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* Editorial: Afghanistan
« on: November 21, 2010, 07:12:36 PM »
History repeating itself?

November 21, 2010, 8:00 pm

source: http://www.island.lk/index.php?page_cat=news-section&page=news-section&code_title=55

The much dreaded monstrous 68-tonne M1 Abrams tanks propelled by jet engines and fitted with 120 mm guns capable of destroying targets kilometres away are set to roll in to help pull the US-led forces out of the Afghan imbroglio after nine years of fierce fighting. Although the US is said to be working on its exit strategy, the Taliban are far from vanquished and Afghan President Hamid Karzai is on the war path lambasting as he does his western backers, who are deeply offended by his diatribe. He has called upon the US and NATO forces to be less intrusive in the lives of Afghans and frowned on the on-going night raids and civilian casualties. Karzai insists that the running of Afghanistan is best left to Afghans.

President Karzai's caustic remarks and the intensification of the US-NATO offensives point to the growing desperation on the part of both Washington and Kabul in view of the Taliban resistance and the resentment of the Afghan people with a history of resisting the presence of foreign troops on their soil.

It is claimed in some quarters that President Karzai has fallen out with his western allies as they have taken him on over corruption, abuse of power etc. under his regime. But, the US and the rest of the West will never antagonise a `˜friend` for such reasons; they have earned notoriety for pampering Shah of Iran, Papa Doc of Haiti, Marcos of the Philippines, Suharto of Indonesia and many other leaders including military dictators responsible for gross abuse of power, human rights violations and the plunder of public property.

President Karzai, who feels that the West is undermining his authority by promoting some Afghan lawmakers opposed to his regime in a bid to install a puppet government, has been firing broadsides at his western allies for quite some time but this time around he has antagonised Washington as never before to the extent of General David Petraeus expressing his 'astonishment and disappointment'. It is said that Petraeus has also threatened to resign because of Karzai's criticism of the US strategy considered his brainchild.

Gen. Petraeus is in an unenviable position. He was a `˜confirmed hero` following his stint in Iraq, when President Barack Obama sacked the 'Rolling Stoned' Gen. Stanley McChrystal, and appointed him to the Afghan command. The hero will be reduced to zero if he fails to deliver in Afghanistan, which is an extremely difficult proposition, given the intense resistance offered by the Taliban. Gen. Petraeus' appointment has come to be widely viewed as a political master stroke by President Obama, as the Republicans were allegedly toying with the idea of fielding Petraeus to rival Obama at the 2012 presidential race. The GOP may be a headless turkey but Obama has proved that he is no spring chicken in politics; he has demonstrated his political acumen and acuity. Petraeus' stint in Afghanistan is not likely to be over before 2012, unless he resigns. (Presidents who seek re-election with the opposition parties in total disarray looking for heroes had better be cautious when popular generals mull over resignation!)

The current predicament of Afghans is similar to that of Russians after the Bolshevik revolution. Russians succeeded in getting rid of the Tsars but they had to suffer at the hands of a great many Commissars thereafter. Afghans who, ably assisted by the US, drove the Russians away two decades ago, now have the Americans propping up a government in Kabul and unleashing hell. An irate President Karzai minced no words when he told The Wall Street Journal last April that the Taliban would become a legitimate resistance movement if the US interference in Afghan affairs did not stop. WSJ also quoted him as saying, "There is a paper-thin curtain that separates assistance and occupation `¦ if we don't stand for our sovereignty, it won't be long before that assistance turns into occupation." The use of word 'resistance' is of crucial import because it is often used, as WSJ has rightly pointed out, to refer to a legitimate struggle against occupying forces and their puppet rulers like the military campaign launched by the Mujahideen against the Soviet Union's occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s. It is this `˜element of resistance` in the Taliban insurgency that has put paid to the US-NATO efforts to rally the support of the ordinary Afghans for their war against the Taliban.

Is history repeating itself in Afghanistan with Americans in place of Russians?

President Karzai's consternation is understandable. He has learnt from his own experience the hard way. Sri Lanka was lucky that she did not allow the western remedies rammed down her throat, when she took on terrorism. Had President Mahinda Rajapaksa toed the western line like Karzai, Sri Lanka would by now have been another Sudan`“`“ready to be partitioned. What the failure of the West in Sri Lanka, Afghanistan etc. signifies is that its strategy of tackling terrorism either politically or militarily does not work in foreign countries. Its solutions turn out to be worse than the problems it ostensibly seeks to address, because of its duplicity. The best way the western bloc could help other counties plagued by terrorism is to let them work out their own strategies to remove the scourge, and to limit its role to assisting them in that task, without using foreign terrorist groups as weapons to further its interests and expand its global empire.

As for President Karzai, who has taken on the US and NATO, he may be able to protect himself from his Taliban enemies but it is only God who can save him from his western 'friends'.
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...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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Re: * Editorial: Afghanistan
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2010, 08:25:31 PM »
NATO: Afghan War Model For Future 21st Century Operations



by Rick Rozoff ~ November 19, 2010

source http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22006

As the North Atlantic Treaty Organization unveils its first 21st century strategic doctrine in Lisbon this week, its first ground war and war outside Europe is in its tenth year with no end in sight.

The invasion of and subsequent nine years of combat operations in Afghanistan are logical - inevitable - results of the military alliance's last Strategic Concept adopted at its fiftieth anniversary summit in Washington, D.C. in 1999. At the time NATO was waging its first full-scale war, the 78-day Operation Allied Force bombing assault against Yugoslavia, and had absorbed the first of what are now twelve members in Eastern Europe: The Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland.

Launching an unprovoked war of aggression and operating outside the territory of NATO member states - and outside international law without a United Nations mandate - inaugurated the U.S.-controlled military alliance as a global warfighting organization. The war in Afghanistan beginning in the first year of the new century and millennium represented the further implementation of the 1999 Strategic Concept, itself the first since 1991, the year of the demise of the Warsaw Pact and the Soviet Union.

As NATO described the last Strategic Concept: "At the Washington Summit meeting in April 1999, the NATO Allies approved a strategy to equip the Alliance for the security challenges and opportunities of the 21st century and to guide its future political and military development." [1]

There are now 140,000 troops (the bulk of them American) from 50 nations serving with NATO's International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan, more than were assigned to the bloc's previous out-of-area deployments - 60,000 in Bosnia in 1995 and 50,000 in Kosovo in 1999 - combined.



The Afghan conflict is also the first battleground on which NATO has suffered war dead. 825 of the 2,223 foreign troops killed in Afghanistan since 2001 (1,174 since last year) are from NATO member states other than the U.S. and from NATO partnership allies. Subtracting the dead from non-NATO countries - Australia (21), Georgia (5), Sweden (5), Finland (1), Jordan (1), New Zealand (1) and South Korea (1) - 2,188 of the foreign war dead are from NATO nations and 790 from Alliance states other than the U.S.

A recent report estimates the number of Afghans killed in the war at 100,000. Deaths caused by U.S. drone attacks and NATO helicopter gunship raids in Pakistan are also mounting, approaching the 2,000 mark.

A veritable chorus of recent comments from American, NATO and NATO ally officials has confirmed the war that will be in its eleventh calendar year on January 1 will continue to 2014, beyond 2014 and even for decades longer.

This week NATO's Senior Civilian Representative in Afghanistan Mark Sedwill said "that the transition process may run into 2015 and beyond, and that after foreign troops step down from combat roles the country could see 'eye-watering levels of violence,'" whatever the last expression was intended to connote.

The use of the word transition instead of exit was a calculated choice. It echoes a comment made by the chief American civilian operative for the war, Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke, as reported by Pajhwok Afghan News on November 11. (Sedwill and Holbrooke divide up on the "diplomatic" side what General David Petraeus combines on the military one as chief commander of all 152,000 U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan.)

On November 10 Holbrooke "asserted the US had 'no exit strategy' for Afghanistan, and instead a 'transition strategy' would be unveiled in the Portuguese capital" during the NATO summit.

"After 2014, the diplomat continued, the international community was not going to be leaving Afghanistan." [2]

A British newspaper announced on November 15 that General Sir David Julian Richards, Chief of the Defence Staff, claimed "this week`s Nato summit will outline plans to keep British troops in Afghanistan for a generation," and "Nato now needs to plan for a 30 or 40 year role to help the Afghan armed forces hold their country against the militants." [3]

If it proves to be accurate, Richards' projection could entail the U.S. and NATO spending half a century in Afghanistan.

Notwithstanding which, the day before the NATO summit began in Portugal the chief of the Alliance, Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen, was interviewed by Britain's Daily Telegraph and again celebrated the war in Afghanistan as a prototype - a template according to the newspaper account - for future global operations envisioned in the new Strategic Concept.

While stating "If conditions are not met fully by the end of 2014, then we will have to continue the combat mission," Rasmussen asserted:

"Our core function will remain territorial defence of our populations But we must realise that in the modern world we have to go beyond our borders to actually protect and defend our borders."

In line with the report serving as the foundation of the new Strategic Concept - "NATO 2020: Assured Security: Dynamic Engagement," prepared by a "group of experts" headed by former U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright - Rasmussen indicated NATO's priorities not only beyond the bloc's borders but transcending all borders: "The purpose of the new strategic concept is to prepare the alliance to address the new security challenges - missile attacks, cyber attacks, terrorist attacks." [4]

Leading up to the summit, NATO conducted the Cyber Coalition 2010 exercise from November 16-18. "Military experts from all NATO countries" were invited to take part and the Cooperative Cyber Defence Centre of Excellence in Tallinn, Estonia (established in 2008) participated in the cyber warfare exercise. [5]

Earlier in the week Senator John Kerry, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, spoke in language similar to that of Rasmussen, not echoing NATO's positions but indicating whence they emanate.

His comments included:

"Some...declared the alliance dead at the end of the Cold War, when its job was to block Soviet tanks from rolling into West Germany. NATO demonstrated its value in the years that followed - transforming into a political engine for integrating the former Soviet states of Eastern Europe into the larger community of nations."

"A key element centers on NATO's commitment to invest roughly $280 million over 10 years to link its missile defense capabilities with new missile systems being developed by the United States. Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the former Danish prime minister who is now NATO's secretary general, says the determination to press ahead with the missile shield is likely to calm skeptical publics that NATO can protect them. It should also provide a better bulwark against Iran." [6]

U.S. permanent representative (ambassador) to NATO, Ivo Daalder, who while at the Brookings Institution wrote articles advocating the creation of a global NATO [7], said in a recent opinion piece published in the New York Times and the International Herald Tribune that, regarding what will prove to be the most significant issue decided upon at the Lisbon summit in addition to that regarding the Afghan war - extending the American interceptor missile system to all of Europe:

"[T]he United States is on track to provide the lion's share of this capability. Our contribution, called the Phased Adaptive Approach, will exploit advances in sensor and interceptor technologies to swiftly deploy a strong, smart missile defense system. At the core of the system is the SM-3 missile, a proven ship-borne system that will also be deployed on land at sites in Romania (by 2015) and subsequently in Poland (by 2018)...." [8]


  Julia Gillard, the new prime minister of Australia - which has the most and has lost the most troops in Afghanistan of any non-NATO nation, 1,550 and 21 respectively - addressed the House of Representatives ahead of flying to the NATO summit in Lisbon, and defended "Australia's likely involvement in the country for another decade."
 
"In the future when we look back on the years since 2001 no-one will deny that attention turned heavily to [the Iraq war]. While it has taken too long, there is now a strategy to achieve transition [in Afghanistan]."

Transition, not withdrawal.

Earlier in the same day she told Radio National:

"Our eyes shouldn't be on the calendar, they should be on the ground and working out whether the time to transition should be right.

"We shouldn't transition out only to have to transition back in some time
later." [9]

From Washington to Brussels to Canberra - the Pentagon, NATO and a rapidly evolving Asian NATO - the strategy like the terminology is identical: Interminable military deployments and combat operations in South and Central Asia as the model for new wars.

With NATO already involved in airlifting Ugandan troops to Somalia, running naval operations in the Horn of Africa, arming and training Georgia and Azerbaijan in the South Caucasus (on November 16 the NATO Parliamentary Assembly referred to Abkhazia and South Ossetia as "occupied territories"), and pledging to "defend" the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania over which it has flown warplanes on continuous rotations since 2004, there will be no lack of opportunities to apply and expand the Afghanistan-Pakistan template.


"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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Re: * Editorial: Afghanistan
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2010, 08:39:11 PM »
NATO Sets for Long War



Friday, November 19, 2010 `“ by  Staff Report

source: http://www.thedailybell.com/1537/NATO-Sets-for-Long-War.html

Nato must continue operations 'beyond our borders' ... Nato must be prepared to launch new military operations outside its own territory after it pulls out of Afghanistan, its secretary general has said. ... Anders Fogh Rasmussen said alliance members must be willing and able to exercise military power "beyond our borders" to combat threats such as terrorism and missile attacks. Mr. Rasmussen spoke to The Daily Telegraph as Nato members prepared to gather today in Lisbon to plan the future role of the alliance. After almost a decade of military operations in Afghanistan, some European Nato members have suggested that the alliance should focus on defending its home territory. By contrast, Britain and the US believe that to remain relevant, Nato must be prepared to tackle potential security threats beyond its members' borders. Mr. Rasmussen supported that view, urging alliance members to accept that new security threats may have to be met. `“ UK Telegraph

Dominant Social Theme: NATO has the war under control and everything is getting better `“ and NATO is getting bigger.

Free-Market Analysis: NATO brass are meeting in Brussels (where else) to formulate further plans to win the war in Afghanistan and reshape NATO into a kind of worldwide rapid response force that will fight on behalf of democracy wherever it is needed. We have spoken before of the emergent world government that the Anglo-American axis is rapidly putting the finishing touches on. The UN, IMF and World Bank are all intimately connected at a global economic and political level, and it seems that NATO has now been designated as the West's "world army." Or that is the plan, anyway. The article excerpted above promotes NATO in this new role, though with certain reservations.

The struggle in Afghanistan and environs is helping to flesh out NATO's new role. What is being created in our view is a potential long war against predominantly Islamic tribes that might offer resistance to further Anglo-American expansion. We can see the outlines of the long war if we look carefully at what is developing. The war in Afghanistan has begun to creep into Pakistan and now threatens Yemen as well. Yemen is a tribal culture and Pakistan is inhabited by 120 million Punjabi tribes-people with no special affinity for the West.

But these are not the only countries that are being mentioned more prominently in Western military conversations. There are increasing reports of tribal militancy in Nigeria and Somalia. A whole swath of disputed real estate is being contested, increasingly, in this area; it is perfectly possible that NATO, under the direction of the Anglosphere, has in mind military expanding operations in the region for another decade or more, depending on how the Afghan struggle resolves itself.

There is of course Iran, but we are not sure how aggressively the West intends to confront Iran, which has its own plans for the Middle East and Africa. The current wars are of the low-intensity variety and an attack on Iran would be a much different affair. One could speculate that the Iranian regime might eventually be overturned internally and that patience is a more effective tool as regards Iran than military confrontation. The West has penetrated Iran before, and thoroughly.

Not so with the tribal entities with which the West (or at least the power elite) is currently at war. The Afghan Pashtuns for instance have occupied the same land for several thousands years (no one knows how long). Similarly the Pakistan Punjabis have been in the same regions apparently for millennia. The same longevity can be ascribed to tribes in Yemen and certainly to the Somali culture which has a distinguished past and once constituted an empire much larger than the country's present boundaries.

NATO's new, planned role will no doubt be critical to realizing certain ambitions in this expanded theatre. NATO's troop disbursements have always been characterized as part of a "grand coalition" `“ and this is one reason why the powers-that-be have had to ensure that Western wars are seen as crusades. Without the "war on terror" justification, there would be reason for other countries to join Anglo-American aggressions. This is important strategically as the American imperial army (as it is currently constituted) can only be stretched so far. The contributions of other countries are vitally important as the West enters the next phase of imperial expansion in the Middle East and Africa.

This is not to say, however, that the power elite will be successful imposing this latest military iteration for the long term. Our perspective is that the truth-telling of the Internet is increasingly interfering with the Western imperial ambitions and that its military adventures are not immune. in fact, we have charted the difficulties that the West will have in subduing the Pashtuns (from which the Taliban are drawn) without attacking tribal havens in Pakistan where the Pashtun Taliban go to regroup and resupply.

Lacking the ability to pursue the Taliban into Pakistan, the Western alliance has taken to building up the Afghan army and police force. This will likely result in a civil war, however, when the Western alliance finally does abandon Afghanistan `“ and we believe it probably will and, perhaps, not entirely voluntarily. The "alliance" itself `“ countries outside of the core Anglosphere `“ are increasingly restive. The war has been going on too long and victory is not in sight, nor can it be without widening the war to Pakistan.

Afghanistan is important not only because it has been intended to serve as a proving ground for NATO but because it is Britain's second try at subduing the tribal Pashtuns. About 100 years ago, the British went to war against the Pashtuns and ended in a bloody stalemate that signaled the high point of the British empire. The Pashtuns might be said to represent everything that the Anglo-American elites cannot control. The Pashtuns are not "civilized." Many cannot read or write. Much of the economy likely runs on barter and families are tribes are more important than a central government.

It was and is this last point that is perhaps the most distressing to the Anglo-American banking elite that seems to create, design and run these wars. This small intergenerational, familial group has thrived for centuries via mercantilism, the ability to control both government and private enterprise and to legislate laws and regulations to further its private interests. Without a social and cultural consensus that centralized government is appropriate to civil society, the elite loses control, or at least is not able to penetrate new geographical regions.

There are of course numerous tribal areas in the Middle East and Africa but the Pashtuns have the logistical mass and cohesive culture to pose a formidable challenge to elite plans to create ever more cohesive world governance. It is no coincidence in our view that the West has fought hard on the ground in Iraq, Afghanistan and increasingly in Pakistan. This is the penultimate war for global control in our view, a struggle that will determine how fast the Anglo-American elite realizes its larger goals (if it does) in the early 21st century.

From our point of view it is ironic that what may be characterized as a struggle for world domination is playing out once again against the rugged terrain of Afghanistan. If one accepts that the Chinese, and the BRICs generally, will go along with some variant of the West's "New World Order," (increasingly centralized global governance) then one might make the argument that these hard-headed tribes are among the only remaining impediments.

Conclusion: The West has upped the ante by involving NATO in the Afghan war as part of a deliberate strategy to turn it from a Western defensive vehicle into a truly international enforcer of the Anglosphere's vision of democracy, for better or worse. There is thus a lot at stake in Afghanistan, which is why we continually return to it. The war is being waged against ragged men in funny turbans but, really, there is nothing funny at all about the war in Afghanistan.


Of course the aim is centralized control in Kabul at any cost....
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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Re: * Editorial: Afghanistan
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2010, 11:27:33 PM »
Nethier Suharto nor Marcos were really bad guys, despite all standing claims.

What can you do with such an archepelago, fellow, but not let it 'go'?



Young and brilliant, Marcos circa 1968 - true ethnic Philipino [Ilocano]



Imelda took it way too far, leaving Macoy in fear of the 'who wears the pants factor





In June 1983, Marcos decided to take on the US over rent on the bases.  His days were numbered.

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Re: Are The Saudi “Royal Family Jewish?
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2010, 08:58:06 PM »
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2010, 09:21:33 AM »
Of course the Saudis are Jewish ..... otherwise they would feel the constant sting of america invasions, and Israeli car bombs

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Re: Are The Saudi “Royal Family Jewish?
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2011, 10:55:31 AM »
Of course the Saudis are Jewish ..... otherwise they would feel the constant sting of america invasions, and Israeli car bombs

I just found this website site, you and Laconas and Ducky can check this one, please let me know what you think about it.


The above document was signed by Ibn Saud of the French pledges to give Palestine to the Jews Roughly it translates as "I am the Sultan Abdul Aziz Bin Abdul Rahman Al Saud al-Faisal and I acknowledge and admit to Sir Percy Cox, delegate of Great Britain, that I have no objection to giving Palestine to the Jews or other poor."
   
Jewish origin of Saudis and Wahabis
March 17, 2010
   
The embarrassing origin of the House of Al-Saud is not just questionable, but well known. The standard LIE from all such puppets and donkeys installed by the Americans and Brits as super dictators over their people is that their ancestral lineage goes back to the Hashmite clan. Nothing could be farther from the truth. In reality, the ancestral lineage of the Al-Sauds goes back to the Jewish tribe of Banu Qunaiqa of 7th century Arabia.
 
And that's not the end of the story.  The 18th century founder of the Wahabi sect, Muhammed ibn Abd Al Wahhab, had his origin from the Jewish community of Turkey.  His grandfather was a Turkish Jew.   U.S. news sources on the web are trying to throw a damper on it by claiming that the former Iraqi intelligence of Saddam era is the source of this information.  But no evidence of that either.  Even if the former Iraqi intelligence was one of the sources of exposing this secret, it only provides evidence supporting the notion that the former Iraqi regime had nothing to do with Al-Qaeda (a quasi Wahabi organization) as Saddam openly hated such groups.
 
It's officially accepted that present day 'Saudi Arabia' is the outcome of an alliance between Muhammed ibn Abd Al Wahhab and Muhammed Ibn Saud started in the 18th century.  The deal was for Ibn Saud to protect Al Wahhab and allow him to spread his fanatical anti-Quranic values in the name of "Islam," and in return, Al-Wahab would offer recognition to Saud’s rule as the head of the "Islamic Ummah."
 
In reality, the Arabian peninsula has been occupied since the last 200 plus years by a grand orthodox Jewish alliance in the garb of Islam.  But their secret loyalty and affections are still firmly grounded within their roots.   What a pretty story behind the Saud / Wahab treachery, duping 1.3 billion Muslims around the world and their sincere pact of 'brotherhood' with the White House, Pentagon and 10 Downing Street.

Check the information on the genealogy of the Sauds

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This is a photo of Zionist Ezra Bilbol who engineered this meeting, which served the Zionist military Astbaratnea in military and intelligence operations. Here you have the former President of Israel, Moshe Katsav, receiving Ezra Bilbol in honor of his birthday. Ibn Saud who had served as head of the Zionist state had visualized and dreamed of this moment for quite some time.


This is a photo of an Ibn Saud gathering and King Faisal of Iraq along with leaders of the Zionist Organization on board the Lauren in 1949.



This is custodian of the Zionist Dajjal racist state of Israel, Abdul Aziz ibn Saud Najdi, king and patron of the Wahhabi/Salafi/Ahle Hadith Ulema from Najd Saudi Arabia.


A Zionist Engineer built the first palaces in Saudi Arabia and Ibn Saud Ibn Saud did not even send blankets and food to displaced Palestinians.

MEANWHILE BACK IN THE WEST.....


British spy, Thomas E. Lawrence, was sent to Arabia to work with the Wahhabi sect by assisting ibn Abdul.

Here we have a perfect example of how movies and popular media have been used to rewrite history for the modern world. Lawrence's story was filmed and given greatest of honours by Zionist-owned Hollywood. While it reinforced the Kingdom as purely Muslim, far from the lands and beliefs of Israel, it was also an exciting and haunting film. In truth, it is a fairy tale, a dose of misinformation, cast in the romance and excitement of a bygone age when all of man's motives were either lofty and good, or low and evil.


I see here an image of the great white leader, his darker companion watching him intently for a clue or sign of comprehension or guidance.

Here is a short review of the times on Lawrence of Arabia.

"In every age there are people who are born with the genes of their parents but the hearts and souls of another land. When they find that land they become something more than they ever were back in the old country. With typical British Imperial racism, they are said to have "gone native", an intended insult but actually more of a compliment than the speaker realizes.

Lawrence strides across the desert sands and finds that he is no longer an Englishman, was never an Englishman. He is an Arab and the Arabs by birth have no trouble seeing this. The wonder is that the English never did. Of course, considering their all consuming vanity, they never really did consider the validity or grace of any other culture.

Peter O'Toole became famous from this portrayal with good reason: he's overwhelmingly good. (He also strongly resembles the real T E Lawrence). Likewise, Omar Sharif hit the big time in Hollywood because of his equally passionate performance. It's a perfect piece of casting. One blond-haired, blue-eyed, fair-skinned Englishman seeking the simplicity of the desert and one raven-haired, dark-eyed, dark-skinned Arab seeking the complexity of politics. They play off each other like night and day, two sides of the same coin. Two men, set both with and against each other."
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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Re: Are The Saudi “Royal Family Jewish?
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2011, 12:33:23 PM »
Of course the Saudis are Jewish ..... otherwise they would feel the constant sting of america invasions, and Israeli car bombs

I'm still waiting for someone to cite anything worth running that the Jews don't run.     Surely there must be something !

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Re: Are The Saudi “Royal Family Jewish?
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2011, 02:39:15 PM »
I do not click into links, please post the entire article.

Thank you.


It's the same article as the first one on this thread, but the page has other articles regarding the Saud House.
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Re: Are The Saudi “Royal Family Jewish?
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2011, 03:05:16 PM »

It's the same article as the first one on this thread, but the page has other articles regarding the Saud House.

Please go ahead and post some of the articles, Angel.
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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Re: * Editorial: Afghanistan
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2011, 03:32:05 PM »
All these Arabs are worthless  ..... every leader has screwed their people   .....Adminjidad will walk them into WW3 (a total zio clown with his holocaust conferences)

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Re: * Editorial: Afghanistan
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2011, 07:52:06 PM »
All these Arabs are worthless  ..... every leader has screwed their people   .....Adminjidad will walk them into WW3 (a total zio clown with his holocaust conferences)

It will be interesting to see the next picks. If you are correct that he is zio clown, well, that's too bad. Who is left?

Iran's Ahmadinejad fires 14 senior advisers (Roundup)

Jan 2, 2011, 19:39 GMT

Tehran - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
has fired 14 of his senior advisers, the Mehr news agency reported Sunday.

One of the president's most senior advisers and closest aide for five years, Mehdi Kalhor, confirmed the dismissals, including his own, but said he did not know the reason.

The media and cultural adviser said he and the other 13 received Sunday a letter of thanks and appreciation from the president without further elaboration.

Observers believe the dismissals might be political or a cost- cutting move. If political, it remains to be seen whether the new advisers are technocrats or more ideological.

Ahmadinejad has been criticized for appointing deputies, ministers and advisers because of their ideological leanings rather than their technical qualifications.

The dismissals come nearly three weeks after the president sacked foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki.

Mottaki was replaced by the chief of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization, Ali-Akbar Salehi. He is a technocrat who is more familiar with the dispute over the country's nuclear programmes and considered more diplomatic than his predecessor.
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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Re: * Editorial: Afghanistan
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2011, 06:05:29 AM »
Americans are sick of the crap economy  .... there will have to a massive attack  (nuke) to get everyone moving ..... and there will have to be a string of attacks on the major NATO partners to attack Iran

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Re: * Editorial: Afghanistan
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2011, 04:55:47 PM »
Americans are sick of the crap economy  .... there will have to a massive attack  (nuke) to get everyone moving ..... and there will have to be a string of attacks on the major NATO partners to attack Iran

Funny how the Lame Steam Media loves to tell us otherwise:

Gold steady after falls on upbeat U.S. job data

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Spot gold prices were steady on Thursday, after falling to a three-week low in the previous session, as upbeat U.S. employment data dented safe-haven appetite, setting the focus on more detailed non-farm payrolls data on Friday.

FUNDAMENTALS

* Spot gold was little changed at $1,376.49 an ounce at 0033 GMT, after touching $1,363.8 in the previous session, its lowest since Dec 16.

* U.S. gold futures gained 0.2 percent to $1,376.8.

* Holdings in the world's largest gold-backed exchange-traded fund, SPDR Gold Trust, continued to slip, down to a seven-month low of 1,272.682 tones by Jan 5, down 2 percent from 1,297.726 tones on Dec 7 when gold hit the record high.

* The U.S. services sector grew last month at its quickest pace since mid-2006 and private-sector hiring was triple economists' forecasts, though recovery across Europe remained mixed.

* The dollar held on to its gains from the precious session, and is seen to strengthen after strong private employment data lifted hopes for Friday's non-farm payrolls data.

* Inflation remains a top concern for China, the world's second largest economy. China's central bank governor Zhou Xiaochuan warned that inflation was mounting and that more could be done to guide the growth of money.

(Reporting By Rujun Shen; Editing by Ed Lane)


http://beta.ca.news.yahoo.com/gold-steady-falls-upbeat-u-job-data-20110105-165309-973.html
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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Re: * Editorial: Afghanistan
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2011, 07:43:14 PM »
I remember telling everyone to buy gold at $270, five years ago.  Jacob Judicial pushed that big.

Go to a mall and there are kiosks buying gold. There is only one way out of this mess, and that my sweet young friend is "Das Reeducation Kamps". Train loads from New York, the crisp young aryans in their uniforms, "Schnell Schnell, Rouse Rouse".

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Re: Are The Saudi “Royal Family Jewish?
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2011, 07:48:28 PM »
Please go ahead and post some of the articles, Angel.


Not all focus on their Jewish ethnicity.

Title of archived articles:


Prince Bandar's days are numbered in Washington!
US children being Sex Slaves in Saudi Arabia
Saudi Intelligence uses Internet Pornography tactics
Saudi Arabia leading the International Sex Slave business
Why does Washington protect the Saudis
Washington blocks parents of Kidnapped children
Dr. Muhammad al-Masari
Prisoners in Saudi jails
Hassan As-Sarehi
Saudis & the UK torture report
Prince Bandar's Arabian Night
Brief background of Saudi figures
Prince Bandar and Lina Al-Bassam
BCCI Scandal
Prince Al-Waleed
Bad checks by Saudi princess
The US and Saudis after the bombing
Princess Haifa Bint Faisal
Muslims' tragedies in Mekka
Prince Ahmed Salman
Muslim Somalis got kicked out of Saudi
Saudis abuse foreigners
Curtains in Riyadh
The Ikhwan "al-Mutawa'a"
Comparision between Saudi and Kuwait
Bandar and his weird request for the US
Al-MAJLIS and al-Saud House
Arabia, a country in crisis
Female British nurses
Saudi economy in crisis
The Politics of Neighbours
From behind the Veil
The Gulf war and Saudi Arabia
Saudi - Israeli Relations
Abdullah's invitation to Rafsanjani
Arabia in the Media
Al-Waleed bin Talal
Saudi Regime and Aliens
Sultan and his visions
Hunger Strike
Royal Saudi succession


US CHILDREN AS A TARGET OF THE INTERNATIONAL SEX SLAVE TRADE
We will center on the non-parental child theft within the United States by the Saudi princes and their associates. The Saudi princes and their associates purchase US children both male and female as sex slaves. Saud princes are willing to pay dearly for the right quality child (product) and consider virgins as the top of the line. The children are usually shipped in private planes or boats by Saudi princes. They are drugged to be malleable so as not to make disturbances. Some are recruited within the United States or Northern Europe for fictitious jobs as models or actresses while others are purchased from local procurers. Once in Saudi Arabia the girls and boys are whisked off to the palace of the purchasing prince. A prince is absolute ruler of his compound. Architecturally, the compounds are designed with slave quarters included. Within the palace walls whatever the prince says goes, there are no government restrictions to his will. If a slave escapes they are immediately brought back by the Saudi security police to the responsible prince who may do with them as he pleases. They rarely escape since they spend most of their time within the confined parts of the palace compound under supervision. When the prince entertains his male friends he provides them with both male and female child sex slaves for their enjoyment. If he tires of a child sex slave he will sell it to another prince or sheik. It is believed once these sex slaves have outlived their usefulness they are dumped into Rubal Khali. It would be to dangerous to free them for fear of potential embarrassment to Saudi Arabian public relations abroad. One hears many stories along the Cote d'Azure of young girls being enticed to luxurious parties given by Saudi princes never to be seen again. Many young girls and boys along the French coast have stories of Saudi princes trying to entice them into their planes or boats for "a ride". The Saudi princes have grown so sophisticated in enticing young girls and boys, they have even financed their own modeling and companion agencies within Europe and the United States to insure top quality merchandise and cut out the middle men. Many models have stories of being solicited by Saudi princes or friends who have disappeared.

STATE DEPARTMENT INTRANSIGENCE

Saudi Arabia's participation in international slavery has long been known by State Department careerists who are powerless to react for fear they will be destroyed professionally or will lose the deferred payments promised by Prince Bandar upon their retirement. One has mentioned off the record the widespread knowledge within the State Department of Saudi child theft within the US. Many of the kidnappings in the United States are easily masked within the larger number of runaways each year. The breakdown of the US family has enabled the Saudi princes and their procurers to "special order" kidnap without much concern for law enforcement who are usually looking for someone within the local area. One should often wonder when seeing girls and boys faces in the post office or milk carton wanted ads how many have been "disappeared" to Saudi Arabia.

CHILD MOLESTERS: A BEHAVIORAL ANALYSIS

We do know Saudi princes collect and swap child pornography between themselves. They are said to have their own child sex pornography exchange where pictures of their youngest sex slaves are the most in demand. National Center for Missing & Exploited Children reports: "It is difficult to know with certainty why pedophiles collect child pornography and erotica. ... Collecting this material may help pedophiles satisfy, deal with or reinforce their compulsive, persistent sexual fantasies about children. ... Collecting may also fulfill needs for validation. ... Pedophiles swap pornographic photographs ... As they add to their collections, they get strong reinforcement from each other for their behavior. The collecting and trading process becomes a common bond. ... Child pornography and child erotica are used for the sexual arousal and gratification of pedophiles. ... The younger the child and the more bizarre the acts, the greater the value of the pornography." M114A In order for the Saudi princes to obtain these very young children who are too young to be on their own, the usual "special order" is placed with their procurers so these children can be snatched from their parents. Again, local police are trained through Washington financed programs to look for kidnapping locally. Washington denies the existence of the international child sex slave industry just as the Justice Department denied the existence of the Mafia as an international crime syndicate. For several decades the Justice Department called all crime local allowing the Mafia to thrive in the US. Now the Justice Department calls all nonparental child kidnapping local and finances police training accordingly. Ambassador Prince Bandar's Washington retainers see to it that very little is mentioned about the international Saudi prince child sex slave trade. Remember, one old Washington maxim is: "The one who controls the investigation wins."
SAUDI PRINCES AND THE MODELING RACKET

It is quite well known within the international slave trade that Saudi princes are high end buyers. There are few countries that do not have procurers working with the international child sex industry. Saudi Princes contract out "special order" requests in various cities with their local procurers from the barrios of Brazil, London's Leichester Square, Paris's Place de Pompidou. Due to the recent lax border regulations in Scandinavia, the princes now get their fair haired children from immigrant procurers. In the United States shopping malls, amusement parks and video parlors are prowled by procurers. The Princes not only do not like dealing with the seemlier elements of the international child sex industry such as the street procurers but see the danger of the media picking their activities up, hence their own modeling agencies. Lately, Saudi princes have begun moving into the modeling agency business to recruit male and female models for some shoot in a distant land never to be heard of again.

PRINCE FAISAL'S SEX RING IN HOUSTON

As we saw in the third issue Prince Faisal built a marble palace on Kirby in the posh River Oaks section of Houston. He had procurers go to various areas where young people congregated and bring them back to his palace. The prince had a continual party fueled by a stream procured teenagers both male and female. It was relatively easy for the procurers as the word got out about the sumptuous surroundings of the prince. The prince had the best of foods, drink and drugs available every day for his continual party. We do not know if any of these teenagers were enticed to Saudi Arabia. We have been told there was a hushed scandal where after the prince left abruptly apparently never to return. His favored girls lived at his palace, each had a leased car and the capability to go to the exclusive Saks Pavilion Shops near the Galleria and charge clothes to the Prince. Mohammed Al Fassi became so infamous with his perpetual party at his palace in Beverly Hills that he was run out of town after painting the genitals of his statues. Again, we do not know if any of the young attendees ended up in Saudi Arabia.

CAN SAUDI PRINCES BE CONSIDERED PEDOPHILES?

Many of the Saudi Princes would definitely be considered pedophiles and child molesters if subject to the laws of the United States. Within their own country they would probably not be prosecuted as pedophiles. When a Saudi prince abducts a child from the US, once in Saudi Arabia the child is considered his total responsibility to do with what he may. The State Department in their human rights report have justified Saud family slavery by saying; " it is part of the Saud family culture deeply embedded within the mores and filches of the society".M115

CHILD SEX RINGS: A BEHAVIORAL ANALYSIS

The National Center for Missing & Exploited children reports: "The rule of thumb that psychiatrists and others use is that there must be an age difference of five years. ... child sex ring is defined as one or more offenders simultaneously involved with several child victims. ... In the syndicated (child sex) ring, a well-structured organization recruits children, produces pornography, delivers direct sexual services, and establishes an extensive network of customers. ... Maintaining control is very important in the operation of a child sex ring. It takes a certain amount of skill and cunning to maintain a simultaneous sexual relationship with multiple partners. It is especially difficult if you have the added pressure of concealing illegal behavior. In order to operate a child sex ring, an offender has to know how to control and manipulate children. ... control is primarily maintained through attention, affection, and gifts -- part of the seduction process."M116

GOVERNOR PRINCE MOHAMMED AND HIS SEX RING

The Committee for the Defense of Legitimate Rights in Saudi Arabia based in London through their Saudi dissident leader Mr Masari said; "one regional Governor, whom he accused of tolerating drug users and child sex rings".M117 Prince Mohammed bin Fahd, Governor of the Eastern Province has been accused by the Al Saud newsletter of condoning sex slavery within his administered area. We have been told Governor Prince Mohammed is an active participant in the child sex rings of the Eastern Province. We have been told he has parties for his friends with child sex as the main entertainment. Governor Prince Mohammed likes Hollywood where there are many boys and girls from which to entice into becoming sex slaves in Saudi Arabia under the ruse of film and modeling contracts. These sex slaves are allegedly sold and resold until they are used up whereupon they are helicoptered over Rubal Khali and dumped.

BRITISH MINISTER OF DEFENSE ALLEGED TO BE PROCURER OF FEMALES FOR PRINCE MOHAMMED

Speaking of Jonathan Aitken, the London Times reports: "But he had been in the Cabinet barely a year when he resigned to clear his name of media allegations of being dependent on Saudi money and procuring women for Arabs."M118 Again, international media frequently attribute the degenerate behavior of Saudi princes to Arabs in general. In this case, Governor of the Eastern Province and son of King Fahd, Prince Mohammed used Aitken as a procurer of young girls through Aitken's health club.

SAUDI HEADMASTER ACCUSED OF MOLESTING BOY

Amnesty International reports; "Dr Mohammed Khalifa an Egyptian doctor working in Saudi Arabia, received 80 lashes in May. He had been tried on charges of slandering a Saudi Arabian headmaster whom he had accused of sexually abusing his son."M119 It is doubtful if their was a Saudi Government investigation of merit, especially when the child was the son of a guest worker.

KING FAHD'S NEPHEWS RAPISTS!

A young girl heard her father had died while she was visiting King Fahd's nephew in Boston. He and his friends gang raped her after she became traumatized by the news of her father's death. When asked why, one of the participants said they just wanted to see what it was like to have sex with a girl who was so sad. It is not known if the State Department gave these rapists retroactive diplomatic immunity or other assistance. It is known nothing happened to the assailants.

KING FAHD IS CAUGHT RAPING A YOUNG FRENCH GIRL

Before Fahd worked his way up to become King, he was a degenerate Prince who squandered Arabian Peninsula oil money on gambling along the Riviera. One day while eating he spotted a little French girl and told friends he had to have her immediately. He had his associates bring the girl to his suite at the hotel whereupon he raped her. He had promised not to penetrate her fully so as to traumatize her but he did. The girl was screaming so loudly that two hotel security men appeared. There was blood everywhere with the little girl hysterical. Fahd paid off the two guards to keep quiet and take the little girl. Fahd then paid off the parents of the little French girl and the matter was dropped. No criminal charges were ever filed.

PRINCE SULTAN'S CHILD SEX SLAVES

Prince Sultan is Ambassador Prince Bandar's father. He has a former child sex slave, now older than he desires, in Paris supply him with female children on "special order". Prince Sultan seeks young girls who are loyal, subservient and sexual. These young girls are treated reasonably well by him indulging them with gifts and large amounts of cash bonuses and salaries. We believe he returns these girls to Paris after he tires of them with generous compensation. These children can only be considered sex slaves because of their age. Recently, Prince Sultan purchased seven young French girls from this Parisian procurer to satisfy his needs. He keeps these female child sex slaves away from the eyes of his friends.

HYPOCRITICAL SAUDI GOVERNMENT!

The London Times reports: "Executions in Saudi Arabia are prescribed for murder, rape, drug smuggling and child abuse, and carried out in public outside a mosque after prayers on Fridays."M120 If the Saud family abided by it's own laws there would be many Saudi princes who would meet the fate of beheading. Hypocrisy is rampant in Saudi Arabia.

MANILA ISSUES SAUDI SEX WARNING TO MIGRANT MAIDS

London Times reports: "The Philippines government, responding to dozens of tragic cases of maltreatment, has warned young women going to work as maids in Saudi Arabia that they will be sexually harassed by Saudi men and slapped about by their Saudi mistresses. ... You have to ward off advances by your master, his brother, son and other male members of the household. ... the Philippines labour ministry has also told young male workers heading to Saudi Arabia that they must expect to be at risk of rape."M121 Never does a Saudi prince get charged let alone beheaded for raping a male or female immigrant worker in Saudi Arabia. When they are caught in such criminal activities within the United States Washington gives them diplomatic or retroactive diplomatic immunity.

PRIME MINISTER OF BANGLADESH SPEAKS OUT AGAINST CHILD SLAVERY

Shaykha Hasina Wajed, the Prime Minister, has expressed her determination to curb criminal activities relating to the abuse of women and children. She is known to be appalled by the practice of smuggling Bangladeshi children to the Middle East to be used as jockeys in camel racing, and has succeeded in curbing the practice through increased border surveillance.M122 Saudi princes order child slaves for certain specialties. European and US children are desirable as sex slaves. Bangladeshi child slaves are ideal for camel jockeys because of their diminutive stature.

US CHILD SEX SLAVE MYSTERY ON THE NILE

There are many incidences of people being approached by escaping Saudi slaves within the United States. Rarely is there an occurrence of people being approached by a Saudi child sex slave outside the US trying to escape. The reason is that they are kept in seclusion within the palaces rarely to leave or be seen by anyone but the prince and his male friends. Recently, two German male students were on a tour boat going down the Nile. They were looking at the river bank as it passed by when all of a sudden a door opened nearby and a young girl ran out. She said she was an American and begged their help saying she had been kidnapped by this Saudi prince who was inside months before in the United States. She was hysterical but never mentioned her name in the brief encounter. Two men shortly appeared and spread their jackets showing shoulder holster guns in a threatening way. They then took the girl on either side and went back behind the door. Upon docking one student watched to see if the American girl left while the other called the US Embassy. After repeated referrals the German student explained what had happened to an Embassy officer but was told the Embassy could do nothing unless they knew the girls name. When the German student continually pleaded with the Embassy officer for help the official became angered and hung up. The American girl never was seen leaving the boat by the two German students.

WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY ADMINISTRATOR SEXUALLY SOLICITS A KUWAITI

Washington Report reports: "Hamad Alqahatani, a Kuwaiti student attending Northern Virginia Community College in Fairfax, VA has filed a $3 million lawsuit against George Washington University in Washington, DC on charges of discrimination. According to Alqahantani, when he attempted to transfer to GW last year, E. Donald Driver, then director of GW's Office of International Services, told him that he would be admitted if he paid a $10,000 bribe or if he had sex with one of Driver's male colleagues. In response to Alqahatani's bewilderment at the request, Driver allegedly responded that Arabs are known to be "rich and homosexual. --- American-Arab Anti-Descrimination Committee --- current chair said: 'The ordeal suffered by Mr Alqahatani is degrading and dehumanizing. Unfortunately, it demonstrates how stereotypes can serve as the basis for discriminatory action.'" M123 It is appalling that this young student is subjected to this behavior by an authority who could have suborned him if Mr Alqahatani was not strong enough to go public and use the laws available in the US to seek justice. Unfortunately, when a Saud family torture victim was institutionally raped by Saud family authorities he did not have such legal recourse available.
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Re: * Editorial: Afghanistan
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2011, 07:54:21 PM »
the crisp young aryans in their uniforms, "Schnell Schnell, Rouse Rouse".



From the movie 'Die Brucke'.

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Re: * Editorial: Afghanistan
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2011, 08:01:34 PM »



Ya  vol, we have 40 trains coming in from New York. I want you to be polite, naturally if the Juden are uncooperative then use 'Das Dogs'

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Re: * Editorial: Afghanistan
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2011, 09:50:35 PM »
I remember telling everyone to buy gold at $270, five years ago.  Jacob Judicial pushed that big.

Go to a mall and there are kiosks buying gold. There is only one way out of this mess, and that my sweet young friend is "Das Reeducation Kamps". Train loads from New York, the crisp young aryans in their uniforms, "Schnell Schnell, Rouse Rouse".

Unfortunately time flies Jacob....  :P 

"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.