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« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2010, 05:07:29 AM »
For sure the Chinese improve and fine tune concepts the Germans came-up with, but they haven't created a new concept.

Let's not overlook history.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions 

But certainly, the Germans have a knack for both designing and engineering great stuff.    The Italians are great at styling things.  And the French do what they do. 

But the Chinese, (and the Japanese for that matter), are very powerful innovators in their own right.  The macro dynamics, however, appear to be different.  Culturally, they more grounded in convention.  They would not pursue an innovation that would abruptly alter their culture.  Innovation is slower but more continuous in a direction, until it's almost too functional, as in the japanese toilet.
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« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2010, 06:52:11 AM »
Let's not overlook history.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions 

But certainly, the Germans have a knack for both designing and engineering great stuff.    The Italians are great at styling things.  And the French do what they do. 

But the Chinese, (and the Japanese for that matter), are very powerful innovators in their own right.  The macro dynamics, however, appear to be different.  Culturally, they more grounded in convention.  They would not pursue an innovation that would abruptly alter their culture.  Innovation is slower but more continuous in a direction, until it's almost too functional, as in the japanese toilet.

What the Japanese are doing with their toilet is the German innovative concept, they and the rest of the world at this time are imitating the thought process of the GIC. The Japanese and the rest of the world have taken the GIC and have made into a tradition. The Japanese wouldn't be thinking about making a better toilet if it wasn't for the Germans in the late 19th century who created the concept.

Everybody in the whole world knows the Germans build great mechanical shit -- everybody. The only group who doesn't seem to know it are the people who run academia and write our history books because were still living in WWII propaganda and the Jews do not want to acknowledge that such a concept was ever born at a certain time and was created by a certain group of people. The fact billions around the world think in terms of the GIC makes it one of the handful of great movements in history. In the end it's not the stuff Germans created in the 100 yr period but the concept of how they did it that will endure forever.

As far as the Chines inventions, they are significant but the concept of innovation didn't exist in Chinese culture for others to build on their shoulders, so it was a cultural dead end in the same way the Greek who made the first steam engine in the 1st century, or the Antikythera, that computer with gears and stuff. Chinese and Greek culture during the time of these inventions had not yet grasped the concept of innovation as a cultural movement. We cannot imagine living in a world without technological innovations, but that only our world because of 19th century Germans, but for most of history humans didn't think in these terms.

A couple of  more cultural dead ends that were revived. Athenian democracy was revived in the 19th century -- during its time it died out. Domes and arches have been found in Egypt and Greece 1000 yrs before the Romans revived them and turned them into practical building components.
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« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2010, 08:22:42 AM »
if it wasn't for the Germans in the late 19th century who created the concept.

Germans have a keen sense of vision for making life more enjoyable, which means less work, more quality and comfort.  But the execution is done in a socially sensitive way, not like how greedy corporations or modern western gov'ts would do it (if they ever did).    
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« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2010, 11:26:39 AM »
I have no idea, but I doubt any change will come to N. America and Europe with Jews running the banks of the world.

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The only thing I see in the near future depends upon what the BRIC countries(Brazil, Russia, India, China) do shake-off the Jewish stranglehold.

Will they manage to do it? Who knows. Or will we be living in a Multi-Polar World where the House of Rothschild still figures prominently?   

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« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2010, 12:19:56 PM »
Germans have a keen sense of vision for making life more enjoyable, which means less work, more quality and comfort.  But the execution is is done in a socially sensitive way, not like how greedy corporations or modern western gov'ts would do it (if they ever did).   

No argument here.

Any original concept, new or improved device, product, material, business process or service falls within the definition of innovation.

The Japanese have excelled when it comes to innovations.

Japan is a resilient country, with an undying spirit to excel. With renewed vigor, the nation has ascended to
glorious heights after each setback that it has encountered.

China success is `weapons of mass production`.

They are the three scariest words in U.S. industry. Cut your price at least 30% or lose your customers.
Nearly every manufacturer is vulnerable`”from furniture to networking gear.

The result: a massive shift in economic power is underway. (Thanks to our greedy globalists)
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« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2010, 06:24:21 PM »
China success is `weapons of mass production`.

There's some good Chinese movies out there on the history of China.  Those will get you interested to dig into the greater history of it.  It goes way back, but just gets more interesting going forward. 

But jew history twists everything.  When you hear Nanking now you think "Rape of" and not Treaty of Nanking
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« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2010, 07:57:29 PM »
Germans accomplished all that without massive uncontrolled immigration, to boot.  US politicians babble about how America is a land where hard-working immigrants can pursue their dreams.  Yeah we have lots of patents going to immigrants, but what does that say about our educational system or our Wall St-led financing which pours $$billions into Facebook-type junk & zero into science, infrastructure etc?  Oh well, what if Hitler had been a little more patient & waited until Germany got the Bomb...?

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« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2010, 08:13:59 PM »
Germans accomplished all that without massive uncontrolled immigration, to boot.  US politicians babble about how America is a land where hard-working immigrants can pursue their dreams.  Yeah we have lots of patents going to immigrants, but what does that say about our educational system or our Wall St-led financing which pours $$billions into Facebook-type junk & zero into science, infrastructure etc?  Oh well, what if Hitler had been a little more patient & waited until Germany got the Bomb...?




   
The Plot Against America

by Philip Roth




About The Plot Against America

Set in Newark, New Jersey, in the early 1940s, The Plot Against America tells the story of what it was like for the Roth family and Jews across the country when the isolationist aviation hero Charles Lindbergh was elected president of the United States.

Roth's richly imagined novel begins in 1940, with the landslide election of Lindbergh, who blamed the Jews for pushing America toward war with Nazi Germany. Lindbergh's admiration of Hitler and his openly anti-Semitic speeches cause increasing turmoil in the Roth household, and in nine-year-old Philip, as political events at home and abroad overtake their daily lives. Alvin, the orphaned nephew the family has taken in, runs away to Canada to fight the Nazis. Sandy, Philip's older brother, ascribes his parents' fears to paranoia and embraces Lindbergh's Just Folks program, which sends him and other Jewish children to live in the "heartland" for a summer. Philip's mother, Bess, wants the family to flee to Canada before it is too late to escape. But his fiercely idealistic father, Herman, refuses to abandon the country where he was born and raised as an American. Overwhelmed by the tensions around him, Philip tries to run away. "I wanted nothing to do with history," he says. "I wanted to be a boy on the smallest scale possible. I wanted to be an orphan." But history will not let go, and as America is whipped into a deadly frenzy by demagogues, the Roths and Jews everywhere begin to expect the worst.

In The Plot Against America Philip Roth writes with a historical sweep and lyrical intimacy that have rarely been so skillfully combined. As the novel explores the convulsive collision of history and family, readers take a chilling look at devastating events that could have occurred in America--and consider the many possible histories existing beneath the one that actually happened.


About Philip Roth
In 1997 Philip Roth won the Pulitzer Prize for American Pastoral. In 1998 he received the National Medal of Arts at the White House, and in 2002 received the highest award of the American Academy of Arts and Letters, the Gold Medal in Fiction, previously awarded to John Dos Passos, William Faulkner, and Saul Bellow, among others. He has twice won the National Book Award, the PEN/Faulkner Award, and the National Book Critics Circle Award.

In 2005 Philip Roth will become the third living American writer to have his work published in a comprehensive, definitive edition by the Library of America. The last of the eight volumes is scheduled for publication in 2013.


Questions for Discussion
The discussion questions that follow are designed to enliven your group's discussion of Pulitzer Prize winner Philip Roth's extraordinary new novel, The Plot Against America.

1. In what ways does The Plot Against America differ from conventional historical fiction? What effects does Roth achieve by blending personal history, historical fact, and an alternative history that might have happened?

2. The novel begins "Fear presides over these memories, a perpetual fear" [p. 1]. With this sentence Roth establishes that his story is being told from an adult point of view by an adult narrator who is remembering what befell his family, over sixty years earlier, when he was a boy between the ages of seven and nine. Why else does Roth open the novel this way? What role does fear play throughout the book?

3. How plausible is the alternative history that Roth imagines? How would the world be different if America had not entered the war, or entered it on the side of Germany?

4. When the Roth family plans to go to Washington, young Philip wants to take his stamp collection with him because he fears that, since he did not remove the ten-cent Lindbergh stamp, "a malignant transformation would occur in my absence, causing my unguarded Washingtons to turn into Hitlers, and swastikas to be imprinted on my National Parks" [p. 57]. What does this passage suggest about how the Lindbergh election has affected the boy? Where else does this kind of "magical thinking" occur in the novel?

5. Herman Roth asserts that "history is everything that happens everywhere. Even here in Newark. Even here on Summit Avenue. Even what happens in this house to an ordinary man `” that'll be history too someday" [p. 180]. How does this conception of history differ from traditional definitions? In what ways does the novel support this claim? How is the history of the Roth family relevant to the history of America?

6. After Mrs. Wishnow is murdered, young Philip thinks, "And now she was inside a casket, and I was the one who put her there" [p. 336]. Is he to some degree responsible for her death? How has his desire to save his own family endangered hers?

7. Observing his mother's anguished confusion, Philip discovers that "one could do nothing right without also doing something wrong" [p. 341]. Where in the novel does the attempt to do something right also result in doing something wrong? What is Roth suggesting here about the moral complexities of actions and their consequences?

8. When Herman Roth is explaining the deals Hitler has made with Lindbergh, Roth comments, "The pressure of what was happening was accelerating everyone's education, my own included" [p. 101]. What is Philip learning? In what ways is history robbing him of a normal childhood? Why does he want to run away?

9. What motivates Rabbi Bengelsdorf, Aunt Evelyn, and Sandy to embrace Lindbergh and dismiss Herman Roth's fears as paranoia? Are they right? In what ways do their personal aspirations affect their perceptions of what is happening?

10. In what ways are Bess and Herman Roth heroic? How do they respond to the crises that befall them? How are they able to hold their family together?

11. Roth observes that violence, when it's in a house, is heartbreaking: "like seeing the clothes in a tree after an explosion. You may be prepared to see death but not the clothes in a tree" [p. 296]. What causes Herman Roth and Alvin to fight each other so viciously? What is it that brings the violence swirling around them off the streets and into the house? Why is violence in a home so much more disturbing than on the street or the battlefield?

12. Much is at stake in The Plot Against America `” the fate of America's Jews, the larger fate of Europe and indeed of Western civilization, but also how America will define itself. What does the novel suggest about what it means to be an American, and to be a Jewish American? In what ways are the Roths a thoroughly American family?

13. What does the Postscript, particularly the "True Chronology of the Major Figures," add to the novel?


Recommended for Further Reading
Saul Bellow, Mr. Sammler's Planet
Tadeusz Borowski, This Way for the Gas, Ladies and Gentlemen
Leonard Dinnerstein, Anti-Semitism in America
Marion Kaplan, Between Dignity and Despair: Jewish Life in Nazi Germany
Jerzy Kozinski, The Painted Bird
Primo Levi, The Periodic Table
Bernard Malamud, The Fixer
Isaac Bashevis Singer, Enemies: A Love Story
Elie Wiesel, Night

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« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2010, 10:18:41 PM »
It was so kind of HoughtonMifflin to provide a study guide to "The Plot Against America"!   Esp with the suggested additional all-Joo/all-dancing reading material.    Let's stretch our imaginations to include an America ruled by Joo banksters & media overlords.  How awful, thank Gawd that never happened.

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« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2010, 10:36:41 PM »
It was so kind of HoughtonMifflin to provide a study guide to "The Plot Against America"!   Esp with the suggested additional all-Joo/all-dancing reading material.    Let's stretch our imaginations to include an America ruled by Joo banksters & media overlords.  How awful, thank Gawd that never happened.

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« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2010, 12:33:50 AM »
In 1935 a jew tried to assassinate Huey Long, the man who could have defeated cryptojew FDR in the 1936 election. Huey Long did not die from the bullet, however, so jewry had one of their doctors botch the surgery in the hospital, to finish the job. And that was how Huey Long died.

I'll bet jewboy Philip Roth never put that fact in his so-called "historical novel."  :P

 

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« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2010, 01:50:23 AM »
In 1935 a jew tried to assassinate Huey Long, the man who could have defeated cryptojew FDR in the 1936 election. Huey Long did not die from the bullet, however, so jewry had one of their doctors botch the surgery in the hospital, to finish the job. And that was how Huey Long died.

I'll bet jewboy Philip Roth never put that fact in his so-called "historical novel."  :P

 

According to wikipedia, Dr. Carl Weiss didn't kill Huey Long.

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Carl Austin Weiss (December 6, 1906 `“ September 8, 1935) was a young Baton Rouge, Louisiana physician who allegedly assassinated U.S. Senator Huey Pierce Long, Jr. on September 8, 1935, though his family has vigorously disputed the assertion most recently in an interview with his son, Dr. Carl Weiss, Jr. on an Unsolved Mysteries program first aired in 1993.[1] Weiss was shot on the spot by Long's bodyguards. The most convincing evidence presented on that program, ostensibly exonerating Dr. Weiss, revolves around the ballistics evidence and the conclusions of the insurance company which issued Huey Long's life insurance policy. Long died from either a .38 caliber or a .45 caliber bullet consistent with the bodyguard's ammunition, while Dr. Weiss actually owned a .32 caliber gun which was not seen by anyone at the scene at the time of the confrontation. The insurance investigators concluded that Long's death was "accidental" and that the stray bullet which eventually killed him had been fired carelessly by one of his bodyguards. The fatal shell, fired at relatively close range, was found by the surgeons lodged in Long's body and the conclusion reached on Unsolved Mysteries was that the fatal bullet had either passed through Dr. Weiss's body first or ricocheted off the solid marble walls. In addition, the surgeon's report noted that Long's lip was cut, bleeding and severely bruised, consistent with the punch to Long's mouth attributed to Dr. Weiss by several observers at the scene.

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« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2010, 06:12:12 AM »
Wikipedia is jew-controlled.

The surgeon who operated on Long in the Louisiana hospital was also a jew. He was the one who actually killed Huey Long.

As for the medical examiner, he was either blackmailed or bribed; take your choice, for the result is the same.

Jews constantly use four methods to stab non-jews in the back: bombs, bullets, blackmail and bribery. And that is just about jewry's order of preference.


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Roth was a pulitzer prize winning author. He also wrote Portnoy's Complaint (1969) , about the sex life of a Jewish teenager, It was a secret autobiography. He talks about jerking off in the clothes hamper, being at the bathroom keyhole, bring his aunt toilet paper as she passed a stool., etc. He had a love-hate relationship with his momma

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« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2010, 09:02:06 AM »
There's some good Chinese movies out there on the history of China.  Those will get you interested to dig into the greater history of it.  It goes way back, but just gets more interesting going forward. 

But jew history twists everything.  When you hear Nanking now you think "Rape of" and not Treaty of Nanking

We did take Chinese History in school. Ming Dynasty, flora, fauna, the first porcelain etc. Much of it I have forgotten (if you don't use it you lose it) but I know how to find it. The Rape of Nanking was not much different from other rapes committed by the Colonists. Apparently we are still a British Colony today.

So regarding China's success is `weapons of mass production` was the best thing that happened for our insatiable globalists, cheaper even than the 'illegal' Mexicans.
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« Reply #35 on: August 18, 2010, 09:05:18 AM »
There's some good Chinese movies out there on the history of China.  Those will get you interested to dig into the greater history of it.  It goes way back, but just gets more interesting going forward. 

But jew history twists everything.  When you hear Nanking now you think "Rape of" and not Treaty of Nanking

P.S. if you come across a good movie online, please send me a link or two, I would love to watch it.
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« Reply #36 on: August 18, 2010, 09:34:40 AM »
Germans accomplished all that without massive uncontrolled immigration, to boot.
 
True. Germans were not a happy bunch when their (controlled) politicians opened floodgates. Just like ''they'' have almost accomplished the browning of America, ''they'' have the same in mind for Germany and the rest of Europe and Australia.

The intent is to destroy the heart of the nation.
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« Reply #37 on: August 18, 2010, 10:04:08 AM »


Roth was a pulitzer prize winning author. He also wrote Portnoy's Complaint (1969) , about the sex life of a Jewish teenager, It was a secret autobiography. He talks about jerking off in the clothes hamper, being at the bathroom keyhole, bring his aunt toilet paper as she passed a stool., etc. He had a love-hate relationship with his momma

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portnoy's_Complaint


He probably led a scared childhood because he wasn't sure if he would be sent to the gassem chambers.


    "To become a celebrity is to become a brand name. There is Ivory Soap, Rice Krispies, and Philip Roth. Ivory is the soap that floats; Rice Krispies the breakfast cereal that goes snap-crackle-pop; Philip Roth the Jew who masturbates with a piece of liver."

           "The Ghosts of Roth," interview with Alan Finkielkraut, Esquire (September 1981)
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« Reply #38 on: August 18, 2010, 10:09:31 AM »
Let's not overlook history.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions 

But certainly, the Germans have a knack for both designing and engineering great stuff. The Italians are great at styling things.  And the French do what they do. 

Impressive list! They certainly knew the value of hemp.

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But the Chinese, (and the Japanese for that matter), are very powerful innovators in their own right.  The macro dynamics, however, appear to be different.  Culturally, they more grounded in convention.  They would not pursue an innovation that would abruptly alter their culture.  Innovation is slower but more continuous in a direction, until it's almost too functional, as in the japanese toilet.



Now that is overkill!   ;D
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« Reply #39 on: August 18, 2010, 10:45:16 AM »
We live in a free country where every vote counts. ::)

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