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"Radical Muslims", TATP & PETN:
« on: February 18, 2010, 09:11:53 PM »
FBI finds that undie-bomber Abdulmutallab had BOTH PETN & TATP explosives:

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/grand-jury-indicts-abdulmutallab-christmas-day-bombing-attempt/story?id=9494117

Why both?  PTB say that Abdulmutallab was trained by top Al-Kayda guys in Yemen...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1239162/Umar-Farouk-Abdulmutallabs-charred-underwear-hid-explosives-Christmas-day-airline-bomb-plot.html.  Hmm these guys can take down massive skyscrapers but have trouble with the little bombs?

Brits tried to weave TATP into the infamous 7/21 London "chapati-flour" bombings:  (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-429084/The-chapati-flour-bleach-bomb.html)   British 'bomb experts' find that chapati flour is a highly-dangerous explosive--probably the same guys that faked up the Lockerbie evidence.  The article is utter gibberish, first claiming that the perps intended to use TATP as an igniter for a chapati flour/peroxide mixture; later it states the prosecutor claims that the chapati flour was an ingredient to make TATP.  Plus they allege that the patsies perps bought HUGE amounts of peroxide (one order was for 50 gallons)--far in excess of what would be needed (assuming the dumb idea would even work).

The MSM stories are all over the place:  most claim that that Abdulmuttalab's syringe contained some acid to ignite the main component but a 27DEC09 Guardian article says the syringe could have contained nitroglycerin:  http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/27/petn-pentaerythritol-trinitrate-explosive.  100g of PETN can destroy a car, says the article & their expert from London's Imperial College says PETN is THE explosive of choice!  (Except for the fact that it didn't work.)

Why had no one (other than a select group of chemists) ever heard of TATP & PETN before the lame parade of British-organized terrorist patsies?  Afghani & Iraqi irregulars can blow US tanks sky-high with "IEDs" yet their star pupils can't even manage even a token explosion?

Well thank Jehovah  >:( that good ole' Zio-American Whiskey-Pete can reliably fry little raghead babies alive!


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Re: "Radical Muslims", TATP & PETN:
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2010, 10:07:40 PM »
Reminds me of "Juba the sniper" who just so happened to have an Israeli rifle equiped with video camera scope shooting americans in Iraq! or the IED's blowing americans in Iraq up when only Israeli's could've had the intel to know our troop positions and movements! (our "friends"!) Great post with details of a story you just knew had the fresh scent of 2week old seafood when you first heard it on Christmas of all times!  I especially liked the part where the presslings pushed the plot of how "bomboy raghead" couldn't figure out how to successfully light up his "undie-bomb" and at the "critical moment" guess who does a flying "Chuck U Norris" tackle of the "boy with the bad bottoms"? Another jewish hero!? Amazing in his jeans! (or Genes?)Saving all the world from the "dirty bottom boys" yet again! No wonder they're so "chosen"!  I'm just not quite nuanced enough to appreciate the depth of the irony! Or....am I just getting sick of the lies and abuse?

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Re: "Radical Muslims", TATP & PETN:
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2010, 10:51:02 AM »
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Why had no one (other than a select group of chemists) ever heard of TATP & PETN before the lame parade of British-organized terrorist patsies?  Afghani & Iraqi irregulars can blow US tanks sky-high with "IEDs" yet their star pupils can't even manage even a token explosion?

When they first produced these explosives, like rabbits out of a hat, I thought there was something fishy. PIRA - who were the best - used ANFO for a reason: it was cheap, easy to make and transport, and used materials that were available in an agricultural environment. The only snag was that it needed a gelignite/plastique initiator, but they got around that by raiding quarries in the Irish Republic, as well as some in the UK. This eventually led to the clamp down on explosives for blasting, so that now a Home Office licence is needed for the industrial as well as the military grades of these explosives.

With the false flag op on 7 July 2005, the government was trying to push the line that the perps acquired industrial/military grade explosives in the Balkans and smuggled them into the UK. This horse didn't run, because PIRA sources let it be known that they had been unable to do this.

Nevertheless, it is still possible to steal the relatively small amounts that would be required to stage the airplane scams. So, why didn't they do that rather than come up these exotic and elaborate chemicals that would have to be manufactured in situ below 0°C and then dried out from the liquid into the crystal/powder form before detonating? Maybe so that people would be afraid of anything and everything that any old bukhshee Muslim might buy: helps raise the booga-booga factor, perhaps?
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Re: "Radical Muslims", TATP & PETN:
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2010, 07:19:07 PM »
My guess is that somebody put a drug into Abdulmutallab's drink to put him to sleep or make him groggy & then put the powder & syringe down his pants.  Now it's been noted that (assuming that the "explosive" could have actually put a hole in the plane which is highly doubtful) that it would have worked better at high altitude (for the rapid cabin decompression) than at the low altitude where the incident occurred.  So Abdul probably didn't doze off quick enough.

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Re: "Radical Muslims", TATP & PETN:
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2010, 07:38:15 PM »
Back when the Palestinians (supposedly) were blowing up buses & such in Israel their explosives seemed quite dependable...supposedly they used TATP, perhaps so but then they probably got professionally-made stuff from their Israeli-run minders. 

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Re: "Radical Muslims", TATP & PETN:
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2010, 07:31:27 AM »
Looking at the pix of the devastation caused to the buses by these "suicide bombers" (interesting that it was always expendables - Arabs, Mizrachim, Falashas, and so on - who suffered), the explosives used at a guess were more powerful than TATP. I'd reckon on C4 or some other plastic.
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Re: "Radical Muslims", TATP & PETN:
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2010, 08:36:43 PM »
Looking at the pix of the devastation caused to the buses by these "suicide bombers" (interesting that it was always expendables - Arabs, Mizrachim, Falashas, and so on - who suffered), the explosives used at a guess were more powerful than TATP. I'd reckon on C4 or some other plastic.

Yeah some of those buses were wrecked but good.  Who knows, Izzies could have installed powerful explosives inside the buses & simply used Palis as patsies.  Much more reliable than depending on quirky unstable teenagers.  Also reminds me of another puzzle--that NONE (IIRC) of the media reports on the 7/7 bombs mentioned them including shrapnel (ie nails, bb's etc) which seems elementary for a terrorist bomb designed for max kills/injuries.  some day I'll do a really good 7/7 post...much of that incident was truly strange.  For instance, all the MSM photos came from a select batch, only approx 100 total.  & then there's the Blankets Mystery (something no one else in the online world seems to have noticed):  Many of the 'survivors' depicted in the MSM photos are shown standing around swaddled in various sorts of blankets--blue velour, white afghans, mylar "space blankets" etc.  Why these folks even needed blankets was never stated since (for London) it was a warm near-muggy day.  The blanket wearers were not injured & thus wouldn't have required the warmth (as would be indicated for a seriously injured person at risk of shock).  & where did the various styles of blankets come from?  Seems highly unlikely that civil defense authorities would stock a bunch of used mis-matched blankets but OTOH there were no reports of local residents rushing out to give their blankets to random people.

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Re: "Radical Muslims", TATP & PETN:
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2010, 01:29:55 AM »
I hadn't picked up on the blankets thing.

There was a pretty good analysis/unpicking of the London Bombings done on LF by impatient, cyte, seraphina, and a couple of others. A pity it's disappeared, although Rixon Stewart has a link to a reasonable substitute on The Truth Seeker.

It was quite clear that it wasn't the four Muslims (three Pakistanis and a West Indian convert) who did it. And, like with the Madrid train bombing, the explosives had been placed under the floors of the carriages - so that required access to them while they were still in the sheds. And the type of explosions (as indicated by colour of flash, noise, pressure wave, destructive power) implied pure military/industrial grade plastic.

And Menezes (the Brazilian electrician) was murdered to shut him up, probably. I thought at the time that the "police" who did for him didn't look like police at all by military. Last year, Cressida Dick, the watch commander of Gold Watch on duty, admitted that they were from the SRR (Special Reconnaissance Regiment - a bunch of wannabe SAS drawn from the ranks of the Parachute Regiment) - this admission made it very quickly down the Memory Hole.
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