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Message from USS LIBERTY Survivor to Israel
« on: January 14, 2009, 06:50:43 PM »
ISRAEL`“PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE
January 14, 2009 `” crescentandcross

Things are very tense in the Middle East and as a survivor of Israel`s attack on the USS Liberty 41 years ago. I am convinced that the truth about what happened to us can change the world and change what people believe about `poor old Israel`, as the Liberty story is the straw that will break the back of the Zionist Government murderers. Americans will not stand with Israel when the Liberty truth is told, and it is our duty to get this done now!

Each day that goes by I feel guilty over the deaths of the innocent men, women and children of the Middle East and I will not live with that. If I must stay on the computer 24 7 I will. If I must be on the networks I will. If I must beg my country to not allow any more murder of innocent Palestinians I will. If I must give my possessions, my money, my life, whatever, I will honor the Constitution of the Untied States of America, just as I swore to do over 40 years ago.  I have been lucky enough to be born in this I promised land. We are the `PATRIOTS` of our time we must bring back the reason and honesty our forefathers gave us. If not, we will not see the smiling faces of innocent, loving children ever again in this country. PATRIOTS must rise up NOW and demand life, demand dignity to all persons without the Zionist threat of destruction of all mankind.

We will not be blackmailed by you, ISRAEL, not one more second. We know that you are all about world domination, and that`s not going to happen. America is too strong and we are smart and despite the fact there are still some dummies out there who support you the list is getting shorter by the minute.

Get the hell out of our country and get out now`¦Take your whores, your drugs and your movie producers, and your homosexuals with you when you leave. Have your orgies in Israel and leave the rest of the world alone. It wont take long as your filthy life style will seal you murdering fate.

Go Gods chosen people spend your days in blisters and bliss!!

This USS Liberty Survivor, Phillip F Tourney, is very proud to out you Murdering bastards of my innocent American brothers. I guess the hit is on me again, with your murdering assassins, that`s fine I will be waiting for you.

Now you will have to murder the rest of the USS Liberty Survivors and their supporters that`s not a problem for you guys, it was a case of mistaken Indenty one more time, but guess what?  The murders you are going to do this time, the American public will not stand for it. That means your busted, remember we have people looking for your Israeli assassin`s, or who ever you chose to murder us all over again.

 

Phillip F Tourney.

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Re: Message from USS LIBERTY Survivor to Israel
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2009, 08:35:59 AM »

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Re: Message from USS LIBERTY Survivor to Israel
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2009, 06:44:44 PM »

Dammit, I love that man

Keep fighting, Phil. Be stronger by the day


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Re: Message from USS LIBERTY Survivor to Israel
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2009, 06:51:13 PM »
Trial in AIPAC case set for April 21

January 15, 2009

WASHINGTON (JTA) -- A new trial date has been set in the classified information case against two former AIPAC staffers.

Judge T.S. Ellis III of the U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Va. on Wednesday set April 21 for the trial of Steve Rosen, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee's former foreign policy chief, and Keith Weissman, AIPAC's former Iran analyst.

The government contends that Weissman and Rosen obtained classified information from a Pentagon official and relayed to colleagues, journalists and Israeli diplomats.

The case came to light in August 2004 when AIPAC's offices were first raided; Rosen and Weissman were indicted a year later, and since then at least six trial dates have been set and canceled. Disputes over the admissibility of classified evidence have slowed the pre-trial phase.

The new date may not stand; Constitutional questions surrounding the 1917 statute at the center of the case, criminalizing the receipt and distribution of classified information by civilians, are under consideration in the 4th Circuit Appeals Court in Richmond, Va. A decision by the court could further delay a trial.

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Re: Message from USS LIBERTY Survivor to Israel
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2009, 07:47:26 PM »

What a joke. These worms will wiggle their way out of anything


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Re: Message from USS LIBERTY Survivor to Israel
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2009, 07:52:24 PM »
good article.

read this

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/December_2008/0812067.html

What does the USS Liberty have to do with anything that's happening in the world today?


The incident was the result of mistaken identity, pure and simple.

http://www.thelibertyincident.com

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Re: Message from USS LIBERTY Survivor to Israel
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2009, 05:14:01 AM »
USS LIBERTY Has EVERYTHING to do with Israel today

And Radio transcripts, recently released and in Hebrew, Prove without a doubt, that the Israeli Pilots Identified the Ship AS American, before attacking it.

They also attacked it, after having covered their Star of David, on their Planes. So the planes were unmarked and therefore not easily identified.

Can someone Ban this Bagel Nazi..Gelignite please.
Enough is enough.
He's probably late for his Circumcision- Bar Mitzveh anyway.

Its tiring to refute their BS and part of their M.O.
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Re: Message from USS LIBERTY Survivor to Israel
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2009, 05:18:40 AM »
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:Unf-wI3LBuwJ:www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/printedition/tuesday/chi-liberty_tuesoct02,0,3737033,full.story+uss+liberty+radio+transcripts&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Chicago TRIBUNE SPECIAL REPORT: THE STRIKE ON THE USS LIBERTY



New revelations in attack on American spy ship
Veterans, documents suggest U.S., Israel didn't tell full story of deadly '67 incident

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By John Crewdson | Tribune senior correspondent
October 2, 2007

Nor, Forslund said, was he the only member of his unit to have read the transcripts. "Everybody saw these," said Forslund, now retired after 26 years in the military.

Forslund's recollections are supported by those of two other Air Force intelligence specialists, working in widely separate locations, who say they also saw the transcripts of the attacking Israeli pilots' communications.

One is James Gotcher, now an attorney in California, who was then serving with the Air Force Security Service's 6924th Security Squadron, an adjunct of the NSA, at Son Tra, Vietnam.

"It was clear that the Israeli aircraft were being vectored directly at USS Liberty," Gotcher recalled in an e-mail. "Later, around the time Liberty got off a distress call, the controllers seemed to panic and urged the aircraft to 'complete the job' and get out of there."

Six thousand miles from Omaha, on the Mediterranean island of Crete, Air Force Capt. Richard Block was commanding an intelligence wing of more than 100 analysts and cryptologists monitoring Middle Eastern communications.

The transcripts Block remembered seeing "were teletypes, way beyond Top Secret. Some of the pilots did not want to attack," Block said. "The pilots said, 'This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?'

"And ground control came back and said, 'Yes, follow orders.'"
Gotcher and Forslund agreed with Block that the Jerusalem Post transcript was not at all like what they remember reading.



1:56 p.m. Two Israeli Mirage III aircraft, followed by two Super Mystere aircraft, begin their attack on the Liberty.
2:14 p.m. The chief Israeli air controller in Tel Aviv tells the controller who is directing the attack on the Liberty that the ship is "apparently American."
2:20 p.m. The Israeli naval commander orders the commander of the Torpedo Boat Division to attack the Liberty.
2:24 p.m. Liberty sights three MTBs 4-5 miles away and closing fast.
2:26 p.m. Liberty raises its largest American flag, the "Holiday colors."
2:27 p.m. Three torpedo boats begin strafing the Liberty and launch their six torpedoes.
2:28 p.m. Five torpedoes miss the ship, but one strikes the Liberty's right side, leaving a 39-foot hole.
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Re: Message from USS LIBERTY Survivor to Israel
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2009, 07:08:15 AM »
...Radio transcripts, recently released and in Hebrew, Prove without a doubt, that the Israeli Pilots Identified the Ship AS American, before attacking it.

That's a lie.

In fact, the radio transctipts prove that the Israeli pilots didn't know the ship was American and were ordered by their controllers to break off the attack when they started reading English charaters off the hull.

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They also attacked it, after having covered their Star of David, on their Planes. So the planes were unmarked and therefore not easily identified.

The planes weren't "unmarked". The crew of the Liberty was ducking for cover when the planes flew low and fast over their heads. In any case, the Israeli boats (and, subsequently, the rescue helo), were certainly marked with the Star of David, as the testified by the crew of the ship.

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Can someone Ban this Bagel Nazi...

That ain't gonna happen.


Deal.
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Re: Message from USS LIBERTY Survivor to Israel
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2009, 07:20:07 AM »
The transcripts Block remembered seeing...

....Gotcher and Forslund... remember reading...

Right. They "recalled", and they "remembered", but they do not produce these transcripts. Because such transcripts (i.e., of the Israelis being ordered to attack the American ship) simply do not exist.

On the other hand, the actual transcripts of communications between the attacking pilots and their controllers have been published:

http://www.thelibertyincident.com/book.html

And they indicate that the Israeli pilots were unaware that the ship was American, and, in fact, were ordered by their controllers to break off the attack when they noticed the English characters on the hull.

These written transcripts dovetail into the actual recordings that were released by the NSA under F.O.I.A. (in a suit filed by the author of the book).


Forslund, Gotcher, et al, didn't come out of the woodwork until many years after the incident. So their rememberances (recollections, whathaveyou) carry little weight.


And that's just the way it is.
I'm quite certain that you honestly believe in the purposes of your advocacy... And I am definitely opposed to banishment ~ your mere presence is a testimony to the value of this forum... Your absence would suggest that we are wasting our time here...

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Re: Message from USS LIBERTY Survivor to Israel
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2009, 07:21:40 AM »
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'Evidence that the attack was deliberate is overwhelming and continues to accumulate. In the past several months alone, three Air Force intelligence analysts have come forward to report that they saw transcripts of Israeli pilots being ordered by their controllers to attack what everyone knew to be an American ship. Others verify their accounts. Two of those men have signed sworn affidavits that are published on the Web site , and others have provided statements to the press. Yet a determined cadre of Israel-firsters continue to deny the facts.'


USS Liberty Israeli Denial - Israeli Pilot Speaks Up
  
From: Ian Henshaw
  
A few days ago came the latest Israeli attempt to deny that allegations that the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty during the Seven Days War in 1967 was a cold blooded murder designed to trigger a US attack on Egypt.
  
The Israeli story has always been that they mistook a modern US surveillance ship flying then US flag for an Egyptian boat, not once but in multiple attacks. This excuse is not credible, as the recent BBC documentary showed. The film screened by BBC 2 in June 2003 had a US radio intercept officer recounting on camera that he heard the Israeli pilots twice warn their base that the ship was American.
  
They had a US commander state that US planes were on their way to Cairo in retalliation with a nuclear payload, and that, as the news unexpectedly leaked out that the ship had been destroyed by Israel, Johnson and McNamara had to personally abort the operation. It was even suggested that the White House had planned the operation with Israel, sending the ship undefended a few miles off the Gaza coastline. Now this version is confirmed from the following leak from the Israeli side. Ian Henshall, publisher www.911dossier.co.uk, www.dumpblair.co.uk
  
Israeli Pilot Speaks Up
Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested.
  
Later, a dual-citizen Israeli major told survivors that he was in an Israeli war room where he heard that pilot's radio report. The attacking pilots and everyone in the Israeli war room knew that they were attacking an American ship, the major said. He recanted the statement only after he received threatening phone calls from Israel.
  
The pilot's protests also were heard by radio monitors in the U.S. Embassy in Lebanon. Then-U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon Dwight Porter has confirmed this. Porter told his story to syndicated columnists Rowland Evans and Robert Novak and offered to submit to further questioning by authorities. Unfortunately, no one in the U.S. government has any interest in hearing these first-person accounts of Israeli treachery.
  
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0693/9306019.htm

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Re: Message from USS LIBERTY Survivor to Israel
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2009, 07:28:46 AM »
Israeli Pilot Speaks Up
Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested.

There was no such Israeli pilot. The story has long-since been thoroughly discredited.

Turns out the guy was a criminal who was looking to make a deal for time served. Even the Liberty Veterans Accociation is skeptical regarding this story.


Give it up Walt. You're clearly out of your depth here.
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Re: Message from USS LIBERTY Survivor to Israel
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2009, 07:41:08 AM »
Late for your Synagogue of Satan Meeting again, or just another Sayanim playing the diversion & gathering game?

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Secretary of State Dean Rusk and heads of all the intelligence agencies have called the attack deliberate.
The pilot's protests also were heard by radio monitors in the U.S. Embassy in Lebanon. Then-U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon Dwight Porter has confirmed this. Porter told his story to syndicated columnists Rowland Evans and Robert Novak and offered to submit to further questioning by authorities. Unfortunately, no one in the U.S. government has any interest in hearing these first-person accounts of Israeli treachery.
 
Key members of the Lyndon Johnson administration have long agreed that this attack was no accident. Perhaps most outspoken is former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Thomas Moorer. "I can never accept the claim that this was a mistaken attack, " he insists. Former Secretary of State Dean Rusk is equally outspoken, calling the attack deliberate in press and radio interviews. Similarly strong language comes from top leaders of the Central Intelligence Agency, National Security Agency (some of whose personnel were among the victims), National Security Council, and from presidential advisers such as Clark Clifford, ` Califano and Lucius Battle.
 
A top-secret analysis of Israel's excuse conducted by the Department of State found Israel's story to be untrue. Yet Israel and its defenders continue to stand by their claim that the attack was a "tragic accident" in which Israel mistook the most modern electronic surveillance vessel in the world for a rusted-out 40-year-old Egyptian horse transport. Despite the evidence, no U.S. administration has never found the courage to defy the Israeli lobby publicly demanding a
proper accounting from Israel.


The radio jamming is by itself damning evidence that the assailants knew exactly whom they were attacking. Such jamming requires intimate advance knowledge of the target being jammed, obtained by extended monitoring of its signals. And this was selective jamming; it struck Liberty's frequencies and no others.
 
Afterward, in one of their ever changing explanations, the Israelis claimed to have learned the ship's identity when they heard its distress signals. But the attack continued for sixty six minutes after the first distress signal, which the Israelis had jammed, was sent. Had this particular Israeli claim been true, they would have recalled the torpedo boats before they even reached the ship.

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In nine hours of close surveillance Israeli pilots had circled the ship 13 times on eight different occasions. They could easily see the American flag and its clear markings. Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, who spoke at a July 23 book-signing for Bamford`s Body of Secrets held at the Army Navy Club in Washington, DC, was outspoken and skeptical of Israeli claims that pilots thought the ship was an Egyptian vessel. Admiral Moorer described the Liberty as `the ugliest, strangest looking ship in the U.S. Navy. As a communications intelligence ship, it was sprouting every kind of antenna. It looked like a lobster,` he noted. `Israel knew perfectly well that the ship was American.`
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Re: Message from USS LIBERTY Survivor to Israel
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2009, 07:51:40 AM »
Who says the Liberty attack was Deliberate?

Admiral Isaac C. Kidd, President of the Navy Court of Inquiry: According to Kidd's legal counsel, Captain Ward Boston, USN, Kidd discussed with him his belief that the attackers were aware they were attacking an American ship. The Court ruled otherwise because they were so directed by Washington. (Navy Times, 6/26/2002)

Captain Ward Boston, legal counsel to the Navy Court of Inquiry. I feel the Israelis knew what they were doing. They knew they were shooting at a U.S. Navy ship. (Navy Times, 6/26/2002)

George Christian, Press Secretary to President Lyndon Johnson. No one in the White House believed that the attack was an accident. Letter to James Ennes, 1978.

Dean Rusk, US Secretary of State. Accidents don't occur through repeated attacks by surface vessels and aircraft. It obviously was a decision made pretty high up on the Israeli side, because it involved combined forces. The ship was flying an American flag. My judgment was that somewhere along the line some fairly senior official gave the go ahead. I personally did not accept the Israeli explanation. (Recorded interview, www.ussliberty.org)

Rear Admiral (then captain) Merlin Staring, Staff Legal Office for Commander in Chief US Naval Forces Europe and later Chief Judge Advocate General of the Navy. After reviewing the Court of Inquiry, he concluded that the evidence did not support the findings that the attack was an accident and declined to recommend that his Commander sign and forward it to Washington. (Statement to Navy Times, 3 June 2002 and elsewhere)

Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, former Chief of Naval Operations and former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff. I have never believed that the attack on the USS Liberty was a case of mistaken identity. That is ridiculous. Israel knew perfectly well that the ship was America. (Americans for Middle East Understanding, June 8, 1997)

Richard Helms, former director, Central Intelligence Agency. It was no accident. (Navy Times, 6/26/2002) Asked to say more, Helms remarked that he did not want to spend the rest of his life testifying in court about the attack. (A Look Over My Shoulder by Richard Helms)

Rufus Taylor, Admiral, Deputy CIA director, told Helms, To me, the picture thus far presents the distinct possibility that the Israelis knew that Liberty might be their target and attacked anyway. (A Look Over My Shoulder by Richard Helms)

John Morrison, Major General, US Air Force, Deputy Chief NSA Operations during the attack and later Chief of NSA Operations. ....did not buy the Israeli `˜mistake' explanations either. Nobody believes that explanation. When informed by author Bamford of gruesome war crime (killing of large numbers of POWs) at nearby El Arish, Morrison saw the connection. That would be enough, he said. They wouldn't want us in on that. You've got the motive. What a hell of a thing to do. (Body of Secrets by James Bamford, p233).

Oliver Kirby, former deputy director of operations/production, National Security Agency. I can tell you for an absolute certainty that they knew they were attacking an American ship. Kirby participated in NSA's investigation of the attack and reviewed translations of intercepted communications between pilots and their headquarters which he reports show conclusively that they knew their target was an American ship. Kirby is considered the Godfather of the USS Liberty and USS Pueblo intercept programs. (Telephone interviews with James Ennes and David Walsh for Friendless Fire, Proceedings, June 2003)

William Odom, former director, National Security Agency, reported that on the strength of intercept transcripts of pilots conversation during the attack, the question of the attack's deliberateness just wasn't a disputed issue within the agency. (Interview with David Walsh on March 3, 2003, reported in Naval Institute Proceedings, June, 2003)

Bobby Ray Inman, Admiral, USN, Director National Security Agency 1977-1981. Inman said he flatly rejected the Cristol thesis that the attack was an accident. It is just exceedingly difficult to believe that [USS Liberty] was not correctly identified based on his talks with NSA seniors at the time having direct knowledge of intercepted communications. No NSA official could be found who dissented from the "deliberate" conclusion. (Proceedings, June, 2003)

Captain William L. McGonagle, Commanding Officer, USS Liberty. USS Liberty is the only US Navy ship attacked by a foreign nation, involving large loss of life...that has never been accorded a full Congressional hearing.

George Ball, former under secretary of state. The Liberty's presence and function were well known to Israel's leaders. ...Israel's leaders concluded that nothing they might do would offend the Americans to the point of reprisal. If American leaders did not have the courage to punish Israel for the blatant murder of American citizens, it seemed clear that their American friends would let them get away with almost anything. (The Passionate Attachment: America's Involvement with Israel, pages 57-58.

Clark Clifford, Secretary of Defense under Lyndon Johnson. Inconceivable that it was an accident -- 3 strafing passes, 3 torpedo boats. Set forth facts. Punish Israelis responsible. (Minutes of NSC Special Committee Meeting, 9 June 1967)

Dr. Louis Tordella, former deputy director, National Security Agency. Believed that the attack was deliberate and that the Israeli government attempted to cover it up. Tordella expressed that view to authors James Ennes and James Bamford and to Congressman George Mahon (D-Texas), and in an internal memorandum for the record. He noted a nice whitewash in the margin of the official Israeli excuse for the attack. (A nice whitewash remark was noted in NSA Gerhard report 1982)

Norman Finkelstein, PhD, author, professor of political science, DePaul University. (In a review of Six Days of War by Michael Oren.) Oren...frequently descends to vulgar propaganda. Deeming the Israeli combined air and naval assault on the USS Liberty ...an accident,' Oren rehashes official Israeli tales and embellishes them with his own whoppers. (Journal of Palestine Studies, Spring, 2003, p85)

Marshal Carter, former director, National Security Agency, in a telephone interview with James Ennes, described the attack as clearly deliberate. Lucius Battle, former presidential advisor, as keynote speaker for 1982 USS Liberty reunion described attack as clearly deliberate.

FBI Officials. FBI officials counter that `˜friendly' spying can be as damaging as spying for enemies, they note, as in 1967 when Israeli jets deliberately attacked the electronic intelligence- gathering ship USS Liberty.... (Washington Times, November 26, 1998)

James Akins, former US Ambassador to Saudi Arabia. How much better if Congress would....call to account those who were involved in spreading lies about the tragedy. (Special Report, The Israeli Attack on the USS Liberty, June 8, 1967, The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, December, 1999)

Victor Ostrovsky, author and former Mossad officer. The attack was deliberate and not an accident. (Telephone conversation with Memo to File, former Congressman Pete McCloskey, October 10, 1991, and several conversations with James Ennes.)

Dwight Porter, former US Ambassador to Lebanon, who saw transcripts of Israeli communications during the attack. It's an American ship! the pilot of an Israeli Mirage fighter-bomber radioed Tel Aviv as he sighted the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967. Israeli headquarters ordered the pilot to carry out his mission, he reports. (Syndicated column Remembering the Liberty by Rowland Evans and Robert Novak, November 6, 1991.)

Sergeev Oleg Korneevitch, retired Colonel, Soviet GRU. The historical event which took place in June 1967 can hardly be called enigmatic and mysterious. ...It is difficult to understand that the Israelis could not identity the USS Liberty, since the ship had a unique antenna and equipment and especially since the Israelis had identified the ship with long term observation. (Translated from a taped interview.)

Walter L. Jacobsen, Lieutenant Commander, US Navy. The government of Israel intentionally attacked the ship. ...The attack was not legally justified. ...(there were) two further violations of international law...the use of unmarked military aircraft (and)...the wanton destruction of life rafts. (Naval Law Review, Vol 36, Winter 1986)

Stephen Green, author. He indicates that the attack was not an accident. (Antelope Valley Press, April 5, 1984)

Paul Findley, author and former Member of Congress 1961-1983. Certain facts are clear. The attack was no accident. The Liberty was assaulted in broad daylight by Israeli forces who knew the ship's identity. ...The public, however, was kept in the dark. Even before the American public learned of the attack, U.S. government officials began to promote an account satisfactory to Israel. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee worked through Congressmen to keep the story under control. The President of the United States, Lyndon B. Johnson, ordered and led a cover-up so thorough that years after he left office the episode is still largely unknown.... (They Dare to Speak Out, by Paul Findley, 1985, page 166)

William F. Buckley, journalist and publisher. Is the Liberty episode being erased from history. So it would seem...What has happened to our prying journalistic corps and our editors, normally so indignant of attempted suppression of the news?...We believe that a joint select committee of Congress should investigate the strange case of the USS Liberty... (National Review, June 27, 1967)

Lloyd M. "Pete" Bucher, US Navy, Commanding Officer USS Pueblo when captured by North Korea in January 1968. The attack on the USS Liberty was planned and there is and was a cover-up. If the very valuable lessons of the Liberty were known, the capture of the USS Pueblo could not have happened . (Telephone conversations with James Ennes and Sepember 6, 2002, with Richard Schmucker)

Donald Neff, author. Nearly everyone who is not affiliated with Israel...and who has seriously looked into the attack believes that it was deliberate. ...The bare facts of the attack rule out any other conclusion. (Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, August, 2002, p29)

Adlai E. Stevenson, former United States Senator. In 1980, Senator Stevenson announced his interest in holding Congressional hearings on the attack. He pointed out that the survivors have been consistent in their accounts of what happened and that the attack was, in his word, premeditated. (William J. Small, United Press International, September 28, 1980)

Ralph Hoppe, Colonel, US Army, retired. Hoppe reports that dozens of intelligence reports soon after the attack described the attack as deliberate including a consensus report which summarized the collective view of the US intelligence community. Soon orders came from Washington to collect and destroy all such reports. Nothing more in official channels described the attack as deliberate. (Aerotech News and Review, March 2, 2001, by John Borne, PhD, and conversations with James Ennes)

Andrew and Leslie Cockburn, authors. It is clear that the Israelis knew that they were attacking a vessel of the US Navy, especially as it was flying a large Stars and Stripes at the time. The fact that they spent six hours reconnoitering and executing the attack, which included machine-gunning the lifeboats, attest to the deadly intent of the operation. (Dangerous Liaison, the Inside Story of the US-Israeli Covert Relationship, by Andrew and Leslie Cockburn, p152.)

Professor Hayden Peake, author, former CIA officer and member, Association of Former Intelligence Officers. ...A. Jay Cristol's virtual minority of one assessment is not supported by the detailed non-technical common sense evidence to the contrary in Body of Secrets" (by James Bamford). There is nothing surprising in Bamford's conclusion that the attack was deliberate. Liberty survivors have made that case convincingly for years. (The Intelligencer, Vol. 12, No.1, Summer 2001)

Ahron Bregman, PhD, author. Book reviews transcripts of communications during the attack which establish that the attack was deliberate. (Israel's Wars, 1947-1993, by Ahron Bregman)

USS Liberty Survivors.
Survivors of the attack are unanimous in their conviction that the attack was deliberate. Among other things, their belief is based upon the intense pre-attack reconnaissance, the fact that the firing continued from close range long after the attackers examined the ship and its markings from a few feet away, and because the Israeli version of events as reported to the United States is grossly untrue.

Carl Salans, State Department Legal Advisor and author of highly critical detailed analysis of the Israeli excuse. In telephone interview from his home in France, Mr. Salans described the attack as deliberate.

Walter Deeley, NSA department head. Conducted still-classified investigation of the attack. Remarked later in telephone interview that he regards the attack as deliberate.

Charles Tiffany, Richard Block and Ron Gotcher are among several Air Force intelligence analysts who have come forward to report that they saw real-time transcripts of communications from the attacking forces which show clearly that they were aware they were attacking an American ship. Others who saw these transcripts include Dwight Porter and Oliver Kirby, mentioned above, and several top offiicials of the American intelligence community.

John Borne, PhD, adjunct professor of history, NY University. Published doctoral thesis establishing that the attack was deliberate.
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Re: Message from USS LIBERTY Survivor to Israel
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2009, 12:50:24 PM »
Why bother will the Jew...but even I was surprised he was trying to deny the Jews tried to murder all hands and blame Arabs.  It's just what Jews do though.

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Re: Message from USS LIBERTY Survivor to Israel
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2009, 01:00:24 PM »
Why bother will the Jew...but even I was surprised he was trying to deny the Jews tried to murder all hands and blame Arabs.  It's just what Jews do though.

It looks like jelly has found something else, some where else, to occupy himself with.

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Re: Message from USS LIBERTY Survivor to Israel
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2009, 07:55:35 AM »
Who says the Liberty attack was Deliberate?

Admiral Isaac C. Kidd, President of the Navy Court of Inquiry: According to Kidd's legal counsel, Captain Ward Boston, USN, Kidd discussed with him his belief that the attackers were aware they were attacking an American ship. The Court ruled otherwise because they were so directed by Washington. (Navy Times, 6/26/2002)


Kidd himself has reiterated the findings of the Navy Court.

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Ahron Bregman, PhD, author. Book reviews transcripts of communications during the attack which establish that the attack was deliberate. (Israel's Wars, 1947-1993, by Ahron Bregman)

Funny you posted this. Bregman's transcripts actually reveal that the Israeli pilots didn't know it was an American ship.


Next time, try actually reading/researching the things you cut and paste.


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Re: Message from USS LIBERTY Survivor to Israel
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2009, 08:36:00 AM »
Go Away, you Scat Obsessed Mongol Khazar..


Israeli Pilots AFTER the attack.... did 'damage control' and covered their tracks by  pleading stupid about the ships identity....this was POST attack

Prior to the Attack, the transcripts PROVE They KNEW it was American. They ID'd the Ship AS AMERICAn

Kidd has done no such thing..

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'Both Adm. Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack, which killed 34 American sailors and injured 172 others, was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew. '

'I have firsthand knowledge from many personal conversations with Admiral Kidd that President Lyndon Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara personally ordered him to cover up the true facts and conclude the attack was a case of mistaken identity despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."
-Capt. Ward Boston, the senior legal counsel for the Navy's Court of Inquiry

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I recall Admiral Kidd repeatedly referring to the Israeli forces responsible for the attack as `murderous bastards.`
--Capt. Ward Boston, the senior legal counsel for the Navy's Court of Inquiry

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Admiral Kidd told me, after returning from Washington, D.C. that he had been ordered to sit down with two civilians from either the White House or the Defense Department, and rewrite portions of the court`s findings.

Admiral Kidd also told me that he had been ordered to `put the lid` on everything having to do with the attack on USS Liberty. We were never to speak of it and we were to caution everyone else involved that they could never speak of it again.
---Capt. Ward Boston, the senior legal counsel for the Navy's Court of Inquiry

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Re: Message from USS LIBERTY Survivor to Israel
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2009, 09:02:31 AM »
Israeli Pilots AFTER the attack.... did 'damage control' and covered their tracks by  pleading stupid about the ships identity....this was POST attack...

According to transcripts of UHF radio communications between the Israeli pilots and their air controllers, they broke off because, among other things, it became evident that the ship below them was not behaving in the manner expected of an enemy vessel. They also reported seeing roman (rather than arabic) characters on the hull. Upon hearing this, the controllers ordered the aircraft to "leave her".

Of course, the pilots broke off the attack immediately.


This is all contained in the Bregman transcripts that you yourself cited in an earlier post.

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Kidd himself has reiterated the findings of the Navy Court.

Kidd has done no such thing..

Yes, he has [emphasis added]...

[...

Baltimore Evening Sun
September 26, 1982

The Liberty case: After 15 years, questions linger
By Thomas Hasler

The admiral said what particularly "piqued my curiosity and interest" was the
absence from the record of certain ship's logs. Missing from the record are the
deck log, the quartermaster's notebook and the weather log.

Nonetheless Admiral Kidd declared emphatically that there was "no hard U.S.
evidence ... absolutely nothing to support the conclusion that the attack was
intentional."
He declined to elaborate.

...]

That's a direct quote from Admital Kidd, in case you hadn't noticed.

There's more...

[...

Los Angeles Times
November 23, 1984

Dispute is Revived Over Israeli Attack That Killed 34 on U.S. Navy Ship
By David Smyth, Associated Press

These [LVA] complaints were mentioned to Adm. Isaac C. Kidd, who conducted the
Court of Inquiry.

Nothing New

"There's nothing new about that," Kidd said of the charges.  "I know some
people were unhappy about the inquiry.  Every witness had his viewpoint of one
particular aspect of the incident, which he thinks is important `” but he did
not see the complete picture."


...]


That's another quote directly from Kidd.

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Capt. Ward Boston...

Boston didn't make any of his allegations (as to what Kidd supposedly said) until well-after Kidd's passing.

But here we see Kidd's actual words.


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Re: Message from USS LIBERTY Survivor to Israel
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2009, 09:19:04 AM »
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'Admiral Kidd told me, after returning from Washington, D.C. that he had been ordered to sit down with two civilians from either the White House or the Defense Department, and rewrite portions of the court`s findings.

Admiral Kidd also told me that he had been ordered to `put the lid` on everything having to do with the attack on USS Liberty. We were never to speak of it and we were to caution everyone else involved that they could never speak of it again.

I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of that statement as I know that the Court of Inquiry transcript that has been released to the public is not the same one that I certified and sent off to Washington.'

-Ward Boston, Jr., Captain, JAGC, USN (Ret.)
Senior Counsel to the USS Liberty Court of Inquiry at Coronado California
Dated: January 9, 2004

Notice the date, Bagel Nazi...its alot later than 1982

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