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Valley Navy Veteran Receives Silver Star

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  By Jessica Peres
Visalia, CA (KFSN) -- Forty-two years ago the USS Liberty was attacked as it was docked in the Mediterranean Sea during the Arab -Israeli War.

One of the sailors on board was awarded the Navy's third-highest honor for saving more than 260 lives on that ship.

65-year old Terry Halbardier never thought he'd be in Congressman Devin Nunes' office receiving a Silver Star, the Navy's third highest honor for his role in saving 260 lives during the Arab-Israeli War, also known as "The Six Day War."

Terry Halbardier said, "I'm stoked! It's a total honored humbly honored right now I never expected something like this to happen."

The Navy vet was only 23-years old when his ship ... the USS Liberty was attacked by Israeli fighter jets. 34 crewmembers were killed, 170 others injured. During the two-hour attack Halbardier fixed an antenna that was shot down and sent out a signal for help.

The June 8th 1967 attack is widely controversial because Israel was the U.S.'s ally during the war. President Lyndon Johnson declared it an "accident" but those aboard are certain the attack was deliberate.

"There's a lot of theories but let's just say they didn't want us listening in to what they wanted to do," said Halbardier.

"The government has kept this quiet I think for too long and I felt as my constituent he needed to get recognized for the services he made to this country," said Nunes.


Halbardier still has scars all over his body from shrapnel during the attack. Former CIA Analyst Ray McGovern flew from Virginia to see Halbardier receive the Silver Star.

"Now we have a Silver Star- the third highest award for the Navy given to a person without whom there'd be no tale to tell that Liberty would be at the bottom of the Mediterranean," said McGovern.

Terry Halbardier says he still suffers from survivor's guilt. He continues to tell his story about the truth from that day to anyone who will listen.

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The June 8th 1967 attack is widely controversial because Israel was the U.S.'s ally during the war.

That's a bizarre statement, as the USA wasn't (officially) a belligerent in that war.
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That's a bizarre statement, as the USA wasn't (officially) a belligerent in that war.

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I don't think he is saying that the US was officially belligerent in that war.  He is saying that during that period, US was Israel's ally.

I believe the intended product of the attack was to engage us officially (break-away-ally) via the USS Liberty being setup as sitting ducks for a false-flag attack.  But word got out as to the culprits identity to too many during the attack - they had to abandon their mission before they could sink her... then claim, mistaken identity - friendly fire. 
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"The evidence was clear. Both Adm. Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack `¦ was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew. `¦ Not only did the Israelis attack the ship with napalm, gunfire, and missiles, Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned three lifeboats that had been launched in an attempt by the crew to save the most seriously wounded `“ a war crime. `¦




URL Source:  http://original.antiwar.com/mcgovern/2009/06/01/navy-vet-who -foiled-israeli-attack-honored/
Published: Jun 2, 2009
Author: Ray McGovern

What`s the difference between murder and massacre?

The answer is Terry Halbardier, whose bravery and ingenuity as a 23-year-old Navy seaman spelled the difference between the murder of 34 of the USS Liberty crew and the intended massacre of all 294.

The date was June 8, 1967; for the families of the 34 murdered and for the Liberty`s survivors and their families, it is a "date which will live in infamy" `“ like the date of an earlier surprise attack on the U.S. Navy.

The infamy is twofold: (1) the Liberty, a virtually defenseless intelligence collection platform prominently flying an American flag in international waters, came under deliberate attack by Israeli aircraft and three 60-ton Israeli torpedo boats off the coast of the Sinai on a cloudless June afternoon during the six-day Israeli-Arab war; and (2) President Lyndon Johnson called back carrier aircraft dispatched to defend the Liberty lest Israel be embarrassed `“ the start of an unconscionable cover-up, including top Navy brass, that persists to this day.

Given all they have been through, the Liberty survivors and other veterans `“ who joined Halbardier to celebrate his belated receipt of the Silver Star `“ can be forgiven for having doubted that this day would ever come. In the award ceremony at the Visalia, Calif., office of Rep. Devin Nunes, the Republican congressman pinned the Silver Star next to the Purple Heart that Halbardier found in his home mailbox three years ago.

Nunes said, "The government has kept this quiet I think for too long, and I felt as my constituent he [Halbardier] needed to get recognized for the services he made to his country."

Nunes got that right. Despite the many indignities the Liberty crew has been subjected to, the mood in Visalia was pronouncedly a joyous one of Better (42 Years) Late Than Never. And, it did take some time to sink in: Wow, a gutsy congressman not afraid to let the truth hang out on this delicate issue.

Treatment Accorded the Skipper

As we gathered in Congressman Nunes` office, I could not get out of my head the contrast between this simple, uncomplicated event and the rigmarole that senior Navy officers went through to pin a richly deserved Medal of Honor on another hero of that day, the Liberty`s skipper, Capt. William McGonagle.

Although badly wounded by Israeli fire on June 8, 1967, McGonagle was able to keep the bombed, torpedoed, napalmed Liberty afloat and limping toward Malta, where what was left of the bodies of the 34 crewmen killed and the 174 wounded could be attended to.

Do the math: yes, killed and wounded amounted to more than two-thirds of the Liberty crew of 294.

I remembered what a naval officer involved in McGonagle`s award ceremony told one of the Liberty crew: "The government is pretty jumpy about Israel `¦ the State Department even asked the Israeli ambassador if his government had any objections to McGonagle getting the medal."

When McGonagle received his award, the White House (the normal venue for a Medal of Honor award) was all booked up, it seems, and President Johnson (who would have been the usual presenter) was unavailable. So it fell to the secretary of the navy to sneak off to the Washington Navy Yard on the banks of the acrid Anacostia River, where he presented McGonagle with the Medal of Honor and a citation that described the attack but not the identity of the attackers.

Please don`t misunderstand. The Liberty crew is not big on ceremony. They are VERY-not-big on politicians who wink when Navy comrades are killed and wounded at sea.

Getting the Truth Out

The Liberty survivors are big on getting the truth out about what actually happened that otherwise beautiful day in June 1967. Last Wednesday`s award of the Silver Star to Terry Halbardier marked a significant step in the direction of truth-telling. Is it too much to hope that the example set by Nunes may embolden other lawmakers to right the wrongs done to their Liberty-veteran constituents `“ and thus to chip away at what`s left of the cover-up?

Halbardier said he accepted his Silver Star on behalf of the entire 294-man crew. He and fellow survivor Don Pageler expressed particular satisfaction at the wording of the citation, which stated explicitly `“ with none of the usual fudging `“ the identity of the attackers: "The USS Liberty was attacked by Israeli aircraft and motor torpedo boats in the East Mediterranean Sea`¦." In the past, official citations, like Capt. McGonagle`s, had avoided mentioning Israel by name when alluding to the attack.

I think former U.S. ambassador Edward Peck put it best in condemning this kind of approach as "obsequious, unctuous subservience to the peripheral interests of a foreign nation at the cost of the lives and morale of our own service members and their families." Strong words for a diplomat. But right on target.

Were it not for Halbardier`s bravery, ingenuity, and technical expertise, the USS Liberty would surely have sunk, taking down much `“ if not all `“ of the crew. Israeli commando helicopters were ready to take care of any personnel still that survived the sinking.

The first thing the Israeli aircraft bombed and strafed were the Liberty`s communications antennae and other equipment. They succeeded in destroying all the antennae that were functional. One antenna on the port side, though, had been out of commission and had escaped damage.

On Deck `“ Just a Guy From Texas

In receiving the Silver Star, Halbardier made light of his heroism, claiming that he was just a guy from Texas who could do a whole lot with simple stuff like baling wire. (In the infantry we called this kind of thing a "field expedient.") In any case, with his can-do attitude and his technical training, he figured he might be able to get that particular antenna working again. But first he would have to repair a cable that had been destroyed on deck and then connect the antenna to a transmitter.

The deck was still being strafed, but Halbardier grabbed a reel of cable, ran out onto the deck, and attached new cable to the antenna so a radioman could get an SOS out to the 6th fleet in the Mediterranean.

Voilà. "Mayday" went out; almost immediately the Israeli aircraft and torpedo ships broke off the attack and went back to base; the Israeli government sent a quick apology to Washington for its unfortunate "mistake;" and President Johnson issued orders to everyone to make believe the Israelis were telling the truth `“ or at least to remain silent.

To their discredit, top Navy brass went along, and the Liberty survivors were threatened with court-martial and prison if they so much as mentioned to their wives what had actually happened. They were enjoined as well from discussing it with one another. As Liberty crewman Don Pageler put it, "We all headed out after that, and we didn`t talk to each other."

The circumstances were ready-made for serious post-traumatic stress disorder.

The stories shared by Liberty survivors after the award ceremony, including descriptions of the macabre but necessary effort to reassemble torpedoed body parts, and the plague of survivor`s guilt, were as heart-rending as any I have heard. They are stories that should be shared more widely for those muzzled far too long `“ those who, even 42 years later, might be helped by being in contact with other Liberty survivors, and being able to talk about it.

These were the deep emotional scars to supplement the ones all over Halbardier`s body, some of which he uncovered when asked by the local press gathered there in Visalia. Typically, Halbardier made light of the shrapnel that had to be plucked out of his flesh, emphasizing that he was lucky compared to some of the other crew.

No Mistake

Despite Israeli protestations, the accumulated evidence, including intercepted voice communications, is such that no serious observer believes Israel`s "Oops" excuse of a terrible mistake.

The following exchanges are excerpts of testimony from U.S. military and diplomatic officials given to Alison Weir, founder of "If Americans Knew" and author of American Media Miss the Boat:

Israeli pilot to ground control: "This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?"

Ground control: "Yes, follow orders."

[`¦]

Pilot: "But sir, it`s an American ship `“ I can see the flag!"

Ground control: "Never mind; hit it!"

Haviland Smith, a CIA officer stationed in Beirut during the Six-Day War, says he was told that the transcripts were "deep-sixed," because the U.S. government did not want to embarrass Israel.

Tapes Also Destroyed

Equally telling is the fact that the National Security Agency (NSA) destroyed voice tapes seen by many intelligence analysts showing that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing.

I asked a former CIA colleague, who was also an analyst at that time, what he remembered of those circumstances. Here is his e-mail reply:

"The chief of the analysts studying the Arab-Israeli region at the time told me about the intercepted messages and said very flatly and firmly that the pilots reported seeing the American flag and repeated their requests of confirmation of the attack order. Whole platoons of Americans saw those intercepts. If NSA now says they do not exist, then someone ordered them destroyed."

One need hardly add at this point that the destruction of evidence without investigation is an open invitation to repetition in the future.

Think interrogation videotapes, for example.

As for the legal side: the late Capt. Ward Boston, unburdened himself on his accomplice role as the Navy lawyer appointed as senior counsel to Adm. Isaac Kidd, who led a one-week (!) investigation and then followed orders to pronounce the attack on the Liberty a case of "mistaken identity."

Boston signed a formal declaration on Jan. 8, 2004, in which he said he was "outraged at the efforts of the apologists for Israel in this country to claim that this attack was a case of `˜mistaken identity.`" Boston continued:

"The evidence was clear. Both Adm. Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack `¦ was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew. `¦ Not only did the Israelis attack the ship with napalm, gunfire, and missiles, Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned three lifeboats that had been launched in an attempt by the crew to save the most seriously wounded `“ a war crime. `¦

"I know from personal conversations I had with Adm. Kidd that President Lyndon Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered him to conclude that the attack was a case of `˜mistaken identity` despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."

Col. W. Patrick Lang, USA (ret.), who was the Defense Intelligence Agency`s top analyst for the Middle East for eight years, recounted the Israeli air attacks as follows:

"The flight leader spoke to his base to report that he had the ship in view, that it was the same ship he had been briefed on, and that it was clearly marked with the U.S. flag. `¦

"The flight commander was reluctant. That was very clear. He didn`t want to do this. He asked them a couple of times, `˜Do you really want me to do this?` I`ve remembered it ever since. It was very striking. I`ve been harboring this memory for all these years."

Lang, of course, is not alone. So too Terry Halbardier, who told those assembled last Wednesday, "I think about it [the attack on the Liberty] every day."

Why Sink the Ship?

What we know for sure is, as the independent commission headed by former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Thomas Moorer put it, the attack "was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew."

What we do not know for sure is why the Israelis wanted that done. Has no one dared ask the Israelis?

One view is that the Israelis did not want the United States to find out they were massing troops to seize the Golan Heights from Syria and wanted to deprive the U.S. of the opportunity to argue against such a move.

James Bamford offers an alternative view in his excellent book Body of Secrets. Bamford adduces evidence, including reporting from an Israeli journalist eyewitness and an Israeli military historian, of wholesale killing of Egyptian prisoners of war at the coastal town of El Arish in the Sinai. The Liberty was patrolling directly opposite El Arish in international waters but within easy range to pick up intelligence on what was going on there. And the Israelis were well aware of that.

But the important thing here is not to confuse what we know (the deliberate nature of the Israeli attack) with the ultimate purpose behind it, which remains open to speculation.

Also worth noting is the conventional wisdom prevalent in our Fawning Corporate Media (FCM) that Egypt forced Israel into war in June 1967. An excellent, authoritative source has debunked that `“ none other than former Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin! In an unguarded moment in 1982, when he was prime minister, he admitted publicly:

"In June 1967, we had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that [Egyptian President] Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him."

Thus, the Israeli attack admittedly amounted to starting a war of aggression, and the occupied West Bank territories and the Golan Heights `“ gained by the Israelis in the 1967 war `“ remain occupied to this day.

The post-WWII tribunal at Nuremberg distinguished a "war of aggression" from other war crimes, terming it the "supreme international crime, differing from other war crimes only in that it contains the accumulated evil of the whole."

Perhaps the attempt to sink the Liberty and finish off all survivors qualifies as one of those accumulated evils.

Terry Halbardier summed it up this way on Wednesday: "There`s lots of theories, but let`s just say they didn`t want us listening in to what they wanted to do."

Getting Away With Murder

In sum, on June 8, 1967, the Israeli government learned that it could get away with murder, literally, and the crime would be covered up, so strong is the influence of the Israel Lobby in our Congress `“ and indeed, in the White House. And those USS Liberty veterans who survived well enough to call for an independent investigation have been hit with charges of, you guessed it, anti-Semitism.

Does all this have relevance today? Of course.

Benjamin Netanyahu, the new Israeli prime minister, has now had an up-close-and-personal chance to take the measure of our new president and has already thumbed his nose at Barack Obama`s plea for a halt in illegal construction of Israeli settlements in the occupied territories.

The Israelis seem convinced they remain in the catbird`s seat, largely because of the Israel Lobby`s influence with U.S. lawmakers and opinion makers `“ not to mention the entree the Israelis enjoy to the chief executive himself by having one of their staunchest allies, Rahm Emanuel, in position as White House chief of staff.

The recent Obama-Netanyahu encounter reminded me very much of the meeting in Vienna between another young American president and Nikita Khrushchev in early June 1961. The Soviets took the measure of President John Kennedy, and we got the Cuban missile crisis, bringing the world close to nuclear destruction.

Netanyahu is currently whipping up frenzy and fear in the face of what he calls the "existential threat" posed by Iran `“ frenzy about the "danger" from Iran that could lead to military action of some kind. So confident is Netanyahu of the solidity of his position with movers and shakers in the U.S. that he may be sorely tempted to mount the kind of provocation that would be aimed at confronting Obama with an unwelcome choice between joining an Israeli attack on Iran or facing dire political consequences at home.

And nothing is outlandish any more. Remember Seymour Hersh`s report about Cheney`s office conjuring up plots as to how best to trigger a war with Iran?

"The one that interested me [SH] the most was why don`t we build `“ we in our shipyard `“ build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy SEALs on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up."

Mullen`s Message

President Obama might want to think about delivering a pointed message via a senior U.S. military officer. It worked last time.

In early July 2008, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen was sent to Israel to read the riot act to then-prime minister Ehud Olmert, who seemed to be itching to start hostilities with Iran while Bush and Cheney were still in office.

We learned from the Israeli press that Mullen, to his credit, went so far as to warn the Israelis not to even think about another incident like the attack on the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967 `“ that the Israelis should disabuse themselves of the notion that U.S. military support would be knee-jerk automatic if Israel somehow provoked open hostilities with Iran.

This is the only occasion of which I am aware when a U.S. official of such seniority braced Israel about the Liberty incident. A gutsy move, especially with Cheney and Elliott Abrams then in the White House, two hawks who would bless `“ or even encourage `“ an Israeli provocation that would make it very difficult for Washington to avoid springing to the defense of its "ally."

The Israelis know that Mullen knows that the attack on the Liberty was deliberate. Mullen could have raised no more neuralgic an issue to take a shot across an Israeli bow than to cite the attack on the Liberty. The Jerusalem Post reported that Mullen cautioned that a Liberty-type incident must be avoided in any future military actions in the Middle East.

Will Netanyahu give more weight to Mullen or to pro-Israel politicians like Sen. Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey? Lautenberg, who has visited Israel 80 times since 1968, spoke with the Jerusalem Post earlier this week and pledged full support for pretty much whatever Israel wants to do:

"Israel didn`t ask us permission to drop bombs twice on Syrian nuclear facilities. I don`t hear America scolding Israel for what it did then. Hypothetically, if Israel were able to get rid of Iran`s nuclear bomb-making capability, I`m sure that America would not send Israel a chastising e-mail message. We have to give Israel the courtesy of [allowing it to] make its own decisions."

For good measure, Lautenberg said Israel "won`t return to the `˜67 borders. They are insufficient to permit Israel to function."

Let me ask again: Will Netanyahu give more weight to Mullen over Lautenberg and a pro-Israel U.S. secretary of state (Hillary Clinton) who spoke about "obliterating" Iran during last year`s campaign?

In gauging President Obama`s clout with the Washington power-brokers, Netanyahu is likely to draw conclusions more from things like Obama`s inability, or reluctance, to turn off the feckless, counterproductive sabotage squads inside Iran, than from any warnings Netanyahu may have heard from the president to please not attack Iran.

Seems we are pretty much back where we were a year ago, when it looked like Olmert might mount some kind of provocation involving Iran. Perhaps President Obama should send Adm. Mullen back to Israel.

And perhaps this time Mullen should take Terry Halbardier with him.

Netanyahu needs to be confronted without delay. And June 8, the 42nd anniversary of the attempted sinking of the USS Liberty, could prove an interesting time to be in Tel Aviv.

This article originally appeared at ConsortiumNews.com.

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From the article... Worth repeating...

We learned from the Israeli press that Mullen, to his credit, went so far as to warn the Israelis not to even think about another incident like the attack on the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967 `“ that the Israelis should disabuse themselves of the notion that U.S. military support would be knee-jerk automatic if Israel somehow provoked open hostilities with Iran.

Seems we are pretty much back where we were a year ago, when it looked like Olmert might mount some kind of provocation involving Iran. Perhaps President Obama should send Adm. Mullen back to Israel.
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The June 8th 1967 attack is widely controversial because Israel was the U.S.'s ally during the war.

That's a bizarre statement, as the USA wasn't (officially) a belligerent in that war.


Johnson provided the IDF with tactical battlefield air reconnaissance, that much direct support is documented.  The US was among the belligerents on the side of the Israelis, "official" or not.
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The US was among the belligerents on the side of the Israelis, "official" or not.

Something along the lines that the US was on the side of assassinating JFK. 

Please don't speak for officials (not beholden to Israel), for the US, or patriots. 

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Washington Report, April 30, 1984, Page 8
 
Personality
 
J. William Fulbright
 
A Disturbing Pattern
He sees the U.S.'s relations with Israel and with the Soviet Union as being, in some ways, part of the same cloth, and finds the pattern disturbing.
 
"Israel and its supporters are among the principal obstacles to the normalization of our relations with the Russians," he says. "Since the very early days they have been telling us that Israel is the bulwark against the spread of Soviet influence in the Middle East, and this has fitted in well with our paranoia about the Russians. Now they feel that if there is any relaxation of our attitude towards the Russians, their ability to obtain money and arms from the U.S. would diminish. That's true. If you really had detente it would be much more difficult to get money out of Congress for Israel than it is now."
 
http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/043084/840430008.html
 

"Israel controls the Senate," said J. William Fulbright, chairman of the
Foreign Relations Committee, in 1973. "We should be more concerned about the
United States' interests."
 
http://www.theamericancause.org/patmideastpeace.htm



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1967 Israeli-Arab Six Day war:
Senator William Fulbright asserts that the Jews Control the Senate
Introduction

This excerpt of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee meeting of June 9, 1967, sheds interesting light on the attitude of Chairman William Fulbright and Senator Hickenlooper. The discussion was no doubt colored by bitterness over Israeli sinking of the Liberty on June 8, but was ostensibly about the discovery, by the American policy makers, that they had little or no leverage on Israel:

   It is a fact, is it not, that neither Soviet Russia nor the United States has given any material amounts of arms to Israel,  and, if that is true, are they not relatively independent in their thinking at this point?

    Secretary Rusk. No, we have provided tanks and Hawk missiles and certain other kinds of equipment to Israel, but their principal arms supplier has been France. And I am assuming that France, Britain, the Soviet Union, ourselves, would have to be involved in any discussion on this subject.

    The Israeli air force is almost all French supplied.

Israel had purchased most of its arms from France, because the US would not supply arms to Israel and refused most requests. Germany, as the hearings reveal elsewhere, had supplied Israel with some equipment, including about 60 M-48 Patton tanks (the number is exaggerated by some sources, but that is the figure given in the committee hearings). The tanks were being converted to diesel fuel at the time of the war, and were mostly out of service. Israel had asked for M-48 tanks to "replace" those tanks (they asked for a hundred tanks to replace 60 apparently) but the US refused.

The senators, and apparently Secretary of State Rusk, were perhaps ignorant of the fact that United Jewish Appeal contributions and other donations were used for reforestation, road building, building of the Hebrew University, building and equipping of hospitals and other such civilian projects. Arms were financed from taxes and long term loans. Without the charitable donations, Israel would still have borrowed money to buy armaments. The crucial part of the dialog between Chairman Fulbright, and Senator Symington, who apparently could not believe his ears:

The Chairman. The trouble is they think they have control of the Senate and they can do as they please.

Senator Symington. What was that?

The Chairman. I said they know they have control of the Senate politically, and therefore whatever the Secretary tells them, they can laugh at him. They say, ``Yes, but you don't control the Senate.

Ami Isseroff

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SOURCES OF ISRAELI ARMS

    Senator Symington. Mr. Secretary, may I just say----

    Secretary Rusk. Yes?

    Senator Symington [continuing]. We have been running  hearings for a good many weeks, and we would have had one yesterday with Mr. Kitchen except for this.

    It is a fact, is it not, that neither Soviet Russia nor the United States has given any material amounts of arms to Israel,  and, if that is true, are they not relatively independent in their thinking at this point?

    Secretary Rusk. No, we have provided tanks and Hawk missiles and certain other kinds of equipment to Israel, but their principal arms supplier has been France. And I am assuming that France, Britain, the Soviet Union, ourselves, would have to be involved in any discussion on this subject.

    The Israeli air force is almost all French supplied.

    Well, there is another element, if we could inject something on that into a final settlement it would be helpful.

                    TRAGEDY OF PALESTINIAN REFUGEES

    Then, there is the problem of the refugees, this intractable issue which has resisted settlement despite many, many efforts to do so.

    The tragedy of the refugee problem is that some of us are convinced that there is a practical solution which would be acceptable to both sides, but which in theory is unacceptable to both sides. What I mean by that is that if you could get each refugee into the privacy of a confessional booth and let him make a personal and secret judgment as to where he wants to live, many of us believe, are convinced, that their own personal and secret choices would produce a practical result which Israel could accept.

    I mean if the gentlemen around this table were Palestine refugees, would you all want to live in Israel? I doubt you would. But if one out of ten wanted to live in Israel, we could persuade Israel, I think, to accept that number, and we could find compensation and resettlement for those who are wanting to live in other places.

    What has stood in the way of that, and we have tried this several times, is the political fact that if you have a
machinery which is known, the Arabs pass the word among the Palestinians, ``Now you go in there and tell them you want to go in Israel or you are going to get your throat cut,'' and the Arabs insist as a matter of principle Israel would have to accept how many would opt to go to Israel.

    Israel can take 150,000, 200,000, but they are not going to take a million.

    But Arabs insist as a matter of principle a million must have a chance to opt to go to Israel.

    Now, it may be out of this will come some settlement of that problem.

    I heard one report out of Tel Aviv that the Israelis are thinking about insisting that the West Bank of the Jordan be an autonomous province of Jordan and the home for the refugees. Well, that will not settle the problem politically entirely, but some fresh thought can be----

    Senator Hickenlooper. It would be another Gaza Strip, would it not?

    Secretary Rusk. It would tend to be if they go there simply as a way station on the way back to Israel, rather than accept it genuinely as a final solution.

    Senator Symington. Could I ask one question here?    Secretary Rusk. Yes, sir, Senator.

                  U.S. HAS LIMITED LEVERAGE ON ISRAEL

    Senator Symington. When the Israelis, as you know, were anxious to have declarations that we should go in with Israel unilaterally, Mr. Secretary, that we should support them unilaterally, I did not think we could do it because we were so heavily committed in Vietnam. I did not see where the trained people come from, especially if we are going to accede to more people in Vietnam, and, thereafter, after waiting to find out whether anybody would help them, in effect they have struck by themselves and have been markedly successful. Does it not mean  we have relatively little leverage on what they want to do now that they have physically occupied these countries by utilizing their military equipment intelligently?

    Secretary Rusk. We have some limited leverage on them. I told the committee earlier that we felt we had a commitment from them that they would not move during this time period in which they did move.

    Now, the situation on the Egyptian side built up in such a way that it put great pressure upon the Israeli Government, and I have no doubt that on the day they decided to shoot the works that they felt that they were in danger of an imminent attack, based upon information that they thought they had in front of them.

     But I think the real pressures on them, Senator, are going to be the necessity for their finding some way to live with these now hundred million, soon to be 200 million, Arabs, because if they try to remain a little armed camp there forever in a sea of bitter hostility, they have got some major problems for their own long-term survival.

                     SUBSIDIZING THE REFUGEE CAMPS

    Senator Gore. Mr. Secretary, I realize that we do not have power, as Senator Symington has punctuated, to give instructions and directions there.

    There is one problem, it seems to me, about which we can have a say, and that is continued subsidization of this refugee camp. I went there ten years ago and found it an impossible situation in which they have continued all the while to feed and clothe, support those people, and there are some 200,000 more than when they went into the camp. So surely we can have something to say about no longer continuing to subsidize this.

   Secretary Rusk. Well, that constitutes some pressure on the Arabs. It does not constitute any pressure on Israel.

    Senator Gore. Well, Israel has taken over some of them, in the Gaza Strip and also in Jordan. They are now claiming sovereignty. So it seems to me it might be a pressure on both.

    Secretary Rusk. Well, I do think that the refugee matter should be raised and looked at wholly anew in connection with a settlement of this present situation.


    Senator Gore. The point I am trying to make is this is one subject on which we can have a say, and that is how long we are going to continue to pay a very heavy cost of these refugees if they are not dispersed into the countryside.

    Secretary Rusk. Well, I do not want to underestimate influence in this situation, but I just want to point out that
it is not necessarily decisive when you are talking with countries about what they consider the life and death issues for them.

    TAX EXEMPTIONS FOR DONATIONS TO ISRAEL

Senator Hickenlooper. Do we not give tax forgiveness for moneys contributed to Israel, which is rather unusual? We could stop that.

Secretary Rusk. I believe contributions to the UJA are tax exempt, yes.

The Chairman. That is right.

The only country. Do you think you have the votes in the Senate to revoke that?

Senator Case. Are you in favor yourself? Senator Hickenlooper. I think we ought to treat all nations alike.

Senator Case. That is correct. But are you in favor of it?

Senator Hickenlooper. As long as we do not give it to other nations, I do not----

The Chairman. The trouble is they think they have control of the Senate and they can do as they please.

Senator Symington. What was that?

The Chairman. I said they know they have control of the Senate politically, and therefore whatever the Secretary tells them, they can laugh at him. They say, ``Yes, but you don't control the Senate.''

Senator Symington. They were very anxious to get every Senator they could to come out and say we ought to act unilaterally, and they got two, three.

The Chairman. They know when the chips are down you can no more reverse this tax exemption than you can fly. You could not pass a bill through the Senate.

Senator Hickenlooper. I do not think you could. 

The Chairman. Changing that tax exemption contribution to the UJA. I would bet you ten to one you could not begin to pass a bill. You do not believe they could under any circumstances.

Senator Symington. A bill to do what? 

The Chairman. To revoke the tax exemption of gifts to the UJA. That is one of their major sources of income. You yourself have pointed out the money they paid for the French arms they got from the U.S.

Senator Symington. Each year the money we give annually for this is less than 1 percent of the cost of Vietnam. The Chairman. I agree with that.

Senator Hickenlooper. There you go.

U.S. CONTRIBUTIONS PAY THE ISRAELI ARMS

The Chairman. But you know very well, you said yourself, that the arms they buy from France are largely paid for by contributions that come from this country.

Senator Symington. Because we would not sell it to them, so instead of selling them the arms----

Senator Gore. Has the President recommended that this be repealed?

The Chairman. No, he has not. I do not wish to make the point except the Secretary is quite correct when he says his leverage on Israel is very limited because of the political situation.

Senator Hickenlooper. I am sorry I brought it up.

Secretary Rusk. I did not say it.

The Chairman. If you did not say it, you do not disagree with it anyway.

Secretary Rusk. I think it should be pointed out though on this tax exempt matter that there are many other organizations, institutions, that would fall into the same principle, private foundations in their expenditures abroad, churches, the voluntary agencies; there are very large sums of money going to foreign countries that are tax exempt in this country as the origin.

Senator Hickenlooper. I do not think it is analogous. Senator Gore. It is tax deductible; you said tax exempt. Secretary Rusk. Except the organizations are exempt. Contributions to them are tax deductible.


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So the man accepts this medal for the rest of the crew of the U.S.S. Liberty. Great, but how about giving the survivors each a Congressional Medal of Honor for keeping calm enough not to go waste some kikes over that attack. NOT to go after any israeli or israeli supporter after that is way above and beyond their duty.
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The following exchanges are excerpts of testimony from U.S. military and diplomatic officials given to Alison Weir, founder of "If Americans Knew" and author of American Media Miss the Boat:

Israeli pilot to ground control: "This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?"

Ground control: "Yes, follow orders."

[`¦]

Pilot: "But sir, it`s an American ship `“ I can see the flag!"

Ground control: "Never mind; hit it!"

The above "exchange" is a fantasy. According to trasncripts of the actual UHF communications between the attacking pilots and their controllers (listened to/translated by two different sources), the planes were ordered, "Leave her!" after they began reading English characters off the hull.

The pilots did, of course, immediately break off the attack.

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Boston continued:

"The evidence was clear. Both Adm. Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack `¦ was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew. `¦ Not only did the Israelis attack the ship with napalm, gunfire, and missiles, Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned three lifeboats that had been launched in an attempt by the crew to save the most seriously wounded `“ a war crime. `¦

"I know from personal conversations I had with Adm. Kidd that President Lyndon Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered him to conclude that the attack was a case of `˜mistaken identity` despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."

And yet, Admiral Kidd himself maintained that the Navy court's findings were correct: The attack was the result of mistaken identity.

It was only after Kidd had died that Boston came out of the woodwork claiming to have knowledge as to how he really felt.

Of course, Kidd, cannot dispute Boston's allegations - he's dead.


Which is convenient for some, apparently.
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The pilots did, of course, immediately break off the attack.

Speaking of fantasy... you're becoming delusional. The facts keep coming and yet you are wrapping yourself deeper and deeper within a cocoon of lies. This does not bode well for your mental health dewd.
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Let's see... who should we believe, those actually there, officially privy, or an Israeli Apologist "Ahron Jay Cristol" Shill?

Hmmm, decisions, decisions?  My, if we all could only be the judge and jury of our own trials.

The long suppressed truth is getting out... getting a little hot under the collar isn't?  Wait until we can regain some control back from the D.C. Knesset and declassify 9/11.  If only Israel was held to account for at least the USS Liberty, I believe with all my soul, that 9/11 would never have happened nor these subsequent wars.

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Dear Jerusalem Post

Americans are reading Herzl's and Sharett's diaries, your leaders autobiographies and declassified cabinet meetings minutes, US military Intel, consular and State Dept. archives. Forget US TV. They are your best friend. They have destroyed their credibility on Mid East reporting.

I have uncovered mountains of archival material of your long history of terrorism for a documentary in progress. We have uncensored TV over here so your Lobby will not be able to do what you do so well...kill the truth.

What is emerging is a long suppressed (in American media) history of Zionist Terrorism, a country literally born in terrorist violence. We can count. We do watch TV. And we know who has massacred whom, from Deir Yassin to Sharon's Force 101.

As veterans, our military Intel colleagues tell us about your illegal selling of US military technology, your extensive spying here, the war criminals you will not extradite, and yes...we know about our NSA intercept of your high command order to attack the Liberty. We know you are pathological liars who are a threat to every nation on the planet.

You have a good lock on our Congressmen, and our Defense contractors. Thanks to the Internet, grass roots Americans are quickly identifying and learning all about this. The Internet was your doom. We could never be doing this without it. We will root out the supporters of Zionist terrorism here, and we are going to take our Congress back from your Lobby here.

It will take a while...five or ten years. But in the end US support for Israel will be eliminated and then it will be reparations and crimes against humanity time. We are already planning for trials over here.

In the end...all of your victims will be heard...and you will receive the justice that you deserve. We will build a real Holocaust museum, devoted to your victims, listing the names of their killers. You will wear the shame for all eternity. For the few of you who are not atheists, may God have mercy on your souls.

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I am glad to see it is "once again" in Military.com and Navy News.  Our troops must know the enemy within masquerading as an ally.  The Sept 10th, 2001, released, SAMS Report should also be included in their military survival kits.

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Military.com|by Bryant Jordan


A former Sailor whose quick action aboard the USS Liberty 42 years ago kept it from sinking was awarded a Silver Star Wednesday in the Visilia, Calif., office of Rep. David Nunes.
 
James "Terry" Halbardier repaired a damaged antenna while under fire by Israeli aircraft, which had already knocked out the ship's communications, according to James Ennes, an officer aboard the Liberty that day.
 
Israel has long claimed the attack was a case of mistaken identity.

The United States accepted Israel's apology and a Navy Court of Inquiry concluded the attack was an accident. Testimony by crewmembers pointed to a deliberate attack and the legal adviser to the court later said the court's conclusions were a sham.
 
A new book, "The Attack on The Liberty," by James Scott, argues that President Lyndon Johnson`s administration allowed the accident story to stand in order to avoid a conflict with American Jewish leaders, many of whom already were opposed to his escalation of the Vietnam War.
 
The Liberty is one of the most decorated ships in the Navy`s history as a result of the June 8, 1967, attack and the crew's successful fight to save it and each other. Its commander, Capt. William McGonagle, was presented the Medal of Honor, while executive officer Lt. Cmdr. Philip McCutcheon Armstrong was posthumously awarded the Navy Cross.

Other members of crew were awarded 11 Silver Stars, 23 Bronze Stars, a Presidential Unit Citation, and more than 200 Purple Hearts `“ and now, Halbardier`s Silver Star.

In an interview, Halbardier told Military.com that he initially was interested only in getting the medals that he was certain he qualified for -- including the Purple Heart and the Combat Action Ribbon.

These he collected about three or four years ago, he said, after Ennes and others who could testify to his actions and wounds filed the necessary paperwork. But then his shipmates realized that without Halbardier`s actions, they might all be dead.
 
"They figured out that because we got that mayday out ... it saved the ship," he said.
 
Halbardier, 65, said he thought he might get a Bronze Star for his efforts and was totally surprised when he learned he was being awarded the Silver Star, the third highest award for valor after the Medal of Honor and the Navy Cross.
 
But it was not only the level of award that surprised him, but the fact the citation actually identified the attacking forces as Israeli. All other decoration citations presented to Liberty crew and officers, including the Medal of Honor awarded to McGonagle, never identified the attackers, he said
 
"Mine is the only one that ever mentions Israel," he said, and wonders if Navy officials erred and forgot to expunge the reference.
 
Courage under fire

Ennes, author of the 1979 book, "Assault on the Liberty," told Military.com in a May 26 email that Halbardier came up to him as he lay with a broken leg on a gurney.

Ennes was the electronics material officer and Halbardier's supervisor.

The 23-year-old electronics technician 3rd class told Ennes that all the antennas had been destroyed, but that he thought he could get one operating by running some cable from it to the main transmitter room.
 
And that's just what he did.
 
According to the Silver Star citation, Halbardier repeatedly exposed himself to enemy fire and suffered wounds as he scrambled across the open deck to repair the antenna for a mayday message.

"His courageous actions were critical in alerting distant Navy commanders to the ship's need for assistance and were instrumental in saving the ship and hundreds of lives," the citation reads, staving off further attacks.

"I do believe that if Terry had not rigged the antenna, our help message would not have gotten out,` Ennes said. `Israel `¦ would have continued the attack until we sank with all hands."


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Even in Defense Tech: October 10, 2007...

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Defense Tech: The USS Liberty and the McCain Presidential Bid

In recent months there have been more revelations about the attack and immediate aftermath, however. In June, I reported that the Navy already was calling the attack accidental in its casualty notification telegrams to next of kin even before the court of inquiry convened for the first time.

Then came the Tribune story last week, reporting that the National Security Agency's deputy director of operations in 1967 now confirms that transcripts of U.S. intercepts of Israeli communications show the Israelis knew exactly who they were attacking.


Oliver Kirby is quoted in the Trib story as recalling the Israeli pilots several times identifying the ship as American but being told to attack anyway. While some of the original transcripts and intel have disappeared, the story reports that some of it is still in U.S. government archives.

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/003776.html


Liberty Denier Jay Cristol

Chief among the Liberty deniers is Florida bankruptcy magistrate Ahron Jay Cristol, who wrote a book defending the Israeli position. According to Cristol, 13 investigations have all found Israel to be without blame`”a claim he repeats at every opportunity. It is totally false. Liberty survivors have for more than a year offered a $10,000 reward to anyone who can prove Cristol`s assertion. In fact, there has never been a single congressional investigation (see `Cristol Claim of 13 Investigations Into Israel`s Attack on USS Liberty a Travesty,` by Terence O`Keefe, December 2003 Washington Report, p. 14). Yet the author continues to make the false allegation, and no one has claimed the reward.

Survivors have offered to debate the issue publicly with Mr. Cristol and have invited him to defend his position. He will not. But neither will he remove his indefensible false claim from his Web site.

Meanwhile, our story gains acceptance and credibility. USS Liberty memorials have been established in at least 50 locations. Among these, an important display at the National Cryptologic Museum near Fort Meade, Maryland, includes several Liberty artifacts, including the oversize Holiday Flag that flew during the torpedo boat attack.

Another flag that flew and was shot down during the Israeli attack recently was recovered and will soon be on permanent display at the new Cold War Museum near Washington. That flag, tattered and holed by shrapnel, illustrates this article.

A Google search for `USS Liberty` reveals over 60,000 mentions on hundreds of Web sites. Dozens of sites are devoted to telling the story; topping the list with over a million visits to the site is <www.ussliberty.org>, created by this writer. Close behind is <www.usslibertyinquiry.com>, which evaluates the evidence from a prosecutor`s viewpoint and provides an active discussion forum for those interested in discussing the attack and cover-up.

This is not a story that will go away.

James Ennes was a lieutenant on the bridge of the ship during the attack and is author of Assault on the Liberty, available through the AET Book Club.

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/May-June_2005/0505030.html


This battle-scarred flag flew during the Israeli air attack on the USS Liberty. When it was shot down, crewmembers quickly replaced it (Courtesy Cold War Museum).
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The pilots did, of course, immediately break off the attack.

Speaking of fantasy... you're becoming delusional. The facts keep coming...

What facts? So far, with regard to the supposed exchanges between the Israeli pilots and their controllers, all I've seen are people speaking of their rememberances from forty-odd years ago as to who said what.

On the other hand, we have the actual tapes that have been transcribed by at least two different sources.
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The above "exchange" is a fantasy. According to trasncripts of the actual UHF communications between the attacking pilots and their controllers (listened to/translated by two different sources), the planes were ordered, "Leave her!" after they began reading English characters off the hull. - Mr. Napalm GelIgnite

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What facts? So far, with regard to the supposed exchanges between the Israeli pilots and their controllers, all I've seen are people speaking of their rememberances from forty-odd years ago as to who said what.

On the other hand, we have the actual tapes that have been transcribed by at least two different sources. - Mr. Napalm GelIgnite

Who is "we have"?  Israel.  LOL!

So the so-called evidence in the hands of the murderers for some forty years that was most likely dubbed, altered, erased, and edited weighs more than US Military, diplomatic officials and the actual witnesses.

How do you sleep at night.  tic, toc.
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So the so-called evidence in the hands of the murderers for some forty years that was most likely dubbed, altered, erased, and edited weighs more than US Military, diplomatic officials and the actual witnesses.

Yes.

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How do you sleep at night.  tic, toc.

Like a baby.
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You are seriously deranged.

It must suck to be you, defending the criminal element. Sometimes I wish there was a heaven and hell, but I continue to seek justice here and now.

go away little insane one, you are a skid mark on the cotton of life, but I'm sure you will get a kick out of being compared to scat skids.
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Who is "we have"?  Israel.  LOL!

So the so-called evidence in the hands of the murderers for some forty years that was most likely dubbed, altered, erased, and edited weighs more than US Military, diplomatic officials and the actual witnesses.

How do you sleep at night.  tic, toc.

It has no trouble sleeping, that is what insanity is all about.
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It has no trouble sleeping, that is what insanity is all about.

Yup.  And only a true psychopath would use the name of a mode of death bestowed on the victims as he shills for the murderers...   GelIGNITE - Napalm - Israel - USS Liberty.
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Good posts, Liz ~ new material.

But you'll never get Jelly to give an inch.  Don't let that influence your feelings about the dialogue.
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