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Offline calrodin

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Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2006, 03:16:19 PM »
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This translation looked suspiciously to me like one from MEMRI. Turns out when I went to the original blog entry, I was right.

I don't see why it being posted on Memri takes away from the fact that Gaddafi said it on Al-Jazeera. I gave exactly where I got it from as you said - which was a blog which gave the details of both.

It nonetheless makes an interesting proposition. If things continue as they are, Europe most definitely will become Muslim within the next 60 years or so. I, however, don't believe things are going to continue as they are - not that I can see round the corner to what things may bring - but there is a possibility of a revolutionary civil war and real political upheaval in Europe which will probably bring the despised EU to its knees and reform the nation states (and therefore yield real nationalism). The other alternatives are the neoconservative globalisation strategies. 3 options, only one is good to my mind.

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US to Normalize Ties With Libya
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2006, 07:12:46 PM »
US to Normalize Ties With Libya

By Meredith Buel
Washington
15 May 2006

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The United States has decided to restore normal diplomatic relations with Libya for the first time in a quarter of a century, and will remove it from a list of state sponsors of terrorism.

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said in a statement the actions were being taken because of Libya's commitment to renounce terrorism and cooperate in the global war on terror.

The announcement culminates a process that began a few years ago, when Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi agreed to dismantle his nuclear weapons program. President Bush lifted most sanctions against Libya in 2004.

The State Department's coordinator for Counterterrorism, Henry Crumpton, says Libya is making valuable contributions to the security of the United States.

"This is not only about Libya not supporting terrorist groups. It is about their cooperation with us and with other partners in this global fight. The cooperation in intelligence is strong and getting stronger," he said. "They have made direct and important contributions to our national security. They have worked with us to track operatives and networks of terrorist groups throughout the region, some leading into Iraq."


Moammar Gadhafi (file photo)

The United States imposed sanctions on Libya in 1986, blaming Tripoli for the bombing of a Berlin disco that killed two U.S. soldiers and a Turkish woman.

Two Libyan intelligence agents were also indicted and found guilty of involvement in the 1988 bombing of Pan Am flight 103 that was blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland, killing 270 people.

Libya turned over those agents for trial, and agreed to pay compensation to families of victims.

Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs, David Welch, says he hopes the change in U.S. relations with Libya will send a message to other nations.

"Today's announcement demonstrates that, when countries make a decision to adhere to international norms of behavior, they will reap concrete benefits," noted Welch. "Libya serves as an important model, as we push for changes in policy by other countries, such as Iran and North Korea."

Welch says the United States remains concerned about human rights issues in Libya, specifically the case of five Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor sentenced to death on charges of infecting children with the virus that causes AIDS. Libya's Supreme Court later overturned the death sentence and ordered a retrial.

"The steps we announce today don't eliminate our concerns over other aspects of Libya's behavior," he added. "Instead, these steps will enable us to engage with the Libyans more effectively on all issues. In particular, we continue to call upon Libya to improve its human rights record, and to address in good faith cases pending in U.S. courts with regard to its terrorist activities in the 1980s."

Welch says the United States will soon upgrade its liaison office in Tripoli to a full embassy.

http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-05-15-voa19.cfm

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It's about TIME!

Btw, I suspect Libya had nothing to do with Flt 103, personally.

I also question that "AIDS scare" where nurses were supposedly infecting patients with the virus.
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Gadhafi feels insulted, quits AL summit
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2009, 04:37:13 PM »

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=90048&sectionid=351020506
Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:53:19 GMT
Libyan Leader Muammar al-Gadhafi stormed out of the Arab League summit in Doha following the disruption of his address to the Saudi monarch.

The former head of the Arab League walked out of the summit venue in the Qatari capital on Monday in protest to Qatar's Emir Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani's move to interrupt his address to the Saudi Arabian King, Abdullah Bin Abdul Aziz.

Qatar's Emir switched off the Libyan president's microphone, allegedly to stop him from making anti-Saudi remarks, a Fars news reporter at the summit reported.

However, Gadhafi surprised Sheikh Hamad by asking the Saudi king to re-engage in peaceful negotiations with Libya.

He stated that a five-year row in diplomatic ties between the two countries should be brought to an end, apologizing to the Saudi King for past disagreements, while laying the blame on the US and the UK for breeding the ongoing differences between the two Arab nations.

The Qatari Emir, though, reportedly expressed regret for cutting the Libyan leader's speech.

Nonetheless, Gadhafi left the summit, saying that the Emir's move was offensive towards him.

Relations between the two states have been marred over a 2003 incident in which Saudi Arabia asked Libya's ambassador to leave the country due to an alleged plot to assassinate King Abdullah.

Libya has denied involvement in any such plot.

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Re: Gadhafi feels insulted, quits AL summit
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2009, 06:34:30 PM »
Cut his mike off? wtf

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Re: Gadhafi feels insulted, quits AL summit
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2009, 07:49:05 PM »
Gadafi is right to leave the summit if it is dominated by sell-out crooks like the Emir & the Saudis.  The Saudis' bogus claim of a Libyan assassination plot is yet another example of their work (at British direction) of fomenting the GWOT.  Here's an article about an MI6 terrorist bombing in SA & the Saudi cover-up: http://cryptome.org/mi6-bombings.htm

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Re: Gadhafi feels insulted, quits AL summit
« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2009, 09:01:33 PM »
Quite a good article, and it confirms what I have always felt about allegations that MI6 is a big time player in the 'WOT'...They are simply too weak and incompetent :

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The polarization of British society goes a long way to explain how an organization run by public schoolboys like Dearlove decided to used a working class Scotsman to blow up a working class Englishman.


They are simply too 'effete' to be able to pull off large scale 'false flag' terror...Especialy far from home.

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Re: Gadhafi feels insulted, quits AL summit
« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2009, 08:49:02 AM »
They may or may not be public school types, as there are fantasists and wets at all levels of any society. The Foreign Office seems to pick them up mostly from Oxford and Cambridge universities. The people who run MI5 & 6 inhabit a fantasy world of John Le Carre novels. Many public school men were independent-minded characters who actually did things - like Ran Fiennes, Dwin Brammall, David Niven, David Stirling, Fox Davies, or David Lloyd Owen. Though with the more recent crop of self-indulgent sods who thought derivatives trading was a neat idea, you're probably right about the security services being stuffed with the effete (known as 'wets').

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Re: Gadhafi feels insulted, quits AL summit
« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2009, 08:39:32 PM »
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They are simply too 'effete' to be able to pull off large scale 'false flag' terror...Especialy far from home

Well MI6 might have botched the Saudi bombing a bit but with a complacent MSM that's not so much of a worry.  I disagree with your view of MI6 as being incompetent.  Britain has a long tradition of experts that can speak the foreign languages, work intimately with the various locals etc.  But the USA sends redneck soldiers who can't be bothered to learn a few phrases in Arabic, Pashtun etc.  The staged 7/7 London bombings were an absolute master-stroke.  After the Brits were caught leaving microphoned rocks in Moscow a Russian was quoted as saying that British intelligence was the best because of their "boundless hypocrisy". ;)

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Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2009, 05:55:48 PM »
Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest

Published: August 21 2009 03:00 | Last updated: August 21 2009 03:00

By Andrew Bolger in Edinburgh, Daniel Dombey in,Washington and Heba Saleh in Cairo

President Barack Obama yesterday criticised Scotland's decision to free the Lockerbie bomber, and called on Libya to keep him under house arrest.

The call came as hundreds of Libyans gathered at the airport in Tripoli to welcome Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi, and waved national flags as his car sped out of the airport - even though victims' relatives said they had understood there would be no hero's welcome.

Kenny MacAskill, Scotland's justice secretary, said Mr Megrahi, who has a life expectancy of less than three months, was released on compassionate grounds.

"We have been in contact with the Scottish government, indicating that we objected to this," Mr Obama told a US radio programme. "And we thought it was a mistake. We're now in contact with the Libyan government, and want to make sure that . . . he's not welcomed back in some way, but instead should be under house arrest."

In a striking series of protests against a decision by an ally, Hillary Clinton, US secretary of state, called the bombing a "heinous crime", while Eric Holder, attorney- general, said the interests of justice had "not been served" by the decision.

Mr Megrahi was serving a 27-year sentence for the murder of 270 people, most of them American, when Pan Am Flight 103 was blown up in 1988 over the Scottish town of Lockerbie.

Mr MacAskill said he stood by the conviction of Mr Megrahi, who had shown no compassion. But he said that alone was not reason to deny compassion to him in his final days. Mr MacAskill said: "Our beliefs dictate that justice be served, but mercy be shown."

David Cameron, leader of the UK opposition Conservative party, attacked the decision as "completely nonsensical". "This man was convicted of murdering 270 people. He showed no compassion to them. They weren't allowed to go home and die with their relatives in their own bed. And I think this is a very bad decision," he said.

His remarks are the first intervention by a senior politician in Westminster. Gordon Brown, UK prime minister, has so far declined to comment.

Mr Megrahi, 57, was the only person convicted for the bombing. He lost an appeal against his conviction in 2002. He abandoned a second appeal this week.

Suse Lowenstein, of Montauk, New York, whose son, Alexander, was killed at the age of 21, said: "It is so devastating and it is difficult for me to accept that the one man we had responsible for the murders of our son, and the 270 victims in total, is now going home to die in the arms of his family. It is just beyond comprehension."

Mr MacAskill accepted that questions had to be answered about the bombing, but these were beyond the jurisdiction of Scots law.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2256498a-8deb-11de-93df-00144feabdc0.html
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Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2009, 06:48:39 PM »
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Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest

House Arrest = not being able to speak freely to the press

What a PR nightmare for the J-ws in the Arabic speaking world.
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Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2009, 07:12:27 PM »
That's not something that can't be easily managed via the mainstream media.
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Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2009, 07:14:20 PM »
Watching early morning TV this morning and saw the live pictures of this man departing Scotland and the Jewish media personnel were almost in shock when they showed the plane taking to the air. I don't know if this man committed the act or not, but it does seem most incredulous that one man could plan and execute such a daring feat without any help.
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Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2009, 07:28:42 PM »
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I don't know if this man committed the act or not, but it does seem most incredulous that one man could plan and execute such a daring feat without any help.

If the J-ws had any proof he did it they would have presented the evidence on TV 24/7.
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Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2009, 07:33:25 PM »
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That's not something that can't be easily managed via the mainstream media.

Ali has to be kept quiet until he dies. I'm sure the Libyan govt. has been warned of the consequences if Ali is allowed to speak freely.
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Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2009, 07:49:38 PM »
It seems that the efforts of the Jews to enslave most Americans is not too difficult for them to do these days ... so many of these willing tools of the Jews actually seek to impede anyone who stands up to the alien ba*tards ... all in the name of honoring the red, white, and the blue, without seeing that these creatures are not Americans of the Jewish faith,  but rather,  are Jews first and foremost and seek to undermine this Republic and its laws.
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Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2009, 08:18:10 PM »
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It seems that the efforts of the Jews to enslave most Americans is not too difficult for them to do these days ...

Not too hard at all. During the 60's they got black kids to break-up stores in the inner city, later they got every college kid convinced it was Nixon who started the Vietnam War, later under Reagan they convinced the conservative middle class to support bringing j-w power back to Russia, under Clinton they convinced every American to put money in Wall St., under Bush the fundi-mentals were kings of this world and the next world to come, and under Obama the retro 60's kids are tied to the net through the Obama network believing they are bringing change.

Nothing has changed, and there's always a group out there the J-ws can use.
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Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2009, 08:34:48 PM »
Yeah ... the French do know something about how much things have changed.

Their adage is that the more things change the more they stay the same ...

we no longer see the Conservative but now it is the neo-Conservative .... aka as the Jewish invasion.
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Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2009, 08:16:32 AM »
Obama's protestations about Megrahi's release are just posturing so he won't appear soft on terrorism.  In reality he is quite the London/Wall St tool.  Well it's entertaining to see the London guys trip over themselves in trying to explain their hypocritical u-turn on Libya.  It's Scottish "compassion" they say (I've never seen those two words together before).  BBC & other media say the trial was flawed.  Whatever.  Since the public is so dumbed-down & forgets so quickly, the imperialists can get away with this nonsense.

BTW I noticed that the Judicial page on Lockerbie claims that the bomb was intended to explode over the ocean but a delay caused it to explode over Scotland.  I disagree.  1st Britain is the likely culprit and having the incident on their own territory gives them control over the evidence, trials & propaganda.  2nd a crash on land is much better than at sea to give the maximum psychological effect to the public.

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Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2009, 11:56:52 AM »
Yeah this bombing was planned to happen just as it did ... recovered bodies and wreckage over land with the guilty culprits also being able to display or hide whatever evidence they chose to. For a plan it worked just beautifully ... the dead people being counted as collateral losses.

Found the following report very amusing ... what hypocrits these Washington people are!




FBI director rips release of Lockerbie bomber

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FBI Director Robert Mueller thundered down on Scotland's justice minister for releasing the Lockerbie bomber, an act that "gives comfort to terrorists" all over the world.

Mueller sent a scathing letter to Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill, who cited compassionate grounds in his decision to let Abdel Baset al-Megrahi return to Libya because he has prostate cancer and was given only months to live by British doctors.

The angry tone of the letter is out of character with the normally reserved Mueller, indicating his outrage is personal as well as professional. He also sent copies to the families of the Lockerbie victims.
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Re: Obama calls for Libya bomber's house arrest
« Reply #39 on: August 22, 2009, 03:56:22 PM »
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Well it's entertaining to see the London guys trip over themselves in trying to explain their hypocritical u-turn on Libya.

I think it's good that the J-ws don't have absolute control over the Sottish govt. and people at the top there had the balls to make this decision in spite of J-wish pressure.
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