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Polish Bolsheviks Started WW2
« on: June 07, 2009, 06:29:05 PM »
Second World War started by Poland, says Russian researcher


By Mike Eckel in Moscow
AS THE Kremlin presses a campaign to recast Russia's 20th century history in a more favourable light, a research paper published yesterday on the Defence Ministry's website has blamed Poland for starting the Second World War.

The unorthodox reading of history appears to be the latest effort by Russian historians to defend the Soviet Union and its leaders, especially their role in what Russians call the Great Patriotic War.

The generally accepted view is that Poland was Ta victim rather than the aggressor in the conflict, and that Adolf Hitler's 1939 invasion of Poland marked the start of the war.

The research paper is not an official government statement. But the author is listed as Colonel Sergei Kovalyov, director of the scientific research department of military history, part of the Institute of Military History of the Ministry of Defence.

The paper, titled Fictions and Falsifications in Evaluating the USSR's Role On the Eve of the Second World War, recounts how in the run-up to Germany's invasion of Poland on 1 September, 1939, Hitler demanded that Poland turn over control of the city of Danzig as well as a land corridor between Germany and the territory now known as Kaliningrad.

"Everyone who has studied the history of the Second World War without bias knows that the war began because of Poland's refusal to satisfy Germany's claims," he writes.

Kovalyov called the demands "quite reasonable". He observed: "The overwhelming majority of residents of Danzig were Germans who sincerely wished for reunification with their historical homeland."



http://news.scotsman.com/world/Second-World-War-started-by.5337666.jp



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Re: Polish Bolsheviks Started WW2
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2009, 06:30:48 PM »

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Re: Polish Bolsheviks Started WW2
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2009, 06:48:26 PM »
Holyknight posted this story on June 04.

Poland has been obstinate in 1939 and they continue to be to this day, especially in dealings with Germany. I am not sure at this moment what is going on behinds the scenes right now....

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German requests were relatively modest: to enable free city of Danzig (now - Gdańsk) to the Third Reich and to accept the extraterritorial highway and construction of the railways, which would connect East Prussia with an essential part of Germany - the military historian. In his assessment, this claim has been "hardly be considered unreasonable".

This is true, HK. Ribbentrop's surprise offer was real. He was offering the Poles a Berlin-Warsaw alliance against Russia. BUT, Beck rebuffed Ribbentrop's offer.

Chamberlain also believed Danzig should be returned. Lord Halifax considered Danzig and the Corridor an absurdity. Yet Danzig has always been a German city, with 95% of German citizens.

Certain elements however had much sweeter dreams and of course Beck was a willing tool, and possibly one of the most important people for the unnecessary deaths of millions of innocent people on all sides. (Not to be intended as a white-wash of the peace loving gents such as Churchill, Hitler, Stalin, Roosevelt and a whole slew of others.)

We certainly have the same types these days, they just don't seem to die out....sigh].  Angry

You may want to read Patrick Buchan's latest book: 'Churchill, Hitler, and the unnecessary War', Patrick does not use any J-w words, it's not too hard to read between the lines.

Lucky for Patrick he is not writing about the White(?)  House. He'd be hard-pressed to stumble
across any Irish names.

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php?topic=13327.msg116272#msg116272
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Re: Polish Bolsheviks Started WW2
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2009, 06:53:01 PM »
"Everyone who has studied the history of the Second World War without bias knows that the war began because of Poland's refusal to satisfy Germany's claims," he writes.

Poland was crawling with jews.  There may be truth the stereotype of Poles being dumb; regarding jews, they continue to act like stupid Americans.
Nobody gets paid to tell the truth.

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Re: Polish Bolsheviks Started WW2
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2009, 06:28:46 AM »
And why should Poland 'have satisfied German claims'?

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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2009, 07:06:55 AM »
Just like 9/11, the Bin Ladens' Lair nonsense, etc., etc., our history is riddled with lies and half truths. The victors write the history. 

     During the day of August 31 the crisis reached its peak. When Germany had at last let Great Britain
     know that she agreed to hold direct negotiation with Poland, a course which she had , let it be said,
     refused to me, Poland, in spite of the terrible threat created by the sudden armed invasion of Slovakia
     by the German forces, at one endeavored to resort to this peaceful method. At one o'clock in the
     afternoon M. Lipski, the Polish Ambassador to Germany, requested an audience from Herr von
     Ribbentrop. Peace seemed to be saved. But the Reich Minister for Foreign Affairs would not receive
     M. Lipski till 7:45 P.M., seven hours later.

     While the latter was bringing the consent of his Government to direct conversations, the German
     Minister refused to communicate Germany's claims to the Polish Ambassador, on the pretext that the
     Ambassador had not full powers to accept or reject them on the spot.

     At 9 P.M. the German wireless was communicating the nature and the full extent of these claims; it
     added that Poland had rejected them. That is a lie. That is a lie, since Poland did not even know them.

     And at dawn on September 1 the Fuhrer gave his troops the order to attack. Never was aggression
     more unmistakable and less warranted; nor for its justification could more lies and cynicism have been
     brought into play.

     http://avalon.law.yale.edu/wwii/fr1.asp
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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Re: Polish Bolsheviks Started WW2
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2009, 02:47:27 PM »
Never believe anything a jew writes, edits, approves or publishes about Hitler or the Nazis.  Question the rest as well.
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Re: Polish Bolsheviks Started WW2
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2009, 02:52:53 PM »
Germany got sucked into WW2 the same way Iran will get sucked into WW3.

The jews will get the Zargos Oil Belt, and Americans will be dead

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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2009, 03:01:02 PM »
It's a good history lesson to do a side-by-side examination and post-80's Iran and Iraq.  They started out equal, and now look.
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Re: Polish Bolsheviks Started WW2
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2009, 03:04:13 PM »
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Germany got sucked into WW2 the same way Iran will get sucked into WW3.

The jews will get the Zargos Oil Belt, and Americans will be dead

USA will have to envoke a Draft, to do what needs done for the Jew.
I will leave my country that day, were it to happen.
My kids will not shed one ounce of blood, theirs or others, for Jewry.
Ill move to Greenland if neccessary and continue to cyber berate the Jew and the God they worship, Satan.
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Re: Polish Bolsheviks Started WW2
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2009, 03:26:37 PM »
Never believe anything a jew writes, edits, approves or publishes about Hitler or the Nazis.  Question the rest as well.

I always try to think about that. The odd slick one slips through, but you guys are pretty good a catching
them. :)
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.

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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2009, 03:33:52 PM »
"The overwhelming majority of residents of DanzigNew Mexico were GermansMexicans who sincerely wished for reunification with their historical homeland."



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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2009, 03:43:13 PM »
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And why should Poland 'have satisfied German claims'?

The Germans mainly wanted a German road thru Poland to East Prussia. The request is similar to Mexico requesting a Mexican road to Canada. But wait, don't they already have that in NAFTA?



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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2009, 12:42:52 PM »
Poland was crawling with jews.
So was Russia - even MORE so
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Re: Polish Bolsheviks Started WW2
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2009, 01:54:15 AM »
Germany got sucked into WW2 the same way Iran will get sucked into WW3.

So you think that Hitler was a stuge, a patsy, a dupe.  I agree.

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« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2009, 02:10:02 AM »
Poland was crawling with jews.  There may be truth the stereotype of Poles being dumb; regarding jews, they continue to act like stupid Americans.

I don't know what nationaliy you are, but I will assume American by the idiotic posts you have made on this thread, correct me if I'm wrong.  It is easy to say that you have no idea who Jews are.  You have never dealt with a Jew.  But, do carry on.

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« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2009, 05:57:24 AM »
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So you think that Hitler was a stuge, a patsy, a dupe.  I agree.

Certainly not. It was kill or be Killed.
His actions were defensive, and save a few grave errors, he was almost successful at destroying Jewish Communism.
He restored greatness to Germany in less than 5 years after being punished severely by the Jew Banksters and Jewish community.

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Re: Polish Bolsheviks Started WW2
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2009, 07:06:41 AM »
Certainly not. It was kill or be Killed.
His actions were defensive, and save a few grave errors, he was almost successful at destroying Jewish Communism.
He restored greatness to Germany in less than 5 years after being punished severely by the Jew Banksters and Jewish community.



Please, his actions  were anything but offensive.  And don't give me any bullshit that he had any concept of fighing communism.
 Poland had fought a war against the bolsheviks in 1920. Germans just sat there just like at the time Poland stopped the Turks from invading Europe.

You should read some books instead of basing your thoughts on Skunk's bullshit.

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« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2009, 07:14:22 AM »

He restored greatness to Germany in less than 5 years after being punished severely by the Jew Banksters and Jewish community.



Bullshit, he made up a system you are so strong agaisnt.  Wake up!!

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Re: Polish Bolsheviks Started WW2
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2009, 07:23:32 AM »
Poland was crawling with jews.  There may be truth the stereotype of Poles being dumb; regarding jews, they continue to act like stupid Americans.

Otherwise you post some good stuff.  In this case you are an idiot.  Oh, well.