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Israel plans ceasefire, Hamas vows to fight on
« on: January 17, 2009, 09:17:13 AM »

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By Nidal al-Mughrabi
2 hours, 43 minutes ago

GAZA (Reuters) - Israel plans to halt its Gaza offensive without any deal with Hamas, an Israeli official said on Saturday, in an apparent effort to deny the Islamist group any gains from the three-week-old conflict.

Hamas leaders in exile have vowed to fight on, but many of the 1.5 million Palestinians enduring incessant bombardment and privation in Gaza seemed desperate for their ordeal to end.

"The goal is to announce, subject to cabinet approval, a suspension of military activities because we believe our goals have been attained," said the official, asking not to be named.

Israel launched air strikes on the Gaza Strip on December 27 and ground troops pushed in a week later.

Without an accord with Hamas, diplomats said they feared Israel would let only a trickle of goods into Gaza, hampering reconstruction and creating more hardship for its people.

The security cabinet is due to meet in the evening and Prime Minister Ehud Olmert will address the nation after that.

"There is no agreement with Hamas," the Israeli official said, adding that Israel would reserve the right to act if Hamas continued firing or launched rockets across the border.

A Hamas official in Beirut said earlier the militants would keep fighting until Israel met their demands, mainly for an end to a crippling economic blockade.

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak urged Israel to end its military operations immediately and planned to host a reconstruction conference, but he did not say when.

Western diplomats said Cairo was also planning a meeting of world leaders on Gaza as early as Sunday. U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and several European leaders were expected to attend, the diplomats said.

Israeli forces attacked 50 targets in the coastal enclave overnight. Tank fire killed two boys sheltering at a United Nations school, a U.N. official said.

"These two little boys are as innocent, indisputably, as they are dead," John Ging, head of the U.N. Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) in Gaza, told Reuters after the school was hit.

The Israeli army was checking the report. A spokesman said troops do not target civilians but respond when fired on.

In addition to declaring a unilateral ceasefire, Israeli officials said they expected Israel and Egypt to reach an agreement on increased security along the Gaza-Egyptian border.

Under its terms, they said, the Rafah border crossing would only reopen in line with a 2005 agreement with the Palestinian Authority, which calls for President Mahmoud Abbas's forces to be in control and for Europeans to monitor traffic.

Hamas drove Abbas's forces from Gaza in June 2007, 18 months after defeating his secular Fatah faction in a Palestinian election. It no longer recognizes him as president.

Abbas will meet Mubarak in Cairo on Sunday, his aides said.

TRUCE TERMS

Gaza's crossings with Israel were likely to open initially only for humanitarian supplies, the Israeli officials said. Israeli leaders want to link opening the passages fully to talks over Gilad Shalit, an Israeli soldier held in Gaza by Hamas.

Hamas negotiators were due to meet Egyptian officials to discuss Israel's response to truce terms they have offered.

"Either we hear what we have demanded or the result will be the continuation of confrontation on the ground," Osama Hamdan, Hamas's representative in Lebanon, declared in Beirut.

Hamas has offered a one-year, renewable truce on condition that all Israeli forces leave Gaza within a week and that all the border crossings with Israel and Egypt are opened.

Israel appears keen to halt Gaza hostilities before Barack Obama is sworn in as U.S. president on Tuesday, to avoid clouding a historic day for its main ally. Israelis mostly back the war, but much of the world wants the bloodshed to stop.

At least 1,203 Palestinians have been killed, including 410 children, and 5,300 wounded, Hamas health officials said.

Ten Israeli soldiers and three civilians, hit by rockets fired from Gaza, have been killed during the offensive.

Four soldiers were seriously wounded on Saturday, possibly by "friendly fire," an Israeli military spokesman said.

Ging, the UNRWA chief, said Israeli tank fire killed the two brothers, aged 5 and 7, in a U.N. school in the northern town of Beit Lahiya where they had sought sanctuary. Their mother, who was among 14 wounded, had her legs blown off.

"The question now being asked is: Is this and the killing of all other innocent civilians in Gaza a war crime?" Ging said.

About 45,000 Gazans fleeing battle zones are sheltering in U.N.-run schools in the enclave. On January 6 Israeli shelling killed 42 people who had taken refuge at a U.N. school. An UNRWA compound was hit twice on Thursday and three staff were wounded.

Hamas rocket fire has dwindled but not ceased. Seven rockets hit Israel on Saturday, causing no casualties, the army said.

(Writing by Alistair Lyon; Additional reporting by Adam Entous, Ari Rabinovitch, Luke Baker and Ori Lewis in Jerusalem, Alaa Shahine in Cairo, and Yara Bayoumy in Beirut)

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Re: Israel plans ceasefire, Hamas vows to fight on
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2009, 09:41:56 AM »
You got to love it...Israel starts the gunfire, Israel refuses ceasefire talks for three weeks, now we are told: Israel plans ceasefire, Hamas vows to fight on

um...Hamas leaders in exile have vowed to fight on...

Were these 'exiles' even asked in Gaza?

Well, the Israelis have proved to the world that they are 100% true blue psychopaths...toward civilians. Much as the Georgians showed to the the world recently. The Georgians were of course advised by the Israelis. Iraq and Afghanistan. The Americans also retained Israeli advisers.

The message: fear us, obey us. Our allies.

Whether they will withdraw remains to be seen. probably carry on for another week. If all this was designed to provoke Iran into a response they have failed. The world yawned...or so the lamestream media would have us believe. Mr. Change didn't raise an eyebrow. Preparing his entree. And his awaiting 'crisis'.
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Re: Israel plans ceasefire, Hamas vows to fight on
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2009, 02:43:53 PM »

IT IS ALL FLUFF, they will go on, and on, until there are no Palis left.


       Israel to cease fire in Gaza, no deal for Hamas

       

       By Nidal al-Mughrabi
       23 minutes ago

GAZA (Reuters) - Israel called off its three-week offensive in the Gaza Strip on Saturday, saying Hamas was "badly beaten," but the Islamist group vowed to fight on in a war that has killed 1,200 Palestinians in the coastal enclave.

Within minutes of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert announcing that a unilateral ceasefire would start three hours later at 2 a.m. (0000 GMT) on Sunday, several missiles struck southern Israel.

"Conditions have been created whereby the goals set at the launch of the operation have been more than fully achieved," Olmert said in a televised address from army headquarters.

He said Hamas's ability to fire rockets at southern Israeli towns also had been severely limited.

Olmert also cited what he described as internationally-backed understandings with Egypt, the Gaza Strip's southern neighbor, on preventing Hamas, which has smuggled in rockets through tunnels under the border, from rearming.

After 22 days of war that has killed hundreds of civilians, many of Gaza's 1.5 million people are desperate for a respite.

But Hamas officials said that until Israeli forces withdrew from the territory and agreed to end a long blockade that has crippled Gaza's economy, they would not hold their fire.

"A unilateral ceasefire does not mean ending the aggression and ending the siege," spokesman Fawzi Barhoum said. "These constitute acts of war so this won't mean an end to resistance."

But Olmert said the troops would remain in place and hit back if the Palestinians tried to fight on: "If our enemies decide the blows they've been dealt are not sufficient and they are interested in continuing the fight, Israel will be prepared for such and feel free to continue to react with force."

U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon hailed the ceasefire but also urged Israel to pull out its forces from Gaza rapidly.

EGYPTIAN DIPLOMACY

Olmert said the ceasefire plan responded to an appeal from Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, who has been at the spearhead of international diplomatic efforts to end the conflict.

But Olmert, who will be stepping down soon after a February 10 election, Israel chose to shun a negotiated accord with Hamas and to simply hold its fire, denying the Islamists, who are committed to the destruction of the Jewish state, the deal they sought on easing Israel's punitive blockade on the territory.

Hamas's Barhoum called it "an attempt to pre-empt the Egyptian efforts ... that seek to achieve a withdrawal of the occupying forces, an end to the siege and a ceasefire."

Olmert indicated he expected an end to combat: "The campaign has proven Israel's power and strengthened its deterrence."

He also said he would work with Mubarak to tighten security on Gaza's Egyptian border -- a key goal of Israel which wants to prevent Hamas rearming through smuggling tunnels.

Despite the lack of any clear deal at this stage, Mubarak invited a pack of European leaders to a short-notice summit on Sunday that is meant to come up with ways to bolster the truce in Gaza and to ease the plight of the civilian population crammed into the 45-km (28-mile) sliver of coast.

(Writing by Alastair Macdonald; Editing by Dominic Evans)
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Re: Israel plans ceasefire, Hamas vows to fight on
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2009, 05:58:52 PM »
I agree with all of you true patriots ... you'll have captured my heart really!!!

Son-n-law recently came back to Louisiana from his military occupation in Germany
to attend his sister's illness/funeral and while here we briefly discussed some of
his duties ... he being in Military Intelligence and all  ... and he surprisingly told me of the
Russian invasion of Georgia, and I almost choked or rather gagged, but I held my response
while he finished his discourse. I wanted the latest info that is being fed to our troops
in the supposed war on terror and other poisionous manifestations seeping from this
corrupt regime in Washington. To say that what I heard made me any more sad would be
an understatement ... but being a survivor of ?Vietnam ... what the hell!

To those of you fighting the good fight ... you are heros and the rest of us know it. Plan
to go to see our daughter in Europe in April and with some of that good German wine
under the belt this discussion will likely be resumed, but under different circumstancies.
‘Even if you didn’t do it, we don’t want you to do it again’

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Re: Israel plans ceasefire, Hamas vows to fight on
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2009, 06:38:28 PM »
But Olmert, who will be stepping down soon after a February 10 election, Israel chose to shun a negotiated accord with Hamas and to simply hold its fire, denying the Islamists, who are committed to the destruction of the Jewish state, the deal they sought on easing Israel's punitive blockade on the territory.

Always got to throw that claim in every report...but nowadays I think it's far more than Hamas that is committed to the destruction of the Jewish state...or do they mean "Israeli"...after all if it IS a JEWISH state then it is an apartheid state, by definition.
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Re: Israel plans ceasefire, Hamas vows to fight on
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2009, 07:11:49 PM »
I agree with all of you true patriots ... you'll have captured my heart really!!!

Son-n-law recently came back to Louisiana from his military occupation in Germany
to attend his sister's illness/funeral and while here we briefly discussed some of
his duties ... he being in Military Intelligence and all  ... and he surprisingly told me of the
Russian invasion of Georgia, and I almost choked or rather gagged, but I held my response
while he finished his discourse. I wanted the latest info that is being fed to our troops
in the supposed war on terror and other poisonous manifestations seeping from this
corrupt regime in Washington. To say that what I heard made me any more sad would be
an understatement ... but being a survivor of ?Vietnam ... what the hell!

To those of you fighting the good fight ... you are heroes and the rest of us know it. Plan
to go to see our daughter in Europe in April and with some of that good German wine
under the belt this discussion will likely be resumed, but under different circumstances.

It is sincerely hoped that you will enjoy your trip to Germany, Judson. And so you will, it's
a great place to visit. The people are generally friendly and helpful. I may also not be the
cheapest place, but, the service is usually professional. (I visit about every three years,
if I can.)

However, behind the civilized facade, Germany has suffered immensely from the lies and
adverse propaganda stemming from the defeat 60 years ago. It should also be noted again
that Germany, in essence, still is an occupied country and freedom of expression is largely
verboten. It is easy to understand that the members of the occupation forces have been
indoctrinated to comply with their country's policies.

The average German however, in spite of their controlled media, is quite aware of the true
circumstances regarding Georgia, and for that matter, elsewhere. One must not forget that
there were knowledgeable grandparents who were able to educate their children, and they
passed it on to theirs.

P.S: The beer is great too!  :)
 
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Re: Israel plans ceasefire, Hamas vows to fight on
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2009, 07:23:53 PM »
...after all if it IS a JEWISH state then it is an apartheid state, by definition.

Whatever it is, it ain't stately, nor is it civilized.  ::)
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Re: Israel plans ceasefire, Hamas vows to fight on
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2009, 09:53:36 PM »
Thanks for your kind wishes Sushi ... hopefully this trip will not be
another episode in the annuals of the so-called warriors of today
who might claim that they have made America safe from terror.

I find myself disliking police authority more and more and that is
discomforting if not outright unpatriotic. But that, as it may be is
not the chief concern right now .... in my mind and likely other
minds as well, Israel is commiting mass murder, all with American-
supplied weapons, and the evangelical christians are praising each
other and offering thanks to Jesus Christ, their supposed Savior.
As Condi was recently deposed publically before the UN vote, I feel
ashamed and expendable much like she must have felt after Bush
pulled her from voting for her own resolution on Gaza. But the lawful
authorities are only performing duties in jobs in which they make a living
in order to feed their families ... how can good possibly have any
grievance against that ...

Anyway I will think of your words while going to Germany in early April ...
wish me luck and that is enough ...
‘Even if you didn’t do it, we don’t want you to do it again’

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Re: Israel plans ceasefire, Hamas vows to fight on
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2009, 10:12:15 PM »

Good luck, old Friend... have fun. [*big smile and a warm hug*]
"At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is "not done".
...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with.