments.

   Today the condemnation of of pedophilia comes from the affect it has on stunting the psychological growth of the child. With boys it is the danger of: "As the twig is bent, the tree will grow". Homosexuality is not a desired state. The case of the girls is different. It is damaging when a young girl is prematurely awakened before she is ready, in our civilization, to breed. It is bad for our advancement into an even more civilized state. That is why the Jews advocate the degrading of our morals. Their aim is to return us into a subservient herdlike state. This is why we see bikinis on little girls.

 
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   In Judaism/Christianity not one of the Ten Commandments forbid pedophilia or homosexuality. They are not new activities, they existed in Moses' time, but Jehovah took no notice of them in his Commandments.

that may be true in a literal way but the levitical laws were pretty clear on whose nakedness we should not uncover...

and were also given by Jehovah because these acts were indeed occuring...

but some argue that these laws were abolished at the cross

so have at it... :)
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Of course slavery is legit, just look where they end up without it

menstrual matter: dont knock it til youve tried it.

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=9099

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and not just the JOOOOOOOOOS...ha ha ha

good thing there arent any catholic joos.


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The civil war was a jewish orchestrated event

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and the coffers in Rome were filled by monies collected from the seven hills? ha

indulgences and taxes were spent where they were extracted? ha ha
st paul's and all the crusades were funded  from vatican bake sales and bingo in its basement? ha ha ha
your cobbett was blind...
I said the official stance of the catholic church is against pedophilia...and you say I am lying? ha ha ha

I said protestants do evil too..and you say I am lying?...ha ha ha
just this past sunday in the paper the catholic league took out a full page ad trying to whitewash...
included was the argument that most of the boys were post pubescent therefore it was an issue of homosexuality not pedophilia...

so NOW its ok?...ha ha ha
and you exemplify your church better than defend her...

now what of
catholic supreme court justices overturning states and upholding slavery as did Taney in Dred Scott?
or Davis being rejected admission to the church...too obvious a catholic attacking the union?
or the pope being the only european representative to recognize the rebs?

or all the money from catholic city of london and french jesuits to invest in america being torn apart?
dumping millions of catholic immigrants and america is different and torn apart...
and the supreme court corporate statist 6 catholics and 3 joos...



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just this past sunday in the paper the catholic league took out a full page ad trying to whitewash...
included was the argument that most of the boys were post pubescent therefore it was an issue of homosexuality not pedophilia...

Thats correct. 
Pre Pubescent is Pedophilia.  Post Pubescent is Homosexuality.
There is a vast difference.  Jews know all about it.  See Capturing  the Friedmans.
A Jewish run Daycare and they molested 400+ children, mostly pre pubescent Males.
Filmed it, caught by the Postmaster.


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now what of
catholic supreme court justices overturning states and upholding slavery as did Taney in Dred Scott?

Taney’s decision was not wrong, so much in that it was a decision made according to the US Constitution.
The real fault, as it usually does, lies with Congress for not facing the issue. Americans need to understand that Taney had no choice; he had to up hold the US Constitution, even as repugnant as slavery was.

The left continues too re-write history to suit its agenda. But until we teach the truth we will have the same mixed responses from Catholics as well as all Americans.


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indulgences and taxes were spent where they were extracted? ha ha
10% TO God is what is written. The Church implores that. And has done more to care for the sick, infirmed, elderly and needy than any organization in the world.


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st paul's and all the crusades were funded  from vatican bake sales and bingo in its basement? ha ha ha
Crusades fought off Muslim Saracens and attempted to recapture Church lands.
How are wars (Protestant Wasps and Jew Wars) funded today?


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your cobbett was blind...
No, just an honest, unbiased researcher and writer.



Catholic Health Care and Social Services

Catholic health and social service organizations have a long tradition of service in the United States, dating back to New Orleans in 1727 when 12 French Ursuline sisters arrived in the city and became nurses, teachers, and servants of the poor and orphans.

Catholic Charities is the BIGGEST private charity in the U.S. and the world as a whole.

The combined revenue of the Catholic Charities network from all sources, public and private, was $2.69 billion in 2000.
Nearly 90 percent of these funds were spent on programs and services, making the Catholic Charities network one of the country's most efficient charities.


The Catholic Church runs the largest network of private schools in the United States
42,271 priests / 5,252 brothers / 67,773 sisters

573 Catholic hospitals treated 84.7 million patients in 2005

6,511 elementary schools and 1,354 high schools, with over 2.5 million students enrolled

231 Catholic colleges and universities with a total of 763,757 students

The individual parish itself is a font of charity work. Priests help the local homeless. Provide shelter. Provide food. Provide education for children.

http://www.catholiccharitiesusa.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=1174


in 2008 catholic charities spent about $4 Billion dollars on services to the poor and needy.

http://www.catholiccharitiesusa.org/NetCommunity/Document.Doc?id=1924
What did athiest organizations do?






Shillstein,
You have thrown out over 10 separate issues that you ask me to deal with.
I will not indulge you, youre the King of disinfo and hijacking threads.
Stop doing it.
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For Jews like Clefty and other Chruch detractors, its fun to point out that the Catholic Church and her members make up the largest Charitable Institution in the world.



The Catholic Church is indeed the largest charitable organization
on the planet by far.

Go to the following Forbes article.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/14/Revenue_1.html

If you go down and select all of the Catholic organizations the amount is astounding.
 Adding up just Catholic Charities, Food for the Poor, Catholic Relief Services, St. Jude's, and America's Second Harvest alone total $5,570,000,000, which is greater than #1 on the list for America.

Keep going down the list and you find Father Flanagan's homes, Catholic Medical Mission Board, Covenant House, and more.
Add the thousands of other charities, from Missionaries to the Poor, Amigos for Christ, soup kitchens, homeless shelters, to religious orders (like Missionaries of Charity) and thousands upon thousands of individual parishes across the globe who often do their work in anonymity, and you will see some of the charitable works of the Catholic Church.

In the Business Week article below, scroll down to “charities”.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/02_15/b3778004.htm


Game, set,  Mazel Tov
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For Jews like Clefty and other Chruch detractors, its fun to point out that the Catholic Church and her members make up the largest Charitable Institution in the world.

The Catholic Church is indeed the largest charitable organization
on the planet by far.

Game, set,  Mazel Tov

nobody said the church was poor or wasnt the world's largest global corporation...JOOS wouldnt care to run it if it wasnt..is it really that fun to point out that all that wealth and power is in JOOS hands?

now back to the catholic involvement in the south

Robert E. Lee is known to have remarked that Pius was “the South’s only true friend in her time of need.”

http://www.assemblyjournal.com/2011/02/vatican-scorecard-american-civil-war-edition/

The Pope's poison pen letter caused massive Roman Catholic desertions from the Union army

http://www.reformation.org/lincoln.html

These CONfederates were very anxious to fulfill the Bull of Pope Alexander VI and annex the U.S. to Mexico. Their new king or emperor was to be Maximilian of Austria.

http://www.reformation.org/confederate-states.html

that the Church must also seek forgiveness for “concrete acts” during the strife-torn period. “On many occasions we have reasons to thank God for what was done and for the people who acted, [but] probably in other moments. . . we should ask for forgiveness and change direction,” Ricardo Blázquez, the Bishop of Bilbao, told the conference.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2903720.ece

oops my bad that's a different civil war the vatican orchestrated...the spanish civil war...

here back to the american civil war...

“The average Christian student of American History is unaware of how close Leo's [Pope Leo's] predecessor [Pope Pius IX] came to dissolving the Union [the United States of America] during the Civil War years.

The papacy's desire to convert the whole of America to Catholicism was well known by many in the nineteenth century. It is a significant fact that the first shot in the American Civil War was fired at Fort Sumter by the Roman Catholic Pierre Beauregard. And it is a significant fact that every man connected with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln was a Roman Catholic. Unfortunately, most historians today rarely, if ever, mention the fact that Rome, through the Jesuits and other secret oath-bound organizations –Knights of the Golden Circle, Order of American Knights, Son's of Liberty– advised and directed the leaders of the southern states throughout this period.

http://www.angelfire.com/la2/prophet1/vaticanpolicy1.html

but its about the jooooos...ha ha ha...

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nobody said the church was poor or wasnt the world's largest global corporation...JOOS wouldnt care to run it if it wasnt..is it really that fun to point out that all that wealth and power is in JOOS hands?

now back to the catholic involvement in the south

Robert E. Lee is known to have remarked that Pius was “the South’s only true friend in her time of need.”

http://www.assemblyjournal.com/2011/02/vatican-scorecard-american-civil-war-edition/

The Pope's poison pen letter caused massive Roman Catholic desertions from the Union army

http://www.reformation.org/lincoln.html

These CONfederates were very anxious to fulfill the Bull of Pope Alexander VI and annex the U.S. to Mexico. Their new king or emperor was to be Maximilian of Austria.

http://www.reformation.org/confederate-states.html

that the Church must also seek forgiveness for “concrete acts” during the strife-torn period. “On many occasions we have reasons to thank God for what was done and for the people who acted, [but] probably in other moments. . . we should ask for forgiveness and change direction,” Ricardo Blázquez, the Bishop of Bilbao, told the conference.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2903720.ece

oops my bad that's a different civil war the vatican orchestrated...the spanish civil war...

here back to the american civil war...

“The average Christian student of American History is unaware of how close Leo's [Pope Leo's] predecessor [Pope Pius IX] came to dissolving the Union [the United States of America] during the Civil War years.

The papacy's desire to convert the whole of America to Catholicism was well known by many in the nineteenth century. It is a significant fact that the first shot in the American Civil War was fired at Fort Sumter by the Roman Catholic Pierre Beauregard. And it is a significant fact that every man connected with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln was a Roman Catholic. Unfortunately, most historians today rarely, if ever, mention the fact that Rome, through the Jesuits and other secret oath-bound organizations –Knights of the Golden Circle, Order of American Knights, Son's of Liberty– advised and directed the leaders of the southern states throughout this period.

http://www.angelfire.com/la2/prophet1/vaticanpolicy1.html

but its about the jooooos...ha ha ha...

It is unfortunate the South did not win the war...States rights would not have been Usurped and there would be no Federal Reserve.


The rest of your arguments are typical...Circular Jew Bullsh*t

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mcdonalds gives a lot of grants too. what blessing!
Revelation 3:14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation.

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It is unfortunate the South did not win the war...States rights would not have been Usurped and there would be no Federal Reserve.


The rest of your arguments are typical...Circular Jew Bullsh*t

so you wish slavery would be upheld which fits corporatist ideals...your church's goal

and as for the federal reserve....right....no fed? ha ha ha what else would mask the vatican's tyranny?

as if the vatican has nothing to do with the establishment of the FED...ha ha ha...you are a silly man

you say yourself the JOO runs your church...rothschild et al...

you do a much better job exemplifying your corporate state not defending it...

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so you wish slavery would be upheld which fits corporatist ideals...your church's goal

and as for the federal reserve....right....no fed? ha ha ha what else would mask the vatican's tyranny?

as if the vatican has nothing to do with the establishment of the FED...ha ha ha...you are a silly man

you say yourself the JOO runs your church...rothschild et al...

you do a much better job exemplifying your corporate state not defending it...


The Civil war was not about Abolition, we have established that after 4 pages.

If you remove your hed from your ass, you might also see that.

Not one nation in Europe, where the Church reigned, Practiced Slavery.

Jesus warned us about Jews, Not the Church or the Vatican or Muslims.
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Clefty,

Since you threw out the Pedophile word, could you comment on this police bust of the largest Pedophile Ring in History, headed by a Jew?


Global Pedophile Ring Busted, Police Say

By JOHN W. MILLER

THE HAGUE—Europol said Wednesday it broke up the largest international ring of pedophiles ever uncovered, a network that was allegedly centered on an Internet child pornography forum with 70,000 members across the globe, including in the U.S., the U.K. and Australia.

At the center was a website set up in the early 2000s and run out of the Netherlands, authorities said. The site allegedly exploited legal loopholes to protect its owners and members from prosecution.

Free-speech laws allow people to write what they want, so some websites "use house rules to keep themselves below the threshold of the law," said Rob Wainwright, the director of Europol, in an interview.

The "threshold" varies by country, Europol officials said, but this pedophile website's rules were set as strictly as possible so it was, on the face of it, illegal nowhere. The website was a forum for discussion around certain themes and prohibited "insults or threats" and "sexual descriptions," authorities said.

The challenge for law enforcement, Mr. Wainwright said, was to catch pedophiles setting up trades of illegal pictures or stories of abuse.

Law-enforcement professionals described the investigation, which began in 2007, as a significant breakthrough for international police cooperation, which has become increasingly essential to combat international criminal networks operating on the Web. Europol is the alliance of the Europe's police forces.

In 2008, Dutch police seized the server used to operate the website, and its administrator, a Dutchman named Amir Ish-Hurwitz, now 37 years old. He pleaded guilty on Tuesday in a court in Amsterdam and will be sentenced to between three and five years in prison, according to police.

Between 2008 and 2010, Europol brought in other police forces. One of the first was the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency, which joined the effort in June 2008.

Investigators at Europol, a Hague-based organization with a staff of 662 and an annual budget of €68.5 million ($95.4 million), decoded the list of IP addresses that had logged on to the website. Using an open-source program shared by authorities internationally, they ended up with a list of some 70,000 members, living all over the world.

Many of the 70,000, it turned out, were protected by free-speech laws. Authorities said they were considering filing charges against 670 of them.

The scale of the operation "broke new ground," said Peter Davies, a U.K. police chief who leads that country's Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre. "These offenders felt anonymous, but everything they did online was tracked using the digital footprint."

Investigators frequently posed as kids. "Children should be careful because they don't always know who they're talking to online—but predators also don't always know who they're talking to," said Mr. Davies.

Police have arrested 184, mostly for cases of serious sexual molestation.

The investigation has proceeded fastest in the U.K., where 121 people have been arrested. Some are teachers and bus drivers, others are students and lawyers. One is 84. Another is a woman.

"There is no typical profile," said Cesar Lorenzana, an investigator with the Guardia Civil in Spain, where 17 people have been arrested.

Some were already known to the public, including John McMurdo, an English scoutmaster found guilty of possessing child porn, and Lee Palmer, who abused two young boys. Both have been sentenced to jail terms. Police said 230 child victims had been identified during the investigation, and parents and authorities had been alerted.

It takes only a Google search to learn that there are other pedophile networks. "We know that, but this is the biggest one so far," Mr. Wainwright said. "The investigation is continuing, and there will be a lot more people arrested."
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The civil war was about jews gaining control of America.
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"That the Southern people literally were put to the torture is vaguely understood, but even historians have shrunk from the unhappy task of showing us the torture chambers.......  Brutal men, inspired by personal ambition or party motives, assumed the pose of philanthropists and patriots, and thus deceived and misguided vast number of well-meaning people in the North....

"In the autumn of 1866, and through the winter and summer of 1867 strange men from the North were flocking into the black belt of the South, and mingling familiarly with the negroes, day and night.......  Left to themselves, the negroes would have turned for leadership to the native whites, who understood them best. This was the danger. Imperative, then, that they should be taught to hate -- and teachers of hate were plentiful. ... Over the plantations these agents wandered, seeking the negroes in their cabins, and halting them at their labors in the fields, and the simple-minded freedmen were easy victims of their guile...   Orators were needed as well as organizers, for open agitation was as essential as quiet management, and soon the lowest types of the abandoned whites were being sent into the South to arouse the passions of the negroes with incendiary speeches....."

Last week marked the 146th anniversary of the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. Was he really killed by vengeful Southerners?



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"That [Andrew] Johnson was maligned by his enemies because he was seeking honestly to carry out the conciliatory and wise policy of Lincoln is now generally understood, but even now few realize how intensely Lincoln was hated by the Radicals at the time of his death."

Hmmm. Lincoln was "intensely hated" by the Radical Republicans, who then benefit immensely when a Southern stage actor named John Wilkes Booth decides to kill him. The film Birth of a Nation makes clear that the South knew Lincoln was their only friend of any stature. Why did Booth & Co. wait to kill him until after the war war was over? Booth never got to explain this, as he was conveniently killed -- like Lee Harvey Oswald -- before he could explain anything to anyone.

Lincoln is killed and his successor Johnson cannot stem the Radical program of plunder and degradation of the South through negro suffrage and intimidation, backed by federal bayonets. Lincoln's assassination thus is a disaster for those who supposedly carried it out, and a boon to their enemies.

Lincoln's killing has been compared with Kennedy's, but the real analogy is with Patton's mysterious death in occupied Germany in 1945. Patton, like Lincoln, proposed dignified treatment of the defeated enemy. With Patton out of the way, the rape and pillage of Germany is guaranteed.

[Quotations from "The Tragic Era: The Revolution After Lincoln," by Claude Bowers (1929)]


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John Wilkes Booth was a jew

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John Wilkes Booth was a jew

Rothschild Mason Henchman..

Lincoln introduced Greenbacks,....interest free, debt currency, Rather than borrow from the  European Banks via Rothschild and Salmon Chase (who instituted the first income tax in America).




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Jesus warned us about Jews, Not the Church or the Vatican or Muslims.

really? ha ha ha  He's actually quite specific...

Matt 24: 24 "For false christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to deceive if possible, even the elect..."

Ironically this is just after Jesus foretells the time of the end and that Sabbath will be observed verse 20

what do false christs do? play vicar...and make changes...like from sabbath to sunday...and lots of other deceptions...

like civil wars are not about freedom or slavery...or that slavery is  just about blacks in the south...

no Joo or Muslim or Protestant I know follows one who stands in the place of christ...who seeks to enslave us to idolatry and the worship of oh yeah false christs...


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Clefty,

Since you threw out the Pedophile word, could you comment on this police bust of the largest Pedophile Ring in History, headed by a Jew?

But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Matt 18:6

that applies to all....catholic prostestant joo muslim hindu etc

by the way I consider abuse by deception and false teachings worse than physical harm as the body can recover but a lost soul never does...


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Rothschild Mason Henchman..

Lincoln introduced Greenbacks,....interest free, debt currency, Rather than borrow from the  European Banks via Rothschild and Salmon Chase (who instituted the first income tax in America).

and who protected and assisted moneyed joos in europe to arrive at such lofty financial heights...and who runs the church now?...and why does the vatican bank hide behind the mask of the federal reserve?

the church as you pointed out is the richest global corporation...it knows all about taxes

and civil wars...irish, american, spanish, yugoslavian...to name a few
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