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« on: August 29, 2005, 02:43:51 PM »
 
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IF I WERE THE GOVERNMENT....


It's been three years since Congress discussed removing the government of Afghanistan to make way for an oil pipeline, seven months since the US Government told India there would be an invasion of Afghanistan in October, six months since BBC heard about the planned invasion of Afghanistan, nine months since Jane's Defense got word of the planned invasion of Afghanistan, and of course, only a few months since the attacks on the World Trade Towers that got the American people angered into support of the war that everybody on the planet BUT Americans had been told was on the way.
During these last few months, the same American media that waved non-stop Gary Condit in front of our faces to keep us from finding out that plans for a war were being announced to other governments is now trying to keep the level of fear in the American public so high that they cannot think. The media has been pounding us all non-stop with Osama (you know, the CIA's main asset in Afghanistan) in a fashion eerily similar to the mythical dictatorship's use of Emmanuel Goldstein and the "Two Minute Hate" in George Orwell's "1984". The media's "scare-orrism" has continued with the endless dire warnings regarding the Anthrax being sent in letters, which in retrospect has to be the weakest form of Anthrax, having killed far fewer people in the entire nation in the last two months than are gunned down in Washington DC in any given week. The Anthrax scare fell apart when it became known that the Anthrax was from US military labs.

But the problem with using fear to keep people from thinking is that sooner or later fear tires itself out. People habituate to it. They get used to it. And they start thinking again.

And, as people stop fearing and start to think, they start to notice those things which the government would prefer they don't. Things like the convenient timing of the attacks on the World Trade Towers and the perfect fit into the timetable of the war announced to other nations earlier in the year.

People are remembering that Osama bin Laden is a creation of the CIA, the same CIA once headed by the President's father (who also got us into a pointless war in the oil-rich regions of the middle east), the same CIA that imports drugs and sells them to our children, the same CIA now advocating the use of torture.

People are remembering that the initial Anthrax "attack" on the US Congress occurred just as the draconian USA PATRIOT bill was about to be voted on. People have noticed that the US Congress, out of their own fear, voted to pass that bill without reading it at all! (The second congressional Anthrax attack was sent to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) "coincidentally" right after he announced hearings on the military tribunals directive.)

People are remembering that the first suspects to be arrested after the WTC attacks were not Arabs, but Israelis, and that Israelis (in one case a known Mossad agent) were also arrested inside the Mexican Congress carrying guns. Yet more suspected Mossad agents were arrested with plans for US Nuclear power plants inside the US, but were strangely let go! People are remembering that the Mossad has a past history of staging fake terror attacks to blame on a third party, such as the successful planting of fake radio traffic which tricked the US into bombing Libya, and a failed attempt to blow up a US facility and blame it on Arabs in 1956.

People have been following the case of JDL Chairman Irv Rubin in Los Angeles, who was arrested for plotting to blow up a United States Congrssman. People have been following the case of the Israeli spy scandal, which involves the largest spy ring ever uncoveed inside the United States, along with two companies which are able to rack or tap into any phone in America, including those in the White House. In at least one case, information leaked by one of these companies was used to thwart a drug investigation by the LAPD.

People are noticing that the media has taken a very heavy hand in suppressing the spy scandal, with both Fox News and CNN simply erasing sories from their websites which prove to be embarrassing and which continue to cast doubt on the official version of what happened on 9/11. In one of the stories carried on Fox News, but now erased, a US Official admitted that evidence exists linking the arrested spies to the events of 9/11, but that this evidence had been classified and withheld from the public by the US Government itself.

People are noticing that there is something wrong when the US media and the US Government are covering up for a massive foreign spy ring inside the United States.

People are noticing that the US Government does not really have a case against Osama bin Laden having anything to do with the attacks on the World Trade Towers. After announcing the evidence would be made public, the US Government backtracked, and claimed that the evidence had to remain secret to protect "National Security". Then it turned out that what evidence existed was being destroyed by the NSA and by the FBI! While the only actual video tapes of Osama bin Laden mentioning the WTC attacks consist of denials, a report was recently published in the media that Osama had confessed and claimed to have nukes. Both claims turned out to be hoaxes; an effort to manufacture a phony confession to fill in the gap of any real evidence to justify the bombing of Afghani civilians. The video taped confession claimed to be the source of the transcript does not exist, and the BBC found no mention of nuclear weapons in the original version. Careful examination of what evidence has been presented shows it to be a total farce of unsubstantiated and non-court-worthy claims, circumstantial at best. The latest claim that Osama has nukes is based on a confession extracted under torture, hardly reliable but apparently far more newsworthy than the arrested spies and the phone tapping scandal.

As people stop being made blind by fear, they are starting to realize that bombing the innocents of Afghanistan makes no sense at all no matter what Osama bin Laden may have done, whether he still works for the CIA or not. After all, were American citizens able to prevent the CIA from killing 80 civilians, many of them children, with a car bomb in Beirut in 1985. Had the CIA knocked on the doors of American citizens and asked, "Is it okay if we blow up a bunch of kids to get at this one target", I feel safe in saying that most Americans would have replied that they didn't think it was a good idea (The intended target survived the CIA's bomb). Likewise, had Osama bin Laden knocked on the doors of the Afghani people and said, "Is it okay if we blow up a bunch of kids to get at this one target", I feel safe in saying that most Afghanis would have replied that they didn't think it was a good idea. Doubtless the response was more agreeable from Osama's pals at Langley.

As people stop being made blind by fear, they are taking a closer look at the US Government's purported "humanitarian" effort to feed the starving people of Afghanistan, an effort exemplified by the shutting down of all truck routes into the region and the bombing (twice) of the Red Cross food warehouse, then lying about it afterwards. This has removed all sources of outside food for the starving people living along the proposed oil pipeline route except one' the food packages being dropped from American planes. But there is a problem with those food packages. Ignoring for a moment that most of those packages are either destroyed on hitting the ground or simply fall where they cannot be found, they happen to look like the unexploded munitions the US is also dropping all around Afghanistan. Same size, same color, same type face.
 



Now, if you are a starving Afghani child, you cannot read English, and you have seen the leaflets that claim those yellow packages being dropped from the planes are a gift of food from the wonderful people of the United States, which package would you pick up? And if perchance you grab the wrong one and lose a hand, or your eyes, how will you feel about those wonderful people of the United States?
This deception of having the unexploded bombs looking like the food packs is not aimed at Osama Bin Laden and it's not aimed at the Taliban; it is aimed at the non-combatant citizens of Afghanistan, including women and children, who are starving slowly to death because of the US-created REDUCTION in humanitarian aid to the region, and who out of that starvation won't hesitate to pick up an unexploded cluster munition, thinking it may be something to eat.

But most of all, as the people of the United States cease to be afraid, they will realize that the greatest danger they face isn't Osama bin laden or starving Afghani women and children, but Presidents connected to oil companies who always seem to get us into wars in regions where oil happens to be, and who are willing to do anything, including destroying the civil protections of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, to get that war and that oil.

There are warning signs everywhere that the real agenda of the attacks on the WTC on 9/11 was to pave the way for a transformation of the United States into something no rational Americans would or could ever support. President Bush has done away with the civil protections mandated by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights by creating a new court system, outside the jurisdiction of the Constitution. Even more alarming is the strident and continuing calls for the use of torture on suspected terrorists coming from sources such as Allen Dershowitz, from the Los Angeles Times, and from that master of South American torture squads, the CIA.

The problem is that while these secret courts and torture squads are supposed to be directed at terrorists, with "terrorists" being defined in the disengenuously named "USA PATRIOT" act as anyone critical of the government! So loose are the definitions being applied under the new laws that people are being denied their Constitutional right to travel freely based on political views or just for carrying the wrong book!

So egregious has been the grab for dictatorial power by the Bush Presidency that even the normally obeisant and MOCKINGBIRD controlled mainstream US press is starting to express doubts, with the New York Times using words like "dictatorial", while MSNBC likens the present regime to that of a third world nation. Even newspapers in Bush's home state are saying he has gone too far. Pravda, the major newspaper of the former USSR, once the most feared enemy of our freedoms, warns that America is losing her freedoms to her own government.

Support for the war in Afghanistan is rapidly diminishing. Even the much-vaunted "coalition" intending to mask the ambitions of a single nation behind the illusion of multi lateral action, has started falling apart.

What is an emerging dictatorship to do? The more people stop being afraid, the more they think. The more people think, the more they realize that something is very wrong with the official version of the WTC attacks. The more people think, the more they realize that something is very wrong with the convenient timing of the attacks with regard to the invasion of Afghanistan already planned and discussed with other nations last March. The more people think, the more they realize that something is very wrong with the manner in which the government is attacking the civil protections in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The more people think, the more they realize that something is very wrong with the demand for the use of torture on "terrorists" and the very loose definitions of what a terrorist is, able to be applied to anyone who disagrees with the policies of the state.

In order to continue the grab for, as the New York Times describes it, "dictatorial" power, the government has to make the people STOP thinking. And the only way to make the people stop thinking is to make them afraid again, so afraid that they CANNOT think.

Which is why I greatly fear that as we head into the holiday season, full of potent American symbols and media coverage of traditional holiday parades and celebrations, that opportunity exists for phony staged terrorist events, staged events designed to keep Americans afraid, keep them surrendering their civil rights, keep them in support of a war for oil, a war for the agenda to, as the current Fortune Magazine describes it, "break OPEC's grip".

Sun Tzu, in "The Art Of War", comments that all war is based on deception. he people of an invading nation have to be deceived into thinking that they act in their own self defense; that they are the ones to have been attacked. The United States government has a long history of using such deceptions to start wars, from claiming that the USS Maine, sunk by a coal bin fire, was sunk by a Spanish mine, to the Gulf Of Tonkin and the torpedoes which never were, to Operation NORTHWOODS, in which the Joint Chiefs planned to stage fake terror attacks to manufacture American support for a war against Cuba.

The present government of the United States NEEDS the American people to be afraid, to be blindly afraid, to react and respond, and not to reason. There is only one way for the government to achieve this, through a phony terror attack such as those planned by Operation NORTHWOODS, and I greatly fear that we will see one in the very near future.

Because once a government resorts to terrorizing its own population to control them, it must keep on doing so. A government that uses terror to control its own population cannot ever stop using terror to control its own population, out of fear that a population no longer afraid will start to think clearly about what is going on. Terror has to become legal. Terror has to become accepted as necessary for domestic policy. Hence the call for torture, secret courts, and the abandonment of the protections of the Bill of Rights.

Terror becomes an addiction to those governments who use it on their own people.

Which is why I am certain we will see more of it. Maybe even a staged nuke attack.
 


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Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2006, 06:04:28 AM »

Here's Gaddafi on Al-Jazeera:



`all people must be muslims`
[...]

"We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe - without swords, without guns, without conquests. The fifty million Muslims of Europe will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades.

"Allah mobilizes the Muslim nation of Turkey, and adds it to the European Union."
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"That's another 50 million Muslims. There will be 100 million Muslims in Europe. Albania, which is a Muslim country, has already entered the E.U."
[...]

"Bosnia, which is a Muslim country, has already entered the E.U. Fifty percent of its citizens are Muslims."
[...]
 
"Europe is in a predicament, and so is America. They should agree to become Islamic in the course of time, or else declare war on the Muslims."

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Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2006, 08:52:15 AM »
This translation looked suspiciously to me like one from MEMRI. Turns out when I went to the original blog entry, I was right. It had the telltale "[...]", for one thing.

Here's the original MEMRI article.

And of course, many of us know just how anti-Arab, pro-Israel biased MEMRI is. This thead has a lot of info about that.

I wouldn't be surprised if this translation has been tweaked to give Qaddafi a menacing tone, and I'll tell you why. This supposed "translation's" tone is NOT like other things I have read by Qadaffi on his own site, pertaining to this subject (but it IS classic to the type of translation MEMRI puts out, which are all designed to portray Arabs and Muslims as evil and violent). The following article shows his take on Turkey joining the EU. I find he comes across as insightful and balanced, even trying to give helpful warnings.

I think Qaddafi is a lot more astute, forward thinking, and actually concerned for humanity than people give him credit for. It tires me to see the way he has been consistently demonized over the years. Surely he is not perfect - what "politician" is - but his past treatment is a model for the way Saddam was later viewed, as well as Ahmadenijad now.
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Turkey, Europe, and bin Ladens | from Muammar Gadafi's official website

It is in Turkey's economic interest to be part of Europe. It is also in the interest of the Muslim world that an Islamic nation such as Turkey is within the European Union, as a Trojan horse. On the other hand, it is in the interest of Europe that Turkey is part of NATO only as a military colony and a military base for the Alliance, but it is not in its interest that Turkey be part of the European Union. Turkey is a tree, which roots are in Asia, and only its branch that touches Europe.
It is an Islamic state of a Sunni denomination, with orientalist traditions, customs, history, culture, attitude and taste.

Even its alphabets are not Latin in fact it spoiled the Latin alphabets.

Turkey is the cradle of the great Hittite historic orientalist Civilization. It was the centre of the vast Ottoman Empire and Islamic Caliphate. Turkey historically did not look into Europe but as an arena for expansion and conquests. Turkey' has for 55 years been trying to be a European state, but this did not materialize for objective reason far stronger than mere wishes and pragmatism. Admitting Turkey into European Union is like an attempt to transplant a human organ into a body of another person with a different blood group, and they never have any biological compatibility. Their only link is that they live in opposite blocks of flats across the street!

Europe and Germany in particular could benefit from Turkey's cheap labour, as immigrant workers, but not in their interest that such labour be from a Union member state, during which they will be entitled to rights not desired by Europe at all.

What is the interest of Europe if it is joined by a relatively backward (In comparison with Western progress) oriental state, as annual per capita in Turkey is less than 7000 dollars, whereas the lowest per capita in Europe is in Spain, 19,000 dollars, but in Germany 26,000 dollars. Child death rate in Turkey is 45 per one thousand ; whereas the rate in Europe is only 4 per one thousand. Inflation rate in Turkey is 70% and in Europe is 2-3%.

Nonetheless, it is possible one day to overcome such material discrepancies. But the thing that Europe will never be lenient on or adventure is that Turkey be a Trojan horse. The problem does not lie with the Turkish veterans and subsequent generation of politicians, who still revere Ataturk, but the problem lies in the new and future generation. Youth who are mentored by satellite channels and the Internet and acquire one lesson after another from Muslim World scholars, even from Ben Laden on daily and even on every hour bases, a matter that could not be prevented.

What if thousand of Turks study under Ben Laden, his group, Mullah Omar or his Loya Jirgah (Grand Assembly), a thing that is surely exists now. We say if only to alleviate the magnitude of the shock. For these consider Europe as an infidel and only merits conquering by the sword. They will not stop at the doors of Vienna, as the Ottomans did, but look forward to cross the Atlantic, and follow the footsteps of Auqba Ben Nafaa, who stood on the back of his horse on the Atlantic coast and said: `˜`˜O` God if I knew that there are people beyond You (Atlantic), I would cross on my horse to conquer and force them to embrace Islam". Auqba never knew then that there was a continent called America beyond the Atlantic. But these know very well what is beyond the Atlantic. These new generations do not recognize the abolition of capital punishment, because God in the Quran commands it. Even more, they will not accept but cutting off the hand of the thief as commanded by God. And scourging whoever commits adultery with one hundred stripes, as these are the limits (ordained) of Allah (God) . "And there is the life for you in retaliation, O men of understanding" and "Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-livers" .

Then when Turkey becomes a European member, they will not accept a ban on parties with Islamic titles in Turkey, whereas no ban on those with Christian titles in Europe. Then the new Muslim extremists who control power or the street in Turkey will not accept to be part of a Union which constitution does not provide for Islamic sharia and limits (ordained) of Allah. They could constitute a majority in the European parliament, because they will ban all means of contraceptives, for they believe it is not permitted. They believe in polygamy, maids and what the right hand possessed, i.e. European Christian women, thus Turkey will be the most populous state in Europe.

Then plans of Islamist Turks in Europe and obviously behind them the Islamic grass roots is to revive Albania as an Islamic state, as well as Bosnia. Therefore, infidel Europe, as they believe will be for the first time, before the pressure of the new European Islamic front behind which is the entire Muslim world, one which will force Europe into embracing Islam or pay poll tax, this is provided for in the Quran as a duty. Such information could be surprising or amusing to sum, but for Muslims it is a message from God that has to be realized.

The future from now on is for Islamic parties in Turkey and for supporters of Ben Laden. Subscription to any Islamic party particularly if they are newly formed in Turkey is surprising. In few years time, several millions including one million women joined one of the Islamic parties in Turkey. Ben Laden, the Mullahs and the Loya Jirgah (Grand Assembly) will be happy and indeed gainers if Turkey joins the European Union.

Furthermore, Turkey will drag with it to Europe a set of problems and indeed explosive ones, such as the Kurds problem, sectarian conflict, and a potential war over the Tigris and Euphrates, membership of the Organization of Islamic Conference, Islamic D8, and Turkey's roots in the Islamic Central Asian states. Seljuk and after them the Turks were a nation founded by conquests, they arrived at Anatolya by conquests and arrived at Constantinople by conquests and arrived even at Austria by conquests.

It was possible for me not to toll this alarm bell and not to uncover this horrifying map. However, due to my responsibility to the stability of the world in the first place and peace in the Mediterranean, which the Arab possess its southern coast- of which Libya occupies two-thousand kilometers of this southern coast- since there is no coast in the south without Libya. All this makes it incumbent upon me to speak out to the world about what I see as far as this strategic issue is concerned, which will have serious reflections that will touch my country, its region and then shacks the entire world, before it is to late and before a decision is taken that will have serious consequences.
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(I have no idea of the date of this piece. It's been on his site for months, is all I know.)
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Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2006, 03:50:20 PM »
Europe will never be "Islamicized"; Europe is too thoroughly judaized/judeo-centric(as is the US) to allow it happen, the diversity-nics allowing all the excessive immigration are serving to not only destabilize and destroy our countries and peoples, but the Muslim world as well, with global jewry on top subjugating all sides to their benefit.
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Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2006, 07:04:23 PM »
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the diversity-nics allowing all the excessive immigration are serving to not only destabilize and destroy our countries and peoples, but the Muslim world as well,

Well I don't support war. Nor any kind of invade and invite strategy. But the problem in Europe is third world immigration - on top of the bipolar cultural so-called reality.

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Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2006, 11:09:04 PM »
Now, I like Gaddafi for his fierce independent streak and his penchant for thumbing his nose at Islamists and such assorted filth.

I have to assume that these comments were for domestic consumption and nothing else.

Naturally, there is no place for Islam in Europe since Islam is the traditional enemy of Europe and Christendom.

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Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2006, 11:13:45 PM »
"Europe is the Faith and the Faith is Europe".

It's the inherent liberalness in the EU Constitution that allows for the presence in great numbers of Europe's traditional enemies, Mohammedans, to infiltrate and subvert.

Therefore the two main enemies of Europe are liberalism and Islam.

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Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2006, 11:30:51 PM »
Well I don't support war. Nor any kind of invade and invite strategy. But the problem in Europe is third world immigration - on top of the bipolar cultural so-called reality.

I understand what your saying, it's the same as the USA concern with Mexicans. My only hope is that balance can be achieved.

For me it is not the Muslim/Christian/Jew model of getting along...it is the rationalist vs religious extremist that have to make their peace...if they/we/all-of-us can.

That's why Qaddafi's "warning" is especially important... no matter how you slice it, this IS a culture war in many senses. Just pick you extremist group.

(Oh, and how dumb am I... it says "memri tv" right in your screenshot - I didn't even have to deduce it...)
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Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2006, 01:07:59 AM »
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I think Qaddafi is a lot more astute, forward thinking, and actually concerned for humanity than people give him credit for. It tires me to see the way he has been consistently demonized over the years.

Ah, but you see, what you stated in the first sentence is the reason for your concern in the second. Anyone who is actually sincere in his beliefs and nationalistic in approach is targetted for demonization by the PTB. They simply cannot permit that sort of integrity.
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Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2006, 10:42:46 AM »
I have to agree with the logic, Gaddafi is right.
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2006, 10:48:04 AM »
Anyone who is actually sincere in his beliefs and nationalistic in approach is targetted for demonization by the PTB. They simply cannot permit that sort of integrity.
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Yes, that is absolutely correct.....and the "Oscar" goes to the directors of divide and conquer:o
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
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Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2006, 10:51:10 AM »
What is the interest of Europe if it is joined by a relatively backward (In comparison with Western progress) oriental state, as annual per capita in Turkey is less than 7000 dollars, whereas the lowest per capita in Europe is in Spain, 19,000 dollars, but in Germany 26,000 dollars. Child death rate in Turkey is 45 per one thousand ; whereas the rate in Europe is only 4 per one thousand. Inflation rate in Turkey is 70% and in Europe is 2-3%.


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Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2006, 10:24:19 AM »
Gadaffi is a useful idiot - he's basically unhinged.

When Germany goes Muslim, I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of job Mercedes' Turkish owners/designers do of the 2012 S-class.
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Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2006, 10:25:15 AM »
A cursory reading of Qaddafi's article discloses some of the reasons that the West will continue to reduce the terminally collapsed millennial muslim world:  "young Turks" (the colloquialism refers to young men "feeling their oats" and aggressively seeking to "put the world at right") have adopted radicalism imported from the West, reputed "muslim scholars" such as 'Ali Shari'ati and Maudoodi (and Qaddafi, none of whom are muslim scholars) have re-written dialectical materialist Marxist-Leninist theories into seemingly muslim rhetoric, and disfranchised and oppressed muslims suffering under western colonial nationalist regimes have abandoned faith and patience for essentially Marxist anti-colonial movements that have nowhere been successful.

Meanwhile, the traditional European cultures of brigandage, oppression and aggression (viz. the Roman empires, the Dark Ages, and European colonialism) have consolidated their vicarious hegemony over the bulk of the millennial muslim world by virtue of the terminal collapse of that world, which began a scant thirty years after the death of the prophet and continued for the remainder of its thousand-year term.  Qaddafi sees "Europe's interest" as perpetuation of this culture of outlawry, which of course its leaders see also.

Is Qaddafi "astute, forward thinking, and actually concerned for humanity"?  I think not.  He sees the "Islam" that he thinks will "conquer" Europe as a more efficient system of oppression, which is what predictably replaced Islam as the dominant political dynamic within a century after the Revelation.  Will Europe embrace Islam?  I think so, gradually and eventually.  Not because of what Qaddafi describes, but because those in the West who examine Islam find it to be God's mandate for universal liberty, prohibition of coercive government, and safeguards for the bases of liberty ~ inviolable sanctity of private property (elimination of "eminent domain"), abolition of legislative powers, restraint of executive political administration, local autonomy within federated sovereign republics, and prohibition of coercion whether physical, economic, or social.  In short, practical and effective libertarianism in the absense of oppressive institutions whether political, religious, legal, financial, or "educational."  In a word, Liberty.

I dismissed Qaddafi as a "muslim leader" in 1973, and the muslims around me wanted to lynch me.  Two years later, they had all realized that he was just another socialist politician dressed in Islamic garb.

He hasn't changed in the intervening thirty years.
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Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2006, 11:16:32 PM »
What a total load of shit:

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Will Europe embrace Islam?  I think so, gradually and eventually.  Not because of what Qaddafi describes, but because those in the West who examine Islam find it to be God's mandate for universal liberty, prohibition of coercive government, and safeguards for the bases of liberty ~ inviolable sanctity of private property (elimination of "eminent domain"), abolition of legislative powers, restraint of executive political administration, local autonomy within federated sovereign republics, and prohibition of coercion whether physical, economic, or social.  In short, practical and effective libertarianism in the absense of oppressive institutions whether political, religious, legal, financial, or "educational."  In a word, Liberty.

Islam, meaning "submission", is the antithesis of liberty.

Orwellian indeed.

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Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2006, 11:22:26 PM »
Why are you bringing up "liberty"?  You haven't cared about it since you were known as "ThoughtCriminal," some five "handles" ago.

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Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2006, 11:37:25 PM »
Why are you bringing up "liberty"?  You haven't cared about it since you were known as "ThoughtCriminal," some five "handles" ago.

Some people wouldn't know liberty if it walked up and smacked'em with a two-by-four to get their attention ~ which is what it would take.
It's too dark here.

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Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2006, 11:48:33 PM »
Why are you bringing up "liberty"?  You haven't cared about it since you were known as "ThoughtCriminal," some five "handles" ago.

Because WRS brought up it.

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Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2006, 11:49:05 PM »
Why are you bringing up "liberty"?  You haven't cared about it since you were known as "ThoughtCriminal," some five "handles" ago.

Some people wouldn't know liberty if it walked up and smacked'em with a two-by-four to get their attention ~ which is what it would take.

Perfect description of Mohammedans.  Thx.

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Re: Gaddafi: Europe will become Muslim
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2006, 09:09:35 AM »
Why are you bringing up "liberty"?  You haven't cared about it since you were known as "ThoughtCriminal," some five "handles" ago.

Some people wouldn't know liberty if it walked up and smacked'em with a two-by-four to get their attention ~ which is what it would take.

Yeah, the liberty enjoyed by women in theocratic Islamicf states fair oozes through the burka.