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John Paul the Great
« on: December 23, 2010, 07:17:44 AM »
For Roscoe

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John Paul the Great

http://www.ascension-research.org/Pope-John-Paul-the-Great.html#6

In Crossing the Threshold of Hope (Knopf:1994), Pope John Paul II wrote that "Salvation and Divinization" are the "ultimate purpose" of man's life: "The Divinization of man comes from God" (p. l95). He also directed (along with Cardinal Ratzinger - now Pope Benedict XVI) the first revision of the Catechism of the Catholic Church in 400 years, quoting St. Athanasius and St. Thomas Aquinas, and declaring, "The Word became flesh to make us 'partakers of the Divine Nature': 'For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving Divine Sonship, might become a Son of God.' 'For the Son of God became man so that we might become God.' 'The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in His Divinity, assumed our nature, so that He, made man, might make men Gods.'" 6

The Catechism of the Catholic Church Promulgated by Pope John Paul II ; Part 1, Section 2, Chapter 2, Article 3, Paragraph 1, SubSection 1 (paragraph 460)

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Re: John Paul the Great
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2011, 07:29:33 PM »
What am I suppose to do with this?

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Re: John Paul the Great
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2011, 07:48:31 PM »
What am I suppose to do with this?

Why not do what I did and read about the man and his church.  JP-II was great.  This goes really deep and takes alot of reading.  It goes deeper than my understanding.  I have read enough to know that the secrets of the Vatican go very deep and are very real.  There is both darkness and light inside of the Vatican.  JP-II was part of its light.
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Re: John Paul the Great
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2011, 05:57:25 AM »
What am I suppose to do with this?

Rejoice!

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Re: John Paul the Great
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2011, 06:04:51 AM »
Rejoice!

I would like to ask the Pope what he thinks of Ezekial 4;12

And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.

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Re: John Paul the Great
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2011, 01:55:20 AM »
I would like to ask the Pope what he thinks of Ezekial 4;12

And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.


He would probably think... "Bio fuel"  In india for example it is quite common to use cow dung as fuel for fires to cook on.

"Ezek 4: 15 Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith."

perhaps it's also the origin of the phrase "tastes like shit"
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Re: John Paul the Great
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2011, 03:54:30 AM »
He would probably think... "Bio fuel"  In india for example it is quite common to use cow dung as fuel for fires to cook on.

"Ezek 4: 15 Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith."

perhaps it's also the origin of the phrase "tastes like shit"

I was working in Detroit or Ohio, cant remember, when that pizza guy delivered a pie with his own feces on it to someone, but this is ridiculous. Not only are we (or someone) supposed to crap on the barley cakes, but do it in front of them too. I have a feeling the guests may not want them after seeing this, but what do I know? This is bad for the delivery drivers.

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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2011, 07:38:41 AM »
He would probably think... "Bio fuel"  In india for example it is quite common to use cow dung as fuel for fires to cook on.

"Ezek 4: 15 Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith."

perhaps it's also the origin of the phrase "tastes like shit"

Tandoois are made of cow dung and food is cooked in them, and the fuel used to fuel them is cows dung because mans dung doesn't burn for $#*!



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Re: John Paul the Great
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2011, 05:35:14 PM »
From: John-Paul the Great

Pope John-Paul II was the first Pope in history to visit a synagogue.  Under his leadership, the Vatican officially recognized the State of Israel and during his visit to Israel, the Pope prayed at the Western Wall.  As a sign of respect for the Jewish custom of placing prayers within the stones of the wall, the Pope inserted the following prayer, a copy of which is on display at Yad Vashem in Israel: 

“God of our fathers, you chose Abraham and his descendants to bring your Name to the nations.  We are deeply saddened by the behavior of those who in the course of history have caused these children of yours to suffer, and asking your forgiveness, we wish to commit ourselves to genuine brotherhood with the people of the Covenant.”


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Re: John Paul the Great
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2011, 09:22:27 PM »
From: John-Paul the Great

Pope John-Paul II was the first Pope in history to visit a synagogue.  Under his leadership, the Vatican officially recognized the State of Israel and during his visit to Israel, the Pope prayed at the Western Wall.  As a sign of respect for the Jewish custom of placing prayers within the stones of the wall, the Pope inserted the following prayer, a copy of which is on display at Yad Vashem in Israel: 

“God of our fathers, you chose Abraham and his descendants to bring your Name to the nations.  We are deeply saddened by the behavior of those who in the course of history have caused these children of yours to suffer, and asking your forgiveness, we wish to commit ourselves to genuine brotherhood with the people of the Covenant.”

I remember that visit and found it most peculiar at the time. I did not know anything about Vatican II then.
Of course so has Ratzinger. When tool Merkel did her bows, Germans (those who remember WWII)
must have been perplexed.

"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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Re: John Paul the Great
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2011, 09:44:16 PM »
From: John-Paul the Great

Pope John-Paul II was the first Pope in history to visit a synagogue.  Under his leadership, the Vatican officially recognized the State of Israel and during his visit to Israel, the Pope prayed at the Western Wall.  As a sign of respect for the Jewish custom of placing prayers within the stones of the wall, the Pope inserted the following prayer, a copy of which is on display at Yad Vashem in Israel: 

“God of our fathers, you chose Abraham and his descendants to bring your Name to the nations.  We are deeply saddened by the behavior of those who in the course of history have caused these children of yours to suffer, and asking your forgiveness, we wish to commit ourselves to genuine brotherhood with the people of the Covenant.”



That leaves Catholic dissenters, like Bishop Williams, to be interesting.
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Re: John Paul the Great
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2011, 11:28:29 PM »
"Pope John-Paul II was the first Pope in history to visit a synagogue"

So?  Good for him.  JPII knew the score.  Which is the morally correct, JPII visiting a synagogue or not one U.S. Prez. visiting Iran.  JP wants peace, that's all.
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2011, 06:30:44 PM »
That leaves Catholic dissenters, like Bishop Williams, to be interesting.

If U are speaking of the alleged bishop Williamson, you should know that he believes the anti-pope Benedict to be the true pope and he is therefore not a dissenter at all. This is the position of the phony and missnamed order that he belongs to -- SSPX

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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2011, 07:11:57 PM »
If U are speaking of the alleged bishop Williamson, you should know that he believes the anti-pope Benedict to be the true pope and he is therefore not a dissenter at all. This is the position of the phony and missnamed order that he belongs to -- SSPX

Who made Benedict the "anti-pope"?
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2011, 08:22:14 PM »
While it is of course true that no formal declaration of Benedict as an anti-pope has been declared by any legitimate Church authority, I personally am betting on it. Historically, formal declarations of anti-pope dont come until legitimate Authority is restored to Rome.

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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2011, 07:10:47 PM »
JPII did do a lot of things that caused scandal to the faithful, such as kissing to Koran and that whole Assisi affair.  However, I don't think anyone would deny that personally the man had great sanctity.  When you read his writings, there is nothing unorthodox in them.  I wouldn't go so far as to call him an anti-pope, that determination would have to be made by competant church authorities. 

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« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2011, 11:53:19 PM »
I would like to ask the Pope what he thinks of Ezekial 4;12

And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.


That's why choosey father's like myself only serve Ezekial 4:9



Mel, I just want to say you make me laugh more than anyone I've ever met on the internet. And you know you misquoted that particular verse, don't you? It really states: And thou shalt eat it as barley bread baked under the ashes: and thou shalt cover it, in their sight, with the dung that cometh out of a man. And if memory serves, I believe it was to hide it during a coming famine.

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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2011, 05:54:13 AM »
"Pope John-Paul II was the first Pope in history to visit a synagogue"

So?  Good for him.  JPII knew the score.  Which is the morally correct, JPII visiting a synagogue or not one U.S. Prez. visiting Iran.  JP wants peace, that's all.

A long time ago, I thought this way, but came to see the errors of my ways.

It wasnt about peace, its about control and who is in charge.
When Jews push for a Pope to be Sainted, as we are seeing now, and give their Kosher stamp of approval,  you KNOW he was their boy and Shabbos Goy.

His public heresies were too many to count.  Synagogues, Kissing Korans etc.  This is The Leader Of the Christian Church and supposedly the Christian World...
His damage to the Faith and the Faithful was untold.  That is why we dont recognize him as a valid Pope but an Anti Pope.

If one uses Tradition as a comparison, JP2 was surely a modernist heretic and wolf in sheeps clothing.
I dont think Ratzinger is any better.  I dont say that to be hurtful to any Catholics here, but I say it out of my contempt for what they are doing to the Faith and the Faithful.
I dont see any Israeli condemnations, any Central Bank condemnations, any Biirth control public condemnations, any Excommunications for Neo Con War Mongers and public heretics..
Its just a circus..Jews are in Charge and their puppets do the work, that is why we resist them to their face.
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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2011, 12:46:44 PM »
"I dont see any Israeli condemnations, any Central Bank condemnations, any Biirth control public condemnations, any Excommunications for Neo Con War Mongers and public heretics.."

That would create discord, making things worse.  Thoughts create.

"Therefore, evil and malicious lies can kill anything that is good, if they are strong enough and repeated often enough. But, conversely, seeking for the good in evil will, in time, transmute the evil into good. If the form that is built to minimize the evil is weak, it will have no effect and will be destroyed by the evil form, but if it is strong and frequently repeated it will have the effect of disintegrating the evil and substituting the good. That effect, be it distinctly understood, it not brought about by lying, nor denying the evil, but by looking for the good."

"There is a story of Christ which illustrates this point. Once when walking with His disciples they passed the decaying and ill-smelling carcass of a dog. The disciples turned in disgust, commenting upon the nauseating nature of this sight; but Christ looked at the dead body and said "Pearls are not whiter than its teeth." He was determined to find the good, because He knew the beneficial effect which would result in the Desire World from giving it expression. "

http://www.rosicrucian.com/rcc/rcceng01.htm#par62

(Ephesians 6:12)
“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]”.

Swing at the evil aliens by sending some sugar to the Chosen.

Though Jesus could remain silent, he chose to speak. "If I answer you will not believe me, and if I ask you questions you will not answer me."

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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2011, 03:37:40 PM »

Pope John Paul II to be beatified May 1, 2011



Pope Benedict XVI signed a decree on Friday attributing a miracle to the intercession of the Venerable Servant of God, Pope John Paul II, clearing the way for his beatification, which is to take place this coming May 1st.
The Prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, Cardinal Angelo Amato, shared more details about the Decree and the coming beatification with the director of Vatican Radio’s Italian section, Roberto Piermarini.

RP: Your Eminence, the Pope has approved the publication of certain decrees on three miracles, one martyrdom and the heroic virtues of five Servants of God. Among all of these, there stands out the decree on the miracle attributed to the intercession of the Venerable John Paul II. Which scenarios are open now?

Cardinal Amato: Certainly, the decree on the miraculous cure of Sister Marie Simon Pierre Normand, attributed to the intercession of the great Pope a few months after his death, is what will most resound in the Church and the world, owing to the great reputation for sanctity enjoyed by Pope John Paul II. This decree opens the way for his beatification, which will take place in Rome this coming May 1, the first Sunday after Easter: Divine Mercy Sunday.

RP: Can you tell us about the course that the cause of the great Pope has taken?

Cardinal Amato: I must say that this case had two facilitations. The first concerns the Papal dispensation of the 5-year waiting period before opening a cause, and the second was the placing of the cause on a “fast track” that by-passed the waiting list. There were, however, no corners cut with regard to the rigor and accuracy of procedure. The case was treated like any other, following all the steps prescribed by the law of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints. On the contrary, if I may speak further to one of my first observations: precisely in order to honor the dignity and the memory of this great Pope, to avoid any doubt and overcome any difficulties, the case was subjected to particularly careful scrutiny.

RP: What more can you tell us about the miracle?

Cardinal Amato: The miracle is the cure of French Sister Marie Simon Pierre from Parkinson’s. The disease was diagnosed in 2001 by her physician and by other specialists. Sister received proper treatment, which was not, however, apt to cure the disease, but only to attenuate her pain. At the news of the death of Pope John Paul II, who had suffered from the same disease, Sister Marie and her companions began to invoke the deceased Pontiff, asking him for healing. On June 2, 2005, tired and overwhelmed by the pain, Sister Marie made her intention to be released from professional work known to her religious superior. Her superior, however, invited Sister Marie to trust in the intercession of John Paul II. Sister Marie then retired for the night, which she passed quietly. On awakening she felt healed. Her pains had disappeared, and she felt no stiffness in her joints. It was June 3, 2005, the Feast of the Sacred Heart of Jesus. Sister Marie immediately interrupted her medical treatment and saw her doctor, who could only confirm that Sister Marie had been healed.

RP: There are other figures in the list today [Friday]?

Cardinal Amato: In addition to Pope John Paul II, there is a figure of great cultural significance: Prof. Giuseppe Toniolo, a father, professor of Economics at the University of Pisa and a great exponent of Italian social Catholicism; there is the moving story of the brutal martyrdom of five Bosnian Catholic women religious of Institute of the Daughters of Divine Charity, who were killed in hatred of the faith simply because they were engaged in the rescue of children and the poor. The beatification of these servants of God, and also of the venerable Mother Antonia Maria Verna, foundress of the Institute of Charity of the Immaculate Conception of Ivrea, is imminent.

RP: Regarding the other Decrees?

Cardinal Amato: The other decrees concern the heroic virtues of the Sicilian Antonio Franco, Prelate of St. Lucia del Mela, the German Francis Mary of the Cross Jordan, founder of the Salvatorians, the American priest Nelson Baker; the Spanish adolescent, Faustino Pérez-Manglaro, postulant of the Society of Mary; finally, the Brazilian Beguine Francesca de Paola of Jesus, who spent her life in prayer and the exercise of charity toward the poor. They are all fascinating figures whose reputation for holiness is widespread in their countries of origin, who offer examples of gospel witness that are extremely relevant to our contemporary world.

http://www.radiovaticana.org/EN1/Articolo.asp?c=454164

This also happens to be Divine Mercy Sunday.

I found this video of JPII
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LQDaRZKzU0