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Re: Great Basque Stuff - all things Basque
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2010, 11:55:42 PM »
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Re: Great Basque Stuff - all things Basque
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2010, 11:57:10 PM »
I find these Basques fascinating.

Unlike Palestinians, the Basque DO SPEAK A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE.

Unlike Palestinians, the Basque DID HAVE THEIR OWN STATE.

Unlike Palestinians, the Basque DO HAVE A HISTORY!

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Re: Great Basque Stuff - all things Basque
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2010, 11:17:27 AM »
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Re: Great Basque Stuff - all things Basque
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2010, 07:12:04 PM »
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Re: Great Basque Stuff - all things Basque
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2010, 01:54:12 PM »
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Re: Great Basque Stuff - all things Basque
« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2010, 11:44:03 PM »
Billed as a Basque Spanish group.  But the song sounds more Celtic.

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Re: Great Basque Stuff - all things Basque
« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2010, 09:00:37 PM »
The old Divide & Conquer.  During the Tour de France broadcasts one sees many fans waving the Catalan flag & hardly ever the Spanish flag.  & I recently read that Catalonia's ban on bull-fighting was really a jab at the Spanish gov't.

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Re: Great Basque Stuff - all things Basque
« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2010, 06:42:09 PM »
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The old Divide & Conquer.  During the Tour de France broadcasts one sees many fans waving the Catalan flag & hardly ever the Spanish flag.  & I recently read that Catalonia's ban on bull-fighting was really a jab at the Spanish gov't.

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I am not sure where I stand on Catalan Independence.  The Catalan language is a sort of dialect mix of Spanish with some French.

But the Basques are even more determined.   They are totally an completely different. Their language is completely different.  They have genetic differences (high rate of Rh-).

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The Catalans and Basque overproduce in regard to the rest of the country.  If they left Spain, Spain would be a third-world country.

The problem is that BOTH the Basques and Catalans are Socialist.  Egads! Which would reduce their wealth to poverty.

I have no clue how to deal with it.  Whatever happens to the Basqueland, Socialism will not improve anything.

The Scots Socialists and the Irish really support the Basque.

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Re: Great Basque Stuff - all things Basque
« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2010, 06:51:40 PM »

I am not sure where I stand on Catalan Independence.  The Catalan language is a sort of dialect mix of Spanish with some French.

But the Basques are even more determined.   They are totally an completely different. Their language is completely different.  They have genetic differences (high rate of Rh-).

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The Catalans and Basque overproduce in regard to the rest of the country.  If they left Spain, Spain would be a third-world country.

The problem is that BOTH the Basques and Catalans are Socialist.  Egads! Which would reduce their wealth to poverty.

I have no clue how to deal with it.  Whatever happens to the Basqueland, Socialism will not improve anything.

The Scots Socialists and the Irish really support the Basque.

The fact that Catalunya & Baques are prosperous might explain the "terrorism" which could very well be outside forces at work.  Not sure what good independence would do...I don't know much about their situation but it doesn't seem as if they're being wickedly oppressed.

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Re: Great Basque Stuff - all things Basque
« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2010, 07:12:19 PM »
The fact that Catalunya & Baques are prosperous might explain the "terrorism" which could very well be outside forces at work.  Not sure what good independence would do...I don't know much about their situation but it doesn't seem as if they're being wickedly oppressed.

This is a holdover from the Spanish Civil War.

The Basque Country and Catalonia were brutally treated by Franco and his Centrist Madrid policies.

The Basque language which is recuperating was almost wiped out but survived due to an anti-government revival in the 1960s.

In 1978, the Spanish amended their Constitution to give Catalonia and the Basque areas regional autonomy (EXCEPT IN TAXES FOR THE CATALAN - THE BASQUE HAVE TAX AUTONOMY) and foreign policy and language policy.

You can now speak Catalan in Barcelona, but you cannot make Catalan only schools.

The present generation of students in the Basque country are being taught in Basque, now.  In a few years, Spanish may be in for a fight in the Industrialized North of Spain.

The Basque have one major problem.   Half of their "country" is in French hands.

The Catalans have another problem.  Half of those who speak Catalan are in Valencia.  (They call their dialect Valencian, though it is really a form of Catalan).  The Valencians do not seek Indpendence.

Both areas greatly overproduce the rest of Spain and are tired of support what is essentially a third-world nation.

As the economy of the world collapses this will inflame the issue.

Of the two, the Basques have the greater claim for nationality.  

A differing history.  

A different language.  Completely different, not even Indo-European.  Unlike Catalan which is really frozen as a mix of Spanish with some French and is clearly Indo-European,

Some distinguishing genetics (30% are Rh-, while 60% carry the genes). Though millenia of proximity have reduced the genetic differences to less than the Basque would like.

But the Basque have bigger obstacles.  Unlike Spain, which is really an empire of different peoples and could conceivably fall apart, France is relatively unified.  The Breton separatists are broken; and the Southern Occitan (a dialect similar to Catalan) have lost their language.   And France imposes a monoculture.  France will not let go of the Basque Country in France.

This is interesting.

I am not as sympathetic to the Catalan as I am to the Basque.

The Catalan is a slightly modified Spaniard.  The Basque are completely different, and difference is the basis of nationality.
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Re: Great Basque Stuff - all things Basque
« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2010, 08:46:19 PM »
The Basque Separtists are playing the economic crisis to the hilt.

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Re: Great Basque Stuff - all things Basque
« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2010, 10:06:32 AM »

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Recently, the Basque Separatists have started to indentify with the Palestinians.  How odd?!  During WW2, the Basque were anti-fascist and identified with the Jews.

Here is a game between a Basque and Israeli team, which broke out into a minor riot, as pro-Palestinian elements displayed their sympathies.

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Re: Great Basque Stuff - all things Basque
« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2010, 11:34:18 AM »
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The language is Basque, but you can spot Palestinian flags and BOIKOT (boycott) next to an Israeli flag.

I have no idea why the Basque NOW support Palestine. This was NOT always so.

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Re: Great Basque Stuff - all things Basque
« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2010, 11:35:38 PM »
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I suspect recent Spanish arrests of their leaders has hurt them.

Spain asks them to pledge no violence forever.

In theory that sounds nice, but would Thomas Jefferson have counselled such a policy.  I think not.

I do NOT support, and I NEVER have supported ETA.  They are communists and tyrannical. 

I am just asking if the idea of disarming is a good idea because it implies trusting the central government, which a lot of history teaches us is a fatal trust.

This does NOT mean that ETA is right.  It just means that trusting central governments is NOT always advisable.

The founding fathers gave us a 2nd Amendment so we did NOT have to trust our government.

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Re: Great Basque Stuff - all things Basque
« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2010, 09:42:28 PM »
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Re: Great Basque Stuff - all things Basque
« Reply #35 on: September 14, 2010, 01:35:42 AM »
Im on cell phone now, cant see videos: however BASQUES AN OLD, INDEPENDENT & FASCINATING people...Unique language.

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Re: Great Basque Stuff - all things Basque
« Reply #36 on: September 14, 2010, 07:28:53 AM »
Im on cell phone now, cant see videos: however BASQUES AN OLD, INDEPENDENT & FASCINATING people...Unique language.

I am totally fascinated by them --- and I am not basque, yet they are truly amazing.

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Re: Great Basque Stuff - all things Basque
« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2010, 07:20:33 AM »
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Re: Great Basque Stuff - all things Basque
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2010, 08:02:27 AM »
I wanted to watch that, but I couldn't make it through the song.
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Re: Great Basque Stuff - all things Basque
« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2010, 08:30:08 AM »
Agreed.

The song ruins it totally.