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WTC7, ISS. Moon landing hoax and more....
« on: December 19, 2010, 10:13:26 PM »

Most of you wonder why I study the things I do and believe the way I do? Well here's some good evidenceof that what I believe about world politics (controlled by the corporate elite) is in fact a reality, and is Australia's and the rest of the world's real enemy but especially so in America.

Spirituality is also a reality, and there is good evidence to support that fact too ... but the majority here are so blindsided by the media and 'organized' religion that they are afraid to face the subject with head and heart and it is imperitive to their future that they do so. Being distracted by current or even past distractions is not the way to our future peace and happiness.

I love all of mankind regardless of race colour or creed and I need to tell everyone to "Love the children" and care for the innocent civilians everywhere. I don't consider Man'kind' includes the Superus Eligere (the ruling elite).

These are a few facts I have come across recently and although some of you would have seen some of them before it's a good start to a post I'm struggling to put together to explain humanity and our spirituality from our beginning to the end.

Please!  study the ISS subject thoroughly and try to grasp the importance of this project in it's implications for our futures.

Watch the BBC reporter stand in front of the Salomon building (WTC7) while the UK based announcer questions her about the collapse of the building BEFORE it collapses, totally unaware that the building is in full view behind her and still standing. The reason I offer this one is the fract that when people discuss 9/11 they rarely if ever refer to WTC7 as "The Salomon Building" http://www.nndb.com/company/643/000052487/

 Here's the BBC report on 9/11 reporting the collapse of wtc7 Before it collasped:
http://www.wtc7.net/bbc.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s&feature=related

Watch the video of A War Veteran Speaks The Truth.....This one made me cry because the people who are anti refugees have not been made aware of the truth of war and how those refugees are 'created' by our ruling elite for the sake of more 'gross' (as in repulsive) profits.
http://brianhaw.tv/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=35&Itemid=41

There was a film on SBS TV last night ("Big, Bigger, Biggest") about the ISS (nicknamed by the crew and builders as ISIS, http://www.goddessgift.com/goddess-myths/egyptian_goddess_isis.htm ) which proves beyond a boubt that the moon landing was impossible in 1969, and proves my theory of the real reason of WHY the International Space Station is being built.' ... at the "official" cost of $100 Billion (but probably more likely double that)

http://www.sbs.com.au/schedule/SBSONE/2010-12-18/SBS%20Sydney

SBS 7:30 Sat 18th Dec.
Big, Bigger, Biggest
Space Station - This program reveals the technological leaps forward that have enabled the world's biggest space station - the International Space Station - to be built. The International Space Station orbits 200 miles above our heads, hurtling around the Earth at seventeen and a half thousand miles an hour. It is one of the greatest engineering feats of all time. The film explores how the space station was made possible through a series of five engineering breakthroughs. Using CGI animation, it reveals the incredible stories behind previous space stations and the inventions that have pushed the boundaries of science. (From the UK) (Entertainment Series) (class tba) CC WS

Faked moon landing Sorry if these have been posted before but they are worth repeating

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wym04J_3Ls0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQj-Mh__fRc&feature=related

And here is the Austalian eqivalent of 9/11       

"DECEIT AND TERRORISM"
The massacre at Port Arthur
Details of a terrorist attack on Australian soil with protection from Australian Governments
by Andrew MacGregor

SEE NEXUS MAGAZINE REVIEW
50 Unanswered question about Port Arthur
(ex USA web site)

Prelude.
A policeman's lot is not a happy one, so says the old Gilbert and Sullivan line, and it is quite true. Policemen always arrive late at the scene, and then must establish just what expired at the scene, be it a motorcar accident, a criminal target, or a death. Always at such scenes there are clues, some vital, all precious, in telling a little bit of the story, which is why they are frequently described as part of a jig saw puzzle.

What I am attempting in this book is to illustrate the clues that I am aware of in the Port Arthur Massacre, and the message that I get from such clues. This work cannot be construed as fully accurate, or even the truth, but rather a thesis based on facts that are now embedded in history. I shall also be alluding as to reasons why certain actions were taken, based on my interpretation of events, not the actual reasons. I must thank all those who supported me in preparing this book. Visitors to Port Arthur, and the staff at the Port Arthur Historic Site were all prepared to relate their accounts of that terrible day. I must also add that most of these people are still suffering from the events of that day, and also from the diabolical treatment they have received in the aftermath. So much for our 'Christian Society'. I am told there have been 6 suicides to date from the ranks of those affected by the massacre.

There have been many others who have also helped, and found information for me, both from Tasmania and Victoria. Members and retired members of the Victoria Police and the New South Wales Police have also answered my inquiries with honesty and integrity, and I must not forget Mr Geoff Marsh of Tasmania's SES, who gave me further encouragement. But mostly the help came from people who became aware of the need for the truth to be made public, and these people deserve special thanks.
Finally, I must thank my wife and family who have supported me, and paid the bills, while I have been preoccupied at my computer. Andrew S. MacGregor.

About the author.
The author was born in 1947, one of twins in a family of five children. His eldest sister was murdered on her 24th birthday on the 3rd March 1967 and his twin brother was murdered in October 1972. He served five years with 5 R.V.R., the old Victoria Scottish Regiment in the Mortar Platoon, Support Coy. He was a member of the Victoria Police for 17 years from 1968 to 1985, and was awarded the National Service Medal in 1985. He has no involvement with firearms, or with any firearm body.

1. ...This must raise the question of just what were ASIO doing within a State jurisdiction? Could the Port Arthur Massacre have been a 'terrorist attack'? The evidence as shown to the Australian public states otherwise and certainly during both the Hoddle Street and Queen Street massacres, there were no ASIO members collating information. Thus why were ASIO operatives called in from weekend leave, and despatched post-haste to Port Arthur?

2. We have all been told that the gunman during his reign of terror inside the Broad Arrow Café fired 29 shots from a Colt AR15, which resulted in the deaths of 20 people and the wounding of 12 others. That is a complete and utter fabrication. We have also been told that the gunman was only firing the Colt AR15 for approximately 1* minutes to at the outside, 2 minutes (Damian Bugg page 117 Court Document). That is another complete and utter fabrication. The Wilkinson videotape records 17 shots fired within a period of 15 seconds. It is worth consideration to make a comparison of this recording of the shots with the statement of how these shots were used by the DPP. Mr Damian Bugg QC, in his opinion of how people were murdered by these shots.

3. In the history of Police Forces in Australia, there has never been a more craven approach to police duties than that by the Tasmania Police hierarchy in the Port Arthur Massacre. For 6 hours, the Tasmania Police were held back from delivering this duty to the 500 or more people who were at the Port Arthur Historic Site. While the community volunteers rushed to assist their wounded and stricken fellows, the police hierarchy held the desperately required police members back until after dark, when they then entered the historic site at 2000 hours.

4. Andrew Fisher at the PFCP at Taranna on the evening of the massacre, "Well, a State Crisis Centre is being set up at Police headquarters, and the deputy State Coroner Mr Matterson has turned up as has a Mortuary truck to pick up the dead at the present time. Police are also saying that there will be trauma counselling both on the peninsula and a major centre is being set up at the Rokeby Police Academy just outside Hobart." "Thank you Andrew, we'll leave it there; Andrew Fisher." None of the audience listening to that little description would pick up anything unusual, but if Andrew Fisher actually saw the Southern Tasmanian Mortuary truck, he should have asked some very pertinent questions. For a full description of this vehicle consider this advertisement placed on the Internet in September 1999:


Vehicle for Sale.
Genuine Enquiries only.
Yellow Chevrolet 350 V8 truck with refrigerated body, holds 22, this vehicle was primarily used as the disaster vehicle in the Port Arthur Massacre. This vehicle is currently for sale and all reasonable offers will be considered. The vehicle has value as not only a refrigerated unit for body removal, it is the only one of its kind in the entire country. The "memorabilia" value of it for anyone making a movie/series or writing a book on Port Arthur is limitless. Not only would the purchaser be getting the disaster vehicle, but the whole Port Arthur Story would be given as well.
This vehicle is currently for sale and all REASONABLE OFFERS will be considered.
Email cwright@trump.net.au

A hearse built to carry 22 bodies! It is the only one of its kind in Australia. Why would a State like Tasmania need such a vehicle? Why would a State government decide to purchase such a vehicle? What precedent would it be relying on to consider the application of such a vehicle? There had never been any requirement for such a vehicle in Tasmania's history prior to the Port Arthur Massacre, and there has never been any further requirement for this vehicle.

5. The next moves made by Mr Howard though are mind-boggling. The Prime Minister stated that since the perpetrator had been apprehended, it would help ease the suffering of the survivors if they did not have to experience the pain of a Coronial Inquest. By making such a comment, Mr Howard has made a legal presumption. Under Australian law, a person must be considered innocent until proven guilty. Mr Howard must have been aware that stating Bryant was the guilty person was an offence within the meaning of the Act, of contempt. Radio commentators have been gaoled for making similar remarks. Any barrister worthy of their station would immediately condemn such statements as being prejudicial to his client. No such criticism was levelled at the Prime Minister. There was another problem with Mr Howard's dictum, of which he must have been well aware. Mr Howard is only a politician. It is normal under State law that every death not covered by a Doctor's Certificate, must undergo an Inquest. There are no ifs or buts about it.

6. In the weekend prior to the Port Arthur disaster, there had been a disaster exercise at the Hobart Airport, which brought together all services. A year earlier, this group actually used the Tasman Peninsula as a hypothetical situation for a disaster exercise. On the weekend of the Port Arthur disaster, an EMST course was being conducted at the Clinical School adjacent to Royal Hobart Hospital and this included many of the Southern Regions' key players in trauma management. The Director of Retrieval Services, Dr Rod Franks was on call on the day of the disaster, and Dr Smart, Director of Emergency Medicine was working on the floor in the Emergency Department. These two individuals had the most detailed knowledge of the disaster plan of any hospital specialists and were immediately available. Dr Franks was a key player, because on his desk was a folder with the complete disaster plan ready for release officially the following day.

7. The Liberal Party Government ruled for 4 years, and in February 1996, Tasmania went to the polls again, and the Liberal Party secured government, but without a majority. In an unprecedented move, Ray Groom stood down as Premier, and Tony Rundle became Tasmania's new Premier. However, it cannot be said that Ray Groom dropped his workload. He took on the duties as Attorney General, Minister for Justice, Minister for Tourism, Minister for Workplace Standards and Minister responsible for the Port Arthur Site. Thus, two months prior to the Port Arthur Massacre, Ray Groom took over every portfolio that would be concerned with any aspect of the Port Arthur Massacre, and the aftermath. It would appear that the Attorney General, etc, Mr Ray Groom MHA must have been the duty Minister on the day.

8. There are many clues that signify that the actual target for the day at the Port Arthur Historic Site was the ferry, The Bundeena. The first clue comes from the girls in the broken down car outside 'Seascape', when after purchasing $50 of marijuana the gunman told the girls, "I'm going to the Isle of the dead to get rid of some wasps." In fact the full implication of the gunman's parking was recognised by Ian Kingston immediately after the massacre at the Broad Arrow Café when he approached another colleague and stated, "He was after the ferry you know. He wanted to park down by the water, and from there he would have had a field day with the visitors lined up to embark and with those disembarking. He could have shot over 200 people." When the overall events have been studied, it becomes apparent of the vast amount of thought and planning that had gone into the preparations for the massacre, and this in itself is proof that Martin Bryant could never have been part of this portion of the massacre.

9. If we don't get it right this time. Then next time there is a massacre, and there will be, then they'll take all our guns off us." Deputy Prime Minister, Tim Fischer, in May 1996. It was the Australian Prime Minister who initiated the call for any inquest relating to the Port Arthur massacre to be denied. What we must consider is that by these peoples' actions, truth, justice and in fact every facet of what we call democracy in Australia has been undermined. How can we trust a system when it has been utilised so that these 'pillars of our society' were able to steal from us, the very basis of our civilisation. The question as to 'why' is then open to scrutiny. The initial moves in relation to firearms was instigated within the Labour Party in 1987, and the New South Wales Labour Premier, Barry Unsworth is credited with the quote of, "There will never be National Firearm Laws until there is a massacre in Tasmania" in December 1987 at a Special Premiers meeting at Hobart. There are also the media journalists of whom, Ray Martin was leading the vanguard. In the second debate between Paul Keating and John Howard in February 1996, it was Ray Martin who was strongly advocating the full Labour Party agenda in relation to the ceding of firearm laws from the State to the Federal arena, during that debate. It was Ray Martin who provided Australians with all the tainted evidence in relation to the Port Arthur Massacre, purported as factual evidence from the Tasmania Police. What is also noticeable was that the National Anti-Terrorist Plan was endorsed in November 1995, and first utilised during the Port Arthur Massacre in April 1996, five months later. In considering the aftermath, and the cover-ups that have followed the Port Arthur Massacre, and the criminal way the survivors and relatives have been treated by not only the State of Tasmania, but also the Federal Government, then all Australians have a duty to remove these criminal elements from within our governments.


If the PTB can fake (or conspire) 9/11, and the first man on the moon, while waging war to fund the ISS and covering up it's purpose What makes you think the same wasn't done to the Bible.



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Re: WTC7, ISS. Moon landing hoax and more....
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2010, 05:25:15 AM »
If the PTB can fake (or conspire) 9/11, and the first man on the moon, while waging war to fund the ISS and covering up it's purpose What makes you think the same wasn't done to the Bible.

All that, just to take a poke at the Bible? Interesting.

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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2010, 06:32:13 PM »
All that, just to take a poke at the Bible? Interesting.

Yep! Just keeping up with "your" tradition of exposing the jewishness of everything wrong in this world in chaos!
Nothing will ever change the chaos until ALL the judaic tricks and education ploys are finally accepted by bible believers.

The bible was and is the ruling elites ace up the sleeve.

Can we replace organized religion with spirituality?
 
Definitely! The world would be a better place if we were to replace "organised" religion with spirituality because "organised" religion is mainly about fear and guilt to control people, whereas spirituality is mainly about the spirit and being set free from fear and condemnation through knowing and experiencing perfect freedom from 'organized control'

Organized religion focuses on our responsibility and our performance (what we must do for God) - it focuses on living right but does not give people the "power" to live right. Organized religion created 'sin' and therefore guilt, for just being 'human'.

Spirituality focuses on our "response-ability" (our ability to respond to our true 'being') and to appreciate what the Universe has given us, there are no rules for right or wrong, as Spirituality free's 'conscience' from control. and it is only ourselves who can provide what is 'right'. We make our own decisions about life, the how and why we live it  We learn to accept our mistakes, forgive ourselves and move onto the right path.

When we love ourselves and forgive ourselves, and adjust the way we 'think' then all else follows, Love, happiness, and contentment.   

When we fully realise we are free to decide our own lives, knowing we are free and truly spiritual, we are able to freely love ourselves and give to others, encouraging them, forgiving them, with no strings attached, and no pride coming before a fall. (Another judaic indoctrination.).

Spirituality is about knowing our true identity - and by first knowing who we are, and the power of 'thought', we will live and act according to our identity as beloved sons and daughters of the Most High, The Creator. But "organised" religion is about doing in order to become something or someone - it makes people self-conscious and self-righteous, because organized religion can make people mean (when they think they perform better than others) or miserable (when they think they have failed to live up to expectations).

"Organised" religion often breeds insecurity and creates strifes and divisions among people out of envy and jealousy, but spirituality fosters unity in diversity because it helps everyone understand that we are all one with the Universe and with one another, regardless of our backgrounds and cultures because finally you can understand that everything truly is "connected".

Last but not least, If spirituality (a "religion" of freedom of spirit) replaced "organized" religion then there would be nothing to fear from the ruling elite about losing it, or becoming a judaic one world ORGANIZED religion.
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2010, 12:12:16 PM »
Yep! Just keeping up with "your" tradition of exposing the jewishness of everything wrong in this world in chaos!

Is that a general "your" or a personal "your"? Just wondering if your "assumptions" here, are directed at a group of people, or me. If it is me, how is it my "tradition"?

Broad brushes make nice big swatches of color. They're great for painting fences, to more clearly separate oneself from those on the other side. They're not so good for painting pictures.

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Nothing will ever change the chaos until ALL the judaic tricks and education ploys are finally accepted by bible believers.

There is much more wrong with the world than judaic tricks and ploys. It is a big problem currently though, in western civilization. Many "bible believers" know that. Many spiritual and secular people don't. Judaic tricks and education ploys need to be exposed to all people, not just "bible believers".

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The bible was and is the ruling elites ace up the sleeve.

It's historically one of many aces, among many different groups of elites. It's also a genuine sincere source of brotherly love among some.

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Can we replace organized religion with spirituality?

Ahhh, the old "spiritual but not religious" canard.
Spiritual IS religious, when one is dogmatic about it. Even atheism is religious when it's dogmatic. But then, people can be dogmatic about anything. That's the problem, people, not necessarily the things they're dogmatic about. Eric Hoffer did a rather splendid job of explaining that, in "The True Believer". "Organized" seems to be a valid differentiation. But "spirituality" in the modern new-agey sense, while not organized like, say, the Catholic Church, does seem to have, and has had, a lot of organization behind it.

Can mankind one day transcend organized religion, and usher in a wonderful new global era of pure spirituality? Not bloody likely. To think so is to ignore all of history, and the very basics of human nature. One can hope all one wants, but let's not be dogmatic about it. The fact is, (if I may dare to call a personal belief, a fact - as others in here so often do) man hasn't evolved since he took himself out of that process by creating the earliest civilizations. Science advances. Technology advances. Man's nature does not. We're still cave men, only instead of stone weapons we have nuclear weapons.

As man always has, we still seek a higher authority to explain us and oversee us, but we still can't agree on the nature of that higher authority. Given the example of all of history, and the fact (oops, same caveat) that we can't even agree in a small internet forum, let alone a "global" anything, we likely never will. We can only do our best to expose people of all stripes to the real enemy, the ones at the top, and put our dogmas and personal crusades aside.

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Re: WTC7, ISS. Moon landing hoax and more....
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2010, 01:51:06 PM »
All that, just to take a poke at the Bible? Interesting.

lol

INRI channels DrNope

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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2010, 02:07:02 PM »
lol

INRI channels DrNope

Call me dense, but I don't get it.

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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2010, 06:08:25 PM »
Call me dense, but I don't get it.

Okay you are dense.  ;D INRI (PBUH) was an infamous raging Arian at libertyforum, awe forum, and here.  His ability to suss out Christ haters and their Protocol IV schpiel was only surpassed by his rapier wit.  Which you demonstrated, a bit.   Channeling is when a dead person or "spirit" depending on your viewpoint speaks thru a human earth body.

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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2010, 07:03:45 PM »
Channeling is when ...

the tide starts to change
Nobody gets paid to tell the truth.

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« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2010, 05:14:41 AM »
Okay you are dense.  ;D INRI (PBUH) was an infamous raging Arian at libertyforum, awe forum, and here.  His ability to suss out Christ haters and their Protocol IV schpiel was only surpassed by his rapier wit.  Which you demonstrated, a bit.   Channeling is when a dead person or "spirit" depending on your viewpoint speaks thru a human earth body.

Thanks. I knew what channeling is, but I didn't know who or what INRI was (other than the obvious). I checked the members list in here, just in case it might have been someone who posted here, but no luck. INRI sounds like somebody I'd like.  :)

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« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2010, 10:25:03 AM »
"If the PTB can fake (or conspire) 9/11, and the first man on the moon, while waging war to fund the ISS and covering up it's purpose What makes you think the same wasn't done to the Bible".

All that, just to take a poke at the Bibie? Interesting.

How odd fhat you pick "the Bible" out of 'all that' and ignore or avoid the more important and relevant 'facts'.... Did you even bother to follow the ISS information (the science and advanced technology you mention)?

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Is that a general "your" or a personal "your"? Just wondering if your "assumptions" here, are directed at a group of people, or me. If it is me, how is it my "tradition"?

I made myself eminently clear who I was talking to, as for 'tradition', Christians seek out the jew avariciously in every aspect except in their own religion, and when faced with the 'facts' they simply pull out the old canard of 'Jesus hater', shill,  just plain 'jew!'  or change the context of what was really written.

Like I've said before the bible creates fear, guilt and a lack of confidence (to discuss and debate on an equal level of 'facts').

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There is much more wrong with the world than judaic tricks and ploys. It is a big problem currently though, in western civilization. Many "bible believers" know that. Many spiritual and secular people don't. Judaic tricks and education ploys need to be exposed to all people, not just "bible believers".

It's historically one of many aces, among many different groups of elites. It's also a genuine sincere source of brotherly love among some.

And what, in your opinion is more of a problem?
Spiritual and Secular people don't have a connection to 'organized' religion so that isn't a problem, whereas bible believers do, and can't see the forest for the trees (or pretend they don't, which is even worse than ignorance). Bible believers hold onto their fables and parables and claim they are the word of God knowing full well that man wrote them. Then when offerred proof of this they immediately roll out the accusations, name calling, denial, or change the subject and destroy entire threads.

I've said it before and I'll keep on saying it, "Christians are their own worst enemy, and keep keep complying with the ruling elite's game plan."

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Ahhh, the old "spiritual but not religious" canard.
Spiritual IS religious, when one is dogmatic about it. Even atheism is religious when it's dogmatic.


As I suspected you didn't read what I wrote and merely picked out the things you (think you) can cope with ... I had already stated that a'spirituality is a religion' so why make it sound as if it is your idea? Dogma (am God) belongs to the church 

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But then, people
can be dogmatic about anything. That's the problem, people, not necessarily the things they're dogmatic about. Eric
Hoffer did a rather splendid job of explaining that, in "The True Believer". "Organized" seems to be a valid
differentiation. But "spirituality" in the modern new-agey sense, while not organized like, say, the Catholic Church,
does seem to have, and has had, a lot of organization behind it.

Well there y'go! I do not and never have promoted new-agey spirituality. I promote the spirituality that comes from the soul, the same kind of spirituality that christians feel but contribute that feeling to their belief in the bible.

Hoffer also said "widespread affluence is robbing a modern society of whatever it has left of puberty rites to routinize (oops does that mean organized) the attainment of manhood. these puberty rites are essential for self-esteem," And  that mass movements and juvenile mindsets tend to go together to the point that anyone, no matter what age, who joins a mass movement immediately begins to exhibit juvenile behavior. (The puberty rites he recommended was a 2 year  civilian national service program)

You really should learn to read what is written, and not do so much cherry picking.
 
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Can mankind one day transcend organized religion, and usher in a wonderful new global era of pure spirituality? Not
bloody likely. To think so is to ignore all of history, and the very basics of human nature. One can hope all one wants,
but let's not be dogmatic about it. The fact is, (if I may dare to call a personal belief, a fact - as others in here so
often do) man hasn't evolved since he took himself out of that process by creating the earliest civilizations. Science
advances. Technology advances. Man's nature does not. We're still cave men, only instead of stone weapons we have nuclear weapons.

And why is that? Could it be from following "organized" religion since pagan times?

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As man always has, we still seek a higher authority to explain us and oversee us, but we still can't agree on the nature of that higher authority. Given the example of all of history, and the fact (oops, same caveat) that we can't even agree in a small internet forum, let alone a "global" anything, we likely never will. We can only do our best to expose people of all stripes to the real enemy, the ones at the top, and put our dogmas and personal crusades aside.

Spirituality found that higher authority! ie the real "Creator", The intelligent consciousness that produced the carbon atom (ie matter, and the knowledge of the universe)... The only thing suppressing growth of 'human nature', is organized religion, after they took over from the pagans, when they moved out of the caves and into the fields. and the ruling elite then created a 'garden of eden' (and the canard grew and grew).
Truth extends beyond the border of self-limiting science. Free discourse among opposing viewpoints draws the open-minded away from the darkness of inevitable bias and nearer to the light of universal reality.

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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2010, 04:14:38 AM »
How odd fhat you pick "the Bible" out of 'all that' and ignore or avoid the more important and relevant 'facts'.... Did you even bother to follow the ISS information (the science and advanced technology you mention)?

I didn't "pick" the Bible out of it, Professor Mystica, YOU did. The Bible was the parting shot in your lecture, and you supplied the perspective in your conclusion. As a trip down memory lane, your lecture was quite entertaining. Yes, I followed the ISS information, and all the rest in hopes that you had a new take on things, but alas...
And your conclusion? "If all this is fake, why not the Bible?". You sure telegraphed that one.

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I made myself eminently clear who I was talking to, as for 'tradition', Christians seek out the jew avariciously in every aspect except in their own religion, and when faced with the 'facts' they simply pull out the old canard of 'Jesus hater', shill,  just plain 'jew!'  or change the context of what was really written.

If it was "eminently clear" I wouldn't have asked. As for "Tradition", it's certainly not MY "tradition". Christianity is not some monolithic entity. There are (thanks to the Reformation), probably more Christian sects, with wildly varying sets of beliefs, than any other religion. You have no clue, because you can't be bothered to do anything but broad-brush it. I'd tell you what I believe about it, but you've already got me pidgeonholed. And I wouldn't want to destroy an entire thread, even though YOU introduced the Bible into it.

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And what, in your opinion is more of a problem?
Spiritual and Secular people don't have a connection to 'organized' religion so that isn't a problem, whereas bible believers do, and can't see the forest for the trees (or pretend they don't, which is even worse than ignorance). Bible believers hold onto their fables and parables and claim they are the word of God knowing full well that man wrote them. Then when offerred proof of this they immediately roll out the accusations, name calling, denial, or change the subject and destroy entire threads.

I've said it before and I'll keep on saying it, "Christians are their own worst enemy, and keep keep complying with the ruling elite's game plan."

Spiritual people are fine. They're quaint. UNLESS they zealously condescend, lecture, and proselytize, which, funnily enough are issues they have with Christians. However, since spiritual people are more "enlightened", it must be ok when they do it.

Who has the majority of abortions? Christians or secular liberals? Who worships trash role models for children, like Britney, Miley, Lohan, and Lady Gaga? Christians, or secular liberals? Who worships the MSM promoted 'thug gangsta cop-killah' Hip Hop and Rap idols? Christians, or secular liberals? Who uses, buys, and sells the majority of drugs in the country? Christians, or secular liberals? Who runs a meth lab or crack house on every block in poor neighborhoods? Christians or secular liberals? Who promotes open borders and unlimited immigration? Christians or secular liberals? Who promotes the "Do what thou wilt" mentality that condones all this, and destroys our families, homes, neighborhoods, and inner cities? Christians, or secular liberals? Who commits the majority of violent crime? Christians or secular liberals? Secular liberalism is the greatest tool of the jew "ruling elite" in our society, to destroy our society. The Jew "Ruling Elite" War on Christianity is an integral part of that. There's a reason for the phrase "May his name and memory be blotted out forever".

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As I suspected you didn't read what I wrote and merely picked out the things you (think you) can cope with ... I had already stated that a'spirituality is a religion' so why make it sound as if it is your idea? Dogma (am God) belongs to the church 

You use the term religion in different ways. Sometimes you qualify it with "organized", sometimes you don't. You did say at one point that spirituality was a religion in a free-spirit sense, altough usually you differentiate it from "religion".  I said it can also be a religion in the dogmatic sense. The idea is much older than me, would footnotes help?

An anagram isn't a synonym or definition. Just a little sleight-of-word distraction of which you're so fond.

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Well there y'go! I do not and never have promoted new-agey spirituality. I promote the spirituality that comes from the soul, the same kind of spirituality that christians feel but contribute that feeling to their belief in the bible.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, espouses tenets of new-agey spirituality-ism like a duck, it doesn't have to promote itself as a duck for us to know it is one.

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Hoffer also said "widespread affluence is robbing a modern society of whatever it has left of puberty rites to routinize (oops does that mean organized) the attainment of manhood. these puberty rites are essential for self-esteem," And  that mass movements and juvenile mindsets tend to go together to the point that anyone, no matter what age, who joins a mass movement immediately begins to exhibit juvenile behavior. (The puberty rites he recommended was a 2 year  civilian national service program)

You really should learn to read what is written, and not do so much cherry picking.

Actually I read the entire book years ago, and still have it. You really should learn to read what is written outside of the  Wikipedia 'Eric Hoffer' entry, from which  you quoted and paraphrased, pretending you know something about his work. I'd call that letting Wikipedia do the "cherry picking".

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And why is that? Could it be from following "organized" religion since pagan times?

Well, I mentioned "history", "human nature", and "evolution", didn't any of that ring a bell?
"Organized" tends to dominate "unorganized", in every facet of reality. That's why we have the universe as we know it, rather than an infinite wash of subatomic particles. That's why we have societies rather than wandering individual hunter-gatherers. That's why we have ever-larger governments rather than random city-states or agrarian societies. It's the natural order of systems to become bigger, and more organized. Does this really need to be explained?
Is it always good? No. When it adversely affects us, should we do something? Of course. Apparently by singling out Christianity "organized religion"

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Spirituality found that higher authority! ie the real "Creator", The intelligent consciousness that produced the carbon atom (ie matter, and the knowledge of the universe)... The only thing suppressing growth of 'human nature', is organized religion, after they took over from the pagans, when they moved out of the caves and into the fields. and the ruling elite then created a 'garden of eden' (and the canard grew and grew).

Every religion believes it found that higher authority. You, as most all the others do, choose to condescendingly belittle those who found a different higher authority, as somehow less enlightened. I like to call it "Christian bashing" but you're welcome to call it proselytizing promoting spirituality.
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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2010, 09:53:17 AM »
]I didn't "pick" the Bible out of it, Professor Mystica, YOU did. The Bible was the parting shot in your lecture, and you supplied the perspective in your conclusion.

Aha another convoluted reply that indicates YOUR perspective . The "parting shot" as you refer to it, was a part of the information and a conclusions of the entire post to indicate the ruling elites control and deception over mankind, not, as you would like to impart, just a ploy. 

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As a trip down memory lane, your lecture was quite entertaining. Yes, I followed the ISS information, and all the rest in hopes that you had a new take on things, but alas...

If your so 'up' on ISS information how come it has not been posted or discussed? where is this information you 'follow'? and why if you have it do you want me to reveal even more than I have already? My take has already been posted before and it is all NEW to this site as NO-ONE else has made any contribution regarding the ISS.  I have seen no evidence of anyone here even considering the enormity of the subject or even commenting on the incredible cost to mankind for something that is designed to provide safe living in space and for 'creating' new life?? Not even addressing what I have offerred to date, or if it is even relevant to our wellbeing? If you want more, then discuss it. I've done the hard yards, now you offer some erudite comments of what you have learned.

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If it was "eminently clear" I wouldn't have asked.

Then you must be as thick as two short planks because I was replying to you and quoted YOU.

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As for "Tradition", it's certainly not MY "tradition". Christianity is not some monolithic entity.

Oh but it IS a monolithic entity ...
 Monolithic: ..massive: imposing in size or bulk or solidity; "massive oak doors"; "Moore's massive sculptures"; "the monolithic proportions of Stalinist architecture"; "a monumental scale" characterized by massiveness and rigidity and total uniformity; "a monolithic society"; "a monolithic worldwide movement"


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There are (thanks to the Reformation), probably more Christian sects, with wildly varying sets of beliefs, than any other religion. You have no clue, because you can't be bothered to do anything but broad-brush it. I'd tell you what I believe about it, but you've already got me pidgeonholed. And I wouldn't want to destroy an entire thread, even though YOU introduced the Bible into it.

I'm glad you recognize it as a 'sect'. but those so-called varying beliefs are derived from the same bible and have their origins taken from the same 'sect'. The new beliefs are comparitively modern and came abouut as people learned the absurdity of some of the 'rules', Change they may have made but not to the over-all translations and misrepresentations. I didn't pigeonhole you, you have done that yourself I merely follow your lead.

Yes I did mention the bible in my original post because I was discussing "Globalism, Control & Conspiracy" which is the title of this particular forum, and the bible comes within the paradigm of all three.

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Spiritual people are fine. They're quaint. UNLESS they zealously condescend, lecture, and proselytize, which, funnily enough are issues they have with Christians. However, since spiritual people are more "enlightened", it must be ok when they do it.

True spirituality is diametrically opposed to zealotry, in fact that is exactly what is what is displayed by 'most' Christians, and revelation and information is not condescension, that is what you do by nit picking words in order to show your perceived superior knowledge, and I wouldn't have to air mine if you chose to discuss rather than scold.

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Who has the majority of abortions? Christians or secular liberals? Who worships trash role models for children, like Britney, Miley, Lohan, and Lady Gaga? Christians, or secular liberals? Who worships the MSM promoted 'thug gangsta cop-killah' Hip Hop and Rap idols? Christians, or secular liberals? Who uses, buys, and sells the majority of drugs in the country? Christians, or secular liberals? Who runs a meth lab or crack house on every block in poor neighborhoods? Christians or secular liberals? Who promotes open borders and unlimited immigration? Christians or secular liberals? Who promotes the "Do what thou wilt" mentality that condones all this, and destroys our families, homes, neighborhoods, and inner cities? Christians, or secular liberals? Who commits the majority of violent crime? Christians or secular liberals? Secular liberalism is the greatest tool of the jew "ruling elite" in our society, to destroy our society. The Jew "Ruling Elite" War on Christianity is an integral part of that. There's a reason for the phrase "May his name and memory be blotted out forever".

Oh I agree secular liberals even christian liberals do all of these things and are definitely not 'spiritual in anyway shape or form. It seems you haven't grasped the true spirit of Spirituality, certainly not my kind of spirituality which is far from 'secular', I believe in a 'creator' one who gave us freewill and a conscience and the ability to solve all our own problems, one who gave us everything on earth for our growth and wellbeing. Food (for health and sustenance), clothing, building supplies (earth, trees, plants, and water) and beauty beyond compare to refresh and renew the spirit .... That is not secular.

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You use the term religion in different ways. Sometimes you qualify it with "organized", sometimes you don't. You did say at one point that spirituality was a religion in a free-spirit sense, altough usually you differentiate it from "religion".  I said it can also be a religion in the dogmatic sense. The idea is much older than me, would footnotes help?


Another of your canards! If I just say "religion" I'm picking on your beliefs, If I say 'organized' I'm still wrong, however in this post I very carefully made sure I used 'organized' each and every time ... so you must be referring to past posts where you have given me 'schtick' for the same thing. But I always mean "organized" when referring to the control and conspiracy of "the bible".

Stop being so self absorbed and taking everything said as a personal afront, it's not ... I'm about imparting what I have 'learned', not about chiding you personally. If you have a different 'opinion' then discuss it in knowledgeable terms, or I'll just have to think of you as unknowledgeable.


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An anagram isn't a synonym or definition. Just a little sleight-of-word distraction of which you're so fond.

Wrong again, the anagram was a 'symbolism', just like organized religion loves to display "in your face", and which Christians love to ignore or plead innocence. I leave the sleight of hand to the church, and the "distraction" comes from you. I was being very open in pointing out the sleight of hand and distractions of governments and the church (one and the same these days).


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If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, espouses tenets of new-agey spirituality-ism like a duck, it doesn't have to promote itself as a duck for us to know it is one.

There it is again, trying to denigrate with aspersions and obvious untruths, so I could reply to you with the same phrase and be more accurate. If you think I espouse new agey spirituality make your point without insinuations and QUOTE me, and not offer your own definition ... I can produce evidence of the things I have said, I don't have to make things up to make it look good, or twist your words to show your ignorance, as you do it so well yourself.

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Actually I read the entire book years ago, and still have it. You really should learn to read what is written outside of the  Wikipedia 'Eric Hoffer' entry, from which  you quoted and paraphrased, pretending you know something about his work. I'd call that letting Wikipedia do the "cherry picking".

LOL what a come-back ... If you still have the book then go back and re-read it ... but before you do take a course in "conprehension", because you obviously don't comprehend either the bible or Eric.

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Well, I mentioned "history", "human nature", and "evolution", didn't any of that ring a bell?

HUH! that doesn't come anywhere near the 'facts' ... Pagans knew the essence of life, growth, and were evolving from the caveman to civilized man until their 'unorganized' religion was 'adopted' and usurped by 'organized religion' ie judaism. Now go back and read your words again because you don't seem to understand what you replied to in the first place.

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"Organized" tends to dominate "unorganized", in every facet of reality. .

Of course it does that's what religion and governments DO .... they "organize" ... Show me where and how that oranization has made this a better world?

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That's why we have the universe as we know it, rather than an infinite wash of subatomic particles

Really! then you do understand the immense damage done to we the people and our planet by the 'ruling elite'? ... oh bugger! you just blew it ... you mean you have never studied science and the power of the carbon atom? Would you like me to explain it to you?

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That's why we have societies rather than wandering individual hunter-gatherers. That's why we have ever-larger governments rather than random city-states or agrarian societies. It's the natural order of systems to become bigger, and more organized. Does this really need to be explained?

Phew! you really are brainwashed The church has done a real number on your mental process ... the organized society we have today was 'created' in order for the ruling elite to control and "grow rich" what they gave back to us was ignorance of our true self and acceptance of bigger and better frauds. The hunter-gatherers took care of their own, and the planet, they lived close to the earth and had everything they needed to be free and content, they could build their homes with-out restrictions (and crippling debts) and move on when seasons were poor, they used every part of the flora and fauna to sustain them without impacting on them ... but I can see you're a person of substance and crave all the 'trappings' of the elite, all those labour saving (and costly and polluting) items that indicate 'affluence".

And yes I live in a home owned by the bank, and I have those so-called labour saving and polluting devices (I'm sitting at one right now) ... because our so-called 'society' doesn't allow me to live any other way and the rules and (organized) regulations require me to forego my freedom to hunt and gather, and I'm almost at my use by date and in poor health (from the crappy lifestyle I have been forced into).

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Is it always good? No. When it adversely affects us, should we do something? Of course. Apparently by singling out Christianity "organized religion"

Oh dear! you really do have the church at heart ... just look at what you wrote and the way you wrote it. Very telling! .... I didn't 'single out anything... that was done by you ... "The bible" .... and then you turned it into Christianity.

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Every religion believes it found that higher authority. You, as most all the others do, choose to condescendingly belittle those who found a different higher authority, as somehow less enlightened. I like to call it "Christian bashing" but you're welcome to call it proselytizing promoting spirituality.

Yup even yours! The difference in your kind of religion and my spirituality is that you 'chose' the bible to provide your "higher authority" (your words not mine) and my Creator comes from the heart, the soul, the universe, and common sense, there is no book and no teacher that guides spirituality, it just IS. You too are condescending and belittling, didn't your upbringing teach you that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones? I didn't give you cause to begin this 'belittling' in my original post, you CHOSE the way this thread developed, you CHOSE to turn it into something the ruling elite would take delight in.

Either discuss the topics that started this thread (Globalism, Control & Conspiracy) or desist.


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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2010, 11:44:37 AM »
Un-organized "Spiritual" souls will fall pray to the organized  ones.

It's like saying that an army should not be organized but rather let he soldiers attack when they want, whom they want and how and with what they want to! Do you think that army will win?

Instead of blaming the people at the top of a religion we blame the religion (well some are to blame because of what they contain in it !) ! We call them "Corporate elites" as if these corporates aren't controlled by people with names and addresses!

Now how can you spread this "spirituality" if you don't have an organization of people that go and talk to people, bring in funds to promote it because everything costs money? What are the rules a lost sole in the street should keep in order to achieve this "Spirituality"?
Oh boy this is sounding a lot like another religion to me!
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« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2010, 01:20:03 PM »
INRI sounds like somebody I'd like.  :)

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« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2010, 05:06:10 PM »
Un-organized "Spiritual" souls will fall pray to the organized  ones.

It's like saying that an army should not be organized but rather let he soldiers attack when they want, whom they want and how and with what they want to! Do you think that army will win?

Instead of blaming the people at the top of a religion we blame the religion (well some are to blame because of what they contain in it !) ! We call them "Corporate elites" as if these corporates aren't controlled by people with names and addresses!

Now how can you spread this "spirituality" if you don't have an organization of people that go and talk to people, bring in funds to promote it because everything costs money? What are the rules a lost sole in the street should keep in order to achieve this "Spirituality"?
Oh boy this is sounding a lot like another religion to me!

Excellently put.
Organized religion isn't exactly at the top of the food chain. Blaming it, takes the focus OFF of those who ARE. You have to wonder if that isn't the actual intent.

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« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2010, 05:24:35 PM »
The bird did not like to be caged by forum rules.  Alas.

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« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2010, 11:37:13 PM »
Aha another convoluted reply that indicates YOUR perspective . The "parting shot" as you refer to it, was a part of the information and a conclusions of the entire post to indicate the ruling elites control and deception over mankind, not, as you would like to impart, just a ploy. 

I'm going to break this into a series of individual posts, this being probably the longest, because the size of these posts is getting a little out of hand. But don't worry, I'll address every single segment of your post, because if I don't you'll just accuse me of only picking out the things I "think I can cope with", as you've already have. Meanwhile, I'll ramble a bit. Nothing, of course, that you may not already know, and likely disagree with.

My response to your first post was "All that, just to take a poke at the Bible? Interesting."
You admitted "Yep! Just keeping up with "your" tradition of exposing the jewishness of everything wrong in this world in chaos!" Now you wish to dance away from that admission, in an attempt to gain a little moral ground.
It wasn't even "my" tradition that you stereotypically accused me of having. It was your straw-man's tradition. Even so, please explain what is wrong with exposing the jewishness at the top of the "ruling elite", unless of course, you'd rather focus further down the food chain.

At the beginning of your last post, you say the Bible comment is relevant to indicate the ruling elites control and deception over mankind. At the end, you chastise me and say "Either discuss the topics that started this thread (Globalism, Control & Conspiracy) or desist." So is the Bible ON topic or OFF? You can't have it both ways. If it's OFF topic, I won't discuss it IF you won't. If it's ON topic, let's have at it.

There are people in this forum who are religious. They believe in the Bible. Some are members of the Church. They're good people. They're valuable to the forum. When you make posts discrediting their personal belief system, accusing it of being the source of all problems, or however you choose to express it at any given time, it's at the very, very least, disrespectful of those fellow posters. Is that what "spirituality" means?

The only time religious people turn a thread onto religion (well, except for clefty, whose forte is picking doctrinal fights with Catholics) is when they defend their beliefs from attack. And what do you expect them to do? Roll over and wet themselves, and give up their beliefs because you tell them that organized religion is the root of our problems? Hardly. That's not the way people work. They get defensive, and hold even more strongly to their beliefs. Or as Chairman Zero put it "they cling to their guns and religion". That IS the way people work. Not just "religious" people, all people. You can't just walk in, and say "I'm right, you're wrong, I'm big, you're little, and there's nothing you can do about it", and expect people to accept it.

I've told you before, when I think that religion is unjustly attacked here in the forum, I'll defend it, even if it's not my own. You told me that was the wrong reason for being here. I think that blanketly blaming "organized religion" for all the world's ills, in a forum where many of the posters are members of organized religion, is wrong. Why? Besides the aforementioned, "organized religion" does not equal "ruling elite". The "elite's" real power is through money, banking, lobbies, the corporate world, the military-industrial complex. Their real power is secular, fascist. Where it's communistic, it's still bought and paid for by the same "ruling elite". They own everything and control the money supply, and use it to control government, while they use secular liberalism to destroy society. Whenever they've had real power, that's the way they've always done it.

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« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2010, 07:47:24 AM »
This thread reminds me of an old joke. Stop me if you've heard it before.

At the end of the Second World War, there was a group of Jews in an air raid shelter in Budapest. They were discussing the situation. When the bombing had ended, they decided to send a Jewish boy outside to find out what the order of society was like, so that they could adapt themselves to suit it from the very beginning. The boy asked: “How will I know?” An older Jew answered: “It is very simple. If young Jews are in power, it is Communism, but if old Jews are in power, then it is capitalism.”

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« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2010, 08:32:32 AM »
It's like saying that an army should not be organized but rather let he soldiers attack when they want, whom they want and how and with what they want to! Do you think that army will win?


Spirituality is neither an army, a war, or have soldiers. Nor is it about 'winning' ... It's about freedom ... to be who and what you choose, to be a free thinker, an individual thinker,  without the yoke of 'compliance'. 

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Instead of blaming the people at the top of a religion we blame the religion (well some are to blame because of what they contain in it !) ! We call them "Corporate elites" as if these corporates aren't controlled by people with names and addresses!


You name the people at the top of religion so we can stop blaming their 'creation'.

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Now how can you spread this "spirituality" if you don't have an organization of people that go and talk to people, bring in funds to promote it because everything costs money? What are the rules a lost sole in the street should keep in order to achieve this "Spirituality"?
Oh boy this is sounding a lot like another religion to me!

Well free thinking would be a good starting point no organization needed for that and at no cost!

Everything cost money in todays society because that is what 'those at the top' created organizations to do, to created wealth for themselves, their 'organizations', and hardship for the rest of us .... and the followers of said organizations makes their agenda that much easier to accomplish. They win we lose!!

If you read carefully I already stated that Spirituality is a religion ... "without organization".

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« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2010, 08:42:32 AM »
Organized religion isn't exactly at the top of the food chain. Blaming it, takes the focus OFF of those who ARE. You have to wonder if that isn't the actual intent.

That is where you and your ilk make their fatal mistake because the ones who 'created the 'school', dictate to the teachers, influence 'thinking' and form 'beliefs', ARE the top of the food chain. We are the little fry that are being eaten. What you don't seem to realise is that their relevance and their identities are kept behind a veil of secrecy in the form of religion ... from there they can dictate whatever they like and the small fry will accept their 'words', and heed the 'laws' ... the business corporates are next on the chain who dictate to the governments, who in turn dictate to us.

The 'pyramid' looks like this:

"The ruling elite" Totally proteced and never seen or heard from directly.

Organized Religion: Diverse and worldwide to 'cater' to all beliefs, and all cultures.

Multinational Corporations: Have no loyalty to any country, and have no borders to hinder their 'organizations' and trade.

Government: Answerable to the banking Corporations and reliiant on funds from the International bankers (Fed, world bank, IMF)

The lower echelons should need no summary

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